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Congressman Jim Jordan - November 17th, Hour 2
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So Jim Jordan, James Comer, all come out guns blazing.
You know, for all this time, the FBI has had access to Hunter Biden's laptop.
We know that he's being paid all of this money using his father's influence for, look at the case of Ukraine.
He makes millions of dollars and he goes on GMA.
Do you have any experience in oil?
No.
Any experience in gas?
No.
Any experience in energy?
No.
Any experience with Ukraine?
No.
Why did they pay you all this money?
I don't know.
I don't.
That was his exact answer.
You know, and of course, Joe bragging, well, I said you're not getting a billion dollars unless you fire the prosecutor that we now know was investigating his son.
Then, of course, you got the money, let's see, from the Russian oligarch, the former first lady of Moscow, $3.5 million for nothing, then $100 million investment for real estate purposes.
And you got China.
You got the $5 million, no interest, forgivable loan.
I'd like a forgivable loan, meaning, okay, you'll forgive it.
I don't have to pay it back.
That's called, where I grew up, that would be called the bribe, but I don't know if you don't pay it back.
That's free money.
You'd have to report that, by the way, to the IRS.
And then, of course, the $1.5 billion deal with the Bank of China.
Anyway, all of this and so much more.
Then you got the FBI.
Then you got the abuse of power.
Then you got the whistleblowers that are saying in no uncertain terms the FBI has been politicized and the DOJ has been weaponized.
Here's Jim Jordan, Congressman Ohio from earlier today.
Let me never forget what happened on October 19th, 2020, 15 days before the most important election we have in our country.
Who's going to be the next president of the United States?
15 days before that, Mr. Brennan, Mr. Clapper, and 49 other people signed a letter that said the following.
It is for these reasons that we write to say that the arrival on the U.S. political scene of emails, purportedly belonging to Vice President Biden's son, Hunter, has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.
They further went on to say, we want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails provided to the New York Post are genuine or not, just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case.
And of course, that letter became the pretext for suppressing this story again, just days before the most important election we have in our country.
So I would ask this, was J.P. Morgan's suspicious activity report to the Treasury Department, was that just a classic earmark of a Russian information operation?
How about when Hunter Biden sent the email that Mr. Comer pointed to?
Sent the email asking for keys to his new office space, one for himself, one for President Biden, one for his uncle Jim Biden, and one for the emissary for the chairman of the Chinese energy company, CFCC.
Was that just Russian disinformation operation in place?
What part of Mr. Comer's presentation prompted the FBI to go to Facebook and say, hey, hey, hey, you want to be on the lookout for Russian misinformation here this election season?
What part of his presentation would prompt that?
And I think it's also important to understand, never forget how this story has changed.
I mean, think about this.
When it started off, it was, no, it's not his laptop.
It's not his laptop.
Then it was, well, it's his laptop, but remember, it's Russian disinformation and no one did anything wrong.
Then it was, well, maybe he did something wrong, but President Biden didn't know about it.
And now it's, well, maybe President Biden knew about it and was involved, but it didn't influence his decisions.
And then we learned as it relates to the Russia collusion hoax, which is what it was.
We learned a lot of things that, oh, in early October of 2016, the FBI went, met with Christopher Steele, the guy that put together the dirty dossier that we now know is debunked, and said, we'll give you a million dollars if you can corroborate it.
And he never got the million dollars, but it still, by the end of the month, became the bulk of information used in the FISA application, a spy on Carter Page, which was a backdoor to the Trump campaign.
And they used it four times thereafter, even after the sub-source, Danchenko himself, told them in January of 2017, prior to the two other FISA applications being submitted, that none of it was true.
So it says at the top of a FISA application verified, all of it not verified.
This investigation is warranted if you believe America needs equal justice and application of our laws.
Anyway, Jim Jordan is with us.
He will be the next chair of the oversight committee.
How are you, sir?
I'm fine, Sean.
Well said.
It is about equal treatment under the law.
That is a hallmark of our country, the greatest country ever.
And if you don't have that, you don't have America.
And so that is exactly why.
It's fundamental.
That is exactly why this investigation is so darn important.
Could you imagine with what we know on the laptop that the FBI had before anybody else, and if it was the last name Trump, where in this laptop, we know that Hunter Biden implicates his father repeatedly.
And I think that's where that's going.
What do you think?
Yeah, no, you're right about the comparison, too.
I mean, can you imagine what the left would have done if any of the Trump family had the same kind of stuff on any type of document, any type of, it can be any type of device, it would have been, I mean, we know what that's like because we've seen it for the last seven years.
They've been non-stop after.
I had a reporter ask me, well, but, you know, the Democrats never really went after Trump's family.
I just looked at them.
Are you kidding me?
They've done it for seven years.
So, yeah, that is, again, unequal treatment under the law.
That is what we've seen.
And so the only way you stop that is you point out you have to show the truth and the facts to the country so they clearly see it.
And hopefully then you can.
And frankly, if we need to pass legislation to change the whole structure of that place, particularly the Washington Field Office, Sean, never forget one of these 14 whistleblowers who come talk to us, FBI agents who come to us as whistleblowers, his statement was the FBI at the highest levels, at the Washington Field Office level, is rotted at its core.
Think about that.
That's what one of these agents are saying.
So that is what this is truly all about.
All right.
So let's talk about, and you're the head of the House Judiciary Committee.
Let's talk about exactly what it is that your committee is going to be investigating.
How long do you think it'll take?
Who are the people that you're looking to talk to?
Well, there's a whole list, but I'll just give you one.
We talked about him on your show last night.
This guy, Timothy Tebalt, because he's come up in different contexts now.
We had a whistleblower tell us that Mr. T-Balt, who was the assistant special agent in charge of the Washington Field Office, displaced that another whistleblower had told us is rotted at its core.
Mr. T-Bolt's the guy who was pressuring agents to categorize and catalog cases as domestic violent extremism cases when in fact they weren't.
So he's pressuring agents to do that.
At the same time, a different whistleblower had went to Senator Grassley instead of Mr. Tebalt, again, the assistant special agent in charge of the Washington Field Office, who was involved in suppressing the information regarding the Hunter Biden story.
And I think the terms that Mr. Grassley used in his report were closing off an avenue of information so that people wouldn't figure out what was going on with the Hunter Biden story.
So I want to talk to this Mr. T-Bolt because he's now left the FBI.
And we've asked him to come in and talk.
And even though he said publicly, oh, I welcome a chance to come talk.
And we've asked him to.
We've sent letters to him and his lawyer says, no, no, no, he's not going to come in.
So I want to talk to that guy because I want to know, was Mr. T-Balt, did he talk to Facebook or did he send someone to talk to Facebook and tell them to suppress this story back in October of 2020, 15 days before the election?
Did he do that?
If not, who did?
Did they go talk to Twitter as well as Facebook?
Did they tell Twitter the same thing?
Because we know Twitter was throttling back information regarding the Hunter Biden story in October of 2020.
So I think those are important questions.
And then, frankly, here's another big question.
Why did the Biden administration change the prototype suspicious activity reports?
Used to be any committee could get access to suspicious activity reports from our Treasury Department until Joe Biden's administration, they said, nope, we're not going to do that.
You can't have access to that.
Go, go figure.
Wonder why they did that.
So these are the kind of questions we have to do.
And there's a whole list of witnesses we have in different school board issue, the political nature of the Justice Department issue on pressuring agents to catalog cases, a whole host of things we're going to have to go through.
So it sounds to me like everything that we suspected is now going to be proven.
When you look at just this particular case involving Hunter Biden and all the money that the Biden family has made and the laptop, and here you have the FBI has had a hold of all of this information and they've done nothing with it.
It makes absolutely zero sense to me, except that we don't have equal justice under the law.
You think that the do you believe based on what we now know publicly about Hunter implicating his home father, about pictures with Hunter, his foreign business associates and his father, dates of meetings with Hunter, his father and foreign business associates, and then, of course, the amount of money from places like China and Kazakhstan and Ukraine and Russia.
Do you think there's enough evidence that would prove that, in fact, this is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, influence peddling scandal potentially in our country's history?
Well, I mean, it sure looks that way because, you know, we're supposed to believe Hunter Biden is an expert on energy.
He's an expert on healthcare.
He's an expert on gaming.
He's an ex all these different enterprises he was involved in.
So he's an expert in all this and making all kinds of money, and he's making it from places around the world and in countries that are our adversaries.
We're supposed to believe all that like he's that much of an expert on everything.
And again, now it sure looks like his father, the President Biden, knew about all this.
And again, remember how the story's changed?
When it first came out, it was like, nah, this is not on his laptop.
This is crazy.
This is Russian disinformation.
And now yesterday in Politico, here's what Politico said yesterday.
They said no evidence has publicly emerged that Joe Biden's decisions were affected by his son's business dealings.
So now we've went from, no, it wasn't his thing.
He did nothing wrong.
It's Russian disinformation to this, well, I knew about it.
It was, you know, he may have done something wrong, but it hasn't impacted the president's decision.
Well, that's a big change in your position, for goodness sake.
So it does seem like he understood what was going on and he had full knowledge, even though the president has said he didn't.
All right, quick break.
We'll come back.
He's going to be the new head of the House Judiciary Committee, Jim Jordan.
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Congressman Jim Jordan, great state of Ohio, the Buckeye State.
He will be the head of the House Judiciary Committee.
He will be looking into whether the FBI has been politicized and the DOJ is weaponized and probably get to the bottom of all of this, which we need.
Jim Jordan remains with us.
When the president meets with all these people and we play it against his tape saying he'd never had a conversation with his son about it, and then all the implication by Hunter that his father got the money, isn't this money, aren't these benefits, isn't that all traceable?
Whether his name is mentioned, that he has an office inside the family business, and oh, I have to pay half my salary to dad and put away money for the big guy, and I got to pay for all dad's repairs.
It certainly seems, why would a sitting vice president ever leverage a billion taxpayer dollars and say you're not getting it unless you fire the prosecutor?
That sounds like a quit and a pro and a quo by Joe to me.
Yeah, it sure does.
I thought Representative Comer made a really good point when he said, look, there are, we know of, 150 suspicious acts.
These are banking records that banks have to file with Treasury when they see, as the name would suggest, suspicious activity.
So we've only seen, Mr. Comer has only seen, and the staff on the Oversight Committee has only seen two of them.
So let's look at the other 148.
And once I think that Mr. Comer and his staff get to look at the other 148, we'll be able to answer some of the questions you're raising, Sean.
But think about that, 150 on Hunter Biden, Jim Biden, who knows what else is in there about their transactions.
Because typically those same kind of things, as Mr. Comer pointed out, point to some kind of money laundering or whatever.
We don't know if that's the case, but historically you've been able to see those things until the Biden administration, they say, no, no, no, no, we're not going to allow you committees in Congress to see that information.
So I think that's the key, and that's what Mr. Comer stressed during the press conference earlier today.
Well, if people, you know, the last Congress with Nancy Pelosi, and I'm sure you're very saddened to see her go from a leadership position, is your heart broken?
Well, yeah, she sort of, she has become, I think, the face of the left and all the crazy policies that they've.
Well, this is actually now an interesting question, and you're squirming, so I like it.
Have you ever had conversations with her?
Do you have any relationship at all with her?
I really don't much.
I mean, I've actually talked with Stanny Hoyer.
He's a nice gentleman, and I disagree with his positions in politics, but I don't really talk to Speaker Pelosi much.
Yeah.
All right.
So this is the difference.
This is what the gavel means.
And when that gavel is transferred by Nancy, I assume it's going to be by Nancy Pelosi over to what looks like Kevin McCarthy.
Republicans, by the way, and this is an important question for me and in this audience, you have a small majority.
It is imperative to me that Republicans, number one, keep their commitments to America, follow through on these investigations, keep money in check because you have the power of the purse.
And I just want to know, do you have a good feeling Republicans will stand together?
Because any four or five congressmen now can gum up the works in five seconds.
Yeah, we got to stick together.
And we've proven we can in the minority, which is a little easier, I get, but we've proven we can in the minority.
We got to do that in the majority.
I could not agree more.
And one thing we all need to recognize is whatever differences may exist between more moderate Republicans and conservative Republicans like you and I, Sean, those differences pale, pale in comparison to the differences between Republicans and the crazy left which now control the Democrat Party.
Remember the survey done two months ago?
55% of Democrats do not believe that America is the greatest nation ever.
Think about that.
Every one of your listeners, the millions of people who listen to your CU and your TV show, your radio, they all know, they all know without a shadow of a doubt this is the greatest country in history.
But a majority of one of the major political parties, the Democrat Party, they do not believe that.
So we had better stick together.
If we're going to make sure we get a justice department that does treat Americans equally under the law, and if we're going to protect the principles that make our country the special place that it is.
All right, Jim Jordan, we're looking forward to January.
Can't wait.
And happy Thanksgiving if I don't talk to you before then.
And we appreciate all that you've done and all that you're going to do.
And we really look forward to these investigations.
They are long overdue.
Jim Jordan, anyway, we appreciate it.
An attack against one is an attack against all, which would mean that Poland, if they were attacked by Russia and they were Russian missiles, would warrant then a military response, in my opinion.
Otherwise, how many attacks are you going to let a country make against a fellow NATO country?
And on top of all the chaos, I mean, Europe is going to suffer badly this winter because of the vindictiveness, the evil actions of one guy, Vladimir Putin.
He has shown a propensity to go scorched earth as he is targeting civilians all over Ukraine, targeting apartment buildings, targeting human infrastructure necessary, targeting even getting very close to nuclear facilities, which could be a nuclear fallout disaster.
So he's not shown any heart, soul, or conscience.
All he knows is he's got his territorial ambitions, and I'll be it, he's going for it.
Anyway, Joe was first asked about this, and he refuses to answer the question.
Listen.
Mr. President, can you tell us what he knows so far about the explosion in Poland, sir?
Thanks, President.
Now, okay, so then on Tuesday, Biden comments on this and says, it's unlikely that the missiles fired into Poland came from Russia.
This is what he said.
Mr. President, is you really to say whether this missile was fired from Russia?
There is plenty of information that contests that.
I don't want to say that till we completely investigate.
But it is, it's unlikely in the minds of the trajectory that it was fired from Russia.
But we'll see.
We'll see.
Well, we don't need the trajectory.
We need to know, was it a Russian missile or not?
I mean, it's really that simple.
Now, could it have been an accident?
I don't know.
Then we have the head, the NATO Secretary General, out there saying that the Polish incident was caused by a Ukrainian missile fired against a Russian cruise missile.
Here's what he said.
We have no indication that Russia is preparing offensive military actions against NATO.
Our preliminary analysis suggests that the incident was likely caused by a Ukrainian air defense missile fired to defend Ukrainian territory against Russian cruise missile attacks.
But let me be clear.
This is not Ukraine's fault.
Russia bears ultimate responsibility as it continues its illegal war against Ukraine.
Now, we did have Colonel North on Hannity last night.
He thinks that is a viable possibility.
But there's a part of me that is suspicious only in one sense.
Within hours, both U.S. intelligence people were right at the site of where the strike occurred.
We had other intelligence agencies from other NATO countries at the site where this occurred.
Now, it would be very easy to determine whether or not this was an intentional strike or not by Russia, or whether or not, as they're now telling us, that they believe that the missile that hit Poland was a Ukrainian air defense missile in response to a cruise missile that was fired by Russia.
Is that a possibility?
Absolutely, it's a possibility.
But based on Putin's actions all throughout this conflict, this war, this invasion of a sovereign country, and his indiscriminate bombing of innocent men, women, and children, you have to be suspicious and you have to ask the right questions.
I would really like to see the ballistics.
The ballistics, to me, will give us all of the answers that we're looking for.
Anyway, Rebecca Coffler is with us, a strategic intelligence expert, author of the book, Putin's Playbook.
And anyway, welcome to the program.
Rebecca, how are you?
Great.
How are you, Sean?
I'm good.
Now, what they're saying publicly is plausible, but you've seen the brutality, the indiscriminate bombing of innocent men, women, and children, the targeting of apartment buildings, the targeting of vital infrastructure for life inside of Ukraine.
It would not surprise me if Vladimir Putin wanted to escalate this conflict.
What do you think happened?
Or do you have any sources telling you what happened?
So my unclassified intelligence analysis that I'm going to reveal to you is that it is not Russia that fired that missile.
The missile may be Russian-made, but it's more likely it was fired by Ukraine.
Putin is not crazy.
He's not suicidal.
The one thing that Putin fears is the whole mighty force of U.S. and NATO military.
And he doesn't want to escalate at that level.
Yes, he would escalate targeting Ukraine, but never NATO.
So it is more likely that it is a mistake.
It's basically air defense missile by Ukrainians who are trying to simply defend their territory.
But yet, on the other hand, he is punishing our NATO allies that foolishly decided to give up their own energy independence.
Interestingly, an argument going on in the U.S. right now, one that people like me that believe in energy independence are losing.
And they became dependent on Russia's energy.
And we're now reading reports that people may freeze to death in Western Europe this winter and reading reports that they may end up spending over a third of their annual income just to heat their homes this winter.
So Vladimir Putin has no qualms, compunctions whatsoever in terms of harming Western Europe.
Well, absolutely not.
He has no qualms about anything.
His morals is just not factoring in into his decision calculus.
What he's doing right now, Sean, is he's trying to make Ukraine unlivable.
He's unleashing hell.
40% of the country's energy infrastructure has been crippled.
Multiple industries have incurred devastating cyber attacks.
The Ukrainians don't have water.
They don't have heat.
They don't have electricity.
Kiev is plunging into darkness.
You know, half a million homes have lost power.
And if there's no water, there's no sewage.
If you can't flush the toilet, there's going to be disease.
So that is exactly what Putin is trying to do.
It's part of the new strategy called Strategy of Indirect Action.
I have an unclassified analytic piece published on the Fox News website called What is Putin's Thinking?
Where Russia-Ukraine War Stands Nine Months After Invasion.
And I go through the battlefield, the new strategy, his health, regime stability, and what the future holds.
So this is not going to end anytime soon because, like you said, Putin is unleashing, punishing attacks not only on Kiev and Ukraine, but also non-kinetic asymmetric attacks on Europe by strangling their ability to heat themselves and to survive.
All right, quick break more with Rebecca Kopler on the other side, and then we'll get to your calls and Greg Jerry.
All right, Rebecca Kopler is with us now that these missiles landed in Poland and the NATO response.
Are they going to be ready for such a response if in fact Vladimir Putin goes crazier than he even is today?
So you're convinced that he's willing to go so far but not that far.
He doesn't want to take on NATO.
I think one of the bigger surprises to come out of this conflict is I think had Western Europe given Zelensky and the U.S. given Zelensky the weaponry to win the war from the very get-go, I think this would have been over a long time ago.
And I think, you know, the hesitancy of many countries to go all in and defeat Putin kind of surprised me.
The other thing that surprised me is I thought the Russian military would roll right, you know, right all the way through Ukraine, right to Kyiv, and they'd be in charge by now.
They have shown, the Ukrainian people have shown a remarkable resilience, tremendous courage, but I don't think they've been given the weaponry to actually win the war.
Am I wrong?
You're correct.
But unfortunately, there's no amount of weaponry that we can provide, basically depleting our own arsenal and emptying out our treasury to Ukraine that would make a military path to victory viable, Sean.
And that is simply because the Russians are not just looking at the battlefield and at the weapons.
That's not what wins the war, right?
So Putin is not a Muhammad Ali.
He's not a boxer.
He's not going to deliver a knockout.
But what he is, is he is a mixed martial art artist.
I'll just give you that comparison, right?
And he's going to do what he's trying to do is a rear-naked choke.
He's a judo player.
And so, and if he finds the right moment, he will unbalance the adversary by, and we discussed it on your show many other times, the low-yield tactical nuclear warhead for Zelensky to think about capitulation.
And so, yes, we can keep providing billions and billions of dollars, but it's not going to make Putin stop waging like a low-intensity, low-grade conflict and then eventually turn Ukraine into a frozen conflict.
And by that, he will have achieved peace victory because his definition of victory is different from Zelensky.
What Delansky is trying to do is expel the Russians completely out of Ukraine, including Crimea.
Well, that is mathematically impossible.
What Putin is trying to do is limited goals is denying Ukraine the ability to be part of NATO and ability to be part of the Western sphere.
And that is the ultimate goal.
But he's already been given the assurance that Ukraine is not going to join NATO.
He's got that assurance.
Well, he wants that assurance in writing, and he also wants to keep the territories.
Remember, he wants to keep Crimea, and he wants to keep the four territories that he has annexed.
Zaporizhia, Lugansk, Donetsk, all of those areas, even though technically Ukrainians have reclaimed Kherson, right, which is a strategic city.
But it is my assessment that Putin has set up a trap.
Yes, they have retreated, but you mentioned a minute ago the possibility of radiological, I forgot how you phrased it, but my assessment is that Putin has possibly will use a dirty bomb.
This is the official name is RDD, radiological dispersal device.
This is what Ukrainian intelligence has warned us about.
A dirty bomb or a business.
A dirty bomb or a dirty bomb and a tactical nuke.
These are two different things.
Yes, he can do both, but a dirty bomb is even lower on the escalatory scale.
But even.
I know what the difference is, but he's been threatening a nuclear strike.
He hasn't been threatening to use a dirty bomb.
So, no, he hasn't used this information we got from Ukrainians.
He's not warning about that, but because he likes to do a diversion.
But this is a very, very bad type of weapon.
It has no military value.
The dirty bomb, the RDD is what I'm talking about.
It's basically like what we had in Afghanistan and Iraq, the IEDs.
This is like an improvised nuclear device, if you will.
It has dynamite, but it also laced with radiological powder.
And it causes moderate to severe burns, irradiation, sickness, and all kinds of horrible things with the idea of being to make people suffer so much that they abandon the will to fight and they flee Ukraine as unfortunately they are right now because he's making Kiev unlivable.
All right, we really appreciate the update.
Thank you, Rebecca Kopler.
We'll continue to follow the story over time.
It's getting a little scary out there.
By the way, Greg Jarrett in the next hour, we'll check in with him.
Annity tonight will be doing it from the Patriot Awards dinner.
Probably with a nice crowd.
At least I hope so.
I'm not sure if the dinner is going on at that time or not.
I'll figure that out by game time, 9 p.m. Eastern.
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