Tracy Melchior, actress, entertainer is best known for her roles on "One Life to Live", "The Bold and the Beautiful", and "Sunset Beach" and author of the book, "Breaking the Perfect Ten", is here to talk to us again about the tragedy of the abuse of the young girls in Epstein’s sex trafficking. You’ll remember that Melchior talks discussed these issues with Larry King and our show, about being raped and used, and the commonality of it all. She spoke out again last year and in 2017 when the Harvey Weinstein charges came into public view. The Sean Hannity Show is on weekdays from 3 pm to 6 pm ET on iHeartRadio and Hannity.com. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Well, for all you gun control people out there, did you know the maniac Philly shooter had already broken pretty much every law on the books?
Yeah, you know, you're listening to these lunatics on the left that are politicizing a tragedy in the middle of the shooting of police officers.
Why wait an hour?
Less than an hour after the news breaks, Kamala Harris, and it's Kirsten Gillibrand.
Other liberals.
You know, not even a day after El Paso and Dayton, you got Warren and the DNC raising money off of a tragedy that they're politicizing.
Well, the guy that shot the six cops in Philly was clearly a homicidal maniac with a rap sheet as long as both of your arms.
And by the way, all it means is he'd already broken about every law that there is on the books.
And I'm not sure why the liberal mind thinks that passing a new law would have stopped him.
By the very nature, lawbreakers don't obey laws.
Those that obey law, that'll be people like us, law-abiding citizens that have a right.
This is why de Blasio, he has armed guards.
I kept saying, should every New Yorker, if they pass a background check, have no mental health issues, do they have a right to have a gun in their home?
Every New Yorker has a right to be safe.
I didn't ask you if they have a right to be safe.
Do they have a right to the same protection you have, a gun in their home?
They have a right to be safe.
I ask again, they have a right to be safe.
And he's like, I'm not going to answer your question your way.
I'm like, okay, the answer is in your non-answer.
The answer is no.
Hollywood liberals can lecture us and support all these anti-gun, anti-Second Amendment politicians, but it's not going to work.
If you look at the public records, this guy in Philly, Philly Inquirer, show that Maurice Hill, 36, he'd been arrested at least a dozen times since this person was 18 years old, convicted six times on charges including illegal gun possession and drug dealing and aggravated assault.
He has done mostly short prison stints for his crimes.
The longest, a 55-month term issued in 2010.
It's not the first time he tried to evade arrest either.
Records show in 2008 he was convicted of escaping, fleeing from police and resisting arrest.
Also has beaten charges from kidnapping to attempted murder, according to the report.
And by the way, in 080, he spent time in federal prison.
He was caught with a Smith ⁇ Wesson 357.
Also a 45 semi-automatic pistol.
The paper report pled guilty to federal firearms violations.
His prior felony conviction should have barred him from owning any of these weapons.
By the way, the shooter in Dayton, the shooter in El Paso, both cases, they didn't have any problems with a background check.
No background check was going to stop either one of them.
Now, this guy in Philly's criminal history includes perjury conviction in 2013, sentenced to seven years probation.
Why wasn't this guy in jail?
This is a hardened career criminal who's never going to change.
But we're being told by the left, oh, no, no, no, this is important.
I'm going to get to that.
I'm also going to get into the latest on Epstein.
We are going to get to this controversy.
I agree with the president and I agree with the prime minister of Israel.
And I'm going to go over this in great detail.
I first, what got my greatest amount of attention today is a column by former governor of Arkansas and former presidential candidate Mike Huckabee.
And he wrote this column and it says, Finnish government collapses, why it matters.
And he starts out the article, and we read a lot in preparation of this show every day, and we look at every website.
While I noticed something, I didn't really, it didn't grab my attention fully.
And he points out the media really will never highlight this.
They don't want you to look at Finland.
Now, this is so important.
All these democratic socialist ideas.
A lot of them, they always talk about this Finnish model.
That is the holy grail and how America should emulate, as Mike Huckabee says.
Well, their government just collapsed.
Collapsed.
Their prime minister, their cabinet, all resigning because of the unsustainable costs of universal health care.
Now, remember when Kamala Harris was talking about Medicare for all?
And then she said, when asked, does that mean people can't have private insurance?
She said, no more private insurance.
And she flipped back, and then she flipped back again.
So now she's with the no private insurance thing again, meaning you think Obamacare was bad.
Just imagine Medicare for government-run health care for all and they choose.
We're screwed.
Nobody will ever go into medicine, number one, number two.
If you think you have wait times now, forget it.
If you think Obamacare's promises broken on such a massive level, keep your doctor, your plan, and pay less.
Millions lost the doctors.
Millions lost their plans.
Some people, many, many, many people in this country only have one option.
That's it.
In their small town, their bigs hit one option.
All the big insurers got out because they can't make money.
And there's so many better ways to do health care.
We have highlighted our good friend Dr. Josh Umber.
I mean, I probably need to start paying the guy for crying out loud.
He's been on radio and TV so often over the last five, six years.
And the healthcare cooperative that he set up down in Wichita, Kansas, I think it should be a model for the entire world.
And he's been able to duplicate this model in hundreds and hundreds of cities when people ask him.
And the system that he has, what's the name of the place he has down in Wichita?
Atlas MD.
Atlas MD.
So Dr. Umber set up a system.
He's got more patients than he can handle.
Every time I mention him, he gets more patients.
He's like, Hannity, you're driving business to me.
I don't need any more patients.
But what he does is he hires more doctors.
So what you have is available to you, your own private doctor, 24-7.
You call, you will get a doctor to answer your call 24-7.
And you get all the visits you need in any given day, week, month, year.
Now, most of us don't want to abuse that.
Most of us realize that, you know, we don't want to waste people's time, but I'm sure there are people that call every day.
It's only $50 a month.
And then he very cleverly, well, he looked at, okay, a lot of my patients have high cholesterol, and a lot of them have high blood pressure, and a lot of our patients need this medicine or that medicine.
And what he did is he went to the pharmaceutical companies and he negotiated 90, 95% reductions in costs.
And when you go for 50 bucks a month, unlimited care, 24-7 availability of a doctor, 365, then you also will walk out with your medicines and you'll pay pennies on the dollar.
And it's only $50 a month for unlimited care per month per patient.
If you're a kid, it's $10 a month.
Now, that doesn't help you if you have the bad accident.
It doesn't help with hospitalization.
It doesn't help if you get cancer, if you have a massive stroke or heart attack.
God forbid.
So what you get to cover yourself there is something that insurance companies sell that's called catastrophic insurance.
In other words, real insurance.
It's like car insurance.
If, God forbid, you get cancer, if God forbid you have the heart attack, if God forbid this or whatever, then you will pay X deductible, and then the care will be available for you.
But that policy is cheap because, you know, it's a what-if scenario.
If you buy it when you're young, it's really cheap.
And, or you could talk about health care savings accounts.
Musgrave Goodwin, Patient Power, written by the Cato Institute many years ago, talked about health savings accounts forever too.
There are better ideas.
Anyway, I digress.
I go back to Governor Mike Huckabee's column.
So we always hear that we've got to be more like Finland, more like these democratic socialists.
Well, their whole country government collapsed, the prime minister, the cabinet.
And Mike goes on to point out this happened last week.
I doubt you heard about it.
He's right.
I bet none of you heard about it unless you read Mike's column.
He writes, this comes less than a year after Finland killed their experiment with, quote, universal basic income.
Now, if this all sounds familiar to you, it should, because that's the new Green Deal.
And they replace universal guaranteed basic income, whether you're willing or unwilling to work in the new Green Deal, with mandatory job training and work requirements for anybody to get government benefits.
And then he goes on to point out, you know, and he links a few tweets from Bernie Sanders.
Bernie Sanders has been lavishing praise on Finland.
One of Bernie Sanders' tweets, if Finland can provide everyone with health care, send everyone to college for free and provide affordable child care, why can't the U.S.
Well, I'll quote Mike Huckabee here.
Finland can't, Bernie, and neither can you.
Now, the article goes on.
He says, I forwarded this from a person who claimed that he recently checked Bernie's two Twitter feeds for senator and presidential candidate and expected there was a lot of ranting against billionaires and millionaires.
He's one of the latter, by the way, and somehow became one while he was a socialist, quote, public servant.
How do these guys in Washington all become millionaires when they're supposed to be servants of the people?
I don't know.
And about completing his mission to transform America with a lot of big government handout programs.
And Governor Huckabee says, strangely, not a word about the collapse of the government of Finland due to the exact policies he's espousing.
Now, I think, Linda, what we're going to do maybe over the weekend is we're going to start looking for all the times and all the liberals.
We'll do our research as we always do.
They said we need to be more like Finland because Finland collapsed.
If you go back, Kamala Harris's plan, Medicare for All, when we examine the cost estimates for the first 10 years, Medicare for all, it takes up 90% of the federal budget.
No money for defense, nothing else, just Medicare for all.
So what I can tell you with a certainty that if we follow Finland, our government will collapse just on that one issue, never mind everything else that this new Green Deal is going to offer everybody.
And anyway, if you scroll back, the word Finland never appeared in the news last week, he points out, barely, because, you know, Bernie doesn't want, you know, to transform America into Finland, does he?
But at least he can take solace in knowing that with people like him in Congress, he's already made a lot of headway into turning the U.S. into a place where the cost of government is unsustainable.
That's all true.
Mike Huckabee's right.
All of this, the great example of Finland and Sweden and, you know, all these countries we get told about, it's a failure.
And it's going to be a failure here if we ever allow that to happen.
Now, the question is, are we going to be smarter than Finland?
The reason America has been a great success for all of these years is because of the God-given blessing of liberty, the wisdom to practice it, and capitalism.
You see, capitalism, it's sort of the system that keeps you honest.
What does it keep you honest with?
Well, the harder you work, the better you're going to do.
You know, everybody has to provide goods and services that people want, need, and desire to make money, unless you want to be a criminal or a drug dealer and take the easy way out, and you don't mind killing people in the process.
But most good people have no problem getting up every single day.
They work their 12, 14, 16 hours.
They pay their taxes, obey the laws, they feed their kids, they study with them, they're exhausted, they play games on the weekends with them, and then they go do it again.
But we have the standard of living we do, which is the envy of the world, because in this free environment, we've had innovation, we've had risk and reward.
You know, like think back, what was life like before we had a washing machine or a dishwasher?
I bet it was pretty difficult for people.
I bet life was harder, but some genius came up and invented it.
Hey, now everyone can get one at a very low cost, relatively speaking.
Same with a car.
When I was poor, I got $200 cars, and they worked, and I used it, and it transported me from point A to point B. Capitalism.
I'm telling you, if this ever happens, the United States, as we know it, dies.
It's over.
You institute these policies, you get rid of oil and gas in 10 years, it's over.
America will be finished.
And that is not hyperbole.
It's just a fact.
It is the lifeblood of our economy.
It is the lifeblood of wealth creation.
We can raise everybody's standard of living just by drilling more and getting more natural gas.
Imagine that, a total collapse of socialism, almost verbatim what the new Green Deal is here.
I want to get into, we have gone over in detail the squad, and more specifically, we've gone over some of the things that have been said by members of the squad that show a penchant to being virulent anti-Semites.
We start with Congresswoman Omar, long history of anti-Israeli statements, including themes, oh, the Jews control the world, Israel has hypnotized the world.
May Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.
Why should Israel ever let her in?
Or it's all about the Benjamins, baby, said that too.
And talking about the American AIPAC and suggesting they're bribing members of Congress to support Israel.
And you've got, and by the way, there are many other instances.
They wouldn't have a resolution condemning her.
They had to water it down.
They were afraid of the squad.
And of course, Congresswoman Talib believes the state of Israel has no right to exist and should be dismantled.
And don't forget, she actually wrote, you can guess it, for Louis Farrakhan, the biggest, most virulent anti-Semite in the country and racist.
Yeah, she wrote for his magazine.
I'll give you more details when we get back.
Straight ahead.
All right, 25 now to the top of the hour.
Before I get back to the issue of Israel and Congresswoman, well, the squad, Congresswoman Omar Tlaib, and I mean, it's just clear, I wouldn't let them in.
I think the prime minister made the right decision.
I think the president supported him, prime minister, the right decision.
The only people that are fearful of anybody in the squad are Democrats and the Congress, which should be obvious to everybody.
I'll get back to that in a second.
Now, one of the things that we've been watching, I've mentioned what's happening, the shooting that took place in San Antonio against an ICE office.
We know the incident that happened, where was that?
Tacoma, Washington.
There's one that happened in Arizona a little bit, maybe in 2018.
And we had another incident that I told you about earlier in the week.
And, you know, if you follow liberal logic, we would say that the people that are calling detention centers concentration camps, you know, what role are they playing in this?
And then we have all the anti-cop rhetoric.
You know, we have Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris out there, you know, pushing a lie, proven lie now and conspiracy theory about Michael Brown, hands up, don't shoot the fifth anniversary of Ferguson.
But it was the Obama Justice Department that listed witness after witness, eyewitness after eyewitness after eyewitness that said, no, that's not what happened.
Officer Darren Wilson told the truth.
And then it was Michael Brown who reached into Darren Wilson's car and tried to take his gun.
And then it was Michael Brown who charged the police officer.
This after he and another guy robbed his convenience store and pushed this poor clerk into, you know, just treat him like garbage.
Now, as the KYW reporter mentioned, all this is going on in Philly the other night, and six cops are shot.
It's an ongoing situation, and cops are being hurled, you know, they're hurling crap and pelting cops with all sorts of objects and cursing them out, and it's horrible.
The U.S. attorney in Philly is blaming the city's left-leaning new district attorney for the mob taunting the cops during the standoff.
DA, quote, has championed a new culture of disrespect for law enforcement that led to the furious anti-cop outbursts.
According to the federal prosecutor William M. McSwain on Thursday, quote, the vile rhetoric puts our police in danger, he wrote in a statement to the press.
It disgraces the office of DA.
It harms the good people in the city of Philadelphia.
It rewards the wicked.
Federal prosecutors' criticism came as Philly police chief, I thought, did a great job.
Richard Ross Jr. told reporters that the weapons used during the shooting were a handgun and military-style AR-15.
Now, we pointed out this guy is a rap sheet a mile long, including weapons violations.
He was out of jail.
And then you add to this, you know, the conversation I had with the mayor of New York, who wants to be president de Blasio on my TV show.
I'm saying, okay, here's the video of your cops being assaulted.
You know, I don't care if it's water, and then there have been incidents with more than water where cops are literally, you know, groups of people just, you know, taking buckets and pouring them on police officers and assaulting them.
So I take the video of that and I said, Mr. Mayor, will you promise the people in New York and the country that you're going to identify every one of the people that are in this, in these videos?
We have.
We have all the evidence we need, video evidence, and charge them with felony assault of your officers.
You don't like the police.
You don't trust the police.
I'm like, what?
I said, just promise that you are going to demand justice for your policemen.
You have no confidence in their ability to do their job.
I'm saying, I want, give them the moral support they deserve.
What is going on here?
Well, I got a tip earlier today that sounds pretty scary, and I hope the police department in Philly, you know, if you can say a prayer for these guys.
We put it up on Hannity.com, but somebody sent out a pretty despicable display of a group that's planning a rally to support the Philadelphia shooter that injured six police officers.
And they actually sent out free Morris Hill.
There's a flyer.
Somebody sent it to us.
And organizers, apparently, then we did some digging.
I'll tell you right now, we did digging.
We talked to sources inside the police department, inside the police department, that confirmed that this is real.
How many people did you talk to today, Lynn?
At least 10, right?
Well, it's already been vetted by CBS Local in the Philadelphia news down there, and they're seeing people already aggregate in the area.
Well, but on our own, you talked to how about what?
You told me about five, ten people.
Right, about ten people.
Okay.
So I'm looking at this thing.
I'm like, this can't be true.
And then we call and confirm.
You're right, CBS Local.
I think that might be KYW.
I'm not sure what the call letters are.
But, you know, they're now organizing and planning a protest by the time we get off the air tonight here to support the gunman that shot the cops during this eight-hour standoff.
Anyway, we have Al on the line.
I'm told to go to Al.
And apparently, you know about what's going on in Philly.
Is that true, sir?
Yes.
Somebody said a fellow officer of mine sent me that.
So you're an officer in Philly, but you're not allowed to identify yourself, are you?
No.
To the extent possible, Jason, you can alter his voice.
I don't care.
Just as long as we can understand what's happening.
I'm okay.
You don't have to do that.
So you can confirm that this is real, this support of the shooter of cops.
Sean, I sent this out to about four places.
The only person that was interested, it was you.
And before I sent it out to anybody, I called the 39th District and I said, is this a real thing or is this a joke?
And they said, no, no, no, no, no, no.
All the districts are on standby for this thing, and they're expecting 100 or 200 people to free this guy because, you know, for some reason, they think he's the victim.
I don't understand.
So, do you know how many people might be a part of this?
Because, you know, KYW, it's a well-known news outlet.
The reporter that was down there that night said, you know, 98% of the people were great, but yet 2% pelting cops with objects and hurling all sorts of hate and invective at them.
Is that true, too?
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, it's on camera, Sean.
You know, there was one, and they were there for those people's safety.
I mean, you know, all you have to do is catch one downrange, a straight bullet, and the next thing, you know, that's the police's fault as well.
But they showed footage, local footage, of a cop walking by, and a woman pushed him and then called him a derogatory racist name.
And, you know, I'm sure it's the same people that are going to be at this rally, at this march.
And then Coach's got to work that tonight.
Are there any regulations in Philly?
I know New York has regulations about if you want to protest, you got to get a permit.
Any of those things in play there?
Well, you know what, Sean?
Who's going to tell them no?
You know what I mean?
This is the kind of administration you have.
Everybody's a victim.
They bend over backwards for the criminal element.
Who's going to tell them no?
They've got the permit because I talked to the 39th District and they said they got the units on standby and they're expecting 100 to 200 people.
That's what I got.
Then I sent it to you.
I verified it myself before I sent it to you.
Can I ask you without giving away any plans or details?
Is the police department ready for this?
Well, I'm sure they'll have civil affairs out there, which, you know, they're, you know, I'm not interested in civil affairs.
If people are organizing a rally to support the guy that shot six cops this week, I want to know that the police that have to work this shift, and I hope it's all of them.
And I was impressed with your police commissioner the other night, Mr. Ross.
I thought he's a good guy like he seems.
Yeah, yeah, he's been on the job for about 30 years.
He's a good guy, but you got to remember, you know, he takes his marching orders from our radical leftist mayor.
You know, so his hands are tied just like the, you know, just like the rest of command is.
He's a great guy.
I have never heard a bad word about him, but he takes his marching orders from our radical mayor.
And Sean, in answer to your previous question before you asked about the Richie Ross, yeah, there's going to be units out there that are going to work this march.
Just Black Lives Matter and every other crazy march that they have.
Sure.
Absolutely.
I'm telling you, you're taking my breath away, and I have a genuine fear in my heart.
Let me read from the CBS piece.
This is local Philly news.
The headline is: organizers say hundreds expected to attend the rally to support the suspect accused of shooting six cops.
I'm reading directly from it, and it says a protest is planned for Friday night in North Philadelphia to support Maurice Hill, the gunman, the alleged gunman, accused of shooting six police officers.
I don't think there's much ambiguity, is there, Al, on that?
I think we know he did it.
Organizers say they expect 200 to 300 people at this rally.
The police commissioner, Richard Ross, says police will be there too.
Sadly, we do have to be there.
I don't understand it.
There's certain marches I do understand.
This is definitely not one of them.
And by the way, Hill is still in jail right now as he waits to be arraigned.
The Philly DA, Larry Krasner, said today or yesterday that Hill will most likely face charges of attempted murder and aggravated assault, among others.
Yeah, I think that's attempted murder when you shoot six cops.
Thank God.
By the way, all these guys, it's a miracle they're all alive today.
Thank God.
But the funny thing was, he called his lawyer because he was afraid to be killed when he walked out the door.
Wasn't he afraid to be killed when he was shooting at six cops?
My thing is, Sean, listen, you know, this Krasner cat, you know, he's a Black Lives Matter guy.
He's another radical leftist crazy man.
Okay.
He's acting like, you know, there's no open cases against this guy.
This guy caught a pinch in March of 19, this year, six, six months, five months ago, took a pinch for weight, a narcotics pinch for weight.
And his office, now, I don't know if it was him, but I'm sure he signed off on it.
His office downgraded it to a misdemeanor and then gave him probation when he was all.
I know what a pinch means.
You arrested him for weight.
What do you mean, weight?
Meaning the amount of narcotics?
The amount of narcotics.
Exactly.
All right.
So what kind of narcotics?
Heroin, what are we talking about?
You got me, Sean.
You got me.
All right.
So in other words, he probably had an amount.
Weight means a dealer level.
Is that a fair interpretation?
Yeah, intent to distribute.
Sure.
Sure.
All right.
Well, let me ask you this.
So you have this thing going on tonight.
We saw what happened the other night.
You see what's happening in New York City to cops.
I mean, I got to be honest, and I have a lot of friends in law enforcement.
My whole freaking family was in law enforcement.
And I almost did it myself.
And I got to be honest.
If you're not going to get the support, if we're going to allow cops to be assaulted like they're being assaulted in New York or Philly like this, and we don't hold these people accountable, there's not going to be anyone, A, that wants to be a cop or no cop that's going to put their ass on the line like they usually do.
Frankly, why should they if they're not going to get the support?
Yeah, your segue before you took my comment was about the Blasio.
You were asking him that same question, and he kept deflecting, asking you if you're, you know, telling you that the cops have his support.
No, they don't.
Okay, ask me the same question.
Ask me, Sean, you're the mayor.
Are you going to use the videotape of people assaulting police officers to find every single last one of them and charge them with felony assault?
Yes, we'll move heaven and earth to make that happen.
There's my answer.
I'm not running for president.
That would have been my answer, too, and I'm sure it would be the big man in the big chair's answer as well, President Trump.
And that's the reason why I did that, Sean, was to send it to you because thank you for your support of law enforcement and the military.
And I know you'd shed light on this because you know what?
Most people on Friday are heading to the shore.
They may not even see this.
This is a travesty, is what it is.
I honestly want everyone to just stop for a second and pray for these cops in Philly.
You're walking into, you are walking into, which, by the way, is the nature of the job.
It's risky enough.
But putting yourself in a situation like this and the city allowing this to organize, if this goes down, it is a hostile situation from the get-go.
And if your city is like New York and you're not going to support the cops and you still have to, you have to be there.
It's extraordinarily dangerous.
I'm praying for all of your guys tonight.
I really am.
I wish I could do more.
I wish I could go down and help you.
Well, come on, strap on a gun and come on down, dude.
Yeah, okay.
You know what happens.
They're going to throw my ass in jail faster than anybody else.
And by the way, my case, it'll stick.
Cops love you, Sean.
Yeah, Maurice, by the way, you know, he got away with his gun violations.
Hannity's not getting away with anything.
Trust me.
It's like I tell my accountant every day, pay it, pay it, pay it.
Just forget it.
Well, really, it's a legal deduction.
I'm like, pay it.
If you or I were caught, we'd be still in jail.
I'd be calling your producer to put some money in my commissary account.
By the way, I do.
I'd absolutely do.
It wouldn't be the first time.
I've done it before.
Listen, I'm going to say this.
I really mean this.
Please, you guys be safe tonight.
I hope the police commissioner has enough guys on standby here.
This sounds like a very precarious situation.
And thank you for what you do every day.
And if anyone comes after you because you are telling the truth about this, you come back to us and we will champion your cause.
I promise.
You got my word on it.
I appreciate that.
Hang in there.
Nobody's going to want to be a cop anymore.
They can't do their jobs if this continues.
You said earlier Bruce Orr was not working on the Russia investigation.
Let me ask you, here's my knowledge.
To your knowledge, did you not know that Bruce Orr was meeting with Christopher Steele, getting information about the dossier and supplying that information to the FBI at the same time his wife Nelly was working for Fusion GPS that was helping Hillary Clinton.
Did you not know he was doing that for the FBI?
Correct.
You did not know that.
Correct.
Okay, so he officed a couple of doors down, but you had no idea that he was actually the go-between to get that information.
So what is your view of the way the FBI interacted with Steele and how we should understand what his role was here?
Well, that's a big question.
So, look, the investigation was not predicated on the basis of the information that Christopher Steele gave to us in the form of the dossier.
That is just not, was not my understanding at the time and has never been my understanding.
So just to say that flat out.
Steele, at the time, my understanding was that he was thought to be a reliable source that had a prior relationship with the FBI and brought this information to us.
Look, with, I don't know how to say this other than we're not stupid, right?
The FBI.
We're not stupid.
You take the information and you try to vet it.
And that, my recollection, is we spent a lot, we, the Bureau, the folks in the counterintelligence division, spent a lot of time trying to vet that information line by line.
All right.
That was James Baker talking about Christopher Steele being a liable source for them.
The FBI is not stupid.
We vetted the dossier line by line.
Now, here's the funny thing about what he says.
Now, in retrospect, we can look back.
Because remember, John Solomon broke the story that the FBI eventually, by the way, our two Sean Hannity show, 800-941, Sean is on number, that the FBI eventually got around to vetting the dossier and whoopsie-daisy, almost none of it, over 90% they could confirm was not true.
We know it was unverifiable from the get-go because Steele himself also later testified he had no idea if any of it was true.
He didn't confirm any of it.
Now, that means, remember, the bulk of information, the FISA applications were the dirty dossier paid for by Clinton, put together by Christopher Steele with funneled money from Perkins Cooey to Fusion GPS.
And Bruce Orr's wife, Nellie Orr, was working there.
So what Baker is saying is not exactly true.
And now, listen, the cut before was Louis Gormer grilling Rod Rosenstein over Bruce and Nellie Orr.
Well, we've got a new bit of information.
A couple of things have come out.
One is we now have declassified documents that show that Peter Strzok was told that, in fact, Hillary Clinton's server was compromised, that the Chinese, they were getting in real time everything that went on that server, everything in real time.
He didn't seem to care at all.
I guess if it was Donald Trump's server, they would have cared, but it wasn't.
It was Hillary's.
She should win $100 million to zero.
Trump voters, I can smell them.
They're smelly Walmart shoppers.
Now it goes even another level today with John Solomon's new investigative report.
And now the DEA, we find out, was paying TSA agents to be informants at airports and ports in violation of regulations.
And we found out that the dirt that Nellie Orr was feeding her husband, she was working for Fusion GPS, also with Christopher Steele digging the dirt on Donald Trump and his entire family.
But what we're finding out is that it involved all these unproven allegations, basically any unsavory figure in Russia.
They just tied to Donald Trump.
Mobsters, any unsavory character.
And Nellie Orr's dirt that she's feeding to the fourth highest person at the Justice Department at the time, that's Bruce Orr, her husband.
Well, dirt on Manafort, including information from a formerly jailed Ukrainian politician, an ally of Hillary Clinton.
Whoopsie-daisy.
And how Nellie Orr, you know, the intel shared with the FBI included allegations against key Russia-probe figures like Michael Flynn, Oleg Daripaska, and Carter Page and Michael Caputo.
And Bruce Orr's annual performance bonus from the DOJ happened to double from 14 to 28 grand around the time he started working as a conduit, forwarding intel from Christopher Steele, from his wife to his FBI handlers.
And in 2018, a human source validation report on the Bureau, Christopher Steele, found the Bureau at only medium confidence.
And that was in the get-go.
But a FISA application has the word verified on top of it.
It was all unverifiable.
And the people that put it together hated Donald Trump.
And they were warned numerous times.
We know that from John Solomon reporting who joins us now.
I'm just trying to lay the foundation for this new information.
You know, thank God on this I have a good memory.
If you asked me who was on the show yesterday, I couldn't tell you, but on this, I don't forget.
Yeah, no, you do have it locked solid.
And you did a really good job of identifying the big problem here, which is it is clear from the Russia investigation and now from other parts of the Justice Department and FBI that the Justice Department is doing a very bad job vetting, managing, and deciding who should be sources.
There is no, in the real world, no one would expect a husband, Bruce Orr, to be peddling his wife's company's information to his superiors during an election in which she's being paid to help defeat Donald Trump.
We all know that's a conflict of interest.
The Justice Department didn't see a problem with it.
We know it's wrong that if you're fired as a source, that we don't set up a conduit like Christopher Steele did so that he could keep feeding the FBI who fired him his dirt, albeit his unproven, disproven dirt, by going to Bruce Orr.
We know we shouldn't hire informants who we have a personal relationship with.
We know that's a conflict of interest.
That's what the DEA did.
We know that government officials shouldn't be functioning both as a government official and a private informant at the same time.
But that was going on.
There is a significant red flag warning that the Justice Department's management of its sources, people who peddle information to further investigations, is broken.
And I think one of the outcomes of the IG report and the Barr report and the Durham report will be tightening up these rules so we don't have to.
Every time you sneak something in, I catch it.
So just don't think.
You don't miss a thing, do you?
Okay.
So I was first talking about a Durham report or a Durham bar report or a bar report, but I agree with you.
It'll be a Durham report and that the information that they are apparently getting in Europe is devastating in terms How intelligence was outsourced and how Americans were spied on, and it was all part of an effort to first prevent Donald Trump from winning and then to undo a duly elected president.
Would you say that would be part of what they find?
I believe that's exactly what they're looking at.
What they actually find, we'll have to wait and see.
I always like to wait for the facts before I guess.
But I will tell you this.
Thanks to your show and all the platforms you've given reporters like myself, we've been able to show just how terribly flawed from July 31st, 2016 to April of 2019 when the Mueller investigation concluded, how terribly flawed the FBI's performance, the Justice Department's performance was in targeting the Trump campaign, investigating the Trump campaign, eventually exonerating the Trump campaign for collusion, which never existed.
We didn't need three years to do it.
It was a badly run investigation.
I think where Attorney General Barr and John Durham are now focused on is what happened between March and July, from the beginning of the Republican primaries to the time that Pete Strzzok opened up an official file.
I think there is a growing body of evidence that there may have been, as I'm going to use the Attorney General's own words here now, political surveillance going on in the name of the color of law.
And I think that they're beginning to dig into that.
And we may hear of some new intelligence agencies or new entities that most Americans have never heard of that laundered some of this information.
I think we're going to learn of a sort of an informal spy network that was taking a look at President Trump and his campaign and these Russia collusion allegations before the FBI formally opened up.
That will be a huge explosive revelation if that turns out to be true.
Go into more detail on this.
Well, I don't know a lot yet, right?
I'm still doing the ground reporting, but we have questions, right?
We know that Mifsued by his own lawyer's account, this is the professor that first met George Papadopoulos, the flashpoint, the starting point of the Russia collusion narrative story, the bogus story that it is now, was directed to meet George Papadopoulos and take this young campaign aide of Donald Trump and bring him in contact with Russians or people posing as Russians, such as a student who pretended she was Putin's niece.
We don't know who directed them.
Was that the United States government?
Was it a private entity?
Was it a political entity?
That's one issue that we know Bill Barr is going to get involved in.
We know from reporting, and I've confirmed it in my own reporting, that Stefan Halper, another academic, began reaching out to Carter Page in May and June, inviting him to a conference.
And then eventually, after the FBI opened up, a formal investigation July 31st, he was helping the FBI investigate Carter Page.
But we don't know, since there was no FBI file before July 31st, if you believe the current testimony you just played, who was directing them in May, June, and July before that file was opened.
Those are the sort of questions that Attorney General Barr and U.S. Attorney John Durham are looking at.
And there's one common theme to this period of March to July that I call it the calling card, the signature of what was going on.
Multiple overtures, almost always by academics, with one offer in mind.
We've got dirt on Hillary Clinton.
Would you like it?
It seemed to be that was the lure.
And when you see it happen four or five times, let's go through all the people that got offered that.
You got Papadopoulos, you've got Roger Stone, you've got the Trump Tower meeting, you've got several other people that got these overtures.
That has the signature of some form of an intelligence or an operation.
A lot of that was going on, March, April, May, June.
We don't know who directed it, why it happened.
That's the sort of stuff that I think Attorney General Barr is going to break open for the American public this fall.
How big will, I know we've talked about now four separate reports we're expecting.
The IG report on Comey.
You believe there'll be an IG report on leaking.
Let me put that off to the side for a second.
The Pfizer report from the IG, the Durham report.
But let's go to FISA.
That will be first after Comey, correct?
We expect.
The leaking could come before it in the sequencing that I've heard.
But listen, these things take a life of their own.
And somebody gets a report half done and then there's a conflict with a lawyer and you got to wait, right?
It's unclear, but they're going to be in some form of order.
The big one, the one we will care most about from Michael Horowitz, I believe, is going to be the FISA report.
And that looks like that's still several weeks away, mid-September to early October is the current timeframe that I'm hearing from my sources.
Unbelievable.
All right.
So, and how is it that the FBI now, this was interesting, what Andy McCarthy said.
He said, any counterintelligence operation, well, that would be the president's counterintelligence operation.
So what he's saying in that is Obama had to not only know, but approve of it, and it's his and probably been updated on it.
Nobody has ever asked him.
Yeah, I remember I think we did a column and talked about this a few months ago, Sean, about one of the two of the people in the OS answers.
Hillary Clinton, when did she know what Steele was up to and when did she know it?
And Barack Obama, when did he know and what did he know?
Let's go back to a famous earlier Russia investigation.
Remember, we all remember Doug Campbell, the undercover informant for Uranium One.
When he was spying on Vladimir Putin's nuclear company as it was trying to get an unfair advantage in the U.S. market, try to corner the American uranium market.
He was reporting his stuff to his FBI handlers.
And his FBI handlers told him that anything Russia, this sensitive, this counterintelligence-oriented, was briefed directly to President Obama.
And he was told two times where you got to congratulations.
The president was briefed on this.
If President Obama would be briefed on that, of course he would be briefed on the targeting of the Republican nominee of the 2016 election.
He's never had to answer that question.
One more question with John Solomon when we get back, 800-941 Sean, toll-free telephone number if you want to be a part of the program.
As we continue, investigative reporter, also executive vice president and columnist for the Hill, John Solomon, is with us.
Let me go to this other report that came out this week: that Mr. Hillary should win $100 million to zero, Mr. Insurance policy.
There are a bunch of Walmart shopping Trump supporters, smelly ones.
Peter Strzok was told that Hillary's email server with top secret classified information on it, clear violation of the law, numerous felonies, that the Chinese were getting all the information on that server in real time, and he didn't care.
Why?
That is a wonderful question.
And I'm going to refer you to something that a lot of reporters didn't pick up in the note that Chuck Grassley sent out that brought this all to light the other day.
There is a little footnote, and if you could skip over it real easy in these long documents, but it says that Grassley is extremely confirmed that there was a highly classified piece of information that the FBI chose not to look at when investigating Hillary Clinton, her server, and the potential compromise of U.S. national secrets.
That's the first time we've ever heard that.
That the FBI made a conscious decision not to look at a highly classified piece of evidence.
They certainly had Clarence to do so.
Why would they ignorantly choose not to look at that information?
We don't know what the information is, but it isn't an accident that Senator Grassley wrote about it.
And what Grassley's letter further indicates is that since January of this year, he's repeatedly asked the Justice Department to answer why did the FBI not look at this?
And they don't answer.
Significantly their only response.
All of what we're talking about is coming, a lot of it, if not all of it, in the next month.
It's going to be explosive.
None of this would have happened in large part because if not for John Solomon's real hard, in-depth investigative reporting, you should get the Pulitzer when the New York Times and Washington Post gives their back for their fake news Pulitzer prizes.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you, Sean.
Have a good day.
You too.
800-941-Sean, toll free telephone number.
All right.
What about the victims of Epstein?
Does anyone ever think of them?
We'll explain coming up next.
And how do we save our big cities from all the violence and poverty after decades of Democratic rule?
Straight ahead.
I-25 till the top of the hour, 800-941, Sean, toll free telephone number.
You want to be a part of the program.
You know, the Attorney General Barr had said, if you were part of this operation, this sick network of Jeffrey Epstein, Lolita Express and Orgy Island, and all these young girls.
And he goes, don't think you're resting easy.
And he's very clear about it.
And he said the people that he was so angry that this had happened, whatever, means however he died, suicide or whatever, I'm not beginning to go down that avenue.
I have no clue.
And we'll find out from the experts at some point.
But he wasn't, you know, we know that he tried to commit suicide a couple of weeks earlier, and he was in solitary, and the guards apparently were asleep.
So we know that part at this point.
We don't know much more than that.
But the Attorney General focused on the victims of Epstein.
And I'm going to play for you Jennifer Arose.
And this is one of Epstein's accusers and describing being recruited by Epstein when she was 14 years old.
Now, some of this is going to be disturbing if you have kids in the car, but I think the Attorney General's right.
They've got to get to the bottom of this, just like the human trafficking of young girls that happens on our southern border.
I've interviewed agents.
This is all the work they've done stopping the human trafficking of young girls into prostitution.
And we don't ever discuss that part of why we should secure the border.
Anyway, this is Epstein accuser, Jennifer Arrose.
When you first met him, what did you think?
What did he say?
Very nice, basically saying that, you know, he's heard a lot about me.
You know, the recruiter was talking such nice things.
Arose says she was served wine in Epstein's kitchen and they talked.
When she left, she says she was given $300 and was repeatedly invited back.
The secretary would contact me and say, Are you free?
Can you come by, you know?
Epstein would like to see you.
You know, you listen to this, it blows your mind, you know, what she did with Epstein in the massage room, 14 years old.
How graphic can, you know, people on the radio take this?
Linda, I mean, you listen to this.
I mean, it makes my blood boil.
Doesn't it make your blood boil?
Yeah, it's disgusting.
It's outrageous.
And when I see a child, I want to protect it and give it love and shelter and food and clothing and give it the best life I can.
It's horrible.
Yeah.
Let's play the Attorney General's promise from this week.
Most importantly, this case was important to the victims who had the courage to come forward and deserve the opportunity to confront the accused in the courtroom.
I was appalled, and indeed the whole department was, and frankly, angry to learn of the MCC's failure to adequately secure this prisoner.
We are now learning of serious irregularities at this facility that are deeply concerning and demand a thorough investigation.
The FBI and the Office of Inspector General are doing just that.
We will get to the bottom of what happened, and there will be accountability.
But let me assure you that this case will continue on against anyone who was complicit with Epstein.
Any co-conspirators should not rest easy.
The victims deserve justice and they will get it.
The victims deserve justice and they will get it.
Anybody complicit, any co-conspirators, don't rest easy because this guy's dead.
Anyway, Tracy Melkure is with us.
Now, she's an actress.
She's now doing a lot of faith-based films, and she's an entertainer.
She was on the hit series One Life to Live for a long time.
She wrote the book, Breaking the Perfect 10.
She's joined us in the past about the tragedy of abuse of the young girls in Epstein's sex trafficking.
You know, Tracy has talked about these issues a lot, even personally has revealed that she had been raped and used, and it's way too common.
Tracy, welcome back.
Hi, Sean.
Thanks for having me.
I'm sorry we're talking about this again.
Yeah, I mean, you can hear this woman, Jennifer Arose, say, I want you to hear this.
Jeffrey Epstein raped me.
Play that.
Did Jeffrey Epstein rape you?
Yeah, no, he raped me.
Forcefully raped me.
Know exactly what he was doing.
And I don't think cared.
What hurts even more, so, is that if I wasn't afraid to come forward sooner, then maybe he wouldn't have done it to other girls.
I feel really guilty.
Till this day, I feel really guilty.
You know, he hurt me badly.
I prefer not to go through this.
So, you know, this is one way for me to get justice.
You know, I hear about what happens across the southern border, and I've interviewed guys that have, that's 15 years worth of work stopping sex trafficking of young girls at our border.
You know, this is a guy that was convicted one sweetheart deal.
All these people hang out with this guy, knowing what he's like, and then you have your own personal experience.
I mean, I just can't, I can't imagine the pain that these kids are going through when we're not doing anything to protect them, seemingly.
Well, unfortunately, it's really hard to protect because I think people assume that this sort of thing happens like dramatically, like if it's like a bomb going off, like you would see it.
But it's in plain sight.
You know, the first time I was approached, it was very, it's eerily similar, my story, because I was approached by a quote-unquote recruiter standing in line to go into a bar in Hollywood in front of hundreds of people.
And nobody knows what's going on.
And it's right in plain sight, happening all the time.
So they're assuming like you would see something dramatic, like someone come put their, you know, hand over someone's mouth and drag them off.
And that's not what's happening.
It's happening right in front of all of us.
You know, I don't know.
I mean, you're a survivor, but I don't know if you really ever are fully a complete survivor because I know people that have had this type of trauma in their life.
It never leaves you.
It's like an evil that has been perpetrated on you.
Well, I will say for me, becoming a Christian helped tremendously and that I was able to really feel like I could bury it and get on with a life of, you know, of faith and turn my life around because a lot of what happens, and I think that's certainly what happened to me.
See, the first thing they do is they pay you with a compliment, right?
And then they start doing things for you.
Like she mentioned, the first time nothing happened, but they gave her $300.
So what they do is they start making you feel indebted to them.
And as girls, we're raised to be polite and nice, you know?
Well, go through.
When you say you were recruited at that young age, what do you mean specifically?
And how old were you at the time?
And exactly, what do you think they're saying?
When do you pick up, uh-oh, this is not what I think it is?
Well, for me as a child, I was a victim of sexual abuse.
Started at 12 with an attempted rape, then a rape at 16.
I also had an employer at 16 that had assaulted me.
But when I was an adult is my experiences in Hollywood with the billionaires and the directors and that sort of thing.
So I wasn't a daughter.
Is that casting couch, is that a cliche or is it real?
There's good and bad in Hollywood, I will say.
It's not everyone, but it is a factor.
And I know that for me, there was a director, and, you know, I had auditioned for something, and I was on the job, and it was a little bit like, oh, he's kind of cool, and he's nice, and he's taking an interest in me, even though it was a small role.
And I was flattered by that.
And before I knew it, his secretary was calling and, you know, would like to see you.
And I would come to the office and I'm thinking, wow, this is great.
Well, it wasn't official meeting, so to speak.
You know, it was an arranged kind of process to see if I would be a potential candidate, so to speak.
And I was flattered.
And he was a huge, well-known director.
And I went to his office frequently.
And the secretary is the one who would call and arrange it, a female secretary.
And what did that mean when you went there?
I mean, and how old were you?
So he basically manipulates the hell out of a young girl and holds out the role or position in a movie or whatever it happens to be, right?
Yeah.
And see, I thought I was smart.
And he was smarter because I was like, you know what?
I'm going to nip this right in the bud and I'm going to ask him.
And I went directly and I said, hey, you know, I've heard about this casting couch in Hollywood.
And I'm wondering, what do you think?
Is it real?
And he flat out looked at me and he's like, oh, my gosh.
He's like, we sure want you girls to believe it is.
But quite frankly, when I have millions of dollars on the line for a film and my reputation career, I'm not going to give someone a lead in a film just because I'm sleeping with them.
And I was like, wow.
And in my mind, I took that as appreciating his honesty and that we were like a relationship.
And so I thought it was okay.
Ironically, he was very straight with me.
You said this happened too, though, at home.
Was it a relative or I'm not trying to be, I only tell what you're comfortable telling, but this happens to more kids than I think people know.
Well, yeah, I don't mind talking about it because it's in my book.
I'm an open book, literally.
But yeah, when I was 12 years old, my older sister had a party and some friends over and I was up late watching TV.
And so I was 12, he was 17, and he snuck out of, you know, and came into my room where I was just watching TV and he attempted to rape me.
And right as the process began, the group of kids came out and interrupted it.
So it was rape.
I actually have a scar on my hand to this day from him pinning my arms above my head.
And there was a little nail sticking out from the carpet.
And it cut me.
And so that's where it started.
And I don't, you know, it reminds me, like a lot of people think this could never happen to them, right?
But I really believe that there is something in a predator nature, and it's almost like an animal, like a lion can sense the weak gazelle.
And there is some sort of primal instinct that they sense.
And I think for me, since I can't control predator behavior and evil, but I really hope that for me, I can help girls understand that not falling for these temptations and putting ourselves in the position.
I mean, obviously, I was just in my home, 12 years old.
I wasn't out looking for trouble.
But at the same time, I, a lot of times, as an adult, fell, I fell for the cheese in the trap, so to speak.
You know, I'm listening to you.
I'm running out of time, and I really want to, I just want to say this to you.
I'm so sorry you had to live through that.
I know other people have told me their stories.
You never, I don't think you can ever get over the evil that's perpetrated on you like that.
We have it happening at our southern border.
And I hope the attorney general hears an interview like yours because he had so much passion.
I'm sure he understands it.
I could tell.
And I hope anybody that was involved with this guy, anybody that was involved in any way gets what's coming to them.
They deserve it.
I agree.
And I know you're, and it's very important that young people know they've got to reach out, find some adult, somebody.
If you can't go to your parents, go to somebody and reach out.
And don't be, you're a victim.
You're not the person that did this.
You're the child.
Tracy.
John, I think one of the things that's important, though, is girls need to understand because a lot of times when you accepted that $300 like that girl did, now she felt like she was accepting it.
You know what I mean?
Like there's something to that part of it that prevents people like myself because when I did get in the Hollywood world and I was getting my rent paid and all of these things.
And so now you feel like you're also, you know, a co-conspirator in it, so to speak.
And that's where I think prevents people from coming forward.
Well, that's the mind.
I don't want to use the word that I'm thinking of, but they totally mess with your mind.
They make you feel like you did this.
No, these are predators.
They're manipulating.
They're master manipulators.
You know, they are manipulating it at a grotesque, evil level, young kids even.
And, you know, it's a very different world from what I grew up in.
I used to get off the bus, get on my bike.
My parents never knew where I was.
I know where my kids are every second.
Every second of every day.
Tracy, thank you.
I hope people hear you.
They can reach out to you.
I know on social media, any particular place that you want to send them?
Tracy T-R-A-C-Y-M-E-L-C-H-I-O-R is the spelling of my name, and I'm on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook.
I'll tell you what, we'll put a link to it on Hannity.com, make it easier.
How's that?
Tracy, thank you.
And I know you're helping a lot of people.
And I know it's tough to go back in your memory and go through this again.
We thank you for being with us, and we're praying for you too.
And we've got to get this.
Thank you for bringing awareness, Sean.
Thank you.
Got to have justice here.
This is not, these are kids.
Quick break, right back.
We'll continue.
Coming up next, our final news roundup and information overload hour.
Donald Trump, once again, is a racist who makes ever more outrageous racist remarks.
It is insulting, both to the congressman and to people he represents.
This is just who Donald Trump is.
He's just an old racist.
And this is how he talks about people.
This is what he thinks about people.
This is not a grand strategy.
He is not playing four or five, six-dimensional chess.
He's just an old racist who uses social media.
Those Republican strategists are endorsing this strategy that's based on the racial divide.
Well, there are a bunch of racists in the world.
Listen.
He is not a president for black people.
He's not a president for women.
He's not a president for brown people.
He's not a president for the LGBTQ community.
He chooses to just double down and triple down on bigotry and racism.
I don't know where Donald Trump wants to take this, but wherever it is, it's going to be dangerous.
It could lead to some sort of horrible civil war.
These are very personal issues.
And this president speaks with the casual racism of Bull Conner.
Our president has a hate agenda.
This is a crooked CEO in the White House that is making decisions based on profits, based on where his friends, and based on what his Trump organization, his for-profit industry, would benefit from.
He's a sick person who, even when we denounce him, he's happy because at least we notice him and he thinks he's controlling things.
Brian, we're not going to correct him.
He's not going to change.
He's so far down this road of evil, he's not going to change.
And I thought those tweets about Baltimore were pretty reminiscent of Trump's comments about ass-hole countries.
The president in his heart has this image of what real America is and what the better America is.
And it's clear that for him, that better America is white-skinned American.
Yeah, I mean, you would call it a dog whistle to, you know, accept that we can all hear it.
I mean, it's, you know, dog whistles you can't hear.
This guy is the biggest identity politician that we have seen in the last 50 years.
And he engages in what's known as racial priming.
Basically, using this language and taking actions to try and get people to move into their camps by racial and ethnic identity.
Our job is to bring people together to improve life for all people, not to have a racist president who attacks people because they are African Americans.
That is a disgrace, and that is why we're going to defeat this president.
The president says about Congressman Cummings District that no human would want to live there.
You know who did, Mr. President?
I did.
From the day I was brought home from the hospital to the day I left for college.
And a lot of people I care about still do.
There are challenges, no doubt.
But people are proud of their community.
I don't want to sound self-righteous, but people get up and go to work there.
They care for their families there.
They love their children who pledge allegiance to the flag, just like people who live in districts of congressmen who support you, sir.
They are Americans too.
All right, glad you're with us.
News Roundup Information Overload Hour 800941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, all right.
So you got the media mob, the Democrats, yeah, attacking Donald Trump.
Now, I know we've been over, I know that there's this never-ending, unceasing attacks against the detention centers.
And when we sent our Fox News cameras down there with Griff Jenkins, what did we see?
We saw people that slept in beds.
We saw a facility that was safe of any type of crime or activity of any sort like that.
And blankets and pillows and food and water and medicine and baby formula and diapers and doctors and a soccer field and other wreck facilities and TVs and telephones.
And everybody was safe.
Now, do I think that's ideal?
No, but for people that didn't respect our borders, our sovereignty, our laws, et cetera, we're doing the right thing.
And eventually they go through whatever the process is.
I think people should be deported immediately, but that's apparently not doable under the current laws.
Well, under the current court decisions.
And you have all these people attacking.
Now, the president did bring up that we have, for example, all the media coverage on the shooting in El Paso.
And it's blame Donald Trump for El Paso.
But within hours, we had a shooting in Dayton.
Well, the person in Dayton was a radical socialist Elizabeth Warren supporter.
But nobody in the media blamed Elizabeth Warren, nor should they have.
Nor should they have blamed Donald Trump for El Paso.
Nor would you blame Bernie Sanders for what happened in the shooting in the ball field a couple of years ago by this logic.
But let's take Chicago alone.
We had 100 people shot in the last two weekends.
On Monday, I will report to you how many people were shot over this weekend.
I hope that I could report nobody.
I don't think that'll be the case based on what we see every weekend.
But you don't see the outrage from the politicians that are only worked up over El Paso.
I don't know why they're not worked up over the conditions in cities like Baltimore and Chicago and Detroit.
I mean, cities that have violence on the same par as these shootings that we hear about every weekend.
I think we can do better as a country.
I think the president's right.
I mean, if you have 17,000 buildings that have been evacuated, why aren't we sending people in to either bulldoze them or if they're structurally sound, maybe rebuilding them and maybe finding a way to create a partnership with Bernie Marcus and Home Depot and get the materials for cost?
I bet Bernie would do that as part of a rebuilding of a great American city where our family lives.
I mean, we can do better than this.
These cities where you see the most violence have the strictest gun laws.
This guy in Philadelphia had been arrested for gun violence in the past.
Background checks would not have impacted the shooter in Dayton or the shooter in El Paso.
You know, you can't stop evil that way by taking away the law-abiding citizens' right to defend themselves.
Anyway, here to talk about this.
Baltimore is a mess.
There's an article that came out about, you know, huge issues there.
All these cities for decades run by liberal Democrats have not helped the people in these cities.
I don't believe liberalism, socialism, redistributionism works.
Anyway, Reverend Charles C. Adams is with us.
He's the presiding pastor of Harvard Memorial Baptist Church.
He's in Detroit.
Pastor Darrell Scott, founder and senior pastor of the New Spirit Revival Center, part of the president's urban diversity coalition.
Welcome both of you.
We have 100 shootings that took place, Pastor Scott, in the last two weekends in Chicago alone, but we don't hear about it except for my show.
Well, you don't hear about it because the left knows that these are undemocratic-run cities, and, you know, with Chicago, especially being Obama's home base.
But, you know, here's one thing they don't bring out, Sean.
Most of the gun violence in the inner cities, they're not crimes of passion.
Most of the gun violence is drug-related, and they don't want to bring out that one unpleasant reality.
Why do you think that is?
Well, it's based on, there are a lot of different dynamics to it.
You know, the schools are bad, the neighborhoods are bad.
And to be quite honest, and people might take me to task for this, but hip-hop, the hip-hop culture incentivizes blacks to desire a lifestyle that only seems to be available to ball players or rappers or drug dealers.
Okay, I can't play basketball on a professional level.
I can't rap, but I want this bling.
I want this lifestyle.
It's the same thing that influenced me when I was growing up.
I was a victim of the black exploitation movies in the 60s.
My role models, the role models that I had were Superfly and the Mac and all of these guys, and they were all drug dealers, and they had the big car lifestyle.
We would look at that and say, oh, that's what I want.
So, when the role models that are placed before the black community are those of those elements, and you see, this is my way to get quick money and I can live this lifestyle and have these same things that they have.
The easiest way to do it, the shortcut to.
But this is our family.
Everyone that's shot is part of our American family.
And they're dying.
And the 90% of heroin that is crossing that southern border, that alone ought to incentivize this country to have a border wall and a door.
90%.
We're losing 300 kids a week to heroin and opioid overdoses.
We bring in Pastor Charles C. Adams.
I don't want this to happen to our family, our kids.
I don't want to report Monday that there was one shooting in Chicago.
I want the people in Chicago and the people of Philadelphia to be safe.
We saw 2% of the people taunting and throwing crap at the cops the other day, pelting them with stuff.
And the cops are in the middle of a shootout where six of them got shot.
Why is that happening?
Well, immediately, we need an assault weapons ban in this country.
There's no reason why somebody should be running around with an AR-15.
He did not create it.
He did not build it.
We need stricter gun laws, not just in Pennsylvania.
Reverend, you do understand that you can't put on the gun?
Yeah, I mean, it's Pastor, you do understand that anybody that wants to build any device that's going to kill large numbers of people, you can do that in 10 seconds if that's where your heart is.
All you're going to be doing is taking away the rights of other people to defend themselves from evil if it enters their home and threatens their family.
We have more gun violence in the United States because of our stubbornness.
Chicago has the highest toughest gun laws in the country.
They have the laws.
Illinois has some of the toughest gun laws in the country, but Indiana does not.
And a lot of these guns are coming across state lines.
There's the gun holding.
Pastor, you've got to understand something.
The guy in Philly had already been arrested on gun charges, and he still went out.
Why wasn't he in jail?
You're not making any sense.
That's all they want to do.
You're blaming an inanimate object.
The guy in Philly was more villain.
Villains are not supposed to own guns.
He bought the gun illegally.
When I was in the streets, we handled guns a lot.
All of the guns were purchased illegally.
Okay, if he's more, where did he get the gun?
Take away the assault rifles.
He didn't.
It was our gun illegally.
Where did the Sarnov brothers?
Hang on.
Where did the Sarnov brothers get the slow cooker?
What do you call that thing?
The pressure cooker.
Where did they get that?
They bought it in a local.
Are we going to ban pressure cookers next?
I mean, are we going to ban knives next?
Are we going to ban tirearms next?
You might as well throw reactions on there, too.
Because we had a couple of knifings recently.
We are talking about an AR-15.
You cannot compare that to a pressure cooker or a knife.
Tell that to the people in Boston that had their legs blown off, sir.
What are you talking about?
Let me tell you something about, let me tell you something, Pastor Adams, about guns.
Guns take on the character and the nature of the individual that possesses them.
In a good man's hands, the gun is good.
In a bad man's hands, the gun is bad.
It's not the gun that determines the crime.
It's the criminal that determines the crime.
But you cannot determine who is good or who is bad before they get the gun.
And it only takes one person to shoot six police officers who are armed and shooting back.
It takes one person to kill.
Okay, so let me ask you a question, Pastor.
You're hung up on the AR-15.
One quick question.
If the next shooting incident is with a pistol, you want to ban pistols?
Do you want to ban all guns?
Hold on, if the, you ban your, hang on.
No, no, no.
Listen.
You ban your AR-15.
You ban, then the next shooter has a bunch of pistols.
You wanted them banned pistols, too?
That's when you had—you know what?
It's background checks.
Stronger background.
I didn't ask you that.
I'm asking you.
Well, the people in Dayton and El Paso had a background check.
They passed it.
So would you want to ban pistols if the next shooting happens to be to use a pistol?
Would you want to ban them?
Semi-automatic pistols?
Yes.
Because that's the only thing that's going to be.
So you basically want to take away you want to leave us defenseless.
Let's be honest here.
How long did the El Paso shooter go ahead?
I'll get back to you.
You look at the numbers of people, Chicago, one city, 100 people shot.
And then the answer is it's the same predictable answer.
Well, we're going to get rid of this gun or that gun.
Okay, well, then the next shooting incident is going to be another gun.
Or it's going to be the insane anarchist cookbook, a book that is written that teaches people how to build bombs.
And what about the Sarnov brothers?
Do we get rid of those slow cookers?
What do you call those slow cookers?
Crock pots, pressure cookers.
I don't know.
I never cook with a pressure cooker.
I'd rather use a George Foreman groll.
But they use it.
Look at the people in Boston.
And then if the next one after that is going to be a revolver, we'll have to ban revolvers.
The only problem is at the end of this process, when law-abiding Americans have given up their arms, they now have no defense in their homes.
I know Hollywood liberals can afford armed guards, and I know our politicians have armed guards and police.
Well, what does the average American get to do?
There's a lot of evil in this world.
The evil is in one's heart.
The guy in Philly should have been in jail for his prior weapons laws that he broke.
Quick break, right back.
More on the other side.
All right, glad you're with us.
25 now till the top of the hour.
We're going to get back to Pastor Reverend Charles C. Adams and Pastor Darrell Scott.
I want to give you some numbers that just recently came out because it's very interesting.
After El Paso and Dayton, Ohio, along with the shootings that we see, sadly, every weekend in cities like Chicago, I don't know why, you know, generations now of only liberal so-called leadership hasn't fixed any of these problems.
Anyway, the call now is the predictable.
Oh, let's ban this.
Let's ban that.
Well, okay, well, then we will disarm law-abiding citizens.
What do they do when evil people, like the guy in Philly, he had already been arrested?
He never violated for violating the gun laws.
We had background checks in El Paso and Dayton.
Anyway, if you look at it in the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, the FBI and other sources, and you look at public opinion findings, you know, how many people die from gun-related injuries in the U.S. every year?
Well, suicides accounted for six in 10 U.S. gun deaths in 2017.
That's the most recent year we have.
39,773 people from gun-related injuries, according to the CDC.
What share of U.S. gun deaths are murders and what share of suicides?
Well, in 2017, it was 6 in 10 that were suicides, 37% murder.
What share of all murders and suicides involve a gun?
Well, three-quarters of all U.S. murders involved a firearm.
How has the number of gun deaths changed over time?
That's another good question.
But the bottom line is after declining in the late 1990s, U.S. gun suicide, gun murder rates have edged higher.
And I think what Rudy Giuliani did in the city of New York was he focused on the specific streets, areas, neighborhoods where the crimes were happening.
And they had stop and frisk.
And it was controversial, and it was called a race, but it worked.
And it worked dramatically.
We went from about 2,500 murders a year to below 500.
That's 2,000 lives saved a year.
We continue with Pastor Darrell Scott and the Reverend Charles C. Adams.
So if you ban assault weapons and then we have incidents with pistols, then you're going to ban semi-automatic pistols.
Okay.
Then the shooting after that will be a guy that has 400 pistols and he just lines them up and he shoots one after another in rapid fire.
Then I guess the next logical thing you'd want to ban is all guns.
Is that true, Pastor?
Absolutely not.
Although we do have to take seriously certain provisions in our gun laws, like four gun shows that provide a loophole for criminals to get guns and for guns to proliferate in the inner city.
And then also different laws for different states.
So if I live in a state that has strict gun laws and another state near me does not, then that negates the value of those strict gun laws.
So you want the federal government to be able to step in and have basically full gun control or gun buyback.
Do you support a gun buyback program?
Do you support national laws?
Cities are creatures of the state.
States are subordinate to the federal government.
We're all one country.
So whatever one state does affects another state.
So you could talk about the liberal Democrats that have run the cities, but who's running the state?
And whoever runs the state, they still must bow to the federal government.
But then what's going to happen if instead of firearms, what if people start using other improvised weapons?
I mentioned the anarchist cookbook.
You can sadly, today, go online and find out how to make bombs.
What are you going to do?
And a lot of those materials you can buy at like Home Depot.
What are you going to do then, Pastor?
Ban everything that can build a bomb?
The pastor there is simply echoing talking points.
He doesn't really even believe this is not coming out of his heart.
It's coming out of his head.
I think stopping frisk would be a good idea.
I think curfew enforcement, I think increased police presence.
And I'm talking about it from a perspective of a guy that was out there in those streets that was handling guns, that was around a lot of drug and whatever trafficking.
I know the mentality of those guys out there.
Drug, I mean, gun buyback programs, criminals aren't selling their guns back.
They're keeping those guns.
And he's speaking once again on talking points that he has, that he probably prepared before he went on the show.
But I tell you what, if someone in his family, someone close to him that he loves, gets shot, he won't be blaming the gun for it.
He'll be blaming it on the person that did the shooting.
That's a great question, Reverend Adams.
Answer that.
Look, I grew up in the city of friends to gun violence.
I was talking with Father Flager the other week, who had an adopted son that died in his arms, who was killed at 17 years old by a gang, by a gun.
So people who are for stricter gun laws are not necessarily removed from the reality.
It's all the more pressing for us.
This is something that we have been advocating for years.
To simply say it's a matter of the heart is an oversimplification.
And you can look at the numbers of gun deaths in the United States On the United States, the continuous United States, looks at the number of gun dates, gun deaths in Hawaii, where the states are not connected, where you can't just run across the border with a gun that you purchased at a gun show and sell it in Hawaii, where you have to jump on a plane.
There's a vast difference between the two because you cannot disconnect one state from another.
I'm filibustering, man.
Wait a minute.
Get somebody else in here.
This isn't the Charles Adams show.
That's the John Hannity show.
No, go ahead, Pastor.
Not one.
So stop for a minute.
What I'm saying is this.
I did stop for a minute.
Any animosity, any sadness you had over that shooting was not directed at the gun.
That 17-year-old boy that died, any angst or sadness, it was not directed at the gun.
It was directed at the shooter.
And so, so, so, the banning of a gun is not the answer.
It doesn't make anybody's heart feel better.
Oh, June Junior died, but they banned the guns.
That doesn't make you feel better.
You can't.
That's after dealing with the heart or dealing with the perpetrators.
We have to stop those that are perpetrating these crimes.
The gun is just an incidental tool that is used in the commission of the crime.
You cannot do as much damage with the knife, and you know that better than anybody else, Pastor Scott.
You know that you cannot do as much damage with a knife than you can a gun.
You never bring a knife to a gunfight, brother.
Now, don't isn't that since you come from the streets, don't you know that?
Knife or gun.
It doesn't matter.
Understand this.
Somebody raised in Chicago is three times the risk as white citizens.
The child's master.
And to say we're going to take measures like Stop and Frisk.
Sean, I was in New York studying when Stop and Frisk was at its height.
The reason why you saw less crime is because the economy recovered.
But Stop and Frisk disproportionately affected African Americans, Latinos, and over 80% of the time, the people were innocent who were detained.
Okay, let me say this.
The results are okay.
Here's the thing.
We went from 2,500 murders a year in New York City.
Now we're down around 400 or 300.
We're saving lives.
Now, I'm very sensitive to civil liberties and civil rights, but I'm going to say this.
At what part, you're both pastors.
You guys are preaching from the pulpit.
I'm not preaching from anywhere.
You guys tell me, you know, how is it that these cities with the most violence and the strictest gun laws and the most poverty have been run by liberals for decades and decades?
Why hasn't anybody fixed it?
What's going on inside the cities?
Why do they keep just electing the same people that never solve the problems?
And what about the family aspect of this?
You know, what has happened here?
What has happened in some of these cities that it's just a total, complete, like a seemingly a breakdown of our American family in some places?
Pastor Scott.
All right.
First of all, let me say this.
D-Roll fiddled while Rome burned.
And that's what the Democrats did on the watch in these inner cities.
The Democrats were getting rich.
You had guys going in on a civil service salary that are coming out millionaires.
They're getting rich as a taxpayers and at the community's expense.
But in revisiting what you said about Stop and Frisk, Sean, let me tell you this.
I've been pulled over at times, even when they've had sobriety checkpoints or whatever, and I've been pulled over.
I don't take offense to it.
If I know that the purpose of this pulling over is to make my city safer, I'm not going to play the race car.
Oh, I'm a black man and you're pulling me over.
It takes me getting pulled over and inconvenienced for a few minutes to ensure that another person lives in my community is safer, then I'm all for it.
And so a lot of people with this, oh, they were pulled over for stopping frisk and they were innocent.
Well, good.
We're glad they were innocent.
We want them to be innocent, but we want to catch the guilty as well.
And so these are things that are realities.
And the Democratic Party, once again, as I said, Nero fiddled while Rome burned.
They were too busy playing party politics and getting fat off of their communities and pimping out their communities.
And as a result, this is what we have.
And now they're seeking to put the blame because President Trump is the president.
They want to try to highlight these same conditions that existed under Obama that they overlooked.
Pastor Adams?
Just because Pastor Scott is okay with being racially profiled, that doesn't mean that the vast majority of Americans and African Americans are okay with racial profiling.
Because most of the people who are stopped and frisked are African-American and Latino white societies.
Let me get a reaction from Pastor Scott.
are the people that live in those communities that's the community that let me ask you this If Stop and Frisk had saved that 17-year-old boy's life, would you have been glad about that?
Of course, I would have been glad if the 17-year-old boy young boy.
If that one boy lived, then if 100 black people were pulled over, but that one boy lived, it would have been worth it.
If 1,000 black people were pulled over and 999 of them were innocent and the one guilty person saved that boy's life, it would have been worth it.
It's just the reality of the society that we live in and the reality of the communities that we live in as well.
Stop.
I just say if a nationwide ban on assault rifles would have stopped the shooting at Newtown, Connecticut, then you would have been pleased with that as well.
But the fact of the matter is we're speaking in hypotheticals.
But let me just say this.
When we talk about Democrats running American cities, let's look at the Republican record running the national government.
The economy failed under.
Let's look at the city failed.
Let's go back to where the father.
The economy failed under George Bush, the son.
Excuse me.
We're going to get into the, if you want to talk about politics, I'll give you the numbers you need to know.
Under Barack Obama and Joe Biden, we put in eight years, 13 million more Americans went on food stamps, 8 million more in poverty.
We had the lowest labor participation rate since the 70s, lowest homeownership rate in 51 years, worst recovery since the 40s.
He took on more debt than all 43 presidents before him combined.
Under Donald Trump, he's less than three years in office.
We now have two and a half years, the best employment situation since 1969, 7 million new jobs created, 7 million fewer people on food stamps.
We have millions of others out of poverty.
And we have the lowest record-setting unemployment demographically for African Americans, Asian Americans, Hispanic Americans, women in the workforce, and youth unemployment.
Now, Pastor Scott, you and I support the president.
I know Pastor Adams doesn't, but I would say that under Democratic party rule, just like big cities and small towns, their policies don't work.
Trump's policies are working.
And that's the truth.
The proof is in the pudding.
Trump's policies are working.
And they're working in spite of resistance, in spite of opposition, in spite of distractions, in spite of Congress, in spite of all of the forces that are aligned against him.
His policies are still working.
And what we need to do is rather behind him and just give this man a chance to make things better.
Final 30 seconds, Pastor Adams.
Get the last 30 seconds.
I am a supporter of those policies that are helpful for all Americans.
So, whether that is Donald Trump or Barack Obama or anybody else, Elizabeth Warren, for that matter, I am for any American policies that are helping others.
And the fact of the matter is, when you put money in education, in the inner city, in the infrastructure, like when we reinvested in America under Barack Obama, you're going to.
The worst results of any president in modern days.
I'm going to tell you something.
We spend more money.
We're number one in spending in terms of per capita per student in the industrialized world, but we're 37 in results.
It's not the money, Pastor.
It's this unholy alliance with teachers, unions, and the Democratic Party that have allowed this institutionalized failure.
We're failing our children.
We're failing them.
You know, Baltimore, 13 schools, 13 of them, not a single kid, not one, high schools, proficient in math.
That's inexcusable to me.
Decades, liberal, you know, liberal rule in these cities, liberal politicians, they haven't cared enough to fix it.
Got to run a lot to get to here.
Thank you both.
800-941-Sean is our number.
All right, that's going to wrap things up for today.
We're going to get the IG on Comey, the IG FISA abuse.
We're going to get IG leaking likely.
And, of course, we're looking at all of the big ones that are happening all over Europe.
Outsourcing, spying on presidential candidates.
It's all coming out very soon now.
And we'll have a hope you have a great weekend.
And we'll see you back here on Monday.
As always, thank you for giving us this microphone and thank you for being with us and making it possible.
