Defending Our Borders: A Matter of Life and Death - 8.23
Geraldo Rivera, Fox News Legal Analyst and author of The Geraldo Show and Salena Zito, author of The Great Revolt: Inside the Populist Coalition Reshaping American Politics, debate the comments made Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick today who has said that people like Geraldo Rivera should be held accountable for supporting illegal immigrants, following the harrowing death of Molly Tibbetts. The Sean Hannity Show is on weekdays from 3 pm to 6 pm ET on iHeartRadio and Hannity.com. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Oh, Jeff Sessions, uh, firing back at Trump, they say the DOJ will not be improperly influenced.
Not sure what that's all about.
Uh I have no idea, unbeknownst unbeknownst to me, uh get away from me.
You're annoying.
Her and Blair, they conspired behind my back, and we're now doing this via what?
At Twitter at Sean Hannity.
We're doing a Twitter live.
Is it called a Periscope or is it called Twitter Live?
What's it called?
We don't know.
Twitter live video.
We're streaming this thing.
I know they love me over there at Twitter, apparently.
Uh at least some people might, but I read recently that at Jack, well, we only wanted to talk to Hannity's audience, not Hannity.
I'm like, oh, okay, forget me.
I'm I couldn't have been nicer to the guy.
I was asking him questions, giving him an opportunity to respond.
Uh, there are a lot of questions as it relates to who gets to decide editorially on these really important decisions.
Like, for example, you can't have somebody on social media making threats against individuals.
You can't have nobody that has a social media site is going to want people that are racist bigots on their site.
You're not going to want your social media site to become uh a haven, you know, for people that have, you know, hate gay agenda or racist agendas or uh or bigoted agendas against uh particular religions.
We don't want that.
They didn't want that.
But then it raises the question who decides?
Who's the arbiter?
How do you decide?
What about freedom of speech?
Uh, what if the owners of a particular social media site, what if they have a liberal bent and they don't like conservative points of view, period.
Everything that a conservative says, ah, that's bad.
What do you do then?
We heard the other day that what Facebook is now going to put stars or grades next to everybody's name, except you can't see them.
In other words, and then it gets into the issue of shadow banning.
And then it gets into the issue of, you know, again, it's kind it look, as I said to uh Jack Dorsey, who is the CEO of Twitter, it's more nuanced, it's more complicated than people think.
And because I tried to do an informational interview as a talk show host, we play many roles on this show.
We give strong opinion, we break more news than the entire fake news media altogether.
Uh, we also sometimes allow debates to occur.
We might have one such debate as uh we know that Dan Patrick, the lieutenant governor of Texas, has gotten into a little bit of a row and battle on Twitter with Geraldo Rivera, who's actually on uh and Geraldo will join us later today, but he was actually uh on um, I guess one of the shows on Fox earlier today, America's newsroom.
Okay, he's on there earlier today, and he said, look, these the fact that there are people that won't support building a wall, that won't support vetting and finding people that are in the country illegally, that they are now becoming accomplices.
This is in part reaction to Molly Tibbett's.
We've got to solve the problem.
I mean, I sat with Rick Perry in a security briefing, and he showed us, and we had security experts put up on the screen, and I've showed it on TV many times, 642,000 crimes committed against Texans alone in just a what seven-year period.
Some of them very violent crimes, some of them more petty, but these are real people, real victims of crime here.
And the idea, and this this is where I guess for some it gets controversial when you get into the travel ban issue.
If you grow up your entire life in a country that has values that are the antithesis of our constitutional republic.
You grow up in a country that actually thinks it's okay for men to tell women how to dress, or to tell women that they cannot drive.
Or in some countries, I know this is insane.
You know, marital rape in some countries is not a crime.
Or the fact that gays and lesbians are killed just for being who they are.
And they're thrown off roofs and they're hung.
You know, that happens in this world today.
Or that if you happen to have a different faith, you can't build a temple or a Christian church, for example, in Saudi Arabia.
You just can't.
Now, somebody that grows up, that is the culture, the only culture that they have known.
They hear about the United States.
Maybe they studied all about the United States and they want to come to the United States.
Maybe, you know, some people want to come here because they don't like the system that they're growing under, growing up under.
And they believe more in our constitutional system, where all men and women are created equal.
And what while imperfect has never been a country that has accumulated more power and abused it less than ours.
Country that has advanced the human condition, using its power, sacrificing its treasure, our people and our resources to advance the human condition.
And you what's so bad about trying to ascertain whether or not people that want to come here, you don't have a right to come here.
We have to first protect the people that are here.
First thing we got to start in Chicago.
I can't believe nobody is talking about Chicago.
Two weeks ago, 71 people shot.
This weekend, 61 people shot.
We what these are our citizens.
Why are we helping the people in Chicago?
Why don't we have a military presence in Chicago?
Uh why don't we have the National Guard out in Chicago?
Why don't we put people that are wanting to help Chicago?
Anyway, but just to sort of anyway, so all this sort of comes together that these issues of you know, people are mean.
I always call these people weak, they're sort of like um keyboard warriors.
They're in the privacy of their bedroom, their basement, they're in their PJs, their underwear, their sweatpants, you know, and then under some anonymous name, and they're saying all sorts of crap.
And you know what?
They're so brave when they're down there all alone and no one knows who they are.
And so it is it has now become a system where people are literally just venting and saying the most horrific things to other people in social media.
Okay, so now where do you decide?
Where do you draw the line?
Now it might be that America has to accept that there are bigots, that you know, there are horrible evil people out there that say horrible things, but do you have a standard for a social media platform that maybe says you can we are not going to monitor this the things that people say?
We ask, we request that you be respectful, and then let people have at it.
It is truly a free speech forum, which allows even hateful people on there that say hateful things, as long as it's not advocating or inciting in any way a violence.
Or do you try to monitor it in a way that, all right, this site not only will not allow violence, but we're not going to allow bigotry and hatred and racism on our site either.
Okay.
Then you've got people that what about people that use you know, whatever they think they're being clever.
You know they're being racist, but they're trying to use code words to be racist.
You know, you hear you can see it, you read it, you know what it is.
It's sort of like pornography, you know it when you see it.
Famously once said, but um, you know, it's uh these things happen.
How do you do it?
I would I don't want to, I wouldn't want to be in the decision of making that decision, in the position of making that decision.
By the way, if you're watching on at Twitter, this is all Linda's fault.
She sprung it on me at 30 seconds before.
How many people are watching right now?
Many.
How many?
You can't tell that right now.
Can you tell right now?
He can't talk to you about it.
He's not on a microphone.
Excuse me, just he's not on a microphone.
I'm talking while he's I'm talking to.
How many?
250,000 people.
See that?
That's more than a CNN has given on any day.
That's probably true.
You're welcome.
You're welcome.
Hi, everybody.
I had no idea.
This is annoying.
You know what I you do a better show when I make you angry.
So you're welcome in advance.
You're making me angry.
Can you put your mic down for a second and let me do my opening monologue?
Really?
Reclaiming your time?
Maxim Waters.
When you're on my time, I can reclaim.
Are you getting arried?
Are you getting irritated?
Everyone, just stop.
What I was going to say until I was so rudely interrupted is that the great thing about being in a radio studio and not having anybody watching is the mystery, the old mystery of radio.
People can see me on television.
Television is a different medium.
But you look a lot better on radio.
I look the same, except I didn't comb my hair.
I look the same.
Let's put a vote on Twitter.
Let's take a poll.
I don't want to take a poll.
You know, I'd like to follow the case.
That's because you know I'm going to be right.
Yeah, okay.
So people I it's like when I meet people in person.
I'll be out.
I was out grocery shopping last weekend.
It happens every time I go to the grocery store.
People like, what are you doing here?
Do you use self-checkout?
I do.
Now I do.
I use self-checks.
I totally picture you doing that because you have zero patients.
Zero.
What happens when the when the UPC code doesn't come up and have to call for help?
Well, the problem is when I was there last time I was buying some coarse light.
And shocking.
Then you have to show your ID to the machine.
I'm like, this forget it.
Take it back.
Well, you look a lot younger in real life.
I would card you too, because you're a part of the city.
I'm skinnier, taller, and better looking, younger looking.
Are you done?
Because I am never done.
I've got hours.
You stop with being on her side, too.
You see, you've ruined the whole opening of the show, just so you know.
You and your polls.
All right.
We have um all right, so we are 75 days now outside of this most important midterm election in our lifetime.
Uh, and things are heating up.
I will tell you this, that as you know, you watch the media just clinging to with dear life onto Cohn and Manafort.
I don't think that's gonna be the big issue of the campaign, because it has nothing to do with Trump.
Nothing to do with Russia, nothing to do with the election, nothing to do with collusion.
But the media thinks we're just gonna hammer this every okay.
People big news on what went Tuesday, it's now Thursday.
How many more nights are we going to be talking?
We know what happened.
We know how it ends.
Uh, everybody that was saying that, oh, Lanny Davis was proven to be a liar.
It is not against the law.
We have campaign laws that are very crystal clear.
And as Alan Dershowitz said, this would be legally like the equivalent of jaywalking.
It's not what Lanny Davis has been saying.
Has anybody questioned why Lanny Davis except me?
Why would he ever say that his client would never accept a pardon?
Uh that was pretty dumb.
I know he loves the Clintons.
Who is he representing here?
The Clintons, or is he representing Michael Cohn?
Because maybe a year from now, you know, I'm just I can envision a scenario after a year in jail.
Maybe Michael Cohn's wife would beg the president for a pardon.
And that maybe the president would be moved to compassion.
And would that be such a horrible thing?
And maybe whatever money that he owes him back taxes, maybe he could work and actually pay it back, which the IRS makes those deals every single day.
All right, we'll get into all these aspects.
For all you folks on Twitter, goodbye.
Hit the goodbye button.
Bye.
See you later.
Uh now I can actually do a real show and get when we get back.
All right, so Jeff Sessions uh spoke out today, and um the president last night in his interview on Fox and Friends, you know, was very clear and said, Look, uh, I put in an attorney general, never took control of the Justice Department.
Jeff Sessions never took control.
It's an incredible thing.
I think the biggest issue with the president, and it is I don't care what your political views, it is a legitimate one.
The day after he was confirmed, the very next day he recused himself from what now has turned out to be the biggest abuse of power scandal In history.
He's the only president that's never had his attorney general in charge.
Because if he did and had somebody else, it is likely none of this Muller anything would have happened.
Which, as we can see now, is skidded off the rails into, you know, taxics and you know, 2005 tax and bank fraud cases.
And nothing to do with Russia collusion, the president of 2016.
And so Sessions says, Well, I took control of the Department of Justice the day I was sworn in, which is why we have an unprecedented success at effectuating the president's agenda, one that protects the safety rights of the American people, reduces violent crime, enforces immigration, promotes economic growth, advances religious liberty.
He said he will not allow political considerations to derail the Justice Department.
While I am the Attorney General, the actions of the Department of Justice will not improperly be influenced by political consideration.
I had to demand the highest standards.
When they're not met, I take action.
No nation has a more talented, more dedicated group.
All right.
Well, here's the problem as I see it for Jeff Sessions and where we are right now, because I think this is a big deal.
And I actually sent a note over to the Department of Justice today.
Does the Attorney General does he believe that Hillary Clinton violated the law with her private server that had top secret and classified information on it?
Because nothing's happened.
Does he believe that she obstructed justice when 33,000 subpoenaed emails were erased, hard drives erased, devices destroyed?
Because nothing's happened.
You know, is the attorney general concerned that Hillary's exoneration was being written as early as May 2016.
I'm sorry, yeah, 2016, by Strzok and Comey before 17 key witnesses were ever interviewed.
Does the AG believe Pfizer court judges were lied to?
Now that we know the bulk of information, Grassley Graham Nunez memos became the Steel Dossier that was a that was used to obtain Pfizer warrants on Carter Page, fraud perpetrated on the court.
The attorney general concerned that the applications did not reveal that the Pfizer court to the Pfizer court that Hillary Clinton and the DNC paid for the steel dossier.
Is the attorney general concerned nobody had ever bothered to verify independently corroborate the salacious contents of the dossier used in the Pfizer Warren applications?
People signed off on him.
Even Steele himself says he didn't know if it's true.
Are they concerned about that?
We don't see any action yet at all.
Jeff Sessions recused himself, which he shouldn't have done.
Or he should have told me.
Even my enemies say that Jeff Sessions should have told you that he was going to recuse himself, and then you wouldn't have put him in.
He took the job, and then he said, I'm going to recuse myself.
I said, What kind of a man is this?
And by the way, he was on the campaign.
You know, the only reason I gave him the job because I felt loyalty.
He was an original supporter.
He was on the campaign.
He knows there was no collusion.
You know, and just think of it now.
None of this happens except the attorney general decides to recuse himself.
We're now headed to day 500 of non-stop, never-ending, and then yeah, to the media, you know, hysteria.
I mean, I've watched a little bit last night for as long as I could take, which is about three minutes.
And you just watch the media impeachment, impeachment, impeachment, impeachment.
Given today, the likelihood of impeachment.
I'm not saying it's high necessarily, but it certainly went up.
Impeachment of impeachment, impeachment, impeachment, impeachment.
Impeachment implications are now in the air.
Impeachment.
Impeachment, if it is a crime, it certainly is an impeachable event.
Impeach Trump.
Impeachment.
And I could I could keep going literally.
Saw something on Drudge earlier today that what?
Cable news says impeachment 22 times in one day.
and it's the same pattern.
And it all started the day that this president comes down the escalator with his wife and announces he's going to run for president.
Then everyone's laughing.
He's gonna run for president.
You know, then all right, then we get a different times.
He's a racist, racist, racist, race, racist, election night.
This is a white lash.
Donald Trump was elected.
A white lash.
You know, that's cable news.
That that what?
that's, that's news.
And then it's Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Stormy, Stormy, Stormy, Stormy, shh, shh, If the president said uh polar house.
Do you think these countries are holes?
Donald Trump has turned the oval office into a hole's built this country 110 years ago.
In addition to the president's comments yesterday, uh a few more whole country's whole whole whole country.
Rich, do you have any example of any whole country that the president referred to that is predominantly Caucasian?
Polish poles polar.
I work for holder.
I'm proud to be a holder.
I don't even know if I would be saying on television.
This could be the last nail in the coffin.
Stormy Daniels is causing stormy weather.
Porn starmy Daniels claims President Trump broke the law, had her bullied.
The Stormy Daniels have the president's number.
It sure seems that way.
Uh with Stormy Daniels.
How is Stormy weathering this?
Stormy speaks.
We're hearing quite a bit from Stormy Daniels.
Stormy's in her own words isn't going anywhere.
Stormy Daniels has a good lawyer.
The porn star Stormy Daniels was telling the truth.
Stormy Daniels is on a tail.
Quick preview of Stormy Daniels interview this Sunday.
Breaking news for Stormy Daniels.
Stormy Daniels.
The reason he can't engage with Stormy Daniels is because she's got his number.
Russia, the Russians, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russians, Russia, Russia, and the Russia.
Russia, Russia.
Russian Russia, Russia.
Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia.
They go from crisis to crisis to crisis to crisis to panic to panic to panic to panic.
And they don't care.
They never talk about the success of the president, just like they never talked about the failures of the last president.
They were invested in Obama.
The hope and change.
Thrills went up and down their legs.
And now they and they just sucked up and bowed at the altar of Obama.
What did it get the country?
Got us what?
The worst economic record.
The worst recovery since the 40s.
More people on unemployment.
You know, literally, we have what?
Uh 13 million more Americans in uh on food stamps, eight million more in poverty, lowest labor participation since the 70s, lowest home ownership rate in 51 years.
More debt than every other president before him combined.
We got an apology tour out of it.
What else did we?
We got Mullah's in Iran very happy with the Obama presidency.
150 billion dollars into the coffers of those that chant death to America, death to Israel.
They never talked about this in negative terms.
He was the great peacemaker.
Donald Trump's gonna start a nuclear war.
That was another mantra of the media.
Nuclear war, nuclear war, nuclear war, nuclear war, nuclear war, nuclear war.
His rhetoric is so over the top.
You know, our buttons uh uh bigger than yours and it works, fire and fury, little rocket man, they couldn't handle it.
They can't handle anything Trump.
You know, it is, I think the analogy that I've been hitting on lately is just dead on accurate.
Donald Trump never was supposed to win the presidency.
Now we know why, too.
Because of all the underhanded deep state maneuvers and actions that had taken place, unbeknownst to us.
I don't think most Americans Knew that when Jim Comey, July 5th, 2016, when he in fact gave uh that exoneration of Hillary that he had begun working on it in early May of that year with Peter Strzok.
And he spends 13 minutes basically saying, I'm sitting there, oh, I can't believe it.
He's gonna indict her.
Wow, we will have justice in America.
And then he basically lays out the case for.
Then we find out she wasn't even interviewed for three days till three days before.
But they wrote the thing in May.
You know, that's why, you know, I sent over questions if, you know, about Jeff Sessions, because, you know, all right, now that we've gotten to the big the bottom of all the important stuff.
Now that the taxi medallion issue is over, now that the, okay, you didn't file tax returns in 2010 or 2009.
Now that that's over.
Now that you filed of a loan application and you put inaccurate information on it.
Now that that's all taken care of, Manafort convicted on eight of eighteen counts, and then you've got Michael Cohn, you know, making a plea deal.
Could get him up to five years in jail.
And his attorney, his genius attorney, Clinton Lover, Lanny Davis.
Oh, he wouldn't take a pardon.
And I go, Oh, that's great.
Who are you friends with here?
Who are you representing here?
Uh, I don't know.
I think I don't think that's a particularly smart thing for a lawyer to say.
You know how many people put in pardon requests every year?
I don't know how many, but I gotta assume it's a pretty high number of people.
You know, you got a few people that have been right about all of this, and we certainly have been right in pointing out other crimes that are not being paid attention to.
People like Alan Dershowitz have rightly pointed out that we are criminalizing criminalizing political differences.
You've got the Russian hoax, you know, number one book in the country, three weeks in a row now by Greg Jarrett, and that's the Russian hoax, the illicit scheme to clear Hillary Clinton and frame Donald Trump.
And we now have the the struck page text messages, and we'll stop him and their insurance policy.
Now we've got the Bruce Orr and Christopher Steele emails.
Are the firewalls set for when Comey testifies on Tuesday?
I hope the firewalls hold.
After all, I'm getting a little worried.
We're gonna be exposed here.
What are the firewalls?
What wall fire walls plural is he talking about?
Exposed, exposed about doing what?
And of course, we broke the story uh by the government accountability office yesterday, and we're gonna do this again on TV tonight.
Well, we now find out that James Comey leaves and for five years is working for Lockheed Martin and he's the guy that apparently has power of attorney for all these officials at Lockheed Martin.
They get billions and billions of dollars in contracts from the federal government, including, you know, they're getting into it.
I'm not saying it's unnecessary.
I mean, I want us to have the best technology as long as we don't abuse the tools of intelligence like we know of happen with the intelligence gathering and the unmasking of human beings, uh citizens of the United States, you know, why is Samantha Powers unmasking a person a day?
We never got to the bottom of that.
Uh what other Americans were unfairly surveilled and unmasked.
Who else had raw intelligence leaked on them besides General Flynn?
That would be a crime, too.
And then we find out that Lockheed Martin in the year 2009 is paying Jim Comey $6.1 million, according to this brand new book by uh Seamus Bruner and the forward written by Peter Schweitzer.
I think that's pretty, I think that's a pretty big deal.
I don't remember anyone revealing how much Jim Comey got when he went to work for Lockheed Martin.
And if he had the power of attorney and he's signing off on this new technology for, I guess, some type of retinal human identification system that they want to build, uh, which I guess is all part of having the latest best technology, maybe necessary,
but Robert Muller is the guy that signs the contract, and he's the one that's lobbying Mueller and their best buddies, and then it's Comey that leaks to the Columbia professor, who then leaks to the New York Times, that then gets the special counsel, which he even admitted That he wanted to get, and that also turns out to be Mueller.
And then you look at the relationships of all these guys, include Rod Rosenstein and Andrew McCabe and Strzok and Paige and everybody else, and you got one hell of a corrupt system here.
And then we have real crimes that it committed.
Or, you know, why was Jim Comey getting six million dollars in a year from, you know, one of these big hedge funds?
What was that about?
Then he went back to the FBI.
And then Robert Muller leaves the FBI.
And Robert Muller's making a few million dollars a year on the speaking circuit, and he has contracts.
Now we're told that even two of his witness companies in the special counsel what Facebook and Google.
Well, now we've learned about them that they're now witnesses, but they were his clients back in the day, or the clients of his law firm.
Did anyone ever expose that potential conflict of interest?
And we also learned that John Brennan and his little temper tantrum over the revoking his security clearance is inadvertently pointed out what we have been pointing out now for some time, and that is that there is this revolving door with government and uh private sector.
And uh what's interesting about it is you know, everyone wants to keep their security clearance, the president said.
It's worth great prestige and big dollars and even board seats, and that's why certain people coming forward to protect Brennan.
He's right.
If you're not in the government, you don't need a security clearance.
Now, if we need to call you back in a national emergency for some type of service, we can reinstate it very quickly.
Very quick, it won't take that long, I'm sure.
More than four million private sector individuals hold clearances now.
The secret of private intelligence agency is a massive ecosystem, right for what this book says is concealed cronyism.
Where do you see what we do tonight on TV with all of this?
You know, and by the way, some of these guys have big TV contracts now.
Why?
Because of, well, their backgrounds, I'm sure.
That plays a big part of it, but also their security clearances.
You know, it's this is stuff nobody's ever heard of before.
This isn't just a cushy job, $6.1 million in a year.
How much did he get from Lockheed Martin the other four years that he worked for, meaning Jim Comey?
I mean, he likes to portray himself sort of like Peter Strzok.
They're the super patriots.
They're the ones that they are of the highest ethical order.
They're the ones that know better than we, the smelly Walmart people, as Strzok referred to us as.
You can smell them in the Walmart, Virginia.
You know, we're the ones that are looked down on as irredeemable deplorables.
People that cling to God, their guns, their Bibles, their religion.
Oh my.
Guess this that's a horrible thing in the eyes of some people.
We know one NSA leaker was sentenced to five years in jail for doing what Jim Comey did.
There's an article about an NSA contractor, reality uh lay winner, was uh something like that.
Somebody this is in the gateway pundit.
Can't even read my own writing on this, but I'll put that aside.
Employment increases in the last year, 90% of America's largest counties.
Employment increases.
Fourteen states, record low unemployment, record low unemployment African Americans, record low unemployment Hispanic Americans, record low unemployment for Asian Americans, record record low youth unemployment, women in the workforce.
And then people go on TV with a straight face and say Obama did that.
Oh, why didn't it happen in the eight years he was president?
But that's neither here nor there.
All these questions, and then nobody, nobody goes near it.
They don't touch what is the important questions.
How is it?
Crimes were committed by Hillary, espionage act, obstruction, you know, exonerations before investigations.
You know, Pfizer court judges, Fed what even Steele doesn't confirm as being real, is phony Russian dossier that Hillary paid for.
You know, why didn't they tell them the bulk of information used to perpetuate a fraud on courts to get warrants against opposition party candidates and members of their campaigns?
You know, we concern that, you know, Hillary paid for all this, and they didn't tell the court.
Nobody's ever verified it, and they signed their names on it.
Yeah, I know.
Well, what can I say?
I guess that's the way it's gonna be.
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Uh, if you want to be a part of the program, it's part of his interview with Fox and Friends this morning.
President Trump said he was leaning towards the classifying Justice Department documents that could blow the lid off a cesspool of corruption by top FBI and DOJ officials.
Mr. President, a lot of people are frustrated.
A lot of your supporters are frustrated with the DOJ with Jeff Sessions.
There are rumors that you're going to fire him after the midterms and Rosenstein.
They also want these documents.
They're wondering if you will use your power to get these documents released.
At the right time, I think I'm going to have to do the documents.
I didn't want to, but I think I'm going to have to.
There's such corruption.
Before I got here, it's from before I got here.
It's the Obama administration.
And you look at what happened.
They surveilled my campaign.
It's very simple.
The Pfizer report, the phony fake Rosenstein signed the last Pfizer report.
It bothers me.
It's always been fire him.
Will you fire Sessions?
Well, I'll tell you what.
As I've said, I wanted to stay uninvolved.
But when everybody sees what's going on in the Justice Department, I always put justice now with quotes.
It's a very, very sad day.
All right, so that was part of the interview uh yesterday.
There is uh a lot.
Jeff Sessions uh came out today with his little warning, I guess, that he is going to remain above it all and do the work of the Justice Department.
And as I said, I I wrote the Justice Department spokesperson earlier in the day, and I wanted to know answers to simple questions about like, you know, does the attorney general believe that uh Hillary Clinton violated the espionage act?
Private server classified top secret information on it or obstruct justice when she deleted and erased.
Uh, you know, 33,000 subpoenaed emails and devices were destroyed, or an exoneration written in early May of 2016 by both Strzok and Comey of all people.
None of the 17 eyewitnesses or witnesses to that case were ever interviewed.
Three days after Hillary was interviewed by Struck, uh James Comey came out, exonerated her.
That was July 5th, 2016.
You know, does the attorney general believe that Pfizer courts uh and judges were lied to?
Now that we know the bulk of information to obtain the Pfizer warrant, four of them, what warrants that all four applications had the bulk of the information being the dossier that was put together by Christopher Steele.
That we now know that Christopher Steele doesn't even stand by.
Was a fraud perpetrated on the court?
Is the Department of Justice concerned that the applications didn't reveal to the Pfizer courts that Hillary and the DNC paid for the steel dossier?
That all those people, including Rod Rosenstein, it was was just mentioned, or Sally Yates or James Comey himself signed off on these FISA applications with the dossier as the as the main bulk of information.
Even Steele himself testified he didn't know the contents were he didn't believe them to be true.
That this was raw intelligence, maybe 5050.
Then you have Senator uh well attorney general sessions going out there, and the president is really ticked off because he feels like I've never had an attorney general.
He said in his interview yesterday, I've never, you know, because who does this?
The day after he's confirmed, he recuses himself.
He accused himself, which he shouldn't have done, or he should have told me.
Even my enemies say that Jeff Sessions should have told you that he was gonna recuse himself, and then you wouldn't have put him in.
He took the job, and then he said, I'm going to recuse myself.
I said, What kind of a man is this?
And by the way, he was on the campaign.
You know, the only reason I gave him the job, because I felt loyalty.
He was an original supporter.
He was on the campaign.
He knows there was no collusion.
Now Jeff Sessions responds today that the DOJ Will not be improperly influenced, and that he is in control of the Department of Justice.
And then he said we'll not allow political considerations to derail the Justice Department from its work.
And while I'm attorney general, the actions of the Department of Justice will not be improperly influenced by political considerations.
Demand the highest standards.
And when they're not met, I take action.
However, no nation has a more talented, more dedicated group of law enforcement investigators and prosecutors than the U.S. All right, so where does this all go?
We do have one other article that has come out.
Two key Republican senators have now signaled to the President that he could replace Sessions after the midterm elections in November.
And the President's uh entitled, it goes on to say to an attorney general that he has faith in, somebody that's qualified for the job.
And I think there will come a time sooner rather than later where it will be time to have a new face, fresh voice of the Department of Justice at Lindsey Graham.
And he may be in line to head the judiciary committee next year.
Clearly, Attorney General Sessions doesn't have the confidence of the President.
Sessions defending that.
Anyway, joining us to uh delve into all of this, Phil Haney is one of the founding members of the Department of Homeland Security.
His security clearances, interesting, have been revoked.
And the documents that they had put together in the twelve years that he was with the Department of Homeland Security, he had to erase when Barack Obama became president.
And he believes it could have had an impact in both the Orlando and Sam Bernardino shootings.
Information could have helped us prevent it.
Bill Benny is the Bill Bill Benny is the former technical director of the NSA, World Geopolitical, Military Analyst uh and reporting group, and he also had security clearances revoked.
And uh Sarah Carter, Fox News contributor, investigative reporter.
Uh Sarah, let's start first with uh this back and forth between Sessions and the President.
Well, uh it was it was bound to happen, Sean, and uh, you know, earlier today I just uh spoke with uh Senator Lindsey Graham and had a long conversation with him, and he was very direct.
He said, Look, you know, Sessions obviously has no confidence in the president, the president and his relationship has deteriorated to such a point that the administration and the country is being affected by this.
And the president has every right to choose who he wants to be uh, you know, the attorney general, and he has the right to do that.
And I think what we see now is that both, you know, Graham as well as uh Senator Charles Grassley are ready, you know, they're coming out, they're trying to get their Republican colleagues on board, they know they're not gonna get the Dems on board, the Dems are gonna scream, you know, murder at this point, you know, but they believe that at this point in time it is time for Sessions to move on.
Now, I you know, I told you and I talked to you about this last night on your show, that there is some talk um as well uh within the DOJ and up on Capitol Hill that maybe Sessions himself will find a moment to resign because he is so close uh and we're so close to the campaign, and that there may be some conflicts.
But I think the biggest conflict right now for attorney general Jeff Sessions is the fact that his president that he is supposed to be serving no longer had confidence in him.
And we know there's a number of very important cases that should have been brought front and center for the DOJ, and we haven't seen any information on those cases yet.
Michael Flynn, who leaked his information on the tech cuts.
We haven't seen any information on what's happening with the Hillary Clinton Foundation investigation, which we know is ongoing, and many other um investigations that you and I have discussed.
Let me go uh Bill Benny, by the way.
I I heard about your loss recently.
I don't know if you want to talk about it, but I want you to know that we're that you're in our thoughts and prayers and we're thinking about you.
How many years were you at the uh NSA, sir?
Uh thirty-six total, four in the military and thirty-two as a civilian.
And you lost your security clearance?
Yes, uh, they trumped up charges, the FBI and the DOJ and the NSA got together and manufactured charges and uh got some knowingless uh you know, mindless judge to sign it who didn't know any better because they labeled it nationalist security and they don't know what they're dealing with there, and he simply had to believe them and they they had a pack of lives.
It took us Five years to find out exactly what they said because we had to sue them to get that affidavit to get the warrant.
And it was just a list of lies.
Let me ask you, does the does our government s you know are they surveilling every American?
And by that I mean when people send text messages or phone calls are made or emails are sent.
Does our government or do they use proxy governments or others in any way to store that data?
Uh no, they're doing it directly through TAPS inside the on the fiber network inside the United States.
It's the it's the Fairview program, which is ATT with a hundred taps inside the United States distributed with the population.
Those taps are going after Americans, not foreigners.
I mean, if they were after porn, all they'd have to do is be at the coastal points where they trans oceanic cable surface.
They're they're right across the country with our population.
That's the target.
Are you saying that everybody's emails and text messages and phone calls are recorded?
Uh yes, and digitized and searched with moon mostly with software.
Wow.
Wow.
And is that your experience, Phil Haney?
And you had your security clearances revoked too.
It happened to me too.
They told me they looked at my emails and my phone calls for several years before they actually were investigating the incidents that I was supposedly involved with.
I asked them what is it?
Why do you have the authority to do that?
And they very plainly told me we can do exactly what we want to do.
Wow.
And and for and it's true that when you had worked, you're a founding member of the Department of Homeland Security, and you build up if if I can use the term dossiers on people that you believe should be we should keep an eye on as a country that could be possible or involved down the line in some terror activities that you were told to literally get rid of that?
Yes, literally.
I mean, I have the uh proof of it.
It's as literal as we can get.
I have the timestamp and the name of the person that did it.
I wanted to also mention about uh the misuse of FOIA and the process or the fellow that's on the line that lost his clearance.
It took him five years to find out why they did it, but it only took him five minutes to revoke it.
You see?
It just shows you what they can do.
They can do things in a snap of a finger if they want to, but if they want to hold it up and keep you from finding out, they will literally make you force you to spend years and years trying to find out why they took the actions that they took.
Bill, what did you want to add?
Yeah, I mean, we had uh we had to go to a court and suit do a lawsuit against them to get them to re they even return our our uh material that they stole from us.
Unbelievable.
You know, Sarah, if that's all true, wouldn't we be able to prove this and and don't we have a constitution and a fourth amendment against unreasonable search and seizure?
And why are we all getting worked up about Pfizer warrants if all this information is out there anyway?
But Sean, we have a system that doesn't check on itself.
It basically runs itself.
It's a machine, and both Phil and Bill are absolutely right about what they're talking about.
Remember, we broke those stories on your show last year.
Unwarranted surveillance, monitoring of U.S. citizens, people from inside both the FBI and NSA that were saying the same thing.
Look, they can just change the name of the operation or project.
They have plans for this stuff to come out.
As soon as this stuff leaks, they shut everything down, they open something else up, and nobody knows what happened.
This is the reason why Senator Rand Paul and others, and remember the Democrats used to be on board with this, said we need checks and balances.
We need to know what is going on inside our intelligence community because right now it's being abused.
And how many unmaskings occurred?
How many unmaskings were reported?
Even even the courts themselves were stunned at the abuse that was happening within the NSA and other departments, but nothing ever changes.
Nothing ever gets done because Congress has to hold people accountable.
We'll take a break more with Sarah Carter, Bill Binney, Philip Haney, uh, and more on the other side.
All right, as we continue with Bill Binney, Phil Haney, and Sarah Carter.
All right, so now that this battle is going on and uh uh I don't know why Lindsay Graham would say, well, he might be able to do this after the election.
What's the point of him saying that, Sarah?
I I well I think there's concern that there's so much happening right now that they won't be able to get uh confirmation of somebody else in in that amount of time.
But now we also know that um that Senator Chuck Grassley is saying, Well, wait a minute, we might be able to make this happen before the election.
We might be able to get this done.
I think there's also a lot of concern about a lot of politicking, how people are going to use this before the election.
Are they gonna try to charge that the president uh is is getting involved before the election?
Is that going to be a problem?
So there's a lot of back and forth, a lot of debate as to how this should play out and when it should play out.
Now there's always that option that Attorney General Jeff Sessions will just resign.
I you know, we don't see any movement on the issues that I've engaged in, Philip Payney, and you know, I don't see any any reason that anyone should have any confidence that anything's going on behind the scenes.
All you get when you ask a question is well, we couldn't comment if there was an ongoing investigation, and we can't confirm or deny there is one.
Uh but it seems like everything always moves against Trump, and all this deep state, these deep state shenanigans are never brought to fruition.
And then the indictments that should have been given have not been given.
Well, that's what struck me listening to the comments today is the absolute lack of respect for the position of the president and the presidency.
Everybody's telling him what to do.
But that's one of the things that I admire the most about President Trump is his ability, his timing.
He's been waiting like fruit on a tree for these issues to ripen before he got, you know, before he took action.
But now some of the fruit is ripening.
One more thing about Attorney General Sessions.
If he says that he's running the Justice Department uh without undue political influence, then remember why he recused himself in the first place.
It had to do with Russian collusion.
He has not drawn any boundaries around the investigation.
He's let it run wild.
And that's what President Trump is so upset about.
And the other thing is the campaign promise to look into designation of the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization.
That's in his purview.
And we haven't heard a single word about that in months.
Bill Benny, we'll give you the last word.
I mean, you know, we even with the Rosenstein indictment.
I mean, we'd proved that the uh the uh goose for two material, it's a fabrication, and he's using that as a good basis for the for the indictment along with the DC leaks.
I mean, that that and then he and then the indictment simply lists all the charges under Title 18 instead of Title 52, where all the violations of uh voting and election fraud or crimes are.
I gotta let you all go, but Bill, I'm sorry again.
Uh Phil Haney, thank you.
Sarah will see you on TV tonight.
Thank you all for being with us.
My meeting with Putin was a tremendous success.
I got killed by the fake news.
They wanted me to go up and punch him in the face.
I said, I want to get along with Russia.
I want to get along with everybody.
They said I was too rough on North Carolina.
Remember that?
Too rough.
But with Putin, they said it was too soft.
My p my meeting with Putin was a tremendous success, including Syria, Ukraine, and if you look at Crimea, that was given away by President Obama.
Has nothing to do with me.
Nobody wants to mention that.
So we've had tremendous success.
And just to finish, NATO.
I raised hundreds of millions of dollars from these countries that weren't paying.
They were delinquent.
They weren't paying their bills.
The press doesn't like to talk about that.
The press talks about the fact that I insulted a lot of the leaders because I was strong on the fact that they had to pay.
I said, no, the United States is not going to be paying your bills.
With that, I'm having a good time.
Given the events of today, the likelihood of impeachment.
Impeachment.
Impeached.
Impeachment, impeachment, impeachment.
Impeachment, impeachment.
The president is clearly guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors.
He should resign his office or be impeached today.
The Trump presidency took a giant step toward impeachment.
If it is a crime, it certainly is an impeachable offense.
impeach Trump.
Impeach.
Impeachment.
Impeachment.
The man who once said he'd take a bullet for Donald Trump today in federal court was essentially calling his old boss and client, now the president of the United States, a crook.
So there are a lot of players now who start to potentially construct an enterprise, a criminal enterprise that is around or may even involve the president.
It's very baked in as of now and is not going to change that.
I just I I think there is something worse than a useful idiot, and that would be a useful idiot under legal siege.
And that is what President Donald Trump is this morning.
All right, 25 now till the uh top of the hour as we continue.
800 941 Sean is our toll-free telephone number.
Pleasure and a uh privilege to have back in our studios, Ron Christie, former special assistant to President uh George W. Bush and then adjunct professor at Georgetown University.
How did you get such a prestigious job?
Good grief.
Hey man, I've got a lot to say, and I love teaching.
It's been it's been a great gig.
Yeah.
It's been it's been six years.
I bet you're a great teacher.
I bet that you're probably pretty nice but tough.
Very nice, hard ass, and I'll tell you.
You are a hard ass.
Why are you a hard ass to those students?
Because they come in and they think it's a sanctuary space and a safe space.
I'm like, no, I'm not here to coddle you.
You're here to learn.
You're not here to text each other, you're not here to chew gum, you're not here to have dinner.
This is my class, my space.
You want to What about kids that aren't paying attention in the back row?
Because that's who I was.
Oh no, I kicked them out.
You throw them out?
Oh, yeah.
Hey, Sunshine.
Yeah, hey.
Am I boring you?
No, I literally.
So not only do I teach them at court school, uh which is public policy, but the business school.
Yep.
Those kids, they don't want to pay attention.
I'm like, hey, there's a spot for somebody else.
There's a wait list.
If you don't want to be in here, I'll bring somebody else.
So do they sit up straight and put an apple on your desk every day?
But but it's a Wi-Fi free zone.
I but I really enjoy it.
The opportunity to really see my students from six years ago to now, they're doing amazing things.
Really?
So you've been teaching the following them for six years.
Yes.
And I'm gonna get back to that in a minute.
Anyway, Jonathan Gillam is uh with us.
Uh our liberal friend, she's so polite, it's not so annoying.
Danielle McLaughlin, uh, who's with us, and we know the good news.
I don't know if we're allowed to announce it yet, but you gotta tell us uh whether that's a yes or a no.
Um Danielle, how are you?
That's a yes, yes, you can, and I'm great.
Okay, Danielle is expecting a beautiful baby what?
Congratulations.
And this is your what second, right?
Yeah, I have a three and a half year old.
Congratulations.
I think you should name her Shauna after me.
What do you think?
Um I don't know how that was gonna go down.
He's sharing.
I know somebody named a dog Hannity after me.
That I don't know.
Oh no.
Annity, get over here.
Oh no, don't go there.
Yeah.
That's really true.
Uh all right, we're gonna get to the election and say I want to just get back to Ron and and you guys can join in here.
So I understand being t what about the kids that are really can you tell if they're really trying and they still don't get it?
Or these kids are all just brilliant because you're it's at a high level.
You can tell genuinely when a student is struggling with a concept, and you figure out how can I unlock the door to get them to walk through it so they understand it.
And so you take a step back and you say, Okay, maybe I'm being too technical.
It's a great class.
It's the Washington ecosystem.
How does DC really work?
Wow.
And it's so awesome because I have to call you a professor now or doctor.
I mean they they do.
That's it, they didn't answer my question, whether I do.
You're my buddy, so you can call me Ron.
Oh man.
Well, we've been friends a long time.
Yeah.
Uh I uh you know, one day I want to teach a class.
That's actually one thing I want to do.
Well, see this.
I'm gonna do the same thing you're gonna do.
I'm gonna say if you don't want to be here, you can show up on this date for the final.
Well, you know what we're gonna do, Sean?
We're gonna have you come in as a guest speaker one day and not tell the students, and they'll freak out.
Oh, I bet they would freak out.
But I would I I I've taught classes before.
I can captivate them.
Here's my first play, because I want to do it.
Um Danielle and Jonathan, I want you guys to weigh in on this.
Uh I want to teach communications in the political and uh an era of new media.
Oh, look, that is really where so many of the graduate students are looking at because they don't understand in the era of Twitter and all these other tech companies that are out there.
Right.
How do we communicate?
Well, listen, I mean, I'm I will communicate, I'll be more brazen on Twitter than I might be on the radio show or TV show.
You know, that's for me it was always about in when I was had the time to fight.
I've been busy a lot lately, but I would just, you know, go after people and call 'em a jackass.
Uh or the stop kissing uh, you know, the Democr Hillary Clinton's ass and Obama's ass.
I'd say that on Twitter all the time.
But t Twitter now has even gotten meaner.
Oh, it's it's got you should see what Danielle tweets at me, right, Daniel?
Oh, it's terrible.
It's terrible.
I'm very mean on Twitter.
Actually, no, I'm I try to be pretty uh I try and I don't know.
I try not to be mean in any way, shape or form, but if I think you're wrong, I'm gonna call you out and showing you know this to be true.
Um I honestly think it would be amazing if you uh I don't put much attention to people right at me.
I just write back at them.
Exactly.
I I just I'm on I'm an offensive player, Jonathan.
I think your years in the military would would say that's a smart way to deal with it.
Yeah, well you know, the h here's the deal.
You you've taught me, and this is uh honest truth, um exactly what you're talking about.
You know, from coming and hosting your show and being around you when I'm on there and seeing the political environment that you have to work in, I've learned a tremendous amount.
I I would say I probably learn more from you and David Webb than anybody else uh in radio and watching how you function.
Um just uh how you do things can be uh you can write a book on that and it would be a uh a great teacher.
But but I'll tell you, if if uh as far as throwing people out, all you gotta do is bring Linda with you, and then when she gets her box on the other side, well, let me tell you, but but right out.
Jonathan, you know what most people's problem is in terms of being honest in life?
And it's really simple, but it's profound, and I'll get back to the class that I want to teach and how I'd begin the class.
But the mo the biggest problem people have is they want to be like too much.
Yes.
I don't care.
Look, I'm f and it's kind of a paradox, because if I'm not liked by people that listen to the radio program, if I'm not liked by people that watch TV, then my career is over.
But I think um I think people respect you if you are honest about who you are instead of pretending to be something that you are not.
I mean, the the difference between Donald Trump and every other politician for the most part is that Donald Trump doesn't spend all day hiding who he really is to create a false image.
He's actually just the opposite.
He is himself twenty-four-seven.
He tweets the way he thinks, he acts the way he tweets.
It's it's just him.
And it's if and hip listen, all take all the political knowledge, all the rules that you thought applied in politics and throw 'em out the window. 'Cause he's shattered every rule and has created a whole new environment where people find it refreshing that that he is shocking the system in Washington.
It's like, you know, y when you put shock in your pool when you open it in the spring.
And it's like, wow, it just jolts the whole system.
The people like it.
Right you know, as Ron is Ron will tell you about p kids coming into into classrooms, is that you have to show up with uh a willingness to learn, not a uh a desire to be taught.
You have to show up and wanting to to learn and a teacher has to show up and be willing to go the distance and teach people.
And I think it's pretty interesting because the people who show up that just want to be taught and they don't want to give the effort.
They remind me very much of the people that are not sitting back and looking at what Donald Trump does and and literally learning from that because he's rewriting the book and people will criticize him uh because it doesn't fit their opinion of what a politician should be.
And that's what happens when people show up in class, they say, This teacher's not teaching me correctly, they should be teaching me this way instead of sho showing up and saying, I need to learn what is this person have to offer me.
Well, it's even worse than that because a lot of these students want to be spoon fed.
I mean, not only do I teach uh grad school students at Georgetown, but I also teach undergrads and the undergrads are really challenging.
They have what are called helicopter parents.
The parents want to know what the assignments are.
The parents call you and say, Why did you give my student this grade?
All right, I've been guilty of being one of these, but go ahead.
Yeah, uh it's it's just really irritating.
In college when they were young, oh no, I don't care what my my attitude is you get good grades or you come home.
Yeah, right.
It's simple.
But but uh the the badass thing that I love doing, Sean is if a parent calls me and I say, I'm not here to educate you, I'm here to educate your student.
Tell them to visit me, and then I hang up the phone.
Ouch.
All right, so here's my class, and I'll throw it by all of you.
So I want to start a communications class.
The number one fear people have is speaking in public.
And I honestly, I have watched big, strong football players collapse if they have to open their mouth and talk in public.
And you know what?
It's the number one fear people have.
So I would start out.
This is a communications error.
You want to be successful in whatever business you're going to be, and you need to be able to communicate.
How many of you raise your hands and don't lie, are afraid to speak in public?
They're gonna be kids that raise their hands.
How many of you are terrified at the idea of ever speaking in public?
Everyone close their eyes, but if it's true, put up your hand.
Okay.
Who is so terrified that if I asked you to now, you would have a complete panic attack.
And then when that person raises their hand, I'm gonna say, stand up.
And I'm gonna say, I'm gonna teach you how to do it.
And then if you listen to me at the end of this conversation, I you cannot get less than a B in my class.
It's hard.
It's hard though.
But then I would teach them how to do it.
There are certain ways most people are so wrapped up in thinking and thinking and thinking, and their thoughts create feelings, and feelings create more thoughts, and they're spinning, and then the more thoughts, more feelings, more anxious.
Then you get bodily reactions to your own thinking, and then that becomes sweat, and then sweat becomes shaking, and shaking becomes more thoughts.
And I've everyone seeing me and watching me.
And you just, you know, simple relaxation techniques, and just taking a deep breath and focused on what your mind what do you want to communicate?
That's it.
That's it.
And I tell you what, Professor Hannity.
I think if you put forth that class, there'd be a lot of people.
I know Jonathan uh and Danielle and I would certainly sit in on it.
Well, definitely, no, Danielle already has Danielle has this down because all she does is say, Sean, oh, so good to see you.
How it's great to talk to you.
Um, as it relates to that horrible question about how horrible my democratic colleagues are.
Um, how are your family?
How is your family doing?
It never answers the question.
Well, she's so nice.
I mean, you just what are you gonna do?
Well, speaking of authenticity, I think that I I really agree.
And I mean, honestly, there is nothing wrong with being warm or kind or genuinely caring about the people you're talking to, even if you disagree fundamentally with what they're saying.
And to your point, Sean, you know, being able to stand up in front of the classroom or being able to go on the air in front of millions of people.
If you aren't your authentic self, I think you've got real problems.
And one thing I love about our weekly chats is that I know how to when I enter that ring, you're gonna tell me exactly what you think, and I'm gonna tell you exactly what I think.
And the same thing goes to John.
I gotta let you all go, Ron, good to have you back.
Danielle, thank you.
And uh Jonathan always, thank you.
They have been so willing to move the goalpost every single time that this president, no matter what he says, no matter what he does, right?
The fact that he was even sworn in as president after the Access Hollywood tape, let me know for a fact that the Republican Party is actually not working on behalf of the American people.
They are working on behalf of Donald Trump.
And he's been able to bully them into their silence.
And I don't think that today changes much, unfortunately.
I'm sure we'll hear what he has to say about uh this at his his rally.
But Fox News is talking about, you know, a girl in Iowa, and not this, right?
I'm so sorry for the family here, and I know this is hard, not only for the family, but for the people in her community, the people throughout Iowa.
Um, but one of the things we have to remember is we need an immigration system that is effective, that focuses on where real problems are.
Um last month I went down to the border, and I saw where children had been taken away from their mothers.
I met with those mothers who had been lied to, who didn't know where their children were, who hadn't had a chance to talk to their children, and there was no plan for how they would be reunified with their children.
I think we need immigration laws that focus on people who pose a real threat.
And I don't think mamas and babies are the place that we should be spending our resources.
You know, you hear the insensitivity of some people.
Um, oh, Iowa girl, really?
Uh Elizabeth Varren, really?
Um now, Lieutenant Governor of Texas, uh Dan Patrick has actually come out and he has said that some people will, because of their strident anti-law enforcement sanctuary city supporting uh policies that they're accomplices.
He specifically actually called out Heraldo Rivera, and they're gonna probably debate on TV.
Um Geraldo's really ticked off about it.
And uh we'll get his reaction and then we'll set up that TV debate.
But he'll join us next and much more coming up as the Sean Hannity Show continues, final hour free for all.
The CNNs, the MSNBCs, most of the print media in this country, and the Democrats, they are all accomplices in the death of this young girl and the death of everyone else.
And even Haraldo Rivera, and I've never met the guy.
I seem to like him, seemed like he's got a good heart.
You know, I saw him here on Fox saying, Well, I feel badly about this but there is no but, and I'll be happy to debate Haraldo Rivera any time, anyplace, anywhere on this issue.
We have to secure this border and protect the lives of American citizens.
All right, that was on America's Newsroom uh earlier today, news roundup and information overload hour.
It's the Sean Hannity Show, 800 941 Sean.
If you want to be a part of the program, uh we actually contacted uh the office of the lieutenant governor of uh Texas, and he is uh he said he will debate on my television show, Hannity, Geraldo Rivera, Geraldo now joins us.
He responded back on Twitter as well as being pretty angry about what the Lieutenant Governor said, and uh also joining us Selena Zito, who I've always thought is uh an incredible uh writer and author.
She has a brand new book out.
I just got a hold of it.
It's called The Great Revolt Inside the Populist Coalition Reshaping American Politics.
Uh welcome both of you to the program and Haraldo, uh the lieutenant governor is has said yes and is accepting our invitation to debate you on my TV show, and I know you are never gonna back away from a fight, so I'm assuming you're in.
He is a fearmonger, Sean, and I accept his challenge for a debate.
His claim is outrageous that I am effectively an accomplice to this horrifying murder of this poor woman, Molly Tibbetts, just because I beg for compassion and mercy for undocumented immigrants.
How dare he make so false an accusation?
Well, I look, I will say this, and because you and I have debated the issue of immigration a lot.
Um, although in this debate when you guys have it, I'm gonna let you two go at it because I don't think it's fair if I get in the middle, it's that's gonna be two on one.
You and I do disagree on some aspects of immigration, but you have come around.
You do support building a wall on our southern border.
And I don't even think that you're against vetting people from foreign countries, if I remember correctly.
Of course not.
I want an orderly immigration process.
But I I don't want to leave the before I get to my willingness to compromise with you and people who hold your much stronger or harder line views than I do.
I want to deal with uh what uh Governor Patrick has said.
He and others like him are using the Molly Tibbett's case, this horrible murder by this savage uh uh person who happens to be or may not be undocumented.
Would they care if he wasn't an immigrant?
Uh you know, what about this uh this father in Colorado, a contemporaneous case?
He kills his pregnant wife, an unborn child, he kills his other two small children.
Was there even a whisper from uh Dan Patrick and his ilk about the Colorado uh case?
What if that Colorado father was an undocumented immigrant?
My God, it would be uh there would be lynching.
It is this this is not the way to solve the problem of the eleven, twelve, thirteen million undocumented immigrants in this country.
But I say this, and I say this with all the vigor in my heart.
The this has to be handled compassionately, pragmatically, and the vast majority of this population are the same.
Well, before I get to Selena, let me ask one more question.
As it relates to the estimated, and I don't think anybody knows the real number, eleven million.
Let's let's use that number for now.
As it relates to those that are in this country and in here illegally, and and maybe some from when they were young.
Uh, what about the idea that they, if if they want to stay, they have to provide to the country the evidence that they are, you know, people that love the country, here to stay, want to be part of the American family, not involved in any activities that would otherwise that we don't need to invite into the country.
Is that we have a right to know everybody who is in this country, documented or undocumented.
The United States has a right to know who is here.
I think that uh if we would give them a yellow card, uh yell not a green Card, a yellow card that protects them from deportation and arrest, and let them come to the every Walmart parking lot in this country.
You come here, you get fingerprinted, you get photographed.
Uh if you have no crimes in your record in your home country or here, uh you've been working, you're a si you have citizen children, you have a citizen wife, then we're gonna give you a pathway to normalcy, a pathway uh to uh at least a green card, if not a pathway to eventual citizenship.
But if you don't show up or if we check you out and you and you refuse to pay a fine, refuse to wait your turn, then we're gonna throw your ass out or we're gonna put you in jail.
There is a way to solve this this jingoistic uh uh lieutenant governor of cali of uh Texas, and I look forward to the debate on the Hannity program, the number one cable rated uh uh program uh in in this in the world.
I I look forward to debating him because i what he is doing is stirring up hatred and fear.
Well, let me stand up for him too.
I I think he feels like a lot of Americans we are uh fed up.
You know, the there are innocent people that are dying and in and horrible crimes committed, Geraldo, and you know I've been down to the border twelve times, and I've seen the drug warehouses and the tunnels and we've seen the human trafficking.
You know, h it it's like Kate Steinley, now we have Molly Tibbetts, but when I was down there and sat through uh a briefing, Selena with Rick Perry, the governor at the time, there were six hundred and forty-two thousand crimes committed in a seven year period of time against Texans by illegal immigrants, some of them trivial, but some of them included murder.
Um and the only point that I think that you know I would say is that people are frustrated because this is needless death.
Right.
I mean, look, in in the people that I interviewed not only just for the Great Revolt, uh, which isn't like an inside look at the different archetypes of voters that the uh that the main street media did not pick up in understanding who was going to vote for Trump, but also my daily reporting across the country, you know, people are frustrated because of uh you know on a number of levels.
First of all, safety and security.
You know, they believe that while they believe that most people that cross the border are not criminals, you know, they understand they're coming here because we do have the best country in the world, and we do have amazing opportunities.
But that there the the it's impossible when the the crossings are illegal to be able to filter out and say, well, these are the good guys and these are the bad guys.
And so they worry about the safety, they worry about security, and and they they also believe in the rule of law.
Most people in this country, it doesn't matter what race they are, what gender they are, they they they most people follow the law, and they expect the same thing from other people's in people in their communities or in the state or whatever or within the country.
And so they find it very frustrating to, you know, spend their lives doing the right things and following the laws, and and they see other people sort of not yet by without doing that, and and they believe that that is not only unfair, but it also has a lot of sort of pressure on social services, and and that in the end of the day, they end up paying for that.
You know, Haraldo, what's your reaction to it?
I mean, it th there is at some point, what about the people if they came into this country or they're in this country illegally, and you're talking about we do investigations, they can be very expensive.
Should people have to pay for their own investigations?
Why not?
And I have absolutely no disagreement with uh the previous speaker.
Everything she said, I agree with.
But I I say this and I say it again.
Every survey, every investigation, every look from the Pew Foundation, uh to uh the New York Times, everyone who investigates the actuality as opposed to the hysteria comes to the same conclusion.
Undocumented immigrants commit fewer crimes per capita than citizens do.
In other words, when you have undocumented immigrants per capita in your community, it is more likely to make it safer than to make it more dangerous.
To fear monger and to portray them all as MS 13 or as this scumbag from Iowa is is so cruelly uh But but Haraldo, I don't see people doing what you're saying.
I think people Because they because we've made them fear we've made them so fearful.
And they it for first of all you know that Texas and the whole Southwest used to belong to Mexico.
After the United States conquered Mexico, first Texas won in eighteen thirty-six and then the war of uh eighteen forty six and forty-seven, we took that territory.
But after Are you making the case that it's Mexico's territory now?
I I I think that would they come they've come across the border and gone home and come to the city.
What is the name of that movement?
The uh as long uh there's there's a movement in California that that thinks that all these states should be given to Mexico.
You do know that.
That's ridiculous.
That's that's stupid, but I think that we have to remember the special relationship that exists between Canadians, Americans, and Mexican.
But I think the president understands that too.
I I actually would predict that there's gonna be at some point new trade agreements with Mexico and with Canada that are gonna be that are gonna be fair for both sides, free and open trade, and a much better deal than what we have with NAFTA.
You you are a conservative and you're you can be hardlined, Sean, but you're also a reasonable person and you're a patriot.
And both of us share a love of the forty the embattled forty-fifth president, regardless of everything.
100%.
I know listen, I know you love your country.
I and I I we most we agree on a lot of this stuff.
You have this situation.
You're not gonna round up all these people.
That that's what's destroyed the reputation of ICE.
It's not ICE going after the drug cartels or MC.
ICE is doing their job though.
That is the of the African picker in the middle of the night.
But wait a minute.
But the the difference is is that we are a nation of laws.
The one person and I would argue that what Donald Trump did with Obama didn't do, uh there was separation of families under Obama and under George W. Bush.
And it was it was Donald Trump that stopped it.
Uh but with that said, you do need laws and you need a comprehensive plan.
And even though the president had offered, you know, things that I would think that everybody would want, including, you know, the president is is literally offering to those kids that are here an opportunity to stay, and even then the Democrats want to politicize it because they don't want to pay for the wall.
I I I think that the uh the election of 2016 mattered.
Elections matter.
A majority of people in the states that had those electoral votes voted for President Trump and his policies.
I get that.
One of his his signature policy was the border wall.
If you saw uh the uh stories in the Times and elsewhere last week about Spain and its border with Morocco, uh the Spanish enclaves in North Africa, and you see the big fence.
Every country has a fence.
Countries ha should have fences.
We should have defined borders.
Let the wall begin.
Uh the Democrats a few years ago were all all in favor of it.
I don't care about the wall.
They really don't show them.
But what I cared about is fairness for the first of all for the dreamers, for youngsters who were brought here at a very early age.
But Selena, the president offered that.
The president put it on a silver platter and they rejected it for political purposes.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, it was it was uh I think what's really interesting it you in writing the Great Revolt, which is the only book about the people who actually put him in office.
When we went back and did a survey with Trump only voters, we found that the top four reasons why they voted for him of the top uh the i there were there are four of them.
The first three were all economic and they are all at about thirty percent.
Ummigration and the wall, while they wanted it, was only at seven percent.
It wasn't the biggest priority.
So I think that it is an important thing to these valuers.
It is part of why they as some of them uh did not vote for someone who shared their values but shared their priorities.
But I think a lot of this support for Trump is economic and culturally based.
We gotta take a break, Selena.
Stay right there.
Uh more with Selena Zito, author of a brand new book.
It's called The Great Revolt inside the Populist Coalition Reshaping American politics.
Geraldo Rivera, also author of the Geraldo Show, more on the other side.
All right, as we continue, Geraldo Rivera and also Selena Zito, Selena's new book, The Great Revolt Inside the Populist Coalition Reshaping American uh politics What do you think of at some point do we have to blame individuals that are against enforcing the law for when instances like Molly Tibbetts or Kate Steinley happened?
I mean I think it does have to go and come back to the politicians so I mean look you know all these organizations you know report things the way they report things but But I I think that the uh you know, and things are a little hot, and he got really hot during that during that interview, and I think he handled it rather in artfully when he segued to Geraldo.
I think he was more interested in debating him, the merits of of his viewpoints rather than his being an accomplice.
But another n n nonetheless, um I I think that the responsibility does fall on the politicians.
I mean, not as accomplices, but in not being able to do what people play put them in office for.
It's one of the things that is like incredibly frustrating for a voter, right?
They keep trying to send Washington a message with their vote, and Washington keep ignoring it.
And and one on one of those issues is is immigration security borders.
What do you think happens in 75 days from now, Selena?
I'm not convinced there is a blue wave.
You know, I'm not saying they're not going to win seats.
They're definitely not going to win C. But I think we're somewhere between 2006, where they m where the Democrats might win 30 seats, they might not even hit the majority.
Or 2010, where the Republicans had a tsunami um over the the Democrats only in reverse.
I don't see that happening.
There's too much here.
We'll also get some calls in in this final hour.
800 941 Sean is our number.
Geraldo Rivera, Selena Zito, 800 941 Sean.
Quick break, right back.
We'll continue.
All right, 25 now till the uh top of the hour, 800 941 Sean is our number.
Continuing our debate, Heraldo Rivera, Fox News legal analyst, author of the uh number one uh bestseller, the Geraldo Show.
Selena Zito has just come out with a great book.
I'm reading it now, uh, The Great Revolt, the inside the Populist Coalition Reshaping American Politics.
And uh, if you're just joining us, Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick of Texas uh saying about news media and people that have been unw willing to solve the immigration problem and build a wall and support securing American borders, saying that basically they're aiding and abetting uh in the innocent deaths like we saw this past week and finding this body of this young Iowa college student, 20 years old, beautiful girl, Molly Tibbetts.
And of course, it brings up memories of what happened with uh Kate Steinley and and sadly so many other innocent people that have been killed by others that have entered this country illegally or overstayed their visas illegally and not respecting American law and American sovereignty, uh, and how big an issue that this is going to be in 75 days.
Uh Geraldo, I will say, knowing you, and and I know there are just to go back to what I know about you, I know you care about the issue, but I also think and I don't know why you got sort of blocked in with some of these people on the hard left that want to eliminate ice, want open borders.
You know, we know that Congressman Ellison is one that's saying, you know, we want he dreams of a country with zero borders.
Uh if we don't have border security, and if we don't know who's coming in and out of this country, we are inviting nothing but trouble.
And it means that, you know, I've been down there enough to see all the drugs that are coming into this country.
I've been to the drug warehouses.
I have we know the crime statistics.
I sat with Governor Perry in the middle of a meeting about such six hundred and forty-two thousand crimes committed in against Texans in a seven-year period, including many violent crimes, including murder.
Uh some of them were petty crimes, but a lot of them, these are real crimes against real American citizens.
Now, you have over time conceded, okay, if you want to pay for the wall, you want to build the wall, you're cool with that.
Now the question is, I think our only big area of disagreement has been, you know, what about the 11 million?
What about the dreamers?
Um, I don't disagree with you we should be a compassionate country, especially for younger people or people that were young when they came here, maybe now they're adults.
Um I'm I'm not talking about good banging on doors and and pulling people out of their homes at night and sending them back on a plane.
No, they're not doing that.
No, they're not Marshawn.
You can't you can't hide the fact that ICE is going uh into uh private homes and taking mom out and dad out or picking them up at the store in the courthouse.
I mean, it's just outrageous.
This is the fact that that cannot be ignored.
This whether wherever you stand on the ideological spectrum, the science of it does not lie.
The vast majority of this population is otherwise law abiding and they commit fewer crimes than citizens do.
They take care of our babies, they mow our lawns, they wash our dishes, they process poultry and those disgusting plants, they meet pack and those other disgusting plants, they pick uh the fruits and the vegetables.
But you're describing my grandparents and you're describing it with the.
Of course you are.
And also described the reaction to the Irish in the nineteenth century.
No, no, no.
But I think they have the same conversation.
I will say Irish just 150 years ago.
Listen, when my grandparents got here in Boston and New York, it was Irish Catholic, they not apply.
I have one of those signs from back in the day.
I I I it's not what IC like for example, we have sanctuary cities that literally are aiding, abetting, and protecting that known criminals and some violent criminals that when they're finished with their jail terms, they will not hand them over to federal officials for deportation.
That is that in that sense, Lieutenant Patrick is right.
That they're literally now creating a very dangerous situation by letting violent people at times back into the community because they refuse to enforce federal immigration laws.
And they refuse to allow ICE to do their job and support federal immigration laws.
To give people an opportunity to come out of the shadows, if you couple it with the border wall, the president made that offer.
Selena, I think that could be worked out, but you can't have these cities saying we're not we're gonna take all the federal dollars we can get, but we're not going to enforce federal laws.
Well, if they do that to me, they should surrender whatever money is they're getting from the federal government.
Right.
And I and and uh I uh a lot of people, you know, I would I would argue the majority of people believe that you know that that it's important to enforce the law.
It's not it it's not good governing to to single out a certain part of society and say you don't have to follow the law.
It not only is it not good because of security reasons in case they you know are not people um uh of moral ground, right?
Like they're gonna commit a crime, but also it just makes other people resentful of them.
It doesn't help assimilate and make them more part of the community because they get special treatment.
I mean, they're not helping anybody by doing by doing that.
And and it's again, it's part of the sort of frustration with both political parties in how they have um uh handled this situation.
Uh whether they have designated their their town, their town or their city in the sanctuary city, but also if they have not um uh uh sub gone to Washington and voted in and represented their district as opposed to representing their party.
And and I think that that is why I I would argue that that's why both parties are unhappy with their established esta establishment figures, and I don't I still don't think we understand, meaning the political class understands exactly how voters feel about the decisions they do and do not make on the votes that they do and do not take.
Geraldo, your answer to that.
Absolutely no disagreement with uh with what she just said.
I think that uh she is spot on and very pragmatic.
I am also pragmatic.
We build the wall.
The wall has they could have the Sean Hannity door, it could have the Geraldo Rivera door, we vastly increase the number of temporary visas, agriculture workers come and go, even let them bring their families.
If that's what it is for the season, they go home.
Uh as soon as they violate the process, you revoke their card and uh, you know, they're out.
There's a way to recognize the historic imperative uh that these people are necessary.
Russia is dying.
Why is Russia dying?
Russia is dying because the population is aging out.
You know, they're having less than uh replacement population, as we would if it was just our core population, our vitality, Sean comes from immigration, over a million people legally a year.
They come with their strong backs or with their brilliant minds, and they go to our uh fabulous universities, and then we tell them they have to go home after they graduate.
Or they come because they were brought here at three years old and they've been here for twenty years.
We say you have to go because you're not a citizen.
But wait, I've been here twenty years, I don't even speak Spanish.
Uh it doesn't matter.
You know, if the there's a way to be practical, there's a way to to be uh uh dignified, there's a way to give people uh the compassion that we're known for and still pragmatically tap into that energy, that intellectual and physical energy.
Who is Google invented by?
Uh you know, uh all of these uh great in innovations.
This we should be uh what the Statue of Liberty says we are.
We should be the uh the clarion call of liberty and g send us your best, send us your fine.
We will make people uh uh an opportunity where they can be uh somebody they can invite they can invent Google, Sean.
Well, you know, look, we can have contributions from everybody.
All right.
Donna Staten Island, uh let's go to you.
You're on with Haraldo and uh Selena Zito.
Uh welcome to the program.
Thanks for checking in.
Hi there, Sean.
Hi, everybody.
What's going on?
What's on your mind today?
Well, I wanted to say that as an American citizen, whether you live in Brooklyn, New York or Brooklyn, Iowa, I think it's only reasonable to expect to be safe within our nation's sovereign borders.
I don't think we're asking too much.
And if part of that means that we have to do a better job vetting who comes into our country, uh we're not being unreasonable by asking that.
I look what about the well that is a good point, Donna.
I mean, what about Haraldo, the idea everyone had such a meltdown over the president's so called travel ban and the legality and constitutionality of it.
But if you come from let's say any country that practices Sharia law, if people grow up in a in a culture with a with a legal system that is the antithesis of ours, where women could be told how to dress, maybe they can't drive,
maybe they can't vote, where marital rape in some of these countries is legal, where gays and lesbians are murdered and thrown off uh roofs uh or hung for being for or who they are, where there is no freedom of religion for Christians or Jews to practice their faith freely and openly.
Um and you want to come here, but you grew up in under that system.
Do we have a right to know how you feel about important issues uh that that are American values?
I I don't know about that.
I think it would be on a case by case basis.
But at this point, what if you come from a part?
Wait, let me let me answer you a question.
I'm I'm I noted the treatment of the Irish and later the Italians in the nineteenth century and the early twentieth century.
I note now the treatment of the Mormons in the nineteenth century, how they were driven out and had to escape with their famous uh uh march uh uh through the Midwest all the way until they found their sanctuary in in Utah, uh, because they were thought to be so odd and so out of the mainstream.
And still they're living with the residuals of of that all these many years later.
I think what you do is when it comes to immigration, you'd vet people with uh with uh an eye toward uh skepticism and thoroughness and what's the best available information in uh i when in doubt you leave them out.
Whether they come from a Sharia country or a Catholic country or a Protestant or Buddhist or Hindu or agnostic or tribal, uh, you know, if they are people of good character, they come in here.
Our country moderates that kind of behavior, and by law, Sharia is illegal and anyone practicing it uh w it could be uh arrested, and if they were uh a naturalized citizen or a legal resident or an illegal resident, they could be deported.
But I think we have to be we have to remember that they are the fuel that's that's keeping us that's keeping us great.
I also think that when you take a Molly Tibbett's case, God rest her soul, and what her poor parents must be thinking as they watch her case be politicized.
This is an awful tragedy.
I saw a tweet from one of her for 40 to be From one of her family members, a cousin, who says uh uh said to a prominent conservative commentator, get her name out of your mouth.
Our family uh is uh uh an equal opportunity.
I'm paraphrasing is an equal opportunity, open-minded family.
We don't uh distinguish between one group and another group, uh we just see good people and bad people.
That's what I want America to do.
See good people, but I think Americans understand that.
But my listen and white people.
I don't I but most Americans, and this infuriates me, Selena, every two and four years, this phony BS narrative that Republicans are racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, uh, they want dirty air water, they want to kill uh kill children and throw granny over the cliff.
It's all lie.
You're a conservative, Selena.
I've been a conservative my entire life.
I don't know those people in the conservative movement.
I don't ever want to meet them or know them.
They are the antithesis of what I believe.
But if you grow up in a culture with values that are the antithesis of our values, American values, we can't force other countries to adopt, you know, our our uh constitutional republic as as their own.
But if you grow up in a country that systematically abuses women, gays and lesbians, Christians and Jews, and that's all you've known your whole life, and you want to come to this country.
Where do you go from there?
Well, I mean, I think um uh at least the people that I interview and I've gone to all 49 states, driven to every one of them.
Uh I just can't drive to Hawaii, so until I figure that one out.
But people expect a vigorous uh screening of whoever's coming to this country.
I'm gonna have to leave it there because we're running out of time.
But uh Selena, thank you.
Selena Zito, great revolt inside the populist coalition reshaping America.
Haraldo, look forward to having you and the lieutenant governor on, and I will just be a fair arbiter in that debate.
Let you both go at it, and uh we'll let our audience maybe we'll put up a poll who wins the debate afterwards.
Uh, we look forward to that.
Thank you for your time as always, sir.
That's all the time we have for today.
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