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I'm in for my good buddy, Sean Hannity, the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
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Folks, it's always so amazing to come on the show and get the host.
This is my biggest platform, getting to step into Sean's shoes and come up here.
Over 30 years of his experience building this platform.
And he and Linda have graced me with the opportunity to come on here and spread the truth.
And that's what I'm all about.
Those of you who don't know who I am, and I just can't understand Linda, I can't understand how they wouldn't know who I am.
I'm very humble.
If you don't know who Jonathan is, forget about it.
Forget about it.
Well, you know, it's interesting.
I've only been here, well, only.
I've been in New York for 14 years, right?
So that accent that Linda has is like home for me now.
It's strange.
I go back to Arkansas, I get a southern accent, I come back here.
I think somebody else has the accent here.
It's not me.
I'm all twisted.
So anyway.
No, you have an accent.
That's your problem.
Yeah, well, I'm proud of my Arkansas heritage.
So those of you who don't know who I am, I'm a former Navy SEAL, Federal Air Marshal, security contractor, FBI special agent.
That I used to say with great pride, not so much anymore.
I mean, I love the men and women of the FBI that work in the FBI.
I still have amazing friends in there.
But as we've seen with many of these agencies, the upper echelons, the senior executive service, and many of these people, It's become the whole upper echelon of executive power in Washington,
D.C. has become tattered at best and in a lot of ways subversive, putting their opinions and what they believe into their practice of how they carry out leadership, how they pick cases, and just like the media, how they sway information.
Now, we're going to have in a little bit, I'm going to bring, when I was on here last week with Sean as a guest, I was on with Sean Gallagher, who is Eddie Gallagher, Navy SEAL, active duty Navy SEAL, Eddie Gallagher's brother.
And I'm going to have another SEAL on with me as well.
And we're going to discuss the case with Eddie.
I want to give people an update on that.
People have been asking me for an update.
You know, what I want to point out now, though, and how it relates to all the things that are going on in the media, is that with Eddie, I believe what the evidence shows is that there is a picture being painted of him by the prosecution that's not true.
And, you know, this isn't just a one-off thing.
I've seen this with other cases that the JAGCOR in the Navy and in the DOD for that matter, that they work this way.
Now, it didn't used to be that way.
It didn't used to be that way.
It was like every other court in the United States where you were innocent until proven guilty and we let the facts play out in front of a jury.
But over the years, just like media has become corrupt, the court system and the attorneys and the way they carry out these cases has also been corrupted.
They have learned, knowingly or unknowingly, I don't know what they're teaching in law school, but they've learned the art of propaganda and subversive tactics.
They have learned that you can do a covert movement, if it will, sometimes not even covert, it's overt, I should say, of propaganda, trying to build an image of somebody of guilty, regardless of what the information or evidence may say.
And that is very problematic for me because we live in a country that is supposed to be free.
We live in a country where we are not supposed to fear the government coming after us because they don't share our beliefs, for instance.
We live in a country where the founding fathers took great steps to ensure that whatever religion you want to feel, whatever opinion you want to have about a politician or the police or anybody else for that matter, is protected.
It's your opinion.
You can have it.
And one of the ways that those protections carry out throughout the Constitution is that we are protected from being held as guilty before we are proven innocent.
And when we look at the case of Eddie Gallagher, which again, we're going to talk about later, and we look at the case of President Trump with this Russia fake Russia collusion, when we look at Michael Cohen marching into the courthouse today and claiming blind loyalty to Trump when he's being charged with crimes that have nothing to do with President Trump.
And he's saying that blind loyalty, that is a smear tactic.
That is a campaign, a propaganda campaign that the prosecution, in that case, it's Mueller, that they use to press upon juries and people who are being charged and manipulated for various reasons.
Now, I don't know what the reasons are in Eddie Gallagher's case.
It's very clear when you look at Michael Cohen that they're going after him to put pressure on Trump, which is very interesting.
It's very interesting because I monitor social media a lot.
And yesterday, I have to tell you, I don't know if the president's listening to this.
I hope he is.
I don't know if he is.
But if he was, I would say to him, sir, yesterday, the impromptu press conference or shaming in front of the world, the way he handled Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer was probably one of the most profound acts of leadership I have seen in my lifetime from a politician.
And yeah, you know, Trump's in the political world now, so we have to call him a politician.
What he did yesterday in handling, and I know they talked about this and you look on the news, everybody's talking about it.
But what he did yesterday was one, he handled the opposition, not just opposition, the liars in government, and he kept them at bay from, you know, they kept saying over and over again, let's just do this in private.
Let's take this in private.
Let's have this debate in private.
Well, why?
Why does something that is such a national security issue like border protection and immigration reform, why does that need to be debated behind closed doors?
There's nothing there that is going to be put out that it's not going to be made public.
You can't hide the tactics of putting up a wall because, hey, you're putting up a wall.
So I don't understand what there is to discuss in private.
But Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer continuously pushed, let's put this in a private room.
Let's have these debates in private.
Doesn't make any sense.
They offered no solutions.
Chuck Schumer comes out and says, we do have solutions, he calls them solutions, that can pass both the House and the Senate through the Republicans and the Democrats.
But historically, those are not effective solutions.
Those are solutions to get a bill through, not solutions to solve a problem.
And so when I was watching that yesterday, when I watched the president press them in this microscope, what we got to see was the reality.
And look, I say this time and time again.
You may be listening to this show and you may be liberal.
Heaven help you if you are somebody who believes in the Democratic Party.
You may have liberal beliefs and you may have ideas of social programs.
It doesn't mean you're a socialist.
You may have ideas about social programs.
I believe in certain social programs as well.
And I guarantee you, if the majority of us sat down and worked these out, we would come to effective solutions.
And there's nothing that we would have to hide there.
But what the president did yesterday is that he held this one of two political parties at bay.
I wish he would do the same thing that he did with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.
I wish he would do it with the leaders in the Republican Party as well.
Because he called them on the carpet in front of the media, which was broadcasting this live, and it gave us true transparency, true transparency.
And you see that Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi offer no solutions to the problem, only solutions to getting the bill through the House and the Senate, which probably wouldn't happen anyway.
And so as I was preparing for the show today, I was going over that press conference and I was going over exactly what a former president, President Kennedy, said in his, I believe it was his last speech.
And first of all, I want to play real quick, let's cut one from that speech.
Let's play that real quick, and I'm going to explain why this is important, even though he's trying to make light at this particular, this is in 1961, by the way.
Go ahead.
You may remember that in 1851, the New York Herald Tribune, under the sponsorship and publishing of Horace Greeley, employed as its London correspondent, an obscure journalist by the name of Karl Marx.
We are told that foreign correspondent Marx, stone broke and with a family ill and undernourished, constantly appealed to Greeley and managing editor Charles Dana for an increase in his munificent salary of $5 per installment, a salary which he and Ingalls ungratefully labeled as the lousiest petty bourgeois cheating.
But when all his financial appeals were refused, Marx looked around for other means of livelihood and fame, eventually terminating his relationship with the Tribune and devoting his talents full time to the cause that would bequeath to the world the seeds of Leninism, Stalinism, revolution, and the Cold War.
Now, I don't think I have to say too much about that audio clip that it should resonate home with you.
You know, first of all, Karl Marx in 1850 was working as a journalist.
Now, I'm not saying all journalists are communists, but I am saying that the subversive ideology that permeates what we call the media these days is very, very similar, and they're very similar in their beliefs.
Now, what was also interesting about that is the Herald Tribune that he's talking about there went on to become, was bought and split up and became the New York Times and the Washington Post.
The two most liberal left, not just liberal, let's be honest, the two most leftist papers and really media platforms that there are.
There is none worse.
I think you could put CNN and MSNBC in that category, but by and large, they have probably done more damage than most.
Now, he goes on to speak in this speech about, let's play cut two real quick, and then I'll explain to you as this goes along.
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covet means for expanding its sphere of influence, on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day.
It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations.
Its preparations are concealed, not published.
Its mistakes are buried, not headlined.
Its dissenters are silenced, not praised.
No expenditure is questioned.
No rumor is printed.
No secret is revealed.
It conducts the Cold War in short, with a wartime discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.
Now, that should be just as profound.
When he was given this speech in 1961, and the people that he was giving it to, by and large, were conservatives that were in the media at that point in time.
He goes on to talk about the one-party media or press at that time.
And I'm pretty sure he was talking about the conservatism of a lot of the newspapers and different people that were out there.
But what's interesting about that is when he lays that out, and I challenge you to go back and listen to this speech, you can find it on YouTube.
Listen to what he is saying about the tactics of subversives from the Cold War and what was happening at that point.
When you look at media, when you look at the court system, when you look at the way justice has been totally, totally crippled in this country, you are looking at those exact tactics.
And to me, as an American, born free and somebody who, as he says at the end of the speech, free and independent like we're supposed to be, it's very alarming to me.
And it should be very alarming to you.
I don't care what side of the aisle that you fall on.
It doesn't matter what side of the aisle that you fall on.
In this day and age, what is occurring is a subversive movement.
I've been seeing this for years, but more and more it's coming to light.
The way that the media plays this out, the way sound bites are used, the way that all these politicians want to meet in private.
They don't want their debates to be aired in a transparent way.
It's very similar to the tactics that President Kennedy was talking about in 1961, and that is alarming to me.
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Thank you for that.
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You know, folks, listen, before we go to break again, it's important for you to realize, if you didn't hear my opening monologue, it's important for you to understand that that quote that came from John F. Kennedy right there about being free and independent.
I have to tell you, as I've traveled the world recently, the world, I went to Ireland and back, but as I've traveled and come back, what I see is a neutered society, a society that is afraid to voice their true opinions.
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Was there any choice there?
Why, if this was salacious and this particular part of the dossier unverified, still unverified, by the way?
Yes.
So far as when I got fired, it was unverified.
Did you tell him that the steel dossier had been financed by his political opponents?
No.
I didn't even think I used the term steel dossier.
I just talked about additional material.
But did he have a right to know that?
That had been financed by his political opponents?
I don't know the answer to that.
It wasn't necessary for my goal, which was to alert him that we had this information.
This is Jonathan Gillam filling in for Sean Hannity and that, what you were just listening to, in my view, having been an FBI agent, is a criminal.
I believe that James Comey is a criminal.
And I believe there's so many people that we could consider criminals that have worked at the top echelons of government in the senior executive service and politicians and these political appointees that when I look at the Cohen case and I look at what he's being charged with, I just find it's utterly, utterly ridiculous.
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It teaches you strictly about awareness, which is very interesting because once you open the Pandora's box of awareness, you start questioning everything.
And this is one of those things.
You know, I wanted, Lynn and I were talking about who to bring in for this, and we wanted to bring somebody in that, you know, I'm not an attorney.
I worked putting people in front of attorneys so that they could go to jail when I was in the FBI.
But having an attorney on to talk about the reality of these cases, I think is very important.
And somebody I've always respected is David Schoen, civil liberties attorney.
You see him on Sean Hannity's TV show all the time.
And David, I think it's the first time we've ever been on together.
I've been watching you for years and years, and I'm always amazed at your insight.
So thank you for being on.
I appreciate it.
I really appreciate it.
It's an honor.
It's great to be on with you.
And I should tell you, my father was an FBI agent, so that's even more of an honor.
Oh, that's, well, there you go.
And that was when the FBI had something worthy.
It was, I mean, they had, listen, I'm not saying that the FBI agents out there aren't worthy of praise, but the reality is they are, the whole organization is taking a hit, and especially the leadership's just not to be trusted.
It's very, very sad, but I got two preliminary comments I want to make.
One is, I'm so glad to hear Call a crime a crime that has to be said and has to be said in those plain terms.
And your insight about awareness could not be more right on.
I just wish everyone would apply that.
So I suppose everybody ought to really get the book.
Well, awareness, thank you very much for that plug.
Awareness is it is a, and you know this as an attorney, you know, and anybody who's ever had a job, right?
Let's say they go get a job and they learn a little bit about their job and all of a sudden the rest of what they're supposed to do just kind of, it's like something's opened up and they say, okay, that makes sense to do this, this, and this.
The legal system is very similar.
And when we look at whether you're trying to hunt for a terrorist or protect yourself, which is what Sheep No More is all about, it's very similar in this case because when you look at the court system, the court system is supposed to work in a certain manner.
And when you see what's happening with Cohen, with Flynn, and all these other people, and you see people like Clinton and nothing's happening, I cannot sit back and say, oh, that's normal.
I think you're right.
Listen, I think so much of this was foreseeable for at least two reasons.
One, the makeup of the Mueller team sent the only message that had to be sent.
And that is the American public should have absolutely no confidence in anything that they come up with or anything they pursue because he intentionally and knowingly chose a team that had one agenda.
It was an anti-Trump agenda, the pro-Clinton agenda, people who financially backed Clinton, people who represented Clinton.
It's outrageous for the American public to be putting the bill for it and to be subjected to that kind of investigation that simply can't have any integrity.
And the other reason I think it's foreseeable is the special counsel regulations themselves open up the door to an unscrupulous prosecutor simply charging people with these subsidiary crimes, crimes that weren't crimes, until they made the mistake of speaking to the special prosecutor, which then allowed him and his team to charge them with things like what they perceive to be lying to the special prosecutor.
It's their unilateral decision to make.
They charge people and change their lives, ruin their lives just on their whim.
Right.
And so let's, perfectly said.
Let's go back just a little bit and look at how this special prosecutor came about, right?
So you had all this stuff with Clintons going on and all this maneuvering.
I believe personally that there were coordinations, and I've said this before, I believe that a lot of this stuff has been coordinated with Russian entities on behalf of the Democrat Party to make it look like there's footprints, for instance, when they say that somebody is in the computer in the DNC and they don't even do anything for a month about it.
And then they say, oh, we have Russian footprints in here.
I think those things are very easily explained if you look at it from an investigative standpoint who's worked any type of crime whatsoever.
That a lot of the times people try to make things look like they're the victim when in fact they're the ones doing actually perpetrating the crime.
Listen, you're the expert on that and you've seen it time and time again.
What I can say as a lawyer and just as an American is that it is outrageous what went on with the Clinton emails, what the government knew went on, and that to date it still hasn't been pursued.
The FBI every day of the week files criminal indictments against people for the destruction of emails in the course of an investigation.
Nothing, nothing has happened here.
It's amazing the power that must attend Mrs. Clinton and her whole entourage.
Well, and it goes, it transcends all into the across the government sector.
We look at the IRS and Lois Lerner.
We lost our emails.
Do you know how I know people who've gotten in trouble in the Bureau for little things, and they go back and pull up their BlackBerry messages from three, four years ago, and they can find entry, and they go through all of them, right?
If they can find that, they're not going to be able to find 30,000 emails from a server that was hooked up, you know, as far as any other government computer.
Oh, it's shocking.
It's shocking.
Listen, look at what happened during the IG investigation.
The FBI claimed they couldn't find certain emails that were relevant to the Anthony Wiener laptop and so on.
And the IG found somehow those emails.
There's just too much monkey business going on.
Right.
And when we, so let's move forward there.
And everybody's heard this a thousand times, but I think it's very important now that we see Comey here.
We go forward and we see that Comey, when he was in this predicament with the Wiener laptop, and I really do believe that was not something that they planned on.
And that was what caused James Comey to act.
That's what caused James Comey to have to come forward and give a 14-minute speech about how guilty Clinton was and then say she's not guilty for one minute.
And then he goes and leaks information to a Columbia University professor so that he can cause the special counsel to happen.
And that's how we got here.
It's a disaster.
I mean, I don't think anybody out there, any fair-minded person, would in a million years expect this from a modern-day FBI director or anyone in the high position of government that Comey has held.
What we're seeing now from Comey with his book tour is it all seems to be about Comey, about what Comey wants to do, about Comey's ego.
It's outrageous to leak documents to Professor Daniel Richmond, who also should have known better for the specific purpose of circumventing the rules and getting a special counsel appointed or whatever Comey's agenda was.
And the IG's investigation still is open on that.
We have to see what's going to happen.
And the guy's still going around touting his book and being arrogant before Congress.
Look, some of the answers you just played are outrageous.
He doesn't consider that he had an ethical duty to tell anyone to whom it was relevant that who financed the steel dossier and all of that.
And we're now just starting to scratch the surface about what was omitted from the applications to the FISA court and how they were misled.
And so something that you just said there, his arrogance is something that speaks loudly.
So you can look at Flynn and you see not an ounce of arrogance.
In fact, you see a man that's practically destroyed, right?
When you look at Cohen, or excuse me, well, Cohen's the same way.
When you look at Mueller and you look at Comey, what you're seeing is it's identical.
If you were to look at mob bosses when they're on trial and the way that they conduct themselves with an ego as though nothing is ever going to happen, the Teflon Dawn, that's the way they act.
That's the way people who have an insight to the judges, the juries, the prosecution, that's the way they act.
And that's exactly the way that they're acting.
You're 100% right.
But I would say this, and I don't think we've talked enough about this, frankly, over the last several months.
I know that the president is getting certain political advice that he has to walk carefully with Mueller.
He doesn't want to appear to be too heavy-handed.
But frankly, the Justice Department, forget about Rod Rosenstein.
He was a disaster with this whole Mueller business.
But now that he's not in charge, the Justice Department not only should get involved, they have an obligation to rein in Mueller to the extent Mueller engages in misconduct or simply presents himself and his team inappropriately to the American people for a public investigation.
At the end of the day, while the AG can't be involved in the day-to-day, the AG is responsible for the Mueller investigation.
Mueller has to report to him, and the AG is the one who sets the boundaries and the parameters.
It's time to, you know, everybody has seen the viciousness of Andrew Weissman, the unfair play of all of them.
It's time for the AG to act responsibly and for the Justice Department to take charge.
That's bottom line to me.
So here's what we're going to do.
I'm going to pose something, a question about that.
We'll take a break and come back, and I'm going to get your response to that because here's the deal.
The AG also said while they were doing their investigation, they lost emails that they couldn't, and it took them a month or two months to recover.
Can we trust the AG?
Because he is part of the senior executive service.
You hold your response on that, David Schoen, and we'll be back in just a minute.
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You know, folks, I know a lot of you are going to be around your families this Christmas, okay?
So it's very important, especially the way the country is divided, for you to come up with a way to keep everybody in line and happy, right?
And, you know, you can't do the same old games and the same old things that are going on.
I know at Linda's house, they play, what is it called?
Twister.
Your family does something to drink and plays Twister.
Is that what you guys do?
That's right.
Something like that.
Okay.
So anyway.
That's a different show.
So here's the best game that I've seen recently that has come out.
It's called Wits and Wagers.
All right.
So when you have a full house of people and you're trying to do stuff together, you pull this game out.
And what you do, as soon as you set it up, first of all, people are going to go crazy once they know what it's about.
Wits and wagers is great to play.
What you do is you ask everybody a question, and usually everybody starts laughing right away because the questions are funny and not what.
And even before they try to even start answering, once everybody writes a guess, because you've got to write the name down, then you get to place bets on top of everybody's answers.
Now, Kylie's actually played this game at a family gathering.
And what'd you think?
It was pretty amazing, was it not?
Pretty amazing.
It's just a lot of fun.
Everybody laughs, you know, add a little cocktails to it, and the whole room will just be on the floor, just dying, laughing.
And if you feed them a lot of turkey, they'll be on the floor falling asleep afterwards.
So they'll laugh, play the game, laugh, and then fall asleep.
So listen, Wits and Wagers, it's just fun.
You should go get it.
And over this holiday season, head to Target.
That's where it's at and pick up the gift that my family loves.
Kaylee's family loves it.
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So let's get back to what we were talking about a second ago.
We got David Schoen on here, and he is an attorney extraordinaire, civil liberties attorney.
And I posed the question when we left on break.
Can the AG be trusted?
Gail, listen, it's a big and important question.
Here's the way I look at it.
I want to believe that we're starting a new day at the Attorney General's office.
Mr. Sessions, I hate to say it, who's a fellow Alabamian, but it just didn't work out.
You have already said more in this segment than he said in his entire tenure as the Attorney General.
Well, I think that's right.
What we saw at the Justice Department was paralysis.
It's either a combination of malfeasance and missing inaction for far too long.
The country can't take that any longer.
Listen, this Mueller investigation has paralyzed things.
Despite that, frankly, the president has made amazing, amazing, amazing steps in the Middle East, in the economy, et cetera, despite this paralysis.
But I'm afraid it's got everybody sidetracked.
So the country is being run in a sense by Mueller and the media.
I want to give the Attorney General, the incoming Attorney General, if it's going to be Mr. Barr, whoever it's going to be, the benefit of the doubt.
But say that, listen, Mueller is now on your watch.
You've got to take charge here.
Proper maintenance of emails and other records is on your watch.
You've got an IGN who I believe to be an honest guy.
He's been a good friend of mine for many, many years.
They're acting too slowly with these investigations.
Some of the investigations were farmed out to U.S. attorneys now who are also acting slowly.
You want to be careful, but we've got to have action.
You have to show that the Justice Department is being fair-handed in some manner.
And so that means now really going after the Comeys, the McCabes, all of these folks at Clintons, and exposing what went on there if we're going to continue with this so-called investigation of Mr. Trump.
So whether the AG can be trusted is going to depend on what happens on their new watch.
I want to give them the benefit of the doubt.
So let me ask you this because we got about a minute left, and I have a terrible time trusting any of these people that are what I call swamp people that are part of the Washington, D.C. scene and then are brought in.
Like I would like to see somebody like Andy McCarthy come in and be the attorney general, somebody that's not a part of that swamp, even though Andy never seems to, he always turns me down every time I try to interview him.
I hope you heard that too, by the way.
But I have a problem with bringing these people in because the last question I got for you real quick, 30 seconds.
At what point are civil liberties being violated for somebody like President Trump where the Department of Justice or these people are doing these things?
They're not verified.
The investigations are false, built on false evidence, and they're using the media to smear him.
At what point are Americans actually that their civil liberties are being violated?
Every day of the week.
Listen, our whole right to vote has been diminished as a result of this because we see if there's an agenda against the elected candidate, that that's going to hold sway both in the media and, unfortunately, in the Department of Justice for now, at least.
But what you've seen with the Pfizer court is one of the most outrageous violations of civil liberties based on just what we know so far that I think we've seen in many, many, many years.
And it's especially dangerous because of the secrecy that attends that process.
And it's done ex parte.
God bless you, brother.
Keep up the great work.
David Schoen, civil rights attorney.
And this is Jonathan Gillum filling in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
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This is Jonathan Gillum back in for my good buddy Sean Hannity.
Sean Hannity Radio Show, 800-941-7326 is a call-in number.
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You may be asking yourself, where is Sean?
And why is this guy filling in for him?
Well, that's because Sean is doing an amazing interview with the First Lady tonight, which is why he is not here with us today.
So make sure you tune in tonight to the Fox News channel at 9 p.m. to see Sean with his exclusive special interview with the first lady, the lovely Melania Trump.
That ought to be great.
And I just want to say this real quick.
I love Twitter.
I love Twitter.
I'll tell you why.
Because Twitter allows me to see the reality of the mindset and the brain cells of everybody that's out there in this country, this great country that I love, and the people that I've defended both at home and abroad.
My favorite tweet of the day so far, besides all the normal insult tweets that you get when I host for Sean, the leftist trolls love Sean.
They really do.
They love him.
He has a special place in their heart.
Dorothy wrote me and said, it's been 32 minutes already, and you've pitched your book two times.
One time an hour is too often unless you want us to change the dial.
So here's what I'm going to ask.
Please don't change the dial, Dorothy.
I don't have my own radio show.
So when I come on here, I have to push as much as possible.
So bear with me.
There's a reason why I'm pushing this book is because, first of all, it took me three years to write this book, to get it out.
And it is something that will change your life when you read it.
It will make you safer.
It'll make the people that you know safer.
And I'll explain it later.
But it's called Cheap No More, and you can get it on Amazon.
So there's one more for you, Dorothy.
I love you.
So listen, let's change the subject here real quick.
Enough about me.
Let's talk about what I discussed earlier, which is the legal system and how it's unbelievable.
It's mind-boggling how even in the military, in the DOD JAG Corps, how corrupted the legal system has gotten to a point where attorneys go out of their way to formulate an image of somebody that may or may not.
And quite often, a lot of times it has nothing to do with reality.
And they will formulate this picture that they can spread around almost like a subversive intelligence mission.
And so that people, even in the area where these people operate and work, will start to doubt them.
You see the same thing with President Trump on television, with all the Russian stuff.
How many people that are conservatives have said, well, I don't know, maybe this is real.
Maybe it's not.
Maybe Trump did do something with the Russians.
But yet when you look at the case, if you know anything about investigations, there's nothing there, nothing.
And it's the same when I look at my friend Eddie Gallagher's case, Navy SEAL, that's being held for, get this, folks, being in a firefight, killing upwards of, I don't know, like 49 ISIS fighters.
One guy was left barely alive.
From what we understand, Eddie and another medic worked on this ISIS fighter after he had been drugged and beat up by, and he has a bleeding artillery or excuse me, artery wound.
He has sucking chest wound.
His trachea is crushed.
Eddie, who's a medic and the chief of his platoon and another medic work on this individual to bring him back.
Not because they love the guy, but because they want to interrogate him to get information out of him for follow-on missions.
And they were unable to bring him back.
And lo and behold, three haters that were in the platoon, and I'll let Sean Gallagher, who's going to come on with me, along with my good buddy Robert Ekoniak, a former retired SEAL, tell you more about this.
But there were three guys from the platoon that just did not like Eddie, were caught conspiring to come up with a story to kind of frame Eddie.
And now Eddie has been held in a brig in San Diego.
I think he's in San Diego.
I may be wrong.
He's been held in a brig now since September 11th.
Now, this is a guy that's being accused of murdering a dying ISIS fighter by plunging a knife into him.
So get that straight.
He's being accused of murdering an ISIS firefighter that is dying that they just got out of a firefight with.
And he was arrested.
NCIS and their infinite wisdom decided in the JAG Corps, let's arrest this guy on September 11th.
Let's go into the medical unit where he's getting his traumatic brain injury treated.
And let's arrest him in front of everybody.
And then hold his kids at gunpoint in the front yard on September 11th after he's being accused of killing a dying ISIS fighter that he just got into a firefight with.
Now, as we move forward, what I'm starting to see here is that the prosecutor in this case, the JAG prosecutor, is using the same tactics that I've seen him use over and over and over again when I look into his background.
And that is they have, it appears to me, to be a group of people that are maligning Eddie.
And they are doing it subversively.
They're calling people in the command.
They're calling other team guys.
They're calling people in media.
And they're even calling congressmen.
And it's not a lot of people.
We're talking about a couple of people.
And they're saying that there's more evidence to this.
So far, there is no evidence that we've seen.
And Eddie himself and all the people that have talked to him separately come back and say, one, Eddie's crushed.
And two, it's the same story over and over again.
It just didn't happen.
They have no body.
They have no evidence.
They just have three guys' testimony against a whole host of other people, including Iraqis, that say none of this stuff ever happened.
So joining me now is Eddie's brother, Sean Gallagher, and a good friend of mine, retired Navy SEAL Robert Ekognak.
Guys, thank you for being on here.
Robert, as always, my brother.
Thank you for your service and being part of the brotherhood.
I want to start with Robert real quick as far as this brotherhood goes.
It's a touchy subject for SEALs to come on and discuss these things.
And the reason I wanted to bring you on is because, you know, I was a SEAL, but I was a one-platoon hit wonder, and I never went to war.
I entered all my doors in the FBI later on.
But you were in war, and you've been in these situations.
How much of what's going on and the way this has been publicly aired, how much of a hit is that on operators that are over there right now or getting ready to deploy as far as their psyche when they are going to be going up against a warring faction that wants to eliminate us?
Well, thank you for having me on, and it's a pleasure to be here today.
And I'd like to stipulate on this, that I have been retired, so I don't have the pulse of actually what's going on, but do have the opportunity to where I've been able to talk with a lot of these guys.
And the consensus of the few people, the people that I have spoken with, is that they're very apprehensive because it seems that you're being judged after the fact versus having the support going down range to go fight the fight.
You can take this fight to the enemy, serve your nation, fight for your nation, to come home to be relegated to accusations and then be guilty until proven innocent versus being innocent until proven guilty.
And that seems to be something that is huge in the legal system right now.
Somehow along the way, whether it be a Supreme Court nominee being accused of something that happened when he was in high school, or whether it be Eddie or even President Trump, it's let's just, let's convict these people in the court of public opinion and not worry about really proving whether he's innocent or guilty.
Sean, let me ask you, first of all, have you talked to Eddie recently?
Yes.
And how's he doing?
He's hanging in as best he can.
You can imagine someone of his caliber and of his stature being confined behind razor wire in a jail by the very country that he fought to protect for 20 years for the freedoms that he fought to give everybody is now being denied those.
It's a pretty soul-crushing experience.
I mean, he's the strongest guy I've ever met.
I mean, imagine having an older brother who becomes a Navy SEAL for 14 years and goes to war, not only two times or three times or four times, but eight times.
He's an immensely strong guy.
But I think that the thing that is most heart-wrenching to him and our family is the betrayal that he feels and that we feel by his community and by the country, really, that there is just what you and Robert had alluded to, a cancer, a corruption within.
Let me just say this real quick, though.
He is not being held by his country.
When I say the country, I'm talking about the people.
Yeah, he's being held by the government for sure.
But the reality is he's being held by what I believe is a broken judicial system inside the military and outside the military that Has now attorneys that are not ethical, that work off of principles of ego and careerism, and are not concerned with guilt or innocent.
They're concerned with winning cases, and they'll do that for any way that they can get it done.
And the other thing that I'm really, really perplexed by is: are these people anti-war, anti-Trump?
I would love to find out about this prosecutor and a lot of these people in the JAGCOR.
It's the same thing in the Department of Justice.
It's the same thing we've seen with Mueller and that whole group.
I would not doubt if these people, the way that they're treating this warrior and a man who's done so much for this country, it would not surprise me if there are the same type of let's shift the way this country is.
Let's make our military nicer and let's punish warriors for doing their job.
Well, there's a clear, clear indication that, and it's one of those things where you can see it so vividly when you look at it.
This guilty until provenism thing, as you mentioned, but also just a clear ignorance of the job that guys like yourself and Robert and Eddie have to do day in and day out of what they're doing over there.
And so there absolutely is this Monday morning quarterbacking, this armchair quarterbacking where they're saying, oh, well, maybe you should have done this or that.
And they have no clue of the blood, the sweat, the tears, the effort, the time away from family, and the commitment to a cause that a guy like Eddie has to go through.
The purity of thought and just the commitment to his country that he has to take out and do the missions that he has.
We see just an, yeah, you're absolutely right.
I couldn't set it better myself.
An undercutting of that by this false ideology that a lot of these folks have, that they can't square away a guy like Eddie and what he stands for and what he's willing to do to protect us with these kind of soft ideals.
And they just use those to judge.
And it's heart-wrenching because they have the power and they have the authority.
And here Eddie is the victim of that corruption, that victim of that cancer within.
And, you know, we're fighting like hell to get him out, but it's been a tough battle.
Listen, let's take a break real quick.
We're going to come back real quick, though, before we go.
I'm going to hold you guys over.
What is the website where people can go and donate and support Eddie?
Justice4Eddy.com.
Justice4Eddy.com.
This is Jonathan Gillum filling in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
I'm going to hold both of my brothers over there for a second.
We're going to come back and talk more about Eddie Gallagher and the judicial system as a whole and about warfare and the reality of what actually happens over there.
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And Dorothy, please go get my book, Sheep No More: The Art of Awareness and Attack Survival.
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Now, let's get back to this conversation with my good buddies, Sean Gallagher.
Eddie Gallagher is a former active duty Navy SEAL, actually, being held in the brig.
Sean Gallagher is his brother, and Robert Ekoniak is a retired Navy SEAL.
Guys, we don't have a lot of time in this segment, so I want to just cut to the chase here about this.
Robert, I want to ask you point blank, when, and I know that, again, I said this before, it's a slippery slope.
I know there's a lot of team guys out there that don't like this stuff aired, but the reality is I think that the brotherhood transcends warfare.
You come home, you should support your brothers.
Do you feel the same way?
Do the teammates feel the same way?
And is there a movement starting, if not, how do we get this started to where we get teammates realizing how important this is to stand up for somebody who has not even gone to trial and is already being convicted as guilty?
Wow, there's a few different answers.
There's multiple layers there, but for the most part, what I'll say to you, Jonathan, is that there is the sentiment of actually looking to find the truth.
Because right now, what we're not seeing is evidence being presented to bring this case to convict Eddie because nothing exists other than happenstance and circumstance evidence to suggest that something happened versus video or anything of that nature.
So when we're looking at this in the community, I think that this shifted what the brotherhood really is about because leaving No Man Behind is a culture that we live by.
And right now, we're seeing a division here where we want to be stand right in hindsight and make judgments based on what happened in combat after the fact versus standing behind our brother and seek the truth and find out where the actual line of truth sits.
And you are in charge of men in war.
You know mentality.
You know people who are able-minded.
Is Eddie a danger to society?
No.
And, you know, that's interesting to bring that up because if you take a look at Eddie Gallagher's record from the Marine Corps all the way into the SEAL teams, this guy has presented himself upon the battle space as clear-headed.
In fact, a leader amongst men, being able to assess the battlefield space and not just react, but to gain victory, to maneuver to the advantageous position.
Right.
He has demonstrated time and again.
And even when I do a visit in the brig, even inside of there, trying to help people who are in need and not even thinking of himself.
He's a natural-born leader.
Got to go to a break.
Sean, just real quick, what is the name of the website again?
It is justice4eddie.com.
All right.
God bless you guys.
Thank you very much.
We'll stay on top of this.
This is John the Gill.
I'm filling in for Sean Hannity.
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We're coming back for more.
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Right now, I want to go, I want to take a call real quick.
The woman that you were telling me about.
Which one is that?
We want to go to Deb.
Let's go to Deb.
Deb, are you there?
Yes, sir.
Deb, tell me what you were wanting to say.
Well, I just heard that woman call in and she was complaining about you promoting your book.
And I just wanted to say that, you know, I listen to the radio a lot and I hear a lot of guest hosts, and some of them are just lame, but you have a lot to say.
You've got an opinion.
You put it well together.
And I think, heck, go ahead and promote your book.
I love that.
And yes, I do have a lot to say.
I was raised in Arkansas, and it is inbred in us from a very young age to say whatever's on your mind.
I think it's great.
But listen, I do appreciate that.
You know, I have a limited amount of time when I come on the radio because I'm a fill-in host for people.
So I have a limited amount of time to push what I believe is not just a book, but it's a manual for safety and awareness.
And that's, so I appreciate that.
If you don't have it, I want you to get it, and I want your opinion on it, Deb, because I like the way you think.
Okay, you got it.
You got it.
God bless you and have a very, very Merry Christmas.
You also.
Thank you.
All right.
Let's go now.
Let's bring on my buddy, Scott Eulinger.
For those folks that, you know, I could tout my background all you want.
I've done a lot of different things.
This guy has a resume that is shockingly amazing, a naval officer, CIA operations officer, and chief of station in the CIA.
And he is somebody that I turn to when I want my opinion validated because I think something is, you know, I'm like, I think this is what's going on.
I think this isn't right what they're saying in the media.
I turn to Scott Eulinger and more than often he says, yes, you're right.
But he also tells me when I'm wrong.
So, hey, Scott, thanks for coming on, my friend.
Hey, thanks, Jonathan.
I just wanted to I wanted to compliment you on some of your recent Twitter.
I think you're really going a little Jonathan Livingston Seagull on me a little bit.
You've got some pretty interesting quotes here.
Actually, I mean, they're very nice.
Circumstances in life that appear hopeless are the same locations in space and time where you will find faith.
I mean, that's great.
You've got a gift for a turn of phrase, Jonathan.
It's really nice stuff.
I appreciate it.
You know what's interesting about that, Scott, is that I come upon these thoughts at night.
I talk to people.
People tweet me or friends that are having hard times.
And I sit there and it never fails right before I'm going to sleep.
I get, you know, that's when I get creative.
And it's a true blessing that I had because people, what you think, and I really do recommend people do this.
When you're having a hard time or you've been through a hard time and you see people doing things, make a little meme up, put it out there, and you will be amazed.
One person will say thank you, and then it'll be five.
And before you know, like 100, 200 people are written in, and they're saying, you know, I woke up and saw this today, and it changed my day.
Because people, you know, when they're in tough times, it means a lot.
So I appreciate you noticing that.
Right.
And there's one other thing.
I got to share this for the listeners because it's from Chuck Yeager has, you know, tweets out, you know, General Chuck Yeager that breaks up the sound barrier.
And he wrote this, you know, this is for those people who would complain about, you know, their lot in life.
Okay, listen to this one.
On this day, I guess, on December 12th in 1953, I went dunk hunting early morning.
I test flew the X-1A past Mach 2, tumbled on all three axes, was knocked out by hitting my head on the canopy, recovered, went home, changed into a black tie, went out with my wife, Glennis, to a banquet in LA and gave a talk.
I was tired.
Now that's inspiring to me.
When I read that in the morning, and that's inspiring to read.
If you're having problems sleeping at night, I recommend living a life like that.
You probably won't have any problem sleeping at night.
That's right.
So let's talk about modern day events here.
Let's talk about the reality of, you know, we could talk all day, every day, if we really wanted to get into it.
can have a show that was 24 hours long and have legal experts and all these people come in here and talk about government and the FISA stuff and Comey and whether Trump was in a Russia investigation.
What I like about talking to you about this is that you have ran intel operations on other countries.
And in your opinion, I've asked this before.
When you look at the Trump Russia investigation, and there's a lot of liberals and leftists that listen to this show, they probably listen to Sean Hannity's show closer than anybody else.
And they pick it apart.
But the reality, I want you to educate them.
How close does this mimic when you look at the media, when you look at the behavior of people like Comey and Mueller and the Democrats and Brennan and all these people, how closely does this mimic something that you would have done to another country?
Yeah, very much so.
That's what I saw in other countries working against other intel services is how they were so tied up in knots with their own internal political conflicts, they were useless to defend their own national security.
And unfortunately, that's kind of the direction we seem to be going in, whether it's the FBI where you worked, the CIA where I worked.
I mean, it's become so politicized, and these people are very poor role models.
They're breaking laws.
They're breaking certainly the spirit of laws and they're creating a demoralized workforce.
And that's going to be less effective national security for all of us, for all listeners.
And that's a terrible thing.
And, you know, the rank and file people are incensed at this kind of conduct because like everyone who listens, there's a dual standard.
If you're higher up in the government hierarchy, there's one set of rules.
And if you're a worker bee like we were or just a regular citizen on the street, there's a different set of rules.
And people are tired of that.
And what we're seeing every day with more, whether it's, you know, with Comey's latest testimony or whatnot, is the same type of thing, incompetence, lack of accountability, and people who never seem to have to answer for what they do wrong.
Now, when you look at somebody like the way Cohen is acting and saying the things that he says about the fact that he had unbridled devotion to the president, when you look at the way he acts, when you look at the way other people that are traditionally brought forward in these special prosecutors grasp, don't they, is it just me or do they act exactly like a source that you have trapped?
I was going to say in-trapped.
In-trapped means that it's fake or fake case.
I'm talking about where you trapped them.
They did something wrong and you got them.
And so you flip them and then they start saying the monologue that you want them to say.
And doesn't that sound like them?
I know you've ran sources.
Oh, yeah, very much so.
Yeah, very much so.
Certainly with our good friend Cohen.
Yeah, we're definitely seeing that.
But what we're seeing with someone like Comey in the FBI, I mean, you've been tweeting a lot about lack of leadership.
And I mean, you couldn't be closer.
I mean, that's absolutely what we've got here.
I mean, he's in front of the Congress, and he is the former director of the FBI, and he's talking about an investigation that was not run out of Topeka, but was in fact run out of Washington.
And he says things like, he's not sure how the steel dossier got to the FBI.
Now, I'm sorry.
I refuse to believe that that man is that incompetent.
That is perjury.
That has got to be perjury.
He doesn't know how the FBI verified the steel dossier.
I mean, this is inconceivable coming from the director of the FBI.
If this was in Japan, this guy would have committed ritualized suicide by having just embarrassed him and his entire family line.
And what about this, okay?
What about the fact that when you look at all the things that these people are doing and the way that they act, as I was saying before, very similar to sources and very similar to the way you would run a counterintelligence operation.
What is typically an outcome of something that you're doing when you, you know, the outcome of the missions when you had these counterintel operations, when you were pressing a political thing, you're running a source.
You know, we can almost sit here, I think, and predict the movements that Mueller and Comey and all these other people that you wrote about, John Brennan, how they will maneuver and how they will act because it's almost predictable because they have to move that way to counter against Trump.
That's right.
And especially people like yourself, people like Dan Bongino, who is in the Secret Service, myself.
We've been in the government long enough to kind of understand the way they think and the moves that they will undertake.
Exactly.
And so that's why, you know, my latest article on this is at newsmax.com.
But I've been writing about this off and on, amongst other things, for more than two years.
And the minute that Trump first said that Trump Tower was bugged, unquote, quote, unquote, was when I knew that almost certainly it was true.
And what we found out is that it is exactly true.
And then what we also see is pathetic is we see all of these, whether it's Comey or Brennan or people like Samantha Power, they have this, they try to take a moral high ground when these people are the most amoral reprobates out there.
I mean, like John Brennan is a mastermind, you know, is was the mastermind behind using foreign intel services against the Trump campaign.
And the guy has this invective on Twitter against the president that is unbelievable.
And it's clearly a case, as you and I have both seen, of somebody projecting their own guilt and corruption onto other people.
Well, I don't even know if it's projection as much as it is a Saul Linsky, a communist.
They always give Saul Linsky the credit for these tactics, but this is Counterintel 101.
Listen, Scott, let's take a break.
We're going to come back.
I'm going to hold you over the break.
We're going to come back and finish with this conversation.
Scott Ulinger, you can find him on Twitter at TheStation Chief.
You can find his latest article on newsmax.com.
And you can find me on Twitter at jgilliam underscore seal.
And on Facebook, Instagram.
Yeah, I'm on Instagram, people.
Everybody's on Instagram, right?
So I'm on Instagram and YouTube at Jonathan T. Gilliam.
And for Dorothy, go get my book, Sheep No More, The Art of Awareness and Attack Survival.
We'll be right back.
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And it's great to have you on here.
Now, when we left, we were talking about the reality of how much this case, in my eyes, is similar to one of the intel operations that you would have ran against another country.
And so with that being said, when you look at the way that the special counsel uses these people, not going after people who they think are necessarily guilty, because there's definitely what they want.
You can see it.
They're climbing a ladder to get to Trump.
And so they pick people strictly to flip them.
And I want you to explain to people how much of a sticky situation that is because when you flip somebody, and by flipping them, I mean, you put them in a, you catch them having done something wrong.
In the case of Cohen or these people, it may not have anything to do with the Russian investigation at all.
But they use that leverage to get them to say what they want them to say.
And that is dangerous because what happens then, you are miles away from justice.
That's right.
I mean, someone like Paul Matafort was what they were bringing him up on some finance fraud charges from eight or nine years ago.
That has nothing to do with Russia.
That has nothing to do with the Trump campaign.
But that's what they did to leverage pressure on him so he would basically give them the story that they wanted.
And they did the same thing with General Flynn.
I mean, there's been some stories recently about the way the FBI acted around General Flynn, and it was absolutely disgraceful and unethical.
Perhaps it was a violation of the law.
But I mean, they urged him not to have an attorney there because, oh, well, we just want to have an informal talk.
And then they took the informal talk as a way of setting a three-star general up.
And so then, of course, people like us, the listeners think, all right, if they're willing to do that to a three-star general, why wouldn't they be willing to do that to John Q Citizen out on the street?
It would be a much easier task.
Now, you said something in the last segment we were talking, and I wanted to bring this back up because if you and I, you were talking about, can you imagine a director of the FBI doing some of the things that he's done?
You would never think when you're working in there that these people are going to do these things, right?
You're busy working on the street.
You're a street guy.
You're doing investigations.
You're running sources.
And you're told, don't screw around with emails.
Don't text anything inappropriate.
Don't have anything to do with the press.
Don't talk to foreign agents.
And we would go to jail for that stuff or fired at the least.
Absolutely.
And they have done, they're doing all that.
That's right.
Another thing they're doing, so not only are they going to be able to do that.
You got 30 seconds about.
You got about 20 seconds.
Right.
But also, it hurts the reputation of the FBI and CIA.
It makes it more difficult for the FBI and CIA to do its job.
The word on the street is that the leaders are incompetent.
Yep, exactly.
Scott Ulinger, my good buddy.
Thank you very much.
You can find him on Twitter at The Station Chief and on Newsmax, where he's doing some great articles.
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Now, a lot of people have been asking, where is Sean today?
Why is Jonathan Gillum hosting?
Well, I'll tell you why.
Sean is doing an amazing interview with the first lady tonight, which is why he isn't here today.
And you can watch that tonight on Fox News channel at 9 p.m. to see Sean and his exclusive special interview with the first lady, the lovely Melania Trump.
Go and watch that tonight.
But now, let's shift gears a little bit.
It's, you know, it's interesting when I say shift gears, it seems like everything we talk about in government these days comes down to Trump good, Trump bad, and Trump involvement with Russia and some kind of allegations that are being pushed this way or that way.
Nothing he can do.
I think what he did yesterday in his press conference was the greatest act of leadership publicly that I have seen in my lifetime.
And I'm 49.
I think what he did yesterday with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, it was ultimate transparency and ultimate ownership of how the government should be ran in his job as basically the CEO of this country.
But when we look beyond that leadership that was shown yesterday, and we look beyond the SESers, the senior executive service members who are so corrupted in this government, and we look beyond the worry that government is going to do things to you and collect information on you, what we see is a leftist ideology, and you just heard some of it there in the documentary portion of the documentary that was aired there.
What you see is a leftist ideology that permeates social media, search engines, all these different ways that people can watch you.
And when I was in the FBI, one of the things that always stood out to me was when we wanted information on somebody, we didn't go to the government to get that.
We didn't go to the NSA to get that information.
We went to the phone companies that subpoenaed them.
We went to Facebook.
We went to Google.
And that's who we subpoenaed to get the real information from.
And guess what?
There is no laws that are hoarding over them as to what they can keep and can't keep about you.
You search it, it's there.
So joining me now.
I mean, I think one of the people who's doing some of the best work there is to watch our government and to pick out these things that different people are doing that are so corrupt.
It would spin the minds of our founding fathers if they saw what was going on.
Peter Schweitzer, he's author of Secret Empires, How the American Political Class Hides Corruption and Enriches Family and Friends and Presidents of the Government and President of the Government Accountability Institute.
And he also created the documentary, The Creepy Line.
I mean, you've done, listen, I could sit here and for this entire segment, I could tell you what Peter Schweitzer has done.
So I'm glad to have you here.
You're doing really amazing work, Peter.
Well, thank you.
It's great to be on with you.
And I just appreciate all that you're doing for the country as well.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Now, let me ask you, I'm sure you heard what I was saying there.
When I was in the FBI, when we go get subpoenas for information, people are always worried about what the NSA has.
They don't think about what Google has.
They don't think about what the phone companies have.
And they have a better, people that buy information from them can put together a better profile of who you are than anything the government could probably ever come up with.
No, that's exactly right.
And, you know, the best way to think about this, I think, is to the extent that these tech companies can do something for you, they can do something to you.
So in other words, they can do a lot of things for you.
They can give us targeted advertising.
They know what we're interested in.
They track our movements and they give us these mapping applications that help navigate, which is all great stuff.
But they can do those things because they are collecting huge amounts of information on us and they can use that information against us.
And I think that's the biggest thing that people have to realize.
You encounter some people, you talk to them, and they'll say, you know, well, I don't care if they have that information because they're just, you know, they're selling me ads.
They're doing more than that.
They're nudging you.
They're manipulating you.
They're using that information against you.
And it's really not even a point of debate anymore.
With all the leaks that have come out of Google, we now know that this is exactly what they are doing.
They talk about it openly.
They debate it within Google how to do it most effectively.
They do it for political reasons.
They do it for ideological reasons.
The point of the fact is that they are using your own information and data against you to try to steer you or manipulate you to go in a direction that you ordinarily would not go.
Right.
You know, it's interesting.
Over the past, I guess, five years since I've been hosting this show and some others as a guest coming on and hosting, my social media has grown, right?
And what's interesting, the first time I did this show, I was relatively unknown.
I'd been on Fox News a little bit, and Sean asked me and Linda asked me to come over here.
And the first show I did, my Twitter went up 3,000 in three hours.
Now, when I host this show, my Twitter maybe will go up 300.
Yeah.
Now, there's all these talks about shadow banning.
I look on Facebook.
You know, I was one of those people.
I did a show every night.
I had my own social media show I did on Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter.
And within three, really, I'd say three weeks, but it's really about a week and a half.
I went from reaching a million people a night, 750,000, a million people a night on my Facebook show, The Experts, on Facebook, to reaching 1,500.
And I got banned on YouTube because I criticized David Hogg.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, this goes on regularly and consistently.
And the leaks that have come out relating to Google, but also the information that comes out from Twitter is it's very clear.
You have employees at these high-tech companies.
They only want certain points of view pushed.
And it's the same thing we see on college campuses, you know, where they only want certain people shouted down or blocked.
But the difference is and the challenge is in the tech world, you don't know what you don't know.
So, you know, in your case, you saw that suddenly, wait a minute, my audience is 10% of what it was before.
I didn't say anything or do anything that turned off that audience.
Somebody has turned off or dramatically reduced the spigots.
So, you know, the number of people that are exposed to what I'm saying is a lot smaller than it was.
Well, you only know that if you're paying attention, and you can only detect that if you do detective work.
So, unlike the person on a college campus who gets shouted down, it's visible.
People can see it on video and see that the censorship is going on.
This censorship is worse because it's hidden, it's mysterious, it's hard to detect.
And that's what I think makes these tech companies so, so powerful.
Google has 90% of search in the United States.
Facebook is the dominant social platform.
Twitter is, you know, the dominant in terms of messaging and what they do.
And the simple fact of the matter is, is that they can choose to turn off the spigot anytime.
They do it regularly.
They basically do it to one side.
And you don't really know that it's going on.
It's this hidden shadow censorship that is extremely troubling.
And I think requires that we force these tech companies to make a choice.
They tell us they are neutral platforms and therefore they are regulated as neutral platforms according to the Communications Decency Act, but they're not neutral platforms.
They edit, they censor, they censor one side.
And so I think it's time for Congress to take a fresh look at how Google and Facebook and these platforms are really dealt with by our Congress.
And I think the hearings that were held yesterday with a Google CEO going in there and bobbing and weaving and frankly lying is the first step that we need to take to move in this direction.
So I'm going to take a break here, but I'm going to pose something to you real quick.
I just want to say this and see what you think we come back.
You know, there was a commercial out recently on CNN where they talked about an apple versus a banana.
So this is an apple.
It's not a banana.
Yada, yada, yada.
I think what is happening here with social media and with the media in general is that they're not trying to get you to determine or lie to you, say that this is an apple when it's a banana.
They're trying to get you confused about what's a Fuji apple and a red, delicious apple because you're not an expert on apples.
So they'll tell you that this is a red, delicious apple when it's really a Fuji apple.
The concept of saying that this is a banana, people aren't going to get that.
I don't know if people saw that commercial.
You can look it up on YouTube.
It's really stupid.
But we're going to get your comments on that.
And I'll explain that a little bit more when we come back.
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Now, folks, let's get back to my good buddy Peter Schweitzer.
He is the author of Secret Empires, How American Political Class Hides Corruption and Entrenches Family and Friends.
And he's the president of the Government Accountability Institute and the creator of the documentary, The Creepy Line, which is it just me or is it the executives that work at Google?
I watched, you know, when they had that woe is me, President Trump is one.
I watched that when I think it was leaked on Breitbart.
They're some strange individuals.
And they constantly talk about these values.
What are these values?
Right, right.
Well, and they operate under the assumption that when they use the term values, their values are universal values and everybody shares them.
And if you don't share them, there's something wrong with you.
And I think this is the classic definition of a bubble.
But, you know, this is, I think, you touch on a very important point here.
You know, those videos demonstrate it.
The way that these companies operate demonstrate it.
People who say to me, well, you know, look, Google and Facebook, they would never do anything in this area, you know, political or in terms of censorship that would ever affect their customers because they're businesses and they want to please their customers and they're all about the bottom line.
And look, most companies operate that way, but Google in particular, from the beginning, has always said that that is not their ultimate goal, that they have ultimate goals that involve transforming society.
They talk about the fact that one of their goals, their corporate goals, are to shift values in our country.
And the way that the company is set up, the voting shares are all controlled pretty much by the founders.
So if you buy Google stock, you don't really have a vote in how the company is run.
So it's important for people to know that these companies do have a mission that goes beyond just making money.
And that mission oftentimes deals with their views that there are all these problems with American society.
There's all these problems with Americans.
And it's their job to kind of nudge us or move us or manipulate us to go in the direction that they want us to go.
They don't want to say that explicitly, but when you watch those videos, it's so very apparent that that's the way they view things.
And they say that openly, at least in those meetings.
So people need to recognize these are not companies that we associate oftentimes with just being about the bottom line.
They're about a lot more than that.
So I know you wanted to talk a little bit about the SNAP program.
Unfortunately, we have about 30 seconds on that.
So here's what I'm going to do for you.
If you want me to do this, I'm going to come back and talk about this because I'm reading this and I'm shocked by it.
If you want to stay over, I'll do that.
Sure, that sounds great.
So why don't we just do that?
We're going to take a break here in just a minute.
And we've got about 30 seconds left.
So I'll just put you on hold.
Peter Schweitzer, you want to stay tuned because this is kind of something that's shocking as I was reading about this.
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You just put the name Sean right in my hand.
Sorry, Jonathan.
Yeah, this is Jonathan Gillum filling in for Sean Hannity.
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And you can catch his special tonight, 9 p.m., when he's interviewing the First Lady, the lovely Melania Trump, on Fox News.
Go watch that tonight, and then he'll be back, I guess, tomorrow.
And right now, I held over Peter Schweitzer.
And Peter, you know, you wanted to talk a little bit about the SNAP program, and that's the supplemental nutrition assistance program.
Everybody's probably thinking right now, oh, that's not going to be interesting because we're going to talk about, you know, basically the food program.
But the reality is there's a huge turn here in this.
There is.
And really, I think the reason it's important to talk about this today is on Congress, they're passing the Ag Bill, which is basically a five-year bill.
And you'd think, well, what does the food stamps have to do with the Ag Bill?
Well, it's part of it.
And there really are no meaningful reforms at all to the program.
And here's the bottom line.
When people think about fraud in the food stamp program, they think about the person who's selling their EBT card or who's buying lobster tails or whatever with their EBT card.
The problem is a lot bigger than that because the real problem is that in the EBT economy, these cards that are being passed out, you've now got terrorist groups, you've got criminal gangs like MS-13 that are laundering large amounts of money through EBT cards.
And there's some very basic reforms that could be implemented by Congress, requiring photo IDs, for example, on EBT cards that could deal with this problem.
But they've made no reforms.
And so we are literally, as taxpayers, funding this program, which then is being used by terrorist organizations and is sending money overseas to places like Lebanon and Somalia to fund terrorist organizations.
And Congress thus far is not doing a thing about it.
Now, this is very, you know, when you look in the legal system, when you look at the totality of the circumstances, right?
That's really how you can determine guilt most of the times.
You just look at one thing, it may give a bad picture.
Like we just look at this, we say, we may say, oh, well, you know, that's a mistake.
It's an oversight.
Congress is so busy that they don't see this.
But when we look at the fact, okay, you got this, what you just said.
And then there's, there's, I learned this earlier this year that there are DOD databases, right?
When they go on, they do exploitations on site and they take a guy down, or somebody puts an IED and they go and they follow him, they arrest the whole family or whatever, and they fingerprint these people.
Those fingerprints go into a database, a DOD database, and that database is never shared with the State Department.
So you have people in Djibouti and other places that come through.
They can't come through certain countries like, I don't know, I think Syria has a problem with it.
It's other countries over there in Africa as well.
And Somalia is one.
So they go through other places.
If they even are fingerprinted, it's done with ink and paper.
They come over here.
They're never ran through those databases until like 10 years later when they come up for their final check on their validation of where they've been.
They're gone.
They're nowhere to be found.
And when you look at these databases, there's tons of these people, over 400, that have popped on things that have happened on a target in the Middle East.
Yeah, no, this is a hugely important point you're making here, and it applies in the EBT program.
The biggest problem with EBT fraud and money going to terrorist organizations or criminal gangs in the United States is with EBT vendors.
And vendors are people that can take EBT cards.
And, of course, big companies like Walmart and grocery store chains are EBT vendors, and that's great.
I mean, we want people who have a need for that need to be met.
But here's the problem.
There are lots of vendors, you know, little, small mini-marts, that are actually fronts for these kinds of criminal activities.
And guess what?
To your point, the federal government doesn't even really do criminal background checks on people to become EBT vendors.
I mean, how outrageous is that?
And in fact, there was a case of a guy who did millions of dollars of fraudulent EBT transactions in Alabama, went to jail for three years.
Now, of course, it's a financial crime, so you're going to Club Fed.
You're not going to a hardcore prison.
But he got out, and what did he do?
He moved to Florida, and he became an EBT vendor again and did the same thing.
And there was no criminal background check done, so this guy was able to replicate it and do it again.
These are the kinds of basic reforms that Congress ought to be insisting on.
They're basic common sense reforms.
And right now, Congress is voting on the Ag Bill.
And there's nothing in this bill that addresses any of these basic issues.
So when I'm talking about, and I know you get this, when I'm talking about the totality of the circumstances, I'm looking at what you're talking about.
And you mix that with this database where it's just not being fixed.
It's getting pointed out.
It's not being fixed.
You look at immigration and how Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer wouldn't even talk about it in public yesterday.
They said they kept saying, we want to debate this in private.
When you look at these things, the amount, and here's another one for you.
Locally, people say, oh, these Lucy cigarettes, no big deal.
You know, when people sell these, most of them are counterfeit cigarettes.
A lot of that money goes to fund terrorism.
And when we look at the millions of dollars and when we look at the ease at which this is being done, from an investigative standpoint, Peter, I have to say that the evidence points to people knowing and turning a blind eye to it.
And that makes no sense to me.
No, I agree.
And, you know, this is the classic problem we face.
And I think the reason that you're seeing this populism in the United States, whether it's President Trump or whether it's Bernie Sanders on the left, people realize that our elite institutions are failing us.
And part of the problem is that a lot of these elites, they live in gated communities.
They have personal security.
They're protected.
So they don't have to deal with the ramifications of a lot of these issues.
The ramifications or the consequences of this misconduct are borne by the rest of us who live out in real America, who live in homes, who don't have personal security details.
And that's one of the reasons we have this disconnect.
And I think that's why you're seeing what you're seeing across Europe and in the United States.
The notion that these are pretty simple problems to fix.
I'm not saying that they're going to be a silver bullet that solves EBT fraud for good, but these are basic, simple steps that could be taken.
And they just are not interested in moving in that direction.
And they're not going to unless they realize and understand that the American people want these changes and are prepared to vote accordingly.
Yeah.
Listen, let me ask you real quick before I got to let you go.
Well, first off, let me ask you, what can be done about this?
Let me ask you that first.
Well, we worked with people who deal with EBT fraud in Florida and California, and they said there are a number of things that can be done.
One is criminal background checks for EBT vendors.
Second thing is have photo IDs.
Have an EBT card that has your picture on it.
That way, you can't sell it to somebody else for 50 cents on the dollar, and they can use it for whatever.
Those are two basic reforms that can be done.
The other thing is: let me say this real quick.
Let me say this real quick.
Photo IDs are evil.
Don't you know that?
I mean, they don't want us to be identified when we vote.
They sure as heck don't want you identified when you're trying to get food stamps.
Right, exactly.
Even if it's leading to all this criminal activity, yeah, we don't want to do that.
And that's one of the points I think where you'd have the vast majority of the American people would support it.
And yet, they simply don't want to do it.
Yeah.
No, here's the other thing I want to ask you: is when are you going to write the follow-up to Clinton Cash?
And we need you to do research and do a book on or a documentary because your documentaries are just as great on the senior executive service.
I really believe that 7,000 people belong to that, and I believe that is where we find these people that are entrenched.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, no, listen, I think that is an area, the so-called deep state that needs to be investigated.
I cannot go into detail now.
Sean knows a little bit about it, but we have a major active investigation that's going on now.
I can't go into details about it.
We've been on it for three months, and we're probably going to be finishing it up late summer next year, but it's going to be a major, major story that I think is going to surprise a lot of people.
You ever need me for anything you call because I believe 100% in what you're doing.
I mean, there's, you know, there's a couple groups out there now that are doing things that we look at these office inspector generals and we look at the DOJ, and literally, you guys are doing more than any of them when it comes to looking into this stuff.
It's shocking.
Well, I appreciate that.
You know, just to sample that, in my book, Secret Empires, we expose the Biden's relationship with the Chinese government and their financial ties.
The New York Times just dropped a couple of hours ago a major story on exactly that subject: to the Biden family getting money from Chinese government-connected corporations while he was vice president.
So, we take pride in the fact that we're ahead of the curve.
We do deep dive research, we don't do quick hits, and so you won't hear from us for some time, but then all of a sudden we'll pop up and we'll have something major for people to see.
I'm okay with that.
You just keep doing what you're doing.
Thank you very much, Peter.
We really do appreciate it.
Peter is president of the Government Accountability Institute.
And go look him up.
Peter, where can they find you at?
They can go to cronyism.com or cronyism.org, and that's our website.
You got it.
Thank you, brother.
Thank you very much for all that you do for this country.
This is Jonathan Gillum filling in for my good buddy Sean Hannity.
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And I got to tell you, I drink coffee.
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You know folks, I gotta tell you it's been a.
This has been a great show it.
It's amazing how much information is out there when you get together experts uh in certain fields, how much you can really see through the nonsense that is put out there in media.
And uh, my good buddies uh that were out that that came on earlier to talk about Sean Gallagher.
I really think that everybody needs to start putting some weight on the JAG core out there in San Diego and and I just have to throw this out there, I don't want to disparage anybody that's in a chain of command in the in the Naval Special Warfare, but I will question, Naval Special Warfare Group two commodore and the command master chief, where are you?
Why isn't Eddie going and getting his medical treatment done?
Why is it that he's being held in pre-trial when he has no imminent threat?
There's, no, there's been no proof that Eddie has any imminent threat to the public at large.
Why is he being held?
Uh, and why was he arrested on september 11th?
But anyway it's, it's beyond me and I think people need to start looking at that.
I call upon all frogmen, present and past, to stand up for uh, your brother Eddie Gallagher, because here's the deal folks, here's the deal, men.
Uh, it may be you next time, it may be you, and i've seen a bad day in the teams or a bad day in the military, and it goes from zero to a thousand real fast, and mostly because people are trying to protect their careers or their.
Their egos are in the way, and I do believe that the prosecution in this case, that that is what's happening.
I think that it is just uh beyond.
It's beyond the justice system and what it was created for, and it infuriates me and i'll do everything I can to help clear Eddie's name.
Now I want to talk to you real quick uh, before we go uh, for the end of the show.
You know my book Sheep No More that Dorothy was getting on to me about talking about too much.
Um, I wrote that book over a 10-year period.
You know I kept notes about all the things that I was seeing.
I saw that law enforcement gets this And the military gets that when they understand certain aspects of how attackers think.
I saw that the general public has a huge disconnect between law enforcement and their protection.
People have just gotten to a point where, especially in the big cities, they just assume that law enforcement is going to take care of them.
And that's not the case.
And so when I wrote this book, what I did was I created a manual for you so that you can divide your life up into sectors.
I explain how attackers think and how they plan.
I show you how to divide your life into sectors and how to look at every sector from the attacker's point of view, looking at your vulnerabilities, your critical areas, your critical times, the avenues of approach that an attacker may take so that you can then build better defenses and understand the real defense mindset.
And so I want to announce to y'all, because this is what's going to happen.
The book has been on sale for a year.
It's been a bestseller for a year.
I'm a first-time author.
That never happens.
And why is that?
Because there's a need for it and people want it.
And secondly, I am coming out with workbooks.
There's going to be the target assessment workbook, which is basically showing you how to divide your life up.
And then you're going to take Sheep No More, the original book and the knowledge you gain in there, and then you're going to apply it to this workbook, the threat assessment workbook.
And then what you'll do is the second workbook will show you how to assess your defenses.
You take all the information that you put in the threat assessment workbook and you will put that into the defense assessment workbook.
And I can guarantee you, if you're a principal, if you're a mayor, if you're the president, or if you're just a parent, this is going to change your life and the way that you see and protect yourself.
This is Jonathan the Gillum.
That's Sheep No More, the Art of Awareness and Attack Survival.
Yeah, it's a plug, but I'm telling you something.
What I'm putting out there will change your life.
Go get it.
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