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Who Is Rodney Joffe - February 22nd, Hour 3
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It got very, very interesting.
Remember, Donald Trump said, yeah, they spied on me.
The media went nuts.
Mocking Trump, dismissing Trump.
Now we get these couple of paragraphs in the filing by John Durham as he looks into the origins of the Russian investigation.
And by the way, the word infiltrate never appeared in Durham's new statement, report, or information he was providing to the court.
This related to the Sussman indictment for lying to the FBI.
Infiltrate's not in there.
Spy's not in it.
But the word data mining is in there.
Now, they don't mention the particular person involved in the data mining.
It's pretty interesting, though, that I think tech executive one, I think, is how the person's identified.
Paul Sperry did a deep dive into this for Real Clear Politics, Real Clear Investigations, and he joins us now to discuss what he found.
Well, first of all, let me ask you, how did you figure out in the filing of Durham that Tech Executive One happened to be the guy you did this profile on?
Well, Rodney Joffey was identified months ago, and we were one of the first to out him as Tech Executive One.
And just a little background quickly, he was a Beltway tech executive, hocus score in top job in what everyone assumed would be the Hillary Clinton administration.
Ends up being a key player in the Rushgate scandal, mining Derek's campaign in 2016 and even into 2017.
You talk about he has this checkered past, but yet he was able to get the highest security clearance available.
Comey even at one point, I gave him some kind of an award you write about in this piece.
How if somebody has, you can explain the checkered past and then explain how does he get a security clearance with that background?
Yeah, right.
So in our investigative report at Real Clear, we track Joffee's career going back to the 80s.
Even though Joffey's portrayed as a computer scientist, an expert, someone, you know, supposedly beyond reproach, he actually got his start as a direct mail scam artist.
Before he did the dirty tricks for Hillary, Joffee had a history of doing shady deals for quick cash.
One involved a fake grandfather clock, and another we found involved in online lottery schemes.
By the way, the fake clock you wrote that you had to put together yourself, that's not good.
I was chuckling at that little detail, but go ahead.
First time you've been scammed.
So he's been involved in at least two consumer fraud cases, this Rodney Joffey.
By the way, this guy's a real operator.
He kind of reminds me of Christopher Steele.
But anyway, so he's been involved in at least two consumer fraud cases that we could find, which raises questions how he managed to pass an FBI background check and go on to obtain highly classified cybersecurity contracts with the federal government and snoop around in the internet traffic of the executive office of the president.
So the question is, were those red flags ignored at the FBI and why?
And one reason may be Joffey holds a number of contracts with the FBI and DOJ, including monitoring their computer systems.
And he was one of the first civilians to receive the FBI Director's Award from Comey for organizing this particular, I call it Mariposa Butterfly botnet group and takedown.
What was that about?
Yeah, so he has been actually an FBI informant, once again, paralleling with Christopher Steele's career, an FBI informant for the past 15 years.
And we dug up a photograph of him standing with 6'7 James Comey, and also we found a photo of him with President Obama, who we advised.
But the bigger picture here is Durham is uncovering more than Hillary-related crimes.
He's finding that the Justice Department and the Pentagon, who also had contracts with Joffee, and even the White House, are tangled up with one of Hillary's operatives who happens to be a major federal contractor with top secret clearance.
So there may be a contract broad element to this scandal.
And that makes Rod Joffrey.
But let me ask you this.
What is taking Durham so long?
I mean, there was so much low-hanging fruit laid out and handed to him vis-a-vis, you know, Horowitz and the Inspector General's report and even referrals along with it for FBI top officials that had lied.
And yet nothing ever seems to happen.
Now, there are some crumbs here.
And Durham, in response to Sussman's refiling, said, I can't help but the people misinterpret what I'm saying here.
He didn't say the word infiltrate.
That was pointed out.
I think it was Kash Patel who said that, and it got repeated.
Okay, so, but when you talk about, but he does use the term data mining.
That term he does use.
Now, data mining, and we talk about very specific instances of data mining all surrounding Donald Trump and all things, Donald Trump, including where he lives, including Trump Tower, including the executive office building.
Now, data mining doesn't mean you break into a server.
My understanding, and I'm not the biggest tech guy, so you can help me out.
My understanding is that there's ways that you can find out where the traffic from a particular building is going to and then make inferences based on that.
Is that a good analysis?
Yes.
Durham, in that latest filing, he's very clear that Joffey was digging up derogatory ⁇ the purpose of him doing this monitoring on this internet traffic for Trump.
When you say monitoring, it's data mining.
Is it fair?
If you're data mining somebody, a third party's information, isn't that spying?
Because to me, where I grew up, I would interpret that as a form of it.
No?
Well, he said he was digging up derogatory.
The term was derogatory information targeting Trump.
So that was his purpose.
So, but if you don't have permission, I'm trying to I'm trying to really hone in on this because I really want to understand it.
When somebody says they're data mining and let's say somebody's data mining your computer information and you don't know that they're doing it, is that legal?
But you don't have a warrant?
Well, this is the law.
So Joffey and his federal contractors were supposed to be using the protected internet data they had access to to monitor security packet threat.
That was the contract.
But they were using it for political purposes.
If they found security threats, they didn't report it to the authorities.
They took it to Hillary's people, including Sussman.
And they knew it was untrue according to their emails that Durham uncovered.
So they used their contractual relationship to cherry-pick and provide sensitive non-public information to the Clinton camp.
So the question is, is that a violation of federal statutes against contract fraud?
So some of my justice and FBI sources believe that Durham is pursuing such a case, including bail and wire fraud.
But the key is whether Joffey's firms billed the government for the dirt digging they did on Trump.
In other words, Maybe is the government paying for all of this.
Now, let's go to Sussman.
Sussman was, as I understand it, an attorney.
The charge against him by Durham is lying to the FBI.
And he went to the FBI with the information that this guy, Jaffe, had put together.
And they were trying to link Trump to all things Alpha Bank, a Russian bank.
And is Durham saying that Sussman, in fact, did this?
And knowing that maybe it's not true, knowing that it was, quote, data mined, however you want to define that?
Yeah, in the first indictment, he lays that out pretty well, that they all knew it was bogus.
I mean, they were trying to formulate a conspiracy that there was this secret hotline between Trump and the Kremlin.
And they all knew it was bogus.
That's manifested in all of their emails going back and forth.
But what he was specifically charged with was lying about billing the Clinton campaign.
And that's what he got, hooked him up on.
But this is much broader than that.
Because he was one thing that Durham did say is that they apparently regularly billed the Clinton campaign.
And correct me if I'm wrong, was working for Perkins Cooey, which hired Fusion GPS, which hired Christopher Steele.
Is that all correct?
That's right.
They set it up so that the law firm would be the conduit for all the cash.
And they thought it would protect Hillary and her campaign officials.
But Durham has already cited at least three of them.
And there's no doubt that the Hillary campaign is now the central focus of at least this part of the Spygate scandal.
The sources tell us that Durham's building a conspiracy case, so we shall see.
But we know what we do know is his investigation keeps widening.
And he just brought aboard another prosecutor who has trial experience prosecuting money laundering and fraud cases, which is very interesting.
All right, quick break more with Real Clear Investigations reporter, investigative reporter Paul Sperry on the other side.
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We continue with Paul Sperry real clear investigations as he looks deeper into these new developments as it relates to the Durham investigation and the Durham probe into the origins of the Trump Russia lie.
Where do you think this ends up?
I mean, again, if the Clinton campaign is paying the money and funneling it through Perkins-Cooey and Perkins-Cooey is funneling it through Fusion GPS that hires Christopher Steele, then you do have an instance, I believe, of illegitimate use of information.
We know that, for example, the FISA applications all relied.
Andrew McCabe acknowledged it.
If we didn't have the dirty dossier, Russian misinformation dossier that Hillary ultimately pays for, you know, going through these different channels, and they wouldn't have had the FISA applications.
And Carter Page being associated with the Trump campaign, my understanding is that gave a backdoor into all of Carter Page's contacts, which would have given a backdoor contact into the Trump campaign transition team and presidency.
Is that correct?
Yeah, so what they vacuumed up for Carter Page, all his electronic communications, would be everything in the past, as well as what he was currently communicating through texts, emails, DMs, everything.
So, yeah, so in effect, they were spying on Trump campaign officials, not just Carter Page and potentially Trump himself.
But they still applied for the FISA application, the warrant to do this, by using, and it says using an unverifiable dossier, and it says at the top of a FISA application, verified, does it not?
Based on a fraudulent document that was manufactured by the Hillary campaign.
There's been commission, underwritten.
And another thing, you're talking about the money trail, which is key here for Durham.
Money laundering.
He's following the money.
The money is the key.
The billing records.
Also, did money go through these contractors at Georgia Tech through the Pentagon to finance this project?
That's another avenue that I'm told that Durham is looking into.
And I don't think the statue of limitations is a problem here if he's working a conspiracy charge.
He would not be limited by the statute of limitations, the five-year federal statute, because the criminal conspiracies are ongoing.
The statute of limitations is told.
So in layman's terms, the statute of limitations restarts every year.
Also, the RICO statute of limitations, if you go to that, is 10 years, and that is restarting every day as well.
Do you believe that Durham has the goods on all of this?
Are you convinced?
Are your contacts, are your sources telling you that Durham has this story down pat or believes he does and that he will blow this thing out of the water one day?
Well, if you looked at a filing he did a few weeks back where he had to inform Sussman's legal team of the discovery, what he has and what he's going to provide.
Man, he has just, I mean, tens and tens of thousands of documents he's already gotten.
You know, probably 100 witnesses, many of whom have already gone before his grand juries.
And I'm talking about the Dan Chenko case, too.
Shouldn't forget about that.
That's a separate grand jury in Virginia, in addition to the D.C. grand jury that he's in handled.
And so you've got all these people going through FBI interviews.
He's got the 302s.
And then they're also going through the grand hearing before the grand jury in both these cases.
So this is a huge case.
He's already generated tens of thousands of documents.
I think he's got a lot of smoking guns in there.
Do you think that any chance any of this gets back to Hillary Clinton?
Well, yeah, she's definitely implicated, whether or not she's untouchable like she was with the email scandal, which she was, as it turns out.
They did even really interrogate her.
Yeah, I doubt if you or I use bleach-bit hammers and remove SIM cards that we'd get away with it.
Listen, this investigation was a complete whitewash.
And a number of veteran FBI agents have told me that on the record.
I've reported that to the New York Post.
That was a complete joke, that investigation they did on Hillary.
All right, Paul Sperry, real clear investigations, real clear politics.
Thanks so much for being with us.
We'll follow the story.
It gets frustrating.
It really does.
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I'm 25 now to the top of the air.
Where do you see this video?
I want to play this again.
It's five minutes, but it's Donald Trump pretty much just pounding NATO and especially Germany on a number of issues.
Number one, why is it that per capita GDP we're paying such a larger percentage of NATO's bill?
It's supposed to be a defense alliance against Russia.
And then he keeps going back to, okay, look at Germany, for example, as it relates to their much lower GDP.
They're paying a buck something compared to our $4 and whatever, you know, whatever percentage of our GDP that we're paying.
He goes, and we're protecting them from Russia.
And then they're going and doing one business deal after another and making Russia and Putin rich again.
He beat the hell out of them.
And it's so relevant to why we're in the situation that we are in today.
And it's the difference between having a real American president advocating for American-first policies versus this guy withering on a vine, probably not even knowing that today is Tuesday or what month it is.
You know, just gets very, very tired.
This is the beginning of, I think, an invasion of Ukraine and setting up to take more territory.
And this is the beginning of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
I'm like, it is so beyond humiliating.
And then to watch the pathetic response of our NATO allies, they're impotent.
You know, we're going to send, there's an article.
Oh, we're going to send, I think, 100 airplanes over.
For what?
We're going to put a higher state of preparedness for 8,500 troops in America.
For what?
We're sending 3,000 troops to Europe.
For what?
We're not going to do a thing.
Joe's not going to lift a finger.
I'm not saying we should either.
The way to counter Putin is to defeat him financially.
How do you defeat Putin financially?
You out-produce energy in this battle over energy.
Joe Biden has artificially reduced the world supply with his ridiculous adherence to the cult of climate change religion that guides his entire socialist party.
And we've now dramatically reduced the world's supply of energy.
And this has now dramatically increased the price of energy, the lifeblood of the world's economy.
And we're all feeling the impact of it.
And that's where 40%, you know, a 40-year high of inflation is that number comes from in large part because everything we buy at every store is costing more, costing more to fill up your tank, costing more to heat and cool your home.
Everything is caused by this artificially low supply of energy.
And Joe's answer up heretofore has been to just beg our friends at OPEC, they're not our friends, and beg Russia and import oil from Russia of all places when we have far more natural resources than they do.
And if we were really smart, it would be good for our national security and it would be good for economic security in this country to be energy independent again.
Like when Joe first became president, he was handed energy independence.
America was a net exporter of energy.
If we were still a net exporter of energy, guess what?
Putin would not have the freedom or money that he has now to be pursuing these territorial ambitions.
We could be supplying our Western European allies with their energy needs.
Instead, Joe's policies have literally pushed NATO right into the arms and our allies, Western European allies, right into the arms of Vladimir Putin, the hostile actor that he is.
And now with impunity, he probably will take the entire country because he doesn't recognize Ukraine as a sovereign country.
And there's not a thing that Joe is ever going to do that is going to stop Vladimir Putin's ambitions.
Nothing.
Here's Trump, though.
Listen to Trump.
This is from 2018.
This is Donald Trump.
NATO beating the crap out of him.
Mike Pompeo is sitting right next to him.
Well, I have to say, I think it's very sad when Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia, where you're supposed to be guarding against Russia, and Germany goes out and pays billions and billions of dollars a year to Russia.
So we're protecting Germany, we're protecting France, we're protecting all of these countries.
And then numerous of the countries go out and make a pipeline deal with Russia where they're paying billions of dollars into the coffers of Russia.
So we're supposed to protect you against Russia, but they're paying billions of dollars to Russia.
And I think that's very inappropriate.
And the former Chancellor of Germany is the head of the pipeline company that's supplying the gas.
Ultimately, Germany will have almost 70% of their country controlled by Russia with natural gas.
So you tell me, is that appropriate?
I mean, I've been complaining about this from the time I got it, and it should have never been allowed to have happened.
But Germany is totally controlled by Russia because they were getting from 60 to 70% of their energy from Russia and a new pipeline.
And you tell me if that's appropriate because I think it's not.
And I think it's a very bad thing for NATO.
And I don't think it should have happened.
And I think we have to talk to Germany about it.
On top of that, Germany is just paying a little bit over 1%, whereas the United States, in actual numbers, is paying 4.2% of a much larger GDP.
So I think that's inappropriate also.
You know, we're protecting Germany, we're protecting France, we're protecting everybody, and yet we're paying a lot of money to protect.
Now, this has been going on for decades.
This has been brought up by other presidents, but other presidents never did anything about it because I don't think they understood it or they just didn't want to get involved.
But I have to bring it up because I think it's very unfair to our country.
It's very unfair to our taxpayer.
And I think that these countries have to step it up, not over a 10-year period, they have to step it up immediately.
Germany is a rich country.
They talk about they could increase it a tiny bit by 2030.
Well, they could increase it immediately tomorrow and have no problem.
I don't think it's fair to the United States.
So we're going to have to do something because we're not going to put up with it.
We can't put up with it, and it's inappropriate.
So we have to talk about the billions and billions of dollars that's being paid to the country that we're supposed to be protecting you against.
You know, everybody's talking about it all over the world.
They'll say, well, wait a minute, we're supposed to be protecting you from Russia.
But why are you paying billions of dollars to Russia for energy?
Why are countries in NATO, namely Germany, having a large percentage of their energy needs paid to Russia and taken care of by Russia?
Now, if you look at it, Germany is a captive of Russia because they supply.
They got rid of their coal plants, they got rid of their nuclear.
They're getting so much of the oil and gas from Russia.
I think it's something that NATO has to look at.
I think it's very inappropriate.
You and I agreed that it's inappropriate.
I don't know what you can do about it now, but it certainly doesn't seem to make sense that they pay billions of dollars to Russia and now we have to defend them against Russia.
You know, NATO is an alliance of 29 nations, and there are sometimes differences and different views and also some disagreements.
And the gas path from Russia to Germany is one issue where allies disagree.
But the strength of NATO is that, despite these differences, we have always been able to unite around our war task to protect and defend each other because we understand that we are stronger together than apart.
I think that few world wars and the Cold War fault will set we are stronger together than a forge.
But how can you be together when a country is getting its energy from the person you want protection against or from the group that you want protection?
Of course, you understand that when we stand together also when dealing with Russia, we are stronger.
I think what we have seen is that...
No, you're just making Russia richer.
Well, not dealing with Russia.
You're making Russia richer.
I mean, how relevant is all of that to where we are today?
it is so relevant oh but we're we're going to we're going to go in there and we're gonna we're gonna what You know, Pompeo put it right.
He's on TV tonight.
He said it on this program yesterday.
Putin's going to interrupt Biden's weak response as a green light to invade Ukraine.
You know, this minor incursion at this point, it's only going to get bigger.
You know, Russian invasion of Ukraine would not be the largest military action since World War II.
The Biden White House has been claiming over the last few weeks that this invasion would be the largest operation of its kind, but with 190,000 Russian troops amassed along the Ukraine border, certainly sounds plausible, except there's one big problem, and that would be in 1956, then the Soviet Union, the Soviet Union under Nikita Khrushchev, put down the Hungarian Revolution, and Hungary is considerably further away from Russian territory than Ukraine.
Whoopsie-daisy.
European leaders disagree with Biden over whether Russia has invaded Ukraine because they're dependent on Russia financially, because we're not doing our job because the climate change cult alarmists have taken over the entire Democratic Socialist Party.
Now, am I saying that we should get involved in any type of war?
No, not at all.
I'm saying defeat Putin financially, outproduce him with energy, provide our allies all their energy needs, and we would be great for our economy.
It would reduce this record-high inflation, and it would be great for foreign policy because, guess what?
We won't have to care what goes on in the Middle East or the Straits of Hormuz or any other areas of conflict that exist in the world.
Germany, a little late.
They suspended the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, but where are they going to get their energy needs fulfilled from next?
Anyway, 800-941-Sean, our number, you want to be a part of the program.
George is in Mississippi.
George, how are you?
Glad you called.
I am good.
How are you today?
I'm good, sir.
What's going on?
Good.
All right.
Well, just a couple of things, real quick.
Number one, this bit with Ukraine, there's obviously one person there that's made this possible.
So you said earlier, maybe you should run for president.
Do it.
Hey, George, you must really not like me.
Do you ever see what happens to anybody that runs for president?
I get the crap beat out of me enough.
I mean, do you really want to put me in that environment every day?
I love my country.
I'll say that.
There you go.
The other thing, though, that I'm looking forward to in November, I hope the conservatives obviously take over the Senate and the House.
And my question there is: would they have the ability to rescind the impeachments against Trump?
Would they have the chance to rescind them?
I don't know.
That's a good question.
I don't know.
I don't think so because I think he was impeached.
So do you get to have another Congress overturn that?
Not that I know of.
Is it possible?
I have no, I don't, to me, it's irrelevant.
I think they'd impeach Trump because they didn't like the way he eats a hamburger.
So to me, all of it's irrelevant.
Well, I mean, everything that was put forward there was just politically put together, and it just wasn't fair, and it wasn't true, a lot of it.
I think you might have an ability to change the post-presidency impeachment attempt of the Democrats.
I wonder about the constitutionality of that.
I will say this: I think if you look at every attack that Donald Trump is under right now, for example, Georgia is investigating Donald Trump.
New York is investigating Donald Trump.
The January 6th Committee, you know, it's interesting.
They're going to bring in, I guess, the National Guard for, you know, if the Truckers Convoy makes it to D.C., Donald Trump had authorized, according to Mark Meadows, Kash Patel, and President Trump himself on January 4th, calling up up to 20,000 troops as required by law.
Then, of course, then the chain of command went to Nancy Pelosi, whose charge it is to secure the Capitol, and Muriel Bowser, whose jurisdiction it is in.
And they both rejected what Donald Trump offered them.
Had they taken the 20,000 troops and brought them in as the Capitol Police Chief begged for six separate times, then January 6th never would have happened.
It's interesting that there's no interest in that committee to bring in Nancy Pelosi or Muriel Bowser or the sergeant of arms or the Capitol Police Chief and have them answer questions as to why didn't you call up the guard?
You knew what had happened the previous summer.
You knew how big the crowds were.
You knew they were going to march to the Capitol.
You knew the president had authorized the troops.
Why?
You know there's always going to be bad actors in any large crowd like that.
You knew tensions in the country were high.
But according to the chairman, the chairman said, no, Nancy Pelosi is off limits.
As you know, the speaker, she made a major decision.
Are Speaker Pelosi's decisions on and ahead of January 6th?
Do you believe that would also be fair game for Republicans if they joined this committee to investigate?
Well, no, I don't.
But anyway, we'll see what happens.
Yeah, let's crack the heads of the peaceful, the real peaceful protesters were in Canada.
And they were the truckers.
And they got their heads cracked.
And, you know, the little wannabe Putin dictator himself, little Justin, you know, keeps his emergency powers.
Rand Paul is right.
We better pay attention to this because I can guarantee you there are many socialist Democrats that want that power here.
All right, that's going to wrap things up for today.
Hannity tonight, Nine Eastern on the Fox News channel.
Full coverage of Joe's pathetic response to Vladimir and the invasion of Ukraine and how far this goes.
Jennifer Griffin reporting.
Lucas Tomlinson is in Ukraine.
We'll get reaction from Rick Perry on the energy side of this.
Mike Pompeo tonight.
Tammy Bruce, Caitlin Jenner, Pam Bondi, Senator Scott, much more.
Nine Eastern, Hannity, Fox News.
See you tonight.
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