Sean breaks down the recent indictment of Paul Manafort. The truth is, the bar of evidence for an indictment is so much lower than the bar for conviction. The saying is true, it would seem you really can indict a ham sandwich. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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| One of the things you've got to understand about grand juries, especially in areas where Donald Trump, I think, are 4% of the vote, but putting all that aside, you gotta remember the defense never gets to talk to the grand jury. | |
| You've heard the statement you can indict a ham sandwich, and there's a lot of truth to that, actually. | |
| And the reason that you have Mueller going after Manafort and this other guy's finances is pretty basic and simple. | |
| What do you know about Trump? | |
| You tell us about Trump, we're gonna we're gonna lessen your sentence. | |
| But the grand jury, remember, their standard is far much lower than that of beyond a reasonable doubt. | |
| And that is, you know, po probable cause is not the standard that Paul Manafort's gonna face. | |
| He plugged guilt innocent in the uh in the court proceeding today. | |
| But you've got to understand, so his lawyer spoke today for the first time. | |
| And he talked about what Paul Manafort was trying to do. | |
| He said he was trying to s to seek to further democracy and help the UK come to the US and the U and the EU. | |
| These activities ended in 2014, over two years before Manafort served ever in the Trump campaign. | |
| And he writes, and he says that today, as you've seen in the indictment brought by the Office of Special Counsel that is using a novel theory to prosecute Manafort regarding the foreign agent filing requirements of the U.S. government, and he points out that has only been used as an offense and a charge six times since 1966. | |
| Only one of those six resulted in any conviction. | |
| He said the second thing about this indictment, which Manafort, now his lawyer has finally spoken, which I find ridiculous is maintaining offshore accounts to bring all your funds into the U.S. is a scheme to conceal them from the U.S. government. | |
| Well that indicates that they feel that they've paid all necessary taxes and did nothing illegal. | |
| And offshore accounts do not. | |
| Is not by its very nature illegal. | |
| Now, what's fascinating about this George Popadopoulos, you know, right? | |
| He admitted lied to the I uh FBI. | |
| What did I tell you all the time? | |
| I said, I love the FBI. | |
| And my friends in the FBI have told me, God, do you ever talk to the FBI? | |
| Don't talk to them. | |
| And I said, Well, I love the FBI. | |
| I want to help the FBI. | |
| He goes, it doesn't matter. | |
| He goes, you'll be charged with lying to the FBI, which is a crime, if you say one thing. | |
| And I said, so let me get this straight. | |
| So for my own protection, I can't help an agency that I happen to love and respect most of its members. | |
| And they go, yep. | |
| That's what my FBI friends tell me. | |
| But the Papadopoulos, it's literally he wanted to create an anti-Clinton dossier. | |
| And he got nowhere because nobody in the campaign paid attention to him. | |
| Meanwhile, we have a real Russian paid-for-Clinton DNC Obama paid for dossier. | |
| We've got the evidence. | |
| They paid for the propaganda. | |
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