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Um it got very, very interesting.
Remember Donald Trump said, Yeah, they spied on me.
The media went nuts.
The me uh mocking Trump, dismissing Trump.
Uh now we get this these these couple of paragraphs in the filing by John Durham as he looks into the origins of the Russian investigation.
And by the way, the word infiltrate never appeared in Durham's new new statement report or information he was providing to the court.
Uh this related to the the Sussman indictment for lying to the FBI.
Um infiltrate's not in there, spies not in there, but the word data mining is in there.
Now, they don't mention the particular person involved in the in the data mining.
It's it's pretty interesting, though, that I think tech executive one, I think is how the person's identified.
Uh Paul Sperry did a deep dive into this for real clear politics, real clear investigations, and he joins us now to discuss uh what he found.
Um, first of all, let me ask you how did you figure out in the filing of Durham that tech executive one happened to be the guy you did this profile on?
Well, Rodney Joffey uh was identified uh months ago, and uh we were one of the first to out him as tech executive one.
And just uh little background quickly, uh he was a beltway tech executive housed score and top job in what everyone assumed would be the Hillary Clinton administration, ends up being a key player in the Russian scandal, mining Derek Hillary's campaign in 2016 and even into 2017.
But uh in now you you you talk about he has this checkered past, but yet he was able to get the highest security clearance available.
Comey even at one point I gave him some kind of an award you write about in this piece.
Um how how if somebody has you can explain the checkered past and then explain how how does he get a security clearance with that background?
Yeah, right.
So in our investigative report, it real clear, we we track Joffe's career going back to the eighties.
Uh even though Joffey's portrayed as uh a computer scientist, an expert, uh someone, you know, supposedly beyond reproach.
He actually got his start as a direct mail scam artist.
Uh before he did the dirty tricks for Hillary, Joffey had a history of doing shady deals for quick cash.
One involved a fake grandfather clock, and another we found involved in online lottery scheme.
By the way, the fake clock you wrote that you had to put together yourself, that's not good.
I was laughing, I was chuckling in that little detail, but go ahead.
First I need a scam.
So he he's been so he's been involved in at least two consumer fraud cases, this Rodney Joffey.
Uh by the way, he's a this guy's a real operator.
He kind of reminds me of Christopher Steele, but anyway.
Uh so he's been involved in at least uh two consumer fraud cases that we could find, which raises questions how he managed to pass an FBI background check and go on to obtain highly classified cybersecurity contracts with the federal government and snoop around in the internet traffic of the executive office of the president.
So the question is were those red flags ignored at the FBI and why?
And one reason may be Joffy holds a number of contracts with the FBI and DOJ, including monitoring their computer systems.
And he was one of the first civilians to receive the FBI director's award from Comey for organizing this particular Mariposa butterfly botnet group and takedown.
What was that about?
Yeah, so he he has been actually an FBI informant, once again, paralleling with Christopher Steele's career, an FBI informant for the past 15 years, and we we dug up a photograph of him standing with uh six foot seven uh uh James Comey, and also we found a photo of him with uh President Obama who he advised.
Uh but the the bigger picture here is Durham is uncovering more than Hillary related crimes.
He's finding that the Justice Department and the Pentagon who also had contracts with Joffe, uh, and Even the White House are tangled up with one of Hillary's operatives who happens to be a major federal contractor with top secret clearance.
So there may be a contract broad element to this scandal.
Uh and that makes uh Rod Joffrey.
But let me ask you this what is taking Durham so long.
I mean, there was so much low hanging fruit laid out and handed to him vis a visowitz and the inspector general's report and and even referrals along with it for FBI top officials that had lied.
Um and and yet nothing ever seems to happen.
Now th there are there are some crumbs here, and Durham in response to Sussman's refiling, uh said, I can't help but if people misinterpret what I'm saying here.
He didn't say the word infiltrate.
That was pointed out that I think it was Cash Patel who said that and it got repeated.
Okay, so but when you talk about but he does use the term data mining.
That term he does use.
Now, data mining, and it's we talk about very specific instances of data mining, all surrounding Donald Trump and all things Donald Trump, including where he lives, including Trump Tower, including the executive office building.
Now, data mining doesn't mean you break into a server, my understanding, and I'm not the biggest tech guy, so you can help me out.
My understanding is that there's ways that you can find out where the traffic from a particular building is going to, and then make inferences based on that.
Is that a good analysis?
Yes, i i he he uh uh uh Durham in that latest filing, he's very clear that Joffe was digging up derogatory the purpose of him doing this monitoring on this internet traffic uh for Trump.
When you say monitoring, it's data mining.
Is it is it fair if you're data mining somebody a third party's information, isn't that is that spying?
Because to me, and where I grew up, I would interpret that as a a a form of it, no.
Well, he said he said he was he was digging up derog the term was derogatory information targeting Trump.
So that was his purpose.
So Joffe and But if you don't have permission, I'm trying to I'm trying to f home really hone in on this, because I really want to understand it.
When somebody says they're data mining and they're let's say somebody's data mining your computer information, and you you don't know that they're doing it, is that legal?
If you don't have a warrant.
Well, this is this is this is the law.
So Joffy and his federal contractors were supposed to be using the protected internet data they had access to to monitor security packed threats.
That was the contract.
But they were using it for political purposes.
If they found security threats, they didn't report it to the authorities, they took it to Hillary's people, including Sussman, and they knew it was untrue according to their emails that Durham uh uncovered.
So they used their contractual relationship to cherry pick and provide sensitive non-public information to the Clinton camp.
So the question is, is that a violation of federal statutes against contract fraud?
So some of my justice and FBI sources believe that Durham is pursuing such a case, including bail and wire fraud.
But the key is whether Joffy's firms build the government for the dirt digging they did on Trump.
And that's the government maybe is the government paying for all of this.
Now let's go to Sussman.
Sussman was, as I understand it, an attorney.
The charge against him by Durham is lying to the FBI.
Um and he went to the FBI with the information that this guy Joffe had put together, and they were trying to link Trump to all things Alpha Bank or Russian bank.
And so is is Durham saying that that Sussman, in fact, um did this and knowing that maybe it's not true, knowing that it was quote data mined, however you want to define that.
Yeah, in the first indictment, he he lays that out pretty well that they they all knew it was bogus.
I mean, they they were they were trying to um formulate a conspiracy that uh there was the secret hotline between Trump and the Kremlin, and they all knew it was bogus.
That's uh that's it's manifest in all their emails going back and forth.
Uh but what he was specifically charged with was was lying about uh billing the the Clinton campaign.
Uh and that's what he got it hooked him up on.
But this is much broader than that.
Because he was built one thing that Durham did say is that he they apparently he regularly billed the Clinton campaign, and he correct me if I'm wrong, was working for Perkins Couie, is that c which hired Fusion GPS, which hired Christopher Steele.
Is that all correct?
That's right.
That's they they set it up so that the law firm would be the conduit for all the cash.
And um they thought it would protect Hillary and her her campaign officials, but uh uh Durham has already cited at least three of them, and uh there's no doubt that uh the Hillary campaign is now the the central focus of at least this part of the of the spygate scandal scandal.
The sources tell us that Durham's building a conspiracy case, so we shall see, but we know uh what we do know is his investigation keeps widening, and he just brought aboard another prosecutor who has trial experience prosecuting money laundering and fraud cases, which is very interesting.
All right, quick break more with real clear investigations uh reporter, investigative reporter Paul Sperry on the other side, then we'll get to your calls.
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We continue with Paul Sperry, real clear investigations as he looks deeper into these new developments as it relates to the Durham investigation and the Durham probe into the origins of the Trump Russia lie.
Where do you think this ends up?
I mean, if if again, if the Clinton campaign is paying the money and funneling it through Perkins Couie, and Perkins Couie is funneling it through Fusion GPS that hires Christopher Steele, then you got uh you do have an instance, I believe, of illegitimate uh use of information.
We know that, for example, the FISA applications all relied.
Andrew McCabe acknowledged it.
If we didn't have the dirty dossier, Russian misinformation dossier that Hillary ultimately pays for, you know, going through these different channels, and they wouldn't have had the FISA applications and Carter Page being associated with the Trump campaign.
My understanding is that gave a backdoor into all of Carter Page's uh contacts, which would have given a backdoor contact into the Trump campaign transition team and presidency.
Is that correct?
Yeah, so uh w what they vacuumed up uh for Carter Page, all his electronic um uh communications would be everything in the past as well as what he was currently uh communicating through text, emails, DMs, everything.
Uh so yeah, so in effect they were spying uh On Trump campaign officials, not just uh Carter Page and potentially Trump himself.
But even but they still applied for the FISA application, the warrant to do this by using and it says uh uh using an unverifiable dossier, and it says at the top of a FISA application verified, does it not?
Based on a fraudulent document that was manufactured by the Hillary campaign, there's in commission, underwritten.
Um another thing, you're talking about uh the money trail, which is key here for Durham, uh money laundering.
Uh he's following the money.
The money is the key, the billing records.
Uh also did money go through these contractors at Georgia Tech through the Pentagon uh to finance this project.
That's that's another avenue that uh told that Durham is looking into.
And I don't think the statute of limitations is a problem here if he's working a conspiracy charge.
Um he would not be limited by the statute of limitations, the five-year federal statute, because the criminal conspiracy conspiracies are ongoing.
Um the statute of limitation uh is told.
So in layman's terms, uh the statute of limitations restarts every year.
Uh also the RICO statute of limitations if he goes to that is ten years, and that is restarting every day as well.
Do you believe that Durham has the goods on all of this?
Uh yeah, are you convinced of your contacts or your you know the sources telling you that Durham has this story down pat or believes he does, and that he's gonna he will blow this thing out of the water one day?
Well, if you look at a uh filing he did uh uh uh few weeks back uh where he had to inform Sussman's legal team of uh the discovery, what he has and what he's gonna provide.
Man, he is just I mean, tens and tens of thousands of documents he's already gotten, um, you know, probably a hundred witnesses, many of whom have already gone before his grand jury.
And I'm talking about the Danchenko case, too, so shouldn't forget about that.
That's a separate grand jury in Virginia, in addition to the DC grand jury that he's in panel.
And so you've got all these people going through um FBI interviews, he's got the 302s, and then they're also going through the grand going here before the grand jury in both these cases.
So this is a huge case.
He's already generated tens of thousands of documents.
I think he's got a lot of smoking guns in there.
Do you think that any chance any of this gets back to Hillary Clinton?
Well, yeah, it's it's she's definitely implicated, whether or not she's untouchable like she was with the email scandal, which she was, as it turns out, they didn't even really uh interrogate her.
And yeah, I doubt if you or I use bleach bit hammers and remove SIM cards that you we'd get away with it.
Um investigation was a complete whitewash, and a number of veteran FBI agents uh told me that on the record.
I've reported that to the Air Post.
That that was a complete joke, that investigation they did on Hillary.
All right, Paul Sperry, real clear investigations, uh real clear real clear politics.
Thanks so much for being with us.
We'll follow the story.
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Where do you see this video?
I'm gonna I want to play this again.
It's five minutes, but it's Donald Trump pretty much just pounding NATO and especially Germany, and on a number of issues.
Number one, why is it that per capita p GDP we're paying such a larger percentage of NATO's bill, it's supposed to be a defense alliance against Russia.
And then he keeps going back to, okay, uh, look at Germany, for example, as it relates to their much lower GDP.
They they're paying a buck something compared to our four dollars and whatever, you know, whatever percentage of our GDP that we're paying.
He goes, and we're protecting them from Russia, and then they're going and doing one business deal after another and making Russia and Putin rich again.
He beat the hell out of them.
And it's so relevant to why we're in the situation that we are in today, and it's the difference between having a real American president advocating for American first policies versus this guy withering on a vine, probably not even knowing that today is Tuesday or what month it is.
You know, just gets uh very, very tired.
Uh this is the beginning of uh uh I think an invasion of uh Ukraine and setting up to take more territory, and this is the beginning of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
I'm like it's it is it is so beyond humiliating, and then to watch the pathetic response of our NATO allies, they're they're impotent.
You know, they're just well, we're gonna send an article.
Oh, we're gonna send, I think a hundred uh uh airplanes over for what?
We're gonna put a higher state of preparedness for 8,500 troops in America for what?
We're sending 3,000 troops to Europe for what?
We're not gonna do a thing.
Joe's not gonna lift a finger.
I'm not saying we should either.
The way to counter Putin is to defeat him financially.
How do you defeat Putin financially?
You outproduce energy in this battle over energy.
Joe Biden has artificially reduced the world supply with his ridiculous, you know, adherence to the cult of climate change religion that guides this entire socialist party.
And we've now dramatically reduced the world's supply of energy, and this is now dramatically increased the price of energy, the lifeblood of the world's economy, and we're all feeling the impact of it, and that's where 40%, you know, a 40-year high of inflation is that number comes from in large part because everything we buy at every store is costing more, costing more to fill up your tank, costing more to heat and cool your home.
Everything is caused by this artificially low supply of energy.
And Joe's answer up heretofore has been to just beg our friends at OPEC, they're not our friends, and beg Russia and import oil from Russia of all places when we have far more natural resources than they do.
And if we were really smart, it would be good for our national security and it would be good for economic security in this country to be energy independent again, like when Joe first became president, he was handed energy independence.
America was a net exporter of energy.
If we were still a net exporter of energy, guess what?
Putin would not have the freedom or money that he has now to be pursuing these territorial ambitions.
We could be supplying our Western European allies with their energy needs.
Instead, Joe's policies have literally pushed NATO right into the arms and our allies, Western European allies, right into the arms of Vladimir Putin, the hostile actor that he is.
And now with impunity, he probably will take the entire country because he doesn't recognize Ukraine as a sovereign country.
And there's not a thing that Joe is ever gonna do that is gonna stop Vladimir Putin's ambitions.
Nothing.
Here's Trump, though.
Listen to Trump.
This is from 2018.
This is Donald Trump.
NATO beating the crap out of him.
Mike Pompeo's sitting right next to him.
Well, I have to say I think uh it's very sad when Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia, where you're supposed to be guarding against Russia, and Germany goes out and pays billions and billions of dollars a year to Russia.
So we're protecting Germany, we're protecting France, we're protecting all of these countries, and then numerous of the countries go out and make a pipeline deal with Russia where they're paying billions of dollars into the coffers of Russia.
So we're supposed to protect you against Russia, but they're paying billions of dollars to Russia, and I think that's very inappropriate.
And the former chancellor of Germany is the head of the pipeline company that's supplying the gas.
Uh ultimately Germany will have almost 70% of their country controlled by Russia with natural gas.
So you tell me, is that appropriate?
I mean, we've been complaining about this from the time I got it, and it should have never been allowed to have happened.
But Germany is totally controlled by Russia because they were getting from 60 to 70 percent of their energy from Russia and a new pipeline.
And you tell me if that's appropriate, because I think it's not.
And I think it's a very bad thing for NATO, and I don't think it should have happened.
And I think we have to talk to Germany about it.
On top of that, Germany is just paying a little bit over one percent.
Whereas the United States in actual numbers is paying 4.2% of a much larger GDP.
So I think that's inappropriate also.
You know, we're protecting Germany, we're protecting France, we're protecting everybody, and yet we're paying a lot of money to protect.
Now, this has been going on for decades.
This has been brought up by other presidents, but other presidents never did anything about it, because I don't think they understood it, or they just didn't want to get involved.
But I have to bring it up because I think it's very unfair to our country, it's very unfair to our taxpayer.
And I think that these countries have to step it up, not over a 10-year period, they have to step it up immediately.
Germany is a rich country.
They talk about they're going to increase it a tiny bit by 2030.
Well, they could increase it immediately tomorrow and have no problem.
I don't think it's fair to the United States.
So we're gonna have to do something because we're not gonna put up with it.
We can't put up with it, and it's inappropriate.
So we have to talk about the billions and billions of dollars that's being paid to the country that we're supposed to be protecting you against.
You know, everybody's everybody's talking about it all over the world.
They'll say, well, wait a minute, we're supposed to be protecting you from Russia, but why are you paying billions of dollars to Russia for energy?
Why are countries in NATO, namely Germany, having a large percentage of their energy needs paid, you know, to Russia and taken care of by Russia.
Now, if you look at it, Germany is a captive of Russia because they supply they got rid of their coal plants, they got rid of their nuclear, they're getting so much of the oil and gas from Russia.
I think it's something that NATO has to look at.
I think it's very inappropriate.
You and I agree that it's inappropriate.
I don't know what you can do about it now, but it certainly doesn't seem to make sense that they pay billions of dollars to Russia, and now we have to defend them against Russia.
You know, NATO is the nine so trendy nine nations and uh there are sometimes differences on the different views and also some disagreements on the gas uh uh from Russia to Germany, it's the only issue where allies uh disagree.
But the strength of NATO is the point of these differences.
We have always been able to unite around our to protect and defend each other because we are stronger together than two world wars on the Cold War folk.
We'll start uh we are stronger together than on the former.
Um how can you be together when a country is getting its energy from the person you want protection against or from the group that you want protection?
Because we understand that uh when we stand together also in uh dealing with Russia, we are stronger.
I think what we have seen is not a you're just making Russia richer.
Well, not dealing with Russia, you're making Russia richer.
Well, I mean, how relevant is all of that to where we are today?
It it is so relevant.
Oh, but we're we're going to we're gonna go in there and we're gonna we're gonna what?
You know, Pompeo put it right, he's on TV tonight, he said it on this program yesterday that Putin's gonna interrupt Biden's weak response as a green light to invade Ukraine.
You know, this minor incursion at this point, it's only gonna get bigger.
You know, Russian invasion of Ukraine would not be the largest military action since World War II.
The Biden White House has been claiming over the last few weeks that this invasion would be the largest operation of its kind, but with 190,000 Russian troops amassed along the Ukraine border.
Certainly sounds plausible, except there's one big problem, and that would be in 56, then Soviet Union, the Soviet Union under Nick uh under Nikita Khrushchev put down the Hungarian revolution, and Hungary is considerably further away from Russian territory than Ukraine.
Whoopsie Daisy.
European leaders disagree with Biden over whether Russia has invaded Ukraine.
Because they're dependent on Russia.
Financially, because we're not doing our job, because the climate change cult alarmists have taken over the entire Democratic Socialist Party.
Now, am I saying that we should get involved in any type of war?
No, not at all.
I'm saying defeat Putin financially.
I'll produce him with energy.
Provide our allies all their energy needs.
And we'd be great for our economy.
It would reduce this record high inflation, and it'll be great for foreign policy, because guess what?
We won't have to care what goes on in the Middle East or the Straits of Hormuz or any other areas of conflict that exist in the world.
Germany, a little late.
They suspended the North Stream 2 pipeline, but where are they going to get their energy needs fulfilled from next?
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George is in Mississippi.
George, how are you?
Glad you called.
I am good.
How are you today?
I'm good, sir.
What's going on?
Good.
All right.
Well, uh, just a couple of things.
Uh, real quick.
Uh, number one, this uh bit with Ukraine.
Uh obviously one person there that's uh made this possible.
So you said earlier, maybe you should run for president.
Do it.
Uh George, you must really not like me.
Do you ever see what happens to anybody that runs for president?
They get I I get the crap beat out of me enough.
I mean, you really want to put me in that environment every day.
There you go.
Uh the other thing though I'm you know, looking forward to in November, I hope uh the conservatives obviously take over the Senate and the House.
And my question there is would they have the ability to rescind the impeachments against Trump?
Would they have the chance to rescind them?
I don't know.
That's a good question.
I don't know.
I don't think so, because I think it's he was impeached.
So do you get to have another Congress overturn that?
I not that I know of.
Is it possible?
I have no I I don't to me, it's irrelevant.
I think they'd impeach Trump because they didn't like the way he eats a hamburger.
So it's to me that was all of it's irrelevant.
Well, I mean, everything that was put forward there was just politically put together and it just wasn't fair, and it wasn't true a lot of it.
So I think you might have an ability to change the post presidency impeachment attempt of the Democrats.
That but I I wonder about the constitutionality of that.
I will say this is I I think if you look at every attack that Donald Trump is under right now, for example, Georgia is investigating Donald Trump.
Uh New York is investigating Donald Trump.
The January 6th committee, you know, it's interesting they're gonna bring in, I guess, national the National Guard for, you know, if the truckers convoy makes it to DC, Donald Trump had authorized, according to Mark Meadows, Cash Patel, and President Trump himself on January 4th, calling up up to 20,000 troops, uh as required by law.
Then, of course, then the chain of command went to Nancy Pelosi, whose charge it is to secure the Capitol, and Muriel Bowser, whose jurisdiction it is in, and they both rejected what Donald Trump offered them.
Had they taken the 20,000 troops and brought them in as the Capitol Police Chief begged for six separate times, then January 6th never would have happened.
It's interesting that uh there's no interest in that committee to bring in Nancy Pelosi or Muriel Bowser or the sergeant of arms or the Capitol Police Chief, uh, and have them answer questions as to why didn't you call up the guard?
You knew you knew what had happened the previous summer, you knew how big the crowds were, you knew they were going to march to the Capitol, you knew the president had authorized the troops.
Why?
You know there's always gonna be bad actors in any large crowd like that.
You knew tensions in the country were high, you know.
But according to the chairman, the chairman said, no, Nancy Pelosi's off limits.
As you know, uh the speaker, she made a major decision.
Uh our Speaker Pelosi's decisions on and ahead of January 6th.
Do you believe that would also be fair game for Republicans?
Uh uh if they join this committee to investigate.
Well, no, I I don't will.
But anyway, we'll see what happens.
Yeah, let's let's crack the heads of the peaceful, the real peaceful protesters were in Canada.
And they were, you know, they were the tru they were the truckers, and they got their heads cracked.
And you know, the little wannabe Putin dictator himself, little Justin, you know, keeps his emergency powers.
Rand Paul is right.
We better pay attention to this because I can guarantee you there are many socialist democrats that want that power here.
All right, that's gonna wrap things up for today.
Hannity tonight, nine Eastern on the Fox News Channel.
Full coverage of Joe's pathetic response to Vladimir and uh the invasion of Ukraine and how far this goes.
Jennifer Griffin uh reporting Lucas Tomlison is in Ukraine.
Uh we'll get reaction from Rick Perry on the energy uh side of this.
Mike Pompeo tonight, Tammy Bruce, Caitlin Jenner, Pam Bondi, Senator Scott, much more.