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Has Political Correctness Reached A New Low? - 8.24

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	It's 800-941 Sean, and we are loaded up today.
	I am really looking forward to a debate coming up later in the program about this idiotic, this insane policy at ESPN.
	Well, we're going to take the great announcer, Robert Lee, off the UVA game because Robert Lee, well, with all the issues that are going on in the country right now, and we're talking about Robert E. Lee and taking down monuments and statues and all this sort of thing, you know, given the amount of attention in the media generated by, you know, one of the countless routine decisions of our local production team that they make every day, I wanted to make sure you have the facts.
	There was never any concern at anyone at any level that Robert Lee's name would offend anyone watching the Charlottesville game.
	Then why did they do it?
	It makes zero sense.
	So anyway, Spencer Tillman, great guy, Dan Bongino, great guy.
	They're going to be debating that.
	Also, I'm sure get into the issue of Colin Kaepernick later in the program today.
	We've got Rick Unger and Jonathan Gillum as part of our debate.
	That's coming up in the course of the extravaganza that we have on the program today.
	Also, more and more newspapers, now they're weighing in now that you have these intelligence officials with like a collective hundred years of experience.
	I mean, Bill Binney alone has what 32, four years in the NSA as one of our top intelligence guys, people of high position.
	Now that the nation, the Washington Times, Bloomberg, and other publications have all picked up on the fact that, no, we don't think it's Russia and we have a reason why we don't think it's Russia.
	That raises a huge narrative for the country and for Robert Mueller.
	And then to add to that, apparently Dana Rohrbacher meets with Julian Assange, who's the only one person that knows whether or not the DNC emails actually came from Russia.
	And apparently he's saying that he has proof that, like he had said to me in five separate interviews, that in fact he didn't have it.
	That raises then questions: well, if it's about Trump and Russia, then we've got to ask ourselves a question: why are we even investigating this anymore?
	And is Robert Mueller going to try and find out the truth and the facts on all of these issues or go further with it?
	So that's all coming up in the course of the program today.
	One other thing on Colin Kaepernick, before we move any further, their NBC News is reporting that apparently the left-wing news in this country, fake news, took a break from their constant Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia.
	Oh, he's going to drop a nuclear bomb on North Korea, Korea, Korea, race, race, racist, racist, racist.
	And they actually followed another story, this being about Colin Kaepernick.
	And apparently, there's a group that is showing their support.
	Now, the NFL suffered in the ratings last year.
	I would argue there's probably a couple of reasons.
	One is it was a highly contested election year.
	And I'm just being honest.
	I know ratings, that definitely had a part to play in it.
	And Colin Kaepernick and what was going on there offended many people.
	And as a result, people said, you know what, I don't feel like tuning into the NFL if this is what I'm going to see.
	And people, you know, I wish there wasn't a lot of politics in sports, but it is what it is.
	Colin Kaepernick is an American.
	He's free to do anything he wants.
	I believe in freedom of speech, full, complete freedom of speech.
	Anyway, NBC News reported there were hundreds of demonstrators in New York City at the NFL headquarters in New York City, which I never even knew existed in New York City, to show their support for Colin Kaepernick.
	He's, of course, the former quarterback.
	Now, he did have one of the, when he was with San Francisco, one of the greatest arms in the NFL, an amazing athlete, an amazing quarterback.
	And so far this year, Kaepernick has yet to be signed by an NFL team ahead of this season.
	And I'd argue the only way that he probably gets picked up by a team is if, in fact, somebody's quarterback or two quarterbacks end up getting injured on a particular team.
	Maybe somebody at that point might pick him up.
	But I also would argue that he has not performed at the level that he was performing at prior to all of this political stuff that he's been involved in.
	But anyway, he's not been signed.
	And many in the large crowd outside the NFL offices were wearing Kaepernick jerseys.
	Some of them holding signs calling for a boycott of the NFL, or some reading, according to NBC, Black Lives Matter.
	And we're here because we believe that Colin Kaepernick deserves a job, said a Democratic strategist and political commentator, Simone Sanders, at the start of the United We Stand rally.
	And we also believe the NFL has been complicit in ostracizing of Colin Kaepernick.
	And today it's time for the NFL to take a stand.
	And earlier on Wednesday, the NAACP, they sent a letter calling for a meeting with the NFL over Colin Kaepernick.
	You know, it's actually a pretty amazing story when you think about it.
	And then they go on to say that, and, you know, that they want to debate the issue of freedom of speech.
	Nobody's denying Colin Kaepernick, and nor should they deny Colin Kaepernick the right to freedom of speech.
	But that doesn't mean that, you know, I would argue that in many ways, probably Tim Thibaut, if you remember back when he played for Denver, and look, I talked to other people.
	Look, one of my best friends is somebody you all know and love, and he's one of the great political sports commentators of all time, and it's Stephen A. Smith.
	I can't tell you how many fights we have had, not only over Donald Trump, because he writes me all the time, I don't know, I don't know about Donald Trump.
	You're not getting it.
	You're not listening to me.
	But the same debate we had over, you know, somebody that played quarterback for the Denver Broncos and won a big playoff game for them.
	And that's a guy by the name of Tim Thibault.
	And Tim Tebow, I think owners didn't want him to take a knee and distract from the game in some ways.
	That's my own personal opinion.
	Now, the Jets picked him up, and I felt they never used him the way he could have been used.
	Other people tell me, well, he's not the great quarterback that you like and think.
	I just think he's a great asset and a great guy.
	And I liked him personally.
	And I always wanted him to succeed.
	And I know how hard he worked off the field.
	I don't know how hard Kaepernick works off the field.
	I don't know if he's improved his game.
	I don't know if other teams have looked at him.
	I don't know.
	But, you know, are we going to force the NFL teams to take on a player if they don't?
	I don't know.
	I just, I find it amazing that you can say, well, maybe they don't think he's good enough to play.
	A lot of people told me they felt that way about Tim Thibaut.
	I disagree.
	People can have an honest disagreement.
	And Kaepernick didn't have his best years leading up to all of this.
	So it's pretty interesting to watch this get into the way of politics.
	I don't think, in my opinion, the NFL, I think most people tune in because they want to see a great game.
	And I think one of the things people love about watching NFL games, there's something pretty magical that happens at the end of games that a lot of people don't pay attention to.
	But you often see guys of all races, all backgrounds, get in a huddle after the game.
	Again, both teams, after they've been out on the field doing battle, and they give thanks to God that they're healthy and for the opportunity to play in the NFL.
	And I actually think it's such a great example that they set for a lot of kids in the country.
	I disagree.
	I didn't like the socks that Colin Kaepernick was wearing or his support of regimes that I don't support, like Castro, his anti-cop socks that he was wearing.
	I don't like his positions on the issues.
	And I don't think that my own personal opinion is that he's been an effective messenger by doing those things.
	But on the other hand, he can do whatever he wants, but teams also can do whatever they want here.
	You know, I had a very interesting experience I want to tell you about.
	So there is a liberal writer.
	I'm not going to mention him.
	I wrote him a note back.
	I said, please keep it off the record.
	So I'm going to keep him off the record.
	But it was very interesting.
	And something that he said about me that I kind of want to share with you a little bit, and that he actually saw that, and I think it's a fundamental misunderstanding.
	He actually saw that I was saying things, and I had done it on Twitter, and I had done it on radio, and I had done it on TV.
	And I think he caught the TV version, if I'm correct.
	I don't really remember, that when I talked about the Boston protesters, the 99% of them, that they were peaceful, and that I applauded them for standing up against racism and hatred and bigotry, putting aside.
	That's what they all were marching against.
	I don't know.
	I never got a chance to go back and see what happened.
	I don't even know if the speakers ever actually got there.
	I was told there was like 14 or 15 of them.
	And I only saw a small clip of one of them.
	So I don't want to judge what was said or not said or what the rally was about or not about.
	I know how it was portrayed.
	I know what the mayor said.
	And I don't know what the speaker said, but the mayor was saying that it was a white sympathizer rally.
	And that's what the people were protesting against.
	And I said, well, I applaud that.
	And so this person caught me saying that, somebody that doesn't agree with me politically.
	And I just thought about why that would be, I don't know, it was almost like, well, this is really good of Sean Hannity, who I hate.
	He didn't say hate.
	That's too strong a word, or maybe disagree with politically.
	And the note that I sent back is because I felt in my heart that conservatives really are not understood in this way.
	And I felt that the impact of every two and four years of lies, propaganda, misinformation, distortions about who conservatives are and what we believe in probably contributed to a false impression.
	And I'm thinking if a guy that is pretty hip and knowledgeable about politics, although wrong, maybe has this false perception about conservatives, then maybe other people have fallen prey to the bludgeoning of what it means to be a conservative by liberals because the narrative they advance is not accurate and it's not true and it's not right and it's not just.
	And so I went on to explain this and I talked about the fact that, yeah, we all love our country.
	The people that protested in Boston peacefully, the 99% and the 1% that didn't, the Boston police handled it masterfully.
	It was textbook in terms of how they handled it.
	And they deserve all due praise and credit.
	And the mayor, who I probably never vote for, I don't know a whole lot about him, he handled it perfectly.
	And the protesters handled it perfectly.
	And I mentioned this one particular case where I saw this one young man that was walking through the crowd of demonstrators with a Make America Great hat on.
	And he did get his hat knocked off.
	But very, very quickly, expeditiously, the crowd immediately came to this young man's defense.
	And they said, no, no violence, leave him alone.
	And I saw another instance in another video where there were some of the few agitators and then other people that were there peacefully protesting came to this guy's defense because I guess he had a t-shirt on or something.
	I didn't get the whole story.
	But so it was the right thing to say.
	If people stand up against what is evil, racism and white supremacy, Nazis and extremism or what they believe is that, that is the right thing to do.
	And they should be applauded.
	It's not about politics at that point.
	The police that handled it well should be applauded.
	Politicians, unlike, say, the Charlottesville mayor and deputy mayor and Democrats and the Democratic governor, Terry McAuliffe, you know, we see what happens if they don't do their job.
	Terry McAuliffe just outright lied, saying, well, we were outgunned.
	They weren't outgunned.
	And then the police spokesperson corrected the record.
	But I thought every two or four years, and I played this, I think it's had an impact that there are people on the left that actually believe conservatives and Republicans are racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, and Islamophobic.
	And it's a lie.
	It's a big lie.
	And it's a political strategy.
	And it's meant to bludgeon and hurt political opponents in their pursuit of power.
	And conservatives that I know don't think like this and don't believe in this.
	Just like it's been unfair that the media never tells the whole story about Donald Trump.
	I'll get to more of this when we get back.
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	All right, so just to finish the thought, and so I think this liberal had a false impression about what it means to be a conservative and who we are and what we believe and what our values are.
	And I pointed out, you know, I don't hear the left now, they claim they have a monopoly of compassion, but I don't hear the left talking about the 50 million Americans on food stamps and poverty out of the labor force, the 51-year low in home ownership rates, the doubling of our national debt, the failed record of liberalism.
	13 million more Americans on food stamps, 8 million more in poverty.
	You know it if you listen to this program regularly.
	I don't know, you know, not identifying radical Islamists is not the answer.
	It's a real threat.
	And it's not funny, as is North Korea and Iran.
	And the only thing I can think of is the reason for the shock and surprise is that this individual doesn't know who we are.
	And this person is bought into a great lie about what it means to be conservative.
	They don't know.
	And in part, they have been fed this by a media and by power-hungry politicians and by a political play and by a political strategy.
	And it's the same playbook every two years and every four years.
	Conservatives, Republicans, the president, now racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, misogynistic, blah, blah, blah.
	And I don't know people in the conservative movement like that.
	I never have, nor would I accept them.
	I actually mentioned to this individual: you know what, I would speak out if they ever did exist that I knew.
	President's been speaking out montage after montage over the years, disavowing racism, bigotry, white supremacy, and hatred again and again.
	Nobody in the media plays it but me.
	Or nobody knows the truth about Hillary Clinton praising Robert Byrd or J. William Fulbright, the mentor of William Jefferson Clinton.
	Southern Manifesto against the Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, both of them.
	So I think these people are so off the rails, they're never going to remember the forgotten men and women.
	I spoke out against the Catholic Church.
	I was raised Catholic when I saw evil that was being perpetrated there.
	They don't know, and they don't want to know who we are.
	What you want, but you can get Sean Hannity online at Hannity.com.
	All right, 25 till the top of the hour.
	Before we get to the other news of the day, I hope you pay very close attention.
	If you are looking in the Houston, Corpus, Christie area, et cetera, et cetera, in Texas, Hurricane Harvey could be the worst hurricane in that area, which would have been Celia in 1970.
	Now, this is a major, major storm, and the impact is going to be pretty severe, according to, well, the official weather person of the Sean Hannity show, our friend Joe Bistardi of Weatherbell.com.
	You need weatherweatherbell.com.
	How are you, my friend?
	And, you know, whenever you tell me to pay really close attention, I pay attention.
	And you were telling me now for the last few days, and here we are.
	Yeah, well, here's what's going on.
	I'm going to cut you quick because you do have a lot of news going on.
	Harvey is going to intensify very rapidly now.
	And it's something that we've been seeing for quite some time.
	In fact, our preseason forecast on May 12th said this would be the year that the hurricane drought ended because of the patterns in close to the United States.
	And you're noticing storms aren't really developing out near Africa.
	They're waiting until they get further west, like you saw with Franklin, even GERT, which went off the east coast.
	But here's what's going to happen with Harvey.
	It's going to be a cat 2 to Cat 3 tomorrow morning, and it will be located tomorrow morning about 150 miles east-southeast of Brownsville.
	The landfall is coming near or just north of Corpus Christi as a category 3 or 4 hurricane early in the morning on Saturday.
	Now, let me stress how important this track is.
	If this can hit up a little bit north of Aransas Pass, and, you know, we've got a lot of people.
	So you speak in terms that nobody understands.
	You got to give big cities so everyone gets you here.
	Okay, well, Aransas Pass, I'm talking to our listeners in Corpus now and KKTX here.
	If we can hit this north of Aransas Pass, it could spare the city the worst of what will be at least as bad as Celia, and perhaps even more.
	If you live in Corpus Christi and you went through Celia, that's your benchmark storm.
	That went from a category one to a category four in a period of 24 hours.
	If this storm, Sean, comes in just south of Corpus Christi, the way the bay is shaped and everything else, it's a disaster for Corpus Christi.
	As it is, there's going to be severe damage around that area.
	Well, I just want to make sure we're clear because I take everything you say seriously.
	And honestly, I give you a hard time the one or two times over the years.
	You might have been inaccurate, but you always give the best and worst case scenarios.
	But in all honesty, when you say that it's going to be that bad, are you talking about Katrina-like forces here or close?
	Well, I don't know if we want to compare it to Katrina.
	It's a different beast, and I'll tell you why.
	Let me get to the rest of the story.
	It stalls near Corpus, makes a tight loop around Corpus, and comes back out into the Gulf of Mexico Sunday night.
	Okay?
	Now, wait a minute.
	Now, wait a minute.
	Then it hugs the Texas Gulf Coast all the way up to the Golden Triangle.
	And what we're forecasting at Weatherville now— Explain the Golden Triangle so people know.
	That's Beaumont-Port Arthur.
	Beaumont-Port Arthur.
	But it will pass maybe 15 to 30 miles south of Galveston while it's doing this as a category two, three, or four hurricane.
	It may be a major hurricane on the bottom.
	It just sits there and goes up slowly.
	Yeah.
	So, and here's a big problem around the Houston area.
	You will not get winds as bad as Ike.
	I don't think you'll get winds as bad as Ike, but you may have rains near or more than Allison, okay?
	And people in Houston know what I'm talking about, all right?
	For Galveston, here's an it's almost an unbelievable problem.
	It's something I outlined on our blog the other day.
	The storm surge comes as a storm is going by, the wind is coming from the southeast, piling water into Galveston Bay.
	In the meantime, all the water is coming down the rivers from all the heavy rain, the Trinity River and the San Jacinto River, and all these rivers are coming in and they're piling water up.
	The storm goes by, the wind shifts to hurricane force out of the north.
	So what happens to Galveston is the bayside may take a hit as if a storm surge came from the ocean.
	You understand what I'm saying?
	Because if you've been to Galveston, you know the seawall protects the main part of the city from the ocean.
	But there's no protection from the back bay if the bay is enhanced with gulf water that's poured in and the rainwater.
	So we are looking at a situation, and I don't want to overplay this, but I've got to say, there's potential to cut off Galveston Island with this thing.
	And so we have to understand what we are looking at in the entire area.
	Now, Carla, in 1961, and, you know, I lived in Texas and people know.
	Well, my niece, you know, lives in Houston.
	And I keep asking you what's going on, what's going on.
	I emailed her today, and I said, you better take it seriously.
	Yeah, she's got to take it seriously.
	The Houston area, it's raining.
	There will be power outages in there.
	I think you're going to see 50, 60, maybe 70 mile-an-hour wind gusts in Houston.
	It's the coast that gets it.
	And Houston storm, folks, comes Monday into Tuesday, I think.
	This is Corpus' storm Friday night, Saturday into Sunday, and then it works its way up along the coast.
	Is there a reason this is happening?
	Is something strange?
	No, we see storms get caught and blocked all the time.
	There's going to be, but they do it out in the middle of the Atlantic, so no one even cares about it.
	This is getting blocked near the Texas coast, and there's going to be 20 to 30 inches of rain from Corpus all the way to Houston and on into southwest Louisiana, Lake Charles, and some of these places are going to get hit bad.
	If you think that is bad, if you think that's bad, when Hurricane Flora stalled over eastern Cuba for four days in 1963, 100 inches of rain at Santiago de Cuba.
	So the point of the matter is that what you are seeing is an event for the tropics.
	It's unusual for Texas, but it is certainly well within the realm of things that, you know, when you wargame hurricanes and you start thinking about the worst case scenarios, you think about things like this.
	Let me ask this question, and it's the practical question that I always ask you every time one of these issues comes up, and that is that what advice do you give people now in specific areas to do?
	Because do you want some people to get out, some coastal people to get out?
	Do you think, you know, I just like to give people practical advice because those are the questions I ask you every time you try and scare the crap out of me that something's coming here.
	Yeah, well, you know, Irene and Sandy, you, you know.
	I mean, you have to remind me, right?
	You have to go right at me.
	Go ahead.
	All right.
	All right.
	No, but the point is, is that as I'm just telling everybody, Joe is rarely wrong.
	So that's why, you know, we love you so much.
	And I just want people to be prepared.
	Well, I'd like to think it was because of my good looks and personality.
	No, and it's not that you don't have good looks or personality.
	So what's the point?
	Your son has all of that, but you don't have any.
	Around that corpus area, from Beeville North to Galveston Island, everything has to be locked down because you're in the warning area.
	Take the warning seriously.
	When you say lockdown, that means plywood, cover your windows, tape your windows, whatever you can get done, and have food, water, supplies, flashlights, radios, etc., and be prepared for flooding.
	Right.
	Those areas, whatever the local authorities are advising you do, you folks further up the coast, the Houston, Beaumont, Port Arthur area, and even Galveston, you will have to wait to see if this scenario I'm outlining is correct.
	I believe it's correct now, but the weather is very tough.
	If that happens, you will have a longer time to get prepared.
	But when this comes, it will be as serious a situation because of the combination of flooding and the track of the storm as anything you've probably seen.
	Remember, Ike came in, but I kept moving, went through Houston.
	Rita came in just to the east.
	This is raking the Texas coast.
	If what we're predicting right, folks, is the loop comes to Corpus Christi, makes a loop, comes back out over the water, and then moves northeastward up just offshore and into southwest Louisiana.
	This is a prolonged siege that's going to occur.
	And something like this is I'm going to use the word, if this happens the way I'm describing it, it's going to have catastrophic effects from that coastal bend all the way up into the southwest part of Louisiana and then flooding on up toward the Ohio Valley.
	So, you know, we may even have to be dealing with Irma near Cape Hatteras, but that'll just be a lot weaker than what Harvey will be.
	So everybody's going to be seeing this all over television until people in Corpus Christi and surrounding areas lose their power and those that don't have generators of any type.
	So when will we see the coverage then beginning?
	I know, for example, Fox is beginning to cover it now, but we'll see wall-to-wall coverage when.
	Oh, that'll be tomorrow.
	There'll be wall-to-wall coverage tomorrow.
	And if I'm correct about the loop and back out over the water, there'll be wall-to-wall coverage Monday and Tuesday.
	All right.
	The weekend, too.
	The weekend.
	Well, it's going to be all weekend long.
	And then you're saying Houston, get ready by Monday, right?
	Yeah, well, but Monday is Monday.
	Looking at the Monday morning weather map, I put the storm maybe about 200 miles south-southwest of Houston.
	And then in the morning on Tuesday, I put the storm maybe 25, 30 miles south of Galveston.
	You know what scares me about you?
	And look, you're one of my best friends.
	I love you.
	I mean, you're just such a great guy.
	But what I love the most about Joe Bastardi, Weatherbell.com, if you're going to follow it all weekend long, is your knowledge is encyclopedic.
	Your passion is infectious.
	The fact that you would go out there and follow storms and tornadoes, I like the little bit of nuttiness that you have.
	You also, for example, you know that I'm really into martial arts and you're always telling me about great nutritional advice and you're giving me great advice.
	I think it's your nice way of saying you look fat on TV, so we want you to look a little bit better.
	But I mean, when you get into something, you just own it.
	I mean, you own what you do, and I love the passion you have.
	Well, this is not so much different than training.
	You know, I just competed in the over 60 nationals in Pittsburgh in bodybuilding, and I'm still competing.
	And your preparation, your passion, and your purpose all determine how things are going to turn out.
	And so, and it's the way I am in the climate fight is simply because my father taught me to look at everything that has happened before.
	So when someone tells me something, I can say no.
	Well, I mean, it's a real tribute.
	People don't know this story, and I'm spending way too much time with you, but it's important.
	I mean, your father did this.
	You did this.
	Your son does this.
	Your son helped me out once.
	Remember, I was looking for specific weather information.
	And the amount of research that he sent me, I'm like, wait a minute, it was a really simple question.
	But it was extraordinarily indicative of just the mindset of somebody that really cares about what they do.
	And that's why we love you.
	All right, listen, we'll have you back on the air tomorrow.
	We'll update people on the program then.
	But I hope the people listen closely to what it is you're saying.
	And let's say you're off a little bit, and maybe it's not quite as severe.
	That's a good thing.
	And you're also warning people about worst case scenarios so that they can make the proper preparations.
	They can be safe.
	Their families can be safe.
	You don't want people dying in these incidents.
	And a lot of people thought, I'm going to tough it out.
	And, you know, I've seen reporters nearly blown away over the years for crying out loud.
	They don't take this.
	Well, I mean, that's their job, but people don't take these things seriously enough.
	And so I hope people will pay very close attention.
	I hope authorities pay close attention.
	I hope we don't have another situation where the authorities aren't prepared.
	They don't do their job.
	And then people end up suffering.
	They're going to be ready, Sean.
	This is Texas.
	This is Texas.
	You're right.
	Well, but with all due respect, I mean, I have a lot of respect for Louisiana, too, and they had very unique circumstances being below ground there, below the waterline.
	And levies, the weirdest thing about what happened with Katrina to me was with pinpoint accuracy, 30 years in advance, the Times Piki Unfect pinpoint accuracy.
	predicted every single solitary thing that would happen if a cat 345 hit.
	And I'll tell you why.
	If you look, I've said that a hundred times, Katrina's not the worst case.
	You get the 1947 tracking in New Orleans as a category three or four.
	You can't stop it even today with what they've done.
	People don't understand how vulnerable our coasts are.
	And the whole, I mean, when you look at what happened in Florida in the 1940s on the East Coast in the 1950s, it's almost as if there was an atmospheric apocalypse going on with the way hurricanes were just running the coast.
	And they fell away for a while.
	They're coming back now.
	And of course, now we have to counter this agenda that it's because of a magic CO2 dust ferry that's throwing stuff in the air that's making it all happen.
	That's another reason why we love you is because you fight back with facts and information about this global warming, global cooling, climate change hysteria constantly.
	You know why I can't get you started?
	You wasted my whole half hour.
	All I wanted was a quick weather report.
	Look what happened.
	You just stole my half hour.
	It's unbelievable.
	But I mean that in the best way.
	All right, we'll have you back tomorrow at around the same bat time, same bat station.
	And thank you so much for being with us.
	800-941 Sean Joe Bastardi, Weatherbell.com.
	He's just an awesome guy.
	And our thoughts and prayers are with the people down in the Texas area that are going to be impacted by this.
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	It shouldn't surprise you, but the Daily Caller has a piece out today.
	The New York Times is begging Barack Obama to return to the national stage and rescue America from President Trump.
	Anyway, the Times ran an opinion piece arguing Trump's leadership has left the nation in shambles and only Obama, the anointed one, can fix it.
	Well, we'll keep reminding people just how bad it was in the Obama years.
	All right, when we come back, the nation, Bloomberg, Washington Times and others, was it not Russia, but DNC disgruntled Bernie people leaking to Wiki?
	Can you elaborate more on what the DHS's connection with the DNC was or consultation with the DNC was after you became aware of the hacking and they became aware of the hacking as to what was offered them, what they accepted?
	Was there any level of cooperation at all?
	To my disappointment, not to my knowledge, sir.
	And this is a question I asked repeatedly when I first learned of it.
	You know, what are we doing?
	Are we in there?
	Are we helping them discover the vulnerabilities?
	Because this was fresh off the OPM experience.
	And there was a point at which DHS cybersecurity experts did get into OPM and actually helped them discover the bad actors and patch some of the exfiltrations or at least minimize some of the damage.
	And so I was anxious to know whether or not our folks were in there.
	And the response I got was the FBI had spoken to them.
	They don't want our help.
	They have CrowdStrike, the cybersecurity firm.
	And that was the answer I got after I asked the question a number of times over the progression of time.
	Now, that was, I assume, totally different from the reaction you got from OPM.
	The OPM effort, we were actually in there on site helping them find the bad actors.
	Do you know who it was at the DNC who made that decision or who was making resistance?
	No.
	Do you know if the FBI continued to try to help, try to assist?
	I have read in the New York Times about those efforts sometime earlier this year.
	Let me just be very clear.
	At no point during my tenure at the DNC was I contacted by the FBI, DHS, or any government agency or alerted or made aware that they believed that the Russians, an enemy state, was intruding on our network.
	At no point.
	And I am a member of Congress who had the ability to sit down and be briefed in a classified setting.
	Even Director Comey testified publicly that he wished that he had gone to the top of the organization.
	We're one of the two national political parties.
	It is astounding that when they had a member of Congress who was leading that organization, that no one felt it was any more important when we had a foreign enemy intruding on one of the two political parties' networks to do anything more than lob a phone call in to our tech support through our main switchboard.
	But how can both I mean Secretary Johnson says the DNC rebuffed the help that they offered?
	You're saying that no one ever could.
	Respectfully, Secretary Johnson is utterly misinformed.
	That is simply not accurate.
	And much that has been written about the timeline of events by the New York Times, the Washington Post, that document through multiple sources, including me, that the FBI and other federal agencies did virtually nothing to make sure that when they were aware,
	at the point that they were aware that there was or concerned that there was an intrusion on our network by the Russians, that they did virtually nothing to sound the alarm bells to make us aware of that.
	And they left essentially the Russians on our network for more than for almost a year.
	Our source is not the Russian government.
	So in other words, let me be clear.
	Russia did not give you the Podesta documents or anything from the DNC.
	That's correct.
	All right.
	That last one was my interview with Julian Assange, and then you had Jay Johnson, W.B. Wasserman Schultz, Peter King of New York, who's actually a great guy.
	I just think he's a little too liberal lately.
	I give him a hard time when I see him, but he's a good guy.
	I've known him over the years as a congressman from New York.
	Here's what this is all about.
	You see, you have what's called the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity Group.
	It's VIPS for short, okay?
	They have a theory that has been picked up by the nation, by Bloomberg, by the Washington Times and by many others.
	Now, remember, I've interviewed Assange five times, four times on radio, one time on TV.
	I was there last January.
	He keeps arguing that the people, and he'd be the one person on the face of this earth, he knows where the DNC emails came from.
	Why is that important?
	It's important because, okay, why is Mueller doing the investigation?
	What is the investigation supposed to be about?
	Trump-Russia collusion.
	Now, we know it's expanded well beyond that in terms of its scope, and that's what I call investigative creep, and that's a big problem.
	And into finances, and into, you know, at this point, who even knows where this is headed?
	And we don't like the makeup of what's going on with the people that Mueller is appointing.
	And that is eight people that literally donated to Obama and donated to Clinton and donated to Democrats, but not Republicans.
	They don't have any Republican donors.
	Anyway, just to go on.
	Now, what they found is, and the findings by these researchers, as reported by the nation, as reported by Bloomberg, as reported by the Washington Times, is that the forensicator and Adam Center, let me explain what this is, that independent researchers that go by these pseudonyms, Forensicator or Adam Carter, and the former found that 1,976, I guess they call it Milla,
	what's the metabytes, I guess?
	I don't even know what they call these.
	Of Gusepher's files, Gusifer 2.0, were copied from a DNC server on July the 5th in just 87 seconds, implying a transfer rate of 22.6 megabytes per second.
	Or if you convert that to a measure most people use about 180 megabits per second.
	I'm not the most computer-savvy guy in the world.
	And anyway, a speed that is not commonly available from U.S. Internet providers.
	All right, remember, these people work at a whole different level than the rest of us.
	Downloading these files, they argue, this quickly over the internet, especially in a way that most hackers would use, would have been all but impossible because the network infrastructure they conclude, and I'm doing my best here to explain this in layman terms, through which the traffic would have to pass would further slow the traffic.
	However, as the forensicator pointed out, and this is all chronicled in these articles, the files could have been copied to a thumb drive, something only an insider could have done at about that speed.
	Now, this is technical, but it's important.
	Now, this group, this VIPS group, or Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity group, well, they include 32, 34-year veterans of the NSA that have incredible, considerable technical experiences.
	Bill Benny is one of them.
	He's 32, 34 years, the agency's former technical director for World Geopolitical and Military Analysis.
	Serious credentials.
	Edward Loomis Jr., he's the former technical director for the Office of Signals.
	In other words, Signal Intercept Processing, as well as other ex-intelligence officers with equally impressive credentials.
	Now, that doesn't, of course, mean the group is right in terms of the analysis and finding the analysis, on and on and on, but this is a very persuasive and fascinating thing because the implications are grave.
	In other words, if it wasn't the Russians and it was disgruntled DNZ people, that is the consequences of that, the media lying for all this time, conspiracy theories pushed for all this time, and so on and so forth.
	Mueller, why is he even there?
	He should close up shop.
	Now we have reminiscent, this is now reminiscent of Patrick Fitzgerald.
	Another former intelligence professional who examined it, Scott Ritter, pointed out that these findings don't necessarily refute that Gusifer's materials constitute the spoils of a hack.
	Anyway, joining us now with Reaction, Kirk Weeby is with us, former senior analyst.
	He also worked for the NSA and NSA whistleblower, Brian Finch.
	He's the co-chair of cybersecurity practice at Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman.
	Welcome, both of you.
	And I know I'm not really good at describing this.
	How did I do Kirk Weeby?
	Hey, you did a fabulous job, Sean.
	You captured it.
	All right.
	Explain.
	You've read The Nation.
	The Nation was the first I saw that reported it.
	Explain to this audience what this means.
	Well, it simply means that we know relatively little about the entire matter surrounding the removal of DNC emails from the DNC server in the summer of 2016.
	That said, and although a Russian hack of the DNC is not an impossibility, based on the preponderance of available evidence, it is almost certain the DNC event was a leak.
	You think it's a certainty?
	It's almost certain.
	Give me percentages.
	What do you think?
	My mind, about 97%.
	So that would mean everything we've heard about Trump-Russia, Trump-Russia, Trump-Russia, collusion, collusion, collusion is a lie?
	Yeah.
	Well, it's been blown out of proportion.
	If someone would have said a possibility, most of us would have agreed.
	But when they say it is, it is, without any shadow of a doubt, that is flat wrong.
	Absolutely wrong.
	What is your take?
	I mean, we call guys like you, Brian, white hat guys.
	In other words, you go into companies and individuals, and what you do is you basically try and hack them, and you find their vulnerabilities before others do.
	And we know identity theft is so big.
	You know, white hat hackers is what we call you guys.
	But you're the good guy.
	You're trying to help protect companies that they can keep their privacy.
	You've read these articles.
	You've seen their information.
	You know their background, their expertise, and their credentials.
	What are your thoughts?
	Well, I wouldn't call myself the most qualified white-hat hacker in the world if you ask my question.
	Well, you're pretty good at it.
	Listen, you can diminish your credentials all you want, but you are pretty good at this.
	Let's be honest.
	Well, I appreciate that, Sean.
	Thank you.
	I still struggle to get my router to reach my Xbox.
	But I think from a lawyer's perspective, what this evidence or what this indicates is that there are multiple plausible explanations out there with respect to who leaked the emails from the DNC.
	And more importantly, despite what Congresswoman Wasserman Schultz had to say with respect to cooperation with the Federal Bureau of Investigation or the Department of Homeland Security, DNC made this much harder for itself.
	Well, they wouldn't let the FBI even look at their computer systems.
	Now, who says no to the FBI?
	And then we have the issue of this.
	I would advise my clients to do that.
	Whenever we get the opportunity to work with FBI or Secret Service, we welcome them in.
	Because we've got to assume they're the best at what they do, right?
	And that they're.
	Absolutely.
	Plus, there is the fact that at the end of the day, if there's been a criminal activity, they're the ones who are going to prosecute it.
	Here's my next question: we all know what happened when the WikiLeaks reveal came out.
	Now, the next question, logical question, is: do we tie this Kirk Weeby in any way?
	Or would you, in your mind, tie it, or at least be suspicious of what This guy, this, this I.T. specialist and this family that made all this money from Democrats over billing, former McDonald's worker, former car dealer guy, and then government computers and hard drives busted up in his garage.
	Yeah, it gets murky.
	And with the recent uncovering of the guys who were working for Debbie Wasserman Schultz, I mean, all these avenues are opening up.
	None of them are giving us answers.
	What bothers me the most, though, Sean, is that the government could have disclosed evidence by now showing us that our thinking is wrong.
	And it hasn't.
	Do you know in 1983?
	I want you to hold that thought.
	Don't go anywhere because that's an important thing.
	You're saying that the government already knows this part, Russia-Trump collusion.
	You're saying that they already know?
	Yeah, I think they know.
	And they wouldn't tell the American people?
	Well, I think they can't tell the American people.
	And what I want to contrast is President Reagan disclosed the intercept of the KAL shootdown in 1983 on the floor of the United Nations to prove what the Russians did.
	Stay right there.
	We'll take a break.
	Well, we have all those people saying we have no evidence.
	No evidence.
	But the media still went with it.
	All right.
	I don't know the answers to these questions, but when the nation, the Washington Times, Bloomberg, and people with those credentials are saying this, I'm suspicious.
	I want answers.
	The American people deserve the truth, and they deserve answers.
	And asking questions is a good thing for the country.
	All right, as we roll along, Sean Hannity Show 80941, Sean, you want to be a part of the program?
	Brian Finch, Kirk Weeby, is with us.
	All right.
	So 97%, you think it was a DNC disgruntled Bernie person.
	Am I getting that right, Kirk?
	Yeah, that's my belief, Sean.
	And you believe the government probably knows the truth, but they're not telling us.
	Does Donald Trump know the truth?
	Well, let's put it this way: it's either that they won't tell us the truth or they don't have any evidence to support their claim and they don't want to embarrass themselves.
	All right.
	So then the next logical question is: why don't they dig deeper?
	Why don't they get to the truth?
	That is a good question.
	Because I don't know the whole truth.
	All I know is these are really respectable, credentialed people.
	Don't you think Brian Finch?
	I do.
	I absolutely do.
	What did you think when you read it?
	Let me ask that.
	What did you think when you read the nation piece?
	Well, as you mentioned earlier, I mean, I thought it was a remarkable collection of sources here.
	You've got the left with the nation, the right with the Washington Times, and basically the center with Bloomberg here.
	So this is not just some partisan or outlandish conspiracy theory, as you said, it was not earlier.
	It's certainly something that needs to be followed up on.
	And when I read this story about, you know, the possible insider theft of these emails, it's as plausible as anything that's out there.
	I think it deserves equal weight in terms of the investigation.
	And more than anything else, Sean, it just reinforced my personal belief that, look, we know Russia tried to impact the election in some way, shape, or form, but to allege collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government is just more denial on the part of the folks who are anti-Trump.
	I'm running out of time.
	Do you think that the nation really believes they've got this nailed?
	That's why a left-wing publication did this because they're sending a signal to all their friends that have gone out so far on the limb and are wrong.
	Are they trying to say something with this piece?
	I think there's certainly a lot of anger at the Washington Schultz and the way the DNC was run for years and ignored and in their minds really did this turn out to be the biggest media lie ever.
	Boy, there's been a lot of them.
	I put it up there.
	I'd have to sit and think about it.
	This is at the top, though.
	My collection of the collection of lies that have been out there.
	We got to roll.
	I love you both.
	Wish I had more time to the latest breaking news when he hits the air.
	This is the Sean Hannity Show.
	This is not okay, I thought.
	It was incredibly uncomfortable.
	He was literally breathing down my neck.
	My skin crawled.
	Back up, you creep.
	Get away from me.
	My nurse came back to the room, found me with my bloody, swollen lip, and we left immediately and came home.
	He was getting ready and went to the door, and there I sat on the bed, just devastated.
	And he goes to the door, casually puts on his sunglasses, and says, You better get some ice on that.
	She held on to my hand, and she said, Do you understand everything that you do?
	I mean, cold chills went up my spine.
	That's the first time I became afraid of that woman.
	This is not okay, I thought.
	It was incredibly uncomfortable.
	He was literally breathing down my neck.
	My skin crawled.
	Back up, you creep.
	Get away from me.
	She didn't even stand up for the women that knew what her husband did, and she knew what her husband did to those women.
	There's no way that she did not know that.
	This is not okay, I thought.
	It was incredibly uncomfortable.
	He was literally breathing down my neck.
	My skin crawled.
	Back up, you creep.
	Get away from me.
	We will destroy you, is what they said to me.
	Who said?
	My brother said it on behalf of Billy when he was campaigning for him in 1992.
	This is not okay, I thought.
	It was incredibly uncomfortable.
	He was literally breathing down my neck.
	My skin crawled.
	Back up, you creep.
	Get away from me.
	Bill, you're in any danger.
	Not anymore.
	I used to.
	You used to think that you were threatened.
	Yeah, I was.
	I was very scared.
	I was horribly, horribly threatened.
	And people don't know that story.
	This is not okay, I thought.
	It was incredibly uncomfortable.
	He was literally breathing down my neck.
	My skin crawled.
	Back up, you creep.
	Get away from me.
	Did you see what happened to Jennifer Flowers?
	Did you see what was happening to Paula Jones?
	My allegations.
	Yes.
	No, not afraid.
	I just knew what would happen.
	This is not okay, I thought.
	It was incredibly uncomfortable.
	He was literally breathing down my neck.
	My skin crawled.
	Back up, you creep.
	Get away from me.
	If I were to meet her in person, it would be very hard for me not to walk up and smack her.
	I know that sounds mean.
	I mean, she put me through a lot at 12 years old.
	I mean, I had to go look through this window and ID these guys.
	I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic and we should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration.
	All right, that Hillary Clinton's new book and her latest excuse about why she lost.
	It's not the first time she claims that somebody invaded her space, and she said it about Rick Lazio.
	Her new book is called What Happened.
	But of course, the only person not to blame is her.
	She back up, you creep.
	And then the women you heard from Paula Jones and Kathleen Willie and Dolly Kyle and Juanita Broderick.
	Hillary was silent in all of those instances.
	And the very, very severe statements made about her husband.
	And may I add that the Clinton Foundation did take money from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Kuwait and Oman and Qatar and Algeria and Brunei and Saudi Arabia.
	You know, women can't drive and are told how to dress, and gays and lesbians are killed.
	Women can't travel abroad.
	They can't work unless they get permission.
	And gays and lesbians are killed and Christians and Jews persecuted.
	And in the UAE, well, let's see.
	They have a law that states women have a right to work without being held disobedient.
	That's nice.
	And the penal code in the UAE gives men the legal right to discipline their wives and their children, including physical violence.
	And in Kuwait, women have been denied the right to become public prosecutors and judges.
	They don't have the same rights as men to obtain nationality for even their spouses and kids.
	And there's no laws prohibiting domestic violence, sexual harassment, or marital rape.
	And I can go on from there, but I don't want to put Rick Unger in too big a hole.
	Rick Unger joins us of the Steel and Unger show.
	Jonathan Gillum is with us.
	Well, how are you going to wiggle out of this one this week?
	I'm just, you know, I obviously didn't get the memo.
	I thought the election was over and you're still litigating.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	You don't get to dodge by saying the election is over.
	Hillary's release came out yesterday.
	Therefore, it is news when she's saying, oh, during the debate, I said, oh, he is invading my space.
	This is not okay.
	This is not okay.
	It was incredibly uncomfortable.
	He was literally breathing down my name.
	So that brings up issues about whether or not Hillary's, you know, support of those countries and taking their money and all these other women, she remains silent.
	That's quite a leap that it brings up those.
	I don't think so.
	Jonathan, do you think that's a leap?
	I've debated.
	Elite.
	I don't know what that means when he's saying that's elite.
	No, he said it's a leap.
	I have debated often, and I've had men get into my space and turn to them and said, little room, please.
	What does that mean?
	Every time you get near me, I say, can I have some space, please?
	Every time you come near me, I say, back up, you creep.
	You support the United Arab Emirates and all those other places you listed.
	Well, why would you take money from countries that abuse women, kill gays and lesbians, and persecute Christians and Jews?
	I wouldn't take money from them, would you?
	No, I actually wouldn't take money from them.
	So I guess even though Donald Trump might have gotten close to her during a debate, wait a minute, what's worse?
	The way Donald Trump might have gotten close to her during a debate, or the fact that she took money from countries that abuse these groups?
	Gee, we could probably wind that logic out forever if we were to.
	No, I don't really think so, but it's a simple question, Rick.
	I'm going to answer it.
	I don't like that she took money.
	I don't like that the Clinton Foundation took money from those countries and then turned around.
	And I just want a big bet with Linda, because I said you're going to say that got to do with it.
	I said to Linda, Jonathan, I said, Unger's going to dodge duck, and then he's going to say, well, I don't agree with that personally.
	That's what I predicted he'd say it.
	Well, first off, let me say that I feel the exact same way when I first met Rick Unger.
	I was like, come on, you're breathing on me.
	Back up a little bit, Unger.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	Unger's a great guy.
	But seriously, that's one of the good things about Unger is that he does eventually admit what is real.
	But I think, you know, the thing with this Hillary, the whole Hillary Clinton thing, sometimes I wonder if they are just doing these things to remain in the news, to remain because they subscribe to the Sololinsky tactic of just be out there, make noise so that people continue to remember your name, and then when you get a chance to start slamming the enemy, that's what you do.
	And that's this whole Sololinsky tactic.
	Just remain relevant.
	Let me get more cynical with you.
	You know what my analysis is?
	Yeah, I just think that book?
	My analysis, I think the Clintons just went, they just want to get every penny and milk their public positions dry.
	It's like there's nothing they won't do.
	I say, well, that's closer, at least.
	It's so nefarious.
	She wrote that book because she got a ton of money to write the book, like all people who write books.
	Would you ever do an audio book like Hillary?
	I felt he was invading my space.
	I was uncomfortable.
	Would you ever do that?
	So now we're, would I do an audio book?
	Sure, I do an audio book if somebody wanted an audio book from me.
	You wouldn't.
	But I mean, I don't get the reading.
	What can I tell you?
	What can I tell you?
	So she's not a good boy.
	Let me move on to a more serious issue.
	Let me play part of what I did in my monologue last night, and that is, and I've made the prediction last week that the whole issue would have started in Charlottesville.
	It doesn't matter how many times, how many ways.
	Donald Trump says, and he said it in 91 with Larry King, and he said it to Matt Lauer 20 years ago, and he said it all throughout the campaign, and he said it ever since Charlottesville, but it doesn't matter.
	The left wants to bludgeon him politically, and the left wants to portray every conservative Republican and this president as racist.
	For example, this is the president disavowing, denouncing racism, white supremacy for the evil it is.
	What do you see as the biggest problem with the Reform Party right now?
	Well, you've got David Duke just joined.
	A bigot.
	A racist.
	A problem.
	I mean, this is not exactly the people you want in your party.
	I totally disavow the Klu Klux Klan.
	I totally disavow David Duke.
	David Duke announced his Senate candidacy, claiming your agenda for his own, or essentially saying glad that you spoke out.
	Are you ready before you ask the question?
	Newt Gingrich said every Republican should repudiate this guy no matter what it takes.
	And I do.
	Are you ready?
	Rebuked.
	Is that okay?
	Rebuke.
	Rebuke.
	Done.
	Done.
	Okay.
	How do you feel about the recent endorsement from David?
	I didn't even know he endorsed me.
	David Duke endorsed me.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I disavow.
	Okay.
	And I don't mind disavowing anybody, and I disavow David Duke.
	And they heard me very easily disavow David Duke.
	How would you characterize in more words than one David Duke?
	David Duke is a bad person who I disavowed on numerous occasions over the years.
	Just to put it clear, I disavowed him in the past, and I disavow him now.
	I reject David Duke.
	Rejected David Duke.
	I've rejected the KKK, the Klu Klux Klan.
	From the time I'm five years old, I rejected them.
	Mitt Romney says your coddling of repugnant bigotry is not in the character of America.
	Your response.
	Yeah, David Duke and all were disavowed.
	I disavowed him on Friday.
	I disavowed him right after that because I thought if there was any question, and you take a look at Twitter almost immediately after on Twitter and Facebook, they were disavowed again.
	All right, because I'm running out of time, let me just give a quick headline answer from Rick Hunger.
	Then I got to take a break.
	You get the point, I assume.
	Yeah, but you must have a little more time to play the audios where the president, when he wasn't the president yet, told us he had no idea who David Duke was and how it took him all that time to get to the point.
	Wait a minute.
	That's not my interpretation.
	I don't know this guy.
	I mean, that's what he was saying.
	I have no idea who David Duke is.
	You should play the tape.
	You must have.
	I have the tape, but I interpreted it differently than you did.
	Jonathan, how did you interpret it?
	I interpreted it as though he's saying he doesn't know him.
	Not know who he is.
	He doesn't know.
	He doesn't know him.
	And that's the point.
	I guess there weren't enough dings in there for Rick.
	We'll take a for Ring.
	We'll take a quick break, come back and continue.
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	Up next, our final roundup and information overload.
	As we continue, Rick Unger is with us along with Jonathan Gillum.
	And, all right, Rick, I'll give you a chance.
	But, I mean, you know, the media, except for me, I don't know one person in the media that played the president year in, year out, as many times as he has, denouncing white supremacism again and again, and David Duke and the Klan again and again and again.
	I don't know how he could have denounced David Duke all that time because his quote was, I don't know any, honestly, I don't know David Duke, which would speak to your interpretation.
	I don't believe that I have ever met him.
	That could speak to your interpretation.
	I'm pretty sure I didn't meet him.
	And I just don't know anything about him.
	Well, if he doesn't know anything about him, why would he be denouncing him?
	He just knows he's the former Klan white supremacist guy.
	Okay.
	Yes, he will.
	You know what?
	You're making my point, Jonathan.
	And I just know I do.
	I really believe I'm right and you're wrong.
	Shocking.
	Jonathan?
	No, you know, this splitting of hairs that happens on the left is, well, it's in politics in general, but when the president says that he doesn't know David Duke and he doesn't know anything about him, things like that will get spun up by people like Don Lemon, CNN, where they just go crazy on this sound bike.
	And people really have to stop looking at these sound bites because what you just played was a montage of disvowing, telling people that he understands who he is, but he doesn't know him.
	And people don't take the full content.
	And we're stuck on these sound bites in this country by.
	Well, that's the point.
	I played 50 things, and Rick goes to one thing that can be interpreted both ways.
	And it's so fundamentally unfair.
	And this is what happens every two and four years.
	We just listened to an entire three minutes of soundbite.
	And I've got more.
	We didn't finish it.
	I'm sure you do.
	And now, Jonathan's saying we're splitting hairs by actually listening to something the president said.
	Don't do that.
	What?
	That's splitting hairs.
	You're judging off of one single soundbite when there's tons of them.
	Do you think the president's racist bring Rick Unger?
	Do you think the president's racist?
	Actually, I don't because I've never met the president.
	I think the president has been a little too supportive of people I do think are racist.
	Oh, good.
	How has he been supportive of racist?
	I think you'd have to.
	I mean, because he says I want to vet people and build.
	Do you think saying you want to vet people and build the wall is racist?
	No, that wasn't what was in my head at all, actually.
	I never know.
	Nobody could ever figure out what's in that head of yours.
	No, it's very difficult.
	But no, I would, you know, it's hard for me to accuse somebody of being a racist.
	How many more times does he need to disavow to make the left, you know, realize that he's not?
	And how many times does he need to say they're evil and repugnant and disgusting?
	Well, you know what?
	Sean, it's a good idea.
	And he did praise the protesters of Boston, peaceful protesters.
	It's not just a concern of the left.
	You know, you might have been able to say that a month ago.
	I don't think you can say that anymore.
	The Never Trumpers are Trumpers have always been out there just waiting to say, see, we were right.
	But then there are those very rational, reasonable people throughout America.
	They don't identify as left or right, and they don't like what they heard and saw either.
	But he said he didn't like what he saw.
	He said it again and again.
	That's my only point, and nobody in the media plays it.
	But all right, I got a roll.
	Rick Unger, thank you as always, Jonathan Gillum.
	When we come back, we got a really powerful debate.
	You don't want to miss this.
	We're going to check in with Spencer Tillman and also our friend Dan Bongino.
	Why did he SBN take Robert Lee off the air?
	800-941-Sean is on number.
	We'll continue.
	So, you know, I love sports.
	My only regret this weekend, and I really, really would love to go see Mayweather and McGregor.
	You know, I'm a big MMA fan, and you can't be an MMA fan and not be interested in how this all plays out because 90% of what McGregor does, all of his martial arts are off the table.
	All of his kicks are off the table.
	All of his submission holds are off the table.
	But with that said, you just have a little bit, and there's nobody better in boxing, as evidenced by Mayweather's record of avoiding getting hit.
	I mean, you know, I love and admire his success, but I wish he'd get in there and fight a little harder and a little more.
	And, you know, to his credit, he's a smart boxer.
	Anyway, so I wish I could do that.
	I'm a big sports fan here.
	So there is this ESPN play-by-play guy, Robert Lee.
	And I mentioned this yesterday.
	I am just amazed at sports broadcasters.
	I wish I could do what they do.
	I can't.
	And I mentioned, for example, the NHL.
	If you watch NHL Networks, if you watch NBC Sports, and they've got every NHL night rivalry night on the NHL, and you just listen to, you know, this guy, Emmerich, who's the broadcaster, he's so amazing.
	I'm like, how does he possibly do this?
	On the drive from Great Discord.
	Just went to the outside.
	From it from the stars.
	Lost it, poked away by Marchaunt.
	Dances to the outside, takes his own pass.
	March on the long and front.
	He's gone.
	Now you can just hear, and it doesn't matter in the case of, it's sort of like radio broadcasting, although he's on television, Doc Emmerich.
	I'm just, it's really hard to follow hockey play by play like that.
	And he does it so well.
	Anyway, I was very aware of who Robert Lee was, and he was scheduled to do the UVA home opener.
	And then the USPN president decided to send out a memo, and they had had a meeting, and they decided because his name is Robert Lee, he happens to be an Asian American.
	It shouldn't matter.
	He's a great broadcaster.
	The guy's amazing.
	And they said, well, because your name is Robert Lee and we have the monument issue and we're debating whether or not to take in.
	Of course, they're talking about Robert E. Lee.
	Well, we're going to put you on a different broadcast.
	And I'm like, this is the single dumbest thing I think I've ever heard in my life.
	And just listen to what a great broadcaster Robert Lee is.
	Robert Lee, Nate Ross, back with you.
	Asheville controlled that first half led for about 15 and a half minutes.
	Have matched their biggest lead, six points here at halftime, led as always by Ahmad Thomas.
	12 points in 12 minutes.
	Final five and a half seconds.
	They get in for Teague.
	He starts up the court with three.
	Teague trying to get the shot away.
	He will.
	He'll hit it.
	Neceo Teague sends it to overtime.
	A steal.
	Teague ahead for Thomas.
	Pull him home.
	Winfoot timeout.
	A 6-0 in the game.
	First and 10 from the 35.
	Pump fake.
	Throw wide open.
	You open it for a touchdown.
	Brad.
	And here is all.
	I grew up loving the radio.
	My parents, it wasn't shut off the TV.
	It was turn the radio off.
	And I was up late at night and I'd listen to the radio.
	It drove my parents nuts.
	They'd try to steal my radio and I'd find another one.
	And he's, could you imagine?
	All of that is extemporaneous.
	You got to know the players.
	You got to know the names.
	You got to go to the 25, the 20, the 15, the 10, you know, touchdown and make it exciting.
	And they do.
	It is one of the most gifted, incredible skills.
	To do this is insanity.
	Anyway, here to get some opinion on it.
	My good friend Spencer Tillman.
	He's the lead studio analyst for college football today, CBS Television Network pregame, halftime studio show.
	Former running back, by the way, eight seasons with the Houston Oilers at the time and San Francisco 49ers.
	Dan Bongino is with us, former Secret Service agent, NYPD, also contributing editor of Conservative Review.
	Welcome both of you back to the program.
	Thanks, Spencer.
	You know my love of sports, and I don't know if you've always known my love of sports broadcasters, but I'm fascinated with them because I can't do what they do.
	Yeah, you do.
	You do it every single day.
	No, not what they do.
	I don't have to identify everybody's name and be able to pronounce it right.
	Yeah, but you say what you see.
	Nobody is so deaf with understanding the names of politicians that are the movers that are taken in this business.
	It's not the same.
	You're being a friend.
	It's not the same, Spencer.
	It's much different.
	It's harder.
	It's real time.
	It's faster.
	No question about it.
	It's faster.
	It takes, yeah, no question.
	It's a skill.
	Look, you have this skill.
	You're an amazing broadcaster.
	And Dan Bongino.
	He's filled on this program.
	He's an amazing broadcaster.
	And I'm looking, and you knew who Robert Lee was before this.
	I knew who Robert Lee was before this.
	Maybe a lot of people didn't.
	I don't know.
	I think he's pretty popular, actually.
	And, you know, and then they pull this move.
	What was your reaction, Spencer?
	Well, listen, I never, I try to refrain from commenting on what other networks do at the bottom because it's just courtesy more than anything else.
	But generally, it is an overreaction to society.
	You know, we're so politically correct.
	And I get frustrated because we're not tackling the real issues.
	We're dealing with these ghosts and perceptions of what are the real issues.
	And so I'm disappointed in any network, anyone, any leader, any administrator that would make that call, whether it happened at the regional level or the network level, as we're learning in these days after the event.
	It doesn't really matter.
	The sentiment, if you're in charge of a responsibility of making those kinds of choices at any level, you've got to have a worldview.
	You got to have a sense of history and understand what matters.
	And that has to filter in your choices that you make.
	So I'm disappointed that the people who are responsible for being the pathway or the conduit through which we see such an important aspect of our community that is sport through our daily lives.
	I'm disappointed that they didn't exercise better judgment in that regard.
	But it doesn't.
	You are so diplomatic and so nice, which goes to the listen.
	If anybody that knows you, that's who you are.
	I get it.
	And you're just a nice person.
	You know who one of my favorite sports, opinionated sports commentators is, and he's a good friend of this program and of mine.
	And I'm jealous because he's going to be at the Mayweather McGregor fight.
	He's covering it, is Stephen A.
	And I just worry that Stephen A, one day, because ESPN is so quick to fire, somebody says something controversial.
	Oh, my gosh, gee, whiz, we can't.
	It's like if we feign this outrage when people give strong opinions, and I'm like, I love strong opinions.
	Bring it on.
	Let's hear it.
	Let's have a solid debate about it.
	My opinion is this.
	It's like Bill Walsh used to tell us when I was with the 49ers, complexity and preparation, simplicity and execution.
	You've got to spend a lot of time knowing your history, knowing the games, as the case may be.
	We're talking about sportscasters, controversial issues.
	You better do a deep dive before you make that kind of choice and that decision.
	That's all I'm saying.
	I'm disappointed that they didn't do a deeper dive.
	That was a superficial knee-jerk reaction response to a situation.
	If we keep Spencer on long enough, he's going to open up.
	And he's opening up now, and it's coming flying out.
	Let me go to my buddy Dan Bongino here.
	And I guess it also raises issues of Colin Kaepernick.
	We'll get to in a second, but what is your take, Dan?
	Yes, Spencer is, he's a gentleman.
	I really admire his restraint.
	Unfortunately, I don't have that kind of control.
	No, if we keep him on an hour, it'll be flying off the handle.
	It's going to be great in an hour.
	If you put two beers, you give him two beers, it's even going to be greater.
	That's right.
	Get those inhibitions down.
	No, listen, this is peak liberal craziness.
	I mean, we've reached peak.
	It's Saturday.
	Sean, I swear on my life, when I saw this story, I was watching Fox and it came up on my life.
	I thought it was a joke.
	I thought Tucker said something like a story about a fake Trump tears thing.
	And I thought, I said to my wife, Paul, I go, Paulo, this is so funny.
	Listen to this stupid story.
	They kicked an Asian broadcaster off because he shares the name of the Confederate general.
	And my wife goes, Dad, this is true.
	Like, this is, I'm just, I'm not.
	I didn't know.
	You can't believe it.
	You know, it's funny because you and I have.
	There's so much fake news out there.
	There's a story that I spent at a Trump hotel, like $42,000 or $7,000, and I made them fly in a 70-year-old lobster.
	And another story that said, I died in a bicycle accident.
	And I'm like, where does this crap come from?
	I don't blame you for thinking it's fake news.
	No, when your livelihood is what we do, which is picking apart liberal silliness, even us, we were like, no, come on, this can't be.
	I know.
	It just goes to show you this one.
	Here's the takeaway: that liberals have America believing right now that a fringe portion of America, not all Democrats, but literally the fringe left of the far left, that that is a position widely held.
	And that is what scared ESPN to the point where they removed an Asian American broadcaster for fear of associating him with a Confederate general dead more than 100 years.
	It is literally insanity.
	Like insane.
	Crazy.
	All right, guys, I hate to stop any good debate.
	Stay right there.
	We'll continue.
	All right, as we continue Sean Hannity's show, we continue with Spencer Tillman and Dan Bongino.
	Let me throw this at you.
	And I am a huge free speech advocate.
	And Colin Kaepernick, he was one of, he was on track.
	He had a trajectory, I thought, to be one of the best quarterbacks from the NFL ever.
	I mean, his arm is phenomenal.
	And I watched this whole thing unfold last year, and he has every right.
	And frankly, I respect that.
	He knows he's going against a lot of people's beliefs, and he's standing out there on his own, and he knows the consequences, and he's willing to stand up for what he believes in.
	I have no problem with that at all.
	But then when teams don't want to hire him, you know, I understand their decision as well.
	Thoughts?
	Yeah, well, the NFL is a private organization, right?
	It's private ownership.
	It has the league that has its face and represents it.
	But those individual 32 teams can do whatever they want to do.
	I remember famously, it was Vince Lombardi who was concerned about some things that were happening in Green Bay.
	It was one of the major establishments at the time that would not allow African-American players to stay at the hotel.
	And Vince Lombardi went over and had a conversation with the man.
	He said, hey, look, I will die for the right for you to do what you want to do with respect to who stays in your hotel.
	However, I will also exercise the right for anyone within the Green Bay Packer organization not to patronize your place.
	And he did that with the same type of respect, but he did it with respect and discipline.
	What I think Colin Kaepernick's problem was.
	Didn't the L.A. Dodgers, didn't the Dodgers, sorry, the Dodgers do that?
	Not L.A. at the time.
	Didn't the Dodgers also do that with Jackie Robinson?
	Absolutely.
	And see, those types of statements, however, even though it was an internal one and it was obviously happening during the time we didn't have Twitter and it couldn't have gotten blown up the way that this story does here today, what it speaks to is the respect and an awareness.
	Vince Lombardi literally went there.
	I just think the optics of Colin's efforts were wrong from the beginning.
	And then I'm going to be difficult here and speak what most people don't speak.
	Today, culturally, if you've got a big Afro, most people, black or white, aren't mature enough to look past the image and impression of what that represents.
	And they will take a snapshot of it.
	And then it becomes representative of what they believe you're really all about.
	Even though your message may be pure, it may be just, it may be right.
	The optics just do not look right.
	But, Spencer, is it the optics?
	Because I actually think the 90 whatever percent, I can't put a percentage on it.
	I think are good people that judge their fellow man as created by the same God and by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.
	Now, yeah, they're an ignorant, bigoted, racist, hateful, evil white supremacist.
	There are evil people in this world, but I don't think people look at Kaepernick from a visual standpoint and say they're against Kaepernick.
	I think he was well loved and idolized and adored by fans.
	I think it's position more than looks, no?
	Well, there's the thing that we don't know.
	In a private room without consequence, how many people would object to that or maybe show a sense?
	Look, our last election is a classic case of it.
	The moral majority actually didn't speak loud enough during the race.
	Everyone thought, the pundits thought, even many conservatives thought that Donald Trump had no way of winning that.
	That's the part that you don't know.
	But again, it's in that private room without consequence.
	Then when it happens, and then the actions define it, then we know what people perhaps were thinking, or at least we can make that assumption.
	Yeah, let me get Dan's reaction to that.
	Dan.
	Yeah, well, Sean, I don't have any respect for Colin Kaepernick at all, and I have no problem saying that.
	And I don't think this is a principled stand either.
	Is it about looks?
	Is it about what he does on the field and his stand he's taken?
	Listen, I couldn't care any less about what the guy looks like.
	You want to take a principled stand, get your butt off the bench, get off your knees, and go volunteer in a soup kitchen and donate tens of millions of dollars to some cause that matters to you.
	You know, Sean, listen, people go after you, and this isn't some like stupid butt-kissing moment, but I know what you do behind the scenes for the vets because it matters to you.
	You want to take a principled stand, get off your ass, and get out there and go do something and donate your money, you joker.
	Because by him doing this and disrespecting the country and smacking everybody in the face like the clown he is, you know what he's doing?
	He's taking down the NFL and all those other hardworking people with him.
	Guys who really need this job.
	Not everybody in the NFL is a multi-billionaire.
	He's a disgrace.
	And this is what you're spiritual Americans.
	Let me just say this: I disagree 100% where you're coming from.
	I think he's not a clown.
	I think he's a thinking young man.
	He has made some optical moves that were not the best.
	He is getting good counsel from people like Dr. Harry Edwards and others that understand history.
	The guy is actually trying to make a principle statement about something that is a very real dissent that we've not dealt with in this nation.
	About what?
	Spencer, what is he making?
	Let me explain to you.
	If you'll be quiet for a minute, I'll explain to you.
	The historic marginalization of African Americans in this nation is a matter of record, and we do not acknowledge it to the extent that it manifests itself in all of the areas, employment.
	Historically, it is clear that we have a problem in this nation.
	And unfortunately, people like Colin Kaepernick don't present it in a way that we need to address it in an effective manner.
	The optics are getting in the way of what he's trying to communicate.
	So I'm not in this.
	Spencer, when you speak out for communist regimes like he does, he's a clown.
	I'm sorry.
	I have no respect for the guy.
	You have no idea.
	I've not heard him speak out for communist regimes.
	I heard him speak out for communist reason.
	Listen to this show one time and you're hanitized.
	Sean Hannity is back on the radio.
	All right, as we continue Sean Hannity show, we continue with our friend Spencer Tillman, Dan Bongino with us.
	They were discussing Colin Kopernick, and Dan was pretty adamant in expressing his thoughts that he's a clown and Spencer's taken issue with it.
	Dan, I'll let you finish your thought and we'll let Spencer respond.
	Well, listen, the guy wears socks that depicted cops as pigs.
	What kind of principal is that?
	Is this guy serious?
	I mean, burglars would break into his house tomorrow and steal his stuff if it wasn't for a men and women in blue.
	He's a joke.
	The guy's a total farce.
	I mean, comparing him to anyone with principles who's actually fought the good fight is embarrassing.
	I'm serious.
	I have zero respect for him.
	And the fact that he's destroying the NFL, really, the people in the NFL should be really, really upset.
	Get this guy off the side.
	If you want to disrespect me at them, do it in a locker room.
	If he had that kind of power to destroy the NFL, believe me, he wouldn't be alive right now.
	I don't think that would be the case.
	Again, the socks, that's part of the optics.
	At 27, 28.
	By the way, I want to help my friend Spencer out.
	He wouldn't be alive right now.
	This is called a talk show.
	That is called hyperbole.
	It doesn't mean physically harming somebody by anybody in the NFL that would ever do that because Colin Kaepernick spoke out on his personal beliefs.
	Go ahead.
	Well, yeah, I mean, again, ultimately, what it amounts to is those are, again, gets back to the original comment about optics.
	The optics of the situation is what it is.
	He's a young man that made poor decisions.
	He's since got some counsel about that.
	That's the disappointing thing about all of this.
	The real issues are not being addressed here.
	We're dealing with the hyperbolic parts of it and the easily exportable parts, the symbolic parts, pigs, socks with pigs on it, the afro.
	All of that stuff paints a picture in the narrative, and it gives someone an opinion about someone.
	What is the more is it that he's taken the knee?
	Is it the socks more than whatever?
	I think it is people that are offended because the blanket statement that he's disrespecting the flag.
	And I think this, listen, if you read the, go read.
	Do you think he is when he does that?
	Do you think he is disrespecting the flag?
	Sean, you're a bright man, and you know I love and respect you.
	Go read and listen to the second stanza of the lyrics that Spancer Scott Keat wrote.
	If you read that narrative, which we never sing, by the way, you'll understand exactly why people who are educated, white and black, understand, at least to a larger degree, the plight of people like Colin Kaepernick.
	When you look at the lyrics, just go read the lyrics.
	I encourage your listeners to go read the lyrics.
	We know it by heart.
	Everybody knows it.
	But everybody doesn't know it, Sean.
	Everybody doesn't know it.
	You know the first stanza, but read the entire lyrics from the second stanza.
	That's only a portion.
	Read the entire song.
	And when you put it in that context, people that function with a sense and awareness of history.
	No, listen, this is an incredible conversation.
	I mean, I don't know how else do you accept the symbolism of wearing Castro or killer communist on your t-shirt and pigs as cops on your socks.
	I mean, listen, with all due respect, Spencer, the guy's a joke.
	What symbolism?
	I didn't understand.
	Is there an alternate way to interpret a cop depicted as a pig on someone's like, like, what's the alternate way?
	Like, I don't get it.
	There's only one way to interpret that.
	That's to be a childish, immature jerk and to insult people who, by the way, make a 1 1000th of what this joker jerk makes on the sideline, go to work every day and put their cabooses on the line so people like Kaepernick can live in these multi-million dollar homes.
	And you put socks on, but are you a funny guy?
	What is he, a comedian?
	You're a quarterback.
	Get on the field, you clown.
	Play the football.
	By the way, Linda has that second stanza.
	Linda, go ahead, read it.
	I didn't know it by memory.
	I don't know if any of you did.
	It's just a part here where it's like, no, no, I don't think so.
	Anne and Spencer are really mad now that you won't say it, but go ahead.
	I think Spencer's just happy that someone's going to validate this because nobody knows about this stanza.
	And so that this will give a little fuel to the fodder.
	But it talks about, it's actually a third stanza, and it's decrying former slaves that were working for the British Army.
	And it says, their blood is washed out, their foul footsteps, pollution.
	No refuge could save the hireling and slave from the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave.
	And the star-spangled banner and triumph doth wave o'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
	So it's basically minimizing the black soldier as well as talking about the fact that he's an underling.
	Yeah, so again, understand when people put their hand up to the heart and they sing the star-spangled banner, there is another narrative that Francis Scott Key scripted and wrote to that.
	We don't think about it.
	Like much of history, most people are going on autopilot and entropy sets in.
	The further we get away from the truth of history, our knowledge and understanding.
	Well, let me ask this question.
	I could put you guys on for three hours one day, and I think this would be a really worthwhile conversation for the country.
	And it's a tribute to both of you.
	But do you agree with me that most, the majority, the overwhelming majority, Spencer, view racism as evil, which it is repugnant and disgusting?
	Absolutely, Sean.
	Listen, civil societies exist because the majority of people choose to obey the law.
	If that was not the case, we would not elected a Barack Obama.
	I am an optimist in the strictest sense of the definition.
	However, we cannot have this convenient attitude about when people have misgivings about history and when we begin to voice them.
	Privileged groups, I don't care if it's white, black, green, yellow clubs, whatever the organization.
	Reinhold Niebuhr wrote this in his book, Moral Man, Immoral Society.
	Privileged groups rarely give up or share privilege without great and strong resistance.
	That's all I'm saying.
	And what we feel and what we see in the neo-Nazi reaction to this nonviolent act in Charlottesville is part of that resistance.
	It is a small faction, but unfortunately they have a large voice and the inherent nature of what we are in our culture.
	I don't even think it's a loud voice.
	I think they are a tiny, tiny insane.
	Yeah, but most people see them as insane.
	I mean, you do know that.
	By the way, don't you see, when I praised the Boston protesters on Monday, what I said was there is a natural instinctive revulsion at people that want to associate themselves with that type of hatred.
	And the fact that 99% of them went out there and stood up, we ought to applaud them all because they did it.
	They did it peacefully.
	And the few little agitators that were there, the police handled perfectly.
	I thought it was a strong stand.
	And every conservative, Dan Bongino, that I know, you know, absolutely, I don't know these people who they are.
	Would I ever want to know them?
	And it's not the conservative movement.
	Where I go sideways with people is when they try and brand falsely conservative as every two, four years, we get the same crap, the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, islamophobic.
	And you've dealt with it in your career.
	You know, Sean, I was listening to your show after that dreadful shooting of Steve Scalise.
	And, you know, I have my own little thing I put on.
	And you and I were both absolutely unequivocal and crystal clear on this point.
	For as much as we can't stand Bernie Sanders' ideological views, he was in no way responsible for the acts of a deranged.
	Not at all.
	And I said it at the time.
	You said it a thousand times on the show because I listened that day, I listened the next day, and I heard you say it.
	And every conservative out there with credibility said the same thing.
	But what happened with these lunatics, this guy in Charlottesville, some maniac who has absolutely nothing to do with pure conservative values and the respect for God-given big R rights, kills a woman tragically, horrifically, and all of a sudden every conservative in the country is supposed to apologize?
	Are you insane?
	Like, condemn?
	Absolutely, of course.
	But apologize.
	For what?
	We have nothing to do with these neo-Nazi maniacs.
	The Republican Party is the party that fought Jim Crow, that fought slavery, that fought for big R rights.
	Do people forget this?
	I mean, you want to talk about history, Spencer?
	That's real history.
	The real history of freedom and liberty is the history of the Republican Party.
	It has nothing to do whatsoever with Democrats and their tendency to pin every single act of them about Spencer.
	You can bail out because I know this, you don't do a lot of politics.
	And this is the thing that frustrated me on the whole thing is, you know, I went back to 1991 and I have a tape of Donald Trump condemning Duke and racism and white supremacy and him saying it to Matt Lauer 20 years ago and him saying it all throughout the campaign and him saying it all throughout Charlottesville.
	And also knowing the man and knowing his business and knowing the people he associates with and knowing the people that he brought into his campaign.
	I know it all of all races, creeds, colors, and backgrounds.
	I'll finish this one thought.
	And the only thing I'm going to say is the media would never tell that part of the story.
	And they'd never tell the part of the story where Hillary Clinton just seven years ago was praising a guy that was a former Klansman and claimed that he was one of the greats of all time in politics and her mentor.
	And J. William Fulbright, well, Bill Clinton praised him as his mentor.
	And he signed on to the Southern Manifesto.
	And you keep saying that we need to know our history.
	Well, I wouldn't be praising somebody that signed on to the Southern Manifesto to go against the Supreme Court and their decision on Brown versus Board of Education.
	And the segregationist, J. William Fulbright, like Robert Byrd, were against the Civil Rights Act of 64 and the Voting Rights Act of 65.
	And Lyndon Johnson, to get those historic bills passed, relied on the Republicans to get it done, not the Democrats, and not the people the Clintons praise.
	Yeah, and the reason why those types of things happen is because everything moves toward decay.
	Listen, if you go to Europe right now, I guarantee you you will not find a high school with Hitler's name on the side of it, right?
	Why is that?
	There is a part of the country that believes, the continent that believes and understands the travesty that that represented.
	And to think that someone at any point in time in history would subsequently come back and name a school after someone that was responsible for so much is reprehensible.
	In a similar way.
	So 57, wait a minute.
	There are 57 highways, schools, monuments, including the West Virginia State House in West Virginia, that praise Robert Byrd, the former Klansman.
	Should they be taken down?
	Here's what I'm saying.
	The consciousness should be re-examined for why they were there in the first place.
	I mean, that's the kind of thinking that needs to go into any decisions that are made.
	We need to go back and look at all traditions and examine them.
	And if they fail in providing definitive enough support that they support what America stands for, they should always be re-examined.
	And yes, in light of new information, people are reintroduced into the legal system all the time.
	It's not new.
	We've always known that Byrd was a former Klansman.
	We always knew J. William Fulbright was against the Southern Manifesto.
	So you answered your own question.
	That should be an indictment to anybody that did it.
	Anybody that authorized that, that should be brought.
	But I guess what I'm saying, Spencer, is I'm talking about the double standard because they have ignored Trump's history, and they are trying to bludgeon him that he didn't say it enough times the right way.
	And meanwhile, there's this history over the course of his life where he has.
	There's also the Clintons' history, where they have praised people that did support the Southern Manifesto, that did even filibuster the Civil Rights Act in the case of Byrd.
	Al Gore's father was one of them, voted against it.
	And the history is the Republicans supported it.
	And they were never bludgeoned the way Donald Trump is getting bludgeoned.
	Look, I'm not trying to drag you deep into politics.
	You're a friend, and I— No, that's okay.
	Listen, stay out of that.
	Sean, what I will do is talk about human nature.
	And the fact of the matter is very is yes, it is good and evil, and it is yet very predictable.
	This is all part of a struggle that must be.
	Time does a number on all of us.
	There was a time when Muhammad Ali was reviled.
	They sent him to jail for his beliefs and what he stood up for.
	And I cannot think of a more iconic figure than to see him with that cauldron in his hand trembling from Parkinson's at that point.
	Was there a more popular person in the world than Muhammad Ali?
	What he did then was no different and no less unjust now than what he did.
	And through the, listen, I'll say this: through the prism of history, 58,000 American heroes and America's treasure died in a war that became politicized.
	And we can't ask these brave men and women to do that ever again.
	All right, I want to get a response from Dan Bongino.
	You know, Sean, the problem with this is this is a very slippery slope.
	Spencer makes a good point.
	You know, listen, there are obviously still a lot of open wounds about what happened in our history of country with race, which is always going to be trouble.
	The problem I have with this is this was a problem all over the world.
	We were the one country on earth that, as you accurately stated, forfeited hundreds of thousands of lives to wipe the stain of slavery clean.
	Now, if we're going to start wiping down monuments and taking down monuments, where does it end?
	I mean, where does, are we basing it on what?
	A level of imperfection?
	What level of imperfection?
	If it offends one group, what if it offends another group?
	I mean, listen, what about statues of FDR?
	I mean, he was responsible for the interment of Japanese during World War II.
	Do we take that down?
	The problem I have with this is the slippery slope never ends.
	It's times you acknowledge our history.
	It's not sanitized.
	It's not perfect.
	It's not clean.
	Sometimes it was ugly, but we are still the greatest and most prosperous country on earth.
	We should acknowledge the history, acknowledge our imperfections, and move on and stop catering to liberal snowflakes' feelings about everything.
	And Sean, if this was such a big deal, by the way, why was it?
	Let me get a quick response.
	Then I got to take a break.
	Spencer.
	I agree with Dan, what he just said.
	We cannot have knee-jerk reactions to the program.
	No, no, no.
	You can't agree because you're ruining my program.
	I mean, just stop.
	I mean, this is ridiculous.
	This is what I disagree with.
	The focus should be on education.
	Only after people understand the truth can we make a conscious choice and decisions about what's going to the nation.
	But you know something?
	Look at the mysterious reluctance and resistance, especially, and this becomes political for me because conservatives have been saying, let local municipalities, towns, and cities decide.
	Let the states decide because they're going to have an active role.
	Thank you, Spencer Tillman.
	Thank you, Dan Bongino.
	Love you both.
	And I'll have you back.
	This was a great hour, and I think an enlightening one.
	We appreciate it.
	You got your bad.
	Take care.
	Take care.
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	That's going to wrap things up for today.
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