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This is Jonathan Gillam.
And happy Independence Day, one day early.
Man, it is good to be back with you all here filling in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
This is the radio show that everyone listens to that wants the truth, that wants to know exactly what's happening, that wants to partake in a team atmosphere.
Lauren, this is a team atmosphere, is it not?
Yes.
This is a team atmosphere, is it not?
Absolutely sorry.
I couldn't hear you for a second there.
Way to go team a team that doesn't agree with each other.
I'm a team of one, evidently today.
No, but here listen, folks.
When you're a SEAL, you only need to be a team of one.
That's right.
And so let's go ahead and let me introduce myself to those of you that uh that aren't familiar with who I am.
I fill in for Sean from time to time.
I fill in for David Webb and Andrew Wilkow and Sirius XM Patriot Channel.
And uh I've had my own show called The Experts on Facebook Live, Twitter, and YouTube.
Unfortunately, YouTube decided to uh ban me from YouTube because I criticized David Hogg a while back.
I think I could do it again now, but I took a step away from social media because uh, like in the case of Facebook, like uh happened to Diamond and Silk, I was reaching over a million people a night, and then all of a sudden it went down to about 3,000 people a night uh all at the same time.
And uh, and then I also wrote a book called Sheep No More, The Art of Awareness and Attack Survival, and uh that book was soaring uh to the top of Amazon's charts, and and uh, you know, Sean Hannity wrote the forward for me in that book, and some reason, strangely, uh the book in one day went from a uh in the top 100 uh down to the top 1000 and then quickly went down and down and down.
But every time I host this show, it goes back up, but unlike other books, it goes back down.
I can't help but think that all these things are connected in social media uh and with the leftists in this country.
I have been uh a Navy SEAL.
Uh I was uh federal air marshal.
I did security contracting for a very long time with an amazing company uh full of SEALs and special forces, and was an FBI agent here in uh New York City on the uh criminal and counterterrorism sides of the house.
And uh now, you know, I'm doing my uh own thing, writing, um, working in media and uh still working in the security contracting business doing uh threat assessments, which my book uh Sheep No More, The Art of Awareness is based upon.
So that's my background.
That and it's steeped in service.
I didn't uh do these things because I, you know, I I wanted to have a cool haircut and uh and a great watch.
I had hardly even wear a watch anymore since I got out of the military and out of the federal service.
Uh the the point of this is that my motivation was steeped in service.
You know, my mother, who is my hero in life, taught me a long time ago about who I need to be in order to be respected.
She taught me through her actions.
Everybody that knows her and my stepdad at the church where they go Grace Church there in Arkansas in Clinton, Arkansas.
Everybody knows those two, my mom and my stepdad as being the hardest workers in the world.
They do more for people now in their 70s than most people do I don't know in a year.
It's amazing what these two do.
And so as I was planning for today's show, the day before Independence Day, I started thinking, you know, what is it that is missing that we keep seeing in the news that we see that we don't see in the news that we don't see in our politicians that we don't see in the actions of those in Hollywood that we don't see even in our own actions?
And I felt, you know, today would be a good day, not necessarily to break from the news.
There are some things in the news that are that are worth talking about.
But constantly they revolve back into the set of characteristics that I looked upon that my mother taught me that my found that the founding fathers of this country had, and that no longer exist in a lot of ways in this country.
One of those things is dignity.
Does anybody even think about dignity before they post a picture on Instagram or on Facebook or on Twitter?
Is that even something that is in their mind when they post that selfie or that picture or that funny thing?
Because quite often, if you were to look at the series of things that people post, the last thing that you're going to say to yourself is, man, that person has got a lot of dignity.
They've got morals.
That's a person that I want to listen to, not just look at.
Now I'm starting with you.
I work my way up into this family tree of destruction in this country.
Dialogue and debate.
Is that something that we have anymore in this country?
The founding fathers, when they created the Constitution, when they when they crafted the Declaration of Independence, it came with great dialogue.
It wasn't just somebody sending out a tweet, somebody that was putting a post on a social media platform, giving their opinion.
These things came at great cost and dialogue and debate.
And that's how they came up with the answers of the very doctrine, the very sheets of paper that still guide us in this country 242 years after it was formed.
Debate, dialogue.
That is what got the country to this.
That's not what happens anymore.
It's listening to me.
Notice me.
I have this to say.
I'm right.
This is my opinion on it.
Instead of, what do you think?
I think it should be this way.
Now I'll give you your turn, and you can say, and then I can tell you why I think yours isn't right, and you can tell me why you think mine isn't right, and then we can come to a conclusion as to what's best for the country.
You don't see that.
Sacrifice.
How many people sacrifice for their country in this in the United States today?
Only one percent of the citizenry serves in the military.
There's only about a million police officers in a country with 330 million more or less.
Selflessness is what it's the motivation, it's the foundation of service.
You know, in World War II, upwards of 70% of all the politicians in this country were veterans.
Now it's around 20% more or less, it fluctuates a little bit.
I find that shocking.
And also when we used to look at the movie stars and the people in Hollywood, we would we noted, we would see that they themselves were veterans.
Many of them were veterans and served throughout the war in one way or another, supporting the war effort.
You don't see that anymore.
You see nonprofits, you see people making money off of and paying themselves a paycheck to support the troops.
Or I don't support the war, but I support the troops.
All the while they're not even looking at the reality of what's going on and why we're at war.
And I'm not just talking about Hollywood people.
I'm talking about politicians, activists.
I talk about people on the street.
Some of the people that are listening to this show.
So I got to ask everybody as we begin this show.
And as you're driving down the road, as you're sitting on the beach somewhere, or you're preparing to leave tomorrow for this holiday.
What part of this struggle of what's going on in this country right now?
242 years after it was crafted by the founding fathers.
What is your part in this struggle?
We talk all the time, daily on this show and in media.
We talk about the mainstream media and the lies that are coming out, and there are lies.
We don't look at the family tree.
We don't look at the reality of socialism and communism.
Socialists are being voted in when they do uh when they do um questionnaires out on the street, polls of young people, they sub a vast majority of them support socialism.
They don't even understand the reality of what it is.
And this is what kills me.
They are children of parents who didn't understand it.
They didn't necessarily support it like these kids do now, but they didn't they didn't study it.
They floated through life in freedom.
And so now many of them are parents, they're in the media, they're in entertainment, and they have failed at their jobs of raising their children to understand what the the 4th of July, they just call it the 4th of July, not Independence Day.
They neglect to understand what that actually is.
And so that's what I'm gonna try to help you all out with today.
We're gonna talk a little bit more about the dignity that existed in our founding fathers, the dialogue, the debate, the sacrifice, the selflessness that these individuals had, and how it directly affects on the headlines that you see today in the news.
The lack of veteran service, the lack of politicians that are focused on what's best for the country and strictly on what's best for their party.
As I read to you when we come back, I'm gonna read to you part of the Declaration of Independence.
You, if you've never read this or heard it, you're going to be shocked.
And if you believe that socialism is a good thing, if you believe that communism is a good thing, you need to hear this.
Because history, if you don't protect the very freedom that you've been given, history will repeat itself.
So that's what we're gonna do today.
We're going to educate you a little bit.
And we are going to show you, America, what dignity is all about.
We're going to remind you of that.
How you have dialogue and debate, and what the true cost of sacrifice really is.
Stay tuned.
This is going to be an amazing show.
And as you're driving down the road, I want you to say a prayer and thank those that have given their lives for you for this independence and the founding fathers that went out of their way, their comfort zone, put themselves last for your freedom.
Go get my book, Sheep No More, The Art of Awareness and Attack Survival.
It's available on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, anywhere that you can uh get books.
And it's my gift to you is a step in the right direction of awareness, of empowerment, so that you can get away from learned helplessness.
This is Jonathan Gillam.
This is the Sean Hannity Radio Show, and we are just getting started.
We'll be right back.
This is Jonathan Gillam back in on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
Man, we are all over the place.
You're on Terrestrial Radio, you're on Sirius XM Patriot Channel, and the call-in number is 800-941-7326.
That's 800-941 Sean.
And I just real quick, uh, I want to talk to you all about something that's gone on uh that's happened uh last Friday.
Uh I've gotten to know some of the uh the people from uh Eric uh Eric Church's band, uh Eric Church himself, those of you that follow country music, uh one of the most talented artists that there is out there and has been in country music.
And unfortunately, uh, his brother passed away uh last Friday evening.
And I just wanted to say that uh they have a um a Brandon E. Church Memorial Scholarship Fund.
I'm gonna put that on Twitter and on Facebook, and uh I want you all to think about this because what the money uh was going to be raised to to do is bless others and in honor of Brandon's life.
And uh they're gonna start a uh scholarship fund with this to bless other people.
I want you to think about as you're driving down the road uh in this independence day, the freedom that we have.
You know, you're the taxpayers in this country.
You you are so powerful.
The taxpayers are so powerful in this country.
It's what makes this country go forward.
The things that you do for veterans, the donations that you give, the things that you do as a whole, as a citizenry, literally change the world and support freedom all over the globe.
I don't know if you realize that or not.
It's one of the the defining things that this citizenry can actually stand and say, here's evidence of how powerful the people of the United States are.
It's not the government that is giving the money to other people in other countries.
It's you, the the American taxpayers are the ones that provide that money so that we can help others and so that we can have a the strongest military in the world so that we can be the superpower so that you can be protected and so the government can continue to run your roads, all these things are done because of you.
And as as we go on and we're gonna talk about this some more, I want you to realize that that is what makes this country great.
And that's what the founding fathers uh intended was for the citizenry to work together to make things great.
And so uh as uh we're gonna go to a break here in just a second.
I want you to remember the Brandon E. Church Memorial Scholarship.
I'll talk some more about this throughout the day and probably on Friday as well.
Um pull out your uh your pocketbooks and donate to this.
Help them uh give money to others so that uh uh they can help others out with this scholarship in remembrance of Brandon Church.
It's an amazing thing.
So we're gonna we're gonna take a break here in just a second.
And uh as we do, and as you're driving down the road, I want you to continue to focus as I'm talking about today.
What is your role as a citizen?
What is the role of the citizenry?
How do we work together?
And this is what we're gonna concentrate on for the rest of this show.
Now, one other thing before we go.
I'm also gonna be playing, and I've gotten to know these guys uh quite well.
Um, Jeff Hyde is uh one of the musicians with uh Eric Church's band.
And uh I'm gonna play a couple cuts when we come back.
I'm gonna play a uh a cut from his uh new CD, Norman Rockwell World.
You can get that on uh on iTunes.
You can get it at uh Jeff Hyde Music.com.
Go you're not gonna be disappointed in his music.
And uh as you can see, I'm a huge country music fan.
I uh I'm I think you guys are as well.
I'm a huge country music fan.
I grew up in Arkansas, it's kind of it's like the law.
And we have to be uh country music fans.
But here's a little Eric Church as we go out and remember the Brandon E. Church Memorial Scholarship Fund.
You can find that online and go and donate as a uh try to raise money in uh in honor of him.
This is Jonathan Gillam on the Sean Hannity Radio Show, 800-941-7326.
We'll be right back.
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This is Jonathan Gillam back in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
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That's 800-941-7326.
If you're driving down the freeway right now on your way to your 4th of July holiday, if you're at home getting packed or you're not going anywhere, um, call in and I'm gonna want to hear from you eventually.
All right.
So don't think that I'm just gonna be talking the entire time.
I'm actually going to be uh wanting to talk to you and hear what you think about uh all the things that are going on in this country now as opposed to the way the founding fathers would have intended it to be.
And that's what I want to I want to kind of talk to you guys a little bit right now about uh the Declaration of Independence.
I was reading something earlier when I was trying to seek out exactly why the founding fathers, what their motivation was for leaving uh Europe and uh striving to have this country and all the things we always hear about, you know, people always saying I'm constitutional or I'm conservative or I'm liberal, all these, they're throwing all these different things out there, and people say that they believe that the founding fathers wanted this.
Some people say they think the founding fathers were wrong, they think the Constitution is a living breathing document.
Here's why I do not believe that the Constitution was a living breathing document, just like I don't believe that the Bible is something that was uh uh just written by men, inspired by God, I believe it was the hand of God that literally wrote what he wants you to see and to study.
It's a literal wording.
And I think the Constitution is the same way.
Now, when I look at the Declaration of Independence, and I start looking at exactly how it was written.
Most people don't even, they can't even uh to they don't even know any of the declaration of independence.
They just know one line, uh, and that is uh we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal and that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Now, many people, when they get in front of Congress or they give a speech, they will mistake the Declaration of Independence for the Constitution.
The Declaration of Independence is just that.
It's the declaration of our independence from Great Britain and from a king and a prince that were, in their words, a tyrant.
But here's what blows me away.
Just like when you read the Bible and you hear the same people fighting then that are fighting now, and people say, ah, the Bible's not true, but yet the same people, since that book has been around for thousands and thousands of years, there is truth in it because things are still happening now that were talked about then.
And when you look at the Declaration of Independence, this is what will blow your mind.
When we scroll down on the Declaration of Independence, and we start to see that uh the things that they were fleeing from are the same exact things that are causing problems in this country today, here.
Two hundred and forty-two years after the country was created.
In the Declaration of Independence, it says that the history, and I'm quoting here, the history of the present king of Great Britain, this is back then, 242 years ago, is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states to prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.
So they submitted the facts of their argument to the world.
Now it would be via Twitter or Facebook or something like that or mainstream media.
But listen to some of the things, I'm not gonna read them all.
Listen to some of the things that they are saying actually occurred.
He refuses, he has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
So in other words, this king would not allow laws to be created that actually did good for the people, that were actually for the people that were wholesome and necessary for the public good.
Now, if that doesn't hit you up the side of the head thinking about all that's going on in politics right now, you need to take a break.
Start looking at the Democrat and Republican parties and look at how Washington works.
I mean, people in Washington will tell you it doesn't work because they don't have the most wholesome and necessary concept of what is good for the public.
It's all about the party.
And in many cases, it's all about the ideology.
Many socialists, many communists, covert communists.
Many people who just do not have any care in the world for what is best for the country outside of what is best for their ideology or their narrative or their concept of what the government should be, not what it was intended to be.
He has for uh forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance.
Now I want you to think about that.
When they're talking here in the Declaration of Independence, they're talking about a king.
When I'm talking about a modern day, I'm talking about politicians and the two parties, the two-party system that we have.
We have no real uh separation of powers in this country.
It doesn't matter if it's Congress or the Senate or uh the judicial branch, the Supreme Court, and all the federal courts in the system, it doesn't matter.
They are all the exact same two parties.
And if you think one politician is going to venture too far away from what their party's narrative is, it's not going to happen.
The mainstream media is involved in this same game.
So we're big money brokers.
So is Hollywood, power people.
And so what do they do?
They they forbid their own to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance.
Look at immigration.
Look at the president trying to change immigration and saying exactly why he wants to change it.
And yet the rhetoric, the mainstream media, all these different people have twisted it in such a way that you can't even determine what the truth is unless, which most people won't do, you listen and read exactly what the president is saying.
And that's because where we had a king 242 years ago, now we have two political parties that are on the verge of tyrannical behavior, and in many cases not on the verge, have actually shown their behavior to be tyrannical.
He's uh the king, 242 years ago, called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public records for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
Now, if that doesn't remind you of what's happening in government now, where you have something that is right, you have something that needs to be done, a wall needs to be built, immigration needs to be looked at, the way we fight wars needs to be reconsidered, and yet they will go and they'll filibuster.
They'll go and they'll go to the media and they will put out narratives that are not true.
They're doing that for the exact same reason that this tyrannical king did 242 years ago to fatigue us into not caring and saying there's nothing we can do anyway, and then they have exactly what they want.
He hasn't he had endeavors back 242 years ago to prevent the population of these states for the purpose of obstructing the laws of naturalization of foreigners, refusing to pass others to encourage their migration to this country.
Now, you may think, well, that's obviously President Trump, but I'm going to challenge you there.
The president is trying to set up an immigration policy that does encourage the right people to come here.
I'm not just talking about people who have PhDs, I'm talking about people who want to come here and be free.
But there has to be a system to do that.
And where you think that the Democrat Party wants that, that leftists want that, they don't want that.
They want to flood the country of as many people as possible for their own ideological reasons, not to get the right people here.
This king, 242 years ago, as written in the Declaration of Independence, obstructed the administration of justice by refusing his assent to laws for establishing judiciary powers.
I mean, look at the Ninth Circuit Court, look at the way leftists work in this country.
I mean, it goes on and On when we look at what was written in the Declaration of Independence and they give the facts and state the facts as to why they were trying to break away or were breaking away from those tyrannical behaviors by this king in Great Britain.
You see the exact same same thing today.
I can go through all of these headlines and I can show you proof.
Better yet, you go through the headlines, and with this in mind, you will see exactly this a declaration of independence is not long.
Go back and read this and you will see that the exact same game is being played on you today.
So don't just go and look at it and pick out the one thing that you want.
We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain and uninalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Everybody loves that.
But they fail to scroll down further and look at the reasons why our founding fathers declared their independence and fought to get away.
So we need to go back, as I always say, back to the future.
We need to go back to that mindset and understanding not just what they created for us here, but what they were fleeing and why the founding fathers felt that it was important to do it right using the dialogue and the debate and the sacrifice and the service and the selflessness.
I think we have that cued up.
Jeff Hyde's Norman Rockwell World.
If you get his CD, it's uh it's number seven, track seven.
Go ahead.
We'll be right back on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
There's two boys skipping stones on a lazy river bank.
Mama's cooking in the kitchen.
Supper tables giving thanks.
And grandpa stands fine as all is on firm.
They're on the front old trucking in a normal rockwell world.
Once again, that's Jeff Hyde.
You can find that on iTunes or if at Jeff Hyde Music.com.
Go get it.
The whole CD is great.
And to get my book, Sheep No More, The Art of Awareness and Attack Survival.
It's available on Amazon, Barnes and Noble.
You and your family should all be reading this so you can be safer and do threat assessments on your own life.
I teach you how to do that.
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This is Jonathan Gillum back in for my buddy Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
And right there, you were hearing Eric Church, one of my favorites, and I've gotten to know some of the people that work uh with him and the musicians that play with him, and just an amazing group of people, including Eric hisself.
And unfortunately, his brother passed away uh last Friday, and they have a memorial set up.
It's the Brandon Church Memorial Scholarship Fund.
You can see that I posted it on Twitter and on Facebook under Jonathan T. Gilliam and on Twitter at uh JGilliam underscore seal.
And you can go and check those out and donate.
Uh, we need to get as much money in there as we can so that they can uh build up this scholarship fund in his name uh to bless others uh in uh in honor of his life.
So let's do that.
That's the Brandon Church Memorial Scholarship Fund.
And uh we're gonna come back here in a few minutes.
We're gonna talk a little bit more uh in the next hour about the history of the United States.
I want to talk uh with uh Kirby Wilbur when we come back.
We're gonna talk about uh the the founding fathers and what their mindset was versus now, what the the independence day is all about, and then also my good buddy, you may know him, Ron Bellon.
He is uh the host of Reaper Outdoors Survive the Hunt.
It's on Mondays at nine on the Pursuit Channel.
He's gonna be coming on to talk about being in the the lineage of the founding fighters, and that's something that we don't normally discuss.
I mean, you you have to realize if you're a veteran out there right now, you are in the direct lineage of those men, and I would have to say women, probably in those days and age, uh, women that gave their lives, maybe not on the front line, but definitely in the fight and keeping their home safe.
You are in the direct lineage of those men.
And that's incredible when you think about it.
242 years ago when they were fighting for their independence.
When you put on the uniform, when you put on your boots, when you sign up and raise your right hand and swear to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, you are doing that in direct lineage of those who founded this country.
I I just I don't think that the military and the recruiters push that enough so that you can actually see that you're a part of history.
I'm pretty fascinating when you when you think about it.
So we come back we're going to talk about that.
I'm also eventually going to get to my book a little bit to talk about Sheep No More, the Art of Awareness and Attack Survival.
And then later on we'll have Greg Jarrett come in and we're going to talk about kind of reversing the role what today is all about and how things have evolved today.
So 800 941 7326 800 941 7326.
This is John the Gillam Navy SEAL Federal Air Marshal FBI special agent filling in for my good buddy Sean Hannity and go to the Brandon Church Memorial Scholarship Fund and donate in honor of Brandon Church.
Let's listen to a little bit more Eric as we go out.
Sweet stay this is Jonathan Gillam, your resident Navy SEAL and FBI special agent here on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
Call in number as you you should know you should have this memorized by now 800 941 7326 800 941 for those of you that like to spell numbers and I'm going to get to the calls eventually don't worry if you're on hold I'll get to you.
But we can just have a lot in this show and had a lot to say in the first hour.
But now you know I I'm listening I'm not a historian.
I mean I've I've read a lot I've I've studied the Constitution and the founding fathers have a degree in political science and psychology.
I've studied what motivated the founding fathers to come here and to do these things.
But when I was talking to Lauren about who I should set up for this segment she mentioned Kirby Wilbur.
He's a KVI talk radio host he has a degree in history from the University of Washington and taught homeschooled high school students American history and American government and economics for 20 years.
Today he's going to join us right now to talk about the Fourth of July and I want to get his perspective on what the founding fathers intended and what we have morphed into.
So Kirby welcome and uh and thanks for uh being here and and teaching these young people about the reality of what this country's all about.
I just don't think that we get that enough.
Well thanks Jonathan uh no we don't and I've been honored to teach these kids for some twenty years and continue to do so having radio job you can kind of manipulate your daytime schedule so I've I've got the honor of teaching these kids and their parents trust me.
And it's very important for us to understand where we came from and why we came from there to understand where we are now and where we're going.
Where are where okay where did we come from that's let's start with that.
We came from a group of very dedicated men who had character and courage and conviction who believed that it was possible for people to rule themselves that it was no longer necessary or right that a king or a small council or a small number of people would rule the many that humans were endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights and that they have the capacity for self-government and that was the moral way to go and that's what the American War of Independence was about self-government.
Now I read earlier I don't know if you're listening I read earlier some of the declaration independence and most people don't get past uh the phrase about the unal inalienable rights that all men are created equal they they failed to go further past that to see what we were fleeing from because they the the founding fathers felt it important to display to the world exactly what was going on.
And uh when we read those things it's remarkable how much of that is going on today but instead of a king it's being caused by two political parties that own every seat of power in governance in the United States.
What we had back then was we had a very prosperous society.
Americans were the most prosperous society in the world British really left us alone for a very long time.
We weren't even heavily taxed Jonathan we were the lightest taxed uh similar society anywhere in the world in the mid-18th century but the British were imposing taxes without our consent and it's important that we remember that the the slogan was no taxation without representation.
It wasn't no taxation.
It was that we were not represented among those who were making the rules for us.
And that's what drove the founding fathers to establish a new nation, dedicated to the idea that we could rule ourselves based on a belief in God, a belief in our rights coming from God, a belief in our ability to govern ourselves, and the idea that government, the purpose of government was to protect our rights, and no other reason.
That's why governments were instituted among men, and that we had the right to change that government should have become destructive of those ends.
And we were changing our government because the government we had had become destructive of the ends of liberty.
You know, it's interesting when as we we I was talking earlier, I was mentioning about uh a friend of mine uh whose brother died, Brandon Church Memorial Scholarship Fund, people can go and donate to that.
But I was um I was talking about the uh the American citizenry, the taxpayers, and how there's only a few things in this country where I think that the citizenry actually does uh act as in the in accordance to the way that the founding fathers intended us to do.
One is when we pay taxes, and that's what really gives us uh our defense, that's what allows us to help the rest of the world and uh and fight against tyranny.
And then also things like when they go, I know this sounds trivial, and I'm sure that the founding fathers weren't thinking of this, but when you go to a sporting event and they play the national anthem and everyone stands together, that is the type of camaraderie and citizenship that they intended.
But what is your your thought process as to how we got away from that?
What was it because we're when you're in freedom and you're bathed in freedom that you become lazy in that freedom, or is it because of other ideologies or other uh forms of government that have secreted their ways into this country?
Well, I think to be free is a struggle, and the founding fathers knew that.
It's not easy to be free in this world, Jonathan, and most of the history of the world we've been slaves or serfs.
People have not been free.
We've only seen this liberty in the past 250 years.
And I always tell my students if you look at the recorded history of the world as roughly 5,000 years, the la if you look at the 12-inch ruler, those last two and fifty years are half an inch.
So for 11 and a half inches of the 12 inches of time, we have been servants and slaves and subjects.
We've not been free citizens.
And the burden of liberty is really hard to carry.
And people get so accustomed to it, I think they get tired of it.
They think this is a natural state.
So many people think that, oh, freedom is liberty is how everyone lives.
No, it's not.
And it's not everyone has lived.
It's a burden.
And the the forefathers saw this, our founding father saw this when Franklin, there was a woman asked him after the constitutional convention in 1787, he was leaving the hall, and a woman said, Dr. Franklin, what have you given us?
And he replied, a republic if you can keep it.
Because the founders looked at this as a great experiment.
Every other attempt at this had failed, and they had no idea whether or not we had the stamina and the conviction to carry this through and have it survive.
And you have our our institutions, academia attacking the very idea of liberty, the very idea of America.
We get trashed in the media.
Uh people don't learn the Constitution, the Declaration anymore.
They don't learn about the Founding Fathers, or if they do, it's all about racism and sexism and classism.
And as you tear down those foundations of this country, a lot of people on the left are like termites.
They'll eat away the foundation, and pretty soon you think the foundation looks very strong because it looks okay from the outside, but the inside is rotted because they've been riding it out.
Most Americans, I think, are very patriotic.
Most Americans appreciate what we have, but over time that commitment wears down and the burden gets heavy, and people want relief, and so they turn to government or turn to other forces, and it slowly erodes.
Now, what do you think if the founding fathers were here?
What do you think they would say that we should do to get back to that?
Because I I personally think that they would look at the two-party political system that we have now as uh detrimental to the to uh the republic.
I think that they would look at it as veering away from the what the Constitution was meant to be.
And I think that they would be wise to look at that and say that these tyrannical powers have morphed into parties rather than one uh supreme leader.
Um I I think that's what they would see.
How would they what do you think their advice would be to us?
I think they would tell Americans to get involved, get involved on two levels.
One, get involved in politics and make sure that you elect people regardless of party of character and conviction, people who commit themselves to the founding principles of America, who understand why government should be limited, who understand why the people are the ones that should be listened to.
The idea of consent to the governed, the idea what government should be small.
I also think they would tell us to get involved in our communities.
Because in the old days, you know, there were no welfare programs, there were no systems of public assistance.
It was you and I helping each other.
A neighbor's barn burned down, we raised it.
Somebody was impoverished, we helped.
Somebody lost their parents, we took them in.
And Americans are involved at the community level on a big level.
But however, we need more because what's happened, we've gotten tired of caring for our neighbor, so we let the government do it.
We have a great homeless problem here in Seattle.
But instead of taking them into our homes and forcing them and compelling them to change their ways and get off drugs, we create a bureaucracy which then exists solely for the purpose of the bureaucracy, what we call the homeless industrial complex.
We need more involvement in America on both the political level and the social level by good citizens who want to carry out the vision of the founders.
And if we get involved, we can take this country back.
We don't get involved, it will fall apart.
Yeah.
Well, that's the problem is I think it's falling so fast that it's um it's difficult to stay ahead of it because most people, as we've stated, don't read the Declaration of Independence, they don't read the Constitution.
And young people, I was seeing a poll the other day that it was over 50% of young people polled are in favor of socialism.
So they don't even understand the reality of the government we have, yet they're in favor of governments that are historically proven to uh be tyrannical.
Every parent's responsibility should be to teach their children what it means to be an American and guide them along the way.
Don't let the schools do it.
You do it.
This week, we should take time with our kids to read the Declaration of Independence.
And Calvin Coolidge, uh, who I think was a great president, gave a speech in 1926 in Philadelphia at the 150th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence.
And that speech, which you can find online, just Google Calvin Coolidge 1926 speech, Declaration of Independence.
He explains the Declaration of Independence in America better than anyone ever has.
Reagan, all the others, coolish has it down.
And if we just read those two documents this week, the parents and explain them to the kids, we can start taking this country back.
But uh liberty is something we have to pass down generation to generation, Jonathan.
And uh, we have to hope enough people get it.
And the parents play a very important role in that.
Yeah, that's definitely that I think definitely if you see the the reality of majority of problems in this country, they stem from a lack of parenting.
People aren't aware enough or people become nefarious in nature because of it, and it just spirals out of control where the bad people always will try to climb to the top in a position of power, and the rest of the people that are aren't educated enough to realize what's going on.
They don't even realize the power that we have as a people.
That's right.
Too many people trust the schools and don't interfere and ask what do you what are you learning in school?
What did you learn today?
They don't interact with their kids.
They assume the schools do a good job.
The advantage I had in teaching homeschoolers is the parents care.
The parents care enough to first stall a second career in many cases to teach their children.
And I was directly accountable to the parents, and that created a great relationship with the kids.
All too often, we don't get concerned with what the kids are learning.
And the stuff they learn in public schools in many cases just isn't right.
Yeah.
Accountability.
That's the thing.
We put people in charge, we don't hold them accountable.
That's right.
Listen, Kirby Wilbur, uh KVI Talk radio host.
Uh you have had a long uh career in teaching the history of this country.
How do people find and follow you?
Uh, they can uh catch us at uh KVI.com or Kirby Wilbur Radio Facebook.
We have Facebook catch Kirby Wilbur Radio or at KVI.com and my email is there.
I'd be happy to answer any questions, contact anybody.
I love interacting with people.
And Jonathan, I want to thank you for your service to this country.
It's because of men like you that we are where we are today, and I thank you for that.
You got it, my friend.
I'm gonna come back with Ron Bell and here in just a minute, retired Master Chief uh from the SEAL teams and one of my greatest mentors in life, and it's gonna be an honor to have him on, following in the footsteps of Kirby as we talk about this and the reality of sacrifice and service.
Um make sure that you go check me out on Twitter, J.Gilliam underscore SEAL and on Facebook at Jonathan T. Gilliam.
And I'm pushing a couple things today.
I really want people to uh to think about this.
Uh go get my book, Sheep No More, The Art of Awareness and Attack Survival.
It's available on Amazon, Barnes and Noble.
It's basically a uh a book that will take your workbook to take you through and teach you and your family how to look at their lives from the attacker's point of view and do threat assessments on your life to build better defenses or mitigate these circumstances.
Schools need this, principals need this, uh, daughters, sons, parents, uh, mayors, the president should have one of these, uh, these books.
Uh Sheep No More, The Art of Awareness and Attack Survival.
And uh again, uh a good friend of mine, uh, Eric Church, uh, the country music singer, his brother passed away on Friday.
Brandon Church Memorial Scholarship has been set up.
You can go and look at that online and donate and help them set up a scholarship fund in uh remembrance of him.
Do that.
And then also, one last thing.
We're gonna play another little bit of snippet of music here in just a minute when we come back from my good buddy Jeff Hyde and his uh his album, Norman Rockwell World.
Go get that album.
We'll be right back.
This is Jonathan Gillam.
We are just uh like that's like disco.
Did we bring in disco back on the John Hannity radio show?
Yeah.
That's gonna go real nicely into what I'm gonna talk about next, the Constitution.
So uh listen, folks, um, my life, my adult life has been it's revolved around service to this country.
I, you know, I wasn't the greatest Navy SEAL, I wasn't the greatest investigator in the FBI.
Um, but I'm not really concerned with whether or not I was the greatest.
I my motivation and the foundation of why I did the things I've done uh has been because of service and selflessness.
I don't want to throw it in people's faces.
Uh I just uh want people to understand that you can actually go out and serve and sacrifice and for those young people who are afraid because they may have to go to war or because uh they're not gonna get rich.
I'm here to tell you.
You will be rich whether or not you get to go to war or not.
You will be rich in uh the uh the most amazing way.
You'll be rich in meaning.
You'll be rich in understanding, you'll be rich in awareness.
And it's very important uh that you remember that and that when you try to make the decisions of your life, that you will think about this service.
And um, I wrote a speech a while back.
I'm not gonna read it right now, but it's uh I'll try to read it before the uh the end of the show.
And it's about uh the perils of freedom.
And it's interesting because when we look at freedom and we look at the fact that we grew up in this free country, we take for granted a lot of the times the things that we wake up to on a daily basis.
A police force that is not out to uh censor you, but uh to but to protect you.
A government that was put in place to ensure your freedoms and your protection, not to make sure that you work for them.
These are things that you wake up to and you don't even realize it because you haven't studied it, because you were born into it.
You wake up in a country where you don't have to be worried about being murdered because of your religious beliefs and your sexuality, your gender.
You live in a country full of opportunity.
You live in a country full of freedom.
So we're gonna come back and we're gonna talk a little bit about those who serve and those and the realization that you are in the direct lineage of those that fought for our freedom.
Jonathan Gillam filled in for Sean Hannity.
Go get my book, Sheep No More, The Art of Awareness and Attack Survival.
We'll be right back.
Well, today you got Jonathan Gillam filling in, or Gilliam, however you.
I say Gilliam because it's hard for people to spell it to if I say Gillam, but Jonathan T. Gilliam, former Navy SEAL, Federal Air Marshal, security contractor, FBI special agent, author, now media personality, and uh worked in a grocery store a long time ago when I was in Arkansas.
I'm from Arkansas, and I give Arkansas a big shout out.
Um I wanted to bring in somebody now that we're we've been talking all day about what the founding fathers Intended, what the reality is of now in this country and the reality of what has happened to the free citizenry and how they've been they've been misguided.
They've gotten skewed as to the reality of how you uh obtain freedom and keep it.
And I couldn't think of anyone better uh to bring in then one of my greatest mentors in life, um Ron Bellin.
Let me just tell you a little bit about this guy.
He's retired Navy SEAL Master Chief.
He's host of the the first and only tactical survival and hunting show, Reaper Outdoors Survive the Hunt.
That's on the Pursuit Channel at 9 p.m. on Mondays.
Um and I'm gonna ask you a little bit about that show here in a minute, Ron.
But Ron was when I was a civilian and I had done my whole package, it took me three years of being turned down to to go into the SEAL teams.
It uh wasn't like it it is now where you have dive motivators and SEAL recruiters.
There was nothing, and my recruiters didn't understand anything about putting in a package.
Nobody had gone uh into the SEAL teams from Arkansas and were trying to go through officer candidate school at that point.
So at this point I had to find a seal to give me my PT test.
So I went down to uh uh below New Orleans where they had a special boat unit and Ron was down there and when he met me at the gate, uh, just to describe what Ron looked like, uh cross between uh Tom Selleck and Sasquatch.
He's about that big.
And he had that he had that Tom Sellick mustache, and I'm like, are you kidding me?
This is what they really look like.
So, you know, I did my PD test, I get in, and then I end up going to SEAL team four, where Ron was at, and he put me through land warfare, and uh we've had and how somehow we've ended up in uh the uh in media at the same time and Ron has had a storied career.
Uh, I would, you know, give my left leg to try to uh recreate the career that he had uh in the SEAL team.
So Ron, uh, thanks for being here.
And I just got a a text.
I can't say his name, but I'll just tell you his code name, Dumpster Dan, uh, Master Chief.
Uh it says hello.
All right, awesome.
You did, Jarvis.
I'm doing good.
But uh listen, I wanted to ask you, you know, you you we all all those who serve, we fall in direct lineage of the founding fighters, not just the founding fathers, but the founding fighters in this country, the ones who fought against tyranny.
What what is it that's going on in this country you think where young people don't want to serve because they don't want to go to war, young people don't want to serve because it's it's not something that they you know is cool, it's uh or they they deem it something that uh that those let those other people go serve.
What has happened to this country um w and their understanding of freedom that uh those of us that serve understand?
What are they missing?
I think it's uh what they're what it is is media.
It's not only media, but the ability to uh of our technology these days to you know the left wing, the left side, whatever you want to call it, is actually you know really good at what they do, and that's getting whatever word they have out on social media or the big time media.
And that's what these young people are listening to.
And it's infiltrated into our education system all the way from elementary school all the way through universities.
And I think uh as I travel the United States and I travel it consistently, and I get to talk to schools and talk to these children, and after I give my spieler, you know, even if they didn't come up and meet me, there's so many good Americans out there.
I just think we're really tainted with the ability of media uh and its outage.
It's uh you know, because it's easy to get to.
Back in the day, World War II, people had to wait for reels to come back and find out what was going on.
Now it's just uh, you know, wake up and look at your phone.
Yeah, and and the things that they're seeing are easily manipulated.
I would turn on LinkedIn the other day.
I'm on all these different social media platforms, and on LinkedIn, uh people post stuff on there.
I don't understand why, but they posted this, you know, a question, what is this?
And the video was of all these car crashes and intersections, but it was just one car and there was nothing there, and it was slamming into something as if they were trying to make people believe that some ghost entity was in the intersection of these places.
And I looked at the first comment and somebody just said editing.
That's it.
It's just edited to make it but there's gonna be people that believe That's reality.
And I can't help but think that the media does the same thing.
Oh, absolutely.
So you look at YouTube, you look at Facebook, and you look at all these things that are supposed to be free speech.
Well, free speech only goes so far, and it's as far left as you can go.
So what that means is like YouTube and Facebook and uh Google, and I can say that with repreammunition.
We have an ammunition company, yet we cannot pay them to advertise.
They actually have ammunition and weapons listed with pornography and illegal drugs.
Wow.
Yeah.
So that's what our young folks are actually seeing.
And you know, just like Parkland then the Parkland shooting happened down in Florida, which is horrible, it's horrific.
You know, they didn't get to see those other kids that were actually, I wish there was somebody with a gun there, and and then and having that law enforcement actually, you know, step up to the plate and say, hey, we were wrong.
Yeah.
No, they went after it with social media and the leftists got a hold of them where they could actually go out and put these kids in front of millions of millions of Americans, if not the world, and say, Oh, it wasn't it had nothing to do with the person who did wrong, it had everything to do with the gun.
Right.
And a gun doesn't jump in someone's hand and do and cause damage.
It's the person behind it.
So that's the problem.
And that's why we look at America like this nowadays, but man, it's really changed.
Well, it hasn't.
Politicians have been crazy since our founding fathers, George Bush, I mean George Bush.
Actually, George Washington said if we divide into two parties, we'll divide this country in half, and eventually it will go back to war.
And it has.
Yeah.
I wonder though if they saw the reality of the tyrannical, I guess that's probably what he was talking about, but the reality of how these two parties have uh actually are using the same tactics as the tyrannical king that they fled from.
It's amazing when you read the Declaration of Independence and the and the bullet points.
Yes, they used bullet points.
That's how I know that these people were military-minded because they used if they would have had uh PowerPoint back then, it would have been a bullet point forum.
And they but they they actually put bullet points to show exactly um what the king was doing.
And it's very similar to what's happening now.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
I mean, look back in history, we had a civil war.
We had revolutionary war, which we fought against ourselves.
It wasn't another, it wasn't the Dutch or the Spanish that came over here and started fighting for America.
It was English, a lot of English, and that started fighting, and we did kind of link up with some French and that because we had to, and Spanish because we had to, because of their naval and getting arms and stuff like that.
But really, it was English against English.
That's what the revolutionary war was.
So in itself, it was a civilian a civil war.
And then you look at our actual civil war that we had, with Lincoln being our first legitimate Republican president, and if I'm wrong, as anybody can correct me, but as our first legitimate Republican president, we had two parties, and look what happened.
George Washington was absolutely right.
And now we look at today, and we got Donald Trump as the president.
Now, one thing he does, I don't care what media stand is out there, they can't just go, oh, he's done great.
No one sat down with the North Korean dictator before and had such an impact that we're having now.
Yeah.
It may or may not come true, but at least he's doing something.
Right.
You know, um, when it was something you we talked about on my show, the experts that uh that I do in the evenings, uh, it's gonna turn into a podcast now.
But um one of the things that we had talked about uh was that you I asked you, I said, what was different when you finally went to war?
What was different from the training that we went through?
And you said that it's a uh 360 degree all the way around you uh mission where you have airplanes, you have uh ships, you have other forces, and it's not just static and straight in front of you.
It is literally you have you have to consider all the assets and things that you have in the enemy from a 360 degree view.
I think that the American people suffer from the same problem is that they have they don't realize that they're in the fight, and they don't have this 360 degree view.
They just look at this is the government, they're screwing us over, or I need this, and they need to give me this, or I want to be recognized, and so you give me recognition.
They don't realize that there are so many other things in play um that that make this country great or make the citizenry weak.
Yeah, so I always tell people this If you want to change America, number one, vote.
If you want to complain about the way America is, and you didn't vote, you don't really have anything to stand on.
And here's your 360 in politics.
Your 360 starts at the home.
Who's your township supervisor?
Who is your uh city council?
Who is your congressman, your senator?
It's not just the president of the United States and his cabinet, not even close.
When the uh NRA fights for the second amendment, everybody thinks that they're hiring a bunch of lawyers in DC to combat, you know, whatever that president or administration is, or no, they're fighting city ordinances across the United States.
There's they're fighting state legislation across the United States.
There's three hundred there's a war going on between left and right.
And I like to think that you know we're common sense people.
The majority of Americans are common sense.
If you just say, hey, this is a common sense party, not independent party, common sense party.
Right.
I think more people would sign up for that.
Because I do have friends that are Democrats that are gun owners, they're hunters, they believe in first second, they believe in the Constitution.
They believe in that stuff, and they're just common sense.
They just have some different beliefs than on the other side.
And the last but not least least thing, I'll tell you about, you know, the 360 fight.
When I look at my battlefield and I want to set my battlefield up, you know, life is like that.
You know, you we set up our goals, we set this up.
Who do I want to put myself self on and on whose side?
Well, I look at the Democrat side and I look at who's been in power and the Democrat side.
Have they legitimately ever owned a company and created thousands of millions of jobs?
But even on their own dime, have they created jobs?
No.
On the Republican side, I look at guys like Trump.
He's created tens of thousands of jobs personally with his own empire, his own business.
I look at uh, you know, any Republican that's out there, and uh and uh in a lot of cases, most of those Republicans have actually owned businesses before they got into politics in one way or another.
If you look at the Clinton administration and you look at the Obama administration, they never created a job one other than you know, maybe an autobiographer writer or uh, you know, uh security or something.
Right.
You look at Bernie Sanders, you need to have a job to his forty.
You know, depending on the state.
If you're going to listen to these people who can't take a dollar and make it into a hundred, I would much rather listen to somebody who's going to take a million dollars and be a 10 billionaire.
Right, right.
And then ha have somebody running me that can't create a job in a uh in a Walmart.
So I got about uh I got about a minute left here before I gotta go to a break.
So let me just ask you this.
Uh retired Navy SEAL Master Chief uh Ron Bellin, the host of the first and only tactical survival and hunting show, Reaper Outdoors survive the hunt on the pursuit channel.
Um if you could tell the American people one thing uh that that that you think that they should consider um in their understanding of what's true and what's not true in media, because you're saying that's one of the biggest detractors we have from following what the founding fathers attended.
What would you tell the American people?
Listen to your neighbor.
Uh listen to your neighbor and your friends, because that's the people you have to concern yourself with.
And then also uh travel.
Travel United States, go see things, go talk to people.
Quit being in this hole of looking down at your phone and never bringing your head out of the the cloud, because it's a legitimate thing now.
And talk to people.
And if you do, you're gonna be genuinely surprised about the people that are really out there.
It's a small number of people that are causing hate and discontent.
It's a larger number who really make America what it is, and it's always been great, and it'll continue being great.
Amen.
Listen, brother, thank you, uh old Dan that's out there listening as well.
Thank you, Dan, and and all the rest of the men that I served with.
Ron, I can't thank you enough for all that you've done for this country.
I say this every time you're on.
Um, you have paid a huge price for this country, and you are um a legend in my mind, and I think a legend in many people's minds, and somebody that uh is a great mentor, and I I can't thank you for all you've you've done.
Thank you, Jonathan.
I appreciate you having me on tonight.
And uh don't forget, folks, uh Independence Day tomorrow.
And uh for those who've uh carried the torches for centuries, I think that take a minute and think about that, you know, because we've lost a lot of good friends, and we just lost the state trooper up here by my hometown and uh yesterday, and uh, you know, it's been a big hit actually up here.
So uh the thing is those people that protect us abroad and here, you know, we gotta give them a minute of silence and a minute of a thought, and I think that uh doesn't go far with everybody out there.
You got it, brother.
Retire retired Navy.
You got it.
Retired Navy SEO Master Chief Ron Bellin.
God bless you, brother.
We'll be back on the Sean Hannity Radio Show in just a minute.
This is John of the Gillum filling in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
Man, what a great group of guests so far.
Um I've been having a lot of tweets come out.
Uh Kirby Wilbur was who we had on earlier.
He's a KVI talk radio host.
People are wanting to know how they can find him.
Just look up uh Kirby Wilbur, KVI Talk Radio.
And Ron Bellin, he's retired uh Navy SEAL Master Chief, one of my uh great mentors uh in the SEAL teams.
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My team back there, man.
They're keeping me on top of things today.
Ethan and Lauren, and there's like 50 other people at work back here making this show go every day.
Uh, can't thank them enough for having me on.
And uh tomorrow is such an important day for this country, the Independence Day.
We've been talking about the founding fathers, what they intended.
Uh, and I want and we just talked to Ron Bellon a few minutes ago, mass chief uh from the SEAL teams, uh, one of my mentors.
And so we wanted to bring in, you know, I'm a huge dog person.
And uh those of you know that I just lost my good buddy Rico.
Uh he was almost 18 years old.
He he passed away May 7th, lived an amazing life, uh buried in Arkansas next to my other dog, Jesse.
Uh, she was my pride and joy.
And um, and so I figured, you know, I I don't know if you remember if you listen to this show regularly.
We used to have a dog in here named Treat, and uh, she was an amazing dog.
Uh, she was a service dog, and she was going through the training process, and Lauren was I guess you were kind of mentoring her, right, Lauren.
I was a volunteer puppy raiser.
So that means that you take the dogs um when they're puppies, and you raise them, you give them a good home, you socialize them, you teach them all the basic training, and then they go back for their advanced training, and then hopefully they pass and become full-fledged service dogs.
And what is the update on Treat, by the way?
Um, she has been placed with uh veteran through the PTSD program.
Wow.
Yep.
I loved her.
She was so awesome.
I know.
We miss her.
Except when you try to clip her toenails.
She didn't want anything to do with that.
She was she's come a long way.
Yeah, good.
So um the canine companions for independence is the nation's oldest, largest assistance, uh, assistant why can I say that word, assistance dog organization, uh serving children, adults, and veterans with disabilities.
And interesting thing about them is that their 43rd birthday is tomorrow on Independence Day.
I don't know if if you all did that on purpose, but yeah, they did it on purpose.
So that's I think that's a great way to remember when you started your company.
So uh we brought in um uh uh one of the uh one of the recipients of uh of one of the dogs uh from there, and he is a former uh U.S. Marine, uh 3rd Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment Scout Sniper.
His name's Caleb Davidson.
Let me just go through a little bit through his uh his resume of his his career here.
He started off as a male model.
I'm just adding that in.
No, he joined the Marine Corps in April 2007.
Uh he was in the United States Marine Corps, 3rd Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, Scout Sniper Platoon.
He deployed to Afghanistan in 2011 uh to the uh Helm Province.
He got out of the Marine Corps in 2012 and was paired with uh Velvet in 2015.
Velvet is the dog.
She's in here with us as well.
Can she speak?
You said she can speak, right?
She can.
She might.
Let's see if she'll do it.
She's a little shy in the air, but we'll see if she's it.
Here we go.
Speak.
She's trying.
There you go.
Quiet.
Good girl.
Yeah, there you go.
See, that's what I'm talking about.
That's the bond between man and dog right there.
What a voice.
She's got a powerful voice.
She does.
Um, so uh he was paired with Velvet, who you just heard there in 2015.
Uh, she's a six-year-old Labrador Golden Retriever mix and was one of the first canine companions for independence dogs to be paired with a veteran uh in a VA study.
And Velvet's training is tailored uh to helping veterans with PTSD uh diagnosis.
Um and she's just she's uh what else do you have to say about her?
Just amazing.
What has it done for you to be with her?
Well, I mean, they they train her.
There's over 40 different commands that she knows.
But uh it's extensive, extensive training.
And so she can do a lot for me in that respect.
But the biggest impact Velvet's had on my life is the fact that she's a companion.
She's something some you know, an animal that I can take with me everywhere and uh and and that's always there.
Something that gives me a purpose and um just something I can spend time with and enjoy life with.
You know, a friend of mine uh that is an amazing uh American patriot, uh, and and uh uh his name's John.
He's down in uh in uh New Jersey.
He's done a lot of uh metal work for my show and and helped me out with a lot of stuff.
He and Trish both, uh Trisha's uh his companion down there.
They they have had succession of dogs throughout their lives, and they ended up getting a a parrot.
I think he's a parrot.
Pete's huge, uh, but he uh because he lives to be like eighty.
And so he said he got tired of burying dogs because of the emotional because people who love dogs, they do become a companion.
I mean, my dogs were like my kids.
You know, and uh they they become uh somebody who uh in in a lot of ways when you have anxiety when you have that stress, they are a consistent hero in the way that they rescue you.
That's right.
Yep, they're a family member.
Yeah, they're one of us.
And has there been times where you've experienced now where you know if if Velvet wasn't around, uh there would be a different situation, it would be a different outcome to situations.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
There's days I have, you know, off days or whatever, just like everybody, but it's those days that I can rely on her, I can look at her, I can pet her and just interact with her, maybe go take her swimming because she loves doing that.
So she always gives me that outlet.
It's something to do.
You know, it's interesting when I don't think a lot of people realize when you're in the military, your life goes I it doesn't matter what you do in the military.
You're you're in the military, your life is a hundred miles an hour.
You show up and you're on a ship, you may be chipping paint all day, but your life still has meaning and purpose and you're being told what to do and you're in service and people care about your service.
And when you get out, there's two things that I think we lose that if you've had if you have PTSD or if you just have PTS, which is post-traumatic stress, your life goes from meaning to even though we still mean a lot, uh, it goes to little meaning in your mind in the public's eye.
You go from a job that keeps you busy and uh a hundred percent of the time to sometimes nothing, and your companionship, that camaraderie is instantly gone.
It's uh I can only equate it to the day you graduated high school and the next day you wake up, you have no homework and nobody that you hung out with for twelve years is anywhere around.
And uh a dog can do so much to fill that void.
Yep, absolutely.
Yeah.
It it blows my mind what she does.
Do you work with her to do more training yourself?
Uh are you integrated with her training?
How does that work?
Yep.
So I I can teach her basically whatever I'd like to teach her.
I mean, she knows the commands that she got coming straight out of training from Canada Compans for Independence, but um, we can kind of tailor their training to whatever we like.
So she likes playing with toys, of course, being a dog.
And so one of the first commands that I taught her outside of her original commands was clean up.
And so she'll spread her toys all over the floor like any other dog.
And I'll go point to a toy and tell her clean up and she'll take it and go drop it off right in her little box, and I'll go hold another toy and tell her clean up and she'll take it from any other room and go put it in that one single box, put them all away, just like any kid.
Typical marine.
First thing he teaches is to clean up.
Hey, we're not talking about crayons yet, so we're all right.
Yeah, but when it comes to, you know, you can't uh that that was the whole thing.
Until your weapons are clean, you can't have a beer.
That's the whole thing when it comes to, you know, when you're in the field or when you're in training.
And uh so that's typical of of a marine.
Good Marine to teach his dog to clean up.
That's that's pretty awesome.
So what you let me just ask you this real quick, because we are limited on time here.
Um I want to ask you two things.
First and foremost is what are the qualifications for somebody to be to to get a service dog like this that's a veteran, and how do they go about doing this?
I think there's a lot there's a lot of veterans out there that don't think they're qualified or they just don't know how, and so they never pursue it.
Right.
Well, I I got lucky enough.
I went through the VA when they had that study, but um obviously you have to have a primary diagnosis of PTSD.
Um but other than that, I mean there's terrible there's several different organizations throughout the country that are provide dogs for vets.
Right.
So they can always refer to any of their local organizations.
I know K9 Companions for Independence.
Um They're currently in the process.
They've got a pilot program going on right now to provide service dogs for veterans.
But like I said, still in the process.
I think she's trained specifically for PTSD.
Like she recognizes certain things that have to do with PTSD.
She does, yep.
And her commands are based on veterans with PTSD as well.
By turning on light searching rooms, anything providing like a block position.
Yeah.
In public.
All sorts of different things like that.
So and and but for other veterans uh I would recommend this I know you would that maybe they don't have PTSD but they just got out they have PTS where they're they're stressed.
They don't have that meaning anymore.
Getting a dog is is just an amazing even if you rescue it from the pound it's uh it's an amazing thing to change your life and give you meaning again.
It is yep and not even you know just for everybody not even veterans anybody to have a dog.
Yeah.
It just makes a world of difference.
So let me ask you this before we go to break.
This has nothing to do with Velvet, but in a way it kind of does.
You have been a Marine.
You paid a huge price for the freedom of this country.
What would you recommend for those people that are driving down the road, those people that are home listening to this show?
I'm seeing a great disconnect between the parents and the children.
Parents weren't educated enough in history and service, and the children are not educated at all.
And what would you suggest to people in understanding what service is all about, how important it is, and what it actually does?
Even though you have made these sacrifices and you've had these issues when you got out, would you do it again, and what would you recommend to other people, or not recommend, what would you tell other people to help them realize how important service is and what it does to you on the inside?
Well, I'll start off by saying that I was over by the North Club Cove um in Manhattan the other day and I looked over and saw the Statue of Liberty and I know a lot of the locals that might take it for granted just because they see it every day but it just kind of hit home.
I just got goosebumps just looking at the Statue of Liberty for something like that.
But I I guess the biggest thing is I would definitely do it again.
Without any question I'd do it again.
You make that camaraderie you make that brothership with with those guys that you're with and there's nothing that can compare to that now do you think that the what you see in a lot of the young people today um and they're afraid they don't want to go in the military because they're afraid to they're afraid to go to war you know you people do come back with injuries.
People do get killed but ultimately uh standing um at the ready for freedom what does that do knowing that you did that what what does that fill you with what is that that you can convey to them excitement that pride pride's the biggest thing.
Yeah and a legacy absolutely I mean if you and I died today we have a legacy that we actually stepped up to the plate and served.
Yep.
Regardless of regardless of you know whether you were in combat regardless of whether or not you come home with an injury the fact is you when when you die and we all will you will have a legacy.
That's pretty amazing.
Only one percent of the population gets that now.
Right.
And uh we're here for at the most 80 years dead forever.
Or gone.
I mean we're not I believe we live forever but but gone from this earth.
It's uh it's pretty amazing when you think about that.
And and even serving in just the military is great but being in the brotherhood of the Scout sniper community is is a whole nother world.
Oh yeah we could do a whole show on that we'll have you back and we'll talk about that as well and we'll we'll talk about your service we'll talk about who you're with I'd love to have you talk about that.
Canine companions for independence as I said it's the nation's oldest and largest assistance dog organization serving children adults and veterans uh with disabilities their birthday is tomorrow their 43rd birthday 43 is my favorite number it was Richard Petty's number uh and you can visit them at CCI.org uh to learn more and uh can we have Velvet speak one more time before we go to break here we go speak here we go she's getting up she's intense quiet
man that's a bark God bless you brother thank you for your service happy independence day to your wife and to everybody else out there that has served and to Velvet and all the service dogs out there all the police dogs all the canines that just do so much for us.
God bless you brother thank you.
Sam do you bud you got it this is John the Gillman filling in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
You can find me on Twitter Jay Gilliam underscore seal and on Facebook at Jonathan T. Gilliam we're going to be back here in just a minute to talk to Greg Jarrett you know him from Fox News and we're gonna talk about the reality of what's happening in this country today and how far we've come from what the founding fathers intended.
Go get my book, Sheep No More, The Art of Awareness and Attack Survival.
It's on.
This is John the Gillam filling in for my good buddy Sean Hannity, Sean Hannity radio show.
Man, that was awesome having Caleb in here.
And uh one interesting thing that I forgot to say is that he goes to uh Utica College, I think it is, and uh so uh Velvet has been going to every class that he's gone to.
He's trying to get her uh a diploma as well, which I think is is awesome.
Uh well Ethan pointed out she's better, she has a better attendance rate than most students.
So she should definitely get her diploma.
Yeah, she's been there.
And the other thing I forgot to mention is that CCI.org that it's free for veterans.
They don't pay anything for that uh for the service for the service dog, and that's a huge, huge amount of money that they put into that.
And uh so I'm getting a lot of um a lot of tweets from people, uh, a lot uh from veterans and people that have been chiming in on different things.
I just wanted to say a few of these things.
Um Timothy Bell Latimer, he's listening.
Uh he wrote uh reading the founders is necessary, but if you want to understand why uh they thought the way they did, you have to read and discuss what they read.
Uh Locke, uh uh Berkeley, um Voltaire, Plato, they read all these things.
These people were very, very well read.
Uh this could go on and on.
Thomas Payne, and you should read these things.
You know, that that's the thing about in this day and age.
If it's not uh in a meme, then people don't want to they don't want to read, they don't want to learn it.
Uh which there is a good meme, though, that Kevin Stuckey uh on Twitter posted, and he said um uh if you uh want to learn about uh what it what it is to protect this country, what the country needs, there's an app for it.
Uh it's called the Constitution.
That's the app.
Uh see what else we have here on Twitter.
Um there was let's see, uh there's uh oh, this is somebody uh brought this up.
Uh it's in Russian, so I can't uh read what this is, but they were talking about how there's no rule of law.
We haven't even talked about the news of today.
Um, but Mran Awan, he uh he gets a sweetheart plea deal.
The DOJ is uh only going to uh can uh charge him with bank fraud.
And uh somehow he's escaped any other charges.
Uh folks, when we come back, we're gonna talk to Greg Jarrett in just a second.
You've seen him on Fox News, he's got a new book out.
And we're gonna talk about what has happened in this country and where we how far we've gotten away from what the founding fathers intended.
This senior executive service, which I've talked about on this show before, that's all the the high-end political appointees and uh and executives in the government, how they seem to get away with, they probably would get away with murder uh if they tried to murder somebody, but people that are connected to them also get away with stuff.
Peter Strzok, uh Paige, the attorney that was having the affair with uh Peter Strzok, uh all these people, uh McCabe, Comey, uh Mueller, Clintons, now the Allwan brothers.
All of them.
They're all they all get away with stuff.
It's amazing.
We're gonna talk about that when we come back.
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This is John the Gillum filling in for my good buddy Sean Hannity.
Real quick, uh, Ethan, before uh we bring on Greg Jarrett, I wanted I don't know if Greg, I guess Greg's on here.
I've really wanted him to hear uh this music uh from uh good buddy of mine, Jeff Hyde.
He is one of the musicians that you see playing on stage with Eric Church, uh the country music star, and he's got it this is an incredible song, and it's called uh it's called uh fiction.
Let's play just a few seconds of that.
So turn around.
Just laying it down.
Don't I can't write fiction.
Keep up with the truth.
No, I can't write enough fiction.
Keep up with the truth.
I I think Greg, I think that says it all right there.
Wouldn't you agree?
Jonathan, great to be with you.
Good song.
And yeah, it has been a fiction for two years since the FBI and the Department of Justice started investigating Donald Trump for so-called collusion, which is not even a crime except in antitrust law.
And they never had any evidence of a crime to justify a criminal investigation.
So they changed it early on to a counterintelligence investigation.
It turns out we now know they had no intelligence to justify the intelligence counterintelligence probe.
And then of course it morphed into this absurd special counsel probe by Robert Mueller and his team of partisans.
So yeah, fiction, that's a beautiful song to summarize what's happened.
That's and that's Jeff Hyde.
You can get that on iTunes and Jeff Hyde Music.com.
But let me just say this.
You have a book that's coming out, and those of you that I you know, here I don't have to really tell people who you are.
Because I gotta tell you, you have one of the most recognizable voices, I think, that's in television today.
When I remember the first time I was on set with you over at Fox News, I was sitting across from you going, I I felt the same way when I was across from Geraldo.
I was like, I can't believe I'm across from Greg Jarrett.
I mean, your voice is just that recognizable.
But you've written uh you've written a book, uh, it's getting ready to be released.
It's called The Russian Host Hoax, the illicit scheme to clear Hillary Clinton.
Um it's available for pre-sale right now on Amazon.
Uh how much when you look at this, okay, and when you were doing your research for this and you you cover these stories, um, how much of this stuff is for somebody like yourself that's in the media is mind blowing because you report stuff all the time about what's going on in government, and government has been corrupt, you know, for as long as governments have been around.
But this has to be mind-boggling.
You know, uh frankly, I've never seen such a fraud uh perpetrated on the American public since Watergate, quite frankly, and I was, you know, uh a young man when that took place, and uh to think that top officials at the Department of Justice and the FBI,
uh they're the ones who colluded uh in order to clear Hillary Clinton, and then they went about framing Donald Trump.
And actually, you know, Jonathan, they did it.
They started the Trump Russian collusion case on the very day within hours uh of James Comey absolving Hillary Clinton in his now infamous news conference, July 5th, 2016, almost simultaneously, the FBI was meeting for the very first time with this former British spy.
Uh they were doing this in London on the same day uh that Comey was clearing Clinton.
They were meeting with him and he was handing over this dossier.
And I, you know, it's published be but people can look at it online.
It is a farce on its face.
It is totally preposterous.
Uh, and any intelligent, semi-intelligent person looking at this dossier would have immediately said, Oh, that you know, th this is fiction.
This is the work of a really bad first-time novelist.
Right.
Uh you know, anonymous sources, second, third, fourth hand hearsay, none of it would ever be usable or provable in a court of law, and yet the FBI ran with it in order to destroy Donald Trump.
And you know, this is the arrogance of power of people like James Comey, Andrew McKay, Peter Sruck, Lisa Page, the list goes on and on, and power corrupts, and as the old saying goes, absolute power corrupts absolutely, and this is what happened.
And when you look at the fact the facts that aren't readily reported, uh that uh this same uh uh intelligence operative from uh Europe from from Great Britain was also a paid FBI informant at one point that the dossier that he wrote just happened to be written precisely in a way that a FISA court judge could approve it,
um, even though normally the the process that these uh verification that these uh something like this dossier would go through Is extreme and most get kicked back.
Uh this only went through uh a minor review and then was approved as a piece of evidence.
It is the uh from when I look at this from a former FBI investigators uh uh viewpoint, I look at entrapment.
It the whole thing looks like we need some evidence.
Let's make it okay.
We got it.
Now let's get it uh legitimized.
They did that, and then they pinned it on the president.
That's the way this stuff has worked.
And it was all paid for, by the way, by the Hillary Clinton campaign, then the Democratic National Committee spent more than a million dollars funneling it to Fusion GPS, uh, who then gave it to the British spy who was apparently paying uh some of these alleged uh Russian contacts that he had.
He hadn't been in Russia in 20 years.
He didn't have any contacts left in Russia.
And the fact that it was paid for by Democrats in Clinton was concealed from the FISA judges who were reviewing the application for a warrant to wiretap the Trump campaign.
And it there is a veiled cryptic reference in two footnotes.
And I, you know, I've read them, and I mean there's no way that you could tell that the money came from Hillary Clinton and the Democrats.
You know, the this is a fraud upon the court, which by the way is a crime if lawyers or the FBI or the Department of Justice do that.
It's also called abuse of power, which which is a federal statute that makes it a felony to do what they did.
Well, there's there are so many felonies.
If it was a normal person and not at the senior executive service, which I keep talking about, or people connected to this SES program, which I think is a whole book in of itself.
Let me ask you this real quick.
You know that you hosted just the other day, this show's going by so fast.
We got about three minutes left.
I want to ask you.
Um there's two uh headlines that are coming out, and I want to get your opinion on these things.
And then if you don't mind, I'd like to have you back on Friday's show uh to cover just a little bit more of this.
But um Happy to do it.
All right, great.
Okay, so the the two headlines are the House Committee subpoenas, FBI agent struck to testify in public.
I think Paige may have been uh subpoenaed as well.
I want to get your opinion on that.
And and also Devin Nunes uh warns Obama officials willingly testify on Rush investigation or face subpoenas.
The question I guess uh halfway is how powerful these subpoenas, and Greg, you we've been seeing this uh again and again.
What good does any of these things do?
Does Congress have any power left?
No, functionally they don't because for too long they never enforce subpoenas, so the Department of Justice and the FBI got out of the habit of just ignoring them or defying them with impunity.
Yes, you can uh hold somebody uh like Rod Rosenstein in contempt.
There's a resolution to do that if he doesn't turn over documents by July 6th.
But you know, contempt is nothing.
You know, what uh ask Eric Holder.
He was held in contempt.
It had no effect on his career.
You would have to impeach him, but that's that requires two-thirds of the U.S. Senate.
You'll never get that with Democrats opposing it.
They what ought to happen for people like Rod Rosenstein, for example, who continues to defy lawful subpoenas, is the president should send him a letter and say you're hereby directed to comply fully with all lawful subpoenas issued for the House Intelligence Committee.
Failure to do so is grounds for termination.
And if Rosenstein misses the deadline on July 6th, he ought to be fired by the president who is in charge of the Department of Justice and the FBI.
And he can do that.
Oh, absolutely he can do that.
And he should do that.
And he cannot be accused of obstruction of justice because what he is doing is upholding justice and the rule of law.
Congress has the authority of oversight.
It's in the Constitution.
They issue lawful subpoenas, and they cannot and should not be ignored.
So let's have you back uh uh on um on Friday when I'm hosting again.
And let's talk a little bit more, if you don't mind, about your book, The Russian hoax, the illicit scheme to clear Hillary Clinton, because I want to I want to see that right now the the headline about the MRAN Awan uh situation, and he's only gonna be charged with evidently bank fraud.
Um I want to see how that turns out over the next couple days, and then we'll come back and have you on Friday.
That okay?
Love to do it, Jonathan.
Thanks for having me on.
You got it.
Greg Jarrett, uh Fox News analyst and host of the book, The Russian hoax, the illicit scheme to clear Hillary Clinton.
This is Jonathan Gillam, uh, filling in for Sean Hannity.
Find me on Twitter, Jay Gilliam underscore seal, and on Facebook at Jonathan T. Gilliam.
We'll be right back.
This is Jonathan Gillam back in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
I'm gonna see you all again on Friday.
And I just wanted to leave you real quick, see if I can get even get through this whole thing.
Uh, a poem that I wrote a while back.
Let me just give it a shot here.
We're gonna close out.
Don't forget the Brandon Church Memorial Scholarship Fund.
You can find that on my Twitter, Jay Gilliam underscore seal and on Facebook at Jonathan T. Gilliam.
Go donate to that and go pick up Jeff Hyde's album.
Uh it's uh Norman Rockwell World.
You can get that at Jeff Hyde Music.com and on iTunes.
So I just want to read part of this because I don't think I'll get through it, but I want you to think about something as I read this.
And I wrote this uh about the United States, and there's a great mountain upon which many minds, young and old, have gazed upon.
God himself shines his grace upon this mountain, light so pure and loving that it draws forth greatness and inspires true seekers to sacrifice for the greater good so that all may partake in its glorious victory.
Leaders of men, inspired individuals, and freedom seekers have sought the path to the top of this great mountain, hoping to find freedom, unity, and equal rights under God.
Anyone that has fought the good fight and striven to achieve the greater good has looked up and eventually realized that reaching the top of that great mountain is not unachievable, but it is a quest that can only be achieved through participation of the entire citizenry.
This is the truth about that mountain.
All must strive as though the climb depends on their efforts alone.
While at the same time, everyone involved must understand that no single human is capable of sustaining a solo climb, nor are they worthy of standing at the pinnacle and claiming it as their own.
But there's another truth about this place where the light of God shines and his glory prevails.
Those that wish to control and enslave their fellow man will also desire ownership of this great mountain.
They will lie and convince the masses to give their lives for the climb while constantly feeding them a distorted perception of the purpose and meaning of the quest to reach the top.
This distorted understanding leads straight to servitude and dependency.
Unable to think for themselves, the masses duped into the climb through deception and trickery and nefarious lies will begin to believe that they themselves are working together for the collective equality.
That is what's happening today, folks.
Yet the sad reality is that the wolves of power have no interest in sharing their position at the top.
The wolves use the knowledge and experience of the sheep like rungs on a ladder to increase their position and stature, while the sheep blindly give over their freedom and ultimately their lives to oppression.
And that is where we're going.
Yet there is one last truth that we must understand, and we must understand it now.
Is a truth that cannot be comprehended by great liars of history or those in league with them.
That truth is this.
While God may have granted freedom to each individual to be insured through the Constitution, those rights are completely dependent upon a united citizenry.
And the great mountain of which I speak, where the sacred pinnacle exists, upon which the light of God shines and his glory reigns.
Well, that great mountain is named America and its citizenry or what is actually the heart of this great mountain.
I'm Jonathan Gillam.
I'll see you again on Friday.
Maybe I'll read that again and give you the full speech.
I want you to go donate to the Brandon Church Memorial Scholarship.
Do it.
Help them get a scholarship to remember Brandon.
That's Eric Church's brother, the country music singer.
Go pick up Jeff Hyde's CD.
All the music we were playing today.
A lot of that came from his CD.
And go get my book, Sheep No More, The Art of Awareness and Attack Survival.
It will help You stop being dependent.
It will help you be empowered.
Listen, I believe in this country.
I believe in you.
And I believe in the independence that our founding fathers gave their lives for, that men fought for 242 years ago.
You are a direct lineage of those individuals born into freedom because of them.
Don't lose it because of you.
I can't thank you enough for tuning in.
I'll see you again on Friday.
We're going to talk some more about this.
But remember, as you celebrate tomorrow, as you drink your beer and eat your food and have a great time with your families, remember, freedom, as we always say, is not free.
It comes with a price.
And that price has been paid by the blood and sacrifice of other free human beings, free Americans.
God bless you.
God bless you and thank you for all that you do.
And don't forget to go to cci.org as well.
Help those veterans get those support dogs.
I'm Jonathan Gillam.
I'll see you on Friday on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
