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Toll-free 800 nine four one Sean, toll-free telephone number, Mitch McConnell uh laying out the groundwork uh just moments ago about how the now 16 hours of long questioning is gonna go.
Uh, then they'll have the battle the over witnesses, which I have a lot to weigh in on.
Mitch McConnell earlier today, the Hill reporting that uh, I guess reminding some of the wobbly, weak, uh, oh, what do I do?
I don't want my constituents to be me mad at me.
Why would they why any Republican senator would ever lend legitimacy to this Schumer Schiff show?
I mean, it was a it was a knockdown, brutal takedown end of fight in the in the two hours they did Saturday.
I mean, between Seculo and Sipolloni and Pam Bondi on the Bidens and Dershowitz on the Constitution and on Bolton.
It's just every question is answered.
This was so frustrating to me.
Watching all of this, this shift show.
How did how is it even possible we are here?
How is this possible?
Especially knowing all that we know.
It really shouldn't be.
All the discussion, bombshell, bombshell.
We put a montage together.
Now I've had montages put together of every single solitary year.
I won't play them all now because it'll take an hour of every report, everybody in the mob in the media, bombshell, bombshell, bombshell, stormy, bombshell, Russia, bombshell, bombshell, bombshell, bombshell, bombshell.
And now we have just the bombshells about John Bolton.
But remember, okay, these facts never change.
It doesn't matter whether or not John Bolton is going to say whatever the New York Times secret anonymous source is telling us he's gonna say that his lawyer won't confirm about well, I think the president said that he wanted to withhold money from Ukraine uh until they investigated the Bidens and until they did this, this, this, this, and this.
Let's say Bolton is telling the truth.
Well, let's say he says it.
Let's say he writes about it, and let's say it's true.
Let's just take that for a second.
All right, now I would imagine I'm a pretty fairly, well, it could be disputed normal person.
In the course of your day, how many thoughts cross your head?
How many times do you think something even bad about somebody?
How many times, maybe in your life have you ever said, Oh, I'm gonna kill that person?
Uh okay, but you don't.
You don't kill that person.
Hmm.
That means you've committed murder?
Nope.
You didn't.
You thought about it, maybe.
Maybe even serious, which would be probably you need help.
The idea, we have the transcripts.
There's two of them, but the main one.
The July 24th phone call with the president and President Zelensky of Ukraine.
We have it.
The president willingly released it on the phone call.
They never discussed any aid.
Now, both Zelensky, the foreign minister, the president, and the other 350,000 people that the president knew was on the call.
Well, they have said there was no pushing.
We have the transcript.
It shows there was no pushing, no pressure, no linkage.
No quid or pro or quo like Joe.
None whatsoever.
Don't, if you do this or say you'll do this, I'll give you the security assistance dollars.
That never happened.
Nobody even says it happens.
That's why, that's why the compromise corrupt congenital liar made up a new transcript.
You know, the Ukrainians didn't even know at the time that aid was being delayed temporarily.
The president talked on that call about corruption and that the new president was seemed to be hanging out with some of the corrupt uh people from the last administration in Ukraine, Poshenko's administration.
Anyway, so but they didn't even know.
Now, they got the aid, and some of it even they got early.
They got the aid money early.
Did the Ukrainians take any action as it relates to any investigation into the Bidens?
Nope.
Did they promise to take any action as it relates to an investigation into the Bidens?
Nope.
Did they ever take, although we have evidence Ukraine independently, separate and apart from Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia?
You know, did they ever start an investigation into that?
Nope.
Did they ever promise to start an investigation?
Nope.
They took no action.
They promised no action.
They announced no action.
So let's say the president let's give Bolted if it's true in the manuscript from the, you know, anonymous source.
Maybe it's one of those lucky moments that the New York Times gets right.
After two and a half years, they actually got one thing right that the dirty Clinton bought and paid for Russian dossier was likely Russian misinformation from the get-go.
That would be to hurt Trump.
Those facts never changed.
They did nothing and they got the money.
They never pledged to do anything.
They got the money.
One fact witness actually asked the president, what do you want specifically?
Nothing.
No quid or pro or quo.
It never changes.
It doesn't change.
There's the all of this noise.
It comes down to that.
Facts, truth, matter.
But you wouldn't know it if you watch your corrupt, and they are so corrupt.
And I mean the media mob in this country.
Everything to them regarding Donald Trump is a bombshell.
Now, what did I say last week?
I said, you know, the reason I feel pretty good, we're now 280 days away before we hear from the ultimate jury.
The ultimate jury is you, we, the American people.
You in 280 days, by the way, earlier, and if you want to know when early voting starts and absentee voting and registration, you need to do it.
Go to Hannity.com.
It's it's an informational map for you.
We put up there for your benefit, so that you can participate in 280 days.
But, you know, we now know you get to shock the world again.
And I kind of, I don't know what's gonna happen.
Joe Scarborough thinks people like me are living in a bubble.
Maybe he's right.
Maybe I'll say, Joe, you were right.
I was living in a bubble, I guess.
Because I think Trump, although I'm kind of suspicious all the time, it's hard for Republicans to win.
You gotta get North Carolina, you gotta get Ohio, Florida.
Uh, you gotta, you gotta kind of run the table.
You gotta pick off Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, maybe Minnesota would be in play this year.
You gotta get Florida.
You know, you got to pick up Arizona.
We're looking for Nevada, we're looking for New Mexico, New Hampshire.
Oh, I would like to think all these states are in play.
I'd like to think that the record-breaking economy and all the foreign policy success would be fine.
So I think that the president, yeah, are you better off than you were four years ago?
Looking but looking pretty darn good by every measure.
The president keep his word.
Well, he kept every promise he said.
Every single one of them.
I've run the checklist over on this program and on TV constantly.
Nobody else does it.
I'll I guess I'll have to keep doing it.
And the next thing, okay.
Now, did the president, has the president lost any of the support that he had from 2016?
Nope.
I don't really see any attrition at all.
You know what I see?
Angry.
You know, Walmart buying Trump supporters.
That's what I see.
And they're more energized than ever.
Now, the president took the extra, what, 13 million more Americans on food stamps?
Eight of them are now off of food stamps.
Wow.
After eight years of Biden Obama, that's a pretty good success rate.
Millions out of poverty.
With the, you know, we have 8 million more Americans in poverty under Biden Obama.
You know, millions off of food stamps.
Good.
We have nearly 8 million new jobs.
We have the president making trade deals everywhere.
Even with China, 220 billion.
So I'm thinking, yeah, he has a good shot at maybe getting some of the people that were left behind in the Biden Obama year.
So I think it looks as good as it can, but I'm suspicious.
I'm Irish.
I always think the next thing's gonna drop on my head.
But I will tell you, we live in strange times.
Let me just play the mop.
Bombshell, bombshell, bombshell.
Listen.
Some of the other headlines that we have to cover this morning for you at 12 minutes past the hour.
All right, so President Trump is denying a bombshell report that claims that he told former National Security Advisor John Bolton to continue freezing aid Ukraine until they launched the political investigations.
He wanted bombshell revelations from former National Security Advisor John Bolton.
The president's own supporters on Capitol Hill scrambling, uh, trying to figure out exactly how to move forward now that this John Bolton bombshell has just absolutely shaken Washington.
Seismic shock.
Hit Capitol Hill like a thunderbolt.
Bombshell, former National Security Advisor John Bolton, ready to turn on the president as news leaks from his explosive new book about what he claims really happened with Ukraine.
And I feel like with the Bolton testimony with this bombshell about the manuscript, an explosive report just out, and it could be a bombshell.
An explosive new account from former national security advisor John Bolton that could undercut the president's case.
I can't take it anymore.
Bombshell to death.
I've got three years of bombshell, bombshell, bombshell.
Manufactured crisis, manual.
Stormy, stormy, stormy, you know, Russia, Russia, Russia, impeach and peach and peach.
Just never ends.
They don't even get new words.
I don't even know why, after watching this absolute knockout beat down, anybody can compare this.
And it frustrates me.
Because they uh they want to drag this out as long as they can.
We all know the net result of all of this.
And the worst part of it to me is the breathtaking hypocrisy.
It is sick.
It is deranged, it is ugly in its lack of adherence to common sense, reason, truth, intellectual honesty.
And that is, yeah, you're not getting the billion unless you fire the prosecutor who's uh investigating my zero experienced son, who's getting paid $83,000 a month, millions and millions of dollars, and that's a month while the average American is making less than $54,000 a year.
I think this is a beatdown for Biden.
Biden's gonna pay a price for this.
And then Republicans, a few of them that are stupid enough to want to take on the constitutional role of the sa uh of the House.
That's not their job.
McConnell telling, having to tell colleagues today, I'll have a chance to ask questions uh later in the week, and then we'll talk about the issue of witnesses.
Good.
I want Hunter.
Zero experienced Hunter, quid pro quo Joe.
I want the compromise congenital liar shif, and I want the non-whleblower hearsay whistleblower, and I want the people that heard him talking about taking down Donald Trump in week two of his presidency.
How's that?
Now, at some point, this is all gonna go away.
Now there is even CNN had to promote the fact that the National Association for Business Economics, they said yesterday fears of a recession have abated.
Businesses are confident about the health of the U.S. economy.
67% of respondents to a survey expect America's GDP to continue growing, while 30% expect it to be even higher than 3%.
In October, only 20% thought that was possible.
Even the Washington Post, their impeachment shock poll finds that Trump is in better shape after the impeachment started.
Whoopsie Daisy sounds like a a backlash to me.
And if you want, get the Gallup poll.
Well, Americans haven't been this satisfied with the direction of their country in nearly 15 years.
68% of Americans satisfied with the economy.
68% satisfied with the nation's security from terrorism.
81% Americans satisfied with the nation's military strength, preparedness, satisfaction with race relations, and the position of African Americans, other racial minorities in the country have both increased since Trump took office.
Wow.
That's why I guess Trump is better positioned than ever to defeat the Democrats in November.
That's why they gotta, you know, bloody him up this way.
And take the country and drag the country down the the down the sewer where they are.
This is what trading a swamp looks like.
And if you missed over there a fake news CNN, oh we got a doozy for you.
If you think irredeemable deplorables and bitter Americans clinging to God and heaven above our creator and and our constitution and our Bibles and religion was bad, and irredeemable deplorables is bad, and you think smelly Walmart, Trump supporters is bad.
Oh, we got a new one.
Because all of it comes down to they and the swamp and the sewer.
They think they're smarter than us.
They have nothing but contempt for the people that make this country great, which is where I was going and got distracted.
I'm gonna tell you something.
This is your moment.
280 days, it's your moment.
You own this.
This is you'll you'll get the government you deserve.
That's all I can say.
I hope you shock the world again.
I can't, I have no idea what's gonna happen.
Nobody does.
Anyone tells you they do, they're lying.
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What I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi.
Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
It's almost a dirty word.
One that connotes conspiracy theory.
Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
You put two and two together.
Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.
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Let me give you a preview of this uh as I went along the last segment and have the news coming up.
Just listen to CNN.
Don Lemon laughing.
Let's listen to how they talk about the American people.
Of course.
He's just trying to demean her, and obviously it's false.
And look, he also knows deep in his heart that Donald Trump couldn't find Ukraine on a map if you had the letter U and a picture of an actual physical crane next to it.
He knows that this is, you know, an administration defined by ignorance of the world.
And so that's partly him playing to their base and playing to their audience.
Uh, you know, the the credulous boomer rube demo that backs Donald Trump.
Um that wants to think that that Donald Trump's a smart one, and they're oh, y'all, y'all, y'all elite us for them.
You would lead us with your geography and your maps and your spelling.
Even though my math and your reading.
Yeah, you're reading, you know.
Your geography, knowing other countries, sipping your latte, all those lines on the map.
Only they may lead us know where Ukraine is.
Sorry, I apologize.
Oh my god.
But you know what?
It was Rick's fault.
I blame Rick.
But in all honesty, I'll get back to this on the other side.
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What I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi.
Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
It's almost a dirty word.
One that connotes conspiracy theory.
Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
You put two and two together.
Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.
I'm Leon Nafok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries.
This is Fiasco Benghazi.
What difference at this point does it make?
Yeah, that's right.
Locker up.
Listen to Fiasco Benghazi on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Oh, uh, there's the compromise corrupt congenital liar subpoenaing John Bolton would have tied us up in court for a long time.
Well, it still can tie you up in court for a long time.
There you go.
Not much you can do.
But I go back.
You know, this is what's frustrating.
It doesn't matter.
If John Bolton says, well, the president was clear, he was talking about it in the White House in the Oval Office.
He said to you he wanted to withhold date until they did A, B, and C. Okay.
Did the Ukrainians ever feel that pressure?
Nope.
They've said so many times.
Zelensky even went as far to say, Well, what the hell is going on with you people over there?
This is bizarre to them.
And so those are the people on the call.
They never felt pressure.
They never felt pushing.
They never saw any linkage of any kind.
And they've been clear.
Maybe we need to call Zelinski.
Uh President Zelensky, will you come and join us for the Schumer Shift Sham show for a couple of days and just reiterate everything you've already said on the record?
The Grannies didn't, they didn't even know that there had been a hold on it.
President was concerned rightly over what?
He was concerned over corruption and said so on the call.
Never talked about aid, but he did talk about corruption.
Now, they got their money, even their money early.
They took no action.
They never started an investigation.
And even more importantly, they never promised to start an investigation.
And maybe even more important than that is they never announced an investigation, and they got all of their money.
And then they had five subsequent meetings, including with the vice president.
I think one was with Pompeo.
I mean, the highest level with Zelensky.
At no time did they ever talk about aid being contingent upon any actions.
Now, why is it important to call zero experience hunter and quid pro quo Joe?
Because, well, the president did mention them on the call.
He also mentioned, well, Ukrainian election interference, and I've been reading a lot about it.
He's probably referring to what people have told him regards to Ukrainian court.
We know the Ukrainian court said Ukraine interfered in our 2016 election on behalf of Hillary.
Perhaps he was also familiar with the January 11th, 2017 political article that was an investigative report.
It takes, you know, they when you print out something on the internet, it says how long it takes to read 22 minutes.
It says it'll take the average person to read their investigative report that chronicles Ukrainian election interference.
And that does not, by the way, in any way, shape, manner, or form uh uh is that a conspiracy theory by conservatives saying it wasn't Russia, it was Ukraine.
They're saying it was Ukraine, not Russia.
No, we're not.
Devin Nunes was right.
Russia, he warned, would interfere in the 2016 election.
Even the New York Times, with their unsourced hearsay, you know, Maggie Haberman piece.
I mean, there's such hacks over at the New York Times.
I mean, maybe they're right this time, but they'd be lucky.
I have no idea what's in John Bolton's head.
I don't really care.
I've invited John Bolton to be on this show.
I've invited John Bolton to be on TV.
John Bolton, you want to talk?
Come on my show.
Known John Bolton a long time, always had a good relationship with him.
I know from people that I've talked to and my sources that John Bolton didn't get along with Mick Mulvaney, didn't get along with Mike Pompeo, and John Bolton was very unhappy that he was let go by the president.
That part I know.
Okay, but if the DOJ and Pompeo and Mulvaney all contradict whatever it is the New York Times is suggesting may or may not be in some manuscript of John Bolton's.
Well, who are you gonna go with?
Well, then a jury would say, oh, that's called conflicting testimony.
And that means it wouldn't go anywhere in the end.
Nobody seems to care.
It just this is who they are.
This defines them.
Doesn't matter how good things are, doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter the quid pro Joe quo joy and zero experience hunter.
Now, for the president, why did he mention them?
Because Joe's on tape bragging about shaking down the country of Ukraine using taxpayer dollars, and doing it so that a prosecutor will be fired, investigating his son, being paid millions, 83,000 a month, while the average American is making less than 54,000 a year.
And that, and the president's, wow, the stuff about Joe and Hunter.
Wow.
He didn't say to investigate them.
He did say do us a favor, get to the bottom of any election interference, which, by the way, is another legitimate thing.
And I guess I was one of the few that have been saying all along, uh, yeah, we really need to, you know, understand the president's role is to faithfully execute the laws of the land.
Now, the president will always say the call was perfect.
It's a perfect call.
Okay.
I don't know if there's such a thing as a perfect call, but I see nothing wrong with the call.
Nothing at all.
Matter of fact, I think Now, in many ways, the Democrats, dumb as they are, that have done nothing for three years except hate Trump, may have done the country a favor.
Because now the country, when they listen to quid pro quo Joe, and they hear the devastating case laid out about the Bidens, and they realize how much money Hunter was making, and we'll have Peter Schweitzer back, his new book, Profiles in Corruption, Abuse of Power by America's Progressive Elite, and there are five separate uh Biden family members to getting rich off of access to Joe.
Wow.
I think that might be room for an investigation.
Now is the media gonna do that?
No.
Now, let me get back to this whole fake news CNN issue.
I guess it's Don Lemon's show.
Um, I met Don Lemon, you know, occasionally, same circles in terms of, and I go out very infrequently.
I mean, I am a hermit.
I'm I'm focused on my jobs.
That's what I do.
Anyway, he uh far-left op-ed writer, some guy named uh whatever I can't even pronounce his name, anti-established Republican.
I guess this was uh what's his name?
Um yeah, Rick Wilson, who was John McCain's guy, I think I'm pretty sure, if I remember correctly.
It's amazing, all the McCain people, Nicole Wallace, Steve Schmidt, and I got along with all them.
I have no problem with any of them.
I get it.
They they don't like Donald Trump, but how they can support all this madness, I don't know.
I guess people like being on television is my my theory or my guess.
That would probably explain liberal Joe.
I don't have a problem with liberal Joe either.
And I don't care that they don't like me, any of them.
Doesn't matter to me.
I don't need to be liked by them.
I I would prefer to do the show that they don't do, and that is not spread lies, hoaxes, conspiracy theories, propaganda, misinformation, and being basically nothing but an extension of the press office of all things radical, extreme, democratic socialist.
I and and of course hate Trump every second of every day.
Now, I mentioned uh Obama that you know, these bitter Pennsylvanians that cling to their their God.
That's a pretty pretty awful thing to say.
I mean, I would think praying to God, believing in your creator, believing that there is the majesty of creation and you know, our founding document that we're endowed by our creator, all rights come from him, their God-given rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
I think that's within American tradition.
One nation under God, that's us.
That's what I always thought.
And by the way, it doesn't have to be one religion.
We believe in religious freedom.
But more important then, of course, we get some other insight, irredeemable deplorables, but clinging to God guns, uh, our constitution, our Bibles and religion.
Wow.
Sounds like contempt for conservatives or Governor Cuomo in New York.
I don't have a problem really with Governor Cuomo.
I totally disagree with his socialist policies.
I think he is pushing people out of New York every day to the detriment of New Yorkers.
But that's my thoughts.
I'm not running for governor.
I couldn't win the governorship in New York.
Uh, and then you got, let's see, irredeemable deplorables, and then the Peter struck Lisa Page, I can smell them from here.
Trump supporters, smelly Walmart choppers.
Wow.
But this takes the cake.
Because listen to how they discuss the American people.
And let me tell you what's at the bottom of all things Trump.
It's not just Donald Trump they hate.
They hate we, the people that elected him.
There's a contempt.
There is a elitism.
There is a disconnect that is so deep.
You know, we're always lectured by the left that we should be inclusive in everything.
But when it comes to, you know, ripping conservatives to shreds, and those people that do all the working and building and paying of taxes and raising their kids and obeying the laws and voting for Donald Trump.
By the way, there's like how many hundreds of thousands of people signed up to get in the New Jersey rally tonight.
New Jersey.
Donald Trump getting, you know, as of like day one, they had a hundred thousand people sign up.
Well, I saw lines on social media today.
They're massive.
Never seen anything like it.
He should have moved into the Meadowlands.
They would have been able to fill it five times over.
Now listen to fake news CNN.
This is this, you know, unfortunately, I would argue is how a lot of the media establishment, this is the New York, DC, San Francisco, LA, leftist, elitist mentality, establishment sounds like the swamp creatures, in other words, listen.
Of course.
He's just trying to demean her, and obviously it's false.
And look, he also knows deep in his heart that Donald Trump couldn't find Ukraine on a map if you had the letter U and a picture of an actual physical crane next to it.
He knows that this is, you know, an administration defined by ignorance of the world.
And so that's partly him playing to their base and playing to their audience.
Uh, you know, the the credulous boomer rube demo that backs Donald Trump.
Um that wants to think that that that Donald Trump's a smart one in there.
Oh, y'all, y'all, y'all will elite us for them.
You would lead us with your geography and your maps and your spelling.
Even though my math and you're reading, yeah, you're reading, you know.
Your geography, knowing other countries, sipping your latte, all those lines on the map.
Only they may lead us to know where Ukraine is.
Sorry, I apologize.
Oh my god, but you know what?
It was Rick's fault.
I blame Rick.
But in all honesty, but all NPR should do not.
Sorry, hold on, wait, wait.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
That was good, sorry.
That was a good one.
I needed that.
This is CNN.
Fake news CNN.
The Rube demo.
You know how old them uh people's is and all that stuff, and you know, reading a map and no lines on the map and geography, and Amalitas are the only ones know what Ukraine is.
Pretty breathtaking, isn't it?
Now, Don Lemon, it's not his first rodeo.
I mean, let's listen to some of the greatest hits of him.
He is given oxygen to racists.
He is clearly trying to ignite a civil war in this country.
This president constantly denigrates people of color and women too.
Let us not mince words.
Let me not mince words here.
This president traffics in racism and is fueled by bullying.
What I saw was a menstrual show today.
Straight out of a dictator's playbook.
For anyone out there, any of you attempting to defend what he did, you're an enabler.
He apparently doesn't care about you or America or the dignity of the office.
How many times will you look the other way?
How can you look at yourselves in the mirror?
How can you?
So we have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized right to the right.
And we have to start doing something about them.
There is no travel ban on them.
There is no ban on, you know, they had the Muslim ban, there is no white guy ban.
So what do we do about that?
No white guy ban, whatever that means.
Uh I'll I'll just let it stay.
Say, I'll let it speak for itself.
This I just don't even have words for it at this point.
Um, and I guess all the the brilliance of these liberal leftist commentators.
Did they get Russia right?
No.
Did they lie for three years?
Yeah.
Did they lie uh to the did they ever investigate Hillary's espionage act, real obstruction of justice?
They ever get into Pfizer abuse and the dirty Russian dossier she paid for, even the New York Times likely Russian disinformation, or the fact that news last week, yeah, the Department of Justice saying that those Pfizer warrants were wrongly obtained.
And they they they premeditated fraud on a Pfizer court by the top people in our justice and FBI.
Not the 99%.
We have spying on a president.
How deep, we'll find out soon enough.
Deeper than what we know now, I'll tell you that.
Likely using allied nations for the purpose of outsourcing intelligence gathering to circumvent American laws.
They get any of that right?
No.
They loved Obama.
How is Obama's economy?
How is Obama's foreign policy?
There's you know, so smart Biden Obama, yeah, we're gonna give him 150 uh uh billion dollars to mullahs in Iran that chant death to America and hope they like us.
Or Bill Clinton trying to bribe Kim Jong-il.
Kim Jong-un's father.
It was a good deal.
American people.
No, it wasn't.
It was a disaster.
We have Republican senators that want to lend legitimacy to this.
Okay, bring in Bolton.
I don't care.
Bring in Pompeo, I guess.
Bring in Mulvaney.
But then bring in Hunter.
And then bring in Joe.
And then bring in Sh sh uh uh the congenital liars compromise Schiff, and then bring in Schiff staff, and then bring in the hearsay whistleblower, and then bring in the people that heard the hearsay whistleblower according to a report, talk about eliminating and getting rid of Trump two weeks into the administration with another Obama holdover.
Let's do it all.
All right, we got Jim Jordan.
We got Jordan Seculo.
Uh Peter Schweitzer is gonna do a deep dive for us, even deeper on how corrupt these liberal elitists are.
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What I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi.
Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
It's almost a dirty word.
One that connotes conspiracy theory.
Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
You put two and two together.
Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.
I'm Leon Nafok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries.
This is Fiasco Benghazi.
What difference at this point does it make?
Yes, that's right.
Locker up.
Listen to Fiasco Benghazi on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Some of the other headlines that we have to cover this morning for you at 12 minutes past the hour.
All right, so President Trump is denying a bombshell report that claims that he told former national security advisor John Bolton to continue freezing aid Ukraine until they launch the political investigations.
He won it.
The president's own supporters on Capitol Hill scrambling, uh, trying to figure out exactly how to move forward now that this John Bolton bombshell has just absolutely shaken Washington.
A seismic shock.
Hit Capitol Hill like a thunderbolt.
Bombshell, former National Security Advisor John Bolton, ready to turn on the president as news leaks from his explosive new book about what he claims really happened with Ukraine.
And I feel like with the Bolton testimony with this bombshell about the manuscript, an explosive report just out, and it could be a bombshell.
An explosive new account from former national security advisor John Bolton that could undercut the president's case.
Bombshell and the impeachment trial of President Trump.
The stunning new report about John Bolton directly contradicts Trump's defense.
Bolton's bombshell.
A startling new report could up-end the impeachment trial of the.
Bolton drops the bombshell in an unpublished manuscript for his forthcoming book, unpublished manuscript from John Bolton that has just turned President Trump's world upside down.
Seems to me the meaning of the John Bolton, absolute bombshell.
Nobody expected this last night.
I was shocked when I saw it.
Joining us now is Mike Schmidt, who broke this story for the New York Times tonight, as well as last night's bombshell.
The Senate impeachment trial ended its second week with the president's lawyers continuing their defense.
But will a bombshell revelation finally seal the deal on calling witnesses to the trial?
The new John Bolton bombshell may undermine a key Trump legal defense that there was no evidence that Trump withheld aid from Ukraine in exchange for launching the investigation into his rival.
By the way, Nancy Pelosi looks very smart for delaying walking over those articles so that more journalists could do their jobs.
The Bolton bombshell is not the last.
We know that he is trying to get the Republicans to hold back, not to say publicly, we want witnesses.
He wants this to go away, perhaps.
He was totally blindsided, uh, I'm told.
He had no idea this was coming.
On Sunday night, a bombshell new report in the New York Times uh could undermine one of the core defenses.
What are you picking up in Republican circles about that bombshell in the New York Times?
I think this is a game changer.
Uh, can they ever once think of their own words to use when it comes to manufacture crisis, Russia, Russia, Restormy, Stormy, impeach, and pe it's just it's just rewind.
Let me just say up front, it does not undermine the president's defense.
Not even remotely undermine the president's defense.
Well, if, in fact, the president said it, let's just assume.
Who knows?
Because it's a manuscript that even the New York Times is telling everybody, well, it's an anonymous hearsay source sources, whatever.
It doesn't matter, does it?
Because, well, we have the transcript.
They never talked about aid, never talked about a quitter or pro or a quo.
Same people on the call.
Zelensky said it over and over and over again.
And we have the transcript.
He said, never any pushing, never any pressure, never any linkage between security assistance dollars, and either the announcement or some investigation in Ukraine.
Never.
Ukrainians didn't know at the time of the call the aid had been held.
And more importantly, now, did the Ukrainians take any action?
Nope.
Did they ever start an investigation?
Nope.
Did they ever promise to start an investigation if they were given aid?
Nope.
Did they ever announce an investigation?
Nope.
Did they get their money?
Yep.
And there were five meetings after the call, high level.
VP, Secretary Pompeo, all at Zelensky, all these ambassadors, hearsay witnesses.
Yeah.
No, they never discussed money once.
The only fact witness that actually talked to the president about what he wants from Ukraine, nothing.
No quitter pro quo.
So their bombshell, bombshell, bombshell, bombshell, bombshell.
Uh it means nothing.
Well, let me say, you know, I think I'm gonna rob this jewelry store because I think I can get a lot of money.
I'm thinking about it.
I'm thinking about it.
I'm even telling my friends, I think if I if I if I end up robbing this jewelry store, I'm gonna get rich.
Okay, but I never do it.
Did I Okay any crime?
Thinking is thinking a crime.
We think all sorts of things.
I don't think so.
That's what they're trying to convince you.
The same exact people that have been wrong for three years, the same people that have perpetuated lies, propaganda, misinformation, conspiracy theories, uh hoax, the same three people,
the same people that even like Schiff lied about the dirty dossier of Hillary Clinton, and that being the bulk of information uh information in the FISA applications that we now know even the DOJ is admitting, were uh yeah, Illegal.
I mean, the same people that missed the biggest story of their lives and got everything else wrong.
The same people that wake up every second, every minute, every every conscious, if you can even call it conscience conscious hour of every day hating Donald Trump.
The same exact cast of characters and the mob in the media, and of course, you know, led by the biggest liar of them all, the compromised congenital liar, Adam Schiff.
By the way, Mitch McConnell, after the defense team wrapped up their arguments, he laid out what's going to happen over the next uh couple of days of the trial, sixteen hours of questioning, eight hours each side, went on to describe the process, saying the questions alternate between the majority and minority sides for up to eight hours on Wednesday and Thursday.
McConnell reminded senators that their questions must be in writing and will be submitted to the Chief Justice John Roberts.
During the question period of the Clinton trial, senators were thoughtful and brief with their questions and the managers and counsel were succinct in their answers.
I hope we can follow both of those examples during this time.
Jordan Seculo, uh part of the president's defense team, joins us now.
How are you, Jordan Circular?
What's going on?
We're doing good.
Tell me what's going on.
Well, let me just say, I think that today what you heard was a very as you just used the word succinct, but I'm going to use it again, a succinct uh close to our opening, if you will.
We do get a closing statement.
Uh, but but that for our opening, um, instead I think the chief justice said we still have uh 11 and a half hours or something like that left uh when we started today, and I think we used about two, uh maybe maybe a little bit more because there was a break.
I don't know if that can't uh doesn't actually count again.
Yeah, thankfully we didn't use all 20 whatever uh four hours, thank God.
We didn't need to.
We didn't need to, because as we said today, and we we took we kind of summed it all up, that this is it's not impeachable offense.
We played Nadler saying that.
We've played Lofgren saying that, so two of the house managers saying that on the floor of the House.
Uh we played Markey, who is now a U.S. Senator, he was on the floor of the House then, Bob Benendez, a U.S. Senator, and of course the minority leader, Democrat Chuck Schumer, saying that you can never have a partisan impeachment right off the top.
This this should be the this should be this should fail.
Because partisan impeachment alone is a danger, as my Ted said, danger, danger, danger to our constitutional republic.
And I think it's Pat Sipelloni said, you know, i i it's a republic if they, and he was talking about um you know, these house members, but also the sit the Senate, if they let us keep it.
Because if this is the new standard, every future president will be impeached because of policy differences by a the a different majority in the in a in the House.
You know, if they face a majority party in the House, which most do it sometime in their presidency, uh, that they will be impeached over policy differences.
And as Alan Dershwood said, and I think this was a great line, you know, we could use abuse of power all we want.
But if you don't say like abuse of power, and here's the crimes from the abuse of power, abuse of power should be left into politics.
You know, the you know, you you're you you're abusing the power, and that's something that the American people get to decide.
Hey, is this guy going too far with his power?
Um, is he abusing it?
Is it is it uh so even though he might have it, do we want him to be using it this way?
Do we want someone who's more tempered, more different tone, whatever?
Leave that up to you, Mary.
Let me ask you a question.
Because that's what they tried to litigate here.
When when Obama said to Medmitt of Tell Vladimir Putin, I'll have more flexibility after the election.
Um would he now, under the new rules, be impeached?
Because I think he would be.
And I and I also think that if you really want to quit in a pro and a quote, which is why if they're gonna bring witnesses, I want zero experience Hunter, played paid millions, eighty-three thousand a month, while the average American is making less than fifty-four grand a year.
Uh, I want him to explain how a zero experience that they paid the zero experienced guy all that money, and that his father used a billion taxpayer dollars uh to shake down Ukraine, and you got six hours and you're not getting the billion unless you fire the prosecutor.
Well under the defendants.
I want to hear from him and I want to hear from the congenital liar and his staff, and I want to hear from the hearsay non-whistleblower whistleblower, and uh what that person may have said two weeks into the Trump administration.
I think that's one of the big issues here.
You know, we're gonna have these two days of questioning, and let me tell you, this is the first time Adam Schiff's gonna face questions.
Yeah, this is gonna be very interesting.
This is the first time Adam Schiff is gonna have to answer questions about his staff's contact with the whistleblower that he he admitted to ultimately after first denying it.
Um he's gonna have to answer to that.
There's no way that question's not going to be added to the senators.
Let me ask you this then.
Let me ask you, this is there.
He's gonna he's gonna have to answer.
He's always been in charge, and for the beginning of this, you know, it was just him speaking.
We couldn't object.
This wasn't like a normal kind of opening statement, technically.
So he got to say whatever you want, you know, despairs the president, make up rule make up laws as he went, he made it.
I don't have a lot of time.
I want to ask you this.
Your father did a great job.
Pat Sibalone did a great job.
Dershowitz did a great job.
Uh Pam Bondi did a great job.
I want to go to the constitutional issue.
Dershowitz says, uh about Bolton.
Uh, no, nothing in Bolton's book would be an impeachable effect.
It's part of the way foreign policy's been operated by president since the beginning of time.
Yeah.
The the claim that foreign policy decisions can be deemed as abuse of power, you know, is ridiculous.
He basically went on to say then he said, and then he went on to say nothing about Bolton, even if true.
Now, if I think, Jordan, about robbing a a store.
I think about it, but I don't do it.
Because the president, he got nothing.
They did they got all their money, they got a lot of it early.
And then just to, you know, they never promised anything, they never did anything.
So tell me where we have an why are we even here?
We shouldn't be here.
It's all politics.
It's why it's a partisan impeachment, and it's why we had Kinstar and Alan Dershowitz agree with each other on this.
That when you have this completely partisan impeachment, you have no actual crime alleged, um, nothing even close to a criminal conference.
You have no crime, completely partisan, and very uh lack of process and due process, which is a a right in the constitution.
Um then when you put all those three together, they should weigh very heavily against voting for these articles.
And as Alan Dershwood said, take all this all you want in the New York Times, okay?
Say this is say that he would actually testify to all that, you know.
Uh all right, I'm gonna have to run, but give everybody on your team.
I thought it was a wonderful guy's not the wet.
I thought everybody did a great job on your team, including your dad.
You should be proud of your dad.
And you and yourself we appreciate it.
Thank you, Sean.
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Hey there.
I'm Mary Catherine Hamm.
And I'm Carol Markowitz.
We've been in political media for a long time.
Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane.
That's why we started normally a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.
We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.
We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously.
So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass.
You're our kind of people.
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What I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi.
Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked why.
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
It's almost a dirty word.
One that connotes conspiracy theory.
Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
You put two and two together.
Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.
I'm Leon Nafok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries.
This is Fiasco Benghazi.
What difference at this point does it make?
Yeah, that's right.
Locker up!
Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
By the way, the president announced a new plan for Israel and the Palestinian people.
Taylor to America's dealing with China, going to Davos, oh, getting trade deals with Mexico and China.
Hundred thousand, I think a couple of hundred thousand now signed up.
The lines are massive in New Jersey.
You know, how many people showed up at a Biden event?
Oh, 75.
In Wildwood, New Jersey.
75.
You can read about all this on Hannity.com.
Biden invites Michelle Obama to be his running mate.
Oh, okay.
And meanwhile, what do we?
It's a tale of two Americas.
Anyone, by the way, ever remember why John Bolton actually resigned?
You know, so upset about the president in Ukraine.
Why didn't why didn't he resign over it?
He ended up not being able to get along.
I don't know why.
I always liked John.
I never had a problem with John Bolton.
You know, I have no idea if any of this is true.
But he resigned a month after president's phone call, but a lot of it I think had to do with the fact the president was going to hit Iran and at the last minute stopped, according to my sources.
That was a big part of it.
And um, but some things never change in all this.
By the way, um, we now have, I mean, not only do we have the issue of, you know, this guy can't even get uh a hundred people to show up, meaning Joe Biden, you know, quid pro quo Joe.
Now the DNC seems to be stacking the deck against Bernie again.
Now Bernie's co-chair.
If the DNC believes they're gonna get away in 2020, what they did with 2016, they have another thing coming.
Uh you've got let's see.
Oh, where is it?
I have it here somewhere.
Oh, the Republicans, by the way, have now had a record raise off-year record of 68 million raced.
And Kevin McCarthy said an all-time annual fundraising record as the GOP now moves to take back the house.
Oh, that would be pretty good.
And then you got all the infighting going on in the Democratic primary.
That starts next Monday.
They're trying, and everyone thinks that they're trying to screw Bernie again because Bernie now has overtaking Biden for the first time in New Hampshire and in Iowa.
Chris Matthews is now suggesting Bernie wouldn't stop his car to help an injured person.
Uh, I guess it's all groupthink with everybody.
Even Obama apparently thinks Bernie's unfit and must be stopped.
All right, Jim Jordan, when we get back.
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Hey there, I'm Mary Catherine Hamm.
And I'm Carol Markowitz.
We've been in political media for a long time.
Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane.
That's why we started normally a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.
We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.
We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously.
So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass.
You're our kind of people.
Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday and Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen.
What I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi.
Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
It's almost a dirty word.
One that connotes conspiracy theory.
Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
You put two and two together.
Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
Benghazi is a Rosetta Stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.
I'm Leon Nafok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries.
This is Fiasco Benghazi.
What difference at this point does it make?
Yeah, that's right.
Locker up.
Listen to Fiasco Benghazi on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
It's been over six weeks since Inspector General Horowitz released his report detailing the FBI's illegal surveillance of President Donald Trump's campaign back in 2016.
Six weeks since the Inspector General published his findings that the FBI illegally spied on then candidate Trump.
We know it was illegal spying because the Justice Department admitted it just last week.
The FBI admitted that they didn't have evidence for at least two warrants on the Trump campaign.
Inspector General Horowitz, we are glad that you're here.
But for the life of me, I can't imagine why this committee, the committee that has direct jurisdiction over the inspector generals, would not call you to testify about the uh serious FBI abuses that you uncovered.
It's been six weeks since you published your 400-plus page report about the FBI abusing the FISA court to spy on the Trump campaign, and our chair has still yet not invited you to speak.
Think about what the FBI did.
They went to a secret court to get a search warrant to spy on the presidential campaign in America.
They did it.
This is what the FISA judge, Rosemary Collier said just last month, December 17, 2019, quote: The frequency with which representations made by FBI personnel turned out to be unsupported or contradicted by information in their possession and with which they withheld information detrimental to their case, calls into question whether information contained in other FBI applications is reliable.
Put that in plain English, you guys screwed up so much.
How can we trust any other representation you've made to the court?
That's what the FISA court judge said last week in response to Mr. Horowitz's 400-plus page report.
Think about what was going on here.
The FBI's basis in asking the court to spy on the Trump campaign was quote, unsupported or contradicted by information in their possession.
The FBI had evidence that members of the Trump team were innocent, and they held that back from the court.
Remember, they got the initial application, the initial warrant, and then they did three renewals.
Didn't tell the court important information in those renewal applications.
The report is so unbelievable you could not even make some of this stuff stuff up for a TV sheet.
No TV show.
No American suspects things like this occur.
An FBI lawyer fabricated an email to support a warrant on the Trump campaign.
The FBI was doing this in a president to a presidential candidate.
Think about what they could do to regular Americans.
And that's why Judge Collier ordered the FBI to begin reviewing other applications.
And we still have not had a FISA hearing, either here or maybe more importantly, in the Judiciary Committee.
Chairman Nadler's yet to call a hearing.
This is a whistleblower hearing.
It's an important issue that I'm looking forward to discussing.
But I will also take this opportunity, as I said earlier, to ask a few questions about Inspector General Horowitz's findings and his report.
The chair told us earlier this month that the Inspector General has already testified before the Senate, and that his presence before our committee is unnecessary.
Since when did the Oversight Committee say, oh, if the Senate's doing it, we don't have to have a hearing?
I have never heard that.
My 13 years in Congress, never heard that.
And imagine if it was reversed.
Imagine if Inspector General Horowitz uncovered the FBI fabricating emails to spy on candidate Clinton.
Both in this committee and the Judiciary Committee.
That was Congressman Jim Jordan.
He's uh part of the congressional advisory team of the president, by the way.
This was what you just heard.
Part of the House Subcommittee for Oversight today was able to question the Inspector General Michael Horowitz.
And this is his first interview since that hearing.
Now, this is on the heels of the Department of Justice in what was a pretty unprecedented way last week, admitting everything that we had been reporting.
Premeditated, brought on a Pfizer court, identifying Pfizer renewal applications three and four as absolutely unjustified.
Uh Congressman Jim Jordan is with us.
How are you, sir?
I'm good, Sean.
Good to be with you.
Think about for a couple years.
Think about what we went through for a couple years, and and and finally Horowitz's report comes out and and vindicates everything you've been saying for two plus years about what the FBI did.
That's really what this is all about.
Is we were right, Adam Schiff was wrong with his memo that he put out and said everything was fine.
Uh that's what this is really about.
Well, I yeah, I agree with that.
I want to get into all of this in a second here.
But you know, and and it's so funny.
I was watching everyone and I was playing I played a montage in the last hour.
Bombshell, bombshell, bombshell, bombshell, but talking about John Bolton.
Yeah.
I mean, if I thought about Rob at a jewelry store or maybe a convenience store, whatever.
I'm thinking I tell my friends, I think I'm gonna rob this convenience store.
I don't like the owner of that convenience store, which is stupid.
But let's say I did that.
But I don't do that.
If the president vented and said, you know, these people need to to to be investigating these things, okay.
Let's say that the president said that.
Let's say John Bolton is telling the truth that he said that.
Although everyone else seems to contradict it, and we don't even know if any of it's true or in the manuscript because nobody's seen it, and even the New York Times is citing anonymous, again, hearsay sources, which is more insanity.
That doesn't change the four facts that'll never change, not the least of which even if the president said it, the Ukrainians didn't know at the time that anybody was held back.
They got a lot of it early, and they took no action, never started an investigation, they never promised to start an investigation, they never announced an investigation.
They got all their money.
So what does it matter if the president said it?
Which is in dispute.
No, you're exactly right, Sean.
Uh what what someone told the New York Times what about what John Bolton's manuscript supposedly says doesn't change the underlying facts.
Doesn't change what happened.
And you're exactly right.
If the president said I don't know that he did.
Uh, because uh look, this is like you said again, just more hearsay.
It doesn't change the facts.
They're all on the president's side.
And and I thought the White House team, I thought they did a great job last year.
I thought they did a phenomenal job.
The constitutional case, the legal case, and the factual, the evidence, the factual case, all are on the president's side.
And that's why that's why I think you're seeing Republicans stick together, and hopefully we're gonna get this thing over with this week.
Okay, I'd like to see that, but then I watch guys like Mitt Romney.
I'm gonna tell you something about how I feel about Mitt Romney.
I've always liked Mitt Romney.
I've liked his family.
I liked uh I got to know his wife, love a wonderful guy.
Um, and you know what?
I went all in.
I won't I knew he'd be a better president than Obama.
I think I was proven right.
It was the right person to vote for it.
He was the candidate that won.
Fine.
But it seems like I don't understand this when people lose elections, they get something uh like a switch in their brain goes off.
Because ever since then, everything that he said he would do as president, from judges and taxes and regulation and go right on down the line is what Donald Trump is doing.
I get it.
Maybe he doesn't like Donald Trump's New York style.
I grew up in New York, I'm kind of used to that style.
Doesn't bother me so much.
Uh it's not the first it's on my first rodeo, you know, having dealing with combative people or or fighters.
I like fighters.
You used to be a wrestler.
And then, oh, I think now we need Bolton.
Why would any senator, Republican senator, if their constitutional roles to try the case, ever take on the sole role of the House, which is to do the impeachment, which they did, and they're presenting their case.
Yeah.
Now I think about what the Democrats are saying.
The the witness count in the House was 17 to zero.
Adam Schiff called all the witnesses.
He issued this appeal.
We didn't get a subpoena anyone.
We didn't get to call any of our witnesses.
It was 17 to 0.
And now you have people saying the Democrats saying, oh, we want to make it 18 to 0.
We wanted to make it 17 to zero in the House, and and and now we're not gonna call any of those 17 witnesses.
We want to call an additional witness and make it 18 to zero.
That is completely ridiculous.
The American people understand that.
They have seen the case put on by the president's team.
They understand the factual case, they understand the legal case, they understand the constitutional case, and all those arguments are strongly on the president's side.
So let's get this over with, and then let's get about doing the things that that that we told the American people we were gonna do, k continuing to deliver on all those things President Trump said he would do that he's already got done.
Let's keep doing more as he said, let's keep winning.
I agree.
And what makes you think now, if we're gonna open the stupid door of witnesses, okay, then I really want to hear from you're not getting the billion unless you fire the prosecutor investigating my zero experienced son being paid millions, eighty-three thousand a month to be exact, uh less than the fifty-four and the average American makes less than fifty-four thousand a year.
Um I think that would mean that the president had a right to be like, what the hell is going on here?
And then because we had the tape of Joe bragging about it, we just had the two year anniversary last week, January 20th.
Yep.
I would like to hear from them.
I'd like to hear from the congenital liar.
I'd like to hear from the hearsay non whistleblower whistleblower, apparently two weeks into the Trump administration was talking about getting rid of them.
Yeah, yeah, I'd like to hear from a lot of folks, and and you're right.
If we're gonna go down this road, I've said it all along.
I don't think we should, but if they go down this road, you if you're gonna bring witnesses in, you've got to go all the way down.
You get you've got to bring in the Biden's, you've got to bring in the whistleblower.
I want to hear from the whistleblower.
I've always wanted to hear from the whistleblower.
Adam Ship initially told us he wanted to hear from the whistleblower, and then suddenly changed his mind when it was discovered his staff had met with the whistleblower prior to him going to the inspector general.
So I I want to hear from from i i uh look.
I hope they don't go to witnesses, I hope they just vote to acquit, which everyone knows is the right move.
Um, but if they go down this road, I want to hear from the whistleblowers and and like you say, uh the Biden's and and potentially Adam Schiff, who was it was part of the part of the record as well.
Okay, let's go back to these hearings with Horowitz, because everything that guys like you and Devin and Mark Meadows and Matt Gates and John Ratcliffe, I c I'm not gonna remember everybody.
All my ensemble team of everybody that we that people know who I I'll forget somebody, so I'm gonna want to offend anybody.
But everything we reported was right.
Everything the mob and the media reported was wrong.
Everything Schiff told us for three years was a lie, and it's the same people, interestingly, doing the Ukrainian thing.
What did Horowitz say and where is this going?
What did you learn today?
Well, the the key is go back two years ago.
Go back to January of twenty eighteen when Devin puts out his memo.
And remember what the left said.
Remember what the demon, oh, that's terrible, it's wrong, it's not accurate.
Turned out everything uh that Chairman Nun has cited in that memo was exactly right.
The only thing we got wrong is it was worse than we worse than we thought.
But remember a few weeks after that, Chairman now Chairman Schiff put out his memo, and he said this at the start of his memo.
The FBI and DOJ officials did not abuse the FISA process and they did not omit material information.
That was such a false statement because Horowitz told us last month they lied seventeen times in the five in the in the in the uh Carter Page Vives application.
17 specific but 52 subsections of the lie.
Right.
50 some more, 17 that they said these were so egregious, we're gonna single out these seventeen, but fifty some more in total.
So that's how bad it was.
They even had one of the FBI lawyers change an email that was the basis for what they then put into their application to go to the court, and he changed it from saying was a source to was not a source.
So 180 degrees change, not a little subtle change, 108 degrees opposite that they took to the court.
That's how cra they didn't tell the court that Christopher Steele, I've seen the document where Christopher Steele told Bruce Orr, yeah, he was desperate to stop Trump.
They didn't tell the court that, even though they had that information.
They didn't tell them, they didn't tell the court that Clinton campaign paid for all this dossier stuff.
So that's how bad it was.
And the Nunez memo, two years ago this month, was a hundred percent right, and Adam Schiff put out a memo contradictory saying it wasn't right, and his memo was the one that was actually telling the falsehoods.
Uh all right.
So did we get anything else?
Now, what about Horowitz was contradicted by John Durham and by the Attorney General, and as much as they didn't agree with some of some of his findings.
And by the way, I I'll let's give let's give a little room to breathe for Inspector General Horowitz, because he's limited in his scope of investigation.
He's only allowed, if I'm not mistaken, to investigate the the realm within the Department of Justice and FBI.
So he didn't have the ability, like the attorney general and the prosecutor Durham to go abroad, especially on the issues of the potential of outsourcing spying uh to Allied nations for the purpose of circumventing American law.
Do you believe that happened?
Yeah.
Well, look, uh, let me let me let me uh go where you were at just Sean there, too, is Inspector General Horowitz has done good work.
And you're right.
He can't he can't subpoena people, he can't look at people who've left the FBI.
There's things he's limited by, but overall his work product has been very good.
One of the things we did ask him in today's hearing is what other reports are coming?
And he we I was right at the end of my time, so we didn't get it fully elaborate on that, but there's more information coming from just the inspector general.
And of course, as you you point out, there's the investigation that Mr. Durham and Mr. Barr are doing that we think is really going to get to the bottom of all what took place in 2016 and 2017 when the FBI and DRJ spied on on the Trump campaign.
Okay, so we know spying occurred.
Even the attorney general has now confirmed that.
Uh, they've spent an awful lot of time abroad.
Now, do you believe the evidence eventually might show that high-ranking people in the intelligence community?
Again, there were certain we know there were two separate areas where spying occurred.
One was through the FISA application of Carter Page to spy on a candidate transition team president.
Then we had the issue of foreign nations and whether they also spied on a president.
Do you believe that happened?
Because I do.
I do.
I do.
I think I think those are the two we always talked about, Carter Page and Papadopoulos, and Papadopoulos was these foreign sources that looked like they were spying on him and getting information uh that away versus do it going and getting the warrant and doing the the surveillance and things that happen when you get a FISA warrant.
So I do think that that took place, but we also know it was it was not just the two that they were looking at.
They were looking at Manafort and Flynn as well.
So four individuals that were being spied on, and that word right there is what set the Democrats off.
Because when Bill Barr first testified in front of the Sin Finance Committee and said there was a pair of leadership at the upper national of the FBI, then said spying took place.
When he said when he uttered the word spying, they went crazy.
He said there's a basis for my concern about the spying, which is the stuff that we've been talking about.
And then the fourth thing he said was use the term political surveillance, political surveillance, and it sure looks like that's exactly what took place based on Horowitz's report.
And then holding people accountable is what John Durr, because that that's ultimately how you're gonna stop this.
If you don't hold people accountable for what all took place, it'll never end.
And as we said before, it won't just be about a president, it could be about any of us.
Well, I think that's all true.
Uh Congressman Jim Jordan, you've been amazing.
Um, what do you think the odds are this does end, say, Friday, Saturday this week after the questioning?
I think it's good.
I think it's good.
I think it ends later this week in the quittle for the president, which everyone knows is the right move.
You really what do you what would you give the odds at?
I I think there's strong odds, frankly.
I I really do.
I I don't I don't see I mean look, you never saw any senate senators breaking uh Republican senators breaking ranks after the Democrats and we hadn't even put on our case yet.
So then our site puts on the case and they come up with this crazy Bolton thing, this manuscript, and it's still not moving.
So I think I think senators understand that this is this whole thing has been ridiculous.
Let's get it over with, and let's get about doing the people's business.
Congressman Jim Jordan, great state of Ohio.
We'll be paying attention to your state in 280 days when the people, the ultimate jury speaks, and we get to shock the world again.
Coming up next, our final news roundup and information overload hour.
Here's what happened very shortly after Vice President Biden was made U.S. point man for Ukraine.
His son Hunter Biden ends up on the board of Barisima working for and paid by the oligarch Solchevsky.
Every witness who is asked about Hunter Biden's involvement with Barisima agreed there was a potential appearance of a conflict of interest.
ABC, Good Morning America, the Washington Post, the New York Times, Ukrainian law enforcement, and the Obama State Department itself.
They all thought there was cause to raise the issue about the Bidens and Barisma.
The typical board member of these Fortune 100 companies, we know they're titans of their industry, they're highly qualified, and as such, they're well compensated.
Even so, Hunter Biden was paid significantly more.
This is how well he was compensated.
So Hunter Biden is paid over 83,000 a month.
While the average American family of four during that time each year made less than fifty-four thousand dollars.
And that's according to U.S. Census Bureau during that time.
And this is what's been reported about his work on the board.
The Washington Post said, quote, what specific duties Hunter Biden carried out for Barisma are not fully known.
End quote.
The New Yorker reported.
Quote, once or twice a year, he attended Brisma board meetings and energy forums that took place in Europe.
End quote.
When speaking with ABC News about his qualifications to be on Borismas board, Hunter Biden didn't point to any of the usual qualifications of a board member.
Hunter Biden had no experience in natural gas, no experience in the energy sector, no experience with Ukrainian regulatory affairs.
As far as we know, he doesn't speak Ukrainian.
So naturally, the media has asked questions about his board membership.
Why was Hunter Biden on this board?
If your last name wasn't Biden, do you think he would have been asked to be on the board of Barisma?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Probably not.
Probably not.
83,000 bucks a month, and oh, he'd go to Europe on a couple of trips to sit on a board where he knows nothing.
Uh you guys want to go out to dinner?
You want to go out?
Let's go to dinner.
Driving a brand new Porsche as he finally says, okay, I guess I'll have to pay for the kid that I guess is mine after denying that it was ever his kid.
Just a sleaze bag in so many different ways.
Now, why is this important?
Why, why do the does the mob in the media, why do the Democrats, oh no, no, no, nobody credible has ever suggested that we ever did anything wrong with the Bidens.
Why would Okay?
Well, it gets to the heart of why Hunter, zero experience, paid millions, uh, had his father leverage a billion dollars.
Why would the president ever talk about such a thing?
Because it's corruption.
That's why it's law breaking.
That's why it's a shakedown with your money.
That's why, and just because the you know, congenital liar who's compromised and corrupt, Adam Schiff says, No, there's nothing here, as he sent over the less uh Lev partners uh new information, doesn't mean it's true.
And it's the same Bolton, oh my gosh, John Boomshell, bombshell, ba ba ba bombshell.
We've heard that for the last three straight years.
Everything's a bombshell.
There's no bombshells here.
Well, except this.
Now, this is where the the derangement of the left has brought this country to the brink where you have to compartmentalize and bifurcate your brain.
You have to take on breathtaking, shocking levels of of utter pure hypocrisy, of intellectual dishonesty, of lacking all reason, all intellectual honesty, all common sense to get to where they've taken us.
But there's more.
Peter Schweitzer, best-selling book.
Uh, it's called Profiles in Corruption, Abuse of Power by America's Progressive Elite.
Well, I'll say one thing, in my view, after the work of Pam Bondi, I'm not so sure uh quid pro quo Joe is anywhere near the position he was in yesterday, thinking that he can win this nomination.
Well, I think Sean, look, this is this has been uh like hanging over them like a cloud uh really for quite a while.
And now that it's come front and center, he has no good explanation.
I mean, to continue to repeat that nobody has said we've done anything wrong, lots of people have said you've done something wrong.
Lots of people have said it's a massive conflict of interest.
Lots of people have said the Ukrainians are not paying your son a million dollars a year for nothing, they're expecting something in return.
So what did they get in return?
Lots of people have said that Joe Biden doling out aid and threatening to fire prosecutors and and uh you know just picking winners and losers as to who is gonna get aid in Ukraine while his son is being paid by somebody who wants to get support from Ukraine uh is a massive problem.
So he does not have good answers.
And Sean, it's not just Hunter, it's five other members of the family.
This is a pattern of behavior for the Bidens that there's no way for them to escape.
I don't think there's a way for them to escape, and you know, all this talk about well, John Bolton.
Well, uh let's go through, let's just say, for the sake of argument, everything Bolton is saying, the president's disgusted with Ukraine, he wants them to do things uh if they're ever gonna get the money.
Uh he expects them to investigate the Bidens, which to me has always been, and I've always said that would actually be his sworn duty to faithfully execute the laws.
But then the facts never change.
We always go back to this.
We know we have a transcript.
Aid was never mentioned on that transcript.
There was no quid pro quo ever discussed on the transcript.
That's why Schiff had to lie about it and make it up.
The two individuals on the call, the president, President Zelensky, and the foreign minister of of Ukraine, everybody over and over and over, no pushing, no pressure, no linkage between security assistance and dollars.
Uh they didn't even know at the time of the call that aid had been held back, but by the way, they even got it all, and they got it all early.
And guess what, Peter?
You know, if I say, Oh, I'd like to kill that person, but I don't kill that person.
Saying I want to kill that person, but not killing that person doesn't mean a thing.
Because they took no action, they never started an investigation, they never promised to start an investigation, which is all on the record.
So they got the money, a lot of it early, and they did nothing and promised to do nothing.
Those are the facts that will never change.
And the five subsequent high profile meetings after, well, aid was never discussed then.
So why are we even here?
And why would Republicans be this pathetically weak?
And if you want witnesses, I say it needs to be quid pro quo Joe and Hunter and the compromise congenital liar Schiff and his staff and the hearsay whistleblower, non-whistleblower.
That's who I want to hear from.
Yeah, and that's who we should hear from.
And you know, Sean, as as you pointed out, I mean, the the main piece of evidence they have, the contact that Donald Trump has with Ukrainian officials with Zelensky, is that telephone transcript.
And people are sort of doing backflips, his critics to say, well, you know, he's hinting at a quid pro quo, he's subtly leveraging his position, to which I say, look, I mean, what about Donald Trump and his dealing with foreign nations is ever subtle.
When he's dealing with the Chinese, when he's upset with our allies, um, he's not hinting at anything.
He's explicit, he's out there, he's blunt, and he's direct.
So the notion that he is gonna shake down, as they claim, a foreign country, the Ukrainians, to get this research, um uh, you know, and he's gonna hint at it and and wink at it, is just patently absurd.
And and and I agree with you, there's absolutely nothing inappropriate about having a conversation with a foreign leader uh to investigate corruption.
You're talking about in the case of Ukraine, entanglements that involve the vice president and his son, and also involve Zelinsky and oligarchs um who have had billions of dollars of U.S. money disappear.
I mean, think about this, Sean.
Zelensky is elected the leader of Ukraine, the man that backs him is an oligarch named Kolomoysky.
Kolomoysky runs or ran something called Privat Bank.
More than a billion dollars in USA disappeared from Privot Bank.
There's also allegations that Kolomoski, again, the guy that's backing Zelensky, was involved with Barisma.
So how else are you going to get at the bottom of this nastiness without directly calling the leader and saying, I want you to look into this.
In my mind, it's completely appropriate.
It's what we want, particularly if people are tired of our aid dollars ending up in the pockets of foreign oligarchs and in some cases the family members of American politicians.
I I mean the whole thing is so obnoxious.
And then I'd haven't gotten your take here.
What do you think about Bolton's book?
Because the depart Department of Justice has pushed back and against the latest account from supposedly some manuscript of Bolton and whatever, and they rejected the description of the conversation between the Attorney General and Bolton.
They said, Well, the Department of Justice has not reviewed the transcript or the manuscript.
New York Times account of the conversation grossly mischaracterizes what Gen Attorney General Barr and Bolton discussed.
There's no discussion of personal favors, undue influence or investigations, nor did the Attorney General state and the president's conversations with foreign leaders were improper.
And you have Mick Mulvaney disputing all aspects of it.
Now, let's say that he let's say that Bolton makes whatever claim he wants to make.
Did the president act on it?
Because if he didn't, now what we're talking about is a thought crime.
I've never been one that believes in thought crimes.
Because frankly, if anyone's to do a thorough examination of their own mind and their own thinking, you realize there's a lot of crap that flies through your brain that uh doesn't make you guilty of a crime.
That's exactly right.
And somebody like uh Donald Trump, who who wears his emotions on his sleeve, should not be penalized because he's thinking something or expressing something in private that other leaders are thinking you're even acting on without even talking about it.
Look, I I think in the case of John Bolton, we all have to read the book first of all.
There's a lot of speculation about what's in it, what's not in it.
We also have to filter out the fact that you know these memoirs get written.
Um, a lot of times uh aides that um are asked to leave an administration, there's frustration there, there's maybe anger there.
But also, you know, one aide, even the national security advisor, is not privy to the entire encompassing of what a policy was.
You you had the witnesses that showed up that that worked uh in in Ukraine saying that they didn't believe there was a Krig Pro Crow.
You have the Ukrainians saying that it wasn't.
So whether John Bolton thinks there was or not is is honestly kind of revel uh irrelevant.
Uh whether one particular aid thinks that something was the policy, the question is what was the policy and what evidence is it for there being that policy?
Uh and uh that's where I think this is just sort of more of an effort to kind of extend the conversation.
They don't feel like they have the Democrats have the evidence uh to um get Donald Trump impeached, so they are trying to drag it out, hoping that they can continue to throw something at the situation uh and it'll stick, and I just don't think that's gonna work.
I don't think it's gonna work.
Uh the question is how long weak Republicans are gonna drag this crap out because I'm sick of it.
I'm sick of the double sta I I am sick of every knife that has been put in this president's back, and yet we've had unparalleled success for the country.
That's why I can't wait for 280 days.
Let's have an up or down vote, yes or no.
The ultimate jury will speak, and I hope we shocked I hope they shocked the country again.
That would be ideal to me.
And I can't wait well, just the price of admission of watching the media having to utter the words we can now project Donald J. Trump has been re-elected the 45th president of the United States.
So you also talk about Bernie Elizabeth.
What is the theme that runs through your book in the minute and 15 seconds we have left, so people understand this is not just the Biden's, although the Bidens are by far the worst.
This is about how public servants, progressives, instead of serving us, have been serving themselves, Sean.
Uh the Bidens did it through five family members, self-enrichment.
Elizabeth Warren has done some very similar things.
Uh Bernie Sanders, for all of his talk about socialism and not liking the wealthy, uh, has engaged in self-enriching, self-serving behavior himself.
Uh, and it's really a question, Sean, of are we going to trust uh these individuals with more power?
They're all progressives, unlike conservatives and moderates and classical liberals and libertarians, progressives say give us a lot more power to solve your problems.
Not only are they not going to solve our problems, history suggests they're going to abuse the power they're given for their own self-benefit.
And that's the you fining factor here that everybody needs to get their hands around.
Unbelievable expose, and it's amazing.
It's always the left.
They're only generous with other people's money, but they're enriching themselves when they're supposed to be public servants.
It's sick, it's twisted, it's ugly, and if anyone with the last name Trump ever did any of this, trust me, it would not go over well with the country.
Uh Peter Schweitzer profiles corruption, abuse by America's Progressive Elite, Hannity.com, Amazon.com, bookstores everywhere.
Thank you, sir, for being with us.
When we come back, the coronavirus, anything to worry about.
We'll get a quick update on that and more as we continue.
All right, 25 now until the top of the hour, 800 941.
Sean, if you want to be a part of this extravaganza.
All right, I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this.
We're going to get to your calls here in a second.
I know a lot has been said.
I've talked to a lot of people, and there's a lot of worry and concern about this coronavirus in China.
Now, seems to me, and I'm just being honest here, and Dr. Mark Siegel over at Fox, he was sounding the alarm over China's quote, reckless, scary response to the coronavirus.
And we know that China was underreporting and purposely minimizing the real impact of what was going on there.
But eventually, uh oh, yeah.
Uh yeah, we have to close Disney and movie theaters and everybody's running around with masks all over their face.
We uh we have our friend of the program, Dr. Josh uh Josh Umber, Atlas MD out of Wichita, Dr. Lee Gross, uh president for Docs for Patient Care Foundation.
Um and I just wanted to get their their take on this because we have the health secretary Azar, you know, in the Center for Disease Control and director of National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Disease and every American agency is doing their thing.
But I just I always worry that you know, by the time we find out it's too late.
Uh welcome back, guys.
Dr. Umber, what do you think?
Thanks for having us and and always happy to chat.
Um you know, I think it's a a serious concern.
Um, you know, especially when it starts off with some misinformation.
Um, but but thankfully I think the response has been appropriate.
Uh where control cases in the U.S. are directly related to travel uh to the the affected provinces in China.
Um so that's that's more reassuring.
You know, relative to influenza, which is you know, it's a bad year for that, and is it's affected you know tens of thousands of lives.
Um, you know, I I think we can have a measured approach.
Okay.
What is your take, Dr. Gross?
So we've you know, we we have about 4500 confirmed cases in China right now, and seventeen hundred of those cases are new within the last 24 hours.
So those are just the ones that we know about.
You know, the concern is we've already had a hundred and six death deaths in China.
Uh with such a small number of cases with that many deaths, the concern is that it's a pretty aggressive disease.
You know, so fortunately we only have five here in the United States.
Um, but you know what China has done, at least what they've told us they've done, is they've quarantined fifty million people.
You know, that is the equivalent of about one sixth of the American population.
Can you imagine if we tried to quarantine you know 50 million people here in the United States, that would not go over.
So you know, the best course of action really is for us to work with China and for them to be open and honest and sharing information with with our people.
All right, we have uh we have an incubation rate that is, in other words, you can be while it's incubating in your body, apparently you're infectious.
Is that correct?
It is correct, you know.
So that incubation period can be anywhere from two to fourteen days.
The question is whether or not somebody can be contagious during a period where they're asymptomatic.
You know, so they can fly over to the United States, have no symptoms on the plane, but then develop the symptoms once they're here.
The question is, were they were they contagious while they were on that plane and when they when they were traveling?
And if that's the case, then how do we track all of those contacts?
Um that's really gonna be real.
Contact tracing, it doesn't appear that it's even possible at this point in China, does it?
Uh Dr. Umber.
I think in China with the population density they have, that would get much harder uh to accurately track that, especially as people start to hit the public places, the hospitals and doctors' offices in mass.
So you have this large crowding effect.
Uh but maybe not everyone was registered when they went there that are waiting in line.
Um so yeah, tracking that does start to get pretty difficult.
Uh and and you know, we don't know if it's affecting the sick or those prone with respiratory uh illnesses like lung cancer, asthma, or COPD more so than the average healthy population.
Um but I agree with Dr. Umber to put it in perspective.
You know, we know influenza, the annual flu season.
We've already seen 15 million cases and 8,000 deaths from it here in the United States, including 54 children.
So when we're talking about you know, a hundred cases compared to what we already see with the flu season, you know, it's certainly not time to panic yet, though definitely time to pay attention, and certainly time for the Chinese government to be open and honest with the problems going on there.
Well, I think that's that's first and foremost, but let's assume for a few minutes that they're never gonna do that, that they're gonna be China and they're gonna close themselves off and probably too prideful and not want to seek the world's help.
Uh do you feel confident we have the means and ability in this country to stop any type of pandemic from coming out?
What is it?
I guess we have uh a mortality rate of what five percent with this virus, maybe a little higher.
Yeah, I certainly think we have excellent people from the CDC.
I mean, you mentioned you had Dr. Fauci on your show yesterday.
You know, he is is uh a genius in in issues around this.
Uh looks like we're about three months out from potentially having a phase one vaccine trial and another three months out for a phase two vaccine trial.
Uh so there's some some promise there.
Uh you know, we're looking at 20 different airports where we're doing advanced screening, but you know, again, the question is on the asymptomatic people.
Uh but clearly outbreaks, you know, national outbreaks are going to happen mostly spreading with your symptomatic people.
So I think you know what we're doing from the CDC and from the uh uh from health and human services perspective is you know, it's it's a great start.
I don't want to thank you both.
Yeah, go ahead.
Last word, Dr. Umber.
Just to put in perspective, too, there's something called the reproductive value.
How contagious is an illness, and we can grade that.
Smallpox or measles has a reproductive value of 16, 17, and The common cold has a value of six, which means you'll infect six other people with your common cold virus, and influenza and this coronavirus are in the range of two to three.
So um I think as long as we you put that in perspective, China population density that they're going to spread more per person because they're just closer.
Uh, but with the the land mass and distribution we have, we can spread that out and decrease the risk of others in a more effective manner to some degree.
All right, appreciate your insight, both of you.
800 941 Sean, toll free telephone number.
Still can't get over.
You know, we've known what why have I been highlighting what struck and page talked about when they said, Oh, you know, those those smelly Walmart chopper Trump supporters, I can spell them from here.
Why was the term irredeemable deplorable so despicable?
Why was uh Obama suggesting, oh, those people in Pennsylvania are bitter Americans clinging to their God, their constitutional rights, uh, their Bibles and religion.
Because it's just such a contempt that they have for we, the people.
Um, let me go back to now Don Lemon, fake news CNN.
I met Don Lemon a couple of times.
I don't have a problem with Don Lemon.
He wants to be liberal, let him be liberal.
But listen to because it's revealing.
What have I said?
It's it it's all of this establishment, all of the swamp creatures, they seem to care more about what the other swamp creatures think of them.
That's why I don't like them, nor do I want their approval ever.
So I never show up at their stupid events.
I go to one event a year for a friend, media party.
Then I get confronted by, you know, CNN Jeff Zucker stenographers, you know, Humpty Dumpty and Oliver, somebody that thinks that I know who this person is.
You know, just total stalkers.
You know, if you focused on your own low-rated shows, maybe you do better.
But I think it's revealing in as much as what do they think of we, the people?
Listen.
Of course.
It it it's it's a it's he's just trying to demean her, and obviously it's false.
And look, he also knows deep in his heart that Donald Trump couldn't find Ukraine on a map if you had the letter U and a picture of an actual physical crane next to it.
He knows that this is, you know, an i uh an administration defined by ignorance of the world.
And so that's partly him playing to their base and playing their audience uh, you know, the the the credulous boomer rube demo that backs Donald Trump.
Um the the Donald Trump's a smart one in there.
Y'all elitists are dumb.
You're elitist with your geography and your maps and your spelling.
Even though my reading, yeah, you're reading, you know, your geography, knowing other countries, sipping your latte.
All those lines on the map.
Only the Melita's know where Ukraine is.
Sorry.
I apologize.
But by the way, oh my god.
But you know what?
But it was Rick's fault.
I blame Rick.
But in all honesty, but if you are to do not.
Sorry, hold on.
Wait, wait, wait.
hold on, hold on.
That was good.
Sorry.
That was a good one.
I needed that.
He has given oxygen to racists.
So we have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized right to the right.
And we have to start doing something about them.
There is no travel ban on them.
There is no ban on, you know, they had the Muslim ban.
There is no white guy ban.
So what do we do about that?
What do how about answering that question?
What do Don Lemon?
What do we do about that?
The few of uh Americans that may not take your liberal point of view.
And I don't care that you're a liberal.
You want to be a liberal, your whole network is liberal.
The whole network hates Fox.
Keep doing it because all you keep doing is making me number one.
And making Fox number one.
Because nobody can stand to watch this because you're alienating an entire group of people that just have a philosophical difference than you do.
If you want to know what elitism is, that's it.
You want to know what swampy is, that's it.
We know what condescension is, that's it.
I went back, I watched uh I watch over Christmas.
I don't know, maybe I'm getting older.
These movies are making me emotional as I get older, Linda.
And I'm watching It's a Wonderful Life.
And poor George Bailey finally is about to leave and get the heck out of that, you know, the the town and the Bailey building alone.
And then he goes to Mr. Potter, the richest man in town.
You know, uh, I so I know you lent so and so that money he didn't I know for a fact that the bank that he ran uh denied this person alone.
Well they ought to wait till they get a four wait, he said, George Bailey, wait for what?
You know, because those people, that riff rap, if you will, they do most of the working and and bleeding and dying for this country.
Don't they deserve to work hard and and have a decent house and a safe neighborhood with a nice car?
Not all that said, I'm adding here, but uh and a bath for their kids and a place to go and a nice home of their own.
Well, to him, they're nothing but rabble and nothing but whatever.
And then poor George Bailey.
Well, he had to stay.
His conscience, he couldn't leave because if he left, Potter would run the whole town.
He stayed for his for Potter.
The whole point of it's a wonderful life.
Well, what would life be like if I'd never lived?
And then Clarence gets his a his wings.
By the way, you think that's true about I never heard this thing about well, a bell rings, an angel gets his wings.
Did you ever hear that?
I never heard that before.
Every time a bell rings, an angel gets its wings.
Do you believe expression?
Sure.
I know.
Sure.
You actually believe that?
I mean, I don't know if I mean I listen, I don't know this movie, but I mean I believe there's angels all around us.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Don't tell me you did not watch It's a Wonderful Life.
Please don't even speak.
That's what I just said to you when you were in the middle of your night.
You honestly never watched It's a Wonderful Life.
So this Christmas, when I was at my brother's house, my they had it on.
Lauren had it on.
And I was like, oh my gosh, this movie.
Yeah.
I said, uh Sean keeps talking about this at work.
And she was like, dude, you've never seen this movie.
I'm like, no.
Okay, before this week is out, you gotta promise me you'll watch it so we can talk about it on air by Friday.
Okay.
All right.
All right, let's get to our phone.
All right.
Do you think I have free time?
You find free time.
How do you find free time?
But did you walk uphill both ways in the snow to school?
We could do this all day long.
That's what my kids think.
You know, every time I start talking about, well, I I you know, I'm working all these years, years and then dishwasher and paper, but they're like, oh, shut dad, shut up.
And it's like the body language.
They just shut down.
They don't do, they don't want to hear it.
They don't care.
Your grandmother was a prison guard.
Your father waited tables on weekends.
You know, he grew up poor.
My mother grew up poor.
My grandparents had nothing.
You think they look at me like I have 500 heads on top of me.
Why?
I it's so frustrating.
I do that to you every day.
Well, I hate to say it, but I was just like them when I was their age, being, you know, rolling my eyes about my father talking about he didn't have a penny when he grew up.
I'm like, right, all right, died.
Can I leave now?
Why are we all like that as kids?
We're so stupid.
So I'll end on this note because we wait, wait, wait.
Then we lose our parents.
I mean, then we lose our parents.
We're like, oh, the greatest people ever.
This is negative talent.
Let me just tell you something my grandmother used to say to me, and God rest her soul.
Now I really appreciate it.
She would say to me almost every day, you know, Linda, youth is really wasted on the young.
And she's right.
You know what my grandfather said?
He had a saying too.
He fused to say, well, he had a tattoo, a navy tattoo.
I mean, grandpa.
And I just did it to annoy him.
I don't know why I enjoyed annoying my grandfather, but I did.
Grandpa, I'm gonna get a tattoo just like you when I get older.
Uh, you're the damn fool you are.
You're a damn fool if you do that.
He gets so ticked off, but he always said, You can't put an older person's head on a younger person's shoulder.
I guess that's the Winston Churchill adage.
If you're 20 and not a liberal, you don't have a heart.
If you're 40 and not a conservative, you do not have a brain.
Period.
All right, that's gonna wrap things up for tonight.
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We've got the news and information you won't get from the mob.
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We'll see you then.
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