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As we announced, actually had the first interview with Dr. Oz making his announcement that he is running for the Senate in Pennsylvania.
I keep saying there's a lot at stake now, less than a year away, and that is that not only is the House of Representatives up for grabs, which would stop the Biden agenda dead in its tracks, but you've got, you know, you want to talk about bellwether Senate race.
You've got Florida, you've got North Carolina, you've got South Carolina, you got Georgia, you got New Hampshire, you got Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Ohio, Arizona, Nevada.
I mean, that is a bellwether Senate election.
And good candidates are in, you know, Republicans, if they want to win these states, they better be putting forth good candidates.
I've known Dr. Oz.
All of you have known him.
He's been on the show many, many times before, especially in the early days of COVID.
I quote him still to this day.
You fight with the army you have, not the army you wish that you had.
In other words, looking for any anecdotal information, therapeutics that might mitigate, would we prefer peer-reviewed study?
Sure, but we didn't have time.
We wanted to save lives.
Anyway, he put this ad out in the lead up to his announcement.
My parents came to America to find a better life, and they did.
I attended great universities, raised a family, and became a successful surgeon.
I invented a heart valve that saves thousands of lives.
Then I started a TV show to advocate for you taking control of your health and took on the medical establishment to argue against costly drugs and skyrocketing medical bills.
But COVID has shown us that our system is broken.
We lost too many lives, too many jobs, and too many opportunities because Washington got it wrong.
They took away our freedom without making us safer and tried to kill our spirit and our dignity.
As a heart surgeon, I know how precious life is.
Pennsylvania needs a conservative who will put America first, one who can reignite our divine spark, bravely fight for freedom, and tell it like it is.
That's why I'm running for Senate.
I'm Dr. Oz, and I approve this message.
All right, Dr. Oz joins us now.
When we first had a conversation about this, I did tell you that, you know, you're stepping into a lion's den and that this is a real blood sport.
And I think I've been proven right already.
You're definitely right.
You actually, to be honest with everybody, offer me condolences.
I did.
I said you're out of your mind.
Let's first talk about your area of expertise, and that is medicine.
And there's a great New York Post editorial today, no more lockdowns, and specifically about Omicron.
We're hearing from medical doctors in South Africa that are suggesting only mild symptoms are appearing with this variant, but it may be more contagious.
That's the early read on it.
Your take?
We literally don't know anything.
We don't know if it's more contagious.
We don't really know if it's more of a problem if you get it.
We don't know if it makes you resistant to infection if you've been vaccinated or not.
And one of the things that's really despicable that I'm witnessing, and we've talked about this, and God bless you for carrying this baton, because one of the biggest problems in America, and one of the reasons I'm running, is you cannot say what you see with your own plain eyes anymore.
And in medicine, people die when you don't say what you see.
So early on, it was pretty apparent.
We follow through now.
We see things changing that we never imagined before.
Like the head of a major pharmaceutical company who makes the vaccine and therefore has a clear conflict of interest, getting ahead of the news, saying, you know, I don't know if we're going to work so well.
We're going to try to make a new vaccine so you can now get a different kind of booster once you've already had your current booster.
Those are not conversations that ought to be had by people who have financial interest in the outcome.
And unfortunately, we've begun to ignore all that.
And there are other reasons that people shouldn't talk openly about some of these ideas without really doing their homework.
If they believe they have an agenda that they want you shut down or they want to be able to control what you're saying, then they'll say things that scare people because when you scare people, they start to pull back a little bit.
They'll start to take instruction.
And oftentimes what you find, and I don't know if you've experienced this in your life, but it happens in many walks of life, you're in a scary situation.
Someone grabs control and starts barking out orders, not knowing if those are the right orders.
And so what happened with COVID was two weeks, right, to bend the curve, we had no idea what we were dealing with.
Everyone said, okay, I'm in.
You know, I'll take one for the team.
I'll do what's necessary.
That metastasized into this authoritarian overreach that now has conditioned many Americans, especially Americans on the left side of the aisle, to just want to believe this stuff.
Some of the numbers are shocking to me.
The average Democrat thinks the chance of you getting hospitalized with COVID is 30%.
That's a massive number.
The true number, by the way, is less than one-tenth of that.
And so you get people scared.
They begin to believe the narrative that's not true.
This week, this week, and I'll get off my pedestal, the U.S. government's FDA panel, not even the FDA, the panel that advises them, finally, finally looked at the data on one of the pills that's been shown to dramatically reduce mortality and hospitalization from COVID.
The first pill, almost two years in, that will be allowed to be prescribed to patients if they get COVID.
My goodness, we talked about this in the very early days.
Americans will take pills.
Doctors send patients home with pills to treat the problem.
We have pills that were available before COVID started, like the one that's discussed this week by the FDA.
It's been in existence for years.
Only now are we finally going to be able to give it to patients.
What happened?
How is it possible that that not reach our fingertips so we could prescribe it to our patients?
It was already out there the whole time.
It's unbelievable.
You know, I guess I'm a little bit of a rarity because I believe in freedom.
I think the debate over vaccines or not vacc is over.
But I also believe in medical privacy and doctor patient confidentiality.
And I think most people have made up their mind on it.
I don't want to spend all the time on COVID because we could talk for five hours on it.
I want to first get into the issue of, you know, here you are, one of the most successful syndicated programs on television.
And that is usually for the host the most profitable area to be in terms of the marketplace, in terms of financial success and everything else.
And you've had this show that has been highly successful.
And you're giving all of this up now.
And you're giving it up to run for the Senate and throw yourself into this blood sport called politics.
My first question is why?
And then we can talk about very specific positions you have.
I want to serve my country.
Everything you said is true.
And many of my friends really did write me offering condolences.
They were thoughtful and honorable in their notes, but they were basically saying, what's wrong with you?
Why would you give all that up?
The comfort of an existence where people aren't criticizing you or making stories up about you, the ability just to go to work and earn a living, a very, very good living that you've worked your hard your whole life to set up.
My parents were immigrants.
They came to this country.
They ran from the darkness that was out there and came to this country to the bright light that we offered.
And I owe a debt, and I want to pay my debt.
And serving my country, which I hope to do if people vote for me, is a way that I can show up in the lives of people who deserve help.
And I got to say, I was successful on television because I fought to empower you, the people listening to this show right now.
I fought to empower my patients.
I took on big pharma.
I had major companies boycott me for years because I said things that were truthful about the way that drugs work with other drugs and interactions that you can't predict and the fact that we're too dependent on them.
I took on big technology.
I literally went to the Senate to take on Facebook, Amazon, the guys who I thought were perverting the system, in particular because they were lying about advertisements about me and many others.
And I realized how difficult it is when you have big, powerful entities thwarting the rule of law.
I took on big agrochemical companies.
I've got the scars to prove it.
And I cannot be bought, Sean, as you know.
I just will go to the map for my patients and for my viewers, and I hope now for the voters of Pennsylvania.
But if you don't do it now, what are you going to do it?
What are you going to do hoarding all this when people are climbing over your walls because they're starved for honor, for dignity, for a job?
And I would be angry too if I was much of America.
America deserves better, and I want to be part of that movement.
Let me ask you, because already the attacks have begun pretty much full force.
Claims that you don't live in Pennsylvania, claims that you support red flag laws and you don't support the Second Amendment.
Why don't we start with those two, and then I'll go down a list and we can go through it rather quickly.
You can give me quick summaries of where you stand.
I grew up just over the border south of Philadelphia where I am now.
I went to medical school at Penn.
I went to business school at Wharton.
I met my wife, married her in Philadelphia, which was the best thing I ever did in my life 36 years ago.
Had two kids in Pennsylvania, and we moved back home where my wife's family's been for 100 years last year.
I love coming back home, and I love Pennsylvania.
So I just don't see the arguments.
So your job took you out of New York.
By the way, it took me out of, I grew up in Long Island, but I lived five years from Rhode Island, five years in California, two years in Alabama, four years in Georgia.
And then I kind of got lucky and got hired by Fox News when it first went on the air.
But the odds of me making it back to New York to to follow my dream, which was radio at the time, my odds were not high.
All right.
Let's go through a list of issues here.
Let me answer your gun question, because that, you know, that has come up.
I'm strongly pro the Second Amendment.
I believe that people ought to earn their dignity in life in many ways.
One of the ways is you get a gun.
You're allowed to have it.
It's in the Constitution for a reason.
There's no way around that.
And there are many smart things we can do with our guns, like protect ourselves.
I own a lot of guns.
I have a carry-concealed gun license in Pennsylvania.
And I don't think there's going to be a huge debate among the people who are going to vote for me about guns.
We're all supportive of them.
Quick break right back more with Dr. Oz.
He just announced his candidacy.
He's running for the Senate in the great state of Pennsylvania.
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All right, as we continue with Dr. Oz, who just made his announcement, he's running for the Republican nomination for Senate in the great state of Pennsylvania.
Let's talk more.
Let's start with one big issue.
We see the president is pushing his Build Back Better New Green Deal socialism, higher taxes, corporate taxes, taxes, pretty much capital gains taxes.
We see the impact that the policies have had on the economy.
They've not been good.
Where do you stand on taxes?
Do you support raising any?
Do you support cutting any?
Do you support lessening the burden of regulation that seems to be a stranglehold on many businesses these days?
I think I can spend my money better than the government can spend my money.
And I suspect just about everyone listening would agree with that.
I would not raise taxes.
And I definitely don't think we should throw money at problems that are going to put us more in debt.
The issue with debt is not just inflation.
And inflation is a vital problem.
And I bet it'll be one of the biggest issues for voters in the next cycle.
And because it erodes your savings.
And you remember, jobs are not just about dignity.
And they're critical for that.
And they give you purpose, but they're important for savings.
So you actually have something in your family that you can pass on.
But when that's eroded by inflation, it strips the very guts out of the working man's life.
And it brings incredible stress into their lives as well because you don't control your destiny.
It doesn't matter how much more you earn because the debt's gotten worse.
But I want to take it one step further.
The big problem with $29 trillion of debt is you start to challenge the validity of the U.S. dollar.
Let me just explain this because it's really critical.
This is a national security issue.
Our country is able to do what it does because the entire planet says the U.S. dollar is backed by the power of the U.S. government.
They're good people.
Americans will always defend their currency.
So we're going to use it as our currency, right?
People trade their stuff to get dollars.
If the U.S. dollar no longer has its value, people don't trust it, you no longer can just print dollars.
You then run into a crisis, which believe me, other countries would love to see, where the dollar no longer becomes the currency of the world.
And then you start to threaten the basic economic structure of our nation.
These are issues that are not just esoteric or maybe they'll never happen.
It will happen, believe me.
This is what bankrupts countries, which is why we have to defend their economy by being responsible.
Nobody running a household would ever run up this kind of debt.
They would never think about it.
We keep throwing money at this because feckless leaders are unwilling to make difficult decisions.
Where would you stand advising consent?
It would be part of your role to choose justices, for example, to serve on the Supreme Court.
We have this big case, the Mississippi law, prohibiting abortions after 15 weeks.
Arguments were heard yesterday.
And right now, Roe allows for 22 to 24 weeks for legal abortion.
With medical advancement, many make the argument that what is growing inside of a woman is viable at 15 weeks.
And that law would restrict abortion after 15 weeks.
Where do you stand on your, you know, what are you looking for in a justice?
And what do you feel about this argument?
I'm 100% pro-life.
I'm a doctor.
I believe in the sanctity of life.
And President Trump appointed constitutional justices, which is just what I'm saying.
Do you make any exceptions for rape, incest, or mother's life?
Yes, the three exceptions, especially the mother's life.
You would never want to put one life in danger for another if you can avoid it.
And rape and incest, obviously, are concerns that many Americans would share.
But other than those three exceptions, I'm 100% pro-life.
And I do want the justices to make their decisions based on what the Constitution says.
It is a beautiful document.
As people understand the history of our country and the importance of the Constitution, they'll realize why people like me and you feel so strongly about that.
All right, we've got to take a break.
We'll come back.
Dr. Oz is with us.
We'll go through a list of other positions, where he stands on it.
This race in Pennsylvania is very critical if the Republicans have any chance of taking back the Senate in less than a year now.
He's thrown his hat in the ring.
He's in looking to get nominated as a Republican candidate.
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I keep telling everybody this is a tipping point midterm election coming up in less than a year.
And not only can the Republicans retake the House, which would stop the Biden, you know, build back better new Green Deal socialism disaster, but the Senate is up for grabs as well.
You have every swing state in play, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Arizona, Nevada.
I mean, it doesn't get any more bellwether than this.
And we have on the line, he just announced his candidacy in Pennsylvania.
Dr. Oz is willing to walk away from a lucrative television career and serve the people of Pennsylvania.
That was one thing that caught my attention in the conversations we had leading up to your announcement, because we did have a number of conversations about it.
And I told you you were crazy to run.
It's a very dark world, the world of politics.
And you kept saying over and over again, I want to serve the people of Pennsylvania.
But you said it so often, it kind of caught my attention, and I'm like, huh.
Most politicians really aren't serving their constituents.
They seem to love to be called a senator or governor or congressman or woman.
And you've had fame.
You've had the money.
You've had all of that.
You don't need this crap, to be very honest.
Well, it's interesting you say that because my wife and I were talking about this last night, Lisa was your biggest fan.
And I said, I just want to be called doctor.
I've earned that.
I studied hard for it.
And it's a calling.
I love that.
I don't ever need to be called senator.
And one interesting thing about entering the race is despite all the wacky articles written about me, I'm getting called by all these big magazines.
I've been invited on every late-night comedy show, every morning news show, and all these big magazines.
I'm not going to do any of them.
First of all, I've done them all.
It's like effervescent bubbles coming out of a soft drink.
The first sip tastes good, but there's no depth to that.
The joy, the deep, passionate feeling of good that comes from helping others, unimaginable.
When I sit in the operating room and look at the patient that's across from me and we connect, which is what I do always.
I never want to go to the OR without that patient knowing I care about them and nobody else.
That's the Hippocratic Oath.
That's the bond that gives me those chills that makes you feel like life is worth it.
That no matter what's going on outside of that, there's something so special about each other.
That's why I spoke in that commercial you kindly showed in the beginning that we need to see the divine spark in each other.
There's something unique about who we are, and we all have it.
And sometimes we forget it in the morass of craziness that happens.
I don't care about anything else but that spark being lit up again in our lives.
And serving your fellow man, and which I will always do and I've always done, is a way of doing it.
Doing it as a representative of the people in government offers a lot of opportunity.
One of the reasons I felt I could serve in this context is that, you know, in the state of Pennsylvania, is that I have 94% name awareness.
So I don't have to say crazy things to get noticed.
I can say things like we've been talking about now that most people are probably, I hope, nodding their heads yes and saying, you know, I get that.
I'm for that.
Or I don't agree with him, but I'm honored that he said it because he believes it.
Those are all fine with me.
And I don't want to be saying things and dancing around private interests.
And I represent you, only you.
And that's the only goal I have.
Let me ask you, I think one of the worst decisions Joe Biden made was, you know, giving up energy independence.
It's now resulted in him on multiple occasions begging OPEC to increase production of oil.
We're paying about $1.50 more a gallon, $20, $25, $30 more to fill up your tank.
It's a lot of money.
It's disproportionately, negatively impacting the poor and the middle class in this country.
It's adding to the inflation problem.
We're now at a 31-year high with inflation.
It's also important, it's very important to the economy of Pennsylvania.
Where do you stand on energy, energy independence, fracking, oil, gas, coal?
Energy independence is not just a nice thing to say, and wouldn't it be nice?
It is a national security issue.
You can't go through and fight the battles we have to fight in this world to keep America and our values preeminent unless you have energy independence.
Fracking is something I looked at very carefully.
You can spread all kinds of rumors about fracking, but it works.
It seems to be able to do things that otherwise we wouldn't be able to do in keeping ourselves energy independent.
And it should be a major force of our country to make sure that we take advantage of every tool to stay energy independent, re-examining every opportunity out there.
But I'll tell you one thing for sure, as a scientist, I'll say this.
The Green New Deal is a dishonest program.
It's not about is it worth the money or not, or will it work for global warming?
It can't be done the way it's currently designed.
The technology does not exist.
The batteries aren't there.
The elements that we would need for the battery power are controlled by primarily three countries, which are despotic countries.
So we will be ceding the control of the energy supply of the planet to countries that we can't trust, and they can't even do it for several decades.
So forget about spending money on investing.
Of course, they want to spend money on green approaches, and we want to spend money on making carbon more efficient and better for the environment.
All those things need to happen.
But we should not put blinders on because the op-ed pages of liberal media say we got to do this way, otherwise we're bad people, and ignore the massively destructive effect of giving up on carbon-based fuels.
Make them better, make them work for us.
In the meantime, we can develop the green tools.
But it will take us decades.
Let me move on to the issue.
You mentioned your parents both came to this country legally.
They came from Turkey.
I have been reading people attacking the fact that you have dual citizenship with Turkey.
I want to give you a chance to address immigration.
And, you know, welcome to the world of politics.
You get attacked for everything.
I was born as a dual citizen.
My parents were Turkish.
I was born in this country.
And both countries, they're allied countries.
Turkey is the largest force in NATO.
It is the southern protection against Russia.
And so growing up as a dual citizen, I was obligated to serve for two months in the Turkish army.
Otherwise, I would never be allowed to go back to see my family in Turkey.
So my father at the time, this is, I was, you know, a kid just fresh out of college.
My father called the American embassy, and they said, yes, it's an allied country.
He's allowed to do it.
He will not compromise his U.S. citizenship.
I served my two months.
And when I got out, I had the choice.
I came back, lived in America for the rest of my life, doing what I want to do, which is to serve people living in this country, a country that we have huge debt to.
I'm very proud of that.
I've gone back and tried my best to help when there are humanitarian crises.
I've lectured.
I've done surgery in Turkey.
I helped with the Syrian border where there were refugees, millions of people fleeing.
I even noticed you got attacked for that, doing humanitarian work.
I mean, I'm going trying to help human beings with nothing.
They have the best refugee camps, not that you want to have refugee camps, but the best refugee camps in the world, acknowledged by the United Nations in southern Turkey, to take care of these poor people fleeing from a terrible war that had been raging there, still continuing some places.
And I'm going to do that.
I will serve people.
It doesn't matter if the people that are out there attacking me say things that are half-truths or blatantly dishonest.
Why would you not want to help people with nothing?
Let me move on to the issue of immigration just more specifically.
I support legal immigration, but I would say that we need some caveats.
We learned a lot from this pandemic.
I think you need a health check.
Right now, illegal immigrants, there's no COVID test.
We're told, oh, because they're not going to be here very long, and that turns out to be a lie.
And they don't have vaccine, quote, mandates for illegal immigrants either.
And they're moving illegal immigrants out of these overcrowded cages in the middle of a pandemic that Joe Biden built into every state in the country.
I support, for example, legal immigration.
I don't really care where you come from, as long as we check that you don't have radical associations in the middle of a pandemic.
That would include a health check.
And the third thing I would want is to ensure that people show that they have the financial means of taking care of themselves while they are here.
And then welcome to our American family.
I think it's that simple.
It's hard not to agree with everything you said.
Let's just go through it a little bit.
First, the narrative of what's happening at the border.
This is a cartel-organized human trafficking operation.
These people are paying a lot of money, the only money they have in the world many times, to cartels who are putting different colored wristbands on them and shipping them across our border.
And the reason the cartel is able to do this is it works, right?
We have the opportunity to shut it down.
We don't.
Cartel makes money.
By the way, they're also trafficking drugs, had 100,000 people die this year so far of opiates, which is another horrible consequence of our mismanagement of the pandemic.
But if you look at the reality of what's happening on the border, it's not what you're reading on the front page of the media.
It's actually what I'm describing, well-vetted.
And we're putting our law enforcement at the border in an untenable position.
You can't have people come into the country and then say, go off and come back when we call you for your hearing.
They don't come back.
It's like an IQ test.
And I think these are the kinds of misguided judgments that are hurting us.
I think what President Trump did made sense.
Force people to stay on another side of the border, in this case, the southern side of the border, until we decide that you meet asylum criteria.
Otherwise, our law system, our legal system isn't able to cope with this.
There's no way we can test all those people and make sure that they're within the window of security and then ensure that they're getting what needs to be done for that.
In fact, they just join into the social programs of the country, get full care.
You know, and there are many countries where the best health care available is a plane ticket to the U.S.
And they literally say that.
Get on a plane, fly to America.
They'll take care of you.
Let me ask you this, because I'm a big believer that this world is filled with a lot of evil.
I believe that Russia is a hostile regime, Putin a hostile actor.
The Iranian mullahs, God forbid they ever get nuclear weapons.
I believe their radical ideology and nuclear weapons are a prescription for disaster.
I'm concerned about Kim Jong-un.
I'm very concerned about China, especially the aggressive flying of fighter jets over Taiwan airspace, their talk of reunification with Taiwan.
I don't like Putin building up his troops along the Ukrainian border.
It looks like an invasion is forthcoming.
Joe Biden doesn't seem to have any interest in confronting these issues head-on.
That concerns me.
I'm a big believer to sum it up in peace through strength, but I want to know what your philosophy is.
We need a muscular foreign policy.
And it's not just a nice to have kind of thing.
I mean, my show, you kind enough to mention it earlier.
My show is aired in over 100 countries.
I visited many of these countries.
When you go to these different big media outlets, you know what they tell me?
Please fix America.
And I say, well, you know, we're trying to.
Why do you care so much?
They say they care because we are the guiding light for them.
We're the lodestar.
But they're having a problem in Singapore.
They say, gosh, we know democracy works because America has one.
Let's fix ours.
If America doesn't succeed, it no longer is the shining city on the hill, then people start to think that democracy won't work because there's no example of it working as well as it works in America.
So we need to be on our best game to lead the work, the world, to allow it to do what it needs to do to become more democratic like we are.
Every example you mentioned involves countries who have the opposite goal.
And remember, they're not trying to make peace with us.
They're not trying to figure it out and work around and trade with us.
No, in their mindset, they must destroy us.
And I'm not being paranoid.
It literally states that.
That's how they reinvent and recreate their ideology.
It must destroy capitalism and the United States for that reason, because with us in the way, their way can't be the best.
So these are existential battles that we're going to have to cope with.
And the more we can unify as a country, the stronger we'll be to deal with that.
And a good example is onsourcing critical resources.
What paralyzed us in COVID, and like I was with you, Sean, If you acknowledge this, but let me just praise you for a second.
Sean would call me at three in the morning, which I didn't mind because he was trying to save the country.
And we'd talk about getting ventilators or how are we going to get more protective gear or what's the best tactic to cure people who are dying.
We had friends, both of us, in ICUs where Tag Team calling people just trying to save lives, trying to get resources.
You were calling foreign countries and trying to find out anything that they see that might be working to help people to save lives.
You made the calls.
I was getting the information from you.
I do have to run.
We obviously kept you longer than we asked for, but this race is pivotal.
And I wanted, I'm reading the attacks and I'm seeing what's going on.
It's all predictable and it's all part of a game that people play.
But you know what?
The country is in bad shape.
And I'm looking for people with the right philosophy that'll stand on principle and really are wanting to go to serve and for the right reasons and help people.
And I'm listening to you and I'm hearing that.
And it's refreshing, to be honest, because I interview a lot of politicians and most of them are out for themselves, but that's just my own criticism.
But we're going to follow this race very closely.
Dr. Oz running for the Senate in the great state of Pennsylvania for the Republican nomination.
And then a year from now, less than a year from now, we'll have an election.
And this is a must-win state for Republicans.
We wish you the best.
Thank you for sharing your time, your thoughts, and being so forthright on where you stand on the issues.
We appreciate it.
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