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April 18, 2022 - Sean Hannity Show
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Mike Pompeo - April 18th, Hour 2
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All right, hour two, Sean Hannity show toll free on numbers 800 941.
Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, we'll be joined by the former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in just a minute, uh responding obviously to the situation in Ukraine.
We'll talk about Iran, uh, we'll talk about China.
A lot on the table to worry about, North Korea, even.
Um, but President Zelensky, in an interview over the weekend, invited Joe Biden, said Joe Biden should come to Ukraine.
We watched Boris Johnson do it.
Why hasn't Biden, you know, been out there?
He was right next to Ukraine when he was in Poland.
Then Zelensky says something that really caught my attention.
He accused world leaders of empty rhetoric and saying the words never again to genocide.
Senator Steve Daines of Montana was there.
He saw the mass graves, he saw the atrocities, he saw dead men, women and children.
And he's been talking about it.
Nobody seems to pay a whole lot of attention to it.
And then Zelensky says the world needs to worry about Russia using a nuclear weapon, and says he can't give any definitive numbers, as the city of Mariopol is pretty much turned into rubble.
Uh 95% of that city has been bombed to smithereens.
Listen.
Do you want President Biden to come here?
Yes.
Is there are there any plans for him to come?
I think he will.
You think he will?
I think he will.
And I think he but it's no no, I mean it it's his decision, of course, and and about the safety situation.
It depends.
I mean that.
But I think I think he's the leader of the United States, and that that that's why he should come here to see.
When the world says never again, do they ever mean it?
I don't believe the world.
After we we see what's going on in Ukraine.
We do we we I I mean that I don't believe to this feeling that we we should believe to the to the some countries or some leaders, we don't believe the words.
After escalation of Russia, we don't believe our neighbors.
We don't believe all all of this.
Even I don't believe documents, because we also had a Budapest memorandum.
I think you know all all the details of this.
For me, that is just a piece of paper, and and cost nothing.
And and that's it.
So we we just believe contract pragmatic things.
If you are our friends or partners, give us weapon, give us hand, give us support us, give us money, and stop Russia, kick Russia.
You can do it.
The director of the CIA warned that he's worried Putin might use a tactical nuclear weapon in this fight.
Are you worried?
Not only me.
I think we all all all over the world, all the countries have to be worried.
Because uh you you know that it can be not real information, but it but it can be to truth because w when they begin to speak about uh one or another battles or uh involves um enemies or nuclear weapons or chemic some chemical, you know, issues, chemical weapons.
They should do it.
They could do it.
I mean, so they they can.
They for for them life of the people in nothing.
That's why.
We should think not not uh not be afraid.
I mean that not be afraid, be ready.
But uh but that is not the question for to Ukraine, and not only for the Ukraine, for all the uh for all the world.
I think so.
What can be done to help the people of Mariupol?
The situation is very difficult in Mariupol.
Uh Skownam.
It's clear that things won't get better.
With each passing day, it's growing more unstable.
Unfortunately, it is difficult for different reasons.
I will not talk about the cruelty with which the Russian authorities have treated Mariopology, the Russian military.
There are two components.
No one knows how many people died among the civilian population.
If anyone gives you a figure, it would be a total lie.
Hundreds of thousands were evacuated.
All right, joining us now, former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is with us.
You know, the two things that I see the world has fallen short on as it relates to Putin's invasion of Ukraine is one, I think we fell short on getting the weaponry they need to fight and defend their country fast enough, and still we have Western European and NATO allies relying on Russian energy, and why aren't we solving that?
You know, Sean, I I think those are both spot on.
Uh we we we collectively, not just the United States, but the West, the Europeans whose backyard this is in, were slow with weapon systems.
They were they were they were late in delivering actually committed weapon systems, and then the weapon systems they committed to were uh too small and didn't quite meet the needs of what the Ukrainians actually needed to be successful to win, to drive the Russians back uh second today.
Even as we sit here, uh the Europeans are underwriting this horror that we're seeing in Ukraine.
Right, they're buying energy from them.
This is underwriting Vladimir Putin.
It is his lifeline as if it's financial lifeline.
And we we all know this this war gets fought out as much economically as it does on the ground.
And you know, when I watch President Biden say, well, we sanctioned everything we can.
They they left banks unsanctioned, they left major financial institutions unsanctioned.
It wasn't a serious effort to actually drive down the ruble, drive up the cost for the Russians, and make Vladimir Putin make the difficult decision about whether he wanted to fight on in the face of a global economic onslaught on him and his leadership team.
The when I look at the Ukrainians, I think they've shown incredible courage, valor when given the weaponry to to fight back uh an army that is a far outgunning them and outmanning them and do it with great effectiveness.
It's an insurgency battle that's proven it can work.
Uh, but if you look at the the entire country, I mean we have now a city like Mariupol that is in rubble.
Um you see it we uh we had, I guess Senator Danes was there last week, and he saw the mass graves in Busha, and it's devastating.
We hear other reports of 900 is up to nearly a thousand people in a mass grave, and that's including innocent men, women, and children.
What should the American doctrine be here?
Uh I saw that Senator Chris Koons had mentioned from from Maryland that he thought it might be a good idea to put American boots on the ground.
I am dead set against that.
Koshart, you know, it's supposed to be as a president.
Let's give you credit for the 82nd Airborne or the 101st Air Assault, right?
What they've asked for is the tools that they need to continue to put the whoop on the Russians, as they have.
It's been remarkable to watch uh imagine if when the Biden administration had known last fall, when they knew Vladimir Putin was about to undertake precisely the type of activity he's undertaking this aggression.
I'm imagine if they had begun to provide with any missile systems and air defense systems, intelligence systems, all all the things that would have been a cohesive force multiplier for the Ukrainian defense services.
I'm confident they would have even been more successful.
But even today, you watch the Biden administration all hesitate, be slow, hold more meetings.
Uh but the time is now the Vladimir Putin's not going away.
He's going to continue this assault.
We we've seen it with just the last 24 hours of activity inside of Ukraine.
We should continue to provide the Ukrainians the tools they need.
We don't need to send our kids there.
The Europeans should do their part.
And when we do, uh this the the idea, the the idea that says that the United States will do the things it needs to do to help sovereign nations defend themselves when they're prepared to do so, whether that's the Taiwanese or someplace else.
Um those will be things that world leaders across the globe will understand.
They'll see that we're good for our word.
And when we do, uh the risk that we'll have the horrors that we're seeing in Ukraine take place will be reduced elsewhere in the world as well.
You know Vladimir Putin, you've negotiated again with Vladimir Putin.
Do you agree with President Zelensky that the world needs to worry about Russia using nuclear weapons?
Of course.
Vladimir Putin, if threatened, if he feels like his regime is at risk, whether that's from inside or outside, uh, will use the tools of weapons of mass destruction he feels like he needs to do to protect himself.
I I don't think the probability of this is particularly high at this point.
But if we're if we're counting on Vladimir Putin to exercise restraint, I think we have seen evidence that this is a ruthless, nasty thug who is smart enough to know that he uh um as uh watched his military fail.
And if he feels like his regime is about to fall, I am very confident that he will use the tools he feels like he needs to use to defend his continued stay in power, whether that be chemical Weapon systems or even greater terror on civilian populations, or I pray it doesn't come to be nuclear weapons themselves.
All right, quick break.
We'll come back more with former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on the other side, 800-941 Sean, our number.
We'll get to your calls at the bottom of the hour.
We continue with former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
So do you agree with my assessment that the U.S. NATO allies, Western European countries have been slow in getting the necessary military aid to Ukraine and and I think you nailed it.
I mean, it's the intelligence they need, missile defense systems, uh, air defense systems, javelins, stingers, tanks, and I'm not sure why Joe Biden, you know, vetoed the mix that Poland was was offering Zelensky.
I'm not sure exactly why they canceled a delivery of of attack helicopters last week as well.
Um that makes no sense to me because I believe if if the world is able to stop Vladimir Putin and his territorial ambitions in Ukraine, the world is going to be better off in the end, and I don't think most people have the sense of urgency that's needed for a conflict like this with an insurgency resolved army of Zelensky to win.
I mean, they need the equipment, and if they don't get it, they can't win.
Sean, we we've seen this now for months, not just weeks.
I know folks think talk about this uh being six, eight, ten weeks on.
Truth is we could have been providing these tools to them for many, many months.
Uh, frankly, I've watched the Biden administration behave in a way that was reactive, right?
They allowed Vladimir Putin to have the strategic uh the strategic hand and and guide the direction of this.
When he decided he wanted attack in the north, we simply responded there.
Uh we should have done an awful lot more to provide the Ukrainians with the tools that they needed early on.
Uh it's still there's still time, uh, but I still watch the delay.
I can't figure out why.
Those helicopters haven't moved either.
The Biden team talks about the risk of provoking Vladimir Putin.
Um I think we've demonstrated that those kinds of weapon systems, those operational tactical weapons systems aren't going to uh cause Vladimir Putin to behave in a way that is escalatory.
Um he's made his decision about how he wants to fight this war.
We should provide the Ukrainians with tools they need to push back against it.
They've they've shown not only resolve and bravery, but really good tactical capabilities as well to do just that.
They they need these weapons, they need uh additional ammunition, and we talk about the nature, but there's something that is really important about the volume of the weapon systems we provide to them.
We should do it.
Uh we can afford to do it.
Uh they're willing to pay for these things.
We ought to get them to them just as quickly as we can.
The time is upon us, Sean.
You recently found it important enough to go over to Taiwan, and I think we all know the President Shi of China is is watching the the what the events unfolding here very closely.
Uh he certainly has been aggressive in his territorial ambitions, and he's not been quiet about quote reunification, his words, not mine, with Taiwan.
We both know that would be a takeover of Taiwan.
Very aggressive uh invasion of Taiwan's airspace with with Chinese fighter jets.
Uh that is ongoing.
It would appear that that that plan that that seems like the next card that's going to fall here.
Um, and I'm not sure that Taiwan will be able to put up much of a fight, and I'm not sure America has the stomach under this president to do what would be necessary to provide the people of Taiwan with the weaponry that they can fight off the Chinese.
Sean, when you when you lose the idea that America will simply do the things that it said it would do to protect its own interests, right?
We have deep American interests that are connected to Taiwan.
Not just everyone talks about semiconductors, that's a big deal, but there are enormous uh American interests in our economy of things that matter to every American that take place in Taiwan each and every day.
This is the window, Sean.
This is before the first missile, before the first ship is launched across the strait to attack Taiwan.
This is the window to provide those tools, those armaments, the training that the Taiwanese need, and we shouldn't limit it to that.
We should make sure that the Japanese are doing their parts, but the South Koreans and Australians are doing their parts that every country in the region who is threatened by the Chinese Communist Party, be it Taiwan or someplace else, gets access to the best weapon systems that would prevent them or permit them to be able to defend their own sovereignty, and importantly, send the right message to Xi Jinping, The leader of the Chinese Communist Party that says, No, you're going to we're going to deter you, we're going to stop you.
The cost of you taking that kind of action is going to be really, really high.
Don't even try it.
This this is what we worked on diligently, day in and day out in the Trump administration to establish a lot of people.
It's interesting.
None of this happened under Donald Trump and there wasn't a threat of it.
This revitalized or new version of this Iranian deal, I hear would free up, you know, tens of billions of dollars for the Iranian mullahs that chant death to America.
Uh we have Russia, quote, brokering or helping negotiate this deal, which is a form of insanity to me.
Um also the possibility that the Iranian revolutionary guard would be taken off America No Fly List.
That's insane.
This is the number one state sponsor of terror, and and these are the people that are their elite fighting force.
Uh, then the possibility that Putin would build a nuclear facility there and that we would import oil from Iran.
Uh you've been reading the reports as I have.
Is this really under consideration?
Because that's that's madness to me.
It appears that it is.
It is absolutely nutty.
There is no logic to arming the Ayatollah, who has killed hundreds of Americans, who threatens Israel with its destruction.
It's the wiping it off the face of the earth, the little Satan with the big Satan to provide them with billions of dollars in money.
Some of which Sean will go to.
You talked about their deals with Russia, some of which will end up in Vladimir Putin's hands, well, he'll go kill Ukrainian.
This is this is nonsense.
And he's already getting bumped.
And add only to that.
Don't forget these missiles we've seen fired from North Korea over the last few weeks.
These are range different in kind.
This is uh the risk of cascading crises is very real.
Well, unless we get the adults back in charge, uh, I'm not feeling very confident about the prospects of things working out well.
Uh, I said that to you at the beginning of this year, long before this invasion of Ukraine, and I think we're both we've both been on the same page here.
Uh always a pleasure to have you, former Secretary of State.
Mike Pompeo.
Uh, thank you, sir, for being with us.
We'll continue.
We'll continue.
You won't hear the mainstream press talking about this stuff.
Sean Hannity is on the radio.
All right, 25 till the top of the hour.
800-941 Sean, you want to join us?
So uh Joe's cognitive decline, precipitous decline continues.
I mean, it was the strangest thing last week.
And I mentioned this earlier.
When he finishes remarks, and then he turns uh to his right to shake somebody's hand and could puts his hand out there, and then he kept it there.
And there's nobody there.
Nobody even around him.
And then after, you know, however many seconds go by, he just, oh, let me let me go walk this way.
Turns around, walks the other way.
I I mean it's just bizarre.
And it just gets worse and worse and worse.
Joe Biden attempting to read a children's book with Joe Biden.
Listen.
Okay, so I'm going to quickly read Brown Bear Brown Bear, so you're all not soaking wet.
And they're not gonna let me read it all.
I'll let you here, you can start us off.
Can you oh here?
Can I read backwards?
Go ahead.
Brown bear brown bear, what do you see?
I see a bird looking at me.
Now you got it.
Okay.
Yellow duck, yellow duck.
What do you see?
I see a blue horse looking at me.
Blue horse.
It's just bizarre.
He's just not there.
And then Joe Biden is told by Joe Biden to just sit there.
And then told by Joe Biden to wave to his wife saying all this to him, giving instructions.
Listen.
Okay.
Just stay.
Just sit.
Come on.
Thank you, and happy, happy Easter.
All right.
Wave.
I mean, they I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this point.
Anyway, 800 941 Sean.
Um, you know, a lot of people ask me, well, where do you stand on this race in in Ohio?
Where do you stand in North Carolina, New Hampshire?
I haven't made my determination yet.
And in large part because I haven't talked to the people.
And I do it by on a case-by-case basis.
And I know that in Ohio, the president over the weekend uh endorsed J.D. Vance, and apparently he had said some things pretty anti-Trump and anti-Trump voters, and and that became a big controversy over the weekend.
Uh, but uh since then had become a a strong proponent of the president.
Uh and I guess some type of understanding must have been mad in turn I from right uh what I've heard and what I've read is that a lot of apologies were given.
Um I now have another one.
I used to live in Georgia and Newt Gingrich's sixth district was right where I around where I lived, and uh it's since been redrawn, but um anyway, uh but Newt, by the way, it's uh Newt used to represent the sixth, and there's a guy that I know, Jack Jake Evans' name, and you know, he's supporting Newt supporting him for Congress, I'm supporting him for Congress.
And after 2020, I know Georgians need to step up and elect bold and unafraid American first conservatives.
Uh and like new Newt Gingrich before me, um Jake Evans is the only candidate I see in that race that I trust to never waver from these America first principles, and and that's my criteria, it's not friendship.
And Jay, by the way, I've never met Jake Evans.
I just looked at the platform.
All right, let's get to the phones.
Ed is in Florida.
Ed, how are you?
You're smart, we're dumb.
We should be down there with you.
Yes, there's uh been something on my mind for a long time that uh I hope that you can answer because you talk with the people in high places, and uh I think I speak for a lot of us when I ask you why does nothing ever happen when we have an ever growing mountain of smoking guns.
Uh like the uh, you know, the the servers and the diary and the election fraud and the pay-to-play and the list goes on and on.
But my question is is there nobody on I on our side who has any power to do anything about this?
You know, that are out there waiting for it.
Yeah.
It's a phenomenon, like, for example, if you look at John Durham and his recent filings, for example, and and Durham's very, very clear, and and he's been out there that the CIA found data alleging Trump Russia collusion, uh the connection was not even technically plausible, that it was user created.
And and they went into great detail.
I know that uh Fox News.com went into great detail, and so they're gonna seek immunity for a fusion GPS employee during the the trial of Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussman.
The whole thing was a lie.
And as a result of that, you think of all right, look at what they they did to this poor kid Papadopoulos, look what they did to Carter Page, uh, look what they did to Roger Stone and Paul Manafort, and those, you know, you get pre-dawn raids, 20, 30 people, uh CNN cameras in one case, and and quick convictions, and meanwhile, you know, Durham is still working on his report.
I don't I don't have a good answer for you.
You know, we've had this Hunter laptop since before the 2020 election campaign, and all these people that went out there and lied to us and said it was Russian disinformation.
They had they they made these comments based on nothing, no evidence whatsoever.
They did it just to make up a story, stick by the t the talking point and lie to us, including fifty-one former intelligence officials that that knew nothing at all about the laptop.
And they told us it wasn't true.
You know, all these connections, and we've gone into great specificity in detail that Joe Biden knew a hell of a lot more about Hunter's foreign business dealings that he ever led on, and that he lied to us, and you and I both know if the last name was Trump, they there would have been an impeachment by now.
And it doesn't happen.
So I I can't give you an answer that you're gonna like, but I've come to the conclusion that we don't have equal justice under the law anymore in America and uh or equal application of our laws.
And if this continues, we're not gonna have a country anymore.
This needs to be resolved.
We can't be criminalizing political differences, and that's what's that's what's happening.
You can't have one set of standard for one group of people because of their political beliefs, and a whole other set of standards for people that have contrary beliefs.
And at some point, there's gonna be a tipping point to all of this, and it's it's not gonna be good for the the United States of America in any way.
And people are getting fed up with it.
I'm getting fed up with it.
Um it just is so fundamentally unfair.
Look, if we had equal justice, Hillary Clinton would, in my opinion, belongs in jail for deleting 33,000 emails.
You know, we found out about bleach bit and hammers and and SIM cards removed, etc.
You know, or those people that spread the the Russia collusion hoax and the lie and their complicit spokespeople in the media mob, they're all guilty of this.
Why any why hasn't anything happened?
I can't give you a rational explanation.
It this case has been proven overwhelmingly.
This sh this show and people on this show have been vindicated.
We were right, they were wrong the entire time.
You can see it in the inspector general's report, you can see it in every filing now that Durham is making, but the people that are responsible are never held to account.
So I don't know what to tell you.
I'll give you the last word.
Yes, sir.
Do we know like where the logjam is?
You know, these cases make it up the chain, and I guess they die on the vine somewhere.
Where's the bottleneck?
Uh you know, where does it start and end?
So that maybe everywhere and it's what we're this is what we refer to as the deep state.
And it protects itself, and it keeps and maintains its power.
And if anything, after all of this, my prediction is there's going to be more abuse of power and more corruption because they know they're going to get away with it.
And they know their allies and the media will get away with it.
Take something as simple as Joe Biden's cognitive decline.
It's not it's not it's an i it's incontrovertible.
The evidence is overwhelming.
Everybody sees it.
Our enemies see it.
The Saudi in Saudi Arabia that they're mocking Joe Biden, you know, kind of just the way Jill Biden was whispering in the ear of Joe this weekend, the same thing.
They had a skit where it was Kamala Harris, you know, telling Joe what to say.
And the world is, you know, what we're what we're seeing is with a weak America, you can almost see the world's alliances now on very shaky ground, and we're living in a tr transitionary period where we don't know who's going to be aligned with who at the end of this.
It's kind of scary.
Anyway, Ed, we're going to keep fighting.
November's going to be here soon enough, and that's when we can be most effective, in my view.
No!
It's all right.
It's all right.
Back to our busy phones.
We'll stay in Florida.
Eric is next.
Eric, how are you?
Glad you called.
Okay.
Thank you, Sean, for taking my call.
Uh I'm a Democrat, but I will vote Republican in November.
And there's two reasons why I'm switching.
Uh, reason number one is the agenda to teach gender identity to very young children.
But first, let me say I am empathetic and I feel compassion towards people with gender identity problems, and I wish them well in their pursuit of happiness.
I hold nothing against them, and I want us to all support them as much as possible.
That being said, especially listen, if you're an adult, you know, you you should in a free country, you should be able to make your own decisions.
But I don't think if you're born biologically a man that you should be competing in in women's sports.
And I'll quote Caitlin Jenner who said it best.
I'm not interested in someone's testosterone levels at the age of 22 after they have have gone through this transition.
I'm more more, you know, what was their type what were their testosterone levels when they were in puberty and when they were 17 and 18?
And and I think she nails it.
But anyway, go ahead.
Right.
Exactly.
We as a society must never forget that the absolute most important lesson a child can learn in school is to be self-confident.
The Democrat Party does not understand that teaching very young children to ponder and question their own sexual identity could lead to self-doubt, indecisiveness rather than self confidence.
It seems like I I even take it a step further than you, though.
How about we spend all this money on education more per capita than any other country in the industrialized world?
And we get the worst results for our money.
And how about we just focus reading, writing, math, science, computers, and get our kids to lead the world in terms of an education.
And if and if schools really feel that this is imperative and this is important, and if some parents are unwilling to discuss these issues with their own children, and and the age appropriateness is a whole separate issue because they're talking about kindergartners.
We played a tape last week of a teacher saying, Well, when a child is born, the doctor guesses whether it's a boy or a girl.
The doctor's not guessing if it's a boy or a girl.
And and yet this this goes this, I think it was a first grade class.
Why are we teaching this to first graders when they can't read, write, do math, science, and computers?
Exactly.
There was a physician senator from Kansas on Fox News a couple weeks ago, and this doctor said that 80% of the children with gender dysphoria will outgrow it on their own.
Apparently, nature and evolution have mechanisms to deal with gender dysphoria automatically.
We don't know.
Well, remember the HHS secretary suggested in an exchange with Lauren Boebert uh that in fact it's on the table consideration if parents do not go along with an underage child and their desire to have the surgery, which is life altering, that that it's on the table that they would maybe take their their kids away from the parents.
I mean, that look, there comes a point as an adult, anyone should be able to make any decision they want.
But as children, parents, you know what?
They're not potted plants.
They're actually meant to guide their children in the values that they believe that they deem are going to uh help them and assist them and guide them through the rest of their life.
And uh, you know, the idea that the school thinks they're smarter than the parents is so outrageous to me.
Can I tell you one more reason why I'm voting Republican?
If we had taken the eighty-five billion dollars worth of military equipment that we left on the ground in Afghanistan and Ukraine.
Well, yeah, we could have given it to Grave.
We could have also sold it at a discount, uh, like fifty cents on the dollar to our NATO allies, and we would have recouped forty-two billion in cash.
And let's say that one electric vehicle charging station costs roughly a million dollars, I'm guessing, but that's a good round number to build in the United States.
Forty-two billion dollars divided by one million dollars per charging station equals forty-two thousand electric vehicle charging stations that could have been built here in the United States to help, you know, transition over to electric vehicles.
I mean, it just sounds so stupid to me why we wasted all this money.
Yeah, I look does any of this make sense?
No.
You know, it's day two hundred and forty-seven that we abandon Americans and Joe's never never mentioned them again.
It's unconscionable to me.
And the worst part is is we've got two years and what, eight months worth of this.
And there's nothing really we can do.
Now, in November, we can stop all legislative actions of the Democrats by taking the House and the Senate, or at least taking the House.
The Senate will be more difficult, but I believe that it's very possible that we can take the Senate back.
I hope we do.
Because it would be it would make the country that much more that much stronger and mitigate that much more damage.
But we'll have to see.
It's gonna be up to all of you listening right now.
You're gonna have to get out there, pay attention, you're gonna have to vote.
Anyway, appreciate the call.
Thank you.
800-941 Sean on number you want to be a part of the program at the top of the hour.
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