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Nov. 25, 2019 - Sean Hannity Show
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Carter Page Has His Day

Carter Page, former Trump policy advisor, finally has his day in court. As we learned this past Friday that the IG has found evidence of falsification of records to further the lies that moved the agenda of the left. The Sean Hannity Show is on weekdays from 3 pm to 6 pm ET on iHeartRadio and Hannity.com. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hi, glad you're with us.
Unbeknownst to me, my wonderful staff comes in just right now and they say to me, We just put this on the website.
And I was like, what is it?
Sean Hannity, your guide to surviving the holidays.
Well, what if I don't agree with what you guys put up here?
I mean, I'm going to get blamed for anything that you put up there.
Hannity did it.
Hannity did it.
But now that I look at what you guys have linked to, it's pretty good because we don't believe in violence.
We believe in the peaceful discussions that might happen around the Thanksgiving table, the free and open exchange of ideas, ideals, opinion.
It might get a little heated with your liberal relatives.
We don't want turkey legs being thrown across the room.
One of the reasons I never got over when I would go to Disney and I take the kids when they're younger to Disney.
Everybody's walking around with either a turkey leg or a funnel cake.
Like it's like it's like a rite of passage.
I'm like, man, we don't need turkey legs.
So you want it to be peaceful, but if you want to be informed, for example, we have Democrats, they've been talking about impeaching Trump before he won the election in 2016.
So we linked to that ad there.
And that was six months before the election.
We told you we played the timeline of impeach impeach all the way from two, it started two days after Donald Trump was elected.
And remember, the attorney for the non-whistleblower, whistleblower, hearsay whistleblower.
Remember, 10 days after Trump's inaugurated, 10 days, we now know that this guy was talking about a coup.
Anyway, so since they won the election, the 26th day, that's out there.
Google saw a 4,850% increase of searches on how to impeach a president.
Less than one week after candidate Trump won the 2016 election, the media started promoting the idea with over 37 headlines.
So on the issue of impeachment, what you can get on Hannity.com is information.
So when you're dealing with crazy, maybe you have a crazy Uncle Joe in your family.
Maybe you have a zero experience hunter in your family.
I don't know.
You can start saying, well, I've got information for you.
Don't forget what Al Green said.
If we don't impeach this president, he's going to get reelected.
It's obvious they don't have a lot of faith, hope, and confidence in the people that are running.
Why do you think we're getting all these late minute entries like Mayor Bloomberg?
What do you spend $30 million, $35 million to introduce himself after he went on his apology tour?
I'm sorry about stopping Frisk for 12 years and defending it every year since I left office.
So that's what, 16, 17 years?
I didn't mean it.
I guess while he's thinking, oh, identity politics, I got to go after the African-American vote, Hispanic American vote.
What did he say about women?
He said something.
That was a big deal.
He went on an apology for that too.
We also put in this guide, how to survive the holidays with your liberal relatives.
This was very clever, Blair.
If you did this, well done.
We show how the Trump administration, yeah, you could actually read the real transcript.
Oh, Ethan's responsible.
Okay.
And whether aid to other countries was ever withheld.
Actually, it was very common practice.
Jimmy Carter did it.
Ronald Reagan did it.
George Herbert Walker Bush did it.
Let's see.
Oh, Obama did it.
Clinton did it.
George W. Bush did it.
Shocking.
And yeah, the president, this president has also cut aid to Central America on issues involving the immigration crisis.
I guess you can argue that's a quid pro quo, right?
Because either you fix the immigration crisis and you stop people from migrating into our country illegally or you're not getting money.
That sounds like a quid and a pro and a quo based on the mania of the media and the mob in the media.
The president has provided lethal weaponry and support to Ukraine.
By the way, what did the one, the only one guest, the only one witness last week, that was Ambassador Sunlin that ever talked to the president.
What did he say, the president said?
He said, I want nothing.
I don't want to quid pro quo.
I want him to do the right thing.
What did the president say on the call that everybody ignores?
He goes, I'm afraid that you might be surrounding yourself with some of the same people as your predecessor, Pershenko.
And that would not be a good idea.
So clearly in the president's mind, he had doubts about whether or not the new president of Ukraine was going to end corruption.
All valid claims.
So the president, again, they got the money.
And I love Jim Jordan's question last week.
Well, what did they do?
When did they announce it?
Announce what?
Announce it, you know, that they're doing all these things.
Well, they never did.
Oh, if they didn't announce it, then I guess there's no quo at the end of the quid and pro, right?
So anyway, and all the all these, look, all of these so-called witnesses that we heard from last, none of them are going to be allowed if there's ever a Senate trial.
They're never, they're never, none of that.
We don't need their hearsay testimony.
It's not allowed under the federal rules of evidence.
We'll ask Lindsey Graham when he's on later.
We're not going to bring people in as witnesses to offer their opinion about a transcript that we all have the ability to interpret ourselves because they're just reading the same words we're reading.
Never was there once aid ever mentioned in either of the two transcripts that the president released.
And the president, we now had the letter.
Nobody ever paid attention in the mob and the media.
The president also invited President Zelensky without any conditions three separate times to the White House.
So none of this, again, oh, but we do have a real quid and pro and quo.
I am really, I may need therapy after this.
I know you've never thought you'd hear those words come flying out of my mouth.
I may need therapy.
I don't believe in, for me, I'm not a therapy guy because I'm having a very hard time.
You and you are in there telling me maybe you should back off a little bit with the quid and the pro and the quo with Joe.
Can we correct the record?
Let's just correct the record.
The only thing that I ever said to you was we have all this amazing audio.
Can we just play the audio instead of having you giving us the verbate?
As much as I love your impersonation of Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, whoever you're impersonating at any given moment, can we please just play the audio?
That's all I said.
You could play it 100 times a day.
That's all.
Here's the thing.
You can't play.
No, here's the thing.
I am having a very hard time at the spectacular level of hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty.
It's almost like it's a marvel.
I'm marveling at one's ability to bifurcate out all objective truth, reason, and common sense.
I've been saying that.
This is like a mass hypnosis.
You have to go along with a spectacular lie.
You have to, on the one hand, act all outraged and feign your outrage and say, this is horrible.
This is what he said in the transcript is horrible.
What, get rid of corruption?
You know, I mean, it's funny.
I didn't want to watch it, but everyone said I should watch it.
So I got a hold of this transcript.
Humpty Dumpty.
Now, remember, it was James O'Keefe that exposed Jeff Zucker, the president of CNN Fake News, as basically, you can't work there if you have another opinion.
He's like, he's calling into the control room, call her a liar, whatever, all those things that we played in the tape.
So what I figured out about TV people, and I'd like to think I don't fit into this category.
I never planned on ever getting into TV.
I just wanted to be on the radio.
Now I'm in my 24th year in TV.
Yeah, and we've got the number one show on cable, thanks to all of you.
And I never thought that would happen either, but here I am.
But anyway, and they don't do very well on CNN.
This Humpty Dumpty guy gets what?
Less than a million people on a weekend, like 700,000 people or something.
So they're obsessed.
It's like the Washington Post, they got this guy that's not even in the paper that is obsessed with hating Fox News.
And it's like an industry.
Now, you would think after years of just writing the same articles, different day, Sean Hannity's the liar, liar, pants on fire, conspiracy theorist.
Meanwhile, they're the biggest liars in media.
They lied for three years.
Nobody's ever retracted.
Nobody's ever apologized.
They just go on to the next group of lies and conspiracy theories.
So Humpty Dumpty doing the bidding of his boss, stenographer Brian Stelter, a.k.a. Humpty Dumpty, is, and by the way, this guy is awful on TV.
If you ever, he needs to watch himself.
It's bad TV.
It's boring TV.
It's like, Fox sucks.
What do you think?
Do you think, I think Fox sucks.
Fox sucks.
The only people screaming that a network sucks is at a Trump rally.
CNN sucks.
That's where you're hearing a network sucks, actually.
So he goes on to be a loyal Republican these days, loyal to the president.
I'm loyal to my country.
I have fidelity to our Constitution, the rule of law.
Like I, if you had that fidelity, you'd probably have to determine Hillary violated the Espionage Act and Hillary deleting subpoenaed emails and bleach bid and hammers.
That was probably obstruction.
You'd have to think it's a bad thing, an unverified Russian dossier with funnel money through a law firm to an op research firm hiring a foreign national.
You'd have to be a little indignant and outraged over the fact that these unverified political dossier from a guy that hates Trump and everybody's warned about it was used as the basis for a Feizhorn.
Anyway, I digress.
To be that Republican, you're supposed to believe in the insane Ukraine conspiracy theory.
What is the conspiracy theory?
I don't even know what it is.
Now, we know from a Ukrainian court, I've read it repeatedly.
They determined Ukraine interfered in our 2016 election.
We've linked it many times on Hannity.com, the Politico, January 11, 2017.
Yeah, they lay out the facts about Alexander Chalupa, DNC contractor, going to the Ukrainian embassy to dig up dirt on Donald Trump and associates, and that they succeeded.
That's what the article says.
You're supposed to believe that the whistleblower made up a false story.
No, I never said the whistleblower made.
I think the whistleblower's interpretation is absurd, just like the rest of the mob in the media.
What I'd like to know is the contact that took place between the whistleblower, non-whistleblower, hearsay whistleblower that doesn't even meet the legal definition of a whistleblower with the congenital liar, the corrupt Adam Schiff's office.
I want to know what the contact was.
That would be, oh, maybe some real collusion and that Ukraine is guilty of meddling and, well, bring it up with the Ukrainian court and Politico.
I'm only reporting.
Or Maria Yovanovich wouldn't hang Trump's photo in the embassy.
I've never said that.
Never said it once.
And what we do know that the Ukrainian prosecutor general said, and John Solomon has it on videotape, if they'd ever do any research at fake news, yeah, this is a bad thing.
Yeah, she gave me a list of names of people not to prosecute.
We brought it up a few times in passing.
Anyway, and that it, but here's their problem.
Here's where it all goes south with them.
This is where they lose everybody.
Because while they're digging for something that doesn't exist again, another conspiracy theory.
And this is where I run sideways.
You got Joe Biden, you're not getting the money.
You're not getting the billion dollars.
Unless you fire the prosecutor, you got six hours.
And we know that Quidden Pro and Joe, Quid Pro quote, Joe, knew that his son was being investigated.
What's his son?
Zero experience hunter.
No experience in energy, gas, oil, or Ukraine.
That you have to ignore.
I'm having a hard time.
This is where I might need therapy, I guess.
I don't know.
Maybe.
I'd never go, by the way.
I'd never go, by the way.
Yeah.
I'd never go.
I'm died on Hannity.com.
Well, I just mentioned that while you were out of the room.
But you left out one important part.
Yes.
You have to sign up for the newsletter.
Okay.
Okay.
Go to Hannity.com.
Let me finish my point.
So here's the thing.
How do you cut off all objective truth in your brain?
How do you say that the nothing transcript is bad?
But Joe, you got six hours.
Fire the guy investigating my zero experience son or you're not getting a billion.
How do you just pass that off?
You know how they do it?
Because they are liars.
They have misled you, we, the American people, for three straight years.
That's how they do it.
And they do it, a lot of them.
I would argue, I'm convinced now, for money.
And they just need something to talk about because they're so dumb they couldn't think their way out of a wet paper bag, most of them.
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By the way, nobody.
I probably shouldn't say this because I guess therapy helps a lot of people, right?
Okay.
I used to be far more rigid about like all these psychotropic drugs that are, you know, a lot of, look, there's a lot of people that have a lot of issues that I don't understand.
People are really depressed.
People are very anxious.
You know, I have no problem with people getting help.
Religious help, clerics, counselors, rabbi, priest, preacher, you know, whatever, whatever is going to make you happy.
There's no reason going through life being miserable.
But no, I'm not that my staff is looking at me.
You'd never go to therapy.
No, you're right.
I never would.
I'm not going to be able to do that.
I'm not going to be a person exchange, you and the doctor.
What's the problem?
Oh, people are upset I'm telling the truth.
Okay, what else is wrong?
Well, they're mad because they have conspiracy theories and they're lying and I'm telling the truth.
So you're upset that people are mad at you for telling the truth?
Okay, get over it.
Next.
No, but the problem.
But it is not who I am.
I can't imagine.
Like, I never understood Howard Stern.
Remember when we interviewed him?
He's like, yeah, I go to therapy five days a week.
Well, you don't have to.
You got me.
I'm here for you every day.
I listen to you.
You got three hours a day.
I'm like, who wants to go to therapy?
Three hours a day, I got to listen to you.
He has more money than probably, you know, 99.9% of us to get.
There's no reason for therapy.
Go buy a new car and have fun in your new car.
Money doesn't buy happiness.
That's true.
Hey there.
I'm Mary Catherine Hammond.
And I'm Carol Markowitz.
We've been in political media for a long time.
Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane.
That's why we started Normally, a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.
We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.
We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously.
So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass.
You're our kind of people.
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I'm 25 to the top of the hour, 800-941 Sean.
If you want to be a part of the program, you know, people take me seriously.
We got to know I'm never going to go get derpy.
But.
This guy just called in and he says, it's obviously not a regular listener because he didn't know who I was.
And he said, I don't know who that was that said, money can't buy you happiness.
I said it, didn't I?
Just tell that person they don't know where to shop.
I found that very amusing.
That's actually a pretty good line.
I love ours.
Yeah, they're the best by far.
I can tell you this, but it's a little maddening.
You really, you just have to listen to them and you're like, really?
You're going to ignore this, this slam dunk case.
They did the same thing.
Why should I be surprised with obstruction?
You know, four investigations, no Trump-Russia collusion, none whatsoever.
The Mueller report, no Trump, Russia collusion.
And then we end up with the Mueller report, they're disappointed.
But to get there, you had to ignore the dossier, the dirty Russian dossier, the unverifiable dirty Russian dossier with the funneled money, you know, through the law firm to the research firm to the foreign national.
You're supposed to forget that didn't matter.
Ukrainian election interference doesn't matter.
Obstruction of justice, it's fine as long as your name is Hillary Rodham Clinton.
That's how you have to get there.
Now, that is a pretty spectacular level of lie for the mob in the media.
And that would be all of them pretty much.
That would be ABC, NBC, CBS, fake news, CNN.
Then you've got the Area 51 Roswell Rachel Maddow conspiracy channel, officially now known as MSDNC on this program.
And, you know, they don't, they just do this regularly.
They just lie.
They're just a bunch of statists.
They're Pravda, state-run TV.
Again, the very thing they accuse us of, they're guilty of.
CNN, one voice.
DNC, one voice.
It's all hate Trump all day, every second, every minute, every hour of every 24-hour day.
And I guess that's just our reality.
We have to, and but the great news is this is important too.
Where did I see this?
I'm trying to remember where I picked this up this morning.
I think it was in Vanity Fair actually had a piece.
And it's hard to kind of read.
You see all this.
You know, the Democrats thought they had Trump all last week.
They were there.
They were percolating.
They were happy.
They were giddy.
They thought they had their auditioned people to command.
You know, they kind of forgot that Americans are going to hear from people like me.
Yeah, that doesn't, that won't be in the Senate because those aren't real witnesses.
That's called hearsay.
Hearsay is inadmissible.
That's a problem for them.
Or opinion witnesses.
When I first read the transcript, I thought it was the worst thing I ever read.
We don't need your opinion.
You're an opinion witness.
You're a deep state operative.
You don't like Donald Trump.
Got it.
You know what the big mistake of Donald Trump in this was?
I'll tell you what his big mistake is.
He should have cleaned house immediately.
He should have wiped that place clean.
Now, a lot of people are upset because, you know, this gets kind of messy because if you're going to clean and drain a swamp, it's dirty work.
I've done a lot of dirty work in my day.
I didn't, you know, construction, labor jobs, come home, you know, filthy, dirty.
I remember 12 years old scrubbing those pots and pans and dishes at the restaurant.
They didn't have a machine.
Now you go to most restaurants, they all have a machine.
And, you know, you're just sitting there and you're like, okay, this is draining a swamp looks like this.
This is what it looks like.
And those that are the swamp creatures don't like being cleaned out.
And so now I'm looking at a lot of the polls.
There was an October Gallup poll put independents in favor of removing Trump from office at 53 to 44.
Monning morning consult, early November, greater gap, 49 to 34.
Early enthusiasm, everyone was all jacked up for this big impeachment bonanza.
How everybody was able to, again, forget that, you know, Adam Schiff was out there leading the charge for three years lying to us.
And now he's going off the cliff again instead of Russia.
Now it's Ukraine.
So it was, you know, the enthusiasm.
I guess it was a pretty, you know, big deal for them all back in the time, but then Americans are pretty smart people.
I do have faith in the American people.
Doesn't mean that we're not going to make mistakes time to time or we're not going to believe in lofty rhetoric and language that, you know, hope and change.
And yes, we can.
I mean, you get jazzed up, charged up.
You got a bumper sticker.
You know, you got a guy like Barack Obama's hope and change.
And yes, we can.
Yes, we can.
Yes, we can.
No, we can't.
You know, when it comes down to healthcare, a lot of promises that were made that were never ever fulfilled, weren't they?
You were promised, keep your doctor, keep your care and save money.
Keep your plan and save money.
On average, $2,500 per family per year is how much you're going to save.
So that, you know, every once in a while, we get a little off track.
So they thought they had this thing and polling showed that it was going to do well.
You had to forget completely that Adam Schiff was leading this whole farce.
And then you see that, oh, what happens?
All of a sudden, the American people start watching it and they're beginning to see what I see.
Then guys like me are showing you quid pro quo Joe.
And then you're hearing Hunter give the dumbest interview on television and Hunter Biden's there.
No experience, zero experience Hunter.
And then you find out, well, why did a vice president ever want his son fired?
I want to want a prosecutor fired or was going after his son.
He was warned about it.
So he's warned about his son being fired.
So he's going to take a billion taxpayer dollars and leverage it and demand they get fired and you got six hours or you're not getting the money.
Son of a bee, they fired him.
So now the American people, it starts leaking out.
They hide it.
They just tell, all they're telling their audiences is this.
Oh, there's been no credible evidence of any wrongdoing with Hunter and Joe Biden.
No credible experience.
This is a conspiracy theory.
It's on a conspiracy theory.
Joe's on tape.
He says it.
You're not getting the money.
You're not getting the billion dollars.
You're not getting it unless you fire the prosecutor.
Who's the prosecutor?
First of all, why is a vice president care?
Well, the prosecutor is the one he was told by the New York Times and others was investigating his not limited experience, zero experience son Hunter, right?
Wasn't everybody in America all outraged?
Because I guess parents were putting the faces of their beloved children on real athletes' bodies and they had zero experience.
What was it, sport rowing or something?
I don't know what you call the thing.
Yeah, everyone was so outraged about it.
Zero experience, millions, and listen to me, millions and millions of dollars.
I'd love that deal.
What experience do you have?
Well, I once sat on the board of Amtrak.
Great.
So your dad got you that gig.
Do you have any experience with trains, planes, automobile?
No.
Any experience with Ukraine?
That might qualify.
I'll never forget the day I took.
Linda has a four-year-old, cute little baby boy, wonderful kid by the name of Liam.
And I remember Linda says, can we stop at, what was it, Walmart or Target?
And can we get Liam a train?
So we go inside the Walmart.
Gomez is with me.
Sweet baby James is with me.
Sure, Linda.
We'll go pick up a toy.
Where were we coming back from on that trip?
Ruth El Rushbo.
Okay, after we interviewed Rush?
That's right.
All right.
So down, all right, sure, Linda.
You want to get a present for Liam?
Okay, we'll stop at, what is it, Target or Walmart Washington?
Okay, we go in the target and Linda's turning over every choo-choo train.
Finally, I can't take it anymore because I like to shop, but quickly, I like to get in and get out.
So I said, I'll be right back.
Gomez, come with me.
Me and Gomez, we go.
We got a cart.
I go over to the train section and I took all the train toys and I dumped them in the cart and said, let's go.
I said, this way you can decide.
It is a true story.
I'm like, this is ridiculous.
Well, this one's $4.99 and this one's $3.99.
And I don't know which one he's going to like better if he likes this choo-choo train, but get him all the choo-choo trains.
I mean, let's get out of here.
Liam should really be on the board of barisma.
He's just qualified as Hunter.
Yeah.
That's my point.
Now, if you look at the data, it's not going so well.
And you're beginning to see, especially among independents now, they're saying this impeachment issue is more important to politicians than it is to me, 62% versus 22%.
And by the way, it says more important to the media than it is to me, 6123.
These are the independents that will make the difference in Wisconsin, Michigan, maybe Minnesota, Pennsylvania, hopefully Arizona, Nevada.
Certainly we care a lot about Ohio, North Carolina, Florida.
We need everybody.
George, we need you wherever you are.
Unless you want the new Green Deal, $94 trillion insanity that they're pushing.
This is how corrupt it is.
There's a certain mindset that you have to adopt to lie on this spectacular level and not see your rank hypocrisy and not ever admit that you're wrong because they were wrong about Russia.
And then just move on to more lies, more conspiracy theories, a new hoax, and yet ignore your guy doing all of that you're acting outraged about.
What do I say?
Feigned moral outrage, selective moral outrage.
When it suits their purposes, they believe the iBelievers.
They're I believers, but only when they're bludgeoning a Republican or a Donald Trump appointee.
But we'll forget the lieutenant governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia.
You know, well, obstruction, obstruction.
But you're going to forget the 33,000 deleted subpoenaed emails.
You don't care about that.
We're not supposed to care that politico and a court in Ukraine actually determined Ukrainian election interference in 2016.
For three years, we've heard that we should really care about all of that.
Apparently not.
That's how busted your brain has to be.
That's how corrupt you have to be.
Because there's a lot of lying you're buying into here.
And then you got to turn it around.
And then you're going to say, Sean Hannity lied about what?
We've been right the whole time.
Well, the Inspector General report may not come out the way your sources told you, Hannity.
I'm like, well, maybe not.
If that happens, we're screwed.
That's all it means because the facts are not in dispute.
What do we know?
Oh, we know on multiple occasions that one occasion, Bruce Orr, Kathleen Kavlak, I'm told at least five separate occasions, the DOJ was warned.
The FBI was warned.
FBI is part of DOJ, in case you didn't know.
They were warned, don't trust Christopher Steele.
He hates Donald Trump, but he's got an agenda.
One.
Point two, Hillary Clinton paid for the dirty dossier with funneled money campaign finance issue to a law firm, to a op research firm, to a foreign national, putting aside that hypocrisy.
We don't want foreign nationals involved.
Okay.
Then you're going to have to believe that, okay, the guy, it says at the top of a FISA warrant, verified me.
We'll play it later.
Rod Rosenstein, career law enforcement officer, you're swearing.
It's an affidavit, FISA application, and you're swearing to the best of your ability that what you're presenting is true and accurate.
And if at some point you find out it's not, well, you're going to be in trouble.
Okay.
Any of you lie to a FISA court, you're in trouble.
They never, how do we know?
Hannity, how do you know it's unverifiable?
Oh, because the guy that wrote it. was put under oath under the threat of perjury in an interrogatory in Great Britain and he said, I have no idea if any of it's true.
50-50.
What do I know?
That becomes the basis to spy on Carter Page, who's going to join us at the top of the next hour.
I see him in the next room.
And then, of course, spy on the opposition presidential candidate after you saved your favorite candidate from going to jail for violating the Espionage Act and for what she did with obstruction with the subpoenaed email she destroyed and the hard drive she destroyed and the devices she had destroyed.
This is how corrupt and sick it's gotten.
There is no objective truth.
There is no zero intellectual honesty.
There is no reason.
There is no common sense.
I say mob for a reason, because it's a mob.
It's a mob mindset, a mob mentality.
They don't care about their breathtaking hypocrisy, the lies they tell, the propaganda they spew, the conspiracy theories they spin, the hoaxes they perpetrate on the American people.
And they're so freaking arrogant, high and mighty on their high horse thinking.
And in their little bubble of Twitter, they all tweet each other and then they tweet back to each other and then they retweet each other and then they outdo each other on Twitter.
No, he's the worst, worst, worst president.
No, no, no, no.
He's the worst, worst, worst, worst, worst, worst president.
This is the bubble they live in.
And the American people are saying, you know what?
This is BS.
If we don't fix this, we're screwed.
Bottom line, the country you grew up loving built on the Constitution, the rule of law, equal justice, equal application of our laws is gone.
Well, Hannity, well, you're telling us that the Pfizer reporters, if they don't conclude premeditated fraud on a FISA court, then I can't help the country because the evidence is not in dispute.
Evidence is clear, incontrovertible, and overwhelming.
That's it.
What kind of country do you want to live in?
Guess what?
You're going to get to decide in 344 days.
A lot at stake, kids.
A lot of stake.
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Evan Perez had news in the last hour that the Inspector General found what we believe to be a problem made in one of the FISA applications for Carter Page.
What I want to know from both of you, my understanding is this.
Andrew, you can't talk about it.
You're restricted from discussing the report of the investigation, right?
That's right.
I am currently, I've reviewed the report.
I'm in the process of that, and I've agreed not to speak about it in any way until that process is over.
When I look at what's happening, you've got an investigation at the highest level of our law enforcement.
That's the Attorney General investigating 2016 election and interference by potentially the FBI and the CIA.
You've also got John Durham's investigation, now a criminal investigation.
So I ask you, what exactly is debunked about 2016 interference, which is what Adam Schiff writes.
I guess he's not under oath to write this letter either, right?
He's not.
In fact, it's not debunked.
And I think the IG report is going to validate Chairman, at the time, Chairman Nunes' FISA memo that highlighted the abuses.
Look, I can tell you this.
I can't tell you what the exculpatory information is that relates to George Papadopoulos, but there was some.
And I can tell you that it was not timely delivered to the FISA court during the pendency of those FISA applications.
And I just promise you that the Inspector General report is going to address that.
So you're going to have on September 11th, the Inspector General will be before your committee.
I'm hoping we get a number of days and not on a Friday, a dump.
It'll be December 9th.
You'll get the report.
December the 9th.
That's locked.
That's locked.
All right.
That last cut was from Lindsey Graham.
Glad you're with us.
800-941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
So here we are.
It's November 25th.
And my memory serves me well.
Okay, 30 days.
So we got 14 days, a Monday, two weeks.
That means then we're going to get the FISA report.
Now, you're reading in the New York Times and the Washington Post, et cetera, et cetera, that, oh, it's not going to be bad at all.
I don't believe any of it.
I don't know what's going to be in it.
But we do know certain truths that are undeniable.
We know that the bulk of information, according to the Nunes, the Grassley Graham memos, that the bulk of information in the FISA applications was the unverifiable Steele dossier, the Russian dossier paid for, bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton.
We know there were numerous warnings by everybody not to use it, including even Bruce Orr, saying, well, Steele's got an agenda.
He hates Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton paid for it.
So it's political and none of it's verified.
And it says on top of the warrant, verified.
That's what you have to put in it.
So they used it anyway.
And then when the FBI finally got around to it, they figured out, no, 95% of it's not true.
So the question is, that would be premeditated fraud on a FISA court.
And now everyone, well, it's only this low-level so-and-so.
They're going to blame a low-level.
If your signature's on it, Rod Rosenstein himself said what should happen, that a FISA application, well, let me play Rod Rosenstein because I don't think anybody could say it any better than himself.
The irony here for him is he signed the fourth one, the third renewal application.
Here's what he said.
The way we operate in the Department of Justice, if we can accuse somebody of wrongdoing, we have to have admissible evidence and credible witnesses.
We need to prepare to prove our case in court, and we have to affix our signature to the charging document.
That's something that not everybody appreciates.
There's a lot of talk about FISA applications, and many people that I see talking about it seem not to recognize what a FISA application is.
A FISA application is actually a warrant, just like a search warrant.
In order to get a FISA search warrant, you need an affidavit signed by a career federal law enforcement officer who swears that the information in the affidavit is true and correct to the best of his knowledge and belief.
And that's the way we operate.
And if it's wrong, sometimes it is.
If you find out there's anything incorrect in there, that person is going to face consequences.
Well, we now know because of an interrogatory that the so-called author that was hired with Hillary Clinton money that she funneled to a law firm, to an op research firm, to a foreign national.
I didn't think we were supposed to have foreign nationals impacting our elections.
Yeah, that would be the dossier that was proven 90% false.
But when he was in the interrogatory, Christopher Steele said, oh, I have no idea if any of this is true.
50-50, maybe.
Carter Page is the person when I always say that one individual constitutional rights were trampled.
That's Carter Page.
That gave the deep state the back door into all things Trump campaign, Trump transition team, and then the presidency.
They spied on the president of the United States.
They spied on his candidacy.
They spied on his transition team.
Carter Page is with us now.
Apparently, what we do know is the Inspector General found evidence that an FBI lawyer manipulated a key investigative document related to the FBI secret surveillance of you.
Listen, Sean, you have correctly reported going back several years already about all of this wrongdoing and all of this false information, which led to a fraud on the FISA court.
All I know, you know, again, there's a lot of speculation and as usual, a lot of leaks to the New York Times and the Washington Post.
How convenient.
Exactly.
But the gentleman's name who was in there a dozen plus times, and again, you know, innocent till proven guilty, and we'll see what comes out.
But what I do know is this FBI lawyer, Mr. Klein Smith.
You know, I don't know in terms of what he was doing behind the scenes.
What I do know for sure is the only thing I ever asked of him was for help with all these terror threats that I was getting in April 2017.
And not only did he apparently never do anything with his colleagues, other FBI agents who I asked for help with, but just a couple of weeks later, in the middle of April 2017, is when they had the FISA leak, right?
Another felony by somebody.
And again, you know, there's so much wrongdoing.
Where do we even begin?
So the way I've been told the process works is that anybody that is mentioned in Michael Horowitz's report, this would be the time that they now would have a chance to see isolate.
This is why I think we're getting leaks, is that people get to see isolated portions that might refer to them.
That would, I assume, impact you.
You have asked to see it.
You've been denied.
I've been denied consistently and repeatedly going back many, many months.
And I've offered to help.
Well, I have various thoughts and theories about that.
All I know right now, Sean, is it's exactly what you've said about this being a completely one-sided process, right?
For example, the one person which we do know, according to Chris Como's CNN show, he had the CNN contributor, Mr. Andrew McCabe, right?
And he has attested that he actually got to read it and you get to provide his input.
So again, it's just typical one-sided reporting.
So let me ask you, this is going to come out, but your name is all over the FISA application because they were spying on you.
Now, maybe I think I'm a pretty good judge of people.
You've come on this program and you have explained that your international travels.
You pretty much have told us that you, well, no, you have told us that you'd come back and you would be debriefed by our very brave, and I believe them to be brave, the 99% of our Intel community that protects us in a very evil and dangerous world.
And we have the premier law enforcement agency and the FBI and our CIA, there's nobody better, thank God, because they all protect us, but you can't abuse those powers.
You cooperated.
You've told me many times.
You've helped your government.
You've helped your country.
You love your country.
Give us more of what can you, what else can you tell us?
Because I read more into that.
Well, Sean, I always try to act like a professional and not do a lot of, you know, follow this standard, which we have in Washington now of a lot of people in the Intel community and the DOJ and the FBI leaking.
And so I always try to believe the leaks.
I know there's a lot of falsehoods, right?
And but all I know, you know, so typically, I mean, I never talked about this for so many years, but unfortunately, when my name is on the, on, you know, all these fake news networks and in the front pages of various newspapers, I have to, you know, give the full story.
If it's a more false reporting, just to take down President Trump and But you only spoke to Mueller for how long?
It was a full day in November 22.
And you never heard back from them.
No.
No.
Nope.
But they had to know based on your past that you would download the information you had.
Let me ask you a question.
You're not going to want to answer it.
Did your government, did anybody in our government ever request you do some work for them, specific work when you were abroad?
Yeah, Sean, I don't like to talk, you know, in terms of specifics, but again, it's already been leaked.
And in this infamous Mail One case where I'm a lead witness in this indictment handed out by Preet Barara with Eric Holder and a few other senior Democrat.
So in other words, you're the source and the evidence in that case, correct?
I'm, as it's called, mail one.
And unfortunately, there's a lot of mail one that was helping his country.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And, you know.
So what do you do?
You know, what are your plans here?
Because this is now locked.
We're getting it December 9th.
Unless I get, are you taking them to court to stop it from coming out?
Well, it's an open question, Sean.
And I've been in touch with various people in DOJ again today.
Is there any, do you have any fear of what might be in there about you?
No, no fear for me.
I just fear that it's another half-truth, right?
I mean, this is when you've got guys like, you know, Democrat Andy McCabe and a lot of other CNN contributors and people like that sort of providing all this input.
And I give zero input whatsoever.
So they have to make you look bad in order to get the FISA application.
McCabe is the one that said no dossier, no FISA warrant.
So they're not going to make you look good in their application, are they?
Well, I mean, all we know is from a prior investigation and IG report that what do they say about Mr. McCabe?
He has a quote-unquote lack of candor, right?
And they said that about James Comey, too.
How many times?
I wonder if I had a lack of candor where I would be.
I think we know.
Well, I mean, and they've, that was the main thing, you know, you ask about the Mueller hearing.
They were always trying to trip me up, right?
And again, they've got a year's worth of surveillance reading all my emails and listening to all my phone calls.
If they had anything, you would be in jail.
What they tried to do is trip me up in terms of my memory, right?
Because that's, you know, perjury traps, this sort of thing.
Carter, I can't tell you who was on the show on Friday.
So, you know, it's one of those moments.
What do you plan to do then?
Because now this is scheduled to come out.
Lindsey Graham is on right after you today.
What do you plan to do?
Well, I hope that, and, you know, we can talk about this more over the coming days, but I think that I would like him to, again, so this report, as you mentioned, comes out December 9th, and then he's going to have a hearing on December 11th.
Correct.
I think it only makes sense that I also, since I had no input whatsoever, I be given the opportunity to testify and provide information in this hearing on December 11th.
Seems only fair to me.
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All right, as we continue, Carter Page is with us.
All right, so you're in a court process right now.
Others have been given an opportunity to preview at least portions of the IG report that impact them or mention them.
You've not had that opportunity yourself.
You are in touch with, if I'm not mistaken, with the IG's office.
That would be Michael Horowitz's office.
What are they telling you?
Well, it's been a very slow, stonewalling process thus far, Sean.
And I have tremendous respect for Chairman Graham, and I know he wants to move forward with this process.
So it's a delicate balance because on the one hand, I think we want this to be an accurate and fair and full report.
We've been waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting.
And I want to be as quickly as go as quick as possible in terms of providing my input.
But on the other hand, you know, there's big issues and it's not, you know, from what we're seeing thus far, it's not a full and fair report.
And it's very much one-sided.
So I'm in negotiations with various people.
I don't want to, I could spend this Thanksgiving weekend working on a emergency injunction in the D.C. district court.
I'd like to avoid that if possible.
Are they aware that this possibility is out there?
Have they showing any willingness to let you at least get a headline of what's in there about you?
Well, what I found hilarious is in the last few days, Sean, they actually cited a case in terms of their justification of why they're not giving it to me.
They cited the case of Juanita Broderick against the Clinton executive office of the president back in 2001.
And so this, and so, you know, I mean, it's one of these things.
I mean, it's so ironic because, I mean, you look at what happened to her and how, you know, she got similarly stonewalled and they're trying to use this as false arguments and potentially, you know, we're still kind of negotiating and things, but I find that pretty ironic.
And, you know, similarly, you have consistently, you know, exposed the truth in terms of all the wrongdoing that she's lived through.
I think it's fair.
And maybe if you don't even like it, it doesn't matter, but at least then you have, well, look, one way or the other, if it comes out, you will, we will give you an opportunity to come here and tell your story.
Yeah.
And I'll ask Senator Graham if he would like to recall you.
And would you like to go before his committee?
No.
Well, I've been in touch with their committee.
And maybe I'll have more to say about that on your show tonight, Sean.
So I'm waiting for some feedback.
All right.
Carter Page, thank you for being with us.
Thanks so much for everything.
941 Sean.
All right.
It's out December the 9th, getting a lot of leaks about it.
I don't really believe them, but we'll see because there's certain facts that we just know about the case.
800-941 Sean, toll-free telephone number.
Senator Lindsey Graham is next as we continue.
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What do you plan to do then?
Because now this is scheduled to come out.
Lindsey Graham is on right after you today.
What do you plan to do?
Well, I hope that, and you know, we can talk about this more over the coming days, but I think that I would like him to, again, so this report, as you mentioned, comes out December 9th, and then he's going to have a hearing on December 11th.
Correct.
I would, I think it only makes sense that I also, since I had no input whatsoever, I be given the opportunity to testify and provide information in this hearing on December 11th.
Seems only fair to me.
All right, that was Carter Page just moments ago right here on this program, 800-941 Sean.
If you want to be a part of this program, that's all part of a lot of news that will involve the great senator from the great state of South Carolina, a friend of the program, Senator Lindsey Graham.
Senator, how are you?
Welcome back.
How are you doing?
So, Carter, before we get to the issue, by the way, oh, I see a lot of people are unhappy with you, Senator, which makes me, which kind of makes me more proud of you based on who your enemies seem to be.
But so here is Carter Page.
He's been wanting to see, and apparently others like Andrew McCabe, Mr. Lacking Kandor himself, they have been given an opportunity to see what is in portions of this report on PISA abuse.
So he's looking to see what's in there about him.
And then he said that they've been unwilling to do so.
Isn't it usual practice, though, that they would let anybody mention to see that portion about them, or is that not usual practice?
I think so.
I think if you're mentioning in a report in any substantive way, they want to let you look at it.
That's what's taking so long, quite frankly.
So, September 11th is going to be Mr. Horowitz.
And after he testifies about the report, I'm sure there'll be other people who want to call based on what he tells us.
But I'm going to focus on Mr. Horowitz, his report, and what does it all mean that we'll build out from there.
You know, I want you to help me out because I'm having a very hard time wrapping my brains around breathtaking hypocrisy and a double standard and intellectual dishonesty that exists in the media mob and the Democratic Party.
Let me play for you.
Let's get to the heart of it.
Because the accusation against Donald Trump has been that Donald Trump, although he never mentioned aid, there was never a quid pro quo.
The only person that talked to him said, I want nothing.
That's what the president said.
But we do have Joe Biden saying this because it seems that everybody will ignore the obvious, well, shakedown and go after the mysterious one that doesn't exist.
And I want to see, because Joe Biden's lashing out at you, I want to just remind our audience what Joe said.
I said, I'm not going to, we're not going to give you the billion dollars.
They said, you have no authority.
You're not the president.
The president said, I said, call him.
I said, I'm telling you, you're not getting a billion dollars.
I said, you're not getting a billion.
I'm going to be leaving here.
I think it was, what, six hours?
I looked.
I said, leaving it in six hours.
If the prosecutor's not fired, you're not getting the money.
Oh, son of a got fired.
Prosecutor's not fired.
You're not getting the billion.
Now, we know another fact, Senator, and that was that Joe Biden was warned repeatedly, including by the New York Times, that he was warned that his son was being investigated by the prosecutor, that he's leveraging a billion of our tax dollars.
Now, you're thinking, well, Hunter probably deserved all the money he was making.
No, this is Hunter Biden on Good Morning America.
When he said, I hope you know what you're doing, what did he think you were doing?
Well, he read the press reports that I joined the board of Burisma, which was a Ukrainian natural gas company.
And there's been a lot of misinformation about me, not about my dad.
Nobody buys that, but it buys this idea that I was unqualified to be on the board.
What were your qualifications to be on the board of Burisma?
Well, I was vice chairman of the board of Amtrak for five years.
I was the chairman of the board of the UN World Food Program.
I was a lawyer for Boyce Schiller-Flexner, one of the most prestigious law firms in the world.
You didn't have any extensive knowledge about natural gas or Ukraine itself, though.
No.
But I think that I had as much knowledge as anybody else that was on the board, if not more.
In the list that you gave me of the reasons why you're on that board, you did not list the fact that you were the son of the vice president.
Of course.
Yeah.
What role do you think that played?
I think that it is impossible for me to be on any of the boards that I just mentioned without saying that I'm the son of the vice president of the United States.
You were paid $50,000 a month for your position?
Look, I'm a private citizen.
One thing that I don't have to do is sit here and open my kimono as it relates to how much money I make or make or did or didn't.
But it's all been reported.
If your last name wasn't Biden, do you think you would have been asked to be on the board of Burisma?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Probably not.
I don't think that there's a lot of things that would have happened in my life that if my last name wasn't Biden.
Probably not.
Now, Senator, maybe you can help me out.
I'm just a simple talk show host.
Maybe I'm not that smart.
But to me, the very thing that the media and the Democrats are claiming about Donald Trump without any evidence is the very thing that Joe and Hunter did.
Now, Joe Biden has lashed out at you and said, I'm embarrassed by what Lindsey Graham is doing.
I want you to give you a chance to respond.
Well, number one, Vice President Biden was given the Ukraine portfolio by President Obama.
He was assigned the task of dealing with the Ukraine.
One of the things he was looking at is corruption in the Ukraine.
I want all your listeners to know that the Ukraine is a valuable ally, but a very corrupt country.
Here's the question.
If you're assigned to look at corruption, how could your son become a board member of Burisma?
a company run by the most corrupt guy in the Ukraine.
So Cheka is the president of Burisma.
In 2015, the American ambassador to the Ukraine urged the prosecutor general to take more seriously corruption.
So Cheka was the environmental minister in the Yanukovych administration, and he was mentioned by name as being corrupt.
So the questions go like this.
If you're assigned to investigate corruption, how do you explain the fact that your son became a board member of one of the most corrupt companies in Ukraine?
And the question for me is, did Hunter Biden use his political influence to stop the investigation of Burisma after it was opened on February the 2nd?
There's plenty of evidence that Hunter Biden and his business associates called the State Department after the president's home was raided.
I want to know what happened and I want to know what Joe Biden did, if anything.
Well, I'd like to know.
I mean, is there a readout of the calls?
Are there any notes on the calls?
By the way, as long as we're going to now release transcripts of presidents, why not vice presidents and the conversations that they have with countries like Ukraine?
And I'd actually be interested in what more flexibility meant for Vladimir Putin with Barack Obama.
And I'd kind of like to know what Obama said to the mullahs in Iran before he gave him $150 billion.
Right.
So let's get back to the timeline here.
John Solomon's reporting is very important to me.
So Burisma hires Hunter Biden.
Obviously, they hire him for political influence.
There's no other reason they would pay him $50,000.
But also, did they hire him as an insurance policy?
As long as he's on the board of Burisma, they're probably not going to get hit too hard because Hunter Biden's on the board.
The question is, was that a good bet by Burisma?
Did Hunter Biden activate a political network to stop the investigation of Burisma?
On February the 4th, when the Prosecutor General announced the investigation against Burisma, Hunter Biden calls the State Department, Tony Blinken, contacts the State Department.
Tony Blinken used to be the chief staff to Joe Biden.
Hunter Biden's business partner, Mr. Archer, eventually meets with Secretary of State John Kerry.
Joe Biden, the vice president, begins to call the president of Ukraine, Prashchenko, numerous times in about 10 days, three times in 10 days, actually goes to the Ukraine in March.
And about a week later, they fire the prosecutor.
So here's the question.
Did Hunter Biden use his influence to stop the investigation of the company he was receiving $50,000 a month from?
I'm not going to be deterred from asking those questions.
I want the read out of the phone call between the vice president, the president of Ukraine.
There may be nothing there.
I hope there's not.
I'd be the first to say.
But we're not going to live in a country where you just look at Republican.
I like Joe Biden.
He's a friend.
But friendship is not going to stop me from doing my job.
If the shoe were on the other foot, the media would be burning Washington down to get answers to this.
They tell me this has been all looked at.
There's nothing there.
And I said, who looked at it?
Political fact.
Are you giving me a break?
Are you kidding me?
The bottom line here is they're trying to not ask any questions about the Biden connections to corruption.
We're going to ask.
How is it possible?
I've never in my life witnessed that kind of breathtaking hypocrisy like we're describing here.
Because we keep.
Go ahead.
Let me tell you how it's possible.
When it comes to Trump, they've been trying to destroy his presidency from the day one.
Mueller investigation.
Chris Koons, who's a friend from Delaware, I do a lot of business for Chris, asked me to sign on to a legislation to prevent Mueller from being fired without cause, plus their cause.
I did that to make sure the investigation would continue.
I didn't think the president was going to fire Mueller, but I wanted to let him know that would be a bad decision.
I trusted Mueller to take a hard look at it, to be fair.
He did.
He found no evidence of collusion and no evidence of obstruction of justice that could lead to a chargeable offense.
So I was glad to help Chris Kuhn.
Now they're criticizing me for asking questions about whether or not Hunter Biden, who was receiving $50,000 a month from one of the most corrupt people in the Ukraine, tried to stop an investigation of the gas company where he was serving as a board member.
If that's not a double standard, I don't know what is.
When Joe Biden went after John McCain as the vice presidential nominee in 2008, I never doubted they were friends, but his job was to make sure McCain would not become president.
I doubt if anybody asked Joe Biden, you're saying all these bad things about John McCain.
How do you explain your friendship?
How is it that they try to shut down any questions when they act with such severity and they're trying to impeach a president because the president said, hey, will you look into the corruption in your country?
Good question.
And they literally will ignore this, just like they supposedly.
Right.
So they're not going to get to ignore it.
I didn't start this.
They did.
I thought after the Mueller report, it would be overshine.
No collusion, no obstruction.
I thought it was gone.
Well, they didn't really care about the Russian dossier.
They didn't really care about the deleted emails and bleach bid and hammers, did they?
And they didn't really care about, let's see, I believers when it had to do with the lieutenant governor in the great Commonwealth of Virginia, did they?
No, and the bottom line here is it was okay for me, and I know you didn't agree, to make sure Mueller could do his job because I wanted to make sure that the allegations against the president were thoroughly investigated by somebody outside of politics.
I am dead set on trying to stop this sham in the House because Adam Schiff is one of the most partisan people in the House.
What they're doing to President Trump is un-American.
There's no due process as we know it.
And there are legitimate questions about whether Hunter Biden, sitting on the board of Barisma, used his political influence to stop the investigation.
And is that what led to the firing of the prosecutor?
I'm going to find out as much as I can and let the chips fall where they may.
Let me take a break, Senator Lindsey Graham.
I want to talk to you if these House members do send over this impeachment to the Senate, whether hearsay will be admissible.
Also, a preview of the hearings that will take place on December the 11th after the Horowitz releases after Horowitz releases his report on the 9th.
All right, as we continue, South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham is with us.
All right, Senator.
So if they bring this over to the House, will hearsay be admissible?
Will any of these opinion witnesses or hearsay witnesses, is that going to be, that charade going to be brought over to the United States Senate from the U.S. House of Representatives?
Well, the first thing we'll have to do if they do impeach the president is pass a resolution governing the terms and conditions of the trial in the Senate.
I think what they're doing in the House is a danger to the presidency as an institution.
Starting a process without due process, not allowing the president's counsel to participate, not allowing Republicans to call witnesses.
One of the reasons I'm asking for the transcript of the phone call between Vice President Biden and the president of Ukraine is that when they tried to ask these questions in the House, Adam Schiff shut them down.
So what I want to have in a resolution of the trial of the president and the Senate, if we get that far, is that the federal rules of evidence will apply to the House proceedings.
Well, it would have to.
Yeah, I mean, I think so.
All right, let me ask you one last question here because I think this is very, very important.
Do you agree with me?
Because there's a lot of leaking about this Horowitz report.
Is there any doubt in your mind?
We know the warnings that were given.
Don't trust Steele.
He's got an agenda.
It's anti-Trump.
It's not verified.
Hillary paid for it.
Numerous warnings, but it was the bulk of evidence in the FISA applications.
My question, isn't that, is any other conclusion than premeditated fraud on a court even possible?
Because we're hearing in the New York Times, oh, it's not bad at all.
Only low-level people.
Well, I do know this.
I know that Bruce Orr let the system know that Steele was very in the tank against Trump.
I know the State Department, after meeting with Steele, contacted the FBI that this guy is trying to get us involved in sending out the Russian dossier.
I know that after Steele was let go by the FBI, he continued to talk to Orr.
I can give you three or four examples of where Christopher Steele's bias was well known and documented and was conveyed to the highest level of Department of Justice, the FBI.
So here's the question.
You'll never convince me that James Comey, Clapper, Brennan, McCabe were not biased against Trump.
If you say they have no bias against Trump, you've missed a lot.
Senator All right, Senator Lindsey Graham, South Carolina.
Thank you, Senator.
We'll have more about all of this tonight on Hannity 9 Eastern on Fox.
The senator will be joining us when we come back.
Your biased, abusively biased, corrupt mob in the media.
How do they even live with themselves?
That's next.
Stay right here for our final news roundup and information overload.
Hello, I am Rachel Maddow, and we are live from Tyler Perry Studios in Atlanta.
So hello, and good afternoon.
And I want to start the debate with the question on everyone's mind.
Who can beat Donald Trump?
Oh, me, me, me, me, me, me.
My hand went up first again.
That's not how it works, but go ahead.
Right, right, right.
Look, I know in past debates I've been accused of being overambitious.
I got mom hosting Thanksgiving energy.
I'm a little overwhelmed because I thought 10 people were coming and now there's 30 million.
But I promise dinner will be ready if you just get out of the kitchen and stop asking questions.
And of course, this Thanksgiving, I'll be cooking my specialty, and maybe don't say it, the food of my ancestors.
Should I say it?
I'm going to say maze.
I want to begin.
I want to begin by thanking you all for the well wishes.
I did have a heart attack, act, act, act, act.
But you want to know by now, I'm doing better than ever.
Doctors were surprised I made it.
And I'm very proud of the fact that I was the first heart attack patient to show up to the emergency room in a city bus.
Let's go now.
Vice President Biden, you're flashing your teeth at me.
I just want everyone to know, America, I see you.
And I see the faces you all make when I talk.
You're scared.
Scared I'll say something off color or even worse, on color.
What I want you to know is you should be scared because I'm always one second away from calling Corey Booker Barack.
Okay, that brings us to tonight's next topic, which is healthcare.
Okay, I don't know how you got buzzards, but Bernie, Bray and first, here's my plan for healthcare.
No coat pay, no out-of-pocket.
The only thing that comes out of my pocket are tissues, receipts, moof cough drops, a movie stop for Florence Foster Jenkins, which was a self-and of course, the little button in the baggie that comes with the pants.
Most people throw it out.
Do yourself a favor, hold on to it.
You never know.
All right, Saturday Night Live, which used to be really, really funny.
Well, it used to be much funnier.
That was pretty funny, though.
All right, from this weekend.
Glad you're with us.
News Roundup and Information Overload Hour, Sean Hannity Show, 800-941.
Sean, you want to be a part of the program?
Here to debate, discuss all of the issues that we're now facing, including, yeah, this whole Ukrainian hypocrisy, mental bifurcation issue, the release of the Horowitz report.
We got some photos out of, yeah, a glimpse, if you will, of Orgy Island.
They're all young girls.
It's all young girls on this thing.
It's unbelievable.
Joe Concha is with us, as well as our good dear friend.
We haven't had him on in a while.
He fills in regularly on this program, our friend Mark Simone.
By the way, every time I go out to a steakhouse, there's Mark.
Every time I go to an event in New York, there's Mark.
There's Mark and Curtis, Curtis and Mark.
I see you guys.
I mean, and I don't go out that much.
I'm a loser.
I'm like hiding away from everybody at all times.
We should all be losers like you.
And first of all, filling in regularly.
You take one day off a year, maybe.
I don't take enough days off.
That's true.
I can't help myself.
I am a workaholic.
I admit it.
Everybody in my life knows it's true, including my staff, which yells at me that I don't take off enough.
But I do see you at every event.
That's the fun part.
Well, that means you're there too.
Yeah, but I'm not that many of the events.
You're there at every one that I'm at.
I like being out every night.
I like going to work every day from a different direction.
No, I do.
We're proud of you, by the way.
You spend millions a year just on coach rooms.
You really?
Anyway, Mark Simone and Joe both host on our flagship here in New York, the all-new AM710WOR.
Joe Concha putting out a tweet that got retweeted by the president today.
Emerson College poll, impeachment among independents.
49% opposed, 34% support.
You see why Pelosi is reluctant to go in with us?
I'd say, Joe, the answer is I don't think she has any choice because of the radical base in the House of Representatives led by the squad.
I think she has to go forward.
Yeah, and I guess the reason why you don't see me out a lot, Sean and Mark, because I have kids.
I can't go out every night.
And I go to Arby's when I do go out.
So you two are very fortunate.
You know, your kids wait till they're 18 and 21.
They'll abandon you like they do every other parent.
You know, they'll have their, it's called having their own life.
For now, I'm the hero.
They haven't turned on me yet.
But yeah, give yourself some credit there, Sean, because that tweet that the president quoted me on was actually when I was on your show on Friday night.
Jason Chaffetz was tuning in, and I guess he was watching and then kind of paraphrased me.
And there it goes out to 65 million people.
So that was kind of crazy when your phone starts blowing up when that happens.
But yeah, look, in terms of Pelosi, this is a huge loser for her because you see that poll that you just cited, 49% oppose impeachment, 34% support, and that's among independents.
Independents decide elections.
Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, those sort of states are where this sort of thing matters.
And in the end, you have Nancy Pelosi and Democrats having to go home during Thanksgiving, go home during Christmas and say, okay, what have you worked on in terms of since you've taken back the House of Representatives?
How about the USMCA, the trade agreement?
How about the Oipio crisis?
How about the border crisis?
How about infrastructure, which the president is more than willing to work with you on?
All these things.
So all they have to say now is that Trump is bad and they have no record to run on.
It sounds a lot like Hillary Clinton in 2016 saying, vote for me, make me the first woman president.
He's bad, and I really don't have a message.
Where do you think this is going, Mark Simone?
Absolutely nowhere.
If you went to a real trial, all of these people would be disqualified.
They have no direct knowledge.
Vinman, God bless him for his military service.
Nobody knows what the hell this guy does all day.
You know, he was on What's My Line once, and the panel couldn't figure out what he did for a living, even after he told us.
By the way, how many offers did he get to work with Ukraine?
What was the position that he was apparently offered over there?
Well, apparently it's easy to get a job in the Ukraine to ask Hunter Biden.
All right, let me ask you that because I can't get over it.
Linda's on my case and Linda's like your best friend.
You guys are like talking day and night, night and day, day and night.
But here's the thing.
I can't get over what is breathtaking hypocrisy.
And she goes, you talk about it too much.
I'm like, Linda, it's everything they're accusing Trump of, we've got all the evidence of.
Absolutely.
You look at this Hunter Biden.
This kid thrown out of the military for drugs.
He gets pulled over by the cops.
They find three driver's licenses, a crackpipe and a badge.
He's sleeping with his brother's widow.
A Ukrainian oil company says, we got to get this guy on the board.
This is perfect.
And I stayed out of the Maury Povich issue last week with him because I just like, I want to stay focused.
Fire the guy.
You're not getting the billion unless you fire the prosecutor that he knew was investigating his zero experience son, zero experience oil gas of Ukraine.
How do the Democrats bifurcate their brains this way?
I don't get it.
Well, because many of them have brothers-in-laws, relatives on the payroll.
They got to protect us.
Look at this Biden kid.
He was on the board of MasterCard, on the board of Amtrak.
I'm sure it's a massive coincidence.
They're all things Joe Biden regulated.
He monetized his office.
Look at these guys that go into office with no money.
They leave with 50 million.
This is how it happened.
Well, that's Peter Schweitzer's book, Joe.
That's Secret Empires.
I mean, there's a lot of them, Republicans, too, by the way.
It's not just Democrats.
And I think that's why impeachment didn't sell, because if Donald Trump was perfectly squeaky clean, and, you know, let's face it, he was a real estate billionaire here in New York.
You get your hands dirty a little bit.
You got sharp elbows.
He speaks like regular people do.
So to throw out, if you're going to try to impeach a president 300 and what, 45 days before an election over because he was going to grant the Ukrainian president a meeting, if that country announced they were going to investigate the Bidens, which the Bidens deserved to be investigated, as you mentioned, that's your selling point.
That's the big sell.
And particularly after Russia, when we heard for two years with the Mueller report, all the bombshells and devastating stories and the noose is tightening and the walls are closing in and it's the beginning of the end and all these clichés we heard over and over.
By the time we got to Ukraine and impeachment, the American public was exhausted and they were pissed off because they want to see Congress.
They want to see our government actually solve problems instead of these food fights back and forth and a president here that we have that's willing to work with Democrats on those things that I mentioned before.
So that's why this thing is failing so much because of basically fatigue and overselling constantly to the point where no one trusts the messenger, the messenger being political media anymore.
I don't think the media recovers ever.
I think fake news is tattooed into the forehead of all of these corrupt news organizations, Mark Simone.
No, it's going to be a big problem.
Also, I can't remember his name, the kid with the hat that Nicholas Sandman.
Nicholas Sandman, this lawsuit is now allowed to go forward against the Washington Post, CNN, and others.
This could be a landmark case.
Let me tell you something.
Here's my prediction.
This kid is going to be as rich as you.
He's going to be a billionaire.
Did you know, by the way, Concha, you do know Simone's like rich as hell, right?
Well, he certainly dresses that way.
I mean, no better pants than he does, and he smells great, like my co-host Kabara.
What the hell you're smelling me for?
Yeah, you know what?
You're getting a little weird on us here, Joe.
You're breaking up.
She thinks he smells great.
If this kid sets the precedent, you know how many more lawsuits these companies will be in court for the rest of the life?
I'm going to tell you what's going to happen.
They're all going to pay because they're all guilty.
This is not a public figure.
This is libel slander.
They smeared everything they said about that kid, even when the facts were known.
Mark, there was no due diligence.
They took a 15-second snippet.
They didn't ask one question.
Everything they said about this kid was a lie.
And it's going to open a floodgate.
This could be it for all these.
They're going to sign nondisclosure and they're going to pay this kid hundreds and millions of dollars, I would argue, into the billions.
You know why?
Because I know Lynn Wood.
Lynn Wood's a friend of mine.
He's the attorney.
He was the attorney of Richard Jewell.
He's good.
Yeah.
And these are all big corporations that own these things.
And that's when they'll step in.
That's when Comcast steps in and cracks down, saying we can't have this happen again.
We've got licenses.
We've got shareholders.
Stop the fake news.
Yeah, Joe, where do you think it's headed?
I think the inmates are running the asylum, to Mark's point.
In other words, we have just producers and we have reporters and we have all these people going ahead with stories, particularly when they're anti-Trump.
You ever know?
It only goes in one direction and knowing that there won't be any consequences in terms of if they get it wrong, suspensions, even firings.
They just go ahead and they do it.
If they get it wrong, oh, well, we got some clicks out of it.
We got some ratings out of it.
And that's that.
If this lawsuit proceeds and Sandman wins the kind of money that you're talking about, Sean and Mark, then you're going to see a complete and total change in terms of the types of checks and balances that we should have, should have in our news organizations.
And only money is going to get these people's attention, nothing else.
All right.
Let me go to, we got pictures because we're in New York, we get these things called tabloid newspapers, which I still enjoy reading the hard copy of.
I'm sure Mark is, right?
I mean, I pick them up every day.
I'd like to read it and feel it because I delivered it when I was eight years old or papers when I was eight years old, the Daily News in the morning.
So we got photos of Orgy Island.
Let me throw this at Mark's.
Why are you throwing it at me?
Let's throw this to Mark.
I don't know anything about Orgy.
I'll tell you what.
I got to take a break.
We'll pick it up on the other side.
Give Mark time.
We'll give Mark some time to think about it.
I didn't ask if you were there.
Why do you have a guilty conscience?
Why are you saying you're never there?
Nobody asked you if you were there.
All right, as we continue, Mark Simone and Joe Concha are with us.
All right, so new photos.
I saw this in the paper today.
We got the Lolita Express, as it's dubbed, the Epstein plane, then Orgy Island.
And then you get the pictures, and they're all young women on an island.
And then you got the most horrific interview.
It was maybe as dumb as Hunter Biden's interview with Prince Andrew.
You know, couldn't even say, well, he did something borge.
No, he's a pedophile, you idiot.
I like the part about I don't sweat.
That's a medical condition.
No, it's never having a job.
That's why you don't sweat.
No, he does sweat.
They have pictures of him sweating at the time he said he didn't sweat.
But now the question, Michael Baden, who I respect Michael Baden, he doesn't think it was a suicide.
It wasn't a suicide.
It was absolutely not a suicide.
Why do you say that?
That prison has had a lot of problems.
A guard got paid off.
And in January, they arrested a guard, convicted him, and sentenced him.
So there's a history of this stuff at that prison.
Another prisoner got found with 20 cell phones in his cell.
Guards get bought off at that prison.
I know people in the prosecutor world said they can't believe they let him, they held him in that prison.
They should have put him somewhere else.
It's not suicide.
They arrested the two prison guards in this case.
Maybe I'm sensitive to it because my mom was a prison guard.
My mom was forced to work 16-hour shifts.
And didn't fall asleep and put in false entries.
No, but I'm saying, when you have to do 16 hours a day for day 60, you know what?
I would fall asleep.
Joe, what did you want to say?
Yeah, I was about to say, when your mom was working in prisons, there were no computers to be playing around on and buying furniture on, which one of the guards was doing.
But I still, I don't know.
I think, I don't know why Attorney General Barr would try to mislead anybody in this situation.
He said that the video shows that nobody entered that cell before Epstein was found dead.
That was the one thing that made me pause and say, well, I guess maybe somebody, you know, because you always think a hanging that you're hanging.
You don't think a hanging when your feet are on the ground.
It's possible he would have killed himself.
Not at that point.
He was months away from that point.
There are attorneys that met with him that Friday.
He had real hopes of getting bail.
And the way he was talking to these attorneys, it didn't look like he was going to be able to get him.
Yeah, we had David Schoen on.
I guess you probably did too.
But I mean, David met him two days before.
Yeah, and he was nowhere near that point where it was, he got desperate.
Do you think, well, I got to take a break.
Stick around.
We'll continue.
More with Joe Concha.
Mark Simone, 800-941-Sean is our number.
We'll get a couple of calls in the next half hour as well as we continue.
One of Epstein's accusers, Virginia Roberts, has made allegations against you.
She was very specific about that night.
She described dancing with you and you profusely sweating and that she went on to have baths possibly.
There's a slight problem with the sweating, because I have a peculiar medical condition, which is that I don't sweat, or I didn't sweat at the time.
And that was, oh, actually.
Yes.
I didn't sweat at the time because I had suffered what I would describe as an overdose of adrenaline in the Falklands War when I was shot at.
And I simply, it was almost impossible for me to sweat.
Do you remember dancing at Tramp?
No, that couldn't have happened because the date that is being suggested, I was at home with the children.
You know that you were at home with the children?
Was it a memorable night?
On that particular day that we now understand is the date, which is the 10th of March, I was at home.
I was with the children.
I'd taken Beatrice to a Pizza Express in Woking for a party at, I suppose, sort of four or five in the afternoon.
Why would you remember that so specifically?
Why would you remember a Pizza Express birthday and being at home?
Because going to Pizza Express in Woking is an unusual thing for me to do.
A very unusual thing for me to do.
I've never been, I've only been through Woking a couple of times and I remember it weirdly distinctly.
As soon as somebody reminded me of it, I went, oh, yes, I remember that.
You were perceived by the public as being the party prince.
Was that something you shared?
That's also a bit of a stretch.
I don't know why I've collected that title because I never have really partied.
I was single for quite a long time in the early 80s.
But then after I got married, I was very happy.
And I've never really felt the need to go and party.
And certainly going to Jeffries was not about partying.
Absolutely not.
You said you weren't very good friends, but would you describe him as a good friend?
Did you trust him?
Yes, I think I probably did.
Witnesses say they saw many young girls coming and going at the time.
There is video footage of Epstein accompanied by young girls.
And you were there staying in his house, catching up with friends.
I never, I mean, if they were, then I wasn't a party to any of that.
I never saw them.
I mean, you have to have to understand that his house, I described it more as almost as a railway station, if you know what I mean, in the sense that there were people coming in and out of that house all the time.
What they were doing and why they were there, I had nothing to do with.
So I'm afraid I can't make any comment on that because I really don't know.
Another guest was John Brockman, the literary agent.
Now, he described seeing you there getting a foot massage from a young Russian woman.
Did that happen?
No.
You're absolutely sure or you can't remember?
Absolutely sure.
So John Brockman's statement is false.
Well, I don't know Mr. Brockman, so I don't know what he's talking about.
But that definitely wasn't you getting a foot massage from a Russian girl in Jeffrey Epstein's house.
No.
It might seem a funny way to break off a friendship, a four-day house party of sorts with a dinner.
It's an odd way to break off a friend.
That's a very stark way of putting it.
Yes, you're absolutely right.
But actually, the truth of it is that I actually only saw him for about what?
The dinner party, the walk in the park, and probably passing in the passage.
Christmas ornaments, Drywall, and Jerry Epstein.
Name three things that don't hang themselves.
That's what the American people think.
That's what the American people think.
And they deserve some answers.
Everybody seems to have an opinion on this.
I don't really have an opinion.
I don't know.
I mean, I really respect Michael Biden.
I respect the Attorney General.
I don't think the Attorney General is going to lie about something like that.
Either somebody went into Epstein's cell or didn't go into Epstein's cell.
But you look at all of this smoke and you think there's got to be some fire here.
And then you add all the names of people.
We continue, by the way, with Joe Concha and our friend Mark Simone, all the people involved with Epstein.
Why was Prince Andrew on his plane and on his island after he was a convicted person?
For the same reason he was there before.
We know what he was there for.
Listen, there's no question that everybody's guilty here.
I've met Jeffrey Epstein a couple of times.
Nobody ever hung out with this guy for his personality.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
When did you meet Jeffrey Epstein?
How do you know him?
A few times here and there, but I never got close to him.
Hang on.
Here it comes.
You never met him, hung out with him, spoke with him.
I've never spoken to him more than two minutes, but even that was painful.
He was the world's dullest guy.
Nobody hung out with this guy for his personality.
That's why it was money, women, whatever it was.
I was always warned to stay away from him.
One of the people who warned me years ago was Donald Trump.
Really?
Also a couple other New York billionaires.
Everyone tried to connect Trump to this guy, but if he had anything on Donald Trump, Donald Trump didn't care because he threw his ass out of Mar-a-Lago.
Caught Epstein preying on a young girl in the locker room.
It turned out was the daughter of a member and he had him banned from Mar-a-Lago.
What do you think about how the media, look, they always say, well, conservatives are into a conspiracy theorist.
I'm saying openly, Joe Concha, I don't know the answer.
I have no idea.
But Michael Biden has a lot of credibility and so does the Attorney General.
So you got people on both sides of it.
And I'm just wondering, what the hell's going on here?
I just wish Johnny Cochran was still alive because then Prince Andrew can hire him and then Cochran can declare if he doesn't sweat, he wasn't on the jet.
I mean, that did rhyme, just like the gloves thing, right?
But what's amazing, conspiracy here, Sean, from a media perspective is the fact that Amy Roebuck at ABC said she had the story three years ago.
She said we had Clinton, we had everybody.
And since then, I haven't seen Amy Roebach on the air on Good Morning America.
I know that an employee at CBS was fired because they think that that employee, a young girl, leaked that video out to the press.
Nothing about that from CBS, NBC, ABC.
But apparently it wasn't the girl.
That's the point.
This girl got fired for what?
Nothing.
Well, that's exactly right.
And we still don't know what happened to her in terms of did CBS hire her back?
Is she going to sue CBS for wrongful termination?
But most importantly, in terms of all these networks not reporting on this story again.
And I just can't believe that we're all just going to let this go under the rug.
And no one talked about the fact that ABC could have prevented more young girls from being victimized over the last three years when Roebuck originally had the story, but no one wants to talk about that for some reason.
Let me go back to you on this question I was asking Mark in the last half hour, and that is, how does the media just say, oh, no, no, there's no credible person has ever thought anything untoward with Joe and Hunter Biden?
It takes my breath away because I read and I reread and reread the transcript of the president with President Zelensky and I hear nothing.
They don't ever mention Aid.
They actually say he's never been proven guilty of anything, but that's because there's never been any investigation.
That's the point.
But how does the media go, you know, full head on into this?
Let me start with Joe.
And they're just, but not Joe and Hunter with all the evidence you could ever want.
How is that possible?
I'm like, it's a bifurcated brain here.
It's a very simple test you could do with almost every story.
Take someone who is very similar on their right side of the aisle.
All right.
In this case, you have Hunter Biden.
All right.
Then make it Donald Trump Jr.
And what if Donald Trump Jr. did all these things, made $83,000 a month for a Ukrainian gas company when he doesn't speak Ukrainian and never worked for, you know, a gas or an energy company?
And what do you think the media coverage would be in that case?
It would be 24-7, the apocalypse is upon us, and obviously guilty until proven innocent.
And that's the only test you ever have to do.
Just take somebody from the right, put them in the same position, like a math equation, and you'll have a much, much different result.
Now, Mark Simone, you do have, you have an ability that I definitely don't have in life is like everybody likes you.
I mean, you have.
Everybody likes me.
No, they do.
Everybody, every, you get along with all of these media people.
You know many of them in New York.
You're at the same soires with them.
And I'm just kidding about that part, but you know that, but they like you.
What is going on in their heads that they can bifurcate and compartmentalize away real truth, real evidence, a real scandal, real corruption, real blackmail, bribery, whatever you want to call it, shakedown.
Because they're so biased, so corrupt.
There's guys like Chuck Todd or whoever they're just totally corrupt, totally biased.
There's other people, even a couple on MSNBC, who don't really believe it, but would like to keep their job.
Whoa, who name names?
I can't name any names, but some of these guys are not so liberal.
Liberal Joe.
Sorry.
Well, you might have one there.
There's a couple others, but they just.
But it's, look, it is, there is a psycho base out there for some of this nonsense.
Yeah, get your phone, Mark.
I'll talk while you're answering your phone.
That's fine.
You're a professional radio host.
I love you.
But, you know, even that Amy Robeck interview was so rigged, so corrupt.
She never said, when did you actually go to a meeting?
Did you ever set foot in the Ukraine during the time you worked there?
You don't speak Ukrainian.
How did you talk to anybody?
How did you listen to the meeting?
Nobody ever asked anyone.
Listen, I'm just grateful.
You know, so you got Humpty Dumpty, who thanks to Project Veritas, Joe Concha, we always knew that he was Jeff Zucker's stenographer.
So Humpty Dumpty is going out there and saying, well, to be a Republican these days, you have to believe certain things.
to be a loyal Republican, loyal to the president.
You're supposed to believe in the insane Ukraine conspiracy theory.
What one?
That Joe and Hunter, that zero experience Hunter was being investigated and his father used a billion dollars to shake down Ukraine to fire the prosecutor in six hours?
No, that's actually, that happened.
You know, you're supposed to believe that the whistleblower made up a false story.
No, I just want to know the contact with the congenital liar's office.
Then he says the Ukraine is guilty of meddling in the 2016 election.
Well, Ukrainian court and politico said that in great detail.
And that Yovanovich, who I frankly, we only mentioned in passing, thinks that I'm part of a conspiracy.
This is meant.
It's like the lie is the truth.
The truth is a lie.
Up is down, down is up.
What the hell is going on?
And people at home just don't really even know what to believe anymore, right?
Because there's just so much misinformation out there or stories that aren't reported.
And I brought it up before, but I think you were referring to Brian Stelter in terms of the Humpty Dumpty analogy.
Look, he is not reported on.
This is Stelter.
In any capacity, the Amy Roebuck story and them having it three years ahead of time and that CBS employee being fired.
Now, I get why ABC wouldn't do it.
They don't want to embarrass their own news division.
I don't justify it.
But why is CNN covering for Jeffrey Epstein or covering for ABC or covering for CBS?
So you want to bring up Brian Stelter in terms of what he thinks should or shouldn't be covered or questions that Republicans need to be asked.
He needs to answer the question, why haven't you covered this story?
What are you trying to hide?
And putting in a newsletter for two lines isn't covering it.
He has an hour every Sunday doing a media affairs show.
He could cover it there.
He could cover it on CNN.com.
He hasn't, and I don't know why.
But I don't even look at it as him.
Don't take him seriously, Sean.
He wants to get it.
He wants to like the people Mark were mentioning.
You want to work at fake news CNN, Mark Simone?
You've got to toe the line.
If you want to work at MSDNZ, you've got to toe the party line.
It's not like Fox locality, right?
You watch Fox.
There's liberals, there's conservatives, there's people that love Trump, there's people that hate Trump, and they all work there.
You don't see that at CNN.
They have a panel of 12 people.
They got a liberal.
I would venture a guess people hate me and my own network.
But they disagree with me.
I don't care.
So what?
Yeah, but I mean, you debate people all the time.
You never see that on CNN.
Well, but the point is, it is one voice.
Jeff Zucker, we now know, is telling everybody what to do and say, and he's got an agenda.
What's the agenda?
The agenda is get Trump out of office.
That's all it is.
And, you know, the problem is the only time you get rid of a president after one term, it's only happened three times, Carter, Ford, Bush Sr., they all had a disastrous economy.
So there's no way to get him out now.
So they have to either arrest him and convict him out or just try to fake news him out.
But the fake news, if they've just cried Wolf too many times, it doesn't register with anybody anymore.
Why do they hate this president so much?
Joe Concha, last question.
It's part of it, I think, is hate, but I think also part of it is a business decision.
You know, impeachment's pretty good for business, not as great as they thought it would be.
And I think it's just getting to the next contract in terms of pleasing their bosses and then conforming to what everybody else is saying within the hive so they can be accepted.
All they really care about is really acceptance and love from their fellow journalists, and they really don't care about their viewers or their readers that much.
They're not there to serve them.
They're there to impress each other.
And you see that on Twitter every day with the retweets and the likes and the sharings and so on.
There's no more rivals anymore.
Everybody's in agreement mostly on many stories that they're covering.
They're all like trying to outdo each other.
It's the swamp.
Somebody said to Trump when he got elected, if you think they're just going to hand you your country back, you're crazy.
And that's what's going on here.
Yeah.
I mean, it's never been this bad.
Anyway, thank you both.
Mark Simone, it's good to see you.
Joe, great job.
Thank you.
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