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June 15, 2018 - Sean Hannity Show
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The IG Report Fallout - 6.15

As Sean returns from Singapore, Guest Host Jonathan Gilliam takes the healm and is joined by Chris Farrell, the Director of Investigations for Judicial Watch to break down the legal and political ramifications of the IG report. The Sean Hannity Show is on weekdays from 3 pm to 6 pm ET on iHeartRadio and Hannity.com. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is Jonathan Gillum filling in for my good buddy Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
And I am, as I was telling people today earlier on the David Webb show on SiriusXM Patriot channel, I am bringing the heat today.
Now, this show is actually broadcast all over the universe, not just on SiriusXM.
But I do want to say that I am so thankful to have the opportunity to host this long on Sirius today that they allowed me to do two shows.
I've been gone for about two months.
Those of you that don't know me, I'm hard.
You know, I'm kind of, isn't it hard to believe that people don't know who I am?
I'm trying to, that's my inner Donald Trump coming out right there.
Let me just say this real quick before I tell you about who I am.
I got to say, we were just talking about this.
I love the way President Trump, when he is slamming somebody, he always is able to get in a little plug for how great he is.
I love this.
This is his tweet from seven hours ago.
He says, the IG report is total disaster for Comey.
This might have been longer than seven hours ago.
His minions, and sadly, the FBI, Comey, will now officially go down as the worst leader by far in the history of the FBI.
I did a great service to the people for firing him.
Yes, you did.
Good instincts.
Christopher Wray will proudly will bring it proudly back.
Well, okay, this was for a lot longer than I thought this was recent.
This is back before Christopher Wray, or right around when Christopher Wray was about to become the FBI director.
I am a conservative guy, but I don't support really the Democrat or Republican parties.
I don't like the party system.
But I will tell you this.
Actually, I announced on this show my support for the candidate Donald Trump long before anyone else, even Sean had come out when I was hosting his show when the campaign had just started.
Because when I saw President Trump, what I saw was somebody who had operational experience in running a company, large company, employing people in a successful manner, building buildings, doing operational things, coming under budget, and also failing and then coming back from failure and reinventing himself.
I saw that, and we haven't had that in a president in a long, long time.
And so I thought this is somebody that's outside of the norm, somebody who has proven that we can measure.
And I think he's lived up to that.
But I don't worship the president.
I don't worship any politicians or people in general.
I worship Jesus Christ and our Lord and Savior.
And I reserve worship to that level.
But a lot of people nowadays, it seems as though they're worshiping politicians and people who call themselves leaders, Hollywood types.
But I find it very important to let the president know that when I am right and he's wrong to point that out.
And in the case of Christopher Wray, Mr. President, I have good instincts.
And I was right.
You were wrong about Christopher Wray.
Christopher Wray is, as I talked about earlier today on the radio, Christopher Wray is a senior executive service member.
Those people that don't know what the senior executive service is, it is a pay scale and really another echelon of the civil service band.
Civil service, the regular civil service band, people are not allowed to make more than a junior congressman.
So they developed another band for the executives in the government.
And these executives, not only is it a pay scale where they make more, I think they're topped at what the vice president makes at somewhere around there.
But what these individuals do is they've created a system with no overwatch.
They've created a system.
Now, there's different levels within there.
I think there's four different levels.
And they've created a system where there's little to no overwatch.
They've created a system where if they do something wrong, as they say, you know, in federal government, when you screw up, you literally go up when you do something wrong.
So that's the problem that we've run into is that the senior executive service in this country, and it's called different things.
I think at the CIA it's called the senior intelligence service, regardless of what it's called, these individuals all belong to a group of people that can be shared from agency to agency.
They can be political appointments.
Basically, a lot of them are political appointees.
Mueller was and is any special counsel, their attorneys, any of the DOJ high executives, these people are senior executive service members and political appointees.
Hillary Clinton was a senior executive service member when she was the Secretary of State.
The people like McCabe and Strzok and Page and Comey and Christopher Wray, Rod Rosenstein, these names all sound familiar, right?
They're all senior executive service members.
They all have little to no overwatch and they all have done criminal behavior.
Does anybody even realize that?
We're looking at this IG report.
I'm looking at it right here.
I have the cliff notes of this thing.
And I'm shocked at how similar when I'm reading this report, which goes back and forth, says there is no political bias.
And it says there is political bias all the way at the end.
I'm shocked when I look at this and how similar the comments that, let's see, what was that, cut three, I believe, that we were wanting to play of Comey.
Let's play cut three.
Listen to Comey talk about what Hillary Clinton did.
Now let me tell you what we found.
Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.
For example, seven email chains concern matters that were classified at the top secret special access program at the time they were sent and received.
Those chains involve Secretary Clinton both sending emails about those matters and receiving emails about those same matters.
There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton's position or in the position of those with whom she was corresponding about those matters should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation.
Right.
But that's not called carelessness.
That's called a crime.
Mishandling classified information, mishandling government property, destruction of government property, obstruction.
When you go and you're working some kind of a case and you move the information outside of the classified chain, you very well are obstructing anything that may be going forward.
You have committed, quite frankly, espionage.
And depending on whether or not you shared that information could even be considered treason.
Carelessness is when somebody goes with a classified computer that has, maybe you have a computer that has two different hard drives, and they're removable.
I've heard of this many, many times.
One's classified, one is not.
And you have a switch that goes between the two.
And at the end of the day, you're supposed to lock up the classified hard drive, pull it out and lock it up.
And you accidentally do the unclassified because you're in a hurry to get out.
That's carelessness.
What these people did and what they continue to do is not carelessness.
This is criminal behavior.
This is organized criminal behavior.
This is criminal behavior where people have thought about what they're going to do long before they are caught or discovered.
This is premeditated criminal behavior.
Now, in contrast to that, let's play the cut from Christopher Wray, not about the SES, but the other one.
This report did not find any evidence of political bias or improper considerations actually impacting the investigation under review.
The report does identify errors of judgment, violations of or even disregard for policy, and decisions that, at the very least, with the benefit of hindsight, were not the best choices.
So the same exact type of commentary by another senior executive service member saying that things were bad judgment, that they just broke policy.
See, the reality is, folks, they didn't just break policy.
They broke the law.
And yet there's no criminal charges being, I didn't hear of anything.
If this was happening to a regular everyday agent, if it just got found out today, there would already be charges.
People would already be in cuffs.
They would have their weapons taken away from them.
If they were an agent, their badges taken away.
Their pay would stop.
And quite frankly, they would probably be charged.
I'll give you an example.
Good friend of mine, not going to go into detail of who he was.
I told a little bit of this story earlier.
He accessed our computer system in the Bureau to get football tickets from a closed source.
That guy was brought up on four felony charges for that.
Four felony charges, arrested, and then all that was thrown out because the judge in the case had a brain and was like, this is worthless.
I had another friend in the FBI that went on his work BlackBerry.
And during the election campaign for Obama, there were some Black Panthers out, as you may remember and may recall at some of these voting booths with sticks and stuff.
And he wrote on his Blackberry, these people are animals.
Suspended for five days without pay.
They took his gun, his badge away for five days because he wrote on his BlackBerry, these people are animals.
And somebody construed that as a racial remark instead of the fact that the individual standing there with clubs were intimidating people that were coming to vote.
I know another support person who was told by her supervisor, go ahead and put an extra day of per diem down on your travel claim because they'd been on a trip.
She did that, $57.
Fired.
Over $57.
Now, if these people are being held to this standard, why are the people that we're paying more than anyone else in the federal government not being held to a standard?
Why?
I ask you why.
I'll tell you why.
Because the criminals are running the show.
Because these criminals have crafted a way that they can do the politicians' work without overwatch, without any type of criminal charges whatsoever.
They are above the law.
Now, how do I know this?
I spent time in the FBI.
I was an FBI agent for eight years.
I've been in the SEAL teams.
I've been in the air marshals.
I've seen this across the board.
One of the reasons why I left the FBI was because of this type of nonsense.
I couldn't stand it.
We're going to come back and talk to a good buddy from Judicial Watch here shortly.
Stay tuned.
That's Mr. Farrell.
And we're going to talk some more about this SES program and the reality of this IG report.
This is Jonathan Gillum filling in for Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
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This is Jonathan Gillum filling in for my good buddy Sean Hannity.
The Sean Hannity radio show literally broadcasts throughout the universe.
I've heard that many, many light years away, there may or may not be aliens listening to this show right now.
That's going to get the liberal conspiracy theorists going.
So, you know, folks, I got to tell you, that opening rant got me sweating because I am shocked when I hear Christopher Wray say, do we have that soundback?
Can we play that real quick?
Go ahead with Christopher Wray.
This report did not find any evidence of political bias or improper considerations actually impacting the investigation under review.
The report does identify errors of judgment, violations of or even disregard for policy and decisions that, at the very least, with the benefit of hindsight, were not the best choices.
I mean, that statement in and of itself contradicts itself when they say that it didn't have an impact, but yet it was, I can't even remember the words that he was just using.
I mean, it's look, if you're not doing a professional job, And if you have people that are texting back and forth that are running the investigation saying that they're going to end this, you're telling me, Christopher Wray, that that has no impact on the investigation.
How can you even come out and say those words?
The entire culmination of this entire event of all these things, the totality of the circumstances, the totality of the evidence, the text messages, the weird briefs that Comey would give, the fake dossier, the guy who wrote it that was paid by the Democratic Party that was also an FBI informant,
the plants that were put into the president's campaign by the FBI.
All these different things when you look at the way that these people work, the things that they said, the fact is Giuliani pointed out yesterday on Fox News that there was nothing in there that was anti-Clinton.
And you're telling me that none of this had anything to do with tampering with or injuring or affecting the investigation at all.
Listen, I'm not the greatest investigator in the world.
There's people who are way better than me, but I'm a good enough investigator to tell you that that is complete crap.
When you don't do a professional job, it's going to affect the investigation.
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This is Jonathan Gill.
I'm filling in for my good buddy Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
They wanted me to go to Singapore, but I would have gotten Kim Jong-un probably in a chokehold, and that wouldn't have done anybody any good at all.
So I decided to stay here and host the show for him this Friday so they could transition back.
But they'll be back in here on Monday and he'll be giving everybody the brief that they need from the travel.
You can call in 800-941-7326.
And don't forget, I have a book called Sheep No More, The Art of Awareness and Attack Survival.
Now, it doesn't really talk specifically about criminals like Comey or Mueller or Strzzok or Paige or Hillary Clinton.
However, the first chapter in the book does talk about the criminal mindset.
And you literally, and I'm not just saying this to sell the book, but you literally could take the steps that I put there to do a threat assessment, and you could actually pick out a lot of the things that these people do by asking yourself, if I was bad and I was at the top of the government, how would I make things work?
How could I manipulate the system?
And once you start doing it that way, which the book shows you, you can definitely see, and this is what prosecutors should be using.
You can definitely see how the angle of approach, the vulnerabilities that they manipulate, it all just pops right out.
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And I couldn't think who better.
Was begging Lauren to get somebody from Judicial Watch on here because in a lot of ways, what Judicial Watch has done over the past couple of years is what the FBI themselves should have been doing.
And so she reached out to Chris Farrell, Director of Investigation for Judicial Watch.
I can't thank you enough, Chris, for coming on.
And excuse me, as I was saying earlier in my opening rant there is that I don't think people are paying close enough attention to the senior executive service.
That is where these people exist that have no overwatch.
If a young agent or a 20-year agent that is just an agent that didn't become an executive, if they do the same things that these people do, they will be crucified.
But these people get away from it and they float from agency to agency.
Lois Lerner was an SESer.
Mueller was an SESer when he destroyed the FBI.
Comey, Strzok, Paige, McCabe, Rod Rosenstein, all these people, even Hillary Clinton was an SESer when she was a political appointee.
Have you all looked at Judicial Watch at the system of the senior executive service across the board to see where the commonalities exist in their criminal behaviors?
We sure have.
And, you know, both of you come from both a military and a special agent background that kind of equips us with a unique set of lenses to look at these animals and identify what they are and how they operate in that environment.
And I can tell you that it's the SES rank itself.
There's all sorts of political operators who are embedded in there.
But there's also a ton of what they call Schedule C or presidential appointee folks.
There's a ton that are still left over from Obama still wandering around headquarters buildings here in D.C.
And they have not been, you know, they've submitted their resignation at the time of the turnover of the new administration, President Trump coming in.
But a lot of them are left in place to operate.
And let me tell you something.
They go to work every single day with the sole objective of either, you know, styming, thwarting, or actively opposing what the president wants.
And so when you've got a workforce, when you've got headquarters elements, I don't care if it's labor, commerce, justice, wherever, and the folks running the programs and pushing the policies are all sort of quietly aligned against you, you wonder why the president has a hard time.
Well, what I can understand here, Chris, is that why aren't these people fired?
I mean, why do they just go through and clean the house?
I couldn't understand this about George Bush.
I didn't really understand it or know it before then.
I won't lie to you because that's when I began my government service.
I studied, I have a degree in political science and a degree in psychology.
But that really didn't introduce me to this group of people.
When President Bush got elected, I kept asking the question, why isn't he firing the political hacks that were put into place where the warfighters left by Bill Clinton?
And now I kind of understand a little bit more because he's a part of the establishment system.
But President Trump is not a part of that system.
I couldn't agree more.
I think, you know, next to the media and the Hollywood and all these people who spread these rumors and get in the way of actual work being done, these people are the biggest national security threat that we have far beyond what ISIS could ever do to this country.
These people are literally doing things on the inside of this country with no checks and balances at all.
It's like a fourth branch of government.
It's a professional political class that operates on their own rules.
They dance to their own tune.
They do as they damn well please.
Political appointees who are set up above them come in and provide direction, guidance, policy, and they smile and they say, okay, and they go back to their office and just continue to do whatever they've been doing.
And it's enormously difficult to remove them.
Conversely, there are some political appointees who are trying to do the right thing, and they come under blistering scrutiny by the press, who's, of course, allied with these kind of deep staters.
And they try to move the ball down the field, and all of a sudden they become the subject of some tell-all inquiry because they advanced a policy or they told somebody, hey, look, I understand what you're saying, but we're going to do it this way anyway because we won the election and we're in charge.
And these folks who have tried to step up and do the right thing, they get hammered.
And you see this, I think it's well evidenced in this IG report that's come out because like most IGs, they're usually the Department of Cover-Ups.
And the language they use, even when they detail 586 pages of misconduct, they still softped all the language and they say, well, you know, yeah, you have people using the F word with respect to President Trump, or they say that they're going to stop him, or that Trump supporters are all retarded, or all this reckless language, reckless language.
And they say, oh, but there's no bias.
It's laughable.
No one buys that.
Nobody.
We just played the soundbite that everybody's heard over and over again of Strzok saying that, well, let's just play it again.
Let's play that cut again of Strzok did not find any evidence of political bias or improper considerations actually impacting the investigation under review.
The report does identify errors of judgment, violations of or even disregard for policy, and decisions that, at the very least, with the benefit of hindsight, were not the best choices.
So he's saying that bad choices, that violations of policy, he didn't say criminal violations, although there are.
He's saying that that won't affect an investigation.
Yeah, well, I mean, it's just patently false, and there's page after page after page detailing it.
You know, your listeners should do two things.
Get that report and go to page 409, and you have Lisa Page saying, quote, yes, because POTUS wants to know everything we are doing.
POTUS in that comment is Obama.
The Obama White House had direct knowledge of what these people were doing, and Lisa Page admits to it on page 409 of the IG report.
Later on, page 418, that's a quote.
What in the world is attorney number two doing investigating then-candidate Trump's staff?
Right.
Well, where did that come from?
And why isn't he named?
Where's the explanation?
Why isn't he named in this report?
Why hide anyone in this report?
Because I guarantee you, if it was a low-level agent, they would release their name.
They chop their head off, and you know it.
You know exactly what would happen to some GS-13 in Topeka, Kansas.
You know what would happen to him.
Yeah, done.
Done.
You know, if you saw this ignorant young guy who did the backflip, the agent that was on vacation in Colorado, and he shoots somebody, like he's being brought up on, I think it's second-degree Mr. or second-degree something, I can't remember, charges, and was booked.
Well, if this was an SES or they would have gotten an incentive award and probably $50,000 bonus.
For community firearms.
Exactly right.
Exactly right.
So let me ask you this.
You all see things, okay, the wool is not over your eyes, that's for sure.
And you guys are able to maneuver and do things that I know that the FBI could do this if they wanted, but there's also Congress in the speed at which Congress moves and the fact that Congress really has no teeth.
They either don't have teeth or they just won't put them in and use them.
Which one is it?
They have, you know, they have horrible, quote-unquote, leadership, right?
So you've got Paul Ryan sitting up there taking decisions, you know, causing stuff not to happen.
There's some good-hearted, right-minded folks who are trying to get accountability, but they've got zero support within the system of Congress itself.
The advantage that we have is we sue these guys.
We go to court, we sue, we get them in front of a federal judge.
Look, Judicial Watch, we had got Hillary Clinton under oath in written interrogatories as part of discovery in our email case.
You know, we're the only ones to get her under oath.
Not even the FBI took her testimony under oath.
Wow.
So that just goes to show you, I mean, when it first comes to shove, we're getting more than any of the rest of these characters.
Now, when you interviewed her, did she have other people that might have been subjects of an investigation in with you like the FBI did as well?
They literally.
We got we got Mrs. Clinton in written interrogatories, but we deposed.
We physically sat and questioned in video, as a matter of fact, that will probably get released in October by a judge who has it under seal.
But we deposed Huma Abadin, Cheryl Mills, and about five other of her inner circle.
And all their depositions, the transcripts are on our website at judicialwatch.org, so anybody can read them.
And we think a judge is going to finally unseal the video.
They were terrified that our video depositions would come out before the election.
They thought it would upset the apple cart.
Well, surprise, surprise.
So let me ask you this.
We only got a couple minutes left on this interview.
How do we get the president, and do you think the president knows at the SES level that that's where this exists?
If he doesn't, how do we get it to him?
And how do we change this?
I mean, in the Bureau, it would just be simple.
You make another policy, and anybody who disregards it gets fired or gets criminally charged.
What do we do with these people?
And why can't it just be done?
I mean, they're breaking the law.
Yeah, and I think a lot of it really could just be stroke of the pen.
I think the president says, look, excuse me, if you're a Schedule C, if you're a presidential appointee, and I didn't appoint you, you know, your last day of work is the end of the week.
And thanks for your service.
We appreciate it.
But we need to get, you know, people that are consistent with my policies.
And, you know, elections have consequences.
You heard Barack Obama jam that down everybody's throat about every other month.
Well, guess what?
Elections do have consequences.
And so new Broom sweeps clean.
Thanks for your service.
You're a great person, but we're going to go find somebody else to do your job and move them out.
And he has every right to do it.
And fill the positions with people that aren't of the SES.
I think the SES thing should be completely taken away, and people should just be civil servants, and they should be capped at a pay rate.
And if they don't want to stay and serve for $146,000, then they don't serve.
Go somewhere else.
Well, there's two other things.
One is there's people that are just treading water, looking to hit the 20-year mark and get their retirement.
That needs to be changed, because let me tell you something.
There's a lot of cowards with their heads tucked down in their cubicle who are afraid to do the right thing because all they want to do is get that retirement.
That golden retirement is all they want.
You know, that is very damaging to the morale of a lot of good organizations.
Got to go, my friend, Chris Farrell, Director of Investigations for Judicial Watch.
Thank you very much.
It actually fills me with a little bit more good feeling that you all understand this SES problem so you can focus in because that's basically the deep state.
God bless you, brother, and thank you for all your work.
Thanks.
You got it.
This is Jonathan Gillum filling in for my good buddy Sean Hannity.
We'll be right back.
While we're on the break, go over to Amazon and order Sheep No More, the Art of Awareness and Attack Survival.
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This is Jonathan Gillum filling in for my good buddy Sean Hannity.
Call-in number is 800-941-7326.
And real quick, I just want to tell you, folks, listen, this information that I'm giving you today are pearls of wisdom that should be motivating you to get out there and talk, not just talk with each other, but stand together.
That's the only way this stuff's going to be finished.
If, just think about this, folks, what you did during the last election is what you have to do on at least a monthly basis so that you can continue to maintain contact and stay awake.
You voted in Donald Trump.
Do you realize what would happen if you did not come together in those rallies?
Nobody paid you to go to rallies.
There weren't celebrities there.
President Trump was there, but you got up off your couch and you went there.
Listen, you could have been hearing this constantly.
Do you realize that?
That is what you would have been hearing.
We'll be right back.
Jonathan Gillum filling in.
This is Jonathan Gillum, and I am laughing right now because on Fox News right now is Danielle McLaughlin, who I'm usually on here on Thursdays with.
What a weird coincidence that is.
I'm looking at you.
So, listen, it's great to be back here.
I'm going to get to some calls right now.
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And let's go.
I want to take some calls.
And this show moves so fast that I rarely get to calls.
But Susie in Texas.
First of all, Susie, thank you for your service to this country as being a former federal agent.
But what happened?
You say you were investigated for the dumbest thing ever.
What would that be?
See if you can surprise me.
I was, Jonathan.
I'm a retired Air Force officer, OSI agent.
Okay.
Which I think is one of the most, unless I'm wrong, the OSI has the image of one of the most stellar agencies that there are.
A lot of people don't know about the OSI.
But go ahead.
Yeah, so this might be a slight, well, whatever.
It was alleged because of insighting between military police and OSI, which happens.
Apparently, I pissed off the wrong person, and they alleged that I said another captain grows a better mustache than most men.
Shame on you.
Shame on me.
Now, wait, let me get this straight, though.
You didn't take any pictures of classified airplanes, or you didn't put a server in your home, or let's see, you didn't obstruct justice or destroy government property.
You said that somebody else can grow a better mustache than that individual.
Than most men.
Than most men.
He can grow a better mustache than most men.
And so a lieutenant colonel comes out and sits me down and reads me my rights.
And I was like, oh my God.
So yeah.
So did they hashtag you, hashtag me too?
Can they do that if a girl insults another, excuse me, a female insults another female?
I have no idea.
I have no idea.
What were the ramifications of this?
Well, the backstory is that we had, you know, OSI detachments all have commanders.
And to your point about the SES pool, OSI is one of the growers of the people that end up there.
Yeah.
And there's a lot of personality politics.
And some things are run on because you like somebody and some things are run because you don't, or vice versa.
In our case, my detachment commander preferred the security forces guys over us.
Everybody that's listening right now is wanting to know, could she actually grow a better mustache than most males?
Jonathan, I can grow a better mustache than most males.
You are a woman after my own heart.
I wish I had 50 of you working for me when I was in the Navy.
Well, thank you.
You're doing a great job, and I'm buying your book.
Thank you.
And we better stop this conversation before you make the hashtag MeToo people mad.
We're taking this way too far.
But listen, God bless you.
Thank you for all your service.
And I want to know what your opinion is on this book because this is opinions that I value everybody's opinion.
But I really value somebody with your experience and expertise and an understanding of standard operating procedures, how the majority of the civilians in this country, they don't understand standard operating procedures.
And so that's why things like this, you know, the deep state is actually able to exist because people don't realize it exists.
Well, yeah, that, and you can be ridiculously mediocre as a government worker, and you're completely safe.
Yeah, that's very, very, very true.
All right.
God bless you, Susie, and thank you again.
You too.
Bye-bye.
All right.
Have a great weekend.
Let's go to David in Albany.
Go ahead, David.
Hey, thanks for taking my call.
You know, I'm a 33-year veteran about to retire in two months from the Air Force active duty, and I approve of her previous message.
That was awesome.
Listen, I'm glad that a vet followed up with that call because I know media is going to raise some kind of nonsense about me asking that question, but I'm glad that you're another vet.
So go ahead, buddy.
Oh, yeah.
You can definitely see this.
You know, one of the things that we've focused on, certainly in my career, we've seen a lot of guys burn in flames for lack of integrity.
You know, you just talked about how the deep state has, you know, all this power and what they're doing, but they cannot do any of that without a very complicit media.
Yes.
And the complicit media has absolutely been rolling with this.
So, one of the things I've been noticing on this 550-page report, or however many pages it was, is they keep saying, but, you know, they keep rushing to Democrats who you guarantee have not read that.
They've not even read a single page.
They've read their talking points and they're out there spitting them.
And the one thing they keep saying is no political bias.
They love to go ahead and take that.
But if I understand correctly from that report, the no political bias was only in the instance of Comey reopening the investigation on Clinton, that it wasn't done with political bias.
You cannot read even four pages into this report and not see obvious political, personal, and political bias.
And Chuck Schumer.
Chuck Schumer's one of those people that ran with it outside of the media and politics.
When you say complacent media, though, I'm not disagreeing with you.
I agree that a lot of them are complacent, but I think also complicit.
Complicit amusing.
Yeah.
Working, in other words, hand in hand with the adversaries of Trump to be able to make things like that happen.
Yes, and I totally agree with that.
I thought you said complacent.
But yes, they are hand in hand part of the same family tree.
They're just branches, different branches of the family tree.
One does this, one does that, one points in this direction while the other one does this in that direction.
And that's exactly what's happening.
It's become very clear.
But what kills me, David, is, you know, CNN covers a plane crash for three months straight, 24 hours a day.
But yet, I think this is one of the greatest in the history of the United States.
This has to be.
If you gave even a little bit of time, if we could go back in time to the time of, say, the 50s and 60s, or even let's go to the Watergate era and get all of the journalists and the press that was around at that time and lay down the facts in front of them that Nixon was doing what happened with this campaign previously.
In other words, all the stuff with the FBI, all the stuff with the IRS, all the stuff of how they weaponized each one of these different organizations within the federal government, all the deep state actors, you started putting the names out, and not only that, but laid out all the information we absolutely have.
It's verifiable.
What do you think those journalists would honestly do then?
You know, it's amazing that they would have covered this sincerely and far better, even the ones that were Democrats then.
Yeah.
Let me tell you something.
What is happening now, first and foremost, when it comes to the media and all these organizations, if you take a step back, and we have in the Bureau, and it's available for civilians, but it's major expensive.
It's called Analyst Notebook.
And you can plot all the players in a case onto the so you see this big spider web of who's contacting who and who's doing all these things.
If you were to put all of these players on an analyst notebook, including their spouses and who they work for, the American people would be amazing.
I mean, if I had $8,000 to go buy that, I could write a book based on that because they're all connected.
All of them.
And it's amazing the way that they work with no overwatch.
And that's when we were talking to Chris Farrell from Judicial Watch.
The reality is, I think if President Trump went through and just cleaned house and gave pink slips and fired people, yeah, some of them wouldn't be charged.
But so what?
Get rid of them and let's change this government.
David, I got to go to another caller.
God bless you, brother.
And thank you for your service and have a great retirement.
You still there?
I guess we go.
He's gone.
Okay.
Let's go to see.
It's Dan in Charleston, South Carolina.
Go ahead, Dan.
Hey, how's it going?
It's going good.
How are you doing?
Doing excellently.
Wanted to make a comment about, you know, the IG report points up something that the people who wrote the Constitution were already aware of.
And that's the fact that political investigations are always used to discredit political rivals.
And that's why they've included in the Constitution in Article 3 a requirement that the trial of all crimes should be by jury so that we can't have these political investigations, special prosecutors and all that stuff are illegal.
Yeah.
Well, I don't think, listen, when it comes to these special prosecutors, there's never been a special prosecutor that I wouldn't say they're politically biased, but in the Clinton case and things, maybe they have legs, but they end up becoming witch hunts.
And that's because of, first and foremost, because the people that are involved are making millions of dollars, right?
That's one of the worst things ever.
Secondly, by nature, the SES, the senior executive service members who are the special prosecutors are politically biased.
And the people, look at Mueller's camp.
It's all Clinton supporters.
And several people, and this is kind of gets skipped right over, several people in the Mueller camp have actually had to be let go because of the things that they've said about Trump.
And this is where I think that we've gotten so far out of whack with this stuff that it is just, it's gotten to a point where it's criminal in the way that these things will be done.
If you were to be investigated and attorneys were given carte blanche, they'd be going so far outside of the Constitution that it just wouldn't happen.
I don't understand, again, why these people don't have to follow the same laws, whether they're the prosecutor or the person that's being prosecuted.
Well, this is the way the system works.
The system allows them to protect each other just by the just by the fact of the investigation.
You know, all of this information, all that's necessary is an accusation to bring charges.
And then once it goes to court, the jury is the one who's going to decide if those charges have any merit because the evidence will be presented.
As it stands now, the evidence is being investigated, but nothing is going to happen with it.
You know, nothing will come of it because all of these people are protecting each other just exactly like what you said.
But if you have charges brought and a jury has to hear that, the jury is not bound.
In the United States, one of the great things about our Constitution is that the jury is not bound.
The jury can listen to all of that stuff.
And if you bring charges against me, the jury can say, you know what, Dan, you're innocent.
But Jonathan, you're going to jail.
They're not bound by any sort of thing.
They can go after the people who bring the charges and they can say, this is where the crime happened.
And here's who's going to be punished.
Now, are you an attorney?
And that's exactly.
I am not an attorney, but I've been studying law for over 30 years.
That's pretty, pretty.
I love when callers call in and they see this one I'm talking about.
The American public, by and large these days, they just love Instagram and taking pictures of themselves, make everybody think that they're happy.
I love when somebody calls in Dan and shows that they've go far beyond just sitting there social media all day.
But God bless you, brother.
Have a great weekend and thank you for your insight.
Hey, you too.
And thank you for your information.
I'm going to have to get your book.
You got it, buddy.
Go get it.
Sheep No More.
Great segue.
Thanks, Dan.
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Stay tuned.
This is Jonathan Gillum back in for my good buddy Sean Hannity.
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And I got to tell you, you know, folks, I'm getting a lot of tweets from everybody and stuff on Facebook.
I can't thank you enough for your support.
We talked about this on the show after my dog Rico passed away.
And this is, I've had two dogs in my life.
One was Jesse.
I mean, I've had dogs all my life, but since being an adult and having been in the SEAL teams, I had these dogs all through my adult career.
And Jesse was like my daughter, and Rico was like my son.
He was my mentor.
That dog was with me for everything I did for 17 years.
I got him when he was just right at a year old, so he died just shy of 18.
And I got to tell you, folks, especially veterans that are out there, if you are suffering, if you're lonely or you have depression or you're bipolar or any of these things, or your kids, for instance, if they're suffering at school and they're having problems, go rescue a dog or rescue a cat.
Go get a pet and get two.
In fact, it's easier to raise two dogs than it is one.
Trust me on that.
But when I tell you how much meaning this gives you in your life, if you step away from the news for a little while, like I've been telling you, and if you get the opportunity to do this and you have the time to take care of them, go do it.
Go do it.
Your life will be so enriched if you step out of your mainstream and you take in a pet like this.
It's a great way to teach kids how to put themselves to the side and take care of something else.
If you want to have children, raising young puppies is a great way to determine if you're going to be a good parent or not.
But I'm telling you, these little creatures can guide you and teach you so much about yourself.
And it's such a great break away from all this nonsense that human beings and all these politicians create on a daily basis.
Trust me when I tell you that.
And go get my book, Sheep No More, The Art of Awareness and Attack Survival.
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And then join me.
We'll come right back and we're going to have my good buddy Michael Jack, former FBI agent, and Heidi Hansen, a retired Army officer and liberation activist.
We'll be right back.
This is Jonathan Gillam filling in for my good buddy Sean Hannity from the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
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I'll get to some more of your calls in just a minute.
But, you know what, I wanted to turn this a little bit because, first of all, we're the only ones really talking in depth about this IG report and the reality of what the senior executive service, where all these problems continue to exist, the reality of who they are and what they are.
Nobody else is really covering this.
They just talk about the report and about the left is saying that there's no political bias.
The right saying they're angry because this stuff happened, but nobody's really digging into where the problem is in order to show you the American people.
I thought that's what journalism was supposed to do, but it's not what they do.
So we're really the only ones right now that are really talking about this in depth.
But I wanted to talk about a little bit more and shed some light on the reality of what true leadership in government should be and the ramifications of what happens in a, I wouldn't say a perfect world, but in a better world where leaders are held accountable.
So I figured I would bring in two people that I know and trust that were leaders in the government and are still leaders in our citizenry.
And that's Michael Jack.
He's a former FBI special agent.
And Michael, I got your title right here now.
Let's see.
Where is it here?
You are, you up here.
Yeah, you're on here.
You are a former FBI special agent, senior FBI agent, and vice chairman of Washau County Republican Party in Reno, Nevada.
And my other great and dear friend, Heidi Hansing, who I just announced a second ago as being a, what was it that I said?
A liberation activist.
Heidi, you're now a liberation activist instead of liberty activist.
I don't know what that is, actually, but you're going to liberate people.
And you're a former Army officer and liberty actress, and you've dabbled in politics a little bit, so you see the reality of leadership.
I mean, you're the perfect example of leadership versus politics.
And let's start with Heidi.
You know, when you served in the Army and you had a great career in the Army, when you served there as a leader and you broke protocol, just protocol.
Let's say you didn't break it.
Nobody got killed because of a bad decision, that you didn't lose any crypto.
But let's just say that you broke protocol and you did something and things went wrong.
Would or would you not be punished for that?
Or at the least brought in and they would have done some type of investigation to figure out why you broke protocol?
Well, of course, Jonathan, I mean, that goes without saying that any standard, when you're in a position of responsibility and authority, there has to be a level of accountability.
That's given.
With great power comes great responsibility, probably even more so when you're in the field of law enforcement.
I mean, you're supposed to be upholding the very laws that are the understructure of a country.
And so, of course, I mean, even the slightest infractions, and you see it all the time, I mean, not this segue, but very briefly, you'll see military soldiers, officers held to a standard that our politicians break on an hourly basis.
Oh, not even to say, just our sports heroes, just the sports, the athletes, professional athletes are held to a standard that our politicians are not.
That's true.
That's very true.
I mean, look, even in business, if you use company emails to do personal things or you use your company emails for things that you're not supposed to, you could get fired.
At least you could be fired.
It seems like in the senior executive service in this government, when it comes to politicians and federal agencies outside of the military, that's one thing I will say about generals and admirals is that when they screw up, they actually do get punished, typically.
Yes, that's true.
They do.
But in the federal government?
Yeah, generally speaking.
And certainly that, you know, in the military, you do kind of abdicate some of your rights because you do have to submit to higher standards.
So it goes without saying.
Yeah, of course you will.
Michael Jack, what do you think?
Now, when you look at your time in the FBI, was it always like this with the senior executives or was it different?
Because I've only known the Bureau since 2005, but I don't remember in the past this type of leaking, this type of criminality, of whatever Comey is calling it in Christopher Wray, where they say that they've broken policy, but they use bad judgment.
Was it this bad before I came in in 2005?
Well, the Bureau is like any other big bureaucracy.
You're going to have good and bad.
You're going to have people that are going to break policy or violate the laws.
Was a guy that was right down the hallway from me when I was at headquarters is serving time in Supermax right now.
You know, it's just stuff happens.
People are people, but as far as a systemic problem, I think that's what you're alluding to.
Yeah the the, the breaking of protocols where they're leaking information and all that kind of stuff, that's that's more of a new phenomenon.
You, just when I was in, you just didn't see that very often where you had agents and supervisors and section chiefs and whatnot, you know, going out and talking to reporters and in the field you don't usually see that kind of thing where you're seeing it from reading this report, where you're seeing it is inside the beltway.
It's what I call beltway blindness.
You know you're inside the center of the universe and so you're.
You know your whole perspective, your paradigm of how you're supposed to act seems to change when you spend too much time.
So do you think, is this the chicken or the egg?
Are these people um, recruited because of their blindness, or do they get there and become blind?
Both, I think.
I think it's both.
It just depends on the individual.
Well Heidi um, Heidi.
Along with that when, when you know you have been in and around politics.
Have you seen that where good people come and they become bad?
Or is politics um, does it kind of uh draw in people?
Um, not all, but some, a lot of people who are able to manipulate the system, that are psychopathic, narcissistic people who are there for personal gain and and completely look the other way when it comes to uh doing what's best for the country or the state.
Oh, definitely both.
Yeah, that's the short answer, of course um, I mean, certain people are attracted to the acquisition of power right um, and and for many, they see that in politics, they see that, as you know, grasping for um, for power.
But then also, I think, there's truth to the uh, the idea of Potomac fever, or or in in Texas we call it, you know, people go to Austin where like, they change their, their access, their uh, their perspective.
There does seem to be a culture of corruption that is so pervasive that some people do tend to believe that they are above the law, that it doesn't apply to them um, so here's my a question for you.
I'll ask this from judicial watch earlier, if you were in the, the perfect world, where you were in charge uh, and you were president in power where you could actually stop this senior executive service uh, this movement.
And again I want to point out somebody pointed this out earlier i've had a couple people write me, um, they're like, they like what i'm saying, but they want me to say and I want to reiterate this, not everybody that is an executive in government is bad, but the system in and of itself promotes uh people who uh, who are nefarious and do bad things because they get away with it and they continue to climb.
But If you all were in a position, and I value your opinion greatly, both two people who've served this country in many aspects, the majority of their adult life.
You know, Heidi, you're still going around and having great conversation and meeting people.
And wherever you go, I know that great information follows.
And the same thing with you, Michael Jack.
What would you do to quail this and stop this movement?
I'll start with you, Michael, on this one.
I spent some time in Puerto Rico, and down there when they have a governor's election, when a new governor or new party takes over, everybody practically in the government gets fired and a whole new crew comes in.
And does it collapse the government?
Yeah, basically.
And that leads to, you know, chaos for a while until things settle down.
I don't think going through and just getting rid of everybody is a good idea.
But I do think, like the Class C guys, the guys who are appointed by the previous president, they need to be looked at pretty hard and probably need to go.
Would that include the McCabes and the Strzoks?
Or are they outside of that?
First of all, Strzok was not an SESer.
I thought Strzok was an SESer.
No, he was at the time that all this was going on.
You're reading the report.
He was an ASAC.
He was assistant special agent in charge from WFO.
That's a GS15.
He's an SESer now, though.
He's a deputy director now, though.
I don't think so.
I don't know.
I don't know where he is now.
But at that point in time, that's what he was.
Anyway, getting back to it, you really need to push for a merit-based system.
SES can just be a pay scale, but it's got to be merit-based, and you've got to do what Trump is already doing and make it easier to get rid of people that aren't any good and they're just deadweight in the system.
But he could go through and clean house of the political appointees for sure and stop recycling them.
That's the other thing that bothers me about Chris Ferray is when he appointed Chris Ferray, I mean, the writing was on the wall.
You put another DOJ attorney in charge of the FBI, you're going to have the same problem.
Yeah, I agree with that.
You and I have talked about that in the past.
I don't think, not because he was an SESer, but I don't think DOJ attorneys are qualified to lead the FBI.
I think you need guys who have been there, done that in the field, and proven themselves not only as agents, but also as managers and leaders in the Bureau.
Right.
Now, Heidi, what do you think?
Okay, well, first of all, I agree with Michael, especially on a micro level.
Having been out of a system of government for some time now, I really want to take this to a broader view of we the people, because I'm always going to look at it from a liberty perspective.
And to do that, I always go back to the originators and the original intent of the founding of this country.
And it's not shocking to me that our forefathers saw this.
And I want to just quote to you one of my favorites, Samuel Adams, because it speaks to the wisest Constitution and laws.
He said, neither the wisest Constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty of a people whose manners are universally corrupt.
He, therefore, is the truest friend of liberty in his country.
That's us.
He is the truest friend of liberty in his country who tries most to promote its virtue and who so far as his power and influence extend will not suffer a man to be chosen into any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man.
Do you know what that means?
That means the responsibility lies solely with us.
We the people.
Yes, I do believe there are systemic and organizational things that must and should be done, but we the people are the driving force of the virtue of our country.
And people cannot remain free unless they are virtuous.
And our founding fathers were clear on that in all of their writing, in all of their teachers, teachings.
A free people must be a virtuous people.
And we don't even use that word anymore.
But our founding fathers taught us that virtue is above honor.
And right now, we're discussing the mechanics of the dishonor and the utter disrespect and disregard for laws.
But our founding fathers taught us that the wisest laws cannot contain a people if they are not first virtuous.
Right.
I think that is one of the biggest problems that we have is that along with social media, along with the rise of the Democratic and Republican Party to the establishments, to this thing that's happened in this country where people are more concerned about the color of skin again, about sexuality, about things that don't really determine anything about the medal of a person,
they are basically losing that moral fiber that helps us as a people to push forward and do honorable things.
Listen, guys, I got to cut you off there because we got to go to a break, but I can't thank you enough.
I know I wish I had all night to talk with you about this stuff.
Heidi Hansing, former Army officer, Liberty, not liberation, liberty activist, and my good buddy Michael Jack, former FBI special agent and vice chairman of Washout County Republican Party in Reno, Nevada.
Thank you guys for all you've done for this country.
Thank you, Jonathan.
You got it.
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You know, and I was just having a conversation with Lauren just a second ago that, you know, perception is reality.
Some things look weird to people and they look great to others.
And that, you know, whether it be, you know, you're looking at the IG report or whatever, you know, if you don't have knowledge of what is actually going on, then you may actually think that something is, you know, great when actually there's a problem there.
And you may think that this report is complete when in fact it's not.
And what I've been talking about all day is this SES, the senior executive level service, and how this is truly the deep state.
But I don't want to leave this out.
I was just talking to Michael Jack after I interviewed him a second ago.
And it's important to note that the senior executive service, the McCabes, the Muellers, the Comeys, political appointees like Hillary Clinton, Lois Lerner over in the IRS when that nonsense was going on, there's no overwatch for these people.
And for the people that are political appointees, there's no overwatch for these people.
And they're all political.
You don't get to that rank without being political.
They get recycled and retreaded.
You see them coming back and forth with little or no overwatch.
But it's important for you to realize also that there are other people that are not senior executive service, but that are in close contact with them and do their dirty work.
It's like every other organized criminal enterprise.
The people at the top direct things, and then they have other people that are loyal to them.
And or in certain cases, they have high-ranking people who actually go out and do investigations or do certain things to get information.
Or in the case of Steele, where they have sources that, and I've been saying this for two years now, they have sources that will create, just like an entrapment case, create information for them.
So I wanted to bring on, you know, I've been talking about this at nauseum, but somebody who's been, I think, doing a very good job on Fox News analyzing this stuff.
And I have had a problem with the way a lot of people analyze this problem because I don't think they understand the SES problem and where these issues actually occur.
But Greg Jarrett is, you know, him from Fox News, Fox News analyst, and author of the upcoming release, The Russian Hoax, The Illicit Scheme to Clear Hillary Clinton.
This is exactly what we're talking about.
And these people that work, you know, of course, I haven't read your book.
It's upcoming.
I don't have a copy, Greg.
But I would assume that you're seeing this picture that I'm laying out here.
Having been a former FBI agent, I saw that the people at the top would do things that didn't make any sense to the lower level because we just weren't given the information or they were doing things that were outside of the realm of where we were working.
Well, you're absolutely right, Jonathan.
And the manipulation, principally by Comey, began at the commencement of the investigation.
Instead of it being handled by the Washington Field Office, as you know, that would normally be the practice.
James Comey took it over to himself at Maine Justice and basically, you know, handled it with a small cadre of his own top people, including Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, James Baker, James Rubici, Lisa Page.
And these are the people who are seriously criticized in the Inspector General report for persistent and pervasive bias.
And the key statement in that IG report says their bias was so serious, they had a willingness to take official action based on that bias to impact the presidential election.
Think about that, a willingness to allow their bias to dictate the outcome.
And James Comey was instrumental.
He was all in.
And of course, you know, he comes out of this report worse than anybody else.
They should have titled the report How James Comey Ruined the FBI.
They said he made ad hoc decisions based on his personal views.
In other words, he ignored the law, contorted the facts, misconstrued the statutes, and achieved the outcome he wanted himself.
The law be damned.
And that is a tragedy for the hardworking, good people of the FBI.
Now, a couple of things.
You know, you've been embroiled in this and reporting on it day after day.
Is there anything in this IG report?
So you've written this book.
Is there anything in the IG report you wish you would have waited to write it after this came out?
Or do you think that by and large, because I mean, I have my own opinions, but do you think that by and large, this IG report, besides giving a few extra players here and there, just verified what we already knew?
Yeah, I'm glad that I wrote the book.
It's already been printed.
It's being distributed.
I'm glad that I went ahead and did it.
I thought about pausing and waiting for the IG report.
But most of the report confirms what's in my book, but I draw the conclusion that Horowitz, the Inspector General, couldn't draw.
And that is that there really was a scheme to clear Hillary Clinton and frame Donald Trump.
And remember, Jonathan, this is only the first part of three parts.
of the Inspector General's investigation.
The second part, which will be forthcoming over the next several months, is his investigation into the use of the Clinton paid-for phony dossier to obtain a FISA warrant to spy, to surveil on the Trump campaign.
And then the third part will be Comey's conduct in what I regard as theft of government documents, the presidential memos, and the leak of those memos to people who are unauthorized for the purpose specifically of triggering his close friend, Robert Mueller's appointment as special counsel.
So I think Comey comes out of this bloody, bruised, and battered as of yesterday.
It's only going to get worse in parts two and three.
Now, I totally agree with you there.
I wrote an article back in 2017.
I actually wrote it at the end of 2016 when the campaign was going hot and heavy.
And I wrote on the Daily Caller, and I was reflecting at how this whole, it seemed like in this Russian investigation, if you really want to call it that, that they would say, we think that the president is meeting with Russians.
And then all of a sudden, bam, there's meetings with Russians.
They would say that, oh, we think that the Russians are hacking things.
All of a sudden, bam, Russian footprints, whatever this may or may not be, is all over the DNC servers when they say that they were hacked.
All this stuff to me seems exactly like if a police officer or a department was trying to entrap somebody, and so they want to have Russian, they already thought this out.
They want to have meetings with Russians, so they reach out to their sources, and they have a source go set up a meeting that works in the Russian government.
They set up a meeting and they have a meeting.
And just the mere fact that they had a meeting is exploitable.
But when we look at the way that all this stuff worked out and the way that this dossier, which Strzok went over to meet with Steele, Steele was a paid FBI informant.
The Democratic Party paid for this dossier.
The dossier was created.
I would go out on a limb to say with help from these operatives inside the FBI, not for them.
I would say with them because it was crafted, oh, just perfectly, perfectly so they could get a FISA warrant, just like an entrapment case.
All these things, when you look at the totality of the circumstances and the evidence, it appears to me that a lot of this stuff was thought up and then created and reported as though it just happened.
Oh, I think you're absolutely right.
It's very much akin to legal entrapment.
It was a setup in street language.
And just I think you're going to find out, and I write about this in my book, that one of the great instigators of the Russia hoax was the CIA director at the time, John Brennan.
I mean, this is a guy who got his hands early on to the dossier and ran with it.
And he was leaking it to the media.
He was up on Capitol Hill trying to peddle it.
And James Clapper was on board.
The Obama White House knew all about it.
And so, you know, they and there was never any evidence of criminal conduct called collusion to justify a criminal probe.
So Comey was clever.
He conjured a counterintelligence investigation.
The trouble is, as Chairman Devin Nunes has said of the Intel Committee, having seen the documents, there was never any intelligence to justify the counterintelligence probe.
So it was all just made up without proper legal justification.
And in my book, I go through the dialogue.
You know this quite well.
It's basically the manual for FBI agents, what they can and cannot do in initiating an investigation.
And at every turn, they violated that manual.
Yeah, and that manual actually was completely, I don't know how to say this in proper terms.
It's completely screwed up under Moeller, where we had 18 hours of training that we had to go through, where to the point where basically what was happening in the FBI was our investigations were so controlled that we couldn't even do a dumpster dive.
That's where you go in the trash in order to pull people's trash out to see if there's anything that they've thrown in there.
We had to get approval for that.
And then the information that we were sending up to headquarters was being fed back to us as though we weren't the ones that had found it.
That's how messed up the whole situation was.
But when we look at the way that this thing has unfolded, first of all, it must be a blood-curdling thing when you're writing a book.
Your book is The Russian Hoax, The Illicit Scheme to Clear Hillary Clinton.
It's got to be blood-curdling every day when you get up to turn on the news or going to report it.
You have to be wondering, is this going to ruin the entire chapter that I just wrote?
Because I just wrote a book myself.
And so this thing was changing so fast.
But on the other hand, it was so predictable.
Yeah, I mean, it's like trying to keep up with a fast-moving train because every day new information would come out.
I'd no sooner than written a chapter than additional information comes out.
And then I've got to go back and add it or revise it and so forth.
But I feel very comfortable with the end product.
I mean, the book really is two parts.
It's not just the scheme to clear Hillary Clinton, but the second part of the book is to frame Donald Trump, which is exactly what they did.
They tried to put together a case that he committed crimes that he didn't commit.
And they used all kinds of devious and underhanded and conniving methods.
And you mentioned just one of them, undercover informant that insinuated himself into the campaign to try, and this was true entrapment, to try to get campaign associates to say incriminating things.
And he never got them to say anything incriminating because there was nothing incriminating that they did.
And why wasn't this same effort ever put towards the Hillary Clinton investigation?
You didn't see sources going in there to see if she was performing espionage.
You didn't see any type of write-up on the things that the people that she had talked to or the mysterious things that they were involved with, the Clinton Foundation. didn't see any of these pictures being put together for that investigation, but yet, and there was plenty of evidence, you know, just a sheer server alone should have completely created a counterintelligence type of investigation to see who that information was going to or who was getting in there to those servers.
None of that ever happened.
But yet, with this, where there's little to know, it's like they always want to say, take our word for it, it's connected to Russia and it's bad.
That's what they always say.
Yeah, you're right.
And it was Obama himself who said in an interview on television that no foreign actor ever gained access to Clinton's private server or email account.
Well, the IG report puts a lie to that.
And, you know, this was a sham investigation of Hillary Clinton.
It wasn't serious.
It was a charade.
And I'll give you just an example of it.
They did impanel a grand jury, but they only used it to issue a handful of subpoenas.
There was no testimony that was presented.
Witnesses did not appear.
None of the usual things that you use a grand jury for were utilized here.
Right.
Which really speaks volumes about what was going on.
So, you know, giving immunity deals to Hillary Clinton aides in exchange for nothing?
For nothing.
I mean, you know, this is former FBI.
I mean, you don't give immunity to somebody without a proffer in which you know ahead of time you're going to get something.
They got nothing.
And they allowed two of those individuals with immunity to sit in on Hillary Clinton's FBI interview.
I mean, that is a tragedy.
Got to run.
Hey, Greg Jarrett, thank you.
It was a pleasure interviewing me.
You've interviewed me before.
So thanks for being on here.
And I'll tell everybody to go get your book, The Russian Hoax, The Illicit Scheme to Clear Hillary Clinton.
And thank you again for all that you do in reporting on this.
Jonathan, my pleasure.
Take care.
You got it, buddy.
We'll be right back on the Sean Hannity Radio Show and go get my book, Sheep Know More, the Art of Awareness and Attack Survival.
We'll talk a little bit more about that.
And I got a little special guest here coming up just a sec.
This is Jonathan Gill.
I'm filling in for my good buddy Sean Hannity on the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
And it's been, I got to tell you, folks, I took two months off, as most of you know that follow me.
I took two months off.
My beloved dog, Rico, passed away.
He was almost 18 years old.
And it was a time of reflection.
I took time off also because, which I haven't mentioned this all day, but one of the reasons why I took so much time off was because my stage on social media was gone.
I got banned on YouTube for criticizing David Hogg.
Facebook, my reach at one point was a million people a night.
It went down to 3,000 within less than three weeks.
And on Amazon, this book that I've been pumping up all night, you know, it could or could not be because Sean's name's attached to it.
And Amazon is owned by one of the most leftist people in this country.
My book on Amazon, for some reason, started to decline as well.
Yet so many people have written me and told me that the book is important and everybody should read it.
And it was getting great reviews.
So I took a step back off of the stage because I had to evaluate if what I was doing was actually doing anything to better this country.
And after reflection and thought, and then being away from the media for two months, I turned the TV on and lo and behold, I was so disgusted by what I saw.
It's like a Saturday Night Light live skit that I decided to go ahead and come back and continue to share the truth and the insight as to what is actually real and what's going on, not just what a narrative is.
And, you know, I had Jason Meister on earlier on the David Webb show when I hosted, and he just happened to be in the neighborhood.
So I was like, hey, come on up.
And he brought his lovely wife, Brooke, with her, with him.
And she's shaking her head over there.
And so I just wanted to bring it up because he's one of these honest guys.
And he's one of these people that when I talk to him, you know, he is honest about how he grew up.
And he, like most young people, grew up somewhat liberal.
And then as he got into college, you saw the reality of what was going on in this country.
Oh, yeah.
And you saw it in college.
And most people don't see that.
Yeah, no, I saw it, Jonathan.
And thanks for having us up in the studio.
But yeah, it's happening.
It's much worse than it ever was before.
These colleges and universities are brainwashing children and students, and it's a terrible thing.
And we really have to address it.
Yeah.
What do you all think?
And I'm not going to press you on this.
I know you don't want to say much on the radio, but Brooke.
But from a parent standpoint, how scary is it to be raising your kids in an environment where they turn on the TV, it's lies.
You turn on social media, they're being pressured to be something that they're not.
And you guys have young children.
How nerve-wracking is that?
I'll let you take your direction from Brooke.
I'll take the direction from Brooke.
I take a lot of directions from Brooke.
But I'll take the answer to this question.
We talk about this all the time.
And as young parents in this country, it is very concerning with all that's going on in this country.
And we even talk about the Second Amendment and how important it is to us.
Yeah, you can't even defend your family in many places in this country anymore.
They want you to rely on the state in order to do that.
Right.
So we're very concerned, parents, and that's why I feel so passionate about this country and where we're headed and the direction we're headed.
And that's why I'm so involved in politics and why I care so much about where we're headed in this country.
And I'm very happy with the work that this president and this administration is doing.
But there's a lot more work that needs to be done.
Sure.
Now, you guys have had a successful marriage and you have kids and you're raising a family.
And today just happens to be your anniversary.
Yep.
Tomorrow.
Tomorrow's our anniversary.
Seth, see, she had to correct him.
She loves correcting people.
What do you expect?
So, and you guys are going to go out and have an enjoyable night tonight for dinner.
With no kids.
With no kids in New York City.
That's probably one of the greatest gifts you can give a parent.
Tell people how great of a gift is it.
If you have relatives or friends that have young kids to be able to go and watch their kids for them and give them a break, how great of a gift is that?
There's no better gift.
That's why we moved to New Jersey.
Yeah, exactly.
We moved closer to our parents so that they could be built-in babysitters.
We're really excited to be here in the studio with you.
So I noticed that Brooke, when I started mentioning this, now she's not so shy.
Now she's agreeing openly with.
It takes a little time for her to warm up, but she has a voice and she's not afraid to share it.
I'm sorry, I just have to interject for one second.
Brooke, if you get closer to the mic, everyone can hear your word of wisdom.
You know, Sean has a big following.
So if you speak, people are going to be listening.
Yeah, you're now going to be known as one of the advisors to the women, the conservative women in this country.
How about that?
So what were you saying?
So what were you saying now?
I said it doesn't take time for me to warm up.
I just choose not to speak publicly about my political opinions as it relates to my children.
And that is awesome because so many people now are so willing to just say every single thing.
It used to be we would watch on Jerry Springer and people would say whatever they, whatever they feel, or they would go on there and act just a muck.
But now it's like every time you turn on the phone, you go to Instagram, you go to Twitter, people are giving all these opinions about raising their kids, about what they feel about this, and they have no understanding of the ramifications they can have on their children.
Right.
I'm just happy that De Niro is, that my kids don't have to listen to Robert De Niro.
Yeah, well, I have held.
My tongue on Robert De Niro.
I'll probably continue to do that because it would get me to where I couldn't host a show anymore.
But I am tired, sick and tired of actors and all these other people setting the standard for so many people and what they should feel.
But let me ask you this, and then I'm going to let you go so you guys can go off and do your thing for your honeymoon.
Enjoy this time off from your kids.
You don't want to spend it in a studio.
But when it comes to President Trump and his family and the way he is handling all these things, because I knew, listen, if you didn't know that they were going to come after his family at some point, then you're living in a closet.
We all knew that they were going to do that.
How does he handle that?
And how have you seen his kids?
I met Donald Trump Jr., great guy.
How do you think that they handle this type of pressure, this nonsense like this lawsuit that's coming against them and their charity fund here in New York?
So there's no question that the dropping of the IG report was what predicated all these other completely nonsense stories.
The fake news media is pushing all these narratives because they knew that this IG report was going to be a bombshell, and it was a bombshell.
If you look at these text messages, they are disgusting.
The fact that the FBI was so anti-Trump and was out to frame him and out to bury a presidential candidate that was voted by over 60 million Americans is despicable.
And it's unfortunate the upper echelons of the FBI did that because there's a lot of great people in the FBI.
But going back to President Trump and how he's handling it, I think he's done an amazing job.
And, you know, the apple does not fall far from the tree is true.
These children are unbelievable.
They are smart.
They present themselves well.
They're articulate.
And I think that they really represent the family very well.
I think they've done an unbelievable job representing President Trump.
And I think that, and if you just look at how successful they've been as a family and how great they, all the great philanthropic things that they've done, and it's really just despicable what the New York AG is doing.
Because if you look at the Clinton Foundation versus the Trump Foundation, there's no question that the Clinton Foundation should be under investigation.
And now they're going after the Trump.
It's ridiculous.
And it's all politics.
And it's all because of the IG report.
Yeah, I believe that.
Listen, you guys get out of here.
I'm going to answer a couple phone calls.
And happy anniversary to both of you.
Thanks so much.
Thanks for having us.
Two great Americans, raising great Americans.
You got it.
All right, so let me do this real quick.
I think I got a couple minutes to take some phone calls before the end of the show.
Let's go to, I want to go to James in Houston.
Go ahead, James.
Yes, Mr. Gillam.
I just wanted to, I'm a former U.S. Army infantry officer and a lawyer, and I wanted to grant a little perspective on how crazy this is that what we're looking at.
17 and 18-year-olds can enlist in the military, and it is week one in processing when these new recruits get their email address and everything, and they're told the issues about classification, what is and what isn't classified, and how, when, and where they can move that information about.
Just misplacing a file that's classified, even if you didn't mean to, can be a violation of the rules and regulations.
So, this whole idea that Hillary Clinton didn't know or these people didn't know what they were doing or anything like that is just absolutely insane trying to push that down people's throats.
It's interesting, brother, that you say that because we got a perfect clip for this that sums up everything.
I played it earlier on David Webb's show earlier.
It sums up everything I've been talking about and exactly what you're saying.
So, let's play the Christopher Raycut.
Because change starts at the top, starts with me.
We're going to require all of our senior executives from all around the world to convene for in-depth training, specifically focused on learning the lessons that we should learn from this report.
Then we're going to train every single FBI employee, both new hires and veterans alike, on what went wrong so these mistakes will never be repeated.
Now, you and I both know, James, that in a real world, outside of the senior executive service, that all these things that they're doing would have gotten us put in jail.
Yes.
And it's insane.
There are soldiers who are in jail because of things like this.
There are soldiers who have simply taken pictures and they've been put in the jail.
There are soldiers who have sent distress signals across the inappropriate medium to tell people that they're getting shot at that get in trouble for these things.
Also, Mr. Gillam, I wanted to say, Grant, a little bit more perspective on what's going on in the FBI, why people haven't been fired.
Real quick, Machiavelli wrote a book towards a print, and he said that one of the things is, is when you become a leader, your natural inclination is to get rid of everybody underneath you that you don't like.
From what I've seen, it seems like Donald Trump is actually taking a page out of Machiavelli's book, and he's keeping everyone that doesn't like him close to him.
So, one, they can prove whether or not they really care about this country and whether or not they're doing a good job.
And two, it gives them just enough rope to hang themselves with.
Because when they do get rid of these people, unless it's a person that the president has appointed personally or has been appointed by a president, the appointments clause doesn't pertain to it.
And as a government official, as a government employee, they actually have a property interest in their job.
And so, to get rid of them, you not only have to have good cause, but these people also get a hearing on whether or not the good cause was sufficient enough to actually get rid of them.
So, what I believe he is doing is that I think that he is taking his time and he is letting out enough rope for these people to hang themselves with so that when they do decide to pull the trigger and start getting rid of these people, the process will be a lot faster because they will not have arguments.
That's why they didn't fire Comey until Comey did a couple different things that allowed Donald Trump to not only fire him, but gave him the cover as justification so that these people that they end up getting rid of do not look like martyrs.
Gotcha.
I hope that the president is listening, and I hope that he knows that we're behind him.
Man, I hope he knows that he can fire these people as well.
Hey, God bless you, brother.
Thank you for your service and for all that you've done for this country and setting people straight.
I appreciate it.
This is Jonathan Gillum filling in for Sean Hannity.
You can find me on Twitter at J Gilliam underscore Seal and on Facebook at Jonathan T. Gilliam, also on Instagram.
And go get my book, Sheep No More, The Art of Awareness.
I'm not going to keep telling you this, folks.
Go do it.
That's my order to you, and we'll be right back.
This is Jonathan Gillum, and we are wrapping up the show.
It was great being back here, guest hosting for my buddy Sean.
I hope everybody learned some stuff today of me hosting David Webb and then now on Sean Hannity's radio show.
This is, I hope I get to do this stuff more often so that I can help you understand that when you watch the news or when you see these government reports or you see these senior executive service members spout all the things that they do, whether they're the political appointees or the people at the top echelons of government, remember, they're not all bad, but many of them are.
And the ones that are have no overwatch.
They don't get punished.
I was just handed an article about a case where a Marine was charged for nothing even close to what Hillary Clinton did over one email.
And he was discharged from the Marine Corps.
And I think he served some time for it.
And nothing has happened to Hillary Clinton because she's a senior executive service.
We need to have overwatch for these people.
We need to know what they do.
There needs to be overwatch where people are reporting on them.
And we need to know what they've done.
And they need to follow the same type of legal standards as we do, where they're charged and they go through a court of law and they are held accountable far beyond what these young military and agents do.
These are people that are given the reins to control the agencies.
They should be held to the standard.
And I just want to say Diane called.
I didn't get to her call.
Her Korean War vet father, Donald Fuller, today would have been his birthday.
She said she was proud of what Donald Trump has done.
Thank you to Diane's father, Donald Fuller, for his service.
And to all the veterans out there that serve past and present, I salute you.
And I know that if more people realized what service was all about, they would also do the same thing.
You can serve in your civilian capacity as well.
Remember that.
Go get my book, Sheep No More, The Art of Awareness and Attack Survival.
That's sheep no more, the art of awareness and attack survival.
I'll see you next time, wherever I'm at.
The truth has arrived.
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