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Well, hello, and welcome to the Sean Hannity Show.
My name is Rose.
I'll be sitting in for him today.
And I love it when I have a chance to join with his audience, particularly now as we end the year and we're going into a brand new year and with so much expectation and hope.
And well-founded, by the way, I might add.
So look, I look forward to talking to you.
You can call into the show.
The phone number is 800-941-Sean.
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I want to say thanks to Jason and Linda in New York, my producer here in Pittsburgh, Greg Maxwell.
And it's just, it's such an honor.
And you know, I was thinking about my relationship with Sean and Linda and Jason over the years, and they are really the salt of the earth.
They are people that it's very difficult, in fact, to find people like them.
I just, I love them so much, and it's just such an honor to be with them today and to be with you today.
So I do want your phone calls at 800-941-Sean.
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Now, on Tuesday, Mike Huckabee had tweeted that he believed a comparison could be made between President Trump and Winston Churchill.
Apparently, Huckabee had just seen the film The Darkest Hour, and that's the story of Churchill's experiences while he was prime minister during World War II.
So Huckabee called it a reminder of what real leadership looks like.
In fact, he tweeted this.
Churchill was hated by his own party, opposition party, and the press.
Sound familiar, anybody?
Feared by King as reckless and despised for his bluntness.
But unlike Neville Chamberlain, he didn't retreat.
We had a chamberlain for eight years, Huckabee tweeted.
And at Real Donald Trump, we have a Churchill.
Now, of course, immediately in response to that, David Fromm tweeted, Churchill fought for freedom against tyrants.
Isn't that kind of what we're doing here?
And Trump gives comfort to authoritarians.
Your fanboyism is absurd.
So David Fromm offering further proof that the left really still doesn't get Donald Trump.
And quite frankly, it's doubtful that they ever, ever will.
If you think about it, from the time that Trump came down that escalator in Trump Tower to today, this is 342 days into his presidency.
He has been a lot like Churchill.
He's been hated by everybody.
Honest to God, it's the same thing.
People in his own party, people in the opposing party, the press.
I mean, just you name it, they hate him.
Except for those of us who support him.
Now, Churchill once said that a pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, but an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.
And I really think that that's been true of President Trump.
I mean, he took one look at the swamp, that's Washington, D.C., a look at our economy, a look at our national security, and he saw an opportunity.
He saw an opportunity.
In those difficulties, he saw opportunity, an opportunity to fix what he saw is broken.
And quite honestly, there's no one else that could have done the job, especially not the way Trump has done it.
He has done it in the midst of criticism.
He's done it where he didn't even have the support of his own party many times.
Now, in the end here with tax reform, they all came together, thank God.
But quite honestly, there was no one else to do the job.
Not at all like Trump has done it and will continue to do it.
And he's done it very well.
You know, I've said for a very long time that when I look at Trump, I simply see a man who loves this country, period.
And a man who probably in large part because of his success in his own life, in his businesses, in his personal life, he has had such success that he believes that he could fix the country that he loved, a country that he saw needed fixed.
I see him like as the mechanic who's driving along the freeway.
The mechanic sees a broken down car and the poor stranded owner of the car standing next to that car.
Now, this man, this mechanic, not unlike Trump, has things he needs to do.
He's a place he needs to be, otherwise he wouldn't be on the freeway, right?
But he can't continue his travel without stopping.
And why?
Because just like Trump, who had places to be and things to do, he had a successful life.
He was fine.
But he couldn't continue his travel without stopping.
Because just like that mechanic, the mechanic who knew that he had the knowledge and the tools that were necessary to fix that broken vehicle, to make the vehicle great again, to get the vehicle on the road and taking its owner where he needs to be.
Trump, Trump is that mechanic.
He's already in just 342 days made tremendous strides towards making America great again.
Towards making it possible for those of us like the owner of that vehicle to get back on the road of life and get where we need to be, where we want to be, where our dreams lie, down that road.
But we weren't a broken vehicle.
Look, we have leadership that's not afraid to take unpopular stands.
Our founding fathers never took a popular stand, but they persevered.
And because they persevered, they're responsible for making America great in the first place.
And I never thought that Trump really looked at the world through the same political eyes that perhaps you and I do or did, the way we used to.
He doesn't view it as a conservative or as a liberal.
I don't think he's an ideologue.
And I really don't think he's a political person.
And I think that's been made absolutely and abundantly clear.
He just doesn't see the world that way.
And a lot of us got that.
We continue to get that.
But we got that when it was time to vote.
When we looked at him, we didn't necessarily see a liberal or a conservative.
But we did see something that we hadn't seen in the previous eight years.
And that's a man that simply loves this country.
He believes in this country.
He believes in the greatness of this country.
And you know what?
He makes no apologies for that.
As a matter of fact, there were no apology tours after he was elected.
And he took that same determination, the same determination that we had seen from our forefathers and other great leaders in this country.
He took that same commitment to country and had every intention and still does, I believe, to continue in his quest to make America great again.
So you know what?
I agree with Huckabee.
The president reminds me too of Churchill.
He kept us safe and is protecting us from what could have been some very dark hours indeed.
Yeah.
Yeah, Huckabee, I think you're right.
He's very much like Churchill.
And there's lots to talk about this afternoon on the Sean Hannity show.
We're going to cover the latest on North Korea, Lieutenant Colonel Buzz Patterson.
I'll have a conversation with D.C. McAllister and Daniel McLaughlin.
We're going to talk about sexual harassment.
And then my friend Greg Jarrett, whom I just adore, and apparently Linda does too, will join me to discuss the latest in the Mueller investigation and where we need to go from here in the next year.
I'm Rose Tennant, sitting in for my awesome friend, Sean Hannity.
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Sean, hang in there.
I'll get to the phone callers in just a moment.
Our friend, in fact, Linda is the one who introduced me to her a long time ago, and we've become friends, and I just simply adore her, wrote a piece for the Daily Caller, and she wrote about another failed prediction by Weekly Standards Bill Crystal.
He had tweeted that tax reform won't even get a vote in Congress.
He did that earlier.
He said he'd be surprised if it made it through committee in either house.
That's one of his tweets from this summer.
So when he was asked by the Daily Caller about his August tax reform package prediction, which I just read to you, he responded Saturday night in an email, I was wrong.
No kidding, Sherlock.
Because I'll tell you something.
This guy hasn't been right for a very long time.
Pickett wrote that Crystal criticized the tax reform package that Republicans passed and Trump signed.
And he actually slammed the $1,000 bonuses that companies were giving to their employees.
He tweeted, don't the $1,000 bonuses suggest the big corporations didn't really need a tax cut for capital investment?
You know, he said, if they're so flush with cash, perhaps they didn't need a tax cut at all.
And if we just want to borrow from the future to give out money today, why the corporate middleman?
Why are you so, I mean, why is this so difficult for Crystal to understand?
It's astounding to me.
It's absolutely astounding to me.
You know, so many of us have stock in these businesses.
So many depend on these businesses for our own livelihoods.
And Kerry points out that he has a history of failed predictions.
And according to Kerry Pickett, they are legendary around the beltway and often mocked.
Apparently in 2011, The Atlantic listed some of Crystal's worst predictions, including former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani would run for the presidency against Hillary Clinton and Clinton would win.
In 2015, he noted Crystal's prediction when he said Barack Obama is not going to beat Hillary Clinton in a single Democratic primary.
I'll predict that right now.
Politico pointed to a few of Crystal's bad predictions last year.
Prediction of 2016, GOP MVP will be Ryan Supriebus, who steps up, ensures open convention.
I remember this, saves the party from Trump and produces a ticket that wins in November.
I remember that tweet.
I just laughed and laughed.
And if I remember correctly, a lot of other people were laughing with me.
So then Billy Crystal on Twitter, May 29th, 2016 said, there will be an independent candidate, an impressive one with a strong team and a real chance.
Crystal predicted one week before Christmas that Trump would fire Attorney General Jeff Sessions and replace him with Scott Pruitt.
Additionally, he claimed that Jared Kushner would be indicted and Congress would fail to avoid a government shutdown, among other failed predictions.
I was shocked to find out that Bill Crystal was wrong so often in his predictions, said absolutely no one.
Let's take some phone calls.
Let's start with John.
I believe he's been on the phone the longest.
Hello, John.
How are you?
Calling from Chicago, Illinois.
Hey, great to see you again, Rose.
I love when you film in.
You got a great radio voice.
Thank you.
I know why, Sean picks you.
It plus your attitude is fantastic.
Thanks for exposing Bill Crystal.
He deserves it.
He's another one of those phony Republicans.
He's not even a rhino.
I think he's a liberal in disguise.
Quick story for you.
I'm as happy about you, probably happier than most people about Trump being in office because I told somebody like three years before we announced he's going to run, even before he even entertained the thought, although he's entertained it back with Oprah like in the 80s, but they wanted him to run.
But when he won, I was like, it was like a dream come true.
I was just so elated.
And you're right.
He's a leader.
He's a true American, and he doesn't care what people think.
It's fantastic.
It's such a breath of fresh air, don't you think?
Oh, I absolutely do.
Now, I remember when he announced that he was going to run.
I remember sitting on the edge of my seat in my family room as I'm watching Fox News, and I'm thinking, what the heck?
I can't believe this dude is saying all of this.
I can't believe it.
But I have to say, at first, I wasn't quite sure.
My husband was on board from the very beginning, but very quickly, I began to see that we needed somebody like Trump.
We just couldn't continue business as usual.
We just really couldn't, John.
And I'm so very thrilled that he won.
I really am.
And you know what?
Nothing he does bothers me.
I'm sorry, guys.
I'm sorry.
Not even his tweets.
I mean, some of them I find disagreeable, but I don't care.
Tweet on, baby.
Tweet on.
Do whatever you're doing because I'll tell you what, these last 342 days have been awesome.
He's made a lot of progress.
What was it?
There's so much success.
I have the story.
We'll get to it later.
Just in one year, 81 major Trump achievements and 11 Obama legacy items that have been repealed.
That's just in one year.
That's in 342 days, not even a full year.
All right.
I mean, he has done so much already.
John, I'm thrilled.
I'm absolutely thrilled.
Yeah, me too.
Hey, have a great rest of the holiday season and thanks for guest hosting.
Thank you for your kind phone call.
I appreciate that.
Our phone number here at the Sean Hannity Show is 800-941-Sean, 800-941-Sean.
And there's lots to talk about this afternoon on the Sean Hannity Show.
We'll cover the latest on North Korea.
And joining us will be Lieutenant Colonel Buzz Patterson.
Also, I'm going to have a conversation with DC McAllister and Daniel McLaughlin.
And that's regarding sexual harassment.
You know, there have been times, and I have said this out loud, and I'm just wondering, is our definition of sexual harassment too broad?
Does it need to be very focused?
Do we need to talk about that?
And I think we do.
We need to have a conversation.
So we'll have that this afternoon.
Also, my friend Greg Jarrett, whom I absolutely adore, is joining us to discuss the latest in the Mueller investigation and where we need to go from here in the next year.
So I would love it if you would just reach out to me on social media.
On Facebook, it's RoseUnplugged.
On Twitter, it's at Rose underscore Unplugged.
And then on Periscope, I made it really easy for you.
Guess what?
It's Rose Unplugged.
Yeah, that's right.
So I'm enjoying my time here on the Sean Hannity show.
There are phone calls I want to take.
I don't know if I have enough time.
Do I have?
Great.
Let's take Dale of calling from Miami, Florida.
Hello.
Hi, how are you?
Okay, you do have a great radio voice.
So do you.
You do too, babe.
Hey, I'm so happy to say we finally got the real first black president in there.
Oh, my gosh.
Is that right?
Is that how you feel?
That's interesting.
He's a black man in spirit.
He's a black man in words.
He's more black than Barack Obama was or is.
I'm certain that you're not taking a very popular stand within the black community.
He's got more black folks working, more black individuals, young black men and women working on construction sites than we're in last year.
And thank you, sweetie.
Thanks so much for your call.
And you know what?
I think you are so right.
And I think that you're going to see a lot more.
And I think for those in the black community, I think things may change.
Their perspective may change and very quickly.
Thank you for your phone call.
I appreciate it.
We'll be back with more of the Sean Hannity show.
My name is Rose Tennant.
Stay with us.
We'll be right back.
Listen, I'd love to have you call in.
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So listen, thank God, thank God, thank God, that Senator Jeff Flake is retiring.
He is a senator from Arizona.
But on Sunday, he said that the crowds at the rallies for President Trump and other Republicans reflect spasms of a dying party.
This was when he was on ABC's this week.
Take a listen to what he said.
When you look at some of the audiences cheering for Republicans sometimes, you look out there and you say, those are the spasms of a dying party when you look at the lack of diversity sometimes.
Okay, spasms of a dying party.
You know what?
I would suggest that it is he who represents the spasms of a dying party.
If it's a dying party, then he's in the funeral procession.
My bet is that he's thinking about a run for president and that Trump will be primaried, he's hoping, in 2020 by his own party.
You know what?
I don't think, here's what I think.
Flake is not running for reelection in 2018 because he has a sense that he's probably going to lose.
He's been opposing Donald Trump since Trump was our nominee.
I didn't like it.
From the moment he was contradicting Donald Trump as our GOP nominee, I was furious, absolutely furious.
And by the way, he also had this to say about the path that this administration is on.
Take a listen to this.
I do believe if the president is running for re-election, if he continues on the path that he's on, that that's going to leave a huge swath of voters looking for something else.
Which path does he mean?
Does he mean the lower tax path, the less regulations path, the booming economy path?
Is it the stronger foreign relations path?
Or maybe it's the standing up to the UN path.
Perhaps it's the pro-Israel path, the undoing of Obama regulations path.
Exactly, Flake, which path are you speaking of?
He just doesn't like Trump.
He doesn't like his tweets.
He doesn't like his personality.
He probably doesn't like that Trump defied all of the elite standard operating procedures.
That's just not how it's done.
Trump is draining the bureaucratic swamp, and the flakes in D.C. don't like it.
They all have their little deals, their lobbyists, and their special interests.
You know what?
It really bothers them that because Trump is a billionaire, he can't be bought.
And I have no doubt that that's really driving them nuts.
Good old Jeff Watson a name, Flake.
I mean, this guy is loving, he loves every 15 minutes of fame that he can get.
But I got to tell you something.
He is way past his allotted 15 minutes.
And I would say that stretching it, Flake, is probably not going to play out very well for you from here on out.
And I would suggest that it hasn't so far.
And that's why you're not running for reelection.
You know, when I hear him talk, and then I think about, remember this meeting that was at the White House, and Orrin Hatch and McConnell, they were all the GOP leaders were praising Donald Trump.
And guess what?
They sounded to me to be very sincere.
I have the audio.
Take a listen.
But this has been a year of extraordinary accomplishment for the Trump administration.
This president hasn't even been in office for a year.
And look at all the things that he's been able to get done.
Yeah, look.
This is a big day for America.
Indeed.
This is America's comeback.
He's got one of the best records of conservative accomplishment in his first 11 months in office of any president in American history, including, quite frankly, Ronald Reagan.
How about that?
Flake still hasn't gotten over the fact that Trump is president and he and the others like him, when speaking out against this president, are they the spasm of what is really at death's door?
It's the hashtag never Trumpers.
It's that faction of the party that is dying.
And may they rest in peace or not?
We'll take your phone calls right now.
The phone number is 800-941-Sean.
That's 800-941-Sean.
Let me take a look here.
Let's take Dominic calling from Chicago.
Hey, Dominic, how are you doing?
Hey, Rose.
How are you?
Merry Christmas.
It's nice to say Merry Christmas again, isn't it?
Feels very cheap.
Thank you, Dominic, and I'm so sorry.
I don't know what we might have done to.
All right, thanks.
I'm sorry, Dominic.
We'll get to you.
We have to figure out why what we did over here that may have changed that.
I don't know what we did, though.
All I did was unplug a few things.
So we'll figure it out.
So, yeah, so Jeff Flake.
So, when you talk about the 2018 election, and that's one of the things that Dominic wanted to turn talk about, it's just, you know, I'm not going to listen to any of the predictions from the left, from those in our party, supposedly, who don't support this president, who still don't understand how this president won.
I believe that we will still have a successful midterm election.
I really do.
And I'll tell you something else.
With everything that he has accomplished, and it's too bad the media doesn't talk about it, because much has been done in less than a year already.
So much has been done.
And you're not going to hear about it from the media, not from people like Flake.
But there has been great accomplishments by this administration.
And quite frankly, when the benefits of this tax reform kick in, and already so many people have begun to see the benefits of it.
Corporations, we have Boeing and ATT and Comcast and Wells Fargo and so many other companies that are passing on the blessings to their employees and they're reinvesting in this country.
So I got to tell you something.
You know what?
Go ahead and predict that the 2018 midterms are going to be down the drain for Republicans.
You can go ahead and do that.
But I'll tell you something.
The American people will see some changes.
And if only the media were honest about some of the other ones that you will never hear about probably if you're not listening to the Sean Hannity show or others like it, you'll never know.
But I'll tell you something.
This guy and so far, those who have been supporting him, I think they've made great strides.
And I think we'll be just fine in the 2018 midterm.
Let's try Dominic again from Chicago.
Dominic, hey, Rose.
Have you?
I appreciate it.
Hey, how are you?
Merry Christmas.
Thanks for having me.
I think, yeah, I think the I think you nailed it.
I mean, end of the year, Christmas gift to the country with a great tax cut, Jobs Act, companies giving bonuses and reinvesting in our country.
That is a great message to everybody who voted for Trump, who believed in Trump.
I can't wait for 2018 when I vote for him again.
He is the best salesman we've ever had since Reagan.
He should be out there all next, all of 28, talking about jobs, jobs, jobs, lower taxes, more money in your pocket, more opportunity, stock market growth.
That's a winning message.
And for any Democrat who doesn't believe that, your time has passed.
And I think Senator Flake is just reaping the sours of his own bad predictions.
And if he runs, I think he'll be like Warren Mondale.
He might get DC or Arizona and lose in a landslide.
So if that's if he wants to run, by all means, go for it.
Go for it.
That's right.
He'll be the next Mondale.
So I'm happy.
I'm a late.
I think the one thing I'd love to see the president do in 2018 even more is re-emphasize the judiciary and the judges and the courts.
He has put up great judges, great district courts, you know, 12, a record for any president in any time in modern history, which is fantastic.
So good for the Senate.
Keep pushing that forward because that will be the ultimate legacy.
And if anybody doesn't believe that's true, think about that.
You know, all the district courts, the appellate courts get all the cases before SCODA.
So he is changing the course.
He is transformational.
I'm very happy.
And you do a great job, Rose and Handy.
So awesome.
Thanks, appreciate you being here.
Thanks.
Good to hear from you.
Thank you so much for your call.
You know, I can't help but think every time I see Flake, it's like he's so proud of himself that he's on television again.
And aren't I so cute?
And oh, I don't know.
The guy bothers me.
He really does.
And I resent the fact that we had a GOP nominee and he didn't support him.
I'll tell you what.
Everyone that did not come out after we had a nominee and support that nominee is just, I mean, they're, you know, where they are as far as I'm concerned.
Lou calling from Harrisburg, Virginia.
Hello, Lou.
How are you?
Hi, Rose.
How are you doing?
Good.
How are you?
I haven't heard from you in such a long time.
This is a relative of mine on the phone.
So I've got family everywhere.
Okay.
We're Italian.
They're everywhere.
We're everywhere.
Nice to hear from you.
So, I mean, are you concerned at all about the 2018 midterms?
No.
Virginia is kind of a weird state.
So we live in the away from the swamp.
We live in the mountains, so there's no water up here, but bad water.
We got to kind of live it kind of like Chris in California.
It's just got to live with what you're dealing with.
But I will tell you this: we're going to save enough money.
We have a small business.
We import wine.
And we're going to save enough money on the taxes that we're now going to offer Blue Cross and Blue Shield to our four employees plus our family members.
That's amazing.
And we're going to actually save about projecting about $8,000 for the year.
And we're going to use that money to pay for put that towards the premiums of the insurance for our three employees.
So we have a total of six people working, three family members, and three employees.
And yeah, 2018 is looking pretty good.
Lou, that's a great story.
And thanks for sharing that with us.
And I'm so glad to hear your voice.
I really am, sweetie.
God bless you.
You know, and happy new year to you.
But see, now that's that's a great story.
And there are so many stories like it.
Someone had tweeted me earlier today and said that their company is giving out a $4,800 bonus.
Some people are expecting raises next year.
Small business.
And I come from a small business family.
My mom had a dress shop.
My dad had a design business, and I understand what it's like.
I really do.
And I'll tell you something.
I have such a heart for the small businessman and woman.
I certainly do.
But it's a struggle sometimes.
And when I see that there are things that will help the small businessman and woman to not only make it through the year, but to grow and to prosper, because really that's why they got into the business, right?
Certainly, it's something they were passionate about, but the fact that they could grow that business.
And as Lou said, he's able to offer his employees benefits now.
I mean, this is, I'm telling you, people are going to, I want to know what the Democrats are going to do.
What the hell are they going to say and do come, I don't know, a couple months from now into the future.
What are they going to say?
How are they going to spin this?
Because people, you can't deny what people are experiencing.
You just really can't.
We're going to take a break.
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Welcome back to the Sean Hannity Show.
My name is Rose, sitting in for him today.
Love his audience.
Love Linda.
And I absolutely adore Jason.
He's awesome.
I was saying Jason is like having five engineers all in one.
He's so amazing.
Anyway, call me 800-941-Sean.
Also, we have great guests coming up today.
We've got Lieutenant Colonel Buzz Patterson.
We're going to talk about North Korea.
We've got DC McEllister and Danielle McLaughlin.
We're going to talk about sexual harassment.
Is there too broad a definition for it?
We'll talk.
And my friend Greg Jarrett, I love him.
I really do.
He's going to join us to talk about the Mueller investigation.
I'll tell you something.
I don't believe any polls.
I don't believe any predictions.
I certainly am not going to listen to Billy Crystal.
There's no one out there that can tell me what I believe in my heart.
And I'll tell you something too.
And this is always astounding to me.
Since the campaign for presidency, when Donald Trump announced he was going to run, I began to get Democrats listening to my show.
It was weird.
I never, in 20 years, I never had the number of Democrats listening to my program.
And then I would, as recent as a month ago, I was in a really cool area in downtown Pittsburgh.
And I will have people come up to me and say, Rose, I listened to your show.
I'm a Democrat, lifelong Democrat.
I'm not the only one.
We like your show.
We like this president.
I mean, this is a phenomenon to me.
I mean, this is really, there's something that the left doesn't understand, that the media doesn't understand.
And because they don't understand it, they could never effectively predict anything, quite frankly, in my estimation.
So who cares what they say?
I don't.
Let's allow Trump to be Trump.
That's something big on my page.
If he wants to tweet, let him tweet.
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Joining us right now is the guy who carried the nuclear football under President Clinton.
And he's the author of Dereliction of Duty, an eyewitness account of how Bill Clinton compromised America's national security.
Please welcome to the show, Lieutenant Colonel Buzz Patterson.
Welcome to the show.
Hey, hi, Rose.
How are you?
Good.
How are you?
Fantastic.
Couldn't be better.
I am so glad that you're on today because, you know, we're hearing a lot.
In fact, one of the recent headlines was that North Korea was likely to pursue talks with us.
Now, that's according to South Korea.
They're looking at a rosy new year.
What do you say to that, Buzz?
Do you believe that's possible?
I don't know.
I don't know if I trust that.
I was kind of heartened, Rose, when I heard that Russia has also come out, so they will not allow a nuclear-powered nuclear weaponized North Korea.
So that's a check mark in the right block.
But I wouldn't, until I think you get Russia and China involved, I don't think there's much hope for any kind of domestic or any kind of diplomacy with those people.
I just don't think they're rational actors in that regard.
No, I agree with you.
I mean, I'm kind of surprised, though, that the South believes that.
I mean, if anyone understands North Korea, I would assume it's the South.
Although I have to say, I'm not sure about their new leadership, and I'm not quite sure he fully grasps what's going on in North Korea.
Would you agree with that?
Yeah, I think it may be more wishful thinking and wishful hoping than anything else.
I mean, they really obviously don't, they don't want us to attack, and they don't want the North Koreans to come across the DMZ either.
So I think they're probably hoping that's the case.
But in my time, you know, 20 years in the Air Force and writing books, I just don't see that being the viable option at this point.
Not unless we get China and Russia to really put the clamps on them and go after their banks, their exports, their imports, that kind of thing.
Well, and it looks like we are putting clamps on it.
Of course, on Friday, there was a United Nations sanctions, a new sanctions that were announced on Friday.
That was in response to North Korea's November 29th test of the ICBM.
And then since then, Mnuchin has released a statement that said Treasury is targeting leaders of North Korea's ballistic missile programs as part of our maximum pressure campaign to isolate North Korea and achieve a fully denuclearized Korean peninsula.
So, I mean, I mean, we are taking steps.
Russia and China both said they supported the sanctions that limit North Korea's access to refined petroleum products and crude oil.
But at the same time, did I just read that there were spy satellites that saw Chinese ships illegally selling oil?
I mean, I don't, I don't know.
What's going on?
Pazwa.
Yeah, the Chinese, a couple months ago, the Chinese said they would stop all oil imports into North Korea.
We've caught them cheating about 30 times so far in the last couple of months alone.
So they're not sticking up there into the bargain.
And here's my real fear, Rose, is that, you know, we've been playing this diplomatic game with North Korea since 1994.
And Bill Clinton, my former boss, was in office.
And having been carried the nuclear football, I'm a little aware of what this technology is all about.
And I think we're really pushing it now to the 11th hour.
I don't see we have much more time to allow him to continue to develop his program.
And I just discovered a couple days ago that the latest defector came across the border from North Korea, not only with signs of nuclear radiation, but also with signs of anthrax.
So that's a lot easier to build and to deploy than nuclear weapons are.
So I think we're getting to the point of no return, and we're at the point where there are no good options available to us.
Now, is that, I mean, I want to hear about these options, but at the same time, what options are actually left on the table for us?
But when I read, I had read that there was a defected soldier that they found to be vaccinated against anthrax, right?
That's correct.
Yeah, and he had antibodies from anthrax vaccinations.
That means that what they're doing is if he's a low-ranking line guy on the DMZ, if they're getting vaccinations, then I think probably the entire country's gotten them for a reason because they plan on deploying chemical and biological weapons.
God.
Okay, so what options do you see that we have left?
And I believe this administration is up for the task, don't you?
I do believe they are up to the task.
I really like Trump's rhetoric over the last few months about this.
Again, we've ticked the can down the road for 23 years, and we've allowed him to get to this point where he is on the verge of being able to launch to hit American shores with nuclear weapons.
And I think our options these days are getting to the point where there are no good ones, Rose.
It's only bad or less bad.
I think we need to go after the banks, the banking system first, cut off all supplies and all revenues going into that country.
And then I'm hoping that we see very soon, maybe his next test launch, that we actually knock it out of the sky just to embarrass him.
And then maybe he'll be great going forward.
Yeah, I think it would be great, too.
That would be the least militarized response we have on the table.
We could do it, and we could do it fairly easily.
And after that, it gets to more advanced on the warfighting spectrum where you start talking about actually going in and preempting strikes, going after their facilities, their missile launching locations, their grid, their power structure, which is very minimal as it is right anyway.
It's only basically Pyongyang has power.
And then it goes, then you're talking about guys coming across the border in full-blown combat.
And I think that's obviously we want to avoid that.
But we also want to avoid, on a bigger scale, we want to avoid him ever getting a nuclear weapon he can deploy.
My God, when you think about Kim Jong-un, and I don't like to think about him, but we're forced to right now.
Is there any other leader in history that we can point to and say, is as crazy as this man?
I know we've had some evil, there have been evil people out there, and they've done horrible things, but I don't know that any of them top this guy.
I just, he is in a class all of his on his own, I think, at times.
You know, I do agree with that.
I think he's really, you know, we knew what we had basically in Saddam Hussein.
We knew what we had in Walmart, Gaddafi.
We knew what we had, you know, with some of the dictators of the past, you know, back in the Soviet Union days, Stalin and Lenin.
So we knew those people were fairly rational actors.
This kid's a total wildcard.
We don't know that much about him, obviously.
There's not any press coming out of that country.
He's young.
We don't know if there are people around him who are going to support him or not.
I mean, there's a lot of things we don't know, and we have a very, you know, difficult time trying to acquire that kind of intelligence.
So I think the best bet for us is to go into all this, saying the guy is illogical, irrational, he'll do something stupid, and then hope for the better.
You're right, because with some leaders, the suggestion that a show of force from the United States is enough to put them in their place.
This guy seems to be more provoked by that, but he's provoked by everything, quite frankly.
He is.
He is.
Again, you know, during the Cold War back in the Soviet Union years, where we had the mutually assured destruction philosophy, you know, they had weapons, we had weapons.
We knew that if they used them, we'd be using him, and they did the exact same thing.
We don't know that about this guy.
We don't know what he'll do, even at the slightest provocation.
Say we do shoot a missile out of this guy.
He may, they may be the point where he tips and goes, you know, comes across the DMZ.
So this is really a very dicey game that we're playing.
I'm so thankful we have President Trump in the seat handling this because I think if we'd had Obama or Hillary ticking the kid down the road even further.
Well, I shudder to think.
Honestly, Buzz, when I think that it could have been Hillary Clinton, I just would not trust the situation to her.
And quite frankly, you know, at times I'm so very angry with the previous administration, but the situation we currently find ourselves in with North Korea goes beyond the Obama administration.
It goes even further back.
I mean, many of them have been complicit over the years.
And we can point to many things that they've done or have not done and say, this is why we're here where we are today with North Korea.
Exactly.
It started in 1994, right before I got to the White House Rose when President Clinton agreed to the framed agreement where we gave him a whole bunch of money and a couple of the nuclear reactors.
And then they kind of kept quiet for a while.
And George W. Bush came into office and didn't really pay very much attention to them.
And during that time, if you go back and look at their missile tests and their detonations, it starts to ramp up right toward the end of Bush Jr., and it really ramped up under Obama.
So by the time Obama left office, we were where we are today, and it's still trending up.
So if you go back and look at the charts, the graphs, it got out of control, basically, started getting out of control under Bush, and then it really took off under Obama.
So it's the time now we put a cap on it.
So, Buzz, you've authored the book, Dereliction of Duty, and you call it an eyewitness account of how Bill Clinton compromised American national security.
How difficult was it for you then?
Obviously, you recognized what was going on.
You knew what was going on.
You must have been, I mean, what was that like to be there then when you're seeing how we're being compromised here where national security is concerned?
Well, for a military guy, for a military officer, it was very difficult, as you can imagine watching this day-by-day drip, drip, drip of Clinton not having his eye on the ball in terms of national security.
You know, during these same years, you know, he was allowing Osama bin Laden to trace around the world blowing up embassies and didn't know anything about that either.
So it's a military guy, you know, we understand command, we understand leadership, and we want to take the fight on head on.
But in terms of being there in the White House day after day after day and just watching this, him continually refuse to take action to call the enemy what it was and to respond accordingly was frustrating and disheartening, which is one of the reasons why I wrote the book.
I just needed to get the story out there that we got a commander-in-chief who failed to be a commander.
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
You know, and we've had just a little too much of that, Buzz.
We really have.
You know, there was a photograph, something you had said just a few moments ago about some of the people that surround Kim Jong-un.
And there was a photograph that was printed that I showed a picture of his sister, and they were suggesting that she was at the heart of the North Korea inner circle.
And that's interesting enough on the surface, but when you consider what you had just said about the people that he surrounds himself with, those that are that he's influencing or that are influencing him, and you've got family members who certainly, when they've seen what's happened to other family members, if they went against this ruler, certainly they're there as yes men or in this case, yes, women.
There's no doubt about it.
You know, his family's dynasty goes way back.
His grandfather and father were brutal dictators as well.
So I'm sure he has people surrounding him that were very loyal to his father and their families as well.
He's probably getting some great advice from them from their perspective about what to do and what not to do because they were trained under his dad.
Right.
So we don't know the quality of people around him.
I will tell you that if you do a little looking into some of those footage, video files that we've been showing on the news the last couple of years, if you look into the audience, the grandstand, when they're doing these test launches, there's always an Iranian officer in the crowd.
So you know that they're working very closely with Iran.
And if we allow North Korea to be armed, it's just a matter of time, a few months, I would say, until the Iranians have the exact same capabilities.
Wow.
We have about a minute or two in this segment.
Could you give me a few of your predictions?
What do you think and how soon do you think this administration is going to take some action?
I think we're going to let the allies, hopefully allies in China and Russia, come forward and be a little more aggressive in this.
And if they don't, we'll have to do something militarily or in terms of us trying to take out their power grid in some capacity or try to take out some of their sites, launch sites.
I think it's going to have to start with that.
If the United Nations and the World Order just get on board with this and start helping out here, we'll have to be in charge of doing it by ourselves.
And I know how nervous South Korea and Japan are, that they're right there within striking distance also.
They don't have the ability really to fight back.
Right.
And how confident are you in Trump's inner circle, those who are advising him?
Very, very.
I'm so glad we had General Mattis, Secretary of Defense, HR McMaster.
I think Trump did a great job surrounding himself with some really key senior personnel, senior leadership around him.
I have no doubt that he's getting great advice militarily from those guys.
So that healthy state a little more soundly at night, but he has those guys around him.
Oh, that's good to know.
And it's good to hear that from you in particular.
I want to thank you so much.
We're talking to Lieutenant Colonel Buzz Patterson.
He carried that nuclear football under President Clinton, and he's the author of Dereliction of Duty, an eyewitness account of how Bill Clinton compromised America's national security.
Thank you so much for joining us this afternoon.
I really appreciate it.
Thank you, Rose.
Anytime, and God bless, and happy new year.
Oh, the same to you.
The same to you.
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Doing fabulous.
Did you have a great holiday?
I had a great holiday.
Hope you did, and everybody.
I just was calling in, Rose.
I seldomly call in, but I just wanted to call in.
I told the screener, I was just calling to say that Rose is terrific, and if she was on every day, I'd listen to her every day.
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Thank you so much.
And God bless you and have a happy new year, honestly.
I hope you have a very blessed day.
I learned more about North Korea and about Donald Trump compared to Winston Churchill, and it was just in and out of the truck doing some shopping.
Thank you, Rose.
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Thank you for your phone call.
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Hey, Rose.
I had no idea you're a disco queen.
Oh, yeah, I never told you.
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How about you, Greg?
Did you?
I'm not a queen, but.
I mean, my disco days are so far behind me, I can't even remember.
Greg, it's so good to have you on the show.
I found out Linda is just as crazy about you as I am.
So how about that?
That's very, very nice.
You guys are kind.
We really do like you, Greg.
Thanks for being with us.
We got a lot to talk about.
I have to tell you, I talked to Louie Gomert, Congressman Louie Gomert this morning, and he was just, he's livid.
I mean, this guy, he wants an investigation into Mueller, and he wants one into Loretta Lynch into Rosenstein.
What do you think?
I mean, we know that Jeff Sessions has directed federal prosecutors to evaluate certain issues requested by congressional Republicans.
So what do you think is going to happen?
Let's get some predictions for the new year.
Well, I agree entirely with Louis Gomert and others who have called for a second special counsel, which I did actually in columns I wrote months ago.
Yes, you did.
Yes, you did.
It's clear to me that Mueller should have recused himself on two bases under the statute.
He didn't do it.
Rosenstein has a horrible conflict of interest overseeing Mueller and the investigation.
He refuses to recuse himself.
And, Rose, that tells you something about these people and their motivations.
And then you add on top of that, you know, the team of partisans that Mueller selected.
You know, they're very much like Andrew Weissman and Peter Strzzok and Lisa Page, all of whom have anti-Trump sentiment that they've expressed.
I mean, how would you like to be investigated by a prosecutor or an FBI agent who has written things that he hates you?
I mean, how fair is it?
You know, how fair is it to you to be investigated by somebody like that?
You know, law enforcement is expected, especially prosecutors, federal prosecutors, to be fair and impartial and neutral.
And these people are anything but.
And I think there is growing circumstantial, strong circumstantial evidence that they fixed it so that Hillary Clinton would be absolved and their backup plan was to frame Donald Trump with a completely fictitious, spurious, you know, investigation into collusion.
No, you're absolutely right.
And when you mentioned Mueller and Rosenstein, and perhaps they should have recused themselves, it does go to character.
I mean, you asked the same question I was about to ask you.
What kind of person, I mean, honestly, when you're in an investigation like this, one that's so important, what kind of person doesn't recuse themselves?
I mean, we had our Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, who recused himself and didn't really even have to.
You're absolutely right.
I mean, think about this.
Mueller is sitting in the Oval Office interviewing with the President of the United States to replace James Comey, who had been fired.
The next day, Mueller takes the job as special counsel investigating the president.
Mueller uttered not a word to Donald Trump.
I mean, that's deceitful and dishonest.
Was Mueller trying to gather evidence in that interview against Trump?
You know, on that basis alone, he should never have taken the job.
And you factor in his longtime close personal relationship and professional relationship with James Comey.
And it's all ugly and unconscionable.
And how can Americans have any trust and confidence in the outcome when these people are so conflicted?
You know, and I'll tell you something.
So we're talking about, we go back to July, and for three months, there were requests from the House Judiciary Committee Chairman, Bob Goodlatte, and then there were other committee members as well who had been calling for an appointment.
So this has been going, I mean, this isn't just something that, oh, God, we're talking about right now.
There were some great concerns going all the way back to the end of the summer.
And they wanted a special counsel to investigate the matters that they find questionable.
It's about time.
It's about time.
They sent a long letter to Jeff Sessions.
Remember that.
Demandus is the Judiciary Committee.
Good lattice the chairman.
And it was signed by every majority member of that committee.
And they posed a variety of questions, 10 or 15 of them, saying, you know, these questions need to be answered.
And they all raise the possibility of obstruction of justice by the FBI and maybe the Department of Justice into the Hillary Clinton email case.
And it's fishy.
It doesn't smell right.
And look, it never made any sense how she beat the rap.
You know, ask any lawyer, you got 110 classified emails sent or received is classified on your unauthorized server in the basement of your home.
I mean, that's a per se violation of the Espionage Act and another relevant statute as well.
And, you know, people get prosecuted and convicted.
David Petraeus is similar.
He took home documents that were classified, kept them in the drawer of his office at home, gave some to his mistress.
That's the same thing that Hillary Clinton did.
She authorized that all of her emails, including classified documents, would be sent to her home.
Can't do it.
No.
You know what?
You're absolutely right.
You know, one of the things that when we talk about McCabe, he's going to be retiring.
I think it was actually Congressman Gohmert that said that he was grilled by the House Judiciary Committee for over seven hours.
It was a little over a week ago.
And he, listen, he really, they didn't like how he was answering the questions.
And Gobert said, I really can't go into detail because I'm not supposed to.
It's not supposed to be made public.
But he was very uncomfortable with that situation.
And it's been said that McCabe remembers some things very differently from some of the other people that had made public statements.
So McCabe's on his way out.
Mueller, there's still talk about, you know, the White House has to consistently come out and say, we've never said that we're going to fire Mueller.
And while that may be true, there has to be, something has to be done about these other concerns that we've had for a very long time now and that you've been calling for.
You've been calling for a special counsel, as you've said, for a very long time as well.
Yeah, exactly.
Second special counsel needs to examine McCabe, Baker, both of which have either been sidelined or demoted, Bruce Orr, James Comey, who I think violated the law on several occasions, and reopen the Hillary Clinton email investigation, renew the investigation with clean and clear eyes and objective eyes,
and decide whether or not this should be referred to a grand jury.
Because, you know, there is so much evidence that people, for political motivations, helped her in order to clear a path for her to become president.
And nobody's above the law.
You know, we don't have kings and tyrants in America.
And so it doesn't matter whether, you know, you're a nominee for President of the United States.
You still can't get away with breaking the law in America.
Greg, there are so many, at least, you know, the ones that are paying attention to all of this.
I know my listeners, no doubt, Sean's, I mean, they are very frustrated.
They need to see something be done.
Something must be done, really, because we just, we feel that justice isn't being served right now.
We feel that when you look at the evidence and the craziness around the dossier, even poor Trump, when he weighed in, what was it, earlier in the week or last week?
I've lost track over the holiday season here, but he said the FBI cannot, after all this time, verify claims in dossier of Russia-Trump collusion.
FBI tainted.
I mean, this guy's frustrated.
We are frustrated.
We need to know that something is going to be done.
We really do.
This phony dossier, which was paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee and put together by a foreign national, constitutes a crime.
You know, you can't do that in a political campaign.
The law forbids it, the exchange of money for something like that.
That is an act of collusion, if ever there was one.
And it was used, this dossier, as the basis for two things.
One, to launch the Trump-Russia investigation in July of 2016.
And number two, to spy on Trump associates, because armed with this dossier, they presented an affidavit to a FISA judge asking for a warrant to wiretap Trump associates, including Carter Page and maybe Paul Manafort.
That may have been a separate warrant.
We just don't know yet.
But think about it.
So Hillary Clinton supplies the money for the dossier so that the FBI can spy on her opponent in a presidential campaign using a fake document to obtain a warrant is a fraud on the court and a crime.
And the people who submitted it, and we don't know yet whose name was on the application for the warrant, but they're in trouble.
And if I were the federal judge who signed off on that warrant, I'd haul these knuckleheads into my courtroom and say, what were you doing?
Did you authenticate and confirm the contents of this dossier that formed the basis for the wiretap?
And bring your toothbrush because you may be held in contempt of court.
Well, I wish it were you that could make that decision.
Listen, what is your prediction for 2018?
What do you think is one of the first things, one of the first courses of action that may be taken where all of this is concerned as soon as everybody is back to work?
Well, I would look for two things.
First, the House Intelligence Committee is preparing a report.
And I think the contents of that report will be damning toward Comey and Mueller and people like McCabe, James Baker, certainly Peter Strzok.
The second thing I think you can look for is the Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz, who has spent many months investigating the Hillary Clinton email decision by Comey and others.
Who changed the wording?
Was it Strzok and McCabe and Baker who convinced Comey to change the wording to exonerate Hillary Clinton?
If so, why?
And of course, it was Horowitz who discovered all of these incriminating text messages exchanged between Peter Strzzok, the FBI counterterrorism official, and Lisa Page, the FBI lawyer, both of whom were involved in the Hillary Clinton email case and clearing her and were involved in the FBI Trump-Russia investigation and then jumped to the Mueller probe.
Are Lisa Page and Peter Strzzok, the only FBI agents in the Bureau?
Right, exactly.
You know, they were involved in three cases.
Unbelievable.
All of which are important and pivotal.
You know, Greg, this reminds me of the Clinton years, the Clinton administration.
There was so much to keep up with.
It was so difficult to explain every little detail that I felt like they got away with so much because it was so difficult to expose it all.
It was just so it was happening so quickly.
I've got to give these guys on the committees, people like Louie Gomert and others, I have to give them a lot of credit because they spend a lot of time.
There's a lot to go through.
There's a lot to understand.
And kudos to them because they're not giving up.
They really aren't.
The Matt Gates and the others like him, they're fabulous, honestly.
Yeah, and I'll be interviewing Congressman Gates tonight on Lou Dobbs on the Fox Business Network, 7 o'clock Eastern.
I'll be anchoring for Lou's on vacation.
And Representative Gates is my guest who will be digging into a lot of this.
They deserve a great deal of credit, as does the staff at the Intel Committee on the House side, the Judiciary Committee, and some of the people on the Senate side as well.
They all deserve credit for not letting this go and papering it over as Democrats and the media want them to.
You know what?
We'll be looking for you tonight at 7 o'clock then on Fox Business Network.
You do a great job, Greg, and we really count on you to bring us the latest.
And I appreciate all your efforts.
And I really hope you have a great new year.
I do, sincerely.
You too, Rose, the disco queen.
That's right, babe.
It's me, the disco queen.
Love you, Greg.
Take care.
Thanks for joining us today.
We appreciate it.
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There's so much to talk about.
I hope we can get to as much as possible.
Joining me is senior contributor at the Federalists, as well as a contributor at PJ Media, DC McAllister, and also an attorney and constitutional expert who co-wrote the book, The Federalist Society, How Conservatives Took the Law Back from Liberals.
And that is Danielle McLaughlin.
Ladies, welcome to the show.
Thanks for having me.
Hi, Linda.
How are you doing?
Hi.
First of all, you girls are gorgeous, and you're so very smart.
And I just love you both.
I really do.
And I like the idea.
Linda put this together, and I think it's time that we had a very open and honest conversation about some of the things that are going on today.
I had just read a piece recently in the New York Daily News.
Christina Hoff Summers wrote regarding the hashtag MeToo movement.
And she said that it's a panic and she doesn't think that that's the answer.
She said, we're at imminent risk of turning this hashtag MeToo moment into a frenzied rush to blame all men.
And I got to say, ladies, I kind of agree.
I've been feeling that our definition of harassment, sexual harassment, has been so broad and that we need to really think about how we define it.
Would you agree?
Let's start with you, DC.
Oh, I agree completely.
And I've been concerned about this movement from kind of the beginning when it first started broadening and including definitions of harassment that weren't actually legal definitions.
And I see this movement, it's not in isolation, of course.
It came after the Women's March after this election.
It's kind of caught up in the wave of the anger and the backlash to the Trump election.
So it's not in isolation.
It's been politicized.
It is part of that.
And we can't look at this without seeing in that broader picture.
So it's not just if people want to respond and say, oh, this is just about women concerned about sexual harassment, which is a very legitimate concern.
I think all three of us will agree that we don't want women harassed.
We are against the kind of abuse of women.
And we need to say that out front.
You know, I support women who have been in these kind of positions.
I know what it's like.
And you feel powerless.
And women should not feel that way ever.
But this movement is a different story.
Getting away from the individual women, pulling back and looking at the big picture is part of something that's driving our society to division.
And it's being fueled by anger and fear and distrust.
And I have the same concerns as Christina about this.
Yeah, I think there needs to be a distinction that's made between harassment cases.
And she talked about this too.
You know, there are some cases, Danielle, for example, the Weinstein case.
You know, here you have a guy who's high profile, not accountable to anyone.
And that is really a very difficult situation to be in if you're a woman and you are being abused by a man like Weinstein.
Then you take a look at some corporations, the company I work, for example, there are levels of accountability and there's steps that I can take if I ever felt that I was being harassed in some way.
Danielle, would you agree with that, that distinctions need to be made and perhaps we have to redefine it?
I couldn't agree more actually with both of you.
I think that we have to have a really thoughtful conversation about what's happening within the Me Too movement and that there is a spectrum of behavior to DC's point, not all of which is criminal or even actionable.
My concern is that, first things first, I'm really happy that people are talking about this because this is something that isn't spoken about.
It hasn't been spoken about en masse really, certainly in my living memory.
I want to say something like 6% of sexual assaults are reported.
And it's partly because there's a huge sense of shame associated with the victims of crimes of a sexual nature.
But I will say that we have to be thoughtful that not all behavior should be treated equally and that we have to have processes in place because I worry about a rush to judgment and I worry actually about a backlash whereby women who are stepping forward are somehow one way or another eventually there's a backlash where women have problems getting hired where women are not brought into meetings where there is concerns that there will be allegations.
So in this sort of soundbite media environment that we live in in a social media environment where everything is sort of is punchy and short, this is a place where we need to have thoughtful discussion about how we move this forward and how we empower women.
You know, and you're right.
And DC, I'm thinking, you know, if Me Too, if hashtag MeToo becomes a panic, and in many ways it has, as Danielle's just mentioned, in many ways it has become a panic, what happens then is that we do lose sight of those women who have had a sincerely and frightening experience in the workplace.
And I just feel like we lose sight of that if we're so worried about every little thing.
If a guy flirting with us now becomes harassment, then what about the woman who has suffered real harassment?
What about her?
Well, when we make everyone a victim, we lose the real victim.
You're right.
Good point.
This is something that we have to be on guard against.
And it's something that we're seeing happening.
I mean, I already hear people not wanting to believe anything that comes forward.
And we saw this with the Roy Moore thing.
I will be up front.
I didn't find the sexual assault harassment charges credible.
My first response was, this is so politicized, I don't trust it.
And I need more information and more time to be able to process this.
Exactly.
And I felt like it was being rammed down my throat to believe.
And I did think to myself, I was like, you know, the sad thing here, talking kind of to myself, is that, you know, I do want more time.
I want more time to process.
I don't like accusation to be indictment and immediately punishing men without a lot of information brought forward, even in the court of public opinion.
I think we need to be judicious and cautious and take our time with it.
But then I thought to myself, you know, the sad thing is, is if this really did happen or if these are cases that this is actually true, I feel for the women because they're not.
I do too.
They're caught up in a wave of a credibility problem.
And, you know, it's just doubt that will drive it.
And I am concerned not only about that, about the women, the victims being lost, but also just the environment of hostility and the division between the sexes that I see happening and how that creates a breakdown in society and the distrust that we have between people and the relationships that are being broken.
I actually think that that long term is the biggest problem that's going to come out of this is a breakdown of relationships.
And you cannot, if you don't have freedom and relationships and you don't have a commonality of trust, you cannot have a democracy.
You know, DC and Danielle, earlier this month, DC, you wrote, Can We Be Honest About Women?
And God, you were so honest.
And it's, guys, I was afraid for you for being that honest.
But you said, here's a little secret that we have to say out loud.
Women love the sexual interplay they experience with men, and they relish men desiring their beauty.
And Danielle, this reminds me of the recent outrage that Teen Vogue expressed because of a sexist, what they called sexist Jimmy Chu shoe ad.
Now, that ad starred this beautiful Kara, I can't remember her last name.
She's just stunning, honest to God.
And she's got these beautiful Jimmy Choo shoes on.
And who doesn't love Jimmy Choo's shoes?
But the ad that was running on YouTube had men say, hey, nice shoes, nice shoes.
And that they considered cat calls sexist.
They were so angry and upset about it that Jimmy Chu eventually took that ad down from YouTube.
But I thought, you know what?
I have had even women say to me on the streets, hey, I love those shoes.
I like it.
You know, my God, if a man still tells me he likes my shoes, at least my shoes like my shoes.
We do like that little bit of interplay.
I mean, most of us do, and we recognize it for what it is, Danielle.
I do not take offense at any kind of comment that's not derogatory or makes me feel threatened that comes from a man.
No, and I don't even.
And I think the key here is what may be underlying the concerns.
I think that we have to live in a society where we can speak freely to one another and we're not concerned that things will be taken out of context.
I think that maybe the criticisms of ads that are considered to be sexist is that there is an underlying inequality and we're still sort of fighting for that inequality.
So whether against that inequality.
So whether that's the number of women in Congress, the number of women in the Senate, the number of women who are CEOs of Fortune 500 companies, I think that's a bigger commentary about power structure potentially.
And I think if we're wasting our time talking about whether ads are offensive or not, when we should be thinking about institutional changes that can empower women and give women a voice.
Okay, Danielle, and you've got a point there.
And DC, I would say this.
You know, we have been taught, at least I have, you are empowered.
You can get out there.
You can do it.
You can get it done.
whatever you set your mind to, you can do the fact that you're a woman should not hold you back.
So if I'm going to be offended by a cat call or a flirtation in the office, then am I as empowered as I thought I was?
I can have victory over that and I can move on.
That does not have to keep me down.
Well, we have girl power.
We have all this feminist empower movements.
We've had it for years.
We're kind of awash in it.
Yeah, we really are.
Honestly, I don't see where women are afraid to succeed.
I guess I don't see it.
I don't either.
I see women.
And I want to be clear.
I'm not.
I'm not saying that I believe women are afraid to succeed.
No, I don't think you said that.
No, I didn't hear that.
Where there is a disparate treatment, where you're in an office scenario and you're not given a project because you're a female, or you're called certain things, or you're given certain tasks.
That's something we need to address societally.
And I do think we can get caught up with, you know, the Jimmy Choo ad when we should really be addressing things that are a little bit more serious.
But we're taught to get caught up with the Jimmy Choo ad.
These young people are, this is what they're reading.
They are taught to get caught up in a Jimmy Choo shoe ad.
DC, why don't you go ahead and finish?
Well, that's the point.
I mean, I agree.
I mean, we shouldn't be having women not getting jobs because they're women in the workplace.
But we have laws already on the books for this, and they need to be reported.
We have HR departments.
We need to educate women on how to work through that in the workplace.
Those processes, I think, are in place.
They just need to be acted on and encouraged in those environments.
But this whole Me Too movement, I see it as something completely different.
And I see it, like I said, within the wave of anger toward a backlash to the election, a fear that's been drummed up that white men are now trying to get dominance again.
I see it in that vein and not really an undercurrent of drawing for inequality by women.
And I am very concerned about the anger and the backlash of the women on this and the divisions that it's going to cause in our country.
It's just going to, and I think it's going to get worse in 2018.
I predict it's not going to get better.
It's going to get worse.
There's going to be more and more backlash and more and more anger about these things and it's going to cause a lot of disruption.
How about you, Danielle?
Do you have the same prediction?
You know, I have some hope for women in 2018.
Just looking at the numbers of women who are running for office, they are exploding, and I think that's a really fantastic thing.
I mean, this year we had a woman, a U.S. woman win the New York Marathon for the first time in four years.
The economy is doing well.
That means women are doing well.
You know, I really, I have hope.
I think that this Me Too movement is not going away, and I do think it's going to continue to be controversial.
But I'm glad we're having these conversations because it's really important.
But I am hopeful for women in 2018, particularly seeing them more active in politics.
I think that would be a great thing.
I agree with you there, too.
Ladies, honestly, it was time to have an honest conversation, and I hope that we continue to do so.
I think that we have to be careful of our broad definition of what harassment is.
And I also think that we have to consider that there could be malvictims in all of this as well.
And when I say that, I don't mean necessarily a woman harassing a man.
I mean that, as we discussed earlier in DC, you mentioned that there is such a rush to judgment that my concern is that these men perhaps have now become a victim as a result.
And that concerns me greatly as well.
So, ladies, you were fabulous guests, and I'm so glad to have you on.
Thank you for your honesty and openness on the subject.
I appreciate that.
And I wish you both a very happy new year.
Happy New Year.
Thanks.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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Let's take Susan, who's calling from Hot Springs, Arkansas.
How are you, Susan?
I'm good, thanks.
I want to talk about these women and harassment.
If you are offended or frightened or cringe because some man compliments you on your shoes, you have neither the capacity nor the intellect, as far as I'm concerned, to hold any kind of office of authority.
I mean, how creepy is that?
You've got to have your own personal strength.
In fact, 20, 30 years ago, when a man would cat call or do something that was a little bit off to you, you would simply say thank you and keep moving.
And that was the indication of your strength, that you were focused on your job, you knew who you were, you knew what you were doing, and you were not caught up in the superfluousness and the idiocracy of everything that comes out of a man's mouth is somehow sexist and offensive.
Consider he just may be complimenting you on a nice pair of shoes, for God's sex.
And furthermore, where were all these people when all this rap music was talking about women and things to do to women that we can't even discuss this afternoon on this telephone?
No, you're right.
Sudden, your dad gum shoes.
Someone complimenting you on your shoes is sending people cringing to the closet.
Men are not going to hire women, and I don't blame them.
Out of self-defense, they need to find the best qualified man they can find and hire him immediately before he's inundated with applications from women because it is suicidal to do otherwise.
Women have hurt themselves again with this junk, and it's a shame.
Well, the problem is, Susan, first of all, you should have been in that segment.
Well said.
And the problem is, Susan, when we do panic over this hashtag Me Too movement, what happens is we lose sight of the real victims.
And there are real women out there who have really been harassed.
And they need us to take them seriously.
At the same time, if we panic and every little thing that is considered sexual harassment, then we lose track and sight of those women who truly have suffered.
And you're absolutely right.
Grow some ladies, okay?
So a guy likes your shoes.
Oh, my God.
Listen, we'll get to a point where we wish men were still looking at us and making cat calls, okay?
So let's enjoy it until we reach that day.
Well, at least my shoes will always look nice.
I guarantee it.
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That total lib Corey Booker had retweeted the 12 days of Feministmus.
You didn't even know that was a thing, did you?
So on the 12th Feministmus, my true love gave to me fair rights and wages, reproductive freedom, no victim blaming, no body shaming, no BS diets.
I'm all for that one, okay?
Gender bias broken, shame-free breastfeeding, equality, proud working moms, male allies, and no tampon tax and a grope-free Christmas party.
Oh, that's really cool.
Okay.
So anyway, and by the way, did you notice that the Senate waited until Christmas before they told how many harassment settlements there were paid out?
Yeah, they waited so that not a lot of people heard about this.
They've released a report revealing that the Senate has spent $1.5 million on workplace harassment settlements since 1998.
We're going to take some of your phone calls here.
Let's go to Kathy in California.
Kathy?
Hi, how are you today?
I'm okay, Kathy.
How are you?
I'm good.
I just wanted to call and I say these women that are doing this stuff now, they did what they did for what they wanted, and now they're paying the piper or they're trying to have somebody else pay the piper for them.
My deal is I went into a manfield in 1968 and I proved my worth not by sleeping to the top.
And these people, these women disgust me because what they've done is they got what they wanted, and now they want somebody to say poor me because they were willing to give up their morals and their mentality to go after something.
And then when these gentlemen took advantage of that situation, all of a sudden now they're victims.
It's disgusting.
Well, Kathy, to be sure, that can be true of some women, but other women certainly have experienced.
I mean, honestly, I've seen other women go through things like this.
And they have legitimate complaints.
They really do.
And there are others probably that have done exactly as you said.
But that's why, again, you know, we have to be careful.
And I like what DC said.
You know, not all of this even falls under anything illegal.
I mean, we really, we are in such a rush to judge right now.
It very much concerns me.
But, Kathy, thanks for your call.
And I understand what you're saying.
Dana is calling from Salt Lake City, Utah.
Dana?
Hi, Rose.
It's a pleasure to talk to you.
My mother's maiden name is Cassetta, eh, Paisan.
Oh, yeah, that's so Italian.
I love it.
I love it.
I know they're from Sicily.
I have family over there.
I'd love to go there someday.
You should go.
I've been there.
I've seen my family.
I've got so many friends there.
I've been there over a dozen times.
I love Italy, just love the country.
I certainly do.
Someday, if you know, I have a business that keeps me anchored.
And of course, that's what I'm calling about.
And you're talking about the backlash.
And, you know, my business is service-oriented, and we're in a very conservative part of Utah down by BYU Provo.
And we hired a young lady out of Southern California who was very smart and very capable and had a really nice car.
And she was just a little too much, a little bit too wild, a little bit too LA, and along with kind of a potty mouth and things like that.
And so after about four or five months, we figured it's not going to kind of work out and it wasn't, you know, a perfect fit.
So we had to let her go and she turned around and accused me of sexual harassment.
I'm in my late 60s.
I'm a bishop in the Mormon church.
It was very impressive.
My grandkids were, you know, upset about it.
I mean, it really was a big deal.
We got it all settled and all the dust has settled down.
And the end result is, Rose, is that we will no longer ever hire outside if we have a position open that we cannot fill from within the company and hire up, which we always did anyhow if the person fit and it was not right.
We will go within our community.
We will go to our employees, friends, and relatives.
We will go within our neighborhood, our church, and stuff like that.
It's too much of a risk to bring in, no matter how talented and how many letters they have behind their name, it's just not worth the risk if you don't know the people.
And so it's kind of a pulling back from the open employee market.
You know, we don't.
And that's a shame, Dana, and that's what we were talking about.
I mean, we don't want it to have a negative effect.
You know, honesty and legitimate complaints.
Yes, yes.
But we do have to define, I think, what harassment really is, particularly in the workforce.
And right now, it's just so broad.
It's so broad.
But Dana, I'm sorry that you went through what you did.
And I appreciate you being so candid and joining us today on the phone.
We've got a caller from Florida.
I think it's Shannon.
Shannon?
How are you, Rose?
Hi, Shannon.
How are you?
I am very well.
Thank you.
Happy New Year.
Happy New Year.
I was listening to the two lovely ladies that you had on.
And where I can tell you I agree with you to a point, I think there's one angle, I guess, of this feminism movement or whatever it is, which I'm just not really sure how that happened, that is being either overlooked, not considered, or ignored.
But and I'm happy to say I'm, you know, I'm the proud mother of a 25-year-old and two more after that.
So in my generation, the mother was at home.
And there was a bonding there that at least the child knew mommy's going to be home every day and there was a familiar bonding there.
Kids don't have time to bond with either parent anymore.
There's this disconnect.
Well, I'm not going to deny that that's true, Shannon, but at the same time, there are a lot of women that have to work and they found a way to still raise good and moral children.
And it really does come down to the parents, whether they work or not.
I think you're right about that.
I mean, on the screen, it says here that we're lacking in certain morals in this society.
I would think it comes more down to that.
It's what we're teaching our children as adults and what we're passing on to them and the responsibility they have to respect the opposite sex, both your sons and daughters, and to be honest and to do the right thing as often as possible, as much as it depends on you, do the right thing and be at peace with others.
I mean, these are things that we need to teach our children and hope that they take those things into the workplace, into society as a whole, into their communities.
And it really just comes down to the parents.
And thanks, Shannon, for your phone call.
I appreciate that.
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Jennifer, thank you for your patience.
Let's talk.
You're calling from Virginia Beach.
Hi, Rose.
What an honor.
You are so sweet.
And thanks for hanging in there.
I appreciate that.
You're welcome.
So I'll jump right in.
And it seems like the Obama holdovers and the FBI are just way off track or hard-headed because there's no evidence.
And I lived in Russia for two and a half years, so I'm working for this whole probe.
But it seems like there's no evidence, so they're just sort of being irrational.
But I have thought since way months ago that there could be, they could be setting us up for an ambush that nobody's really talking about.
And I think there's this ulterior motive.
So listen to this.
What if, because they plan, these Democrats plan long term in a way that's not.
They sure do.
Oh my gosh, you are so right, Jennifer.
Go ahead.
Let's hear it.
Okay.
So right now, we know our election process is secure because it's not online.
And no country is hacking into these school gyms and libraries and like holding guns to grandma's heads, right?
So it's not hackable.
But millennials, and I'm a school teacher and I know millennials really well, they have been conditioned to believe that becoming more secure means updating, updating, updating.
And so what if right now the Dems are not only trying to disparage Trump, but they're trying to purposely create the longest, biggest, humongous headache and this horrible memory of this whole process about Russia and the elections.
So that in 2020, they can say, look, it doesn't matter whether Russia actually hacked this election.
What really matters is that they could have, and we know they could not.
So what we need to do is update our old antiquated system, which right now we know is secure, but they're going to convince these millennials that because it's old, quote unquote, it's not secure.
And we need to update it.
We need to centralize it.
We need to bring it online.
And we need to have security updates so that we can really make sure our democratic process is quote unquote protected.
And this is one of those things where they act like they're doing us a favor, but they are ruining something else.
And I think that they could make it so that it is hackable because they're going to bring it online.
And the millennials will think it's such a great thing because it's going to be modernized.
And it could be the end of our democratic process if it becomes hackable.
And if it's hackable, we know that the Democratic Party is the party, I hate to say this, of the fraudulent vote, but that's my belief.
And so with that, I don't think we could win another election if it's hackable.
I hate to say that.
Well, I mean, Jennifer, don't hate to say that.
I mean, that's a very interesting theory.
And I think there's a lot of credibility to that.
And I think that you have a good understanding.
And one of the things that you said that is absolutely spot on is the Democrats plan.
They plan.
We don't.
We absolutely do not.
And I think the other thing is that we're not, we still haven't figured out just how nefarious they can be.
And we've got to always be on the alert.
But you make some very excellent points.
And that's something certainly to consider, no doubt.
They could be playing dumb and we could be just laughing at them.
And then, bam, in 2020, they get us.
Ugh, it's right.
What were you doing in Russia?
We did missions back in 92, 93, 94.
Yeah, it was a great experience.
Hi, Zratzutji, to all of my Russian pals.
And I have to say, pastitienas, which means forgive us for all of this foolishness that we've dragged your country into.
Wow.
Interesting.
Very interesting.
Well, Jennifer, thank you, and thanks for being so patient.
I really appreciate that.
For this program, and now I know much more about you, so that's exciting.
And I hope Sean, he has so many great connections.
I hope Sean will start to talk about not centralizing the election process, not bringing it online, because right now it's much more secure than if it were updated.
Thank you, Jennifer.
Thanks so much, babe.
Thank you.
Let's go to Bill calling from Raleigh, North Carolina.
Bill, thanks for your patience as well.
Yeah, not a problem.
I said you've heard all the great points today, but I feel the Democrats are getting this ready because I think all, well, it's not even just Democrats.
I think all politicians are scared of something like the Trump family, where the Trump family could be like the Candies or the Bush, where their family actually starts running also in the office.
Yeah, interesting.
You know, interesting.
Well, and I say that because most politicians, how do they do it?
They make money off us, the people, as professional politicians.
And I voted for Trump for the simple fact that this man's not a politician.
That's right.
He doesn't even have to be a politician, and he's already rich.
You know what I mean?
That's right.
He didn't need this.
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
He did not need this.
The way, did you hear, Bill, that a train station that's in the process of being built next to the Western Wall is going to be named after President Donald Trump?
And the decision was made by the transportation minister there, I think, is Israel Katz.
And he said, The Western Wall is the holiest place for the Jewish people.
I've been there several times.
I just love it.
It's such a beautiful place, and it is a holy place.
And I put a very special prayer in there 22 years ago, and God answered that prayer, I have to tell you.
But the Western Wall is the holiest place, he said, for Jewish people.
And he decided to name the train station that leads to it after President Trump.
And that is awesome.
And he said that this was because of Trump's historic and brave decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of the state of Israel.
How many other presidents have a train station named after them that leads right to the Western Wall?
If anyone can follow up a little bit, I want to know where the women are right now that's not tearing down anything the Kennedys did because the way I was taught in school, they did about everything they can to women, unless it's all false.
But they just talked about it, but they didn't really put it down.
And I'm wondering where all these women are right now with the Kennedy family.
Well, that's interesting, too.
Good point.
Thank you, Bill, for your phone call.
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