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A lot of news to get to today.
39 days till the midterm elections.
The Republicans in the Senate have a 5149 majority.
Why have I been saying now for months, long before a lot of you were paying any attention to the midterm elections, that this is the most important midterm election in our lifetime.
You know, there's only been three times in the last hundred years where after the party that wins the White House gets to win seats in the House and said doesn't lose a whole bunch of seats.
It's called the political ebb and flow and cycle of politics.
And the last time it happened was in 2010, and that's when, right after 9-11.
Oh, I'm sorry.
That was 2012, rather.
Wait, 2001, I'm sorry, 2003.
After George Bush.
That was George Bush was the last his first term, the first midterm afterwards.
I apologize.
I'm reading 10 things and watching four television sets and have five computers in front of me, and I'm a little ADD as I get started because news is breaking.
It just doesn't happen.
It's a hard thing to do.
Well, I've been telling you this long period of time for a reason.
There's a lot at stake.
There's nothing that I'm telling you about this election that is not true.
The Democrats have said it.
They want to impeach the president.
Chuck Schumer can't do it soon enough.
That's what they want.
They want to undo the vote of 2016.
They want to redo.
And basically, that's what 2018 is turning out to be.
And if Republicans lose control of the House, the Democrats under pressure from their base, Maxime Waters, who even admitted, dare they keep telling me not to say it.
Well, do it, we'll do it, but don't say it.
What else do they want?
Well, we've had people like Elizabeth Warren, Nancy Pelosi all saying they want their crumbs back.
President gives the biggest tax cut in history.
Average American families for the first time in what, 20 years, see real money in their pocket.
Real increase in their salary and their spending money.
And they still want the crumbs back.
We know they want, they're not thinking about security and securing the borders.
They don't pay attention to the opioid crisis and the drugs crossing our borders.
They care about votes.
They want open borders and they don't even they want to eliminate ice.
They want America to be a sanctuary country.
Like California is a sanctuary state.
Like we have sanctuary cities.
They want to keep Obamacare.
They're not open to creative solutions like Dr. Josh Umber and Atlas MD and healthcare savings accounts and ways that you can protect pre-existing conditions and ensure every American and even offer concierge care for every American.
For crying out loud like Dr. Umber does the 50 bucks a month.
This is all in play in 39 days.
Now, why have I been talking about it so long?
Because it's my job to tell you and prepare you for what's coming up next.
And I've got to tell you something.
What happened today does not surprise me.
That's why in states like Florida.
You've got your current governor Rick Scott going up against Bill Nelson.
That race matters.
Heidi Heikamp, you know, has now joined Jeff Snowflake and Lisa Murkowski and Joe Manchin of West Virginia.
And I'm going to get into this.
Let's delay this.
Let's give in to the Democrats' delay for another week of FBI investigations.
And I'm going to tell you why this is really happening in just a second.
But these races matter.
Joe Donnelly is a no on Brett Kavanaugh.
Why in Indiana?
Claire McCaskill is a no on Judge Kavanaugh in Missouri.
These are states that voted for Trump in North Dakota, in Indiana, in Missouri, in West Virginia, in Florida.
These are winnable states.
We have the best economic progress this country has seen in two decades.
We have more jobs created in the last two years than at a record pace.
Four million Americans have back to work.
Four fewer, four million fewer Americans on food stamps.
I am just, you know, it is.
It is why it is so frustrating.
We came one vote shy of a complete repeal of Obamacare.
Senator McCain was the deciding vote there.
After promising the people of Arizona, by the way, I hope Martha McSally, I hope the people of Arizona are paying attention to her campaign.
She's an American hero.
And I hope she gets elected.
So anyway, so they what happened today is the Senate Judiciary Committee, they did vote to advance Brett Kavanaugh's Supreme Court nomination to the full Senate, but not after a lot of theatrics and drama by Jeff Snowflake.
And then apparently that he then now joined by Lisa Murkowski, and he now joined, she now joined by Joe Manchin, and you know, now it goes on.
They want to one week of delay.
We don't want, we're going to advance it to the Senate, the full Senate, but we want to see what happens.
So I guess at this point, unless other people come out, then it's going to be another week.
And what they're asking for is that the Senate have an FBI investigation.
Now, let me go through in detail why this is absolutely a bogus move on their part.
It's just important facts matter in particular cases here.
Now you've got to remember if you review the charges of Professor Ford, her allegations were made back in July.
Now we need one more week.
Why?
So another 15 people can be brought up by Democratic operatives.
Is Senator Feinstein getting attorneys for somebody else than not telling us about it?
The way when she met with Judge Kavanaugh, she had privately been offering help to get a radical attorney, who, by the way, didn't believe Paula Jones would think Paula Jones having Bill Clinton exposing himself to her and saying, kiss it.
She didn't think that was a big deal.
But she did support Al Franken.
And now in this particular case, Diane Feinstein recommends we find out they don't tell Judge Kavanaugh that this is all going on as the meeting in private, or they have the hearing.
So they literally hold it from July.
In the case of Professor Ford, I've said from the beginning she deserved to be heard because these allegations are so serious.
She's been heard.
And she doesn't remember a date.
She doesn't remember a day of the week.
She doesn't remember a location.
She doesn't remember how she got to or from a party, where the alleged crime took place.
She did mention four witnesses that were there, one in particular, Mark Judge that was actually in the room.
And all four witnesses now have the Senate, when they found out the names of people, they went and they did their due diligence.
They did an investigation, and all four witnesses that Ford listed have given sworn statements under the penalty of felony.
Let me repeat, all witnesses from 36 years ago have given sworn statements under the penalty of a felony to the entire Senate Judiciary Committee.
That includes Professor Ford's friend, a woman named Leyland Kaiser.
And she doesn't have any recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where Brett Kavanaugh was present.
Mark Judge has said repeatedly, he doesn't know.
Now, the problem as we go forward here is they keep saying about the FBI, the FBI, the FBI.
The problem with that argument is, all right, so the FBI now is going to spend a week doing what?
We don't know what House to go look at.
You know, I do watch forensic files.
I think it's an amazing show in the sense that, you know, you can go back and they have the FBI old cold case files that they have, and they reopen them sometimes 25, 30 years later, and they're able to pull out evidence and with new technology and DNA and everything else that they've able to now use the tools of forensics.
It's amazing what they can do.
But we don't know where they could go.
So the only thing that the FBI is going to be able to do is interview all the witnesses that are for ready gone on record and given statements under the threat of a felony.
And the only hope, I guess, is that one of them will admit they committed a felony then and change their opinion.
No, no, no, I didn't mean that.
Or I just remembered differently from 36 years ago.
It just came to me, you know, two days ago.
Um, this is about a delay.
You want to start a pool about how many people maybe the Democrats have sitting in the wings because they've thrown everything else out there.
I mean, we had the allegation of Miss Ramirez, and this was a claim.
Uh Deborah Ramirez is a name, the New Yorker.
I don't think they ever should have published it.
It was pretty flimsy reporting, and that Kavanaugh exposed himself as a freshman at Yale, and but she did say in the article that she was quickly inebriated at the party.
At different points, she wasn't even sure Kavanaugh was the perpetrator.
She said she was foggy, slurring her words, acknowledged she had significant memory gaps from the evening, and the New York Times had interviewed several dozen.
That means at least 36, 48 people.
In the course of a week, in an attempt to corroborate Miss Ramirez's story, they couldn't find one person with firsthand knowledge.
And Miss Ramirez herself contacted former Yale classmates, the New York Times reported, and was asking them if they could recall the incident, telling some of them she couldn't be certain it's Mr. Kavanaugh, the one who exposed himself.
And he is and his family had to live through and endure that.
And then endure that he was on a boat in Rhode Island, and then endure an incident in Colorado, which were all debunked very quickly.
And then endure the outrageous charges of Julie Swetnick, whose ex-boyfriend says what she's saying is not true at all.
And claiming that four decades ago that when they were in high school, and well, she was in college, but when Brett Kavanaugh was in high school, they had she attended 10 parties, and they had these gang train rape parties, and that girls were being drugged and toxic, forced to be intoxicated, and boys lining the hall waiting their turn.
And nobody had ever said a thing there.
I don't know if the FBI is going to investigate that too.
And although, you know, Jeff Snowflake says, well, it's going to be, we'll see.
You know, it's only going to be limited in scope.
We'll see how limited in scope it ends up being.
Thank you.
That's why This election is important.
They have done everything they can do to undo what you, the American people want.
Everything lying about a Russian dossier, hookers urinating on a bed and spreading that information to steal an election before the election.
Then spreading that information to cause a special counsel to be appointed.
Not knowing they'd ever be exposed thanks to the show and many people that we have on this show.
I'm going to get into all this.
This is the end of due process in America.
I'm telling you right now, it's going to be going forward guilt by accusation.
Because that's all we've got.
It's never going to go back to presumption of innocence anymore.
Because you reward this behavior, these smears, the lying, the slander, the besmirchment, the character assassination, they're going to do it again and again and again.
And if you think the predictable every two, four years, racist, sexist, homophobia, xenophobic, islamophobic, dirty air, water killed children, and throw granny over the cliff.
You think that's bad?
What you've watched and witnessed in the last 12, 13 days is just the tip of the iceberg.
It'll get more outrageous.
And more innocent people's lives will be ruined.
You think all those allegations that have come out against Judge Kavanaugh true?
Thirty-nine days they're hoping you stay home.
You're going to stay home?
You'll get the government you deserve.
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So the FBI, and I'll play it again in the next half hour.
The FBI doesn't make conclusions, they don't make recommendations, and an FBI investigation.
What are they going to investigate?
They're gonna go back and they're going to do what has already been done by the Senate committee.
And that is that they're going to talk to the four witnesses that Professor Ford listed to corroborate her claims and what she was alleging.
They all made sworn statements under the penalty of perjury.
I'm sorry, felony, rather.
That includes everybody there, including an eyewitness that was in the room, Mark Judge.
You know, if you review everything she claims from 36 years ago, there is nothing new unless somebody wants to admit that they committed a felony.
That is the only way possible that something can change with the one-week pause.
And that is what is infuriating to me.
And everybody knows it.
And if this all stands and the Democrats do what I suspect, you're going to be hearing a lot more next week.
Just put your money down on it.
Then they get to now make more accusations.
We need more weeks.
And then it's all guilt by accusation.
No presumption of innocence or due process.
It's dead.
I uh have been speaking with a number of people on the other side.
We've had conversations ongoing for a while with regard to making sure that we do due diligence here.
And I think it would be uh uh proper to delay the floor vote uh for up to but not more than one week, uh, in order to let the FBI um continue uh to do an investigation limited in time and scope uh to the current allegations that are there and uh limited in time to no more than one week.
And I I will vote to advance the bill uh to the floor uh with that understanding.
And I I've spoken to a few other members uh um who uh on my side of the aisle that may be supportive as well.
But that's my position.
I I think that uh that we we ought to do what we can to make sure that uh that we do all due diligence with a nomination this important.
And I want to say that this committee has acted properly, and uh the chairman has been over backwards uh to do investigations from this committee and to delay this vote in this committee for a week so that judge or that uh that Ms. Ford, Dr. Ford could be heard, and she was yesterday.
Uh so uh so that's with that agreement.
Uh I will vote to advance the bill to the floor.
I I don't know if this is going to continue onward or are we gonna get a vote?
But uh again, I'm I'm here, so I'm not out there watching because I can't be out of great respect, although maybe we'll go watch together.
Okay, we'll watch together.
But I think uh it will work out very well for the country.
I just want it to work out well for the country.
If that happens, I'm happy.
Have you thought it all about a replacement for Judge Cavanaugh?
Not even a little bit, not even a little bit.
What's your message for Kowski and Collins?
I have no message.
I mean, they have to do what they think is right.
It is no message whatsoever.
They have to do what they think is right, they have to be comfortable with themselves, and I'm sure that's what they are.
Would you be willing to be open to background investigation in the Kavanaugh?
I'm gonna rely on uh all of the people, including Senator Grassley, who's doing a very good job.
Uh that'll be a decision that they're going to make, and I suspect uh they'll be making some decision soon whether to take a vote or to do whatever else they want to do.
I will be totally reliant on what Senator Grassley and the group decides to do.
We're gonna talk about Venezuela.
I was waiting for that question.
Uh, we will be discussing Venezuela among many other things.
All right, that was the president responding to events from earlier today, Jeff uh Flake out of nowhere after saying that he would support, and they did advance in the Senate Judiciary Committee along a party line vote uh to send the nomination of Judge Kavanaugh to the full Senate.
But as you heard Jeff Flake has said, Well, I'm doing it, but I want this, and that's not how it works.
It's gonna be Mitch McConnell who ultimately decides whether or not there's going to be a one-week FBI investigation.
But I I just want to step back from the process here and just remind you.
The reviewing the charges of Professor Ford.
She made in July, of course, early July, and then later July to Diane Feinstein, dating back 36 years.
And I've said, and everybody else I think is has wanted Professor Ford to be heard because the allegations are so serious, and she was.
And we heard from Judge Kavanaugh also yesterday.
In the case of just to recap that there are a lot of issues as it relates to, well, she Professor Ford didn't remember where the incident happened.
We know that.
She didn't remember a date, a day of the week, a location, how she got to or from the party.
Um that had take where the alleged crime had taken place.
She had mentioned four names, all four witnesses listed that were to corroborate her claims, deny what she was alleging from 36 years ago.
All four people in sworn statements under the penalty of felony.
Under the penalty of felony, uh have put their statements down.
Mark Judge is in the room and has no recollection of any such thing like this ever happening.
And one of Professor Ford's best friends has said, simply put, Leland Kaiser, a lawyer put out a statement.
She does not know Mr. Kavanaugh has no recollection of ever being at a party or at a gathering where he was present.
With or without Dr. Ford.
So now we have joining Jeff Flake.
Then we have Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Joe Manchin of West Virginia.
Joe Manchin has a big uh Heidi Height Camp, I think, is also undecided in this.
Joe Donnelly is a no against Kavanaugh in Indiana.
We have an election in 39 days.
And as I have been pointing out here, where is the evidence in this case?
And the as why look, this was the big talking point in the hearings yesterday.
Demand an FBI investigation.
Demand an FBI investigation.
We heard the same talking points all morning long as they they move the vote to 130 Eastern today.
Demand an FBI investigation.
Well, an FBI investigation doesn't make any conclusion whatsoever.
Offers no recommendations whatsoever.
The FBI has already said there's no crime in this particular case.
They have they have no jurisdiction of any criminal investigation or activity in this case at all.
The only thing once, because remember, this was withheld since July by the Democrats who were playing politics.
This is exactly what they're hoping.
They can stretch this out, somehow get over the finish line of election day, and somehow then stop the president's nominee.
That's all this has ever been about for the Democrats.
And you would think, after all the years being in the Senate, people like Jeff Snowflake, who just hates the president.
I'm not questioning his motivation, but I mean it's just back and forth and back and forth.
I I think the resentment is real and the hatred is real towards Donald Trump.
Lisa Murkowski.
Anyway, but the FBI investigation makes no conclusions or recommendations.
So what does that mean?
The only thing that they can do is go back to the four witnesses that Professor Ford mentioned that have all given sworn statements under the threat of felony.
And in that sense, now we're back to where we have been in the very beginning.
Now they say that it's going to be limited in scope.
Do any of you believe that?
I do not believe this is going to be limited in scope.
I think the probability that some bomb is gonna drop today, tomorrow, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, whatever, is very high because we've seen how far they'll go in this process.
Talking about a case in Rhode Island.
Oh, Newport.
Well, Judge Kavanaugh's never been to Newport in his life.
Whoops, let's get rid of that one.
Then a case in Colorado.
Whoops, that didn't work out either.
An anonymous source writing Senator Corey Gardner's office.
You don't think there's a ton, if this is so politically charged, the environment in the country that there are people writing stories right now to their senators.
I need this investigated about Judge Kavanaugh.
You know, then the New Yorker came out with the case of Deborah Ramirez.
And she alleged that Kavanaugh exposed himself at a drunken college party when he was a freshman at Yale.
Then in her piece, she admitted she wasn't totally sure she was that he was the perpetrator.
And it took six days to make that confirmation in her own mind, and she was quickly inebriated at the party.
Those are her words, not mine.
She tells the New Yorker she was foggy and slurring her words, acknowledging she has significant memory gaps from the evening.
The New York Times interviewed several dozen people.
That's what, 50 people?
36 people over the past week in an attempt to corroborate Miss Ramirez's story, they couldn't find any one person with firsthand knowledge, and we do know the New York Times hates Donald Trump.
Ms. Ramirez herself was contacting former Yale classmates asking if they recalled the incident, telling some of them, according to the New York Times, that she could not be certain Mr. Kavanaugh was the one who exposed himself.
And of course, then we got I think one of the worst ones of all.
And this was the case of Julie Swetnick being represented by the attorney of the year.
Loved by the mainstream media, Michael Avenatti, Stormy Daniels lawyer.
Anyway, it turns out that in that particular case, those allegations were so over the top.
In that case, she Was alleging that over a two-year period, there were almost weekly weekend parties.
She went to 10 of them.
And that at these parties, that boys in high school, she was in college, would be drugging girls, incapacitating them, getting them so inebriated that they couldn't function, and that they were go they were being gang raped and train raped on a regular basis, describing boys lined up waiting their turn to rape girls that had been drugged.
Now, if that had happened, it's a fair question.
Why would any smart person ever go back to any party like that over 10 parties over a two-year period where it was routine that gang rapes were taking place?
And not one person ever told a teacher, never told the parent, never went to the police, and it just continued to happen over long periods of time.
And that the defense, then eventually you, she claimed she got gang raped.
But not she didn't say Kavanaugh did that.
But that was that story seems to have died down now, too, for some reason.
Why do I suspect it's going to be resurrected in the days to come?
As this, there's nothing new that they can find.
They have no location.
They can't go back and bring in the greatest forensic experts.
There wouldn't be any because we don't know where it happened.
So what are their options?
What does the FBI have as options to again interview the four people that were already interviewed by the Senate investigatory committee?
Now the AP is now reporting that Kavanaugh friend Mark Judge says he will gladly cooperate with any law enforcement agency that investigates confidentially.
We have Republican Senator Corner now saying that the Senate will have a vote to consider the motion to proceed with the Supreme Court nomination on Saturday.
So we'll find out what that's all about.
There's deeper principles in play here that we have got to pay very close attention to.
Well beyond, you know, we cannot have guilt by accusation in this country.
There are very profound principles at stake here.
I have talked about the predictable strategies that Democrats use every two and four years.
Smears, lies, slander.
They bludgeon Republicans as racist, sexist, Islamophobic, homophobic, misogynistic, xenophobic.
They don't agree with their environmental policy, so they want dirty air and water.
They want children to die.
And they want to throw granny over the cliff.
Hannity, you're repeating yourself again.
Because it's wrong.
It is a predictable strategy.
As a matter of fact, it's their go-to strategy.
Every two and four years.
Slander is what they do.
The Democratic Party is now the party of slander, character assassination, and smears, and besmirchment.
And they don't give a rip as long as they win elections.
Oh, Mitt Romney doesn't like women.
He has their resumes and binders.
Oh, Mitt Romney didn't pay for taxes for 10 years, and then you find out after the election he actually did.
Oh, good, we won.
Who cares?
We've watched so many instances and cases.
The same thing.
Robert Bork, Clarence Thomas.
Where is the presumption of innocence here?
Where is due process in all of this?
Where is a constitutional system of law and order in this?
In any of this.
How about all the other cases where the media has been wrong?
They hate Sean Hannity, but Sean Hannity was right about Richard Jewell.
I didn't rush to judgment and think, oh, he fit the profile of the lone bomber.
I was right about Duke Lacrosse when so many others were dead wrong, and I went and actually did my reporting and met the families and firsthand and asked questions.
They were wrong on Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman.
Obama was wrong.
I actually took my time, did my own reporting, went down and talked to George Zimmerman.
How many other reporters do this?
Just like we went, we actually talked to WikiLeaks, Julian Assange.
We try to do our own reporting on the show.
Well, what about Ferguson, Missouri?
Darren Wilson.
Guilty.
Freddie Gray murdered by cops in Baltimore.
And everybody in the meantime, then those are only high profile cases.
And then, of course, the worst of all is the dirty dossier.
Bought and paid for by Hillary.
Donald Trump, you know, rented a room in Moscow and had hookers urinating in the bed.
The filing the bed that Obama's the Obamas slept in.
That's in the dossier.
And that was fed to every American before the election as a lie to help Hillary.
and after the election to destroy Trump.
Our country is witnessing you're living through the ugliest smear campaign in history.
If we don't get this right, there will be no good people that will ever want to serve their country for decades to come.
So Democrats are now the party of no due process, no presumption of innocence, no constitution.
What name one Democrat that is given the presumption of innocence here?
Because it's politics.
You talked about drinking and sexual exploits, did you not?
Senator, let me uh let me take a step back and explain uh high school.
Uh I was number one in the class.
Freshman.
No, no, no, no, no.
I thought only the Senate.
You got this up.
I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about my high.
No, no, I'm gonna let him answer.
I'm gonna talk about my high school record if you're gonna sit here and mock me.
We we we were, I think we were all very fair to Dr. Ford.
Shouldn't we be just as fair to Judge Kevin?
As a federal judge, you're aware of the jury instruction, false in universe, false in omnibus.
Are you not?
False in one thing, false in everything.
The core of why we're here today really is credibility.
Judge, do you believe do you believe Anita Hill?
Senator Senator Crabo.
You were both questioned about your record.
The only difference is that you have been accused of sexual assault.
How do you reconcile your statement about a conspiracy against you with the treatment of someone who was before this body not very long ago?
Okay.
Um, and then do you agree that it is possible for men to both be friends with some women and treat other women badly?
Um, sir, you also said uh that this past two weeks uh this past uh two weeks has been a two-week effort, calculated and orchestrated as a political hit.
Are you saying that Dr. Ford's efforts to come forward to prepare for the very difficult testimony she gave today to travel to Washington, D.C. and tell us about her experience, have all been part of an orchestrated political hit.
And are you basically calling her some kind of political operative?
I have found your testimony powerful and credible, and I believe you.
You're a teacher, correct?
Correct.
Well, you have given America an amazing teaching moment, and you may have other moments in the classroom, but you have inspired and you have enlightened America.
My colleagues who have thanked you for coming forward today, and I, And we all admire you for what you're doing, and I understand why you have come forward.
You wanted us and the American people to know what you knew about the character, the character of the man we are considering for a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court.
Um, I want to use a different word for your courage.
Um, because this is more as much as this hearing is about uh a Supreme Court justice.
The reality is by you coming forward, your courage, you are affecting the culture of our country.
Dr. Ford, I want to begin by thanking you for coming to testify in front of us today.
This is a public service, and I want you to know that I'm grateful to have the opportunity to hear from you directly today.
There are millions of victims and survivors out there who've been inspired by your courage.
I am.
Bravery is contagious.
Indeed, that's the driving force behind the Me Too movement.
And you sharing your story is going to have a lasting positive impact on so many survivors in our country.
We owe you a debt of gratitude for that, Doctor.
As difficult as this experience must be, I want you to...
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Now at the bottom of this half hour before we got into all the flake trauma from earlier today, and him calling and agreeing with the Democrats for an FBI one week limited investigation.
And uh how many more accusations are going to be made in a week.
Anybody want to start a pool on you know how many Michael Avenatti himself can make in a week.
Anyway, so uh joining us now, we to get into all this, Kaylee McEnany is with us, the author of the new American Revolution, the making of a populist movement.
DC McAllister is with us, author of Spygate, columnist for PJ Media.
Uh and also, by the way, uh DC went to UNC with Dr. Ford uh and has talked publicly how she herself has been a victim of rape.
Uh David Schoen is a civil liberties attorney, criminal rights attorney.
Uh DC, let me begin with you.
We watched this.
Now we do know that all four witnesses that Professor Ford had mentioned have all given sworn statements under the threat of felony.
And yet that doesn't seem to want to stop the Democrats from having yet another investigation, even though Joe Biden says that it would be non conclusive, and of course, uh they make no recommendations at the end of it.
To me, it just seems like that just opens up another week for more crazy allegations to keep coming out.
What do you think?
Uh this is a delay tactic.
They didn't even say when this week begins.
And there's a little technicality that I wonder about when it's when this is actually going to start and how long it's going to take as far as that kind of delay goes.
But they've already decided that Kavanaugh is guilty.
That's one of the things that really bothers me about this whole situation is the presumption of guilt with this man.
When these Democrats look at this woman and say, I believe you because you're emotional in this hearing, you know, I want to say, you know, what's happened to our country.
And it's you cannot measure truth by someone's emotion.
And you know, she isn't corroborated.
And if you do want to bring emotions into it and have it as a factor, actually, as a rape survivor myself, I wasn't convinced by her emotion.
She didn't respond and didn't act to me like someone who had been sexually assaulted and was just now bringing it up in the face of the man who did it.
But is it like someone who she acted like someone who was very nervous, but not you know filled with anger that you usually feel when this kind of thing happens to you.
I uh look, I obviously I've never been through something as traumatic and horrible as that.
I know that, for example, if somebody dies, you know, you look in one corner of the room and people are laughing, another corner of the room, people are crying, and and then people are moating back and forth at different times.
I mean, I don't know if there is one way that somebody's gonna react to something like this.
I I I did feel with with with Judge Kavanaugh, I mean, the outrage of being wrongly accused seemed natural to me, although the Democrat, you know, the commentators are trying to portray that as he's unhinged.
I'm like, uh, you haven't been accused of gang rape.
You haven't been accused of horrific things against women, and if you are innocent, I remember Trey Gowdy once famously said, you know, act like you're innocent.
Well, that's how I would act if I was innocent.
I'd want to shout her from the root rooftops.
But I I you know, I can't put myself in anybody's shoes.
It's just I know the horror the to me that's evil.
What we're describing is people that do that are evil.
Um, let me bring in uh uh Kaylee McEnaney is with us.
Uh Kaylee, what are your thoughts on all of the uh comings and goings today?
Yeah, it's uh really Interesting because as the Justice Kavanaugh so accurately said, advice and consent has now been turned to search and destroy.
And if this does not move forward, if we do not have a vote, if Judge Kavanaugh is not confirmed, the Democrats have won their political manipulation, their search and destroy tactics, and it is horrific, Sean.
Horrific, that now the standard that is set, that someone can come forward with not just uncorroborated stories, not just no evidence, but refuted stories.
In this case, every person who was apparently a witness denies it, but refuted stories can take down a judicial nominee.
That's very scary.
I do not doubt that something happened to Miss Ford, but it was not Brett Kavanaugh, and to see him go down for something he did not do, it is a travesty, and it is a bad standard descent in this country.
What is your take, David Schoen?
I know you've you've worked on a lot of cases in your life, and you know a lot about human nature and people, and to me, just from a legal standpoint, if the FBI is not gonna give a recommendation or offer a conclusion, and the four people that were offered as having been witnesses to the alleged incident have all given sworn statements under the threat of felony, you know, and we don't even know the location of where this occurred.
It's not like we can go back and say, okay, well, we have new forensic techniques, maybe we can find some evidence of this or that.
I mean, and I'm not being flippant here.
It seems what what could what could possibly change?
I don't know what could unless somebody says I lied uh and I committed a felony.
Yeah, the idea that the FBI investigation is some kind of panacea here is an absolute red herring.
Um I don't know where Professor Dersowitz is coming from on that or any of these folks.
Everybody knows, as the judge says, doesn't come to any conclusion.
But beyond that, there's nothing more they could do.
This is just a matter of providing cover to Senator Flake and others.
Listen, the first case I ever had in practice was a false accusation of rape against a client.
To see that client changed when he finally was acquitted from the accusation until the acquittal is just phenomenal.
I I'm a little more cynical than DC, frankly.
Um, I'm concerned that people have already come to the conclusion of guilt beforehand, but I don't really think they care.
I think that whether he's guilty or not guilty is just about irrelevant to many members of the committee, it's a talking point, it's an agenda, it suits their agenda.
There's no fair person that could see that yesterday and come to the conclusion that he or she knows what happened on that day in that place, if anything.
Um absolutely not.
And if that's the case, and your decision turns on whether you believe Judge Kavanaugh did this or didn't do it, you have to vote to confirm.
It's the president's prerogative to appoint this person.
If that's what your decision is turning on, no one can say based on what I saw yesterday, I know that he's a uh sexual assaulter or something like that.
Well, let me let me go back to to DC McAllister, and um there's a lot of things while I watched very, very closely yesterday.
I really did.
I watched, I wanted to pay attention and listen to everybody in all of this.
And when you have a case where allegations are made, and this was not the only allegation that was made.
I mean, you have the the second case against that was written about in the New Yorker against in this case Judge Kavanaugh again, and and you break down that case and you look at what we have, and even the New York Times concluded they couldn't report on it, and that Miss Ramirez in that particular case had contradicted herself uh and contacted Yale classmates asking if they recalled the incident and telling them that she couldn't be certain Mr. Kavanaugh was the one that exposed himself,
and she became quote quickly inebriated at the party.
She told the New Yorker she was foggy, slurring her words, she had significant memory gaps from the evening, etc.
And then if you go to the the Avenati case, this case of Julie Switnik, um, and you watch that particular case, she's literally saying that she went to at least 10 parties, but it happened almost every weekend, when over a period of years, and that all of these boys were responsible for drugging and getting these girls totally inebriated and knocked out,
and then boys would line the hall waiting their turn to gang rape, trail rape women, as if we never would have heard of that in 36 years before.
And she went back to those parties.
That did not seem plausible to me.
Well, no, an accusation isn't evidence, and that's all we have here.
There is no credible evidence against Brett Kavanaugh.
And they're still believing that the this woman just because she's made an accusation.
This is the real problem that we have.
When we have someone come up with an accusation, we have to believe the innocent until the person accusing proves their guilt.
It cannot be the other way around.
We have to we have to say I believe Brett Kavanaugh because it has to be proven that he actually did it.
And if we go down this path in our nation, we really have lost our principles of liberty.
We've lost our freedom.
And it's being targeted targeted against men right now.
Men are the ones who are the target of feminism, of statism, of the of the culture right now.
And if you don't see that as the broad problem in our culture, then I don't know where you've been.
And this is just on display in this whole thing.
It's about abortion, it's about the Supreme Court, but it's also about civil society and how we're treating one another.
Well, I think this is the thing.
I mean, look, at the end of the day, most Democrats had made up their minds.
They they had no open mind as it relates to Brett Kavanaugh.
And I think a lot of what we have been witnessing was really targeting maybe the the few people that are in the middle that they thought they can sway and they thought they had to go this far over the top.
And you know, and the evidence that this was political from the beginning is none of these people have ever talked about Brett Kavanaugh.
None of these te people uh I'm sorry about Keith Ellison this way.
None of these people have ever, you know, condemn Bill Clinton this way.
Nobody's asking that Juanita Broderick at her FBI investigation and her week of investigation.
And she told me last night many of these people wouldn't even read the report that was written about her.
So it's obviously politics.
All right, we gotta take a break.
We'll come back with our panel.
And as we continue our final moments with David Schoen, DC McAllister, and uh Kaylee McEnaney, and then we're gonna play uh Lindsay Graham's speech today was phenomenal.
I'm gonna play it come when we come back.
You're gonna want to hear this.
I'll give you the final word each, uh 30 seconds each.
David, we'll start with you this time.
Yeah, I think that the agenda um that is removed from whether or not Brett Kavanaugh did this as a parent from things like Diane Feinstein's reaction.
All of a sudden, she was stunned yesterday after his speech.
She must have lost hundreds or thousands of votes.
But today she turns to, well, I'm voting against him because of his temperament.
Uh I don't like the way he handled things.
The man finally came alive.
This is personal.
This isn't him as a judge.
This is a personal fact on his character and on his family.
He reacted the way he should have reacted.
DC.
This is the politics that have become personal.
And he had every right to respond the way he did.
There was no evidence against him.
She did not prove her case.
And we need to remember that.
This isn't about caring for women or believing women, but if you're gonna accuse someone, you better cough up the evidence.
Otherwise, we're gonna accuse um believe the person who's been accused, because that's the way America is.
This is about proving their innocence now, no presumption of uh innocence anymore.
Kaylee McEnaney.
Yeah, there's no presumption of innocence, and make no mistake, you know, the left they will win at any cost.
They don't care what reputations are destroyed, lives forever changed, or the damage done to the process.
They simply do not care.
They do not care about the merit of these accusations.
If they did, they would have brought them forward in July.
And if they did care about merits of accusations like this, they'd be looking over at Keith Ellison, number two at the DNC, a mountain of evidence against him, two accusers, medical documentation, text messages, but they don't care because this guy has a D behind his name.
He has Democrat demarcation behind his name, so he gets a different standard.
Sad.
All right, thank you uh all for being with us.
Lindsay Graham gave uh a final statement to you.
We gotta hear this in its entirety.
Then uh of course we'll have our news roundup information overload, Eric Bowling among our guests and much much more.
Stay with us on the Sean Hannity Show and your call straight ahead.
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Before all this went down with obviously Snowflake today.
Um Lindsey Graham laid out the case in his statement.
And I I will tell you, I I've had debates with Lindsey Graham over the years.
We've had falling outs over the years.
And um but he had his finest moment, I thought yesterday, and then today he followed it up, and I think this is worth playing.
This is what he said before this mess earlier.
I know I'm a uh single white male from South Carolina, and I've told I should shut up, but I will not shut up if that's okay.
Because I got here the same way everybody else did.
The people in South Carolina voted for me and Senator Scott to be their voice, men and women.
And I'm gonna try to be their voice today.
And uh maybe not just for South Carolina, but a little bit about what I think is going on here.
Joe Biden, I can't believe we're saying this on our side.
Listen to Joe.
But Joe was right a lot.
Joe Biden's a unique guy.
If you had one last conversation before you die, you'd want to have it with Joe.
You'd be around for a while.
He's a decent guy.
If he runs for president, he'd be hard to beat.
He came to Senator Thurman's funeral and gave a long eulogy.
And I asked him, Joe, I said, that was incredible.
This can't help you in Delaware.
I just like the old guy.
I didn't agree with him, and I didn't like some of the things he did in his life, but when I was down and out, he was there for me.
Uh to my colleagues on the other side.
This will end and we'll see what we do next.
I hope we can muster the ability to move forward.
But some observations about where we find ourselves and how we got here.
Uh I wrote a book, and I think Senator Blumenthal is the only person I know that actually read it.
It was online.
I ran for president and I got one percent, so I've had my time to be president.
Didn't go very far, and I lost.
I didn't think Trump would win.
I ran out of adjectives to describe about how felt about his campaign.
Well, he won and I lost, and he's president.
And I'll try to help him where I can and say no when I must, and the election's over for me.
I would like to tell him that you had a choice to make for the Supreme Court vacancy of Justice Kennedy.
I think you did a good job, Mr. President.
For somebody who's supposedly crazy and there's chaos everywhere, he did a good job here.
Now, why difference between Gorsick and Kennedy?
I mean, excuse me, Gorsick and Kavanaugh.
It's the Kennedy seat.
You don't get that, you're not paying much attention.
Gorsick is a even swap for Scalia.
But this is high stake stuff, right?
This is the seat where the guy in the middle is at risk.
Kavanaugh clerk for Justice Kennedy.
Would you have picked him?
No.
But you lost the election.
And that does have consequences.
When I said it about Obama winning, uh, I meant it.
Merrick Garland.
Scalia dies in the election year, the last year of the term of President Obama.
The primaries are already underway.
Not in a hundred years has anybody been nominated under that circumstance.
So I don't think I did anything unfair with Garland.
As to Sodermeyer and Kagan, I was told on our side, you've got to keep them off the court because they're gonna be a pro-choice vote.
They hate guns.
On and on and on.
And I tried to go back to what this committee used to do.
Strom Thurman voted for Ginsburg.
You'll never convince me that it was because he agreed with her philosophy.
I think he saw in her a qualified person.
The same is true.
96 and 97 votes.
What's happened?
Most of the nominees Supreme Court have never had a hearing.
It was always just assumed that they're qualified and they're not hacks that they're gonna go forward.
Elections do matter.
When it comes to President Trump, elections do matter.
Now, about the law, and to my friends who have been prosecutors.
I've been a prosecutor, I've been a defense attorney, and I've been a judge.
Every woman who's been victimized needs to be heard count me in a thousand times over.
Count me in for the proposition for every one woman who comes forward, only God knows how many women and children go to their grave with the abuse.
If you don't realize that, you just don't know this area of life.
But you're going to be heard in the United States.
I had a young man accused of sexual assault when I was in the Air Force as a defense attorney.
The case eventually fell apart and he almost killed himself.
I had women who have been gang raped and didn't want to testify, but they did, along with counselors.
I sat up with them all night.
Tough stuff.
Emotional.
Who to believe?
I've been doing this legal stuff most of my life.
I've never heard a more compelling defense of one's honor and integrity than I did from Brett Kavanaugh.
He looked me in the eye, everybody in the eye, and he was mad and he should have been mad.
He could tell you where he was at and what he was doing during high school in a way that just blew me away.
Bret Kavanaugh and women.
If you're a gang rapist when you're a sophomore and a junior in high school, you don't let it go.
Every woman who actually knows Brett Kavanaugh has come forward to say he is not that kind of guy.
He has been at the highest level of public service under tremendous scrutiny, six FBI investigations, and we miss the sophomore junior gang rapist.
We didn't miss it.
It's much garbage.
We're in the twilight zone, and here's what I would say.
Miss Ford, all I can say about Miss Ford, I feel sorry for her, and I do believe something happened to her, and I don't know when and where, but I don't believe it was Brett Kavanaugh.
And as a prosecutor, you couldn't get out of the batter's box because in America, before you can choose uh accuse somebody of a crime, you have to tell them when it happened and where it happened, and you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt it did happen.
The reason this case will never be brought in Maryland or anywhere else, you just can't get there.
If you wanted to get a warrant, which is a probable cause standard, to search or arrest somebody, you gotta prove by probable cause where it happened and when it happened.
How are you supposed to defend yourself?
Is the burden really on you to prove that you were not at a party 35 years ago and they won't tell you where it was and when it was?
So all I can say is that under any reasonable standard, any concept of the rule of law, this would not go forward.
There have been five allegations here.
The fifth allegation was brought to me by Senator Whitehouse, who did absolutely the right thing.
Somebody contacted him in Rhode Island and said a friend of his was on a boat with Mark Judge and Brad Kavanaugh.
They treated her badly.
He went down and beat them up, and she won't come forward.
I said, Well, I'll make sure I'll join with you.
Let the FBI look at it.
And turned out not to be true.
The fourth allegation was an anonymous allegation, a letter without a date or return address sent to Corey Gardner just a few days ago, and he turned it over to the committee, and somebody on that side leaked it to NBC News, and it made it on the news, the fourth allegation.
That really bothers me.
I don't know what's going on over there, but that's not right.
It was somebody over there.
Now, about Miss Ford.
I feel really bad that she wanted to remain anonymous and could not.
The one thing I know for sure is that Diane Feinstein would not do this and did not do this.
But I know for sure somebody did.
It wasn't Chatter from a friend.
Three groups had this letter that was requested to be anonymous.
Diane Feinstein and her staff, the Congresswoman from California and her staff, and the lawyers.
Somebody betrayed her trust, and if you can't figure out why you shouldn't be driving, to delay this hearing to set in motion the destruction of this man to keep this Seat open past the election.
That I know beyond any doubt.
What else do I know?
I about fell out of my chair when Dr. Ford said yesterday, I didn't know you would be willing to come to me.
The email interactions between this committee and her lawyers, my staff would still welcome the opportunity to speak with Dr. Ford at any time and any place convenient to her.
Come to us or we to you.
I'm willing to have my staff travel to Dr. Ford in California or anywhere else to obtain her testimony, September the 19th.
Well, that wouldn't fit in the plan.
It wouldn't be public and it would get over with sooner than people wanted.
I don't know what to believe, but I tend to believe that Dr. Ford did not know about this invitation.
And I've been a lawyer most of my adult life, and somebody needs to ask the question to her lawyers.
How could she not know about this?
Are you beginning to understand what's been going on for a very long time in this case?
It's not that hard to figure out.
So if this is the new standard, the accusation proves itself to those who want to ask questions.
You hate women, God help us all.
If the new standard for the committee is that there's no presumption of anything, that you have to prove why somebody would accuse you, not just say I didn't do it, and here's why I didn't do it, but you gotta prove the motives of your accuser.
God help us all.
The Avenati moment tells you what's gonna happen if we keep this farce going.
Plenty of time, plenty of opportunities to get to the truth.
This has never been about the truth.
This has been about delay and destruction.
And if we reward this, it is the end of good people wanting to be judges.
It is the end of any concept of the rule of law.
It's the beginning of a process that will tear this country apart.
And if I am chairman next year, if we keep the majority, and Senator Drassley moves over, and I hope he doesn't, because as I think he's done a great job, I'm gonna remember this.
There's the process before Kavanaugh and the process after Kavanaugh.
If you want to vet the nominee, you can.
If you want to delay things for the next election, you will not.
If you try to destroy somebody, you will not get away with it.
Jeff is leaving.
He has wrestled with this.
He is trying to be fair.
I cannot tell you, Jeff, what happened 35 years ago.
I can tell you this that through any legal system, this thing would not get out of the batter's box, and that everything I know about Judge Kavanaugh screams that this didn't happen and all the other things.
So to my good friend, friends on the other side who are struggling, I think an FBI investigation is going to do nothing.
It's not going to tell you any more than we know now.
It's going to just keep it going and going and going until he breaks and he won't until the next five come forward.
I'm going to vote yes.
And I'm going to tell his two daughters that I'm proud of your dad.
And I really, really believe he's a good man.
And I'm going to tell Dr. Ford, I am sorry you had to go through this too.
All right, let's get to our busy uh telephones as we continue.
Eric is in Florida.
Eric Hi, how are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Yeah, got to you.
Yes, sir.
What's going on?
How are you doing?
I'm good.
How are you?
Well, the reason I was calling was I I think there's actually a silver lining to this whole thing, and that is um, they're asking for an FBI investigation.
They're gonna get it.
And uh, you know it's one of these things where I don't think the Democrats were actually anticipating it would ever happen.
And now, as a result of it, what is potentially going to happen is the FBI is going to be turned on to these people.
So when they start investigating these claims of gang rape, they're gonna be looking into people like um Avenadi and how these people potentially may have gotten involved or how people's personal information was leaked from confidential sources in Congress.
Well, I think listen, there's a lot, there's a lot to leak.
Here's the problem, and I I keep saying it, but nobody seems to want to hear it, but it matters.
We already know the FBI does not make recommendations.
We know they don't reach conclusions.
And we also know that the four witnesses in the case of Ms. Ford have already gone on the record.
And as it relates to what they did on the record, they did it under the threat of felony.
So I mean, unless they're willing to take the felony charge, I would assume they're going to stand on their position.
To me, this is a delayed tactic.
And I think all these Rhino Republicans predictably, well, what is it they think they're going to get here?
Except that they get the delay that they want.
And that, you know, I just why I've been saying this is the most important midterm election in our lifetime.
This can all come to an end.
You know, this is this can all stop if you give the president, Congress, and the Senate.
And that's why, you know, this blue wave, if it happens, it's going to be so much worse.
I've got to take a break here.
We'll come back.
We'll have our news roundup information overload.
More with Jonathan Gillum, Danielle McLaughlin, our buddy.
Uh from the Fox News channel, Eric Bowling is uh gonna be with us and much more as we continue.
Coming up next, our final news roundup and information overload hour.
I uh have been speaking with a number of people on the other side.
We've had conversations ongoing for a while uh with regard to um making sure that we do due diligence here.
And I think it would be uh uh proper to delay the floor vote uh for up to but not more than one week, uh, in order to let the FBI um continue uh to do an investigation limited in time and scope uh to the current allegations that are there, and uh limited in time to no more than one week.
And I I will vote to advance the bill uh to the floor uh with that understanding.
And I I've spoken to a few other members uh um who uh on my side of the aisle that may be supportive as well.
But that's my position.
I I think that uh that we we ought to do what we can to make sure that uh that we do all due diligence with a nomination this important, and I want to say that this committee has acted properly, and uh the chairman has been over backwards uh to do investigations from this committee and to delay this vote in this committee for a week so that judge or that uh that Ms. Ford,
Dr. Ford could be heard, and she was yesterday.
Uh so that's with that agreement.
Uh I will vote to advance the bill to the floor.
All right, that of course, uh earlier today, the drama unfolding in the Senate with uh Arizona Senator Jeff Flake, name I guess is appropriate because he had said he was going to vote it out of committee, and then a bunch of Democrats corner him, and then he's like, uh, maybe we're just another week of investigations.
You know what that means another week of uh Michael Lavinati uh gang and trail rape and and boys lined up, I guess stories will be coming out for yet another week.
You know, look at what we went through yesterday.
If that if the testimony of Judge Kavanaugh didn't move you to see that this man is innocent of this, I don't I don't know what will.
You know, if you look at the charges just to re review, you know, in the case of Professor Ford, she made these allegations.
Remember, the Democratic Party knew back in July, and they did nothing.
They've had the opportunity to investigate the whole time.
And Diane Feinstein is meeting with Judge Kavanaugh alone, and little does Judge Kavanaugh know that behind the scenes, while she's not telling him a thing, she's getting a radical left-wing lawyer for forfessor Ford.
A person that didn't support Paula Jones and a person that did support creepy Al Franken.
You know, you look at the charges 36 years ago.
Now Republicans have been more than accommodating, the president more than accommodating.
Uh sh Professor Ford deserved to be heard.
These allegations are serious.
She didn't remember a date or a day of the week or a location or how she got to and from the party when the alleged where the alleged crime took place.
And then we have four witnesses, four of them, and a new statement again today by the person that supposedly was in the room corroborating.
They they they she named These people as people that would corroborate her story, except all four now and sworn statements under penalty of felony, under penalty of felony.
That means it's all been investigated.
Anyway, and that includes Professor Ford's friend named Leland Kaiser.
Her attorney released a statement.
Simply put, Ms. Kaiser does not know Mr. Kavanaugh.
No recollection of ever being at a party or a gathering where he was present with or without Dr. Ford.
Anyway, so this all goes on.
And now we're gonna see what happened.
This was this is this is what the Democrats wanted.
So they got Flake at least for a week, and now the question is well, what is Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski going to do?
I don't know what else we're we're gonna get when the four main people remember the Senate has their own investigative body.
You know, this has been their main argument that the left has been making again and again.
We we need an FBI investigation.
Well, the problem with the FBI investigation, you know, and that was the big talking point, is they don't make conclusions.
And of course, Brett Kavanaugh has already been investigated by the FBI six separate times.
None of these things have ever come up.
And the person that told us that it's it's kind of you don't want to use the FBI as investigation was Joe Biden back in ninety-one.
Here's what he said.
The next person that refers to an FBI report as being worth anything, obviously doesn't understand anything.
FBI explicitly does not in this or any other case reach a conclusion.
Period.
Period.
So, Judge, there's no reason why you should know this.
The reason why we cannot rely on the FBI report, you wouldn't like it if we did, because it is inconclusive.
They say he shed, she said, and they said.
So when people wave an FBI report before you, understand they do not, they do not, they do not reach conclusions.
They do not make, as my friend points out more adequate, they do not make recommendations.
They do not make conclusions.
And the whole thing is everybody's known this now, and what's happened is what I pointed out is forget about due process, forget about presumption of innocence.
Frankly, if this heads in the direction Democrats want, that means you know, smear, slander, character assassination.
It's just going to keep happening to anybody.
Nobody's ever wanna gonna want to go in the public eye.
This guy has had a nearly 40-year career and up to 13 days ago, not a single word against him, less than 13 days ago.
Nothing like this ever coming up.
His entire life, and this is where we now find ourselves.
Anyway, news roundup information overload, Jonathan Gillam, author of Sheep No More, Danielle McGlaughlin, attorney constitutional expert, liberal.
Uh let me ask you this.
You just heard Joe Biden and what he said.
They don't reach conclusions, they don't give recommendations in any way.
Um we already have the four people that Professor Ford had named.
They've all given sworn statements under the threat of felony.
I mean, are we expecting if we don't know where the House is, we can't go back and look for something forensically.
This isn't forensic files, which is a show that I've watched a lot.
So what what new information could we possibly get?
Hey, Sean, hey Jonathan, great to be with you.
This has been a rough week for all of us, I think, regardless of where you sit on the political spectrum.
Um I think the point of the FBI investigation is clearly to gather more facts and to talk to the people who have provided sworn affidavits.
One thing that's really important to note is that the witnesses don't say it never happened, they say they don't remember that it happened.
And those are two very different things, uh, both in a court of law and even in the ship.
Well, slow slow down now.
If they don't remember any such party in any such way at any such time, and they've made that statement, a sworn statement under the threat of felony.
What else can you what give me any possible evidence that anybody else could find?
Well, you know, Dr. Ford indicated.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
What what possible evidence can you find?
Well, you can talk to them.
Maybe you'll be able to do that.
they've already been talked to well they've already given sworn statements under the threat of felony, so if they change their statement, they would be guilty of lying under oath.
Well, this is true.
Look, I actually think this is a win for Republicans, and I'd like to explain why.
You've got a better chance of confirming Brad Kavanaugh if this investigation is allowed to go ahead, because I think there will be new facts uncovered.
I think the American people will be tearing each other apart a little bit less because we will have more to go on instead of just what we believe to be true.
But I'm asking you a very simple question, and you can't answer.
Now that they've given they've all given all witnesses mentioned by Professor Ford have given sworn statements under the threat of felony.
Okay, you can talk to them again, and if they contradict themselves, they've committed a felony.
No, that's not true.
So if I say on Monday that I don't remember, and then I talk to an FBI agent on Wednesday who gives me six other pieces of information, on that day, maybe I do remember, and maybe I can issue a denial.
So I don't think that's a clear instance of of uh you know of perjury.
Um I think that's actually fine.
If they say that it didn't happen, and then six days later they said it did happen, that's that's perjury.
But if you say you don't remember on a given do on a given day, and then six days later you have more information and it lights something up from thirty-six years ago, that's not perjury.
Okay, but all of a sudden you remember after thirty-six years as if the first time they interviewed you and all the days you've been watching all this, you haven't said, uh, oh, I think I'm changing my testimony, but now you're gonna do it.
It would seem at that point that it's political and uh illogical that something new could possibly be found, except that Democrats want more time for more people for more smears, uh, for more Avenati digging, I guess.
Uh d uh Jonathan Gillam.
Well, I you know, I I think the thing that we have to look at and that the American people need to understand is that what is is occurring is not so much of a hearing as it is a trial in the court of public opinion.
And the FBI doesn't investigate for public opinion.
Uh we investigate uh and in the case of of these background checks, we are a collector of information.
And if there is a crime that we find is committed, uh we usually if it was something of the the sexual nature in this case, we hand that over to the locals to investigate it.
The problem that we have in this particular situation is that when we uh look at other um types of cases, whether it be you know the ones that have been recently in the news, Harvey Weinstein, uh Cosby, there's a pattern of events,
there's known meetings that are uh that can be looked at schedules where we know that these things have occurred, uh and there's multiple sources coming forward that are not friends that are from different areas uh that can corroborate stories, as well as uh uh rumors and uh known facts about people that these things have happened.
In this case, none of that can be corroborated.
If I was an investigator, there's nothing here except for more hearsay.
There's no facts that are going to be able to uh to be brought out.
There's no evidence of uh of a crime that may or may not have occurred other than uh what someone said.
And it it's not gonna do any good.
It's just going to further uh the outrage in the court of public opinion, and the only thing that suffers uh when that is the case.
You know, it's it's so unrealistic to think that the Democrats in a week are gonna say when the FBI comes back uh with their the again they're not gonna make a conclusion or a recommendation.
And then they're gonna come back, and then the Democrats are gonna say, Well, now we need to investigate these two other things, and then we'll be done.
And then the delay continues.
Well, you say that.
But but there's nothing every Democrat has already said no except for like three.
As it relates to Kavanaugh, most of them said they will do anything it takes to destroy him.
Well, and on the Republican side, there have been plenty of people, including.
We're not talking about Republicans.
I am I am saying to you that not one Democrat is gonna change their mind based on the FBI report.
They're on record saying no.
They said no Before he they said no, many of them the day he was named.
Right, and some and some Republicans said yes the next day he was named, and as this these information, these allegations came out of the case.
Because they've known him, he serves in the second most important court in the country, and many even back then offered advice and consent when he got confirmed.
So they knew him.
But to say no because it's Donald Trump's pick is a very different your analogy doesn't fit.
Look, there have been on these court nominations for years and years and years.
This is a new law, but I do think that's a good thing.
It's a new low, but you want to continue going lower.
Is that what you're saying?
Let's keep going lower.
Let's go see how low we can hit.
I do think it is better for this country that there is a week given to look into the and and what is the new information you can possibly get.
My point and Jonathan's point is you can't get any new information.
All right, we got to take a break.
Uh but as we continue, Jonathan Gillum and Danielle McLaughlin uh commenting about Jeff Flake and his antics from earlier today.
Uh Jonathan, we'll start with you.
Well, you know, this is one thing that does bother me, uh, Sean is that and nobody's really talking about this yet, is that if this is handed over uh back to the FBI and the disrespect that Flake is the one that's uh saying that that this should occur.
Um we do still have a realistic expectation that the deep state is a part of the FBI.
And at the level that this is at, if it's handed back to the FBI, uh my worry is it actually somebody will create something that's fictitious that is in the FBI.
It's not like they haven't done that in the past three years.
So I also think that that's something that should be considered in the uh what's been presented so far.
There's no uh uh evidence that that can prove anything.
I think there's uh been enough testimony where the uh the judge uh Kavanaugh can be uh confirmed, and if it goes back, there is the chance of that.
I hate to say it, but there's the chance that the deep state could get involved in this.
Well, it's scary.
Last word.
I've got a solution to that.
You know, interview Brett Kavanaugh's college roommate, interview Mark Judge, do some investigation as to when he worked at that supermarket, release all of the 302s, which are the notes of the investigation to the public, none of the stuff is classified, and then we all have the facts in our hands, and hopefully some of this part of the bickering will calm down a little bit.
All right, we'll take a uh break.
Thank you both for being with us.
When we come back, Eric Bowling weighs in on this, and uh, we got to tell you something kind of a big announcement here for the program, and Eric and Linda and uh much more.
Have this poison being dumped in our country and our communities are suffering.
Kids are dropping dead every day of the week.
Parents of good kids are going up to their bedrooms, finding their kids passed out dead.
I mean, this is a crisis that we've never seen before.
So we need a greater sense of urgency.
All right, glad you're with us uh 25 now to the top of the hour, 800 941 Sean.
That is from a brand new documentary.
Uh actually our own Linda had a big part to play in all of this.
Uh Sarah Carter, it's a nonprofit group called Dark Dark Wire, and in this DC on Monday, they are going to do the premiere of this documentary, and at some point we're gonna make it available to all of you as well.
It's extraordinarily well done.
If you're a parent, you need to watch it.
It's called Not in Vain.
It features the stark reality and truth and the dark truth about drugs crossing the open borders and the incredible need for national security at our borders.
Uh joining us now is uh good friend of the program, former uh host of the five on the Fox News Channel.
He's now on CRTV, and uh my friend Eric Bowling is back with us.
Before we get to this, have you been watching this madness and Jeff Flake all day on the Supreme Court?
Sean, I I'm just um I'm you know I I tweeted that uh PT Barnum would be proud of the circus, and then I just said, you know what circus intermission until Tuesday.
It's amazing what we've reduced the the honorable, uh respectable Senate chamber to to this type of uh insanity, but finally they they pushed it through and then we're gonna get the vote on Tuesday, which which we should see.
Uh I I'm not so sure we're gonna see it on Tuesday, though.
I think that I think so.
You know, when he gets if he gets Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, then that's it.
I could see that happening.
And by the way, the thing is is under penalty of a felony.
All of the people, the four eye witnesses in the case of Professor Ford, let me tell you what that gives uh m that gives the Democrats another week of the Michael Avenatis of the world, you know, coming up with more bizarre.
It's clear.
Sean, it's not even it's not even it it's not even the rule of law or evidence in in a court, it's not even the constitution.
It's not even America in the world.
Do you want to you want to live in a a world where a a simple ac i accusation of a thirty five year old thirty five year old foggy recollection can put someone's name, reputation, family, and livelihood at at risk?
It's insanity.
We gotta get back to sanity at some point, and I think hopefully Tuesday that'll happen.
Yeah, hopefully it will.
Um what we witnessed yesterday was beyond a circus.
It was sad.
You s you you watch the destruction of a human being literally in twelve days.
How to destroy a man and his family in twelve days after what was a evidence.
Without there's n zero corroboration.
And then so many of the other stories have been debunked.
It's it's sad that this is what the state of the country Sean, you and I both had Juanita Broderick on our shows.
I had her on C on TV, you had her on handity, and she I I asked her, I had I had the fortune of of having thirty minutes where I had a really long sit down with her, and it I I asked her, can you tell me details of the room?
She described the room.
I said, Do you remember the ride there?
She described the ride there.
I said, What did the hotel lobby look like?
She described in vivid detail everything about that night, that that morning with with Bill Clinton when he raped her.
Now, for me to this is further back then than uh Dr. Ford has to remember, and Dr. Ford doesn't remember a lot of the details.
It tells me something doesn't seem right in that.
And it looks not a little bit more than a little bit.
Juanita Broderick, she had been at a conference, within thirty minutes, the person she was at the conference with saw her in her room with her lip which was bitten, yeah, bloody three times its normal size, and immediately told somebody.
Now she didn't want to go public, she was afraid.
Yeah.
Sean, she was she was also talking about the ride to the to the event to the hotel where the event uh in the area where the event was going to happen, the ride back.
When you look when you listen to Dr. Ford's testimony, she can't remember how she got to the to the party.
She doesn't remember how she got home.
She wasn't sure what day of the week it was.
Vivid detail in Juanita Broderick uh of a rape and and uh alleged sexual misconduct act against um Miss Dr. Ford, very, very few details.
It's look I'm not suggesting she didn't get harassed or molested.
I'm simply suggesting it's not certain that it was Brett Kavanaugh that did it.
Well, wanna switch and I I know it's uh a Friday here and we've been spending almost all week on this and there's a lot of important breaking news, but what we're about to talk about has become uh very near dear and close to my heart in large part because of the tragedy in your life and you being a friend of mine, and that is just a little over a year ago, your son, Chase Bowling, died.
You got a phone call and he had purchased a Xanax, a Zanax is an anti-anxiety pill, and in it it was laced with fentanyl.
And he died that night or that day.
And I want you to talk a about your experience, and then I'm gonna bring Linda on as well and why this and this is a nonprofit, this is a nonprofit documentary, um and it's called Not in Vain.
It premieres in Washington, DC on Monday.
And you always say to me, and you say to anybody you talk to, and I know you're working with the president, you're doing a lot of big things to to make people aware of how dangerous these drugs are, but you always say, Don't think it can't happen to your kids because it can.
And you're I believe you because I've seen it too often now.
And Sean, you were there from from the minute it happened.
I I had a call I got a call from you, I got a call from the president the next day.
And we I was in uh Adrian and I have my wife put in an absolute pale spin, just the call you never expect to get.
Just w it it drops you to a of death that that's indescribable.
Um I told I told the story on the show a couple of times, but she pulled the car over when when we got the call, we heard it and she fell onto the road and I had to pick her up and bring her back on uh onto the side.
We sat there in in in confusion.
Sean, I get a call from you and a call from the president.
So we go f fast forward a little bit and and I spent the bit of part of the last year and a month um talking to people, talking to groups, talk talking to families, talking to his uh CPAC, talking to Turning Points USA, kids and parents about what what you what we need to do.
And kids really need to understand that Eric Chase was a sophomore in college.
He uh like probably millions of other sophomores, or millions of other college kids, bought a Zanax on campus, it wasn't prescriptive, and it was laced with fentanyl.
He passed, and I tell kids nonstop one pill can kill.
If you put a pill in your mouth, just understand it may be the last thing you do.
I tell parents, parents, mom, dead.
Listen, your kid isn't too smart, too academic, too, too too adorable, too athletic, too white, too black, too gay, too straight, too, since gender.
It doesn't matter.
It will touch your kid at one point.
It's touching everybody.
No, there's nobody that's not impacted by this now.
So I just add one quick thing.
So last time I was on the show, I talked to Linda a little bit, but it was it got such wide appeal that you know Demi Lovato um was was pronounced dead.
She was she overdosed on an opioid, and she was literally pronounced dead at the scene, but they brought brought her back, they got her back to life.
After that, within a couple of days, Demi Lovato's mom, Diana De La Garza called me and said, Look, I need to get involved in this.
I my daughter and I are so close, I love her.
As soon as she's out of out of trouble, I want to get involved.
I said, I said, Diana, you will be the minute you're ready and Demi's ready, you're gonna be part of this.
I want to bring you on to this so we can we can save some lives together.
And Linda had contacted me, your producer contacted me and said, Hey, can you get involved in this premiere of the movie?
I said, I will, but you know what I'd like to do is I'd like to bring Demi Lovato's mom and tell her story too, because it's really compelling.
I mean, there's there's so many it just shows you can touch anyone she wants, anybody.
So she's gonna be part of that premiere as well.
And this is what scares me, and you know, uh you're never gonna recover from this.
And I and I I I know you're strong.
I know your wife is strong.
I know you both, but you know, you told me once that if it's just one the size of one grain of salt or two or three grains of salt from your shaker.
And I'm not talking about the big grains of salt, it's the little tiny iodized salt grain that can kill a kid, and they're putting it purposefully in the in all of these drugs, from heroin to weed and everything.
They're putting it everywhere.
Some dealers are even looking out, looking for the some of the strongest stuff that can kill because uh they'll get known as the the dealer with the strongest drugs, and and it doesn't even bother them, bad night if they kill someone.
As far as being strong, Sean, uh I'm not no, you you you have been through.
You you lost the love of your life.
You lost your child.
No parent should ever lose a child, ever.
And you know, you get a you know, I remember when you got the call, you were in the car.
You told me your wife collapsed.
I mean, it's it's horrible.
Let me let me bring Linda in for a second because um, you know, this nonprofit group, you put you help put this whole thing together, so I gotta give you a lot of credit.
Oh, thanks, man.
And it's called uh Dark Wire.
And you this is your first documentary.
It's not in vain.
Sarah Carter also is working on the project uh created by the organization, but you also trace the where this is all coming from, which is a big component of this.
Yeah, I think one of the most misunderstood things is that fentanyl is coming across an open border.
It's a national security crisis.
What person doesn't want to protect their children?
And when Eric started doing all this stuff, I said, you know, I'm doing this project with Sarah Carter, she's my business partner in this nonprofit trying to get the word out and save some kids.
You know, if you take if you want to take an analogy that really hits home, think about a 737 crashing every single day with every passenger on the flight dying.
Except they're all under 20.
That's what's happening in our country.
Opioid loss is over 72,000 people a year.
And then we're not even talking about the lives ruined by addiction.
And that's the thing.
We're losing a generation.
Babies are being born addicted to heroin and opioids.
While we were making the film, my cousin overdosed and died, and she left behind five kids.
She had just gotten out of rehab, just got clean, was in a halfway house, took a shot of heroin, the heroin was laced with fentanyl.
And she died.
And Eric, this is what's happening to these kids.
Let's say they they they hit Granny's medicine cabinet, and there's a percocet, a Vicodin, an oxycontin, and then they take it, and then they like it, then they take it and they like it.
And the next thing they're on the street paying 80 bucks a pill and they can't afford it.
And then someone offers a ten dollar bag of uh heroin and their life's over.
Even worse now, Sean.
It's even worse.
You're right up until the last part where it's it's now cheaper to buy uh hit an opioid on the street.
You can get a pill of opioid of whatever it is, oxy, whatever their their favorite type of opioid is for five bucks.
And cops are telling law enforcement's telling me we can't we can't keep up.
It's too hard to find.
You do you can't smell with dogs.
They say for five dollars they can get high in an opioid, and it costs them more more to buy a joint or or cocaine.
So they're of course attracted right to it.
It's stronger stuff.
The problem is some of the stuff that's on the street, a lot of the stuff that's on the street is as Linda points out, is coming from places like China, North Korea as well.
And they're laced with deadly, deadly drugs.
The fentanyl is a horse tranquilizer.
They give fentanyl to people in their last dying days of cancer when they're in the massive amounts of pain and and they just they it's the last ditch after to keep people out of pain.
Three granules of that iodized salt is enough to kill a two hundred pound man, and and frankly, it's it's killing our youth when this right.
Linda's on it.
Thank you for what's going on.
So tell us about what I know you're gonna be at the premiere of the documentary.
I offered, but Linda said no, I don't want you there because you'd embarrass me.
Um Yeah, that's what I said, exactly.
That's another quote.
Um, but I'm very proud of you for doing this job, and I'm proud of you know Sarah and the group of people that you put together and pulled together.
Uh and you do this all on your own.
The only thing I did was offer, you know, moral support, really, because I supported the project.
Um we've been very fortunate because we've had people like Eric come on board and Demi Lovato's mom, Diane Delagarza.
She's gonna come.
She's gonna come Monday, right?
She's coming Monday, she's speaking for the first time in an open forum, like you know, on a stage with Eric.
Can I add that a little bit too much?
Of course, please, Eric, please.
So Diane calls me, she says, I have to get involved.
I said that we we have to do this, but we have to do this with with with Demi's consent because she after all, this is all about Demi and her recovery.
And she said, okay, let me sit down and she sat down with Demi as she started to feel better.
And and and Demi has fully, fully thrown her support behind this.
Diane said, Look, I I don't I'm not very media savvy, and I said, look, let's do this.
I'm uh I'm gonna walk you through this.
It's it's it's it's a treachery, it's horrendous for the first few times just to relive some of those moments.
And and so we're gonna do that.
We're gonna hold the handle and it's slowly bringing into the the media spotlight with this and and make sure that she doesn't overwhelmed by it.
But she has a really interesting story too, because her daughter was clean for a long time.
And so wasn't she clean for about six years, Eric?
Six years, and then bad people are throwing the party, and Demi's clean at the point, and they're and they throw a party, and some of the dealers got behind the wall, the security wall, they got inside, and all it took was one night, and Demi finds herself literally, but literally almost dead, if not dead, and they bring her back.
So it's so scary, so dangerous out there, Sean.
I know.
Um now I know that you're doing the premiere on Monday, and I think it's important for people to see this and you go to uh Yeah, go to um go to the darkwire.com, the darkwire.com and we have a few seats open, so if you submit your email and send it our way, we'll get you into the premiere.
And then how over time are people gonna be able to see it?
We haven't announced that yet, right?
Yeah, so we're gonna be streaming it.
We're doing some distribution deals on Amazon and other places, and we'll get it out there for people to see it.
Yeah.
You know, Eric, I know you don't get I know you never fully recover, but I know that both you and your wife you've taken what is the most painful experience in life, and you've you've now turned it into something that you're trying to help save the lives of others.
Uh I love you for doing that.
You're an example to all of us.
And um I I just wish you and your family, you know this the best.
And it's happening Monday in uh Washington, DC, not in vain, is the brand new documentary.
It is a nonprofit group, the darkwire.com, the darkwire.com.
Hannity, Fox News.
We got a great lineup for you tonight, and have a great weekend.
We'll see uh what crazy news comes out by Monday, but we'll be on it.
We're going back to our nation's capital on Monday for this reason.
