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Can you elaborate more on what the DHS's connection with the DNC was, or consultation with the DNC was after you became aware of the hacking and they became aware of the hacking as to what was offered them, what they accepted?
Was there any level of cooperation at all?
To my disappointment, not to my knowledge, sir.
And this is a question I asked repeatedly when I first learned of it.
You know, what are we doing?
Are we in there?
Are we helping them discover the vulnerabilities?
Because this was fresh off the OPM experience.
And there was a point at which DHS cybersecurity experts did get into OPM and actually helped them discover the bad actors and patch some of the exfiltrations or at least minimize some of the damage.
And so I was anxious to know whether or not our folks were in there.
And the response I got was FBI had spoken to them.
They don't want our help.
They have CrowdStrike, the cybersecurity firm.
And that was the answer I got after I asked the question a number of times over the progression of time.
Now that was, I assume, totally different from the reaction you got from OPM.
The OPM effort, we were actually in there on site helping them find the bad actors.
Do you know who it was at the DNC who made that decision or who was making resistance?
No.
Do you know if the FBI continued to try to help, try to assist?
I have read in the New York Times about those efforts sometime earlier this year.
Let me just be very clear.
At no point during my tenure at the DNC was I contacted by the FBI, DHS, or any government agency or alerted or made aware that they believed that the Russians, an enemy state, was intruding on our network.
At no point.
And I am a member of Congress who had the ability to sit down and be briefed in a classified setting.
Even Director Comey testified publicly that he wished that he had gone to the top of the organization.
We're one of the two national political parties.
It is astounding that when they had a member of Congress who was leading that organization, that no one felt it was any more important when we had a foreign enemy intruding on one of the two political parties' networks to do anything more than lob a phone call in to our tech support through our main switchboard.
But how can both I mean Secretary Johnson says the DNC rebuffed the help that they offered?
You're saying that no one ever respectfully secretary Johnson is utterly misinformed.
That is simply not accurate.
Much that has been written about the timeline of events by the New York Times, the Washington Post, that document through multiple sources, including me, that the FBI and other federal agencies did virtually nothing to make sure that when they were aware, at the point that they were aware that there was or concerned that there was an intrusion on our network by the Russians, that they did virtually nothing to sound the alarm bells to make us aware of that.
And they left essentially the Russians on our network for more than for almost a year.
Our source is not the Russian government.
So, in other words, let me be clear: Russia did not give you the podesta documents or anything from the DNC.
That's correct.
All right, that last one was my interview with Julian Assange, and then you had Jay Johnson, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Peter King of New York, who's actually a great guy.
I just think he's a little too liberal lately.
I give him a hard time when I see him, but he's a good guy.
I've known him over the years as a congressman from New York.
Here's what this is all about.
You see, you have what's called the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity group.
It's VIPS for short, okay?
They have a theory that has been picked up by the nation, by Bloomberg, by the Washington Times, and by many others.
Now, remember, I've interviewed Assange five times, four times on radio, one time on TV.
I was there last January.
He keeps arguing that the people, and he'd be the one person on the face of this earth, he knows where the DNC emails came from.
Why is that important?
It's important because, okay, why is Mueller doing the investigation?
What is the investigation supposed to be about?
Trump-Russia collusion.
Now, we know it's expanded well beyond that in terms of its scope, and that's what I call investigative creep, and that's a big problem.
And into finances, and into, you know, at this point, who even knows where this is headed?
And we don't like the makeup of what's going on with the people that Mueller is appointing.
And that is eight people that literally donated to Obama and donated to Clinton and donated to Democrats, but not Republicans.
They don't have any Republican donors.
Anyway, just to go on, now, what they found is, and the findings by these researchers, as reported by the nation, as reported by Bloomberg, as reported by the Washington Times, is that the forensicator and Adam Center, let me explain what this is, that independent researchers that go by these pseudonyms, Forensicator or Adam Carter,
and the former found that 1,976, I guess he called it milli, what's the metabytes, I guess?
I don't even know what they call these.
Of Gusepher's files, Gusafer 2.0, were copied from a DNC server on July the 5th in just 87 seconds, implying a transfer rate of 22.6 megabytes per second.
Or if you convert that to a measure most people use about 180 megabits per second.
I'm not the most computer-savvy guy in the world.
And anyway, a speed that is not commonly available from U.S. Internet providers.
All right, remember, these people work at a whole different level than the rest of us.
Downloading these files, they argue, this quickly over the internet, especially in a way that most hackers would use, would have been all but impossible because the network infrastructure they conclude, and I'm doing my best here to explain this in layman terms, through which the traffic would have to pass would further slow the traffic.
However, as the forensicator pointed out, and this is all chronicled in these articles, the files could have been copied to a thumb drive, something only an insider could have done at about that speed.
Now, this is technical, but it's important.
Now, this group, this VIPS group, or Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity group, well, they include 32, 34-year veterans of the NSA that have incredible, considerable technical experiences.
Bill Binney is one of them.
He's 32, 34 years, the agency's former technical director for World Geopolitical and Military Analysis.
Serious credentials.
Edward Loomis Jr., he's the former technical director for the Office of Signals.
In other words, Signal Intercept Processing, as well as other ex-intelligence officers with equally impressive credentials.
Now, that doesn't, of course, mean the group is right in terms of the analysis and finding the analysis on and on and on, but this is a very persuasive and fascinating thing because the implications are grave.
In other words, if it wasn't the Russians and it was disgruntled DNC people, that is the consequences of that, the media lying for all this time, conspiracy theories pushed for all this time, and so on and so forth.
Mueller, why is he even there?
He should close up shop.
Now we have reminiscent, this is now reminiscent of Patrick Fitzgerald.
So another former intelligence professional who examined it, Scott Ritter, pointed out that these findings don't necessarily refute that Gussifer's materials constitute the spoils of a hack.
Anyway, joining us now with reaction, Kirk Weeby is with us, former senior analyst.
He also worked for the NSA and NSA whistleblower.
Brian Finch, he's the co-chair of cybersecurity practice at Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman.
Welcome, both of you.
And I know I'm not really good at describing this.
How did I do, Kirk Weby?
Hey, you did a fabulous job, Sean.
You captured it.
All right.
Explain.
You've read The Nation.
The Nation was the first I saw that reported it.
Explain to this audience what this means.
Well, it simply means that we know relatively little about the entire matter surrounding the removal of DNC emails from the DNC server in the summer of 2016.
That said, and although a Russian hack of the DNC is not an impossibility, based on the preponderance of available evidence, it is almost certain the DNC event was a leak.
You think it's a certainty?
It's almost certain.
Give me percentages.
What do you think?
My mind, about 97%.
So that would mean everything we've heard about Trump-Russia, Trump-Russia, Trump-Russia, collusion, collusion, collusion is a lie?
Yeah.
Well, it's been blown out of proportion.
If someone would have said a possibility, most of us would have agreed.
But when they say it is, it is, without any shadow of a doubt, that is flat wrong.
Absolutely wrong.
What is your take?
I mean, we call guys like you, Brian, white hat guys.
In other words, you go into companies and individuals, and what you do is you basically try and hack them, and you find their vulnerabilities before others do.
And we know identity theft is so big.
You know, white hat hackers is what we call you guys.
But you're the good guy.
You're trying to help protect companies that they can keep their privacy.
You've read these articles.
You've seen their information.
You know their background, their expertise, and their credentials.
What are your thoughts?
Well, I wouldn't call myself the most qualified white-hat hacker in the world if you ask my kids who are still struggling.
Listen, you can diminish your credentials all you want, but you are pretty good at this.
Let's be honest.
Well, I appreciate that, Sean.
Thank you.
I still struggle to get my router to reach my Xbox.
But I think from a lawyer's perspective, what this evidence or what this indicates is that there are multiple plausible explanations out there with respect to who leaked the emails from the DNC.
And more importantly, despite what Congresswoman Wasserman Schultz had to say with respect to cooperation with the Federal Bureau of Investigation or the Department of Homeland Security, DNC made this much harder for itself.
And in a way, I even look at their computer systems.
Now, who says no to the FBI?
I certainly don't advise my clients to do that.
Whenever we get the opportunity to work with FBI or Secret Service, we welcome them in.
Because we've got to assume they're the best at what they do, right?
And that they're...
Absolutely.
Plus, there is the fact that at the end of the day, if there's been a criminal activity, they're the ones who are going to prosecute it.
Here's my next question.
We all know what happened when the WikiLeaks reveal came out.
Now, the next question, logical question, is, do we tie this Kirk Weeby in any way?
Or would you, in your mind, tie it, or at least be suspicious of what this guy, this IT specialist and this family that made all this money from Democrats over billing, former McDonald's worker, former car dealer guy, and then government computers and hard drive busted up in his garage?
Yeah, it gets murky.
And with the recent uncovering of the guys who are working for Debbie Wasserman's shelves, I mean, all these avenues are opening up.
None of them are giving us answers.
What bothers me the most, though, Sean, is that the government could have disclosed evidence by now showing us that our thinking is wrong.
And it hasn't.
Do you know in 1983, President Reagan just— I want you to hold that thought.
Don't— Don't go anywhere because that's an important thing.
You're saying that the government already knows this part, Russia-Trump collusion.
You're saying that they already know?
Yeah, I think they know.
And they wouldn't tell the American people?
Well, I think they can't tell the American people.
And what I want to contrast is President Reagan disclosed the intercept of the KAL shootdown in 1983 on the floor of the United Nations to prove what the Russians did.
Stay right on the street.
Take a break.
Well, we have all those people saying we have no evidence.
No evidence.
But the media still went with it.
All right.
Now, I don't know the answers to these questions, but when the nation, the Washington Times, Bloomberg, and people with those credentials are saying this, I'm suspicious.
I want answers.
The American people deserve the truth, and they deserve answers.
And asking questions is a good thing for the country.
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Brian Finch, Kirk Weeby, is with us.
All right, so 97% you think it was a DNC disgruntled Bernie person.
Am I getting that right, Kirk?
Yeah, that's my belief, Sean.
And you believe the government probably knows the truth, but they're not telling us.
Does Donald Trump know the truth?
Well, let's put it this way.
It's either that they won't tell us the truth or they don't have any evidence to support their claim and they don't want to embarrass themselves.
All right.
So then the next logical question is, why don't they dig deeper?
Why don't they get to the truth?
That is a good question.
Because I don't know the whole truth.
All I know is these are really respectable, credentialed people.
Don't you think Brian Finch?
I do.
I absolutely do.
What did you think when you read it?
Let me ask that.
What did you think when you read the nation piece?
Well, as you mentioned earlier, I mean, I thought it was a remarkable collection of sources here.
You've got the left with the nation, the right with the Washington Times, and basically the center with Bloomberg here.
So this is not just some partisan or outlandish conspiracy theory.
As you said, it was not earlier.
It's certainly something that needs to be followed up on.
And when I read this story about, you know, the possible insider theft of these emails, it's as plausible as anything that's out there.
I think it deserves equal weight in terms of the investigation.
And more than anything else, Sean, it just reinforced my personal belief that, look, we know Russia tried to impact the election in some way, shape, or form, but to allege collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government is just more denial on the part of the folks who are anti-Trump.
I'm running out of time.
Do you think that the nation really believes they've got this nailed?
That's why a left-wing publication did this because they're sending a signal to all their friends that have gone out so far on the limb and are wrong.
Are they trying to say something with this piece?
I think there's certainly a lot of anger at the Washington Schultz and the way the DNC was run for years and ignored and in their minds really put the screws to Bernie Standard.
Biggest media lie ever.
Boy, there's been a lot of them.
I put it up there.
I'd have to sit and think about my collection of the collection of lies that have been out there.
You got to roll.
I love you both.
Wish I had more time.
Kennedy.com.
This is not okay, I thought.
It was incredibly uncomfortable.
He was literally breathing down my neck.
My skin crawled.
Back up, you creep.
Get away from me.
My nurse came back to the room, found me with my bloody, swollen lip, and we left immediately and came home.
He was getting ready and went to the door, and there I sat on the bed, just devastated.
And he goes to the door, casually puts on his sunglasses, and says, you better get some ice on that.
She held on to my hand, and she said, Do you understand everything that you do?
I mean, cold chills went up my spine.
That's the first time I became afraid of that woman.
This is not okay, I thought.
It was incredibly uncomfortable.
He was literally breathing down my neck.
My skin crawled.
Back up, you creep.
Get away from me.
She didn't even stand up for the women that knew what her husband did, and she knew what her husband did to those women.
There's no way that she did not know that.
This is not okay, I thought.
It was incredibly uncomfortable.
He was literally breathing down my neck.
My skin crawled.
Back up, you creep.
Get away from me.
We will destroy you, is what they said to me.
Who said?
My brother said it on behalf of Billy when he was campaigning for him in 1992.
This is not okay, I thought.
It was incredibly uncomfortable.
He was literally breathing down my neck.
My skin crawled.
Back up, you creep.
Get away from me.
Bill, you're in any danger, people.
Not anymore.
I used to.
You used to think that you were physically.
Yeah, I was.
I was very scared.
I was horribly, horribly threatened.
And people don't know that story.
This is not okay, I thought.
It was incredibly uncomfortable.
He was literally breathing down my neck.
My skin crawled.
Back up, you creep.
Get away from me.
Did you see what happened to Jennifer Flowers?
Did you see what was happening to Paula Jones?
My allegation.
Yes.
No, not afraid.
I just knew what would happen.
This is not okay, I thought.
It was incredibly uncomfortable.
He was literally breathing down my neck.
My skin crawled.
Back up, you creep.
Get away from me.
If I ever had to meet her in person, it would be very hard for me not to walk up and smack her.
I know that sounds mean.
I mean, she put me through a lot at 12 years old.
I mean, I had to go look through this window and ID these guys.
I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic and we should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration.
All right, that Hillary Clinton's new book and her latest excuse about why she lost.
It's not the first time she claims that somebody invaded her space and she said it about Rick Lazio.
Her new book is called What Happened.
But of course, the only person not to blame is her.
Back up, you creep.
And then the women you heard from Paula Jones and Kathleen Willie and Dolly Kyle and Juanita Broderick.
Hillary was silent in all of those instances and very, very severe statements made about her husband.
And may I add that the Clinton Foundation did take money from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Kuwait and Oman and Qatar and Algeria and Brunei and Saudi Arabia.
You know, women can't drive and are told how to dress and gays and lesbians are killed.
Women can't travel abroad.
They can't work unless they get permission.
And gays and lesbians are killed and Christians and Jews persecuted.
And in the UAE, well, let's see.
They have a law that states women have a right to work without being held disobedient.
That's nice.
And the penal code in the UAE gives men the legal right to discipline their wives and their children, including physical violence.
And in Kuwait, women have been denied the right to become public prosecutors and judges.
They don't have the same rights as men to obtain nationality for even their spouses and kids.
And there's no laws prohibiting domestic violence, sexual harassment, or marital rape.
And I can go on from there, but I don't want to put Rick Unger in too big a hole.
Rick Unger joins us of the Steel and Unger Show.
Jonathan Gillum is with us.
Well, how are you going to wiggle out of this one this week?
I'm just, you know, I obviously didn't get the memo.
I thought the election was over and you're still litigating.
No, no, no, no, no.
You don't get to dodge by saying the election is over.
Hillary's release came out yesterday.
Therefore, it is news when she's saying, oh, during the debate, I said, oh, he is invading my space.
This is not okay.
This is not uncomfortable.
It was incredibly uncomfortable.
He was literally breathing down my neck.
So that brings up issues about whether or not Hillary's, you know, support of those countries and taking their money and all these other women, she remains silent.
That's quite a leap that it brings up those.
I don't think so.
Jonathan, do you think that's a leap?
I've debated leaps.
I don't know what that means when he's saying that's elite.
No, he said it's a leap.
I have to believe, and I've had men get into my space and turn to them and said, little room, please.
What does that mean?
Every time you get near me, I say, can I have some space, please?
Every time you come near me, I say, back up, you creep.
You support the United Arab Emirates and all those other places you listed.
Well, why would you take money from countries that abuse women, kill gays and lesbians, and persecute Christians and Jews?
I wouldn't take money from them, would you?
Actually, no, I actually wouldn't take money from them.
No.
So, I guess even though Donald Trump might have gotten close to her during a debate, what's wait a minute?
What's worse?
The way Donald Trump might have gotten close to her during a debate, or the fact that she took money from countries that abused these groups?
Gee, we could probably wind that logic out forever if we were to.
No, I don't really think so, but it's a simple question, Rick.
I don't, I'm going to answer it.
I don't like that she took money.
I don't like that the Clinton Foundation took money from those countries and then turned around and I just want a big bet with Linda because I said you're going to say that got to do with it.
I said to Linda, Jonathan, I said, Unger's going to dodge Duck, and then he's going to say, Well, I don't agree with that personally.
That's what I predicted he'd say it.
Well, first off, let me say that I feel the exact same way when I first met Rick Unger.
I was like, Come on, you're breathing on me.
Back up a little bit, Unger.
No, I'm just kidding.
Unger's a great guy, but seriously, that's one of the good things about Unger is that he does eventually admit what is real.
But I think, you know, the thing with this Hillary, the whole Hillary Clinton thing, sometimes I wonder if they are just doing these things to remain in the news, to remain, because they subscribe to the Saul Olinski tactic of just be out there, make noise so that people continue to remember your name, and then when you get a chance to start slamming the enemy, that's what you do.
And that's this whole Saul Olinski tactic.
Just remain relevant.
Let me get more cynical with you.
You know what my analysis is?
Yeah.
I just think that book?
My analysis, I think the Clintons just went, they just want to get every penny and milk their public positions dry.
It's like there's nothing they won't do.
I say, well, that's closer, at least.
It's so nefarious.
She wrote that book because she got a ton of money to write the book, like all people who write books.
Would you ever do an audio book like Hillary?
I felt he was invading my space.
I was uncomfortable.
Would you ever do that?
So now we're, would I do an audio book?
Sure, I do an audio book if somebody wanted an audio book from me.
You wouldn't.
But I mean, you know, reading, what can I tell you?
What can I tell you?
So she's not.
Now, let me move on to a more serious issue.
Let me play part of what I did in my monologue last night, and that is, and I've made the prediction last week that the whole issue would have started in Charlottesville.
It doesn't matter how many times, how many ways that Donald Trump says, and he said it in 91 with Larry King, and he said it to Matt Lauer 20 years ago, and he said it all throughout the campaign, and he said it ever since Charlottesville, but it doesn't matter.
The left wants to bludgeon him politically, and the left wants to portray every conservative Republican and this president as racist.
For example, this is the president disavowing, denouncing racism, white supremacy for the evil it is.
What do you see as the biggest problem with the Reform Party right now?
Well, you've got David Duke just joined.
A bigot.
A racist.
A problem.
I mean, this is not exactly the people you want in your party.
I totally disavow the Klunt Klux Klan.
I totally disavow David Duke.
David Duke announced his Senate candidacy, claiming your agenda for his own, or essentially saying, Glad that you spoke out.
Are you ready before you ask the question?
Newt Gingrich said every Republican should repudiate this guy no matter what it takes.
And I do.
Are you ready?
Rebuked.
Is that okay?
Rebuke.
Rebuke.
Done.
Done.
Okay.
How do you feel about the recent endorsement from David?
I didn't even know he endorsed me.
David Duke endorsed me.
Okay.
All right.
I disavow.
Okay.
And I don't mind disavowing anybody, and I disavow David Duke.
And they heard me very easily disavow David Duke.
How would you characterize him?
More words than one.
David Duke.
David Duke is a bad person who I disavowed on numerous occasions over the years.
Just to put it clear, I disavowed him in the past, and I disavow him now.
I reject David Duke.
Rejected David Duke.
I've rejected the KKK, the Ku Klux Klan.
From the time I'm five years old, I rejected them.
Mitt Romney says your coddling of repugnant bigotry is not in the character of America.
Your response.
Yeah, David Duke and all were disavowed.
I disavowed him on Friday.
I disavowed him right after that because I thought if there was any question, and you take a look at Twitter almost immediately after on Twitter and Facebook, they were disavowed again.
All right, because I'm running out of time, let me just give a quick headline answer from Rick Unger.
Then I got to take a break.
You get the point, I assume.
Yeah, but you must have a little more time to play the audios where the president, when he wasn't the president yet, told us he had no idea who David Duke was and how it took him all that time to get to the point.
No, wait a minute.
That's not my interpretation.
I don't know this guy.
I mean, that's what he was saying.
I have no idea who David Duke is.
You should play the tape.
You must have.
I have the tape, but I interpreted it differently than you did.
Jonathan, how did you interpret it?
I interpreted it as though he's saying he doesn't know him.
Not to know who he is.
He doesn't know.
He doesn't know him.
And that's the point.
I guess there weren't enough dings in there for Rick.
We'll take a for Ring.
We'll take a quick break, come back, and continue.
All right, as we continue, Rick Unger is with us along with Jonathan Gillum.
And all right, Rick, I'll give you a chance.
But I mean, you know, the media, except for me, I don't know one person in the media that played the president year in, year out, as many times as he has, denouncing white supremacism again and again, and David Duke and the Klan again and again and again.
I don't know how he could have denounced David Duke all that time because his quote was, I don't know any, honestly, I don't know David Duke, which would speak to your interpretation.
I don't believe that I have ever met him.
That could speak to your interpretation.
I'm pretty sure I didn't meet him.
And I just don't know anything about him.
Well, if he doesn't know anything about him, why would he be denouncing him?
He just knows he's the former Klan white supremacist guy.
Okay.
Yes, he is.
You know what?
You're making my point, Jonathan.
And I just don't know.
I don't think so.
No, I do.
I really believe I'm right and you're wrong.
Shocking.
Jonathan?
No, you know, this splitting of hairs that happens on the left is, well, it's in politics in general, but when the president says that he doesn't know David Duke, he doesn't know anything about him, things like that will get spun up by people like Don Lemon, CNN, where they just go crazy on this soundbite.
And people really have to stop looking at these soundbites because what you just played was a montage of disavowing, telling people that he understands who he is, but he doesn't know him.
And people don't take the full content, and we're stuck on these soundbites in this country.
Well, that's the point.
I played 50 things, and Rick goes to one thing that can be interpreted both ways.
And it's so fundamentally unfair.
And this is what happens every two and four years.
We just listened to an entire three minutes of soundbite.
And I've got more.
We didn't finish it.
I'm sure you do.
And now Jonathan's saying we're splitting hairs by actually listening to something the president said.
Don't do that.
That's splitting hairs.
You're judging off of one single soundbite when there's tons of them.
Do you think the president's racist?
Rick Unger, do you think the president's racist?
Actually, I don't because I've never met the president.
I think the president has been a little too supportive of people I do think are racist.
Oh, good.
How has he been supportive of racist?
I think you know.
I mean, because he says I want to vet people and build.
Do you think saying you want to vet people and build the wall is racist?
No, that wasn't what was in my head at all, actually.
I never know.
Nobody could ever figure out what's in that head of yours.
No, it's very difficult.
No, I would, you know, it's hard for me to accuse somebody of as being a racist.
How many more times does he need to disavow to make the left, you know, realize that he's not?
And how many times does he need to say they're evil and repugnant and disgusting?
Well, you know what, Sean?
And he did praise the protesters of Boston, peaceful protesters.
It's not just a concern of the left.
You know, you might have been able to say that a month ago.
I don't think you can say that anymore.
The Never Trumpers are the Never Trumpers have always been out there just waiting to say, see, we were right.
But then there are those very rational, reasonable people throughout America.
They don't identify as left or right, and they don't like what they heard and saw either.
But he said he didn't like what he saw.
He said it again and again.
That's my only point, and nobody in the media plays it.
But all right, I got a roll.
Rick Unger, thank you as always, Jonathan Gillum.
When we come back, we got a really powerful debate.
You don't want to miss this.
We're going to check in with Spencer Tillman and also our friend Dan Bongino.
Why did ESPN take Robert Lee off the air?
There is this ESPN play-by-play guy, Robert Lee.
And I mentioned this yesterday.
I am just amazed at sports broadcasters.
I wish I could do what they do.
I can't.
And I mentioned, for example, the NHL.
If you watch NHL networks, if you watch NBC Sports, and they've got every NHL night, rivalry night on the NHL.
And you just listen to, you know, this guy, Emmerich, who's the broadcaster, he's so amazing.
I'm like, how does he possibly do this?
On the drive from Craig to Star.
Just went to the outside.
Drummond Fred Penny Stop.
Lost it, poked away by March on.
Dances to the outside, takes his own pass.
March on the long and front.
He's gone.
Now you can just hear, and it doesn't matter in the case of, it's sort of like radio broadcasting, although he's on television, Doc Emmerich.
And I'm just, it's really hard to follow hockey play by play like that.
And he does it so well.
Anyway, I was very aware of who Robert Lee was, and he was scheduled to do the UVA home opener.
And then the USPN president decided to send out a memo, and they had had a meeting, and they decided because his name is Robert Lee, he happens to be an Asian American.
It shouldn't matter.
He's a great broadcaster.
The guy's amazing.
And they said, well, because your name is Robert Lee and we have the monument issue and we're debating whether or not to take in, of course, they're talking about Robert E. Lee.
Well, we're going to put you on a different broadcast.
And I'm like, this is the single dumbest thing I think I've ever heard in my life.
And just listen to what a great broadcaster Robert Lee is.
Robert Lee, Nate Ross, back with you.
Asheville controlled that first half-led for about 15 and a half minutes.
Have matched their biggest lead, six points here at halftime, led as always by Ahmad Thomas.
12 points in 12 minutes.
Final five and a half seconds.
They get in in for Teague.
He starts up the court with three.
Teague trying to get the shot away.
He will.
A steal!
Teague, ahead for Thomas, full hammer at home!
Winter timeout.
A 6-0.
First and 10 from the 35.
Pump Fake.
Throw wide open.
You open he's got it for a touchdown.
Brown.
And the race was all.
I grew up loving the radio.
My parents, it wasn't shut off the TV.
It was turn the radio off.
And I was up late at night and I'd listen to the radio.
It drove my parents nuts.
They'd try to steal my radio and I'd find another one.
And he's, could you imagine?
All of that is extemporaneous.
You've got to know the players.
You got to know the names.
You got to go to the 25, the 20, the 15, the 10, you know, touchdown and make it exciting.
And they do.
It is one of the most gifted, incredible skills.
To do this is insanity.
Anyway, here to get some opinion on it.
My good friend Spencer Tillman.
He's the lead studio analyst for college football today, CBS Television Network, pregame, halftime studio show.
Former running back, by the way, eight seasons with the Houston Oilers at the time and San Francisco 49ers.
Dan Bongino is with us.
Former Secret Service agent, NYPD, also contributing editor of Conservative Review.
Welcome both of you back to the program.
Thank you for being happy with you.
Spencer, you know my love of sports, and I don't know if you've always known my love of sports broadcasters, but I'm fascinated with them because I can't do what they do.
Yeah, you do.
You do it every single day.
No, not what they do.
I don't have to identify everybody's name and be able to pronounce it right.
Yeah, but you say what you see.
Nobody is so deaf with understanding the names of politicians that the movers and the shakers in this business.
It's not the same.
You're being a friend.
It's not the same, Spencer.
It's much different.
It's harder.
In real time, it's faster.
No question about that.
It's faster.
It takes, yeah, no question.
It's a skill.
Look, you have this skill.
You're an amazing broadcaster.
And Dan Bongino.
He's filled on this program.
He's an amazing broadcaster.
And I'm looking, and you knew who Robert Lee was before this.
I knew who Robert Lee was before this.
Maybe a lot of people didn't.
I don't know.
I think he's pretty popular, actually.
And, you know, and then they pull this move.
What was your reaction, Spencer?
Well, listen, I never, I try to refrain from commenting on what other networks do at the bottom because it's just courtesy more than anything else.
But generally, it is an overreaction to society.
You know, we're so politically correct.
And I get frustrated because we're not tackling the real issues.
We're dealing with these ghosts and perceptions of what are the real issues.
And so I'm disappointed in any network, anyone, any leader, any administrator that would make that call, whether it happened at the regional level or the network level, as we're learning in these days after the event.
It doesn't really matter.
The sentiment, if you're in charge of a responsibility of making those kinds of choices at any level, you got to have a worldview.
You got to have a sense of history and understand what matters.
And that has to filter in your choices that you make.
So I'm disappointed that the people who are responsible for being the pathway or the conduit through which we see such an important aspect of our community that is sport through our daily lives.
I'm disappointed that they didn't exercise better judgment in that regard.
You are so diplomatic and so nice, which goes to the, listen, if everybody, anybody that knows you, that's who you are.
I get it.
And you're just a nice person.
You know who one of my favorite sports, opinionated sports commentators is, and he's a good friend of this program and of mine.
And I'm jealous because he's going to be at the Mayweather McGregor fight.
He's covering it, is Stephen A.
And I just worry that Stephen A, one day, because ESPN is so quick to fire, somebody says something controversial, oh my gosh, gee, whiz, we can't, it's like we feign this outrage when people give strong opinions.
And I'm like, I love strong opinions.
Bring it on.
Let's hear it.
Let's have a solid debate about it.
My opinion is this.
It's like Bill Walsh used to tell us when I was with the 49ers, complexity and preparation, simplicity and execution.
You've got to spend a lot of time knowing your history, knowing the games, as the case may be.
We're talking about sportscasters, controversial issues.
You better do a deep dive before you make that kind of choice and that decision.
That's all I'm saying.
I'm disappointed that they didn't do a deeper dive.
That was a superficial knee-jerk reaction response to a situation.
If we keep Spencer on long enough, he's going to open up, and he's opening up now, and it's coming flying out.
Let me go to my buddy Dan Bongino here.
And I guess it also raises issues of Colin Kaepernick.
We'll get to in a second, but what is your take, Dan?
Yes, Spencer is, he's a gentleman.
I really admire his restraint.
Unfortunately, I don't have that kind of control.
No, if we keep him on an hour, it'll be flying off the handle.
It's going to be great in an hour.
If you put two beers, you give him two beers, it's even going to be greater.
That's right.
Get those inhibitions down.
No, and listen, this is peak liberal craziness.
I mean, we've reached peak.
It's Saturday.
Sean, I swear on my life, when I saw this story, I was watching Fox, and it came up on my life.
I thought it was a joke.
I thought talking about something like a story about a fake Trump tears thing.
And I thought, I said to my wife, Paul, I go, Paula, this is so funny.
Listen to this stupid story.
They kicked an Asian broadcaster off because he shares the name of the Confederate general.
And my wife goes, Dan, this is true.
Like, this is, I'm just, I'm moving in now.
You can't believe it.
You know, it's funny because you and I have.
There's so much fake news out there.
There's a story that I spent at a Trump hotel, like $42,000 or $7,000, and I made them fly in a 70-year-old lobster.
And another story that said, I died in a bicycle accident.
And I'm like, where does this crap come from?
I don't blame you for thinking it's fake news.
Noah, when your livelihood is what we do, which is picking apart liberal silliness, even us, we were like, no, come on, this can't be.
I know.
It just goes to show you this one.
Here's the takeaway: that liberals have America believing right now that a fringe portion of America, not all Democrats, but literally the fringe left of the far left, that that is a position widely held.
And that is what scared ESPN to the point where they removed an Asian American broadcaster for fear of associating him with a Confederate general dead more than 100 years.
It is literally insanity.
Like insane.
Crazy.
All right, guys, I hate to stop any good debate.
Stay right there.
We'll continue.
All right, as we continue, Sean Hannity Show, we continue with Spencer Tillman and Dan Bongino.
Let me throw this at you.
And I am a huge free speech advocate.
And Colin Kaepernick, he was one of, he was on track.
He had a trajectory, I thought, to be one of the best quarterbacks from the NFL ever.
I mean, his arm is phenomenal.
And I watched this whole thing unfold last year, and he has every right.
And frankly, I respect it.
He knows he's going against a lot of people's beliefs, and he's standing out there on his own, and he knows the consequences, and he's willing to stand up for what he believes in.
I have no problem with that at all.
But then when teams don't want to hire him, you know, I understand their decision as well.
Thoughts?
Yeah, well, the NFL is a private organization, right?
It's private ownership.
It has the league that has its face and represents it.
But those individual 32 teams can do whatever they want to do.
I remember famously, it was Vince Lombardi who was concerned about some things that were happening in Green Bay.
It was one of the major establishments at the time that would not allow African American players to stay at the hotel.
And Vince Lombardi went over and had a conversation with the man.
He said, hey, look, I will die for the right for you to do what you want to do with respect to who stays in your hotel.
However, I will also exercise the right for anyone within the Green Bay Packer organization not to patronize your place.
And he did that with the same type of respect, but he did it with respect and discipline.
What I think Colin Kaepernick's problem is.
Didn't the L.A. Dodgers, didn't the Dodgers, sorry, the Dodgers do that?
Not LA at the time.
Didn't the Dodgers also do that with Jackie Robinson?
Absolutely.
And see, those types of statements, however, even though it was an internal one and it was obviously happening during the time we didn't have Twitter and it couldn't have gotten blown up the way that this story does here today, what it speaks to is the respect and awareness.
Ben Sombardi literally went there.
I just think the optics of Colin's efforts were wrong from the beginning.
And then I'm going to be difficult here and speak what most people don't speak.
Today, culturally, if you've got a big Afro, most people, black or white, aren't mature enough to look past the image and impression of what that represents.
And they will take a snapshot of it, and then it becomes representative of what they believe you're really all about.
Even though your message may be pure, it may be just, it may be right.
The optics just do not look right.
But, Spencer, is it the optics?
Because I actually think the 90 whatever percent, I can't put a percentage on it.
I think are good people that judge their fellow man as created by the same God and by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.
Now, yeah, they're an ignorant, bigoted, racist, hateful, evil white supremacist.
There are evil people in this world, but I don't think people look at Kaepernick from a visual standpoint and say they're against Kaepernick.
I think he was well loved and idolized and adored by fans.
I think it's position more than looks, no?
Well, there's the thing that we don't know.
In a private room without consequence, how many people would object to that or maybe show a sense?
Look, our last election is a classic case of it.
The moral majority actually didn't speak loud enough during the race.
Everyone thought, the pundits thought, even many conservatives thought that Donald Trump had no way of winning that.
That's the part that you don't know.
But again, it's in that private room without consequence.
Then when it happens, and then the actions define it, then we know what people perhaps were thinking, or at least we can make that assumption.
Yeah, let me get Dan's reaction to that.
Dan.
Yeah, well, Sean, I don't have any respect for Colin Kaepernick at all, and I have no problem saying that.
And I don't think this is a principled stand either.
Is it about looks?
Is it about what he does on the field and his stand he's taken?
Listen, I couldn't care any less about what the guy looks like.
You want to take a principled stand, get your butt off the bench, get off your knees, and go volunteer in a soup kitchen and donate tens of millions of dollars to some cause that matters to you.
You know, Sean, listen, people go after you, and this isn't some like stupid butt-kissing moment, but I know what you do behind the scenes for the vet because it matters to you.
You want to take a principled stand, get off your ass, and get out there and go do something and donate your money, you joker.
Because by him doing this and disrespecting the country and smacking everybody in the face like the clown he is, you know what he's doing?
He's taking down the NFL and all those other hardworking people with him.
Guys who really need this job.
Not everybody in the NFL is a multi-billionaire.
He's a disgrace.
And this is an embarrassment.
Let me just say this.
I disagree 100% where you're coming from.
I think he's not a clown.
I think he's a thinking young man.
He has made some optical moves that were not the best.
He is getting good counsel from people like Dr. Harry Edwards and others that understand history.
The guy is actually trying to make a principled statement about something that is a very real issue that we've not dealt with in this nation.
About what?
Spencer, what is he making a principle statement?
Let me explain to you.
If you'll be quiet for a minute, I'll explain to you.
The historic marginalization of African Americans in this nation is a matter of record.
And we do not acknowledge it to the extent that it manifests itself in all of the areas, employment.
Historically, it is clear that we have a problem in this nation.
And unfortunately, people like Colin Kaepernick don't present it in a way that we need to address it in an effective manner.
The optics are getting in the way of what he's trying to communicate.
So I'm not in the...
Spencer, when you speak out for communist regimes like he does, he's a clown.
I'm sorry.
I have no respect for the guy.
I've not heard him speak out for communist regimes.
I haven't heard him speak out.
And as we continue, Sean Hannity's show.
We continue with our friend Spencer Tillman, Dan Bongino, with us.
They were discussing Colin Kopernick, and Dan was pretty adamant in expressing his thoughts that he's a clown and Spencer's taking issue with it.
Dan, I'll let you finish your thought and we'll let Spencer respond.
Well, listen, the guy wears socks that depicted cops as pigs.
What kind of principal is that?
Is this guy serious?
I mean, burglars would break into his house tomorrow and steal his stuff if it wasn't for a men and women in blue.
He's a joke.
The guy's a total farce.
I mean, comparing him to anyone with principles who's actually fought the good fight is embarrassing.
I'm serious.
I have zero respect for him.
And the fact that he's destroying the NFL, really, the people in the NFL should be really, really upset.
Get this guy off the silence.
You want to disrespect the anthem?
Do it in a locker room.
If he had that kind of power to destroy the NFL, believe me, he wouldn't be alive right now.
I don't think that would be the case.
Again, the socks, that's part of the optics.
At 27, 28.
By the way, I want to help my friend Spencer out.
He wouldn't be alive right now.
This is called a talk show.
That is called hyperbole.
It doesn't mean physically harming somebody by anybody in the NFL that would ever do that because Colin Kaepernick spoke out on his personal beliefs.
Go ahead.
Well, yeah, I mean, again, ultimately, what it amounts to is those are, again, gets back to the original comment about optics.
The optics of the situation is what it is.
He's a young man that made poor decisions.
He's since got some counsel about that.
That's the disappointing thing about all of this.
The real issues are not being addressed here.
We're dealing with the hyperbolic parts of it and the easily exploitable parts, the symbolic parts, pigs, socks with pigs on it, the afro, all of that stuff paints a picture in the narrative, and it gives someone an opinion about someone.
But what is what is the more is it that he's taken the knee?
Is it the socks more than whatever?
I think it is people that are offended because the blanket statement that he's disrespecting the flag.
And I think this, listen, if you read the, go read.
Do you think he is when he does that?
Do you think he is disrespecting the flag?
Sean, you're a bright man, and you know I love and respect you.
Go read and listen to the second stanza of the lyrics that Spancer Scott Keat wrote.
If you read that narrative, which we never sing, by the way, you'll understand exactly why people who are educated, white and black, understand, at least to a larger degree, the plight of people like Colin Kaepernick.
When you look at the lyrics, just go read the lyrics.
I encourage your listeners to go read the lyrics.
We know it by heart.
Everybody knows it.
But I'm not.
Nobody doesn't know it, Sean.
Everybody doesn't know it.
You know the first stanza, but read the entire lyrics from the second stanza.
That's only a portion.
Read the entire song.
And when you put it in that context, people that function with a sense and awareness of history.
No, listen, this is an incredible conversation.
I mean, I don't know how else do you accept the symbolism of wearing Castro or killer communist on your t-shirt and pigs as cops on your socks.
I mean, listen, with all due respect, Spencer, the guy's a joke.
What symbol?
I don't understand.
Like, is there an alternate way to interpret a cop depicted as a pig on someone's sex?
Like, what's the alternate way?
Like, I don't get it.
There's only one way to interpret that.
That's to be a childish, immature jerk and to insult people who, by the way, make a 1,000th of what this Joker jerk makes on the sideline, go to work every day and put their cabooses on the line so people like Kaepernick can live in these multi-million dollar homes.
And you put socks on, but are you a funny guy?
What is he, a comedian?
You're a quarterback.
Get on the field, you clown.
Play the football.
By the way, Linda has that second stanza.
Linda, go ahead, read it.
I didn't know it by memory.
I don't know if any of you did.
It's just a part here where it's.
No, no, I don't think so.
Not today.
But it just talks about, you know, it's.
Dan and Spencer are really mad now that you won't say it.
I think they're just Spencer's just happy that someone's going to validate this because nobody knows about this stanza.
And so that this will give a little fuel to the fodder.
It talks about, it's actually a third stanza, and it's decrying former slaves that were working for the British Army.
And it says, their blood is washed out, their foul footsteps, pollution, no refuge could save the hireling and slave from the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave.
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave o'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
So it's basically minimizing the black soldier as well as talking about the fact that he's an underling.
Yeah, so again, understand when people put their hand over the heart and they sing the star-spangled banner, there is another narrative that Francis Scott Key scripted and wrote to that.
We don't think about it.
Like much of history, most people are going on autopilot, and entropy sets in.
The further we get away from the truth of history, our knowledge and understanding.
Well, let me ask this question.
I could put you guys on for three hours one day, and I think this would be a really worthwhile conversation for the country.
And it's a tribute to both of you.
But do you agree with me that most, the majority, the overwhelming majority, Spencer, view racism as evil, which it is repugnant and disgusting?
Absolutely, Sean.
Listen, civil societies exist because the majority of people choose to obey the law.
If that was not the case, we would not have elected a Barack Obama.
I am an optimist in the strictest sense of the definition.
However, we cannot have this convenient attitude about when people have this misgivings about history.
And when we begin to voice that, privileged groups, I don't care if it's white, black, green, yellow clubs, whatever the organization.
Reinhold Niebuhr wrote this in his book, Moral Man, Immoral Society.
Privileged groups rarely give up or share privilege without great and strong resistance.
That's all I'm saying.
And what we feel and what we see in the neo-Nazi reaction to this nonviolent act in Charlottesville is part of that resistance.
It is a small faction, but unfortunately, they have a large voice, and the inherent nature of what we are in our culture is not a problem.
I don't even think it's a loud voice.
I think they are a tiny, tiny loud.
Yeah, but most people see them as insane.
I mean, you do know that.
By the way, don't you see?
When I praised the Boston protesters on Monday, what I said was there is a natural instinctive revulsion at people that want to associate themselves with that type of hatred.
And the fact that 99% of them went out there and stood up, we ought to applaud them all because they did it.
They did it peacefully.
And the few little agitators that were there, the police handled perfectly.
I thought it was a strong stand.
And every conservative, Dan Bongino, that I know, you know, absolutely, I don't know these people who they are.
Would I ever want to know them?
And it's not the conservative movement.
Where I go sideways with people is when they try and brand falsely conservative as every two, four years we get the same crap that racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, homophobic.
And you've dealt with it in your career.
You know, Sean, I was listening to your show after that dreadful shooting of Steve Scalise.
And, you know, I have my own little thing I put on.
And you and I were both absolutely unequivocal and crystal clear on this point.
For as much as we can't stand Bernie Sanders' ideological views, he was in no way responsible for the acts of a deranged.
Not at all.
And I said it at the time.
You said it a thousand times on the show because I listened that day, I listened the next day, and I heard you say it.
And every conservative out there with credibility said the same thing.
But what happened with these lunatics, this guy in Charlottesville, some maniac who has absolutely nothing to do with pure conservative values and the respect for God-given big R rights, kills a woman tragically, horrifically, and all of a sudden every conservative in the country is supposed to apologize?
Are you insane?
Like, condemn?
Absolutely, of course.
But apologize for what?
We have nothing to do with these neo-Nazi maniacs.
The Republican Party is the party that fought Jim Crow, that fought slavery, that fought for big R rights.
Did people forget this?
I mean, you want to talk about history, Spencer?
That's a real history.
The real history of freedom and liberty is the history of the Republican Party.
It has nothing to do whatsoever with Democrats and their tendency to pin every single act of Spencer.
You can bail out because I know this, you don't do a lot of politics.
And this is the thing that frustrated me on the whole thing: you know, I went back to 1991 and I have a tape of Donald Trump condemning Duke and racism and white supremacy and him saying it to Matt Lauer 20 years ago and him saying it all throughout the campaign and him saying it all throughout Charlottesville.
And also knowing the man and knowing his business and knowing the people he associates with and knowing the people that he brought into his campaign.
I know it all of all races, creeds, colors, and backgrounds.
I'll finish this one thought.
And the only thing I'm going to say is the media would never tell that part of the story.
And they'd never tell the part of the story where Hillary Clinton just seven years ago was praising a guy that was a former Klansman and claimed that he was one of the greats of all time in politics and her mentor.
And J. William Fulbright, well, Bill Clinton praised him as his mentor.
And he signed on to the Southern Manifesto.
And you keep saying that we need to know our history.
Well, I wouldn't be praising somebody that signed on to the Southern Manifesto to go against the Supreme Court and their decision on Brown versus Board of Education.
And the segregationist, J. William Fulbright, like Robert Byrd, were against the Civil Rights Act of 64 and the Voting Rights Act of 65.
And Lyndon Johnson, to get those historic bills passed, relied on the Republicans to get it done, not the Democrats, and not the people the Clintons praise.
Yeah, and the reason why those types of things happen is because everything moves toward decay.
Listen, if you go to Europe right now, I guarantee you you will not find a high school with Hitler's name on the side of it, right?
Why is that?
There is a part of the country that believes, the continent that believes and understands the travesty that that represented.
And to think that someone at any point in time in history would subsequently come back and name a school after someone that was responsible for so much is reprehensible in a similar way.
So 57, there are 57 highways, schools, monuments, including the West Virginia State House in West Virginia, that praise Robert Byrd, the former Klansman.
Should they be taken down?
Here's what I'm saying.
The consciousness should be re-examined for why they were there in the first place.
I mean, that's the kind of thinking that needs to go into any decisions that are made.
We need to go back and look at all traditions and examine them.
And if they fail in providing definitive enough support that they support what America stands for, they should always be re-examined.
And yes, in light of new information, people are reintroduced into the legal system all the time.
That's not new.
We've always known that Byrd was a former Klansman.
We always knew J. William Fulbright was against the Southern Manifesto.
So she answers your own question.
That should be an indictment to anybody that did it.
Anybody that authorized that should be brought up.
But I guess what I'm saying, Spencer, is I'm talking about the double standard because they have ignored Trump's history and they are trying to bludgeon him that he didn't say it enough times the right way.
And meanwhile, there's this history over the course of his life where he has.
There's also the Clintons' history, where they have praised people that did support the Southern Manifesto, that did even filibuster the Civil Rights Act in the case of Byrd.
Al Gore's father was one of them, voted against it.
And the history is the Republicans supported it.
And they were never bludgeoned the way Donald Trump is getting bludgeoned.
Look, I'm not trying to drag you deep into politics.
You're a friend, and I— No, that's okay.
Listen, stay out of that.
Lucian, what I will do is talk about human nature.
And the fact of the matter is.
And there's good and evil.
Yes, it is good and evil, and it is yet very predictable.
This is all part of a struggle that must be.
Time does a number on all of us.
There was a time when Muhammad Ali was reviled.
They sent him to jail for his beliefs and what he stood up for.
And I cannot think of a more iconic figure than to see him with that cauldron in his hand trembling from Parkinson's at that point.
Was there a more popular person in the world than Muhammad Ali?
What he did then was no different and no less unjust now than what he did.
And through the, listen, I'll say this, through the prism of history, 58,000 American heroes and America's treasure died in a war that became politicized.
And we can't ask these brave men and women to do that ever again.
All right, I want to get a response from Dan Bongino.
You know, Sean, the problem with this is this is a very slippery slope.
Spencer makes a good point.
You know, listen, there are obviously still a lot of open wounds about what happened in our history of country with race, which is always going to be trouble.
The problem I have with this is this was a problem all over the world.
We were the one country on earth that, as you accurately stated, forfeited hundreds of thousands of lives to wipe the stain of slavery clean.
Now, if we're going to start wiping down monuments and taking down monuments, where does it end?
I mean, are we basing it on what?
A level of imperfection?
What level of imperfection?
If it offends one group, what if it offends another group?
I mean, listen, what about statues of FDR?
I mean, he was responsible for the interment of Japanese during World War II.
Do we take that down?
The problem I have with this is the slippery slope never ends.
It's time to acknowledge our history.
It's not sanitized.
It's not perfect.
It's not clean.
Sometimes it was ugly, but we are still the greatest and most prosperous country on earth.
We should acknowledge the history, acknowledge our imperfections, and move on and stop catering to liberal snowflakes' feelings about everything.
And, Sean, if this was such a big deal, by the way, why would you?
Let me get a quick response.
Then I got to take a break.
Spencer.
I agree with Dan.
What he just said.
We cannot have knee-jerk reactions to this.
No, no, no.
You can't agree because you're ruining my program.
I mean, just stop.
I mean, this is ridiculous.
This is what I'm iterating to disagree with.
The focus should be on education.
Only after people understand the truth can we make a conscious choice and decisions about what we're saying to the nation.
But you know something?
Look at the mysterious reluctance and resistance, especially, and this becomes political for me because conservatives have been saying, let local municipalities, towns, and cities decide.
Let the states decide because they're going to have an active role.
Thank you, Spencer Tillman.
Thank you, Dan Bongino.
Love you both.
And I'll have you back.
This was a great hour, and I think an enlightening one.
We appreciate it.
You bet.
Take care.
Take care.
He called and said, Governor, whatever you need, you've got.
And this is the quickest turnaround I've ever seen from the time that a governor made a disaster declaration to getting that granted.
What that means for the layperson out there is because the president so swiftly granted my application for a disaster declaration, it means it triggered all the resources of FEMA to help Texas.
And what you will see over the coming weeks and months is a tremendous rebuilding from all this damage.
And a large part of that will because of FEMA helping out.
And so we are very appreciative of the way the president and the White House has responded to this catastrophe.
All right, that's the governor.
And obviously, things are top story news roundup information overload hour here on the Sean Hannity show.
What is happening down in Texas?
Amazing, inspiring stories, one after another, that we've been following today.
The Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick of Texas is with us.
Lieutenant Governor, first, our thoughts and prayers go out to our friends and neighbors and fellow citizens down there.
And I know, like me, many are going to be donating and offering whatever you guys need.
Let's first talk about people's safety and where we are at this moment because the rains continue.
Thank you, Sean.
Always good to be with you.
I wish there were different circumstances this time.
Well, first of all, we are, as the governor said, we are in a rescue to save lives right now.
You know, you do three steps.
You know, it's first of all, it's rescue, and then it's rescue and recovery of lost lives, and then it's rebuilding.
So we are still in step one, Sean, because this storm, in essence, is still kind of in the first phase.
You know, the hurricane hit Rockport, as you know.
And think about this, Sean.
That would be like a hurricane hitting New York, and then Boston gets flooded because we're about the same distance close from Rockport as Boston is to New York.
And so that's the breadth of this storm.
And there are hundreds of thousands of people who are displaced from their homes.
It could be close to three-quarters of a million when it's all said and done, either at a family's home, a friend's home, or at a shelter somewhere.
And so right now, we're still looking for lives.
We're rescuing people off of rooftops and balconies and trees.
And Sean, every story is the same.
Every story that you see is people just grateful to God for their life, grateful that their family has survived, grateful to either the first responder or the volunteers that helped them.
And because they realize when it gets down to these moments in life, the stuff doesn't matter.
You can buy a new TV and more furniture.
You can get the sheetrock repaired.
And it may take six months or a year to get all of this done or more, but it's your life that matters.
And they're so grateful, Sean.
These stories are incredible.
I don't have enough time to tell you all of it, but it's incredible.
And we are, Sean, in a country that is so divided in so many ways.
Right now, Texas is one.
No Democrats or Republicans, no liberals or conservatives, no black, white, and brown.
It's neighbor helping neighbor, volunteers.
You know, this movie Dunkirk is about the great volunteer effort when the Armada went to France to save the soldiers.
Well, we have an armada, not quite as big as the Dunkirk, but we have people bringing boats from everywhere, just jumping in the water or getting their high-wheeled trucks and rescuing people.
And it's just in this terrible time, it's so uplifting to see Texas come together as I knew they would.
You really need, as you deal with three phases, Governor, you talk about rescue, rescue.
Of course, the rebuilding is going to take an awful long time.
And look, it's heartbreaking because you know what it's like.
Everybody in life, they work their hardest to maybe get a down payment to buy the first home.
And everything they worked their entire lives for, you know, now is just gone.
And that's the least of the story when you're talking about saving human lives.
But they really, to have a successful rescue, I think you've got every component in place.
And that is you've got neighbor helping neighbor, which is amazing.
You've got local government, state government doing their job.
Coordination seemingly, to me, with the federal government has been amazing also.
Is there any one component that has gone shy short of the Houston mayor defending the decision not to evacuate, which I know has become a big controversy?
Yeah, well, first of all, let me thank our mutual friend, Donald Trump.
He responded not just like a president would, Sean, but like the CEO of a company would.
You know, and that's how he thinks.
And that is he saw a problem.
The governor contacted him with our needs.
He contacted the governor.
They talked several times early on, and we got out in front of this.
So the FEMA and the federal government were ahead of this by days instead of trailing it by weeks, which we haven't seen in the past.
So first of all, you've got a president who thinks like a business guy.
Tell me what you need.
He's an action guy.
Get it done.
And he's coming to Texas tomorrow.
The next thing is the governor and at the state level, we have done the very best we can getting ahead of this storm, even though it was a short notice storm, a week or less, and it got very big.
And then you have the local officials.
You work in tandem.
And for the most part, it's working well.
The biggest issue I would say, Sean, right now, there's so many people needing help.
Yesterday, the 911 system just in Houston had over 50,000 calls.
I had a neighbor this morning, and I'm in the northwest corner of Houston that's been hit one of the hardest.
And right now, as I talked to you, I got out yesterday.
I'm surrounded by water right now.
But one of my neighbors down the street, their 84-year-old father who lives with them, had a stroke, and they called 911, and there was just no answer because they're overwhelmed with the calls and doing the best they can.
And so it was, you know, getting someone with a high truck to get this 84-year-old father who had a stroke out to a hospital.
And thank God he's doing fine.
But it's all of these issues that right now, it's not the bureaucracy that you count on.
It's just people doing instantly the right thing at the right time.
But it starts at the top.
The president has jumped out there and been a significant help.
We're very grateful.
The governor is doing his job.
I'm doing the best to do my job.
All the local elected officials, but it's the people.
It's the firemen.
It's the police.
It's the Coast Guard.
It's the bomb.
What about these guys?
The Cajun Navy is out again in force.
These people are amazing, right?
Yeah, well, that's why I say it to me.
It's like our dunkirk.
I mean, it's a flotilla.
I've got a friend of mine bringing a 26th boat down from Dallas today, driving down here.
Now, it's funny.
It's going to be hard for me to get to him, but I'm going to be out.
I'm going out today with a guy who I met him yesterday at 25 years ago.
Did your house get flooded?
Did your house get flooded?
Did your house?
Yeah, right now the water is halfway to my door over the mailbox, and we are surrounded by water.
My daughter's house, if it's not flooded, has water at the door.
My son is dry.
But look, this storm took in everyone, Sean.
If you look, I guess.
Finish your story.
I want to hear the rest of that story.
Go ahead.
Yeah, well, the rest of the story.
So yesterday I'm out because my son-in-law had to try to get to his house.
He had to walk about a half a mile through water.
And I see this big army truck come by.
And there's a road closed sign.
And this big army truck comes by.
It's got all these people in it.
I mean, it's a big army truck, big World War II, you know, big Army truck.
And so I get out and I walk through the water and I said, hey, whose truck is this?
And a 25-year-old guy gets out and he says, my truck.
And he has a KK, I'm sorry, 3P off-road.
And he has a car business in a place called Tombaugh, Texas.
And he said, I bought this truck to help out in storms like this two years ago when he was 23.
Wow.
Because we had big floods here, too, and last year.
And so he has been, in fact, I'm joining up with him shortly.
And I'm going out with him.
And we're going to go neighborhood, house by house, and see who needs help.
And he's just been doing that on his own.
And yesterday, there was this young man who got picked up by the Coast Guard off a balcony.
And we landed on the ground.
A reporter asked him the question.
And he had his small son with him.
And all they had were their backpacks.
And I'll never forget this kid, Sean, because the kid had one of these cartoon backpacks, you know, of a character on his back as he walked away.
And the man said, I've lost my car.
I've lost everything.
I don't have any clothes.
My son has nothing for school, no clothes, but we got our lives, and we're grateful.
And thank God, thank God.
And so this is when we as a Christian nation are tested to help each other.
And this is when we as a Christian nation really say to God, it's in these times when it's tough that we look to you and we know it's in all of your will and that we will be fine.
And I just see that spirit coming alive.
And you hate to see things like this happen to bring that about.
But you know better than anyone, because I know your heart, and I know better than anyone.
That's who we are as a people.
And sometimes we let politics and we let headlines of the day and the haters out there try to divide us.
We're not a divided country.
We have a common bond that we love each other and we want to help each other.
Lieutenant Governor, I was here in New York on 9-11 and we saw the same thing happen.
I mean, instantaneously, people just came out to help their neighbor.
They weren't asking what their political orientation was either.
I remember, I just, it sticks in my memory.
I mean, Campbell's Soup set up free food immediately for everybody that was working down at ground zero.
Is there anything now?
I'm wiring money to Samaritan's Purse.
I've worked with them for years, and they are specifically.
Yeah, I mean, they're specifically targeting the people in Houston.
But so many people I've watched on social media, and there are a few haters out there that just want to turn everything into politics, but they're the minority.
But everybody, those of us that are not there, we kind of feel helpless and we want to help out our friends in Texas.
What do you recommend we do?
Well, first of all, our prayers are, and never, never underestimate the power of prayer.
But number two, money is needed.
You know, look, we will have FEMA dollars, and that's why the president has already been so helpful, and that will help us in the rebuild.
And the state, we have, thank goodness, we protect our rainy day fund, the economic stabilization fund.
We have about $10 billion in it, which is more than most states combined.
But that will depleted quickly in times like this.
And then many people have insurance, and many people don't.
But when you send in the money to Samaritan's Purse or you send in money to redcross.org, you're helping the people like those I talked about who have nothing left.
And there will be some government assistant, but they're going to have to be people who rebuild their lives.
And so give now as much as you can give.
Your audience, I know, is a very generous and giving audience.
They really are.
Samaritan's Purse, again, is awesome, or redcross.org, and help our folks here.
And then, you know what?
People who live nearby, if they've got a boat and they can come here and help.
I got to take a quick break.
We'll come back more with the Lieutenant Governor of Texas.
He's in Houston now as we speak.
Still unprecedented rain as we continue our coverage.
All right, glad you're with us.
News, Roundup Information Overload Hour here on the Sean Hannity Show.
Our top story is the flooding, the disaster.
This is beyond anything they have ever seen down in Texas.
The Lieutenant Governor, Dan Patrick, is with us as we continue.
But how many people still are out there that you need to rescue?
Well, yesterday, just in Houston, we rescued, I'm told the numbers won't be official until later.
We rescued about 1,800 people yesterday.
We had 56,000 phone calls that I may have mentioned into 9-11 yesterday.
We still, I mean, into a 9-1-1.
We still have people on rooftops.
We still have people on balconies.
And, Sean.
Are we getting them food and water in the meantime as the rescue effort moves forward?
In other words, we don't expect any more fatalities here.
Are we able to get these people in these situations the food and water they need to just hang in there till help arrives?
We're doing our best.
From a state level, we're doing our best.
Volunteers are doing our best.
Our churches are stepping up.
But this is an ongoing issue, Sean.
This is not like, look, nothing like this has happened in American history.
You think of the great disasters, the San Francisco earthquake, the Chicago fire, the Galveston flood.
But this is going to be, sadly, maybe at the top of the list.
Not even that.
With lost lives.
But in terms of economic damage and loss.
Oh, it's incalculable.
It's incalculable.
And the stories you're right about humanity are amazing.
Are you glad the president is coming tomorrow?
Absolutely.
Look, you know, I think this president has done a great job as president, and he cares about people.
And I know that he loves Texas as he loves every place else, but he's got a fondness for Texas.
And he was on the phone right away with the governor.
And I last talked to the president about three weeks ago before all this happened.
But I know he's a person of action, and he wants to get this done.
And he'll put the right resources in, and he'll do all he can.
So, no, we're happy to have him here.
Texas loves him.
He loves Texas.
But it will be eye-opening for him.
It's like 9-11, Sean.
I was not there.
I've been in New York many times in my life, but it was not there at that time.
And the pictures never tell the story.
And I don't tell the story here.
Listen, I saw these elderly people, and this goes back to the evacuation show.
I just don't, I'm not in a mode where I think anything should be politicized right now.
But listen, I understand Texas, and I understand it's hard for government to tell anybody they want to stay in their house.
If you're an adult and you're capable and you want to take the risk, my attitude is government shouldn't have the right to do that.
But when I saw all these old people in a nursing home, at that point, we've got to make decisions for people.
And I saw this poor woman knitting, and she's up literally up to her waist in water.
Yes, yeah.
I didn't understand that part of it.
Why did they not, in that instance, when they were given an evacuation order by you and the governor, that the local people didn't want to do it?
I don't understand.
It always happens.
There are people who just decide they don't want to leave because that's their possessions.
There are other people who can ride it out.
And you know what has happened so often, Sean?
Unfortunately, well, I guess fortunately is the right word.
Big storms are predicted, then nothing happens.
And after a while, people get a little jaded.
Well, you know, it's really not going to be as bad as they say.
And every now and then, it is.
And this is one of those times.
And the thing that concerned the governor, and the reason he said, I think appropriately a few days ago before the storm hit, that if you had a few vacation days, get out of Houston, get out of corpus.
And Corpus was spared for the most part because the storm moved a little to the right at the last minute.
But Houston, it was clear, Sean, it was clear that we were going to be hit with somewhere between 15 and 25 inches of rain.
But there was the potential to get 40 or more.
And now we're in that potential.
And I know to my own son and to my own daughter, I said to them, you know, I've got five grandkids, and I said to them, look, you can't risk, you can't take a chance on the worst won't happen in this case because if the meteorologists are correct and if this storm stalls and we get 40 inches of water, that's unprecedented.
It's never happened.
And my niece is a doctor and she lives down in Houston.
And she's sending me pictures.
I mean, everybody's home is underwater.
It's unbelievable.
Well, listen, Mr. Lieutenant Governor, we will take you up on your challenge.
The country's with you.
We are sending our many thoughts and prayers to our friends in Texas.
And you guys hang tough, as I know you will, under very difficult circumstances.
And you have our many prayers, sir.
Thank you, Sean.
It's a Texas size, a disaster, but we'll have a Texas size effort.
We've got a Texas size heart joined by America.
We'll get through to it.
All right, sir.
Thank you so much, Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick of Texas.
Time to get your party light on, and then we're going to talk to Diamond and Soul.
This is how we do when the world turns up.
I just turned it.
Look at you.
Diamond and Silk are partying in the house this Friday.
Amazing.
I love the song.
I mean, I like the song.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I got to know you guys on the campaign trail.
Yeah.
You got one.
Do you remember when we first met?
Was it at Pastor Scott's?
It was at Pastor Scott.
It was Pastor Scott.
Do you remember when I went into my preacher mode?
Yes, and you did.
Yes, it was Peggy.
He wants me.
Why don't we go together, all of us?
And he wants me to do a sermon, which, by the way, I am the least qualified.
You know why?
Why?
Because I'm the one that needs the forgiveness thing.
I'm the guy that needs the salvation.
You know, I'm the one that Jesus came for.
I'm not the good person in the pew.
But I got to, and you guys were, I had been watching you with now our president.
Yes, Davy.
Yes.
And I got, and you guys were so kind to me.
And it's like we just bonded.
I'm like, I love those two.
I love these women.
They're awesome.
How y'all doing?
Welcome to New York, Carl.
Thank you, Andy.
We're doing well.
It's amazing.
Yes.
Now, where do you live?
North Carolina.
Uh-huh.
Wow.
You know, I have some family in North Carolina.
All right.
We're in North Carolina.
Bedville.
Bedeville, North Carolina, baby.
Okay.
Baby.
So I asked you guys to do the last word on my TV show.
The final word.
Now, I had to cancel you because of news one or two nights, but you've been doing it now the last two weeks.
How's the reaction?
Oh, people love it.
They absolutely love that we're doing the final word.
I love it.
It is good.
And then we tweet it out.
It goes crazy.
Amazing.
It's amazing.
I know.
How did you two become friends?
Give me the relationship here.
Well, we've always been friends.
I know you're related, but.
Listen, we are blood sisters.
Blood sisters.
So it's always been like this.
You're not.
I mean.
Same mama, same dad.
Oh, okay.
Diamond has always been mildy, and silk has always been second emotions.
Were you guys funny as kids?
I guess we were.
First, we didn't even realize we were funny until we did the video.
No, really, we didn't.
We didn't even know this stuff was funny until we did the first video and we played it back.
And the way she was looking, I'm like, girl, this is crazy.
Those reactions.
Uh-huh.
Oh, and the hands.
And the cocktails.
Yes, that's natural.
All of that is natural.
Right.
And we didn't know.
Why did you fall in love with Donald Trump?
Because he said everything that made sense.
That's right.
I want to secure the border.
Don't we secure our house?
Don't we?
The White House is secure.
The border should be secure.
That's right.
I want to bring back jobs.
Why would you outsource good jobs from Americans?
And then I want to bring back spirit.
We need spirit in this country where we're walking hand in hand.
We're getting some things done.
And I love the fact that he wanted to put it in the middle.
I'm going to be so I'm going to go, yes, man.
I'm going to amen.
You make me.
You do make people say amen.
My audience loves you both.
Oh, God.
I love them all.
Love you guys.
And what do you think of all I'm talking every night?
You see how hard I'm fighting back.
And by the way, they're trying to kill me.
You know that, right?
You're watching it.
But you're not going to go down.
Don't you worry about it.
Yes.
What they're trying to do is silence you.
They're trying to silence everybody because they don't want the truth to be told that the Democrats did absolutely nothing in the last eight years.
That's the most I think I've ever heard you say.
Silk and talk, but I know how to stay in my own lane, do my own thing.
But you know, I keep talking.
I talked a lot in the election about this.
There are 50 million of our fellow citizens in poverty and on food stamps and 94 million out of the labor force and a 51-year low in home ownership.
I started out with nothing.
I really did in my adult life.
Nothing.
I worked hard.
And all I had that America, my parents gave me, and I got to give them all credit and God.
I had a ladder to climb.
And I had the rungs of the ladder there.
The rungs are gone right now.
That's right.
Yes.
The tools that you need in order to be able to get to that point, the top of the ladder.
Is that a real diamond necklace, by the way?
Let me see.
Oh, my God.
I'm chopping my neck up.
It's hot.
By the way, Kim Kardashian's got nothing on you.
Oh, wow.
See, uh-oh, silky school.
Holy moly.
Thank you so much, dear.
Linda, look at that diamond necklace.
These are beautiful women.
I'm in awe of the entire segment.
They're beautiful, but I am mesmerized how big those diamonds are.
Thank you so much.
Look at those diamonds.
Wow.
But let me tell you.
Did Donald Trump give you that?
No, no, no.
This had nothing to do.
I had this before Donald Trump.
Okay, now listen.
Let me tell you something.
It took hard work to get here because in spite of being called out of our names, being laughed at, talked about, criticized, and darn near traumatized, we got here and we made it to this point.
You took a lot of heat like we all do.
Anybody that supports the president's under fire.
Right.
I'll tell you this.
I don't care anymore.
That's right.
I don't even care that much.
And I also, in the process, while we may have enemies, I got to be friends with you guys.
Oh, no, I'm serious.
I got to meet the most amazing people.
So this is what I'm thinking about.
My audience has been so amazing to me.
I'm thinking about doing a few stops for free around the country.
You know, I mean, it's all on me.
And I want to put together a show.
Did you like Terrence when he was on?
Terrence.
I didn't really see him.
I'm sorry.
I didn't see him.
You missed my show.
I didn't miss you.
You know him, though.
I know who you're talking about.
Terrence Williams.
I know who you're talking about.
And I want to bring a few of our friends that are on my show regularly.
And I want to do a few shows around the country.
And I want to invite both of you to be a part of it.
Oh, my goodness.
We'll be honored.
It'd be fun, right?
It will be fun.
It will be fun and fun.
Yes.
Yeah, like you guys go up and do your thing, whatever you want to do.
Anything you want to do.
Have you guys thought, and maybe you're doing it already, of maybe doing what you do on the road?
Just you two.
You guys haven't done this.
It's been a thought.
Yeah, but I'll get you the speaking guy that'll get you booked every day.
I only want 20%.
No, no, no, no.
I don't want to 20%.
I think I've been so great.
You know, we always say if you ever want to make God laugh, tell him your plans.
We had no plans for them.
And we've just been going with the flow of things.
Are you very religious, both of you?
Listen, we believe in God.
We believe in God.
I do just revive him.
And nobody's going to stop me for believing in God.
I know that you're trying to stop.
No, you guys are the, you're in the good part of the pew.
They put the sinners on this side and they put, you know, diamond and silk on the other side.
It's all so true.
It's so true.
These are pretty tough times.
I can't believe how pathetically weak Republicans are.
And you guys did a final word the other night about, I was like, you want to go through it and then you go just do it because it's so good.
What do we do?
Okay, first we want to confirm because we've done so many.
Is it about the Republican box?
Yeah, how weak they are.
Well, they are weak.
Very weak.
And they got to get themselves together.
And see, it's time for them to stop working for their own greed and start working for the need of people.
That's right.
And I think, Silk, that maybe somebody may be getting some kickback patty whack, give a dog a bone.
But we're going to have to take the bone back.
That's right.
Because this is about the American people.
We pay you, okay, to do a job.
Our job.
And if you can't do your job, then maybe it's time for us to repeal and replace you.
Peace out.
Boo.
Bye-bye.
Wow.
And that's just zero prep.
I mean, I, you know, one of the things in these hard times, I like to kind of on Friday in this final hand.
I just like to lighten it up.
Yeah.
I mean, these weeks are intense.
Yeah.
These weeks are intense.
And it's sort of like the campaign never ended for a lot of us.
And I think you both remind everybody that we can laugh.
And you know what?
We're going to win.
I don't want to.
And if we don't win, I'm going down with the ship.
You guys come in with me?
Oh.
Well, listen, we're going to win.
I'm going to give you the lifesavers, though, and I'll just, I'll swim it myself.
I'll just, you know, I'll just sink.
Keep the lifesavers for later, but we're going to win this.
We said he was going to be the 45th president, and he's the 40th.
We said he was going to be the best president, and it's going to happen.
That's right.
Listen, don't worry about nothing.
We got this.
Let not your heart be troubled.
That's right.
This TV show tonight?
Would you guys come on my TV show tonight?
Yeah, and then I'm going to send you to my favorite restaurant on me tonight.
Deal?
Okay.
Okay, deal.
Okay, deal.
That wasn't that hard.
All right.
Welcome to New York.
Diamond and Silk.
Go to Twitter at Sean Hannity, and you can see their commentaries from this week.
It's so good.
I love you girls.
Love you more.
You ladies.
I'm sorry.
But to me, you're young at heart, right?
I love you more.
We females.
We only straight females.
Love it.
That's right.
I love you both.
And you guys played an amazing role.
You had an impact in this election.
And you took great heat to do it.
I admire your strength, your courage, your commitment.
And now that we have become friends, I know I value your friendship.
