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Tell me what years meet Jim McCoss's definition of the Statue of Liberty home law of the land.
So you're saying a million a year is the Statue of Liberty number.
900,000 violates it, 800,000 violates it.
You're sort of bringing a stress one for English philosophy here to immigration, and that's never what the United States has been about.
This whole notion of well, they could learn, you know, they have to learn English before they get to the United States.
Are we just going to bring in people from Great Britain and Australia?
I honestly say I am shocked at your statement that you think that only people from Great Britain and Australia would know English.
It's actually it reveals your cosmopolitan uh bias to a shocking degree that in your mind No, this is an amazing this is an amazing moment.
This is an amazing moment that you think only people from Great Britain or Australia would speak English is so insulting to millions of hardworking immigrants who do speak English from all over the world.
Jim, have you honestly Jim have you honestly never met a an immigrant from another country who speaks English outside of Great Britain and Australia?
Is that your personal experience?
But that's not what you said.
And it shows it shows your cosmopolitan bias.
And I just want to say you're trying to engineer the racial and ethnic flow of people into this country.
That is one of the most outrageous, insulting, ignorant, and foolish things you've ever said, and for you that's still a really notion that you think that this is a racist bill is so wrong and so insulting.
Jim.
Wow, we called it last week when that happened.
CNN fake news, Jim Acosta's basically been on a war against the White House from day one.
Clearly not an objective news reporter and part of the destroy Trump media and the propaganda media, and uh I think he got an education from our friend Steve Miller.
I don't even what is your position at the White House?
I don't even I guess you're the senior advisor to the president.
Uh yes, that's right, Sean.
How are you?
I'm doing great.
Uh thanks for having me on the program.
And um I look forward to talking a little bit about what President Trump is gonna do today to make an immigration system that works for Americans.
Yeah.
Well, I want to ask first of all, that was on the immigration issue, but it's not just that.
Have you ever seen such hostility towards a single president in your lifetime by the news media, which I think is so abusively biased and corrupt.
No.
And I'll also make this point, Sean, which is that and your audience understands this well, which is that the wrong term to use in my view is the mainstream media.
Because Sean, you're mainstream, I'm mainstream, President Trump is mainstream.
They're real mainstream American values.
Strong borders, a strong national defense, a limited government that stays within its means, abiding by the Constitution.
What you saw at that press briefing was actually an extremist point of view.
The point of view that basically says that you can't have strong border controls in the United States of America.
You can't set limits.
You can't prioritize the needs of American workers.
And so you have a movement inside elements of the media that is openly hostile, not only to the president, but to the ideas and views that animated Millions and millions of American citizens to come out and vote in the last election.
Well, you know, when I talk about the the President, I think the President has a strong identity and agenda for the country to solve our problems.
And and this is my biggest criticism of Republicans right now.
We know the President is willing to sign a repeal replace bill, unlike the phony show votes that we had all the years Obama was president.
I know that the President wants a middle class tax cut.
He wants a corporate tax cut of fifteen percent.
He wants repatriation.
I know the president wants energy independence.
I know the president believes in health savings accounts and solutions.
He wants to build a wall.
He wants education back to the states.
We know where he stands on vetting refugees and identifying evil in our time radical Islam.
Now for seven and a half years, Stephen Miller, the Republicans promised to do all of these things.
And they were ill prepared to lead, and I d I see I don't see any identity.
What do they stand for in the House and Senate?
You know, what are they hearing now when they go back home?
I I have a pretty good idea that the people aren't happy with them.
Well, Sean, I think the point that you made is so important, which is that the President has an agenda for America, and we know what it is, and now we need Congress to implement that agenda.
What we've done already on the administrative side and what we've done already on the executive side has been a sea change.
But Congress needs to step up and repeal and replace Obamacare.
Congress needs to work with us to pass a middle class tax cut and corporate tax reform.
He's to work with us to get control over our borders and our refugee programs and our vetting policies.
They need to work with us to get uh regulatory relief and reform where we've already done historic things in a short period of time.
This is the agenda that the American people voted for, whether they're Democrat, independent, or Republican, it's the right agenda for our country and its agenda rooted in our history and our values as a nation.
You know, if these simple things, you I I watched the President very closely on his most recent speeches that he gives, or the town halls, or I guess really their stadium speeches, and you see the overflow crowds, and you see the intensity and the applause and the energy that the president brings to these these issues.
And then I'm thinking, okay, are the Republicans not watching the reaction that the President is getting to the things that he's saying?
And do they really think if they don't get their job done that there are not going to be consequences for them not keeping their promises?
Look, I think that no matter what party you're in, that the American people need to make sure that they are communicating to their members of Congress what they expect to be done this year and for the years to come.
This country needs corporate tax reform, it needs a middle class tax cut, it needs to strengthen immigration enforcement and vetting into our country.
We need to repeal and replace Obamacare and end the Obamacare catastrophe, and we need to create a a leaner, smaller government that lives within its means and that prioritizes the defense and protection of our country.
Let me ask what happens.
I know Congress is on vacation again, and it's amazing.
And I spoke to somebody in the White House.
I heard the president's not on vacation.
And actually, the president was tweeting out all the work he's doing.
So is he not taking a vacation right now, as is reported?
Well, I think the good way to look at it is the president of the United States is really never on vacation.
I mean, every day the president, whoever the president is, is always involved in governing the affairs of the nation.
But this president in particular is always deeply engaged and invested in everything that's going on and everything that's happening.
And I think you'll be seeing some of what he's doing in the coming days in terms of different events and activities.
Well, I think that at the end of the day, I think that Congress what would you say they ought to do on health care when they get back?
Because I know the president for his economic plan counted on a trillion dollars in savings on repealing and replacing Obamacare, so does that hurt the ability of the president to do the type of economic reform that he wanted to jumpstart this uh economy?
Well, I'll just refer to what the president said when he was in West Virginia, and you were talking about the overflow crowds, the enormous enthusiasm, the incredible excitement about the president and what he's leading on, and he said in that speech, Congress needs to keep its promises, fulfill its commitments, live up to its word, And get this across the finish line.
They were one vote short, one vote shy, and they need to keep working on it and to get the job done and keep their promises to the American people.
Well, I think it's a basic, simple, fundamental issue.
What is this Republican Party stand for?
And is this Republican Party going to keep their promises?
And I find there's a lot of hostility within the Republican Party, you know, over issues, all issues involving President Trump.
And I'm sitting there thinking, oh, you I thought you wanted this for the last seven and a half years.
I know you've voted for it sixty times.
It's just frustrating.
Let me play a little bit more about you.
This is I know we played you with Jim Acosta.
How did you feel after that exchange?
Did you get a lot of positive email?
Uh well, I I was very grateful.
I did get a lot of very um very nice comments from a lot of people, and of course, you know, it's not about me, it's about President Trump, what he's doing for the country.
But I think that people were excited because the media was confronted with cold, hard facts.
Just facts, information, the truth.
And it was basically an environment where they were not allowed to get away with spin.
Do you think the media is there's a lot of fake news today, because I believe there is, and I believe the media is basically one big group thing, the mainstream media.
Well, there's obviously an enormous amount of uh of groupthink that goes on in the media, but also one of the ways in which the media's bias is most apparent is by what they talk about and what they don't talk about.
So, for example, you know, staying on the subject of immigration, um, they will tell the story of what they regard as being an sympathetic case of a particular illegal immigrant and whatever they think that illegal immigrant is facing.
But they don't tell the stories of the American families that have lost loved ones to sanctuary cities and illegal immigrants, or the American workers that have lost lost jobs to illegal immigrants, or the American schools that have been affected by years of illegal immigration.
They don't tell the story from the perspective of the American citizen and the American family.
Well, I think that you know the people that changed this election were the forgotten men and women in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Florida, Missouri, and all around the country, some 50 million of them out of work, in poverty, on food stamps, and and can't getting jobs.
They can't get jobs.
Exactly.
And they said this year, America, Washington, D.C., and indeed the world will hear our voice.
Well, so I I know that they're waiting.
Explain the difference what the president's been able to do on his own versus what he needs Congress to help with.
That's a great question.
I mean, if you look at By the way, I I I love when you tell me that's a great question.
Go ahead.
If you look at what we've done administratively, it's been historic.
For every one new regulation, sixteen have been eliminated.
I I've talked to people in the in the regulatory community.
No one's ever seen anything like it before.
To the extent in which we came in, we froze new regulation, and we started taking the acts to old regulations, small and large, including some very big ones.
You know, we ended the moratorium on coal leasing.
Uh we would we uh we took action on the uh Obama administration's clean power plan and the um waters of the United States rule, which is something that's very negative for our farmers and ranchers, and on and on it goes.
You've seen the progress we've made on border security and going after the criminal gangs and cartels and the uh MS-13.
You've seen what we've done in terms of uh beginning to improve law enforcement, like at the Justice Department, putting in new tough on crime policies to get some of the uh to reverse hopefully the surge in violent crime we've seen in recent years, and what we've done on American energy obviously has been amazing.
Coal exports are up 60 percent.
This is because of a president who is led and led every day relentlessly.
Uh and we have also made major, major changes at the Department of Veterans Affairs, and this is true.
We have signed into law several major veterans' bills, both on veterans' choice and also veterans' accountability to fire bad uh federal workers who fail our veterans.
But what do we need from Congress?
We need to repeal and replace Obamacare.
We're gonna work with them on middle class tax cuts and corporate tax reform to make America the best place in the world to hire workers, start a business, grow, and invest and move capital.
We're obviously going to need Congress to work with us on infrastructure.
We're gonna need Congress to work with us to hire more ICE officers to keep our community safe, to build a border wall to keep our country safe, to make long term improvements to our immigration system like the ones the President unveiled last week to protect our workers and our wage earners.
And so these are all things where we're going to need Congress to step up.
It's not a Republican issue.
It's not a Democrat issue.
These are core American issues about taking care of our country and our people and their future.
All right Stephen Miller of the White House, he is a senior advisor to the President.
Thanks for being with us.
Great job last week.
I just want to say six months later, I'm going to be Trump I'm giving Trump first of all on a past fail basis, which is how you all probably went to college.
I had grades when I was in college.
But on a past fail basis.
Well I didn't go to Brown, okay.
Well neither did I pass sale basis I give him a pass.
Okay.
On a letter basis on a letter basis I'm going to give him a B, all right.
When he gets his tax cut, I'm going to move it to an A. And I want to add, just give me a second.
His regulatory reductions have been terrific, okay?
His tickling energy, we are taking Russia out of the energy business in Europe.
Because of energy exports and because of opening up all the fracking and L and G stuff that he wants to do.
All right that's Larry Cudlow, 25 now till the top of the hour, a friend of mine and Larry by the way, author of uh numerous books over the years and uh well what's the name of your latest book of wait a minute I got a Reagan from JFK and Reagan a revolution, the secret history of American prosperity is my mind rust serving me well?
Yes he nails it.
That's not that's not bad considering I had no idea.
Um I thought of you and I wanted you back on the program for a couple of reasons and I I heard your comments about a B. I think that was a fair grade.
I'm literally giving Congress a a D minus and the only reason it's not an F because I'm holding out a little hope they may get their you know what together but Congress is pathetically slow but you're right on judges on on Obama era regulations on keeping his promises, moving everything his agenda forward as he can do it without the help of Congress very effective.
Yeah I mean it's um look I am very down on the Senate right now, the Republican Senate.
You know I think this idea that six or seven or eight of these Republican senators are going to stop and hold up uh repeal and replace Obamacare Sean I I think that's a betrayal of the voters who put them into office because the promise was very clear that uh they were going to repeal Obamacare and come up with something better.
So that's not Trump's fault.
I'm not going to blame Trump for that nobody should.
This is a really a betrayal of these Republican senators and you know some of them maybe we'll name names maybe we won't.
But why don't you name names because you know Mitch McConnell swore he'd get this done and I know that he uh I I here's what we've heard we've heard give us the House we'll get rid of Obamacare.
Give us the Senate we'll get rid of Obamacare give us the House Senate and White House we'll get rid of Obamacare.
Give us the House Senate and sixty votes.
No, I'm sorry I can't take it anymore.
Yeah well it's kind of a mystery to me for example why free market guys like Rand Paul who's a friend of mine and Mike Lee who's a friend of mine are are are against this.
Okay.
I don't understand this.
Um Dean Heller from Nevada, I I don't understand it.
Um others have been railing against Obamacare for years.
Um Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia is against government control of health care.
Now she's against it you know I guess charitably you could say that the um perfect has become the enemy of the good but if I'm less charitable Sean I think there's a lot of show voting as I say a betrayal of the Republicans who voted the men in the first place and it's damaging the country and it's damaging the administration.
I don't get it but I'm not going to condone it.
On the other hand I also think it's damaging themselves.
Don't you think at this point they're damaging themselves?
I do.
I do and there is some talk about some of them getting primaried.
I'm all for it.
I'm all for it.
You can't run you you you can't son run on an agenda, get elected and then vote against that agenda.
That's just nonsense.
It's uh you know uh false labeling so yeah I I'm I've lost my patience with some of these but the problem is if they don't get it done th it won't matter if they're primaried because they're gonna lose and they're gonna lose significantly and their power is going to be diminished greatly and what I'm having a hard time understanding is that you notice Democrats never break ranks.
They always stay together.
Even when they're dead caught dead to rights wrong they'll stay together.
It doesn't matter to them.
And Republicans I understand I like independent thinking etcetera But that the independent thinking is a bunch of nonsense if you can't agree to the fundamental thing you ran on.
And by the way, you know, perfect should never be the enemy of the good.
Sometimes you have to use Ronald Reagan's dictum.
Give me half a loaf now, and I'll get the other half later.
Why don't you just get rid of all the mandates?
Get rid of all the mandates.
That would just repeal it in the first step.
I'll take the repeal and transition.
I'll be fine with that.
Yeah, okay.
Okay.
I'm I'm willing, yes, I'm willing to go.
Just get something done.
But here's the deal.
Trump has made his promises good on rolling back regulation and cutting taxes.
He is so I was in with him a few days ago, ten days ago.
If he can't get a why why are you name dropping on my show?
I don't understand that.
Well, I want to make a point in defense of Trump.
I'm teasing.
Go ahead.
He he wants the business tax cuts, particularly the small business tax cut.
And I'm gonna he's not let me down.
He's gonna push hard for that.
It's uh time to move on if they can't do health care.
And he wants to uh double the standard deduction for individuals.
Now that's the problem.
You know, but Larry, there's a risk to that strategy.
If we let them off the hook and they don't get it done and they kick the can down the road, I would argue if they don't get repeal and replace done, and maybe they don't even look, they may not even get tax reform done.
I'm not worried about tax reform as I am the economic plan.
I I want tax reform, but I definitely if we're gonna get people out of poverty off of food stamps and back in the labor force.
Energy is certainly going to create millions of high paying jobs.
I think we're close to a million new jobs right since he's been president, um, or somewhere eight hundred thousand.
What's the number?
You know better than I do.
Yeah, it's a little short of a million.
But short of a million.
If we want people to get back to work out of poverty, then you've got to have the corporate tax cut, the middle class tax cuts.
The repatriation plan was brilliant.
I love it, especially you can even incentivize them further if they'll build in certain depressed cities, right?
Look, all this, this is the key.
And he's gonna go there.
Okay, he's going to go there.
And if this uh dumb uh health reform thing holds it up, he'll pivot and go to tax cuts to grow the economy.
You're right, by the way.
The most uh you know what's the most popular thing is the small business tax cuts.
All the surveys show this.
And this is where better jobs and higher productivity and higher wages and creating brand new businesses for more jobs.
This is so important to the economy, which basically hasn't hardly moved in 15 years.
Now, Trump wants it, he says he wants it, he's ready to roll on it, and that's why I gave him a B. Between rolling back regulations and the tax cuts, and he is going to move towards infrastructure, and he's got Putin over barrel because we're going to export natural gas.
No pun intended.
You're right.
I know I couldn't resist.
These are good things, and I'm going to give him credit.
And as you say, the Gorsuch nomination was absolutely crucial.
That's like a 25-year conservative judge for the remote.
What do you make of all the Russia distraction?
Uh that's all it is.
There's no collusion.
There's no there.
This is the swamp at its worst.
But you know what?
I I don't think the president's gonna let that bog him down.
In other words, that's a fight, let it be fought.
I don't even understand any of this stuff.
But he's gonna go forward.
I mean, this is what he's seeing.
And he's gonna make good on his promise for growth-oriented policies.
That's all you can ask a president.
Growth and defense and national security.
It really comes down to this, though.
It comes down to safety and security, peace and prosperity, and then the economy, if he becomes the president that creates jobs, we become energy independent, he builds the wall for security.
I see him rolling in the re-election.
Well, I do.
By the way, if the Republicans would let him, he could help them in 2018 if they get this stuff through.
Yeah, that's the irony.
There were GOP senators are slitting their own throat.
Just let Trump do what he wants to do.
It's a very solid growth, as you say, and security agenda.
That's why I give them a solid B right now.
What do you give Congress?
Uh I'm gonna give the Senate uh, I don't know, a D minus because they're not doing what they said they were gonna do.
Even the House got something through on health care, although I'm a little concerned that Speaker Ryan uh is um is not working the right way on the tax cuts.
I'm a little concerned about Ryan.
Do you well, yeah, I mean, do you think that there are Republicans?
Pat Toomey actually says he goes, I couldn't I think our biggest problem is we none of us saw this coming.
We had no idea it was gonna win.
He won back in November.
You know, you would think emotionally mentally they'd have the time to adjust.
And I'm just um I'm looking at these guys.
Do you think some of these guys want him to fail?
Well I I guess I choose to think not.
I can't be sure about that.
I I just think there's a lot of grandstanding and freelancing.
This is the GOP at its worst, Sean.
Um I don't blame McConnell.
McConnell's trying it's not blame McConnell.
He's the leader that stops at the top.
Come on you gotta blame him.
He's got to get the job done.
He did it with Gorsuch he he held everybody firm.
Well I all I can say is he's tried everything.
And he's you know let's take Medicaid.
So they found some extra change on a CBO markup which I don't really believe but whatever.
So they're putting even more money in Medicaid.
Mitch McConnell's trying to do that and even that is not working with some of these stubborn Republican senators.
Actually I I don't really blame Mitch McConnell at all.
At this point I think he's trying to pull out every stop to get this debate going again this week and maybe they'll finally come up with something and they should not trust they should not sean absolutely not go away on any Christmas summer vacation.
No August vacation the legislative days it's less than I think it's about 30 or less than 30 days left if they if they if they take their their schedule as it currently is configured.
Yeah it's well it's a little a little more than that about 40 something days.
But that you know that's not enough because they've got to get the tax cuts through.
See the president has said not going home until you get health care.
All right and then McConnell says so we'll extend for two weeks.
I would have said you're not going home until we get health care and tax cuts okay I would have put the tax cuts in there because to even get that in the fourth quarter in the autumn that takes some time okay there's a more agreement on taxes fortunately but it still takes some time because they got to get a budget resolution and um they got to keep the government going.
So this is crazy.
The GOP should not be in this position.
Right now they're in a position of weakness they should be with three houses in a position of strength.
Did you ever did the president ever talk to you about going in the administration?
Yes.
And what did you say?
Um no love my job obviously you're not there jobs.
What's that?
I love my job.
I didn't ask you if you love your job I asked you what you said to him.
Not did I said I did I ask you the question Larry you've been a friend for years.
Do you love your job?
No I said what did you say?
Nice pin up I love my job, Sean.
I love my job You know the only reason I'm letting you get away with that is because I've known you all these years but you know if you are left of center I'd be pounding you right now.
Well listen I'm not left of center um you're a great broadcaster and now he's gonna flatter me oh no no that gets you nowhere.
I I'm still working on CNBC and I'm still working on my weekend radio show and we're still selling books about supply side and I think I can help President Trump doing exactly what I'm doing right now.
Well I I do think that the president needs congressional help and I at this point they better now see the urgency putting aside their own personal feelings for the president they better see that their futures are now directly tied to their actions.
And if if they decide to be inactive if they can't you know what I've suggested is put them in a room and set don't let them have Senate dining room fair sending Kentucky fried chicken my favorite and original recipe and send in and send in Wendy's and send in McDonald's and pizza and beer and water and coke and Sprite and they can't leave the room and then take off the air conditioning like our framers and founders and I think they'll probably find a solution faster than we could ever dream of.
Well you you could be right um ever whenever I write or talk about keeping them home in August the response from the public is hugely positive huge.
So let's hold their feet to the fire.
Really that's what you need to do and the response of Washington is shut up Larry.
Right.
Oh no people hate this House members and senators who've come on the the show with me don't even want to talk about it.
Don't even want to talk about except Mark Meadows and the freedom call the way you you and I think fabulous.
This is why you and I get along so well.
They are the only people right now, and a couple of senators in fairness.
I actually thought Ted Cruz's amendment was superb uh on health care, and I thought it was a big step forward, and it was certainly would have helped with free market competition and lowering premiums, in my opinion, and it was actually confirmed in a study, but they're the only people that I actually trust in Washington now.
They're the only people that seem to have the urgency, the sense of uh a desire to fulfill promises, and I'm like, why aren't these guys in charge?
Well, you're right about that, and I wonder whether there's going to be unrest in the House.
I mean, you're right.
Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan, Dave Bratt.
They're those guys are great.
And by the way, you're also right about Ted Cruz.
Ted Cruz has been a terrific leader during this whole issue.
And you're also right.
The crew's idea of letting insurance companies put their own product out for customer demand is a terrific idea, and it would really end all these mandates which have caused premiums to go sky high.
Now, if the Republican Party can't back that, what can they back?
That's the part of this thing that just you don't have to get everything this time.
Okay, let's just get a few uh key things like consumer choice that'll bring premiums to the city.
Well, what do we get the tax cuts?
How about we get just repeal Obamacare and transition off it, and then we can have free market solutions and cooperatives and health savings accounts and you know things that people like yourself and and I've been talking about for a decade or more.
It's ridiculous.
All right, Larry, gotta let you run, man.
Appreciate it.
I'm all for it.
Stay hanging there, keep up the fight.
Oh no, I never fight.
I don't, I'm a I'm a I'm a very peaceful, calm individual, if you didn't know that.
I went into one of the longer monologues I ever did on TV last night, laying out this case.
We all find white supremacy, the Klan David Duke repugnant.
And I played a history of Donald Trump over the years, especially in the last year, but even going back to 2000 and even said since he was a young kid, this is how he was raised, but literally by name renouncing, denouncing, disavowing as he says, all of these different things.
And I I watched what he said as I went over again the words that he used on Saturday, the things that he said on Monday, the things that he said on Tuesday, and he does it again and again and again and again and again.
And then Sunday, because he didn't mention the specific groups by name, there was a a collective media meltdown, and it was obvious who he was talking about.
And then after his press conference the other day, which we carried live right here on this program, it was like both sides to blame.
Well, the ACLU says there were both sides to blame.
The A the AP reported there were both sides to blame.
And that doesn't mean in any way that one side I I think there's a natural abhorrence, a frankly, a moral indignation and righteous indignation when you see bigoted, hateful, racist people.
It just it it it makes good people instinctively, you know, recoil against evil, because that's evil.
And I think that's it for those people that were shouting at them and protesting again, it's all fine.
But whether you like it or not, even as the ACLU said, strange bedfellows with Hannity, but you have a right to free speech, and you can't punch the people you don't like.
And the group Antifa was there, and Black Lives Matter was there, and I raise a lot of questions.
And we just played Hillary Clinton saying that the former Klansman, Robert KKK Byrd, was her mentor.
J. William Fulbright, we now know, and was the mentor of Bill Clinton.
I mean, this this is a guy, if you look at his history, signed the Southern Manifesto.
Opposition to the Supreme Court, the historic 54 decision, board versus uh Brown versus Board of Education.
And um, you know, Jay William Fulbright, Bill Clinton's mentor, filibustered the Civil Rights Act, as did Robert Byrd, the mentor of Hillary.
But they don't have to go through the same type of treatment as Republicans, and we see this every two years and every four years, and the media has zero desire to tell the truth at this point in our lives.
Herman Kane is with us, fellow talk show host out of Atlanta, our major massive 50,000 watt AM FM flamethrower, uh news talk WSB.
How are you, sir?
Sean, I'm doing great, thank you.
And you know, that montage that you played earlier.
I want you to know that I just came back from lunch, and if you had played in it more, I would have thrown up.
The hypocrisy is just absolutely outrageous.
That's all you can say.
Because as you've indicated, the media's not going to cover it.
Uh they're giving Hillary and all of the hypocrites a path.
But all Donald Trump has to say is twinkle twinkle little star, and they'll found something wrong with that.
What do you think it is?
I mean, you know, I I actually was thinking about this after you were on the TV show with me last night.
I remember when when you were running for president and you were getting a lot of traction, and you were kicking, you know, some serious buttons you were doing great.
And I'm I remember watching it was fascinating because in many ways you were the outsider coming in in the last election cycle, and you had new innovative ideas, solutions, which I love.
999.
Everybody remembers 999, and I kid I kid you about it a lot, but it it worked.
And then all of a sudden, you had to be taken down by some people.
Right.
The second you got out of the race, the second you were gone, everything disappeared.
Because I was a threat.
And I was taken out of the race with lives.
Bottom line, it was with lies.
But as you know, that's what the liberals and the Democrats will do if they feel you are a threat.
The last thing that the Democrats wanted was for me to win the Republican nomination as a black man and ABC, an American black conservative, and go up against Barack Obama.
They paid people to lie to destroy my life if they could have, in order for me to drop out of the race.
I didn't drop out of the race because I couldn't take the heat.
I dropped out of the race because I didn't want my family to have to listen to all of the malarkey that was being spun by the media.
And that's exactly what they're doing today.
We're never going to get good people to run.
No, not not at that rate.
And not at this rate.
And and and frankly, the one thing President Trump has is a very thick skin.
He doesn't care.
He doesn't care.
Now, Donald Trump called me before he declared that he was going to run, which I considered it an honor.
And he asked me, what advice would I give him?
I said, I don't need to give you any business advice.
I don't need to give you any problem-solving advice.
I said, be prepared for multiple lawsuits.
You can afford to fight them.
I couldn't.
This is why I couldn't stay in the race.
And as we have seen, Donald Trump has had to fight multiple lawsuits.
In addition to fighting the establishment, all of the Democrats, all of the liberals, and some of the Republicans.
But he's hanging in there because he is a fighter.
And this is why so many people are proud that he is the president of the United States.
Here's what the liberals don't understand, Sean.
All of this racial stuff is not going to cause Trump supporters to cross over to the dark side.
They're simply not going to do that.
You tell a very interesting tale that I think I really hope people are listening to, Herman.
And I want to get your reaction to what the Republicans are doing and some of this argument with the president tweeted out today about history, and I know you live in Georgia, uh, where I live four wonderful years of my life, and I love the people down south.
I lived in Alabama for a while, lived in Georgia, and growing up in New York, it is in it's just a different experience.
And it collectively it makes us the United States of America.
Um, but there it there's certainly differences in in if you grow up in a city or you grow up in a suburb, or if you grow up, you know, south, north, east, west.
There are differences, and we'll talk about them when we get back.
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As we continue, Herman Kane is with us, nationally syndicated radio talk show host out of Atlanta.
Let me ask you about a couple of things the president tweeted today.
That we now see what happened in Durham and Baltimore in Brooklyn, New York, and around the country, and he said, It's sad to see the history and culture of our great country being ripped apart with the removal of our beautiful statutes and Monuments.
He said you can't change history, but you can learn from it.
Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, who's next.
Washington, Jefferson, he said it's foolish.
He also said the beauty is being taken out of our cities, our towns, our parks will be greatly missed, never able to be comparably replaced.
And then he also specifically went after Lindsey Graham.
And he said, publicly seeking, publicity seeking Lindsay Graham.
Falsely stated, I said there is moral equivalency between the KKK, neo-Nazis, and white supremacists, and people like Miss Heyer, this young woman who who's tragically lost her life.
He writes such a disgusting lie, he just can't forget the election trouncing.
The people of South Carolina will remember.
Then he said the public is learning even more about how dishonest the fake news is.
They totally misrepresent what I say about hate, bigotry, it's a shame.
Um you have something in Georgia.
I've been there.
They have a light show, at least they used to, uh Herman, at Stone Mountain.
Yeah.
And they have the Confederate president at the time, Jefferson Davis, uh, among others.
Stonewall Lee and Jefferson Davis, that's who it was.
What do we what are your thoughts about this movement?
I think this movement is bull feathers.
And here's why.
Bull feathers.
Bull feathers.
And you can use whatever word you want to use for the second part of that phrase.
Oh, we know what you meant, Herman.
We know you're well.
Here's the thing.
Ignorance of history does not make you smarter.
That's what the Democrats and the Liberals are trying to do.
The second thing that they're trying to do is if you start this process of eliminating any sort of things that remind us of an ugly past, what's next?
Are they then going to rip it out of history books so our children will be ignorant?
Are they then going to want to dismantle Mount Rushmore?
Where does it stop?
And as New Gingrich said, it does not stop.
And so my point is simply this.
We do not need to erase our history.
We do not need to sandblast images of the Confederate off of Stone Mountain.
Why?
It's part of our ugly history.
How do you eliminate the ugly history of slavery?
How do you eliminate the ugly history of the civil rights movement and Jim Crow?
You can't.
It's part of our history.
The good news is we have gotten past that.
And the people who want to drag us back, as Andrew Young said, to fight the civil war again is a waste of time and a waste of money.
You know, Herman, I I I think one of what do you make of this argument I made for years?
Our founders were nowhere near perfect.
Everybody knows that it is morally reprehensible and evil slavery.
Did our framers of our Constitution and founding fathers in their wisdom in this sense know that the fight wouldn't have been won then?
The United States wouldn't have come together, and that they put in place the way to write wrongs, correct the moral injustices that many did see at the time.
Here's what our founders realize, which is the greatness of our founders.
Number one, they set the bar where America needed to be when they said we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights.
Sean, that set the bar where we aspire to get to.
We are closer to that bar today than we have ever been in history.
The founders set the bar high.
They didn't set the bar low.
It's our job to finish the job and make it a more perfect union.
And all of these people that want to focus on race, they want to focus on demagoguing conservatives and liberals, conservatives and Republicans, they are trying to drag us backwards instead of helping us to go forward.
That's the bottom line.
Herman Kane, thanks as always for being with us.
Love having you on the show.
You're the best.
Americans in every way but on paper.
Opponent or Altamirano had come in and wanted to buy cigarettes.
Altamorano then pulled the gun and pointed it at Grant.
Grant immediately offered up the cigarettes.
And Altamorano then shot him point blank in the face.
My son's death was completely preventable.
Upon our Alsporado.
He had been in the country illegally since he was 14.
If the federal government wants our police officers to tear Immigrant families apart, we will refuse to do it.
My youngest son Joshua was a senior in high school and had his whole life ahead of him.
He went to school and never returned.
As Josh walked up to the doors of the school that morning, Hermilo Morales walked up as well.
At trial, the killer testified on his behalf and gave exact testimony on how he systematically killed Joshua.
To be clear about what Chicago is, you always will be a sanctuary city.
You are safe in Chicago.
You are secure in Chicago, and you are supported in Chicago.
He first threw a punch in the face so that Joshua's vision was messed up and he could not fight back.
He next knee Joshua in an abdomen so that he would go to the ground.
Josh went to the ground as his spleen was sliced in half.
The killer was aggravated that it was not over yet.
He was a black belt and mixed martial arts and thought he could do this without any blood.
He was aggravated it was not over.
He said he grew tired of watching bloody bubbles come from Joshua's nose as he was trying to breathe.
Next he took a closet rod and beat Josh over the head again and again until the rod broke in four pieces.
We are not going to sacrifice a half million people who live among us who are part of our community.
We're not going to tear families apart.
So we will do everything we know how to do to resist that.
Joshua still breathing.
Next he strangled him.
He let him go to see if it was over.
No, it's not over.
So he continued until there were no more bloody bubbles.
He must have said it six times from the stand.
He waited and he watched him die.
He tied Josh's body up, stuffed it in the back seat of our truck, bought gas, dumped Josh in a field and set his body on fire.
The killer went home, took a shower, and went to see a movie, had popcorn and coke.
It's obvious the Republicans are more afraid of the dreamers than they are of ISIS.
Today she was killed.
Enjoying a wonderful day together.
Suddenly a shot rang out.
Kate fell and looked at me and said, Help me, Dad.
Those are the last words I will ever hear from my daughter.
America first will be the major and overriding theme of my administration.
All right, 24 now till the top of the hour.
Toll for your telephone numbers 800 941 Sean.
If you want to be a part of the program, uh you recognize some of the voices there, the the mother of Joshua Wilkerson and and Grant Ronnebac's father Steve Ronaback, he was the one that was working at the Quick Trip in Arizona, and overnight you know, here's a kid 22 years old, he's making money, and and it's he gets killed over a pack of cigarettes.
Now the Attorney General of the United States, Jeff Sessions, has been all over this, and he's been warning Sanctuary Cities, uh, as he discussed earlier today, to comply with immigration law or they will lose their federal money.
The uh Attorney General of the United States joins us now.
Mr. Attorney General, sir, how are you?
Uh, thank you, Sean.
It's good to be with you.
Well, I've got to give you a lot of praise for this.
Yeah, I have interviewed so many of the families that lost loved ones to illegal immigrants over the years, and when you look at the statistics as it relates to sanctuary cities, the C in August 2016 study of the relationship between those policies and crime rates show that cities refusing to cooperate with federal immigration authorities significantly have consistently higher violent crime rates than do non-sanctuary cities.
So it's just a it's a it's a data issue, even at this point, correct?
It's common sense.
Uh there can be no doubt, whatever the crime rate is in a city, a city who refuses to allow the federal government to devour deport criminal aliens is creating more crime in their city.
It's just that simple.
And they also, as your lead-in, shows that just basically calling on people illegally in the country to come to their city, promising them they won't be deported, even if they commit crime, even if they uh evolved in a gang or assaults or selling heroin, they don't get deported from uh they won't even call the federal government who has the responsibility to remove them from the country.
Uh it's just really uh I thought we had a bipartisan consensus that at least criminal aliens would be deported.
Uh certainly everybody who enters the country unlawfully is subject to being deported.
But for those who come unlawfully and then commit crimes, it's just uh beyond belief that cities wouldn't cooperate in that.
Mr. Attorney General, we even have more data.
When Phoenix dropped their sanctuary city status from 2008 to 2009, in a one-year period, the murder rate in that city dropped 27 percent.
Other crimes fell as well.
Auto thefts down 36 percent, robberies down 23 percent.
Um just general thefts also went down by 19 percent, burglaries down 14 percent, assaults down thirteen percent.
But the rates fell again, but the the smaller numbers, I mean, it is it seems that just data point wise, if criminal illegal immigrants see that they are protected, they're gonna gravitate towards those cities.
How do the cities justify assisting in law breaking?
Why do I think that I'd be handcuffed, perp walked, mugshotted, and put in jail if I just disobeyed the laws?
This the the Phoenix numbers are stunning, actually, and uh they that's common sense.
And you are correct.
These cities are making, I believe, a colossal error.
Among other so I just urge them to reevaluate what they're doing.
It's not too late, uh, both for their own financial benefit, but also for the safety of their city and for good policy.
Cities and mayors do not get to decide on um immigration policy for the United States.
Trump has been clear we want a lawful system of immigration, ones that serves our national interest, and admitting and keeping criminal, illegal aliens in the country cannot be in our national interest, and we at the Department of Justice are committed to supporting our board of patrol and ICE officers at Homeland Security and doing everything we can to restore common sense and lawfulness and fairness to this system.
You know, what I never understood, Mr. Attorney General, I I always viewed that we're a nation of laws and and our laws are founded upon our constitution.
And for the last administration and for these individual cities to ignore the law of the land the way they have, there seems to have never been any accountability for that.
And I don't know, maybe it it's sort of like you know, I I pay my taxes.
It's sort of like it there are laws, you obey the laws.
I I've never understood this effort or this belief system that says that you can just ignore the law.
And then when you see that as a result of ignoring the law, it you know, i in the case of this one guy, uh I talked about his his father, he's been on the program many, many times, Grant Ronnebeck.
Well, the illegal immigrant that shot him in the face and murdered him had already been convicted for holding a uh raping a woman, kidnapping her, and holding her hostage for an entire week, was let go and was not deported.
This is happening all over.
It just makes no sense.
Look, it is a I I've been in law enforcement for a long time before I had this job, and uh it's the way it works is that if you ho if a city arrests somebody for a crime and they know another jurisdiction has uh charges against this individual, they hold them and cooperate in turning them over to the next jurisdiction so that justice can be done there.
These people are breaching that c collaborative approach.
These cities and and sanctuary jurisdictions between federal and state law enforcement and flat refusing to even allow their police officers to tell the federal officers that they're holding somebody who's illegally in the country who's committed a serious crime.
Now you're uh you're attorney general in Alabama, isn't that aiding and abetting in in a crime?
I mean, I I I just to me it's so flagrant um a violation of law.
So what so what's gonna happen now to these cities, uh, Mr. Attorney General, what are you gonna do from here?
Uh you're obviously warning these cities that you they better comply with the rule of law or or they'll lose federal money, and that money is significant, correct?
And and we've heard, for example, Mayor Emmanuel in Chicago constantly saying he doesn't care.
Well, he Chicago sued us.
Um instead of uh spending their money uh uh in and helping the police be cooperative, they barred the police from being cooperative, barred the police from uh allowing the city uh to actually remove criminal aliens that are illegally in the country and do and due to be just supported.
So they're filing a lawsuit against us and we're going to court.
But what our uh plans are to say with regard to the grants that we're issuing, that if you don't cooperate on these uh matters, it's a condition of the grant, and and you don't get the money.
And you have to certify that you're in in compliance, and you have have to prove you're in compliance.
And if you're not cooperating and reasonable can uh partnership arrangement with the federal government, You shouldn't get federal money.
There's no reason for us to reward cities who flatly refuse and and actually act to undermine the laws of the United States.
You know, I went down, I've been down to the border, Mr. Attorney General, some almost a dozen times covering issues involving the border.
I've seen the drug warehouses, floor to ceiling, massive, massive rooms.
I've been there uh on horseback, all terrain vehicle.
I've been in helicopters out on boats, I've been on foot, and I've been all the way from the Rio Grande through San Diego in an office building where a tunnel had been dug from Mexico up into that specific office.
So I've seen an awful lot while I was while I was down there, and my most recent trip was with then Governor Rick Perry, and I sat through a session where they actually gave the the statistics.
I have it all on video where the Department of Public Safety, you know, they had a PowerPoint presentation in a seven year period between two thousand and eight and two thousand and fourteen, over six hundred thousand crimes were committed by illegal immigrants um against Texans, including you know, thousands of homicides and sexual crimes.
Now, I know it's a border town, I know it's a border state, but I I just don't think people are aware of the magnitude of the problem, nor the impact financially it has on the criminal justice system, on on the medical system, the health care system, and on the educational system.
It's uh huge cost.
It's a uh you think of the prison and and then the just the cost of the victims of crime uh that they suffer uh and the psychological uh pain that they suffer and often traumatic for years.
So these are a big cost of crime.
We cannot allow this to happen.
We're also seeing across the border incredible surges in crime.
Cities that used to be safe, now Americans are afraid to even go and visit in those cities, and it can cross the border.
And it's already beginning to uh impact uh on the American side of the border.
So we need to end this lawlessness.
Uh the wall is uh a huge step in the right direction.
People are not entitled to enter this country unlawfully.
They just are not.
They should apply and wait their time, and if they don't get admitted, they don't get admitted, and they're not entitled to enter unlawfully.
Give me a break.
How simple is this?
So I c I I do believe that uh with the support of President Trump, uh, the good leadership we're getting out of the Department of Homeland Security, our work at Department of Justice.
Uh we can continue to see the improvement.
We're down about ill fifty percent.
Uh the uh the illegal entrants are down about fifty percent.
We are not satisfied.
We want to zero.
We want to restore a lawful system, and we're not satisfied with even halfway.
But it does reduce the amount of time and effort and money you have to expend uh when through the president's leadership, we've already received you know, we reduced the number we have to deal with.
I have a last question.
I'm not sure to the extent how much you can talk about them.
I know you mentioned there's a federal investigation of Charlottesville underway, and I know you've also spoken about an investigation into leaking.
Um is there any update you have on those issues or tell us a little bit what they're about?
Well, there's no doubt uh the FBI moved immediately, even Saturday night.
They were conducting interviews in Ohio and gathering evidence, and so we're supporting the local uh police in Virginia and working collaboratively with them.
We're also uh investigating all the possible federal charges uh that are uh possible there.
You know, people are are entitled uh to um uh march and to counter march in America, and they should be protected in those rights, and we intend to do so.
Um with regard to the leaks, uh yes, we are working hard at those.
Um a lot of these things are uh um bitter political leaks, then some of them are dramatically damaging to national security.
Uh they are a high priority of ours, and we're gonna continue to work on it.
We've been we've had a dramatic increase in leak investigations.
FBI and Department of Justice are increasing uh our uh resources and personnel dedicated to that.
It's just out of control.
It cannot be accep accepted.
It's unlawful, and we need to uh stop it.
They're not easy cases to make, as you well know.
Uh but uh we are working at it aggressively.
All right, Mr. Attorney General, always a pleasure to have you.
Thank you for uh updating us uh on that and restoring the rule of law and order and and and investigating these important matters really matter to the American people, and we hope you'll come on the show whenever you can.
We really appreciate your time, sir.
Thank you.
Good to be with you, Sean.
So there is this ESPN, play-by-play guy, Robert Lee.
And I mentioned this yesterday.
I am just amazed at sports broadcasters.
I wish I could do what they do.
I can't.
And I I mentioned, for example, the NHL.
If you watch NHL Networks, if if you watch NBC sports and they've got every NHL night, rivalry night on the NHL.
Um, and you just listened to, you know, this guy Emmerich was the broadcaster.
He's so amazing.
I'm like, how does he possibly do this?
On the try from Craig's car.
Just went to the outside.
From in front penalty stop lost it, poked away by Marshawk, dances to the outside, takes his own pass, march on along in front.
Now you can just hear, and it doesn't matter in the case of it's sort of like radio broadcasting, although he's on television, uh, Doc Emmerich, and I I'm just it's really hard to follow hockey play by play like that.
It and he does it so well.
Anyway, I was very aware of who Robert Lee was, and he was scheduled to do the UVA home opener, and then the USPN president decided to send out a memo, and they had had a meeting and they decided because his name is Robert Lee, he happens to be an Asian American, it shouldn't matter.
He's a great broadcaster.
The guy's amazing.
And they said, Well, because your name is Robert Lee, and we have the monument issue, and we're debating whether or not to take and of course they're talking about Robert E. Lee.
Well, we're gonna put you on a different broadcast.
And I'm like, this is the single dumbest thing I think I've ever heard in my life.
And just listen to what a great broadcaster Robert Lee is.
Hey, Robert Lee, Nate Ross back with you.
Asheville controlled that first half led for about 15 and a half minutes.
Have matched the biggest lead, six points here at halftime, led as always by Amod Thomas, 12 points in 12 minutes.
Final five and a half seconds.
They get in fatigue.
He starts up the court with three.
Teague trying to get the shot away.
He will!
He'll hit it!
Sets it to overtime.
A steal.
Teague ahead for Thomas Hull Hammer home.
It's time to game.
First and ten from the 35, pump fake.
Throw a wide open.
You owe me he's got it for a touchdown.
I grew up loving the radio.
My parents, it wasn't shut off the TV, it was turn the radio off.
And I was up late at night and I listened to the radio.
It drove my parents nuts.
They try to steal my radio, and I'd find another one.
Um and he's uh could you imagine all of that is extemporaneous.
All of you gotta know the players, you gotta know the names.
You gotta go to the 25, the 20, the 15, the 10, you know, touchdown and make it exciting, and they do.
It is one of the most gifted and credible skills.
To do this is insanity.
Anyway, here to get some opinion on it.
My good friend Spencer Tillman, he's the lead studio uh analyst for college football today, CBS Television Network pregame halftime uh studio show, former running back, by the way, eight seasons with the Houston Oilers at the time and San Francisco 49ers.
Dan Bongino is with us, former Secret Service agent, NYPD, also contributing editor of Conservative Review.
Welcome uh both of you back to the program.
Spencer, you you know my love of sports, and I I don't know if you've always known my love of sports broadcasters, but I'm fascinated with them because I can't do what they do.
Yeah, you do, you do it every single day.
No, not what they do.
I don't have to identify everybody's name and be able to pronounce it right.
Yeah, but you say what you see.
You nobody is so deaf with understanding the names of politicians that the movers of the station in this business.
It's not the same.
You're You're being a friend.
It's not the same, Spencer.
It's much different.
It's harder.
Real time, it's faster.
No question about it.
It's fast.
It's yeah, no question.
It's a skill.
Look, you have this skill.
You're an amazing broadcaster.
And Dan Bongino does he's filled on this program.
He's an amazing broadcaster.
And I'm looking, and I you knew who who Robert Lee was before this.
I knew who Robert Lee was before this.
Maybe a lot of people didn't.
I don't know.
I think he's I think he's pretty popular, actually.
And you know, and then they pull this move.
What was your reaction, Spencer?
Well, listen, I never I try to refrain from commenting on what other networks do.
The bottom, because it's just courtesy more than anything else.
But generally, it is an overreaction to society.
You know, we're so politically correct.
And I get frustrated because we're not tackling the real issues.
We're dealing with these ghosts and perceptions of what are the real issues.
And so I'm disappointed in any network, anyone, any in a leader, any uh administrator that would make that call, whether it happened at the regional level or the network level, as we're learning in these uh these days after the event, um, it doesn't really matter.
The sentiment, if you're in charge of a responsibility of making those kinds of choices at any level, you gotta have a worldview.
You gotta have a sense of history and understand what matters, and that has to filter in your choices that you make.
So I'm disappointed that the people who are responsible for being the pathway or the conduit through which we see such an important aspect of our community that is sport uh through our daily lives.
I'm disappointed that they didn't exercise better judgment in that regard.
But it doesn't just you are so diplomatic and so nice, which goes which goes to the listen.
If everybody anybody that knows you, that's who you are.
I get it, and and it's you're just a nice person.
You know one of my favorite sports, opinionated sports commentators is, and he's a good friend of this program and of mine.
And I'm jealous because he's gonna be at the Mayweather McGregor fight.
He's covering it, is Stephen A. And and I just worry that Stephen A, one day, because ESPN is so quick to fire.
Somebody says something controversial.
Oh my gosh, gee, whiz, we can't.
It's like we we if we feign this outrage um when people give strong opinions, and I'm like, I love strong opinions.
Bring it on.
Let's hear it.
Let's have a solid debate about it.
Well, my my opinion is this.
You so like Bill Walsh used to tell us when I was with the 49ers, complexity and preparation, simplicity and execution.
You've got to spend a lot of time knowing your history, knowing the games, as the case may be.
We're talking about sports casters, controversial issues.
You better do a deep dive before you make that kind of choice in that decision.
That's all I'm saying.
I'm disappointed that they didn't do a deeper dive.
That was a superficial knee-jerk reaction response to a situation.
If we keep Spencer on long enough, he's gonna open up and he's opened it up now and it's coming flying out.
Uh let me go to my my buddy uh Dan Bongino here.
And I guess it also raises issues of Colin Kaepernick, we'll get to in a second, but what is your take, uh, Dan?
Yes, Spencer is he's a gentleman.
I really admire his restraint.
Unfortunately, I don't have that kind of control.
No, if we keep him on an hour, he'll be it'll be flying off the handle.
It's gonna be great in an hour.
If you put two beers, it's even gonna be greater.
Yes, right.
That's right.
That's right.
Get those inhibitions down.
No, and listen, this is this is peak liberal craziness.
I mean, we've reached peak insanity.
Sean, I swear, when I on my life, when I saw this story, I was watching Fox, and it came up on my life.
I thought it was a joke.
I thought something like it's sad, it's funny.
I I said to my wife, Paul, I go, Paula, this is so funny.
Listen to this stupid story.
They kicked an Asian broadcaster off because he shares the name of the Confederate general, and my wife goes, Dad, this is true.
Like, this is I'm just I didn't know.
You can't believe it.
You know, it's funny because you and I have there's so much fake news out there.
There's a story that I spent at a Trump hotel, like 42 or 7,000, and I made them fly in a 70-year-old lobster.
And another story that said I died in a bicycle accident.
And I'm I'm like, where does this crap come from?
I don't blame you for thinking it's fake news.
No, when your livelihood is what we do, which is picking apart liberal silliness, even us, we were like, no, come on, this can't be real.
I know it's but it just goes to show you this one.
Here's the takeaway.
That liberals have America believing right now that a fringe portion of America, Not all Democrats, but literally the fringe left of the far left, that that is a position widely held.
And that is what scared ESPN to the point where they removed an Asian American broadcaster for fear of associating him with a Confederate general dead more than a hundred years.
It is literally insanity.
Like insane.
All right, guys, I I hate to I hate to stop any good debate.
Stay right there.
We'll continue.
Right, as we continue Sean Hannity show, we continue with Spencer Tillman and Dan Bon Gino.
Let me let me throw this at you.
Um I am a huge free speech advocate.
And I Colin uh Kaepernick, uh he was one of he he was on track.
He had a trajectory, I thought, to be one of the best quarterbacks from the NFL ever.
I mean, his arm is phenomenal.
And I watched this whole thing unfold last year, and he has every right, and frankly, I respect that.
He he knows he's going against a lot of people's beliefs, and he's standing out there on his own, and he knows the consequences, and he's willing to stand up for what he believes in.
I have no problem with that at all.
But then when teams don't want to hire him, you know, I understand their decision as well.
Thoughts.
Yeah, well, the NFL is a private organization, right?
It's private ownership.
Uh, it has the league that is his face and represents it, but those individual 32 teams can do whatever they want to do.
I remember famously, um it was uh it was uh it was Vince Lombardi who was concerned about some things that were happening in Green Bay.
It was one of the major establishments at the time would not allow African American players to stay at the hotel.
And Vince Lombardi went over and had a conversation with the man.
He said, Hey, look, I will die for the right for you to do what you want to do with respect to who stays in your hotel.
However, I will also exercise the right for anyone within the Green Bay Packer organization not to patronize your place.
And he did that with the same type of respect, but he did it with respect and discipline.
What I think Colin Kaepernick's problem was.
Didn't the LA Dodgers didn't the Dodgers sorry, the Dodgers do that?
Um not LA at the time.
Didn't the Dodgers also do that with Jackie Robinson?
Absolutely.
And see, those types of statements, however, even though it was an internal one, and what it was obviously happening during the time we didn't have Twitter and it couldn't have gotten blown up the way that it it this story does here today.
What it speaks to is the respect and an awareness.
Vince Lombardi literally went there.
I just think the optics of Collins' efforts were wrong from the beginning.
And then I'm gonna be difficult here and speak what most people don't speak.
Today, culturally, if you've got a big Afro, most people, black or white, aren't mature enough to look past the image and impression of what that represents, and they will take a snapshot of it, and then it becomes representative of what they believe you're really all about.
Even though your message may be pure, it may be just, it may be right, the optics just do not look right.
Is it the but Spencer?
Is it the optics?
Because I actually think the ninety whatever percent I can't put a percentage on it.
I think are good people that do that judge their fellow man as created by the same God and by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.
Now, yeah, they're ignorant, bigoted, racist, hateful, evil white supremacist.
There are evil people in this world.
But I don't think people look at Kaepernick from a from a a visual standpoint and say they're against Kaepernick.
I I uh I think he was well loved and idolized and adored by fans.
I think it's position more than looks, no?
Well, there's the thing that we don't know.
In a private room without consequence, how many people would object to that or maybe show a sense?
Look, our our last election is a classic case of it.
The moral majority actually didn't speak loud enough during the race.
Everyone thought the pundits thought, even many conservatives thought that Donald Trump had no way of winning that.
That's the part that you don't know.
But again, it's in that private room without consequence.
Then when it happens, and then the actions define it, then we know what people perhaps were thinking, or at least we can make that assumption.
Yeah, let me get Dan's reaction to that.
Dan.
Yeah, well, Sean, I I don't have any respect for Colin Kaepernick at all.
And I have no problem saying that.
And I don't think this is a principled stand either.
Is it about looks?
Is it about his what he does on the field and his stand he's taken?
Listen, I I I I couldn't care any less about what the guy looks like.
You want to take a principled stand, get your butt off the bench, get off your knees, and go volunteer in a soup kitchen and donate tens of millions of dollars to some cause that matters to you.
You know, Sean, I listen, people go after you, and uh this isn't some like stupid butt kissing moment, but I know what you do behind the scenes for the vet because it matters to you.
You want to take a principled stand, get off your ass, and get out there and go do something and donate your money, you joker.
Because by him doing this and disrespecting the country and smacking everybody in the face like the clown he is, you know what he's doing?
He's taking down the NFL and all those other hardworking people with him.
Guys who really need this job.
Not everybody in the NFL is a multi-billionaire.
He's a disgrace.
And this is what you're spiritual American.
Let me just say this.
I I disagree 100% where you're coming from.
I think he's not a clown.
I think he's a thinking young man.
He has made some optical moves that were not the best.
Uh, he is getting good counsel from people like Dr. Harry Edwards and others that understand history.
The guy is actually trying to make a principal statement about something that is a very real issue that we've not dealt with in this nation.
About Spencer, what is he making a principal?
Let me explain to you.
If you'll be quiet for a minute, I'll explain to you.
The historic marginalization of African Americans in this nation is a matter of record, and we do not acknowledge it to the extent that it manifests itself in all of the the areas, employment historically.
It is it is clear that we have a problem in this nation.
And unfortunately, people like Colin Kaepernick don't present it in a way that we need to address it in a an effective manner.
He's the the optics are getting in the way of what he's trying to communicate.
So I'm not in the street.
Spencer, when you speak out for communist regimes like he does, he's a clown.
I'm sorry, I have no respect for the guy.
He has no idea what he's talking about.
I've not heard him speak out for communist regimes.
I've heard him say, and as we continue Sean Hannity Show, we continue with our friend Spencer Tillman, Dan Bangino with us.
They were discussing Colin Coepernick, and and Dan was pretty adamant in expressing his thoughts that he's a clown and Spencer's taking issue with it.
Dan, I'll let you finish your thought and we'll let Spencer respond.
Well, listen, the guy wears socks that depicted cops as pigs.
What kind of principle is that?
Is this guy serious?
I mean, burglars would break into his house tomorrow and steal his stuff if it wasn't for a men and women in blue.
He's a joke.
The guy's a total farce.
I mean, comparing him to some to anyone with principles who's actually fought the good fight is embarrassing.
I I'm serious, I have zero respect for him.
And the fact that he's destroying the NFL, it really, the people in the NFL should be really, really upset.
Get this guy off the side.
You want to disrespect meant them, do it in a locker room.
If he had that kind of power to destroy the NFL, believe me, he wouldn't be alive right now.
I don't think that would be the case.
Again, the socks, that's part of the optics.
If twenty seven, twenty eight.
By the way, I'm gonna help my friend Spencer out.
He wouldn't be alive right now.
This is called a talk show.
That is called hyperbole.
It doesn't mean physically harming somebody by anybody in the NFL that would ever do that.
Because Colin Kaepernick spoke out on his personal beliefs.
Go ahead.
Well, yeah, I mean again, ultimately what it amounts to is those are again gets back to the original comment about optic.
The optics of the situation is what it is.
He's a young man that made poor decisions.
He's since got some counsel about that.
That's the disappointing thing about all of this.
The real issues are not being addressed here.
We're dealing with the the hyperbolic parts of it and the easily exportable parts, the symbolic parts, pigs, socks with pigs on it, the afro.
All of that stuff taints a picture and a narrative and it gives someone an opinion about someone and it's not a good thing.
Is it the what is what is the more er is it that he's taking the knee?
Is it the socks more than whatever I think it I think it is people that are offended because the blanket statement that he's a disrespecting the flag?
And I think this, listen, if you read the go reading.
Do you think he is when he does that?
Do you think he is disrespecting the flag?
Sean, you're a bright man and you know I love and respect you.
Go read and listen to the second stanza of the lyrics that Spencer Scott Keith wrote.
If you read that narrative, which we never sing, by the way, you'll understand exactly why people who are educated, white and black, understand, at least to a larger degree, the plight of people like Colin Kaepernick.
When you look at the lyrics, just go read the lyrics.
I encourage your listeners to go read the lyrics.
We know it by heart.
Everybody knows it.
We but I'm not sure.
Everybody doesn't know it, Sean.
Everybody doesn't know it.
You know the first stanza, but read the entire lyrics from the second stanza.
There that's not that's only a portion.
Read the entire song.
And when you put it in that context, people that function with a sense and awareness of history.
Uh uh, listen, this is this is an incredible conversation.
I mean, I don't know how else do you accept the symbolism of wearing Castro, a killer communist on your t shirt and pigs as cops on your socks.
I mean, listen, with all due respect, S Spencer, that the the guy's a joke.
What symbol is I don't understand.
Like, is there is there an alternate way to interpret a cop depicted as a pig on someone's like?
Like, what's the alternate way?
Like, what we're I don't get it.
There's only one way to interpret that.
That's to be a childish, immature jerk, and to insult people who, by the way, make a a a one one thousandth of what this Joker jerk makes on the sideline, go to work every day and put their cabooses on the line, so people like Kaepernick can live in these multimillion dollar homes.
And you put socks on, but are you a funny guy?
What is he, a comedian?
You're a quarterback.
Get on the field, you clown.
Play the football.
By the way, lit Linda has that second stanza.
Let me let Linda go ahead, read it.
I did I didn't know it by memory.
I don't know if any of you did.
I don't know.
It's just a part here where it's not.
Do you want to sing it for us or no, no, I don't think so.
Not today.
But it just talks about, you know, it's not a big thing.
Dan and Spencer are really mad now that you won't say it.
I think they're just Spencer's just happy that someone's gonna validate this because nobody knows about this stanza.
And so that this will give a little feel to the fodder.
But it talks about it's actually a third stanza and decrying former slaves that were working for the British Army, and he had says their blood is washed out, their foul footsteps, pollution, no refuge could save the hireling and slave from the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave and the Star Spangled Banner and Triumph Doth Wave or the land of the free and the home of the brave.
So it's basically minimizing the the the black soldier as well as talking about the fact that he's an underling.
Yeah, so um again, understand when people put their hand over the heart and they sing the Star Springled Banner.
There is another narrative that Francis Scott Key scripted and wrote to that.
We don't think about it.
Like much of history, most people are going on autopilot, and we in entropy sets in.
The further we get away from the truth of history, our knowledge and understanding.
Let me ask this question.
I could put you guys on for three hours one day, and I think this would be a really worthwhile conversation for the country.
And it's a tribute to both of you.
But do you agree with me that most the majority, the overwhelming majority, Spencer, view racism as evil, which it is repugnant and disgusting and they absolutely, Sean, listen, civil societies exist because the majority of people choose to obey the law.
If that was not the case, we would not elected a Barack Obama.
I am an optimist in the strictest sense of the definition.
However, we cannot have this convenient attitude about when people have this misgivings about history.
And when we begin to voice them, privileged groups, I don't care if it's white, black, green, yellow, clubs, whatever the organization.
Reinhold Nieber wrote this in his book, Moral Man, Immoral Society.
Privileged groups rarely give up or sheer privilege without great and strong resistance.
That's all I'm saying.
And what we feel and what we see in the neo-Nazi reaction to this this non violent act in Charlottesville is part of that resistance.
It is a small faction, but unfortunately they have a large voice, and the inherent nature of what we are in our culture.
I don't even think it's a loud voice.
I think they are a tiny, tiny insane loud.
Yeah, but they're but most people see them as insane.
I mean, you do know that.
Most people don't you see uh when I uh when I praise the Boston protesters on Monday, what I said was there is a a natural instinctive revulsion at people that want to associate themselves with that type of hatred.
And the fact that ninety-nine percent of them went out there and stood up, we ought to applaud them all.
Because they did it, they did it peacefully, and the few little agitators that were there, the police handled perfectly.
I thought it was a strong stand.
And and every conservative Dan Bungino that I know, you know, absolute I don't know these people uh who they are would I ever want to know them?
And it's not the conservative movement where I go sideways with people is when they try and brand falsely conservative as every two, four years we get the same crap that racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, is homophobic, and and you've dealt with it in your career.
You know, Sean, I was listening to your show after that uh dreadful shooting of Steve Scalise, and uh you know, I have my own little thing I put on, and you and I were both absolutely unequivocal and crystal clear on this point.
For as much as we can't stand Bernie Sanders' ideological views, he was in no way responsible for the acts of a derangement.
Not at all.
And I said it at the time.
You said it a thousand times on the show because I listened that day, I listened the next day, and I heard you say it, and every conservative out there with credibility said the same thing.
Well, what happened with these lunatics, this this guy in Charlottesville, some maniac who has absolutely nothing to do with pure conservative values and the respect for God given big R rights, kills a woman tragically, horrifically, and all of a sudden every conservative in the country is supposed to apologize?
Well, are you insane?
Like condemn absolutely, of course.
But apologize for what?
We have nothing to do with these neo Nazi maniacs.
Well, you know, the Republican Party is the party that fought Jim Crow that fought slavery, that fought for big Rights.
Do people forget this?
I mean, you want to talk about history, Spencer?
That's real history.
The real history of freedom and liberty is the history of the Republican Party.
It has nothing to do whatsoever with Democrats and their their tendency to pin every single act of a political tech on Republican.
Spencer, you can bail out because I I I know this you don't do a lot of politics, and this is the thing that frustrated me on the whole thing is you know, I I went back to 1991 and I have a tape of Donald Trump condemning Duke and racism and white supremacy and and to him saying it to Matt Lauer 20 years ago and him saying it all throughout the campaign and him saying it all throughout Charlottesville and and so I and also knowing the man and knowing his business and knowing the people he associates
with and knowing the people that he brought into his campaign.
I know it all of all races, creeds, colors, and backgrounds.
I'll finish this one thought.
And the only thing I'm I'm gonna say is the media would never tell that part of the story.
And they'd never tell the part of the story where Hillary Clinton just seven years ago was praising a guy that was a former Klansman and claimed that he was one of the the greats of all time in politics and her mentor and J. William Fulbright, well, Bill Clinton praised him as his mentor, and he signed on to the Southern Manifesto, and you keep saying that we need to know our history.
Well, I wouldn't be praising somebody that signed on to the Southern Manifesto to go against the Supreme Court and their decision on Brown versus Board of Education, and h the the segregationist J. William Fulbright, like Robert Byrd were against the Civil Rights Act of 64 and the voting rights act of 65 and Lyndon Johnson to get those historic bills passed relied on the Republicans to get it done, not the Democrats, and not the people the Clintons praise.
Yeah, and the reason why those types of things happen is because everything moves toward decay.
Listen, if you go to Europe right now, I guarantee you you will not find a high school with Hitler's name on the side of it, right?
Why is that?
There is a part of the country that believes the the continent that believes and understands the travesty that that represented.
And to think that someone in any point in time in history would subsequently come back and name a school after someone that was responsible for for so much is irrep is reprehensible in a similar way.
So 57, there are 57 highway schools monuments, including the West Virginia State House in West Virginia that praise Robert Byrd, the former Klansman.
Should they be taken down?
That's I absolutely here's what I'm saying.
The consciousness should be reexamined for why they were there in the first place.
I mean, that's that's the kind of thinking that needs to go into any decisions that are made.
We need to go back and look at all traditions and examine them.
And if they fail in providing definitive enough support that they support what America stands for, they should always be a reexamined.
And yes, in light of new information, people are reintroduced into the legal system all the time.
It's not new.
We've always known that Byrd was a former Klansman.
We always knew J. William Fulbright was against the Southern Manifesto and answered your own question.
That should be an indictment to anybody that did it.
Anybody that authorized that that should be brought up.
But I I guess what I'm saying, Spencer, is I'm talking about the double standard, because I they have ignored Trump's history, and they are trying to bludgeon him that he didn't say it enough times the right way.
And meanwhile, there's this history over the course of his life where he has.
There's also the Clinton's history, where they have praised people that did support the Southern Manifesto, that did even filibuster the Civil Rights Act in the case of Byrd.
Al Gore's father was one of them, voted against it, and the history is the Republicans supported it.
And they were never bludging the way Donald Trump is getting bludgeoned.
I'm look, I'm not trying to drag you deep into politics.
You're a friend and I'm not sure.
That's okay.
Listen, Sean, what I will do is talk about human nature.
And the fact of the matter is, and there's good and evil.
Yes, it is good and evil, and it is yet very predictable.
This is all part of a struggle that must be.
Time does a number on all of us.
There was a time when Mohammed Ali was reviled.
They sent him to jail for his beliefs and what he stood up for.
And I cannot think of a more iconic figure than to see him with that cauldron in his hand trembling from Parkinson's at that point.
Was there a more popular person in the world than Muhammad Ali?
What he did then was no different and no less unjust now than what I was doing.
And through the listen, I'll say this through the prism of history.
Fifty-eight thousand American heroes and America's treasure died in a war that became politicized.
And uh we can't ask these brave men and women to do that ever again.
All right, I want to get a response from Dan Bongino.
You know, Sean, the problem with this is this is a very slippery slope.
Spencer makes a good point, you know that listen, that there would there are obviously ver still a lot of open wounds about what happened in our history of country with race, which is always gonna be trouble.
The problem I have with this is this is this was a problem all over the world.
We were the one country on earth that, as you a accurately stated, forfeited hundreds of thousands of lives to wipe the stain of slavery clean.
Now, if we're going to start wiping down monuments and taking down monuments, where does it end?
I mean, where does are we basing it on what?
A level of imperfection?
What level of imperfection?
If it offends one group, what if it offends another group?
I mean, listen, you what about statues of FDR?
I mean, he was responsible for the internment of Japanese during World War II.
Do we take that down?
The problem I have with this is the slippery slope never ends.
It's time to acknowledge our history.
It's not sanitized, it's not perfect, it's not clean.
Sometimes it was ugly, but we are still the greatest and most prosperous country on earth.
We should acknowledge the history, acknowledge our imperfections, and move on and stop catering to liberal snowflakes' feelings about every and Sean.
If this was such a big deal, by the way, why would you have a lot of people?
Let me get a quick response, then I gotta take a break.
Uh Spencer.
I agree with Dan what he just said.
We cannot have knee-jerk reactions.
Well, what don't you no no no?
You can't agree because you're ruining my program.
I mean to stop.
I mean, this is ridiculous.
This is what our iterated to disagree with.
The focus should be on education.
Only after people understand the truth can we make a conscious choice and decisions about what the nation.
But you know something?
Look at the mysterious reluctance and resistance, especially, and then this becomes political for me because conservatives have been saying, let local municipalities, towns, and cities decide.
Let the states decide, because they're gonna have an active role.
Thank you, Spencer Tillman.
Thank you, Dan Bongino, love you both.
And uh, I'll have you back.
This is a great hour, and I think an enlightening one.
