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Uh it was a mistake to have a personal account.
I would certainly not do it again.
I make no excuses for it.
I it was something that should not have been done.
But the real question is the handling of classified material, which is I think what the implication of your question was.
And for all the viewers watching you tonight, I have a lot of experience dealing with classified material, starting when I was on the Senate Armed Services Committee going into the four years of Secretary of State.
Classified material has a header which says top secret, secret, confidential.
Nothing.
And I would I will repeat this, and this is verified in the report by the Department of Justice.
None of the emails sent or received by me had such a header.
All right.
We now all know that that was the latest incarnation of a lie that Hillary has been telling about classified information on our email server.
You know, this is as Andy McCarthy put out today, no classified information does not always come with a header.
And Hillary knows it.
So she thoroughly has been discredited with the whole, well, I never sent a received classified information.
I never sent a receive anything more classified, and now she says it doesn't have a header.
Well, this arose last night during this big debate, and it raises a lot of questions about Hillary's emails, what has been discovered, what is yet to be discovered.
And joining us right now is uh somebody that probably knows more about this than anybody else in the world, and that's Julian Assange.
He is the founder and the editor in chief of WikiLeaks, he's an Australian computer programmer.
And uh how are you, sir?
Welcome to the uh radio program.
I'm good, thank you.
I appreciate you being here.
All right, let me first start with well let's go back to the beginning.
Because for ten consecutive years, you have never gotten anything wrong that I can find, and you stand proudly on that statement.
Is that true?
It is true.
It's uh it's an enormous reputation to try and keep up.
Uh and that's why By the way, I've gotten things wrong, and I have to apologize and correct a lot of people in the media don't like to do that, Julian.
Well, uh unf unfortunately we've been quite successful in never having got it wrong.
So that's why we have to spend time uh betting our material before we publish it to keep that perfect reputation.
Now, I've got to be perfectly frank and blunt with you.
At one point when the whole WikiLeaks story and what it was was being revealed, I was as an American citizen.
I gotta be honest, very nervous and I was very critical of you, and even at one point thought that you were waging war against the United States.
And I that's how I felt at the time.
And I also worried, Julian, that all right, where does this hacking end as a big believer in privacy?
I'm thinking, all right, there's no end to this.
This is gonna go after every American citizen, every single person, every text, every email, and you know, as somebody that believes in the right to privacy for especially for individuals, I was concerned.
What I didn't factor in at the time, and I will admit my mistake, is that I think you have done the United States of America and the world a great service, and let me tell you why.
I think number one, you showed a vulnerability that as a country we needed to know about.
You told me the other night it was simple for you to break in and get American records.
Is that true?
Well, not for me.
Uh in in in general, uh computer security is incredibly weak.
Right.
So for all for all sorts of you know organized crime, other states, teenagers in their bedroom, sure.
So I think on that level, I think making the United States of America aware of that vulnerability is a really good thing.
Because now hopefully they can hire the right people and fix it.
Would you agree with that?
Yeah, but if we if we go back a bit, there was a lot of false statements.
You know, we've published most most famously, we've published a lot of things from a lot of countries over the last uh decade that have put guilty people in prison, uh released innocent people from prison, uh led to international settlement settlements, including against the largest ever international settlement against Russia in the UKOS case.
So, yeah, we published serious things.
But under the Obama administration, when we published Hillary Clinton's cables, her reaction, because it was very embarrassing that she didn't protect them, was to try and kill the messenger.
And as part of that, they launched a PR campaign to try and suggest that our publications had caused people to come to harm US soldiers and others that's false.
In fact the Pentagon had to admit under oath in two thousand thirteen that they could not find a single person who had been physically harmed by our publications.
So but that false messaging you know was assumed because it came from the government to be true at the time and of course a lot of people were understandably angry in the United States but that was false and they had to admit under oath that it was false.
You see this is where I think that my thinking and and over time number one you made America aware of a great vulnerability and that is that if we don't have cybersecurity, America doesn't have secrets.
And I think that any country in the in a day and age of ISIS and radical Islamists and those that would bring harm to innocent men, women and children anywhere around the globe, I think that's enormously important, especially from a national security standpoint.
And I think the other thing that has had a pr pretty profound impact on me, and you mentioned a number of examples where WikiLeaks has literally led to truth I think you exposed a level a deep level of lying of uh of a corrupt government deeper than even me as a staunch critic of government was kind of shocked by that make sense.
So in that sense, I think you have done the American public a service.
Well, that's the purpose of our organization, is to try and bring the truth to the public, which is otherwise suppressed, either because of media bias.
And we've seen a lot of that in this election, where actually a lot of the Democrat-aligned media, like MSNBC, Politico, Washington Post, we exposed as acting against journalistic ethics and taking marching orders from the DNC, checking, in the case of Politico, their copy with the DNC before even their own editors managed to see it.
So unfortunately, there has to be a place where whistleblowers, consultants, and yes, even computer hackers who care about the truth, have a place to publish it, which is verified where people can...
can trust what's published because we put our entire reputation on the line to make sure it is trusted.
The thing that I asked you the other night that also had a a pretty profound impact on me is I asked you, okay you you obviously have the ability to hack into government records around the world uh would you ever use it against individuals and you're you are an emphatic no that's not the purpose of your organization it's it's not the purpose of our organization but also we're just we're not interested.
We don't hack we're a publisher.
We encourage whistleblowers to come forward by campaigning for them by co-founding the Courage uh foundation which supports whistleblowers um yeah and showing that when people publish with us they have a big impact if you look at the DNC publications there had been some other publications by uh the Hill, which is not a bad publication for Washington DC, Gorka and so on, documents from the DNC, PDFs.
Uh but they had no impact.
Uh but when we published the DNC emails, there was enormous impact.
The top five people the DNC had to resign, including the President Des Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and that's because uh on A, we're really trusted by the public and by journalists.
Uh and B we have a philosophy of making our material available to the people equally so they can check that what it is claimed to say, it really does say, they can find what's been buried by the press or missed by the press either just by accident or lack of resources or because of political bias.
You know, um it's interesting because I know that a lot of people say, well Hannity you changed your views on Julian Assange and I'm just looking at this very objectively.
These are the same people that you know they know I don't want Hillary Clinton to be the next president.
That's a fair and true statement and I would certainly understand people could jump into that conclusion what they will negate to tell people is there's nobody the last number of years that has been more fiercely critical of Republicans and how weak and timid and feckless and spineless and visionless they are and how they allowed Obama's agenda to go through.
They never challenged him.
They never used their constitutional enumerated powers to stop 'em and I've been far more critical of them.
For me it's not about politics, it's about the truth and what's right and when Republicans are weak I call 'em out, which I don't see the Democrats do.
Let me ask you this.
Well there's good there's good and good and bad people in both parties.
Uh I'm sure agree with that.
I agree.
I think there are well intentioned people and I also think there are people as you have learned I mean you know one of the things that amaze me about the whole DNC hacking is here you had racism, anti Semitism, misogyny, you know, gay slurs and I'm thinking, wait a minute, that is the narrative the false narrative that I as a conservative fight back against that is used by the Democrats every election season.
And by the way, it pisses me off and talking about Hispanics as Taco Bowls.
Right.
Right.
And and no one really paid attention to that.
That took my breath away, and that got covered up.
Let me ask you.
I found the most serious email in the DNC collection is actually, to my mind, not the most, you know, salacious.
It is an instruction through the chain of command of the DNC to plant false stories about Bernie Sanders.
Supporters are committing violence with a number of outlets, and to, quote, not have their fingerprints on the DNC.
it unquote.
Mm-hmm.
So they look at the DNC charter it says explicitly that they in a presidential primary they are meant to be strictly neutral and impartial.
Yeah those I think that's extraordinarily well said.
Let me ask you specifically about Hillary when you were on TV with me the other night you I I brought up a quote that you had given recently to the New York Times and you accused the press in America of supporting Hillary Clinton.
You said the American Liberal press is falling all over themselves to defend Hillary Clinton.
They're erecting a demon that is going to put nooses around everyone's necks as soon as she wins the election, which she is almost certainly going to do.
What did you mean by that?
What I meant is this kind of, you know, the Democrats are always speaking about how terrible McCarthyism was.
And there were and it was in many ways.
But at least the USSR actually existed then and there were actually Russian influence campaigns in the United States, which were serious.
What we're seeing now is Hillary Clinton and her.
her campaign trying to whip up a neo Macarthus hysteria where she claims or she claims that effectively Donald Trump is a agent of the Russians that WikiLeaks is an agent of the Russians and where her campaign has also implied that Jules Stein,
the Greens leader is a Russian agent and that the Intercept another US publication effectively Russian agents.
So what what do we have here?
We have let's look at objectively.
We have the ruling party's preferred successor running around uh calling the opposition leader in fact multiple opposition leaders and the critical press foreign agents.
By the way, isn't the isn't that the very terrible terrible climate to permit uh and what kind of press climate is going to exist afterwards, especially if Hillary Clinton is elected, it will be perceived to be a validation of that hysteria.
Uh and so the press afterwards will be cracked down upon uh and online publishers and people in social media you know it will lead to a very harsh climate where the First Amendment will be very significantly eroded.
You know, um what we're talking with we're discussing the issue of WikiLeaks its founder, its editor in chief Julian Assange is with us.
We're going to take a quick break, we'll come back on the other side a lot more to ask him more specifically about what he's discovered about your government, how we got started in all of this what specifically to the extent that it would be willing to share what batches of information does he think he'll be releasing before the election.
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You told me that you have batches, what you call batches and batches of information that you're continuing to vet specifically related to Hillary Clinton that you have said numerous times you believe will have a profound or could have a profound impact on this election.
What else can you tell us about that?
I said significant.
Profound is possible it depends on how you know the stuff is taken up.
But we saw a very good take-up last time with the DNC leak, so I'm hopeful.
I can't scoop ourselves before we publish, but we have tens of thousands, possibly as many as 100,000 pages of documents of different types related to the operations that Hillary Clinton is associated with.
They're from several...
I don't want to speak about sourcing, but let me put it this way, that in response to the DNC publications, a lot of people have been inspired by the the impact and so step forward with additional material.
So you are currently putting all of this together where in the process are you because I know that it's important to you to maintain your perfect track record in terms of not getting information wrong in terms of a timeline we do have an important election in just sixty one days.
Where are you in terms of that process confident now on the initial batches in terms of vetting them that they are accurate, they are what they say they are, that our sources are not lying to us about what they say they are but it's it's a quite a uh complex and business to you know to sort things to index them to make sure they're presentable to try and see what the top initial angles are uh that come out and we're a small shop.
We're working around the clock we understand very much uh the time pressures that people have and how significant it is to try and get that out we worked like hell to get the DNC publication out before the DNC.
Uh we did get out the day before the DNC I am very confident we're gonna get this material out long before the day before the election.
Now as a result of your your interview with me on T V the the Clinton campaign sent out a message associating you with Roger Stone, who's not even involved in the Trump campaign.
Does that have any impact whatsoever on your decision to make these batches available?
And when you say batches, that's plural.
How many batches would you say you have?
It's a a question about how the first batch is digested, but there's some natural batches, so we're talking at least three or four natural batches.
But as we see how the publications p progress and what particular angles people decide to run with, you know, what the public finds the most interesting then we might extend that or we might contract it.
It a lot of this is resource bound as well.
We're, you know, a small investigative publisher, so there's huge weight on us Yeah, to to get it all done.
It's hard work.
How would you describe tell me the adjectives if you feel that the batches are relevant in terms of what would interest the public and the electorate what are the adjectives that you would use or you would want used after you release some of these batches to describe the information that you're going to pass forward.
What would you want people to say?
Devastating I I'm not going to scoop myself on your show Sean.
Well you can you absolutely can I will give you we're on five hundred and fifty radio stations right now all across the country.
I have no idea if you even know who I am we want you know we're a diligent careful organization.
All right let me uh I don't want I don't want to go I don't want to go there.
I am confident it is significant.
And this is what you said to the PBS.
So there's a lot of you know a lot of different angles you said what we what we have is a significant amount of information.
The information itself is significant and it pertains to Hillary Clinton's campaign and we will be releasing it in several batches and we will be finished as as we are finished with our journal journalistic work on each batch.
Yes.
It seems like there's no end to this we've been doing this for ten years.
That's that's a good point.
Almost like job security did you get would you answer this question did you get all thirty-three thousand deleted emails that Hillary Hillary Clinton deleted?
I'm not commenting on what we have other than to say we have significant material about the campaign.
We will be releasing it as soon as we possibly can as soon as the journalistic formatting presentation work is done.
If people want to speed that up we're tax deductible United States that allow us to hire more presentation people and more researchers but otherwise I don't want to um scoop out publications before we are ready to present them to the public.
Let me ask you about the personal impact in your life.
You'll never give your location.
I won't waste any time asking you.
But you are hidden away and you have been for a significant period of time.
There was an attempted break in at apparently what they describe as your embassy home.
Ecuador has questioned London's inadequate response.
On top of that it was revealed yesterday Sweden's Court of Appeal is debating this week whether to grant you an open court hearing in your campaign to rescind an arrest warrant against you.
The appearances related to a sexual assault charges that you're facing in Sweden is do you claim all of this is false and is this as a result of the work that you're involved in do you believe well I I'm not facing any sexual assault charges.
I haven't been charged under frequent frequent uh misreportage in fact in that Swedish case we have a lot of cases but in in the Swedish case I haven't been charged.
Well the appearance that you took back in twenty ten was related to that yeah I've already been quitted by the chief prosecutor of Stockholm the thing was resurrected after the involvement of a politician guy by the name Claes Borgstrom back in 2010 in the middle of our kind of conflict with Hillary over the publication of the cables.
The United Nations this year after eighteen months of litigation and review on February 5 made a formal finding that I am being illegally detained and that I should be immediately released and compensated.
So that's the facts on there.
What we're trying to do in Sweden is enforce um that determination.
Let me ask you this or get the Swedes to make it themselves.
At the age of sixteen, this is fascinating to me.
You broke into the systems of NASA and the US Pentagon.
You were busted on twenty five counts of hacking, you're sixteen years old.
Which, you know, I I guess the question I think my audience would most want to hear from you is this.
In all of these years that you have read all of this relevant information from the bowels of our government, what should the average citizen know that they don't know about America's government?
And more particularly, I would argue under this president, but any president that you want to share.
That's a very interesting question.
Uh it is a interesting experience to be to to be a very young person trying to understand the world and educate yourself.
Uh and as an Australian, you know, Australia is a long way from anywhere else, but you can kind of get out with your mind, which is what I and some other Australian teenagers were doing, exploring the world trying to understand it, and that of course includes the US government.
I would say that some things understand, even the worst institution has good people in it.
Uh the people at the bottom are usually pretty good.
Um as you go up, uh people become more duplicitous.
Uh we can talk about some big structural things here they're quite sure.
Well, one in other words, like over all these years, you've been accused of being a rapist, an enemy combatant, uh uh a CIA covert operative, a massad agent for Israel.
All of these things.
Yeah.
I mean, and and you listen, I I gotta be honest, I'm a big supporter of the military because I think the world is a very evil and dangerous place.
I really do.
I believe in covert operations, too.
You know, but I I know that you you know, in twenty ten in April, with the release of collateral murderer you know, you showed an American helicopter in Iraq opening fire on unarmed civ civilians.
That's not what I want my military doing.
I don't want them to have been one or two that were armed.
Actually, we we say that in explicitly in the video, but yes, the majority not armed, not engaged in combat, and two were Reuters journalists.
Uh later on in that video is the serious incident, the real serious incident where there's a Reuters journalist wounded crawling along the gutter.
Good Samaritans turn up in a van with two kids on the way to school, uh, they go to collect him off the street, and then the helicopter opens fire uh on that van, which is just collecting the wounded.
Uh so then there's a cu then there's a cover up uh and in some ways the cover ups are more serious because they're s they're systematic corruption.
You know, you can have one event or another event, but a way the system heals itself uh is by you know, um being accountable for when things go wrong.
That's how you Do you agree with my world view though that there is evil in this world?
Do you agree with my world view that that that unfortunately human beings haven't all fallen short of the glory of God, to quote a great book, that you know, we are dealing with some evil people and they don't respect human life and human dignity, and there have to be steps to protect innocent people?
Uh yes, I've dealt with and seen very bad people.
I mean, friends of mine have been assassinated, I've had calls for my assassination.
Uh there are a lot of bad people in the world.
There's a lot of good people as well.
So go back to my original question then.
What would you tell the American Oh, I'm sorry, go ahead, finish your thought.
No, I was about to say I think that you know, you got basically uh ten percent of people are really very fine.
Two percent of people are psychopathic liars, uh and actually enjoy causing suffering to others.
That's true across nearly every society.
It varies a little bit between societies.
And then the people in the middle, they kind of go either way.
They take their leads from you know, examples that they see.
Yeah, back to my original question.
Well, let me based on what you just said to me, let me ask the question this way.
Based on your classification of people, with many being good, many being in the middle and two percent being psychopathic, and based on all the information you've been able to read and glean from from things that Americans don't have the opportunity to see except that you're sharing it.
How would you classify Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton?
Obama's hard to understand.
There's a clear transition in Obama as he gets into government and then starts to identify with the authority that he has and as far as we can see starts to become um more abusive in his exercise of authority because he identifies too much his own ego with what has happened in relation to various parts of the government.
The president should be someone who forces accountability on the government rather than someone who uh tries to hide when the government gets it wrong.
And Hillary?
Hill Hillary Clinton, I mean, I'm not that interested in the personal assessment.
Uh but you're able to let me let me say this.
You're able to glean things that others are not.
Like for example, in the DNC case, you were able to glean racism, sexism, homophobia, all things Democrats say, they're the champions of women's rights.
They're the champion like Hillary Clinton takes money from the Saudis, the Saudis practice sharia, treat women, they kill gays and lesbians, and there's no religious freedom for Christians or Jews.
I find that repressive.
And she takes their money.
I find that the height of hypocrisy.
So my question to you is, you know, does she fit into that two percent?
She's a does what it takes kind of person.
The the question is, how has she gotten where she is where she is now?
What is her who are her who are her kind of supporters, her cronies, uh the people that she relies upon to propel her and her working methods.
Listen, I know I know you've given us been very generous with your time.
Can I ask you a question?
Would you be able to stay one more segment?
Yeah, sure.
You know, I because I I honestly I want to I don't want to interrupt your questions, but I have so many others, and uh I don't want to interrupt your answers, so I have so many other questions because I really want you to speak freely, and uh and that's why I I my list of questions is very long, and I've read a lot about you, and I'd like to share a lot of it with our audience.
So if you can stay one more segment, Julian Assange is with us.
He's agreed to stay, founder, editor-in-chief of WikiLeaks.
We'll pick it up right where we left off here about his worldview, what he's been able to glean from the documents that he has seen and is now sharing with the world.
As I said, I believe there are two major benefits for you, the American people in all of this.
Number one, that we have it's been revealed how unsecure our computer systems are, and there is no cybersecurity within government, none whatsoever.
And number two, also a level of corruption that I think should shock the conscience of any law-abiding constitutional loving American and frankly citizens of the world.
We'll continue more with Julian Assange.
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All right, news round of information overload here on the Sean Hannity Show.
Uh we continue with Julian Assange, the founder, the editor-in-chief of WikiLeaks.
Um I want to go back to again, you've been able to see things from within the deep bowels, not only of our government, but other governments as well.
And information that you've gleaned that others have not had access to, although you put it together and you you share it with the world.
And I know you've come under great criticism.
As a matter of fact, you know, did you say earlier in this interview, I'm just paying attention to you here, because I think you've had friends assassinated because of your work?
Yes, in in Kenya.
Can you t can you expand on that?
What happened?
Well, we were involved in a process where the more than uh fifteen hundred people, it's quite a complex domestic thing in Kenya, but they had been killed by the some elements of the Kenyan police and the Kenyan Kenyan human rights commission was investigating this.
The guys were being go uh originally shot, then carrotted to hide the the wounds uh the wounds and then chucked into rivers and buried in landfill, etcetera.
And uh guys we were working with two lawyers uh were going to the Kenyan human rights uh commission uh to present uh their results and uh and they're in their car in the afternoon and the van pulled in front, van pulled in behind with AK uh forty sevens uh and they shot through the windows uh and killed them.
Sad, isn't it?
It's really it there's so much evil in this world that's so horrible sometimes.
Let me ask you you you asked you asked a question before, Sean about uh which I struggled to answer a bit about you know what is my worldview after being in the bowels of institutions for a long time.
I guess it's as you get as you see people top of the institution, what they say internally to each other, it's basically a contempt for democracy, a contempt for the public and uh self-confidence uh in that contempt.
Can I can I ask you to expand on it in this way through the prism of the DNC and those emails again, which showed racism, sexism, misogyny, anti Semitism, you know, gay slurs, etcetera.
You know, you talk about a contempt for we the people in the in the case of the United States, that showed real contempt and real hypocrisy.
And I I want you to go into the broader question and uh you have free reign to go anywhere you want in terms of what especially related to our election.
Do you would you think the American people sh have a right to know about Hillary Clinton based on what the the bowels of of documents that you have read that maybe we have not.
I'm not gonna scoop our upcoming publication, Sean.
Uh you gotta give me credit for trying.
I mean you know what you don't expect me not to try.
Jeez.
As far as the DNC leaks are concerned, I mean, you know, everyone knows the big takeaway.
The DNC acted against its own constitution to try and rig the primary process against Bernie Sanders and for Hillary Clinton.
Uh and then afterwards, uh immediately afterwards, Hillary Clinton said that Debbie Wasserman Schultz is, you know, her best pal, w literally two hours afterwards, her best pal and would become the honorary head of her campaign and be her surrogate, etc.
Basically saying, hey, don't worry, all my cronies, uh, as long as you do something corrupt for me, you'll be taken care of.
And it's very interesting that she feels that she ha must make that statement because obviously politically it doesn't help her to make that statement with the American people.
It obviously doesn't help her to make that statement with the ban Bernie Sanders guys and girls.
Uh so who is that statement for?
It's for the you know, her cronies and allies, which she wants to reassure um, don't worry, I'm gonna look after you.
If you if you help me in a corrupt manner, uh you're gonna be taken care of.
And that's a very bad sign.
So she's corrupt.
She is a corrupt uh behind the scenes when nobody's looking, she's a very different person than what she portrays publicly.
Fair statement.
Yes.
Is she a statement but we all just like to Sean, can I go into some of the FBI report and our cables about uh uh Hillary Clinton that we've published.
Yes.
Because I I think this is something that really needs to be focused on because it's undeniable.
So in the uh FBI interview with Hillary Clinton, I have it here, uh I'll just quote from it.
Um where are we?
Uh so this is about the C in brackets on a document.
Now everyone everyone in who has a security clearance or has been in the Senate uh or is investigative journalist, or and frankly a lot of people have been in the most people being in the military know what a C in bracket means next to a paragraph it means classified, and S in bracket exact classified confidential and S in bracket means classified secret, uh U in brackets means unclassified.
And T S in brackets means top secret.
Uh so in her interview um which is reported by the FBI, uh When asked what the parenthesical C meant before a paragraph within the captioned email, Clinton stated that she did not know and could only speculate it was a referencing paragraphs marked in alphabetical order.
Yeah.
There's no A and B. There's no A and B in parenthesis system.
Okay.
Yeah.
We have something much stronger than that.
Much much stronger than that.
Which we published her cables.
All of her 2009 cables and some of her 2010 cables.
So uh that's her first year as Secretary of State.
And there are literally thousands of examples on her website where she has signed off the cable with her own name Clinton, and the paragraphs above that have this C in brackets.
She has been using that C in brackets thousands of times while she was Secretary of State.
Now if you know if Hillary Clinton turned around and said, Oh, but you know, I just uh dictated that cable, someone else put these brackets in.
Which I don't believe uh happened all the time.
But anyway, she turns around and says that.
We also have thousands of cables that we have published that she's were sent to her that had this C in brackets.
So the original the original I never sent or received classified information was always a lie.
That was always a lie, but she is intimately familiar with this C marking.
That we have published proof of.
Mm-hmm.
Her writing it.
Let me add one other thing.
Thousands of times.
There's one email thread from June of twenty eleven that included Hillary telling a top aide, his name is Jake Sullivat to send secure information through insecure means.
And and in response to her request for a set of since redacted talking points, you know, he writes, well, they've had issues sending secure facts and they're working on it, and she responded, Well, if they can't turn it into non-paper, meaning email, with no identifying heading and send non-secure.
Now why is that important in light of what happened last night?
Because last night was the first time she mentioned there's no heading.
You d you don't need a heading.
And it shows there was a heading there.
She was aware of headings, and she was aware of the importance of removing these headings.
So there is a concerted effort to defy the law, dec defy security, do whatever she pretty much damn well pleases, and then she lies with a bandit.
Now you were talking about three personality types in the last half hour.
You said two percent uh psychopathic.
That kind of seems to me to fit into that category, and you didn't want to go there.
I don't want to make a personality assessment.
And in some ways it doesn't matter.
She does what she does.
And that's she does what she does, and she has the allies that she has, and that's going to define uh her as a president, just like most political candidates.
Uh and it that to some degree is unalterable.
Well then let me ask you about America's media though.
You you put out all the things that you're talking about.
If you read the people of the lie, though, I don't know if you've ever read uh the road less traveled or the people of the lie.
I mean, lying in and of itself is an act of evil.
There's a certain dishonesty, and when you do it with a calculated purpose to advance one's career, I think it becomes even more pronounced.
Um but the American liar.
She's a liar.
She she lied that's a concrete example of her li her lying.
How many times do you think you caught her lying based on your analysis of what you found?
Well, I think there's dozens uh of incidences.
So she wrote she lies with regularity.
This particular one that I just gave.
Yeah.
This is someone something that everyone can see.
You can go to WikiLeaks.org slash plus D, P L U S D, uh, and just put in Clinton uh in the search term, select uh the classification as confidential or confidential, no foreign or secret, and you will see those cables.
Let me ask you this question.
Everyone can prove it.
What do you how do you assess America's media.
Now I started at the beginning of this interview and I admitted I think I was wrong about you.
And uh I apologize by the way.
I didn't do it the last time, but I will now.
Because I think you have done a great service for the country, and I really worried and my rationale at the time, I actually stand by it was I really thought you had compromised the security of Americans, and that's where my focus was.
Uh so I did have a rationale, but it turns out that I was wrong.
Um but in this instance, you know, how do you assess American media where you're doing all the work for them?
And I know that even the New York Times criticized you, which kind of made me laugh somewhat, Bill Keller at the Times at the time, you know, uh attacking you personally and then stealing everyone stealing everything that you put out.
I mean it's hilarious to me.
But you know, my question to you is how do you assess the American media?
You lay out all this information.
They're not informing the American people to the extent they should, are they?
There's some good journalists in the American media.
There are.
But if we're talking about institutions uh in this election cycle, it I mean it's really embarrassing.
Uh I mean some of that's come out through DNC emails, but that there's a full blown as a rapid particize INA sorry, there's uh increasing bias in the media, much more than there was four years ago.
I'm not sure why.
I think it's probably because Hillary Clinton's network has grown so large and is intermingled with a lot of that media.
You look at the Daily Beast, for example.
Uh its parent organization has Chelsea Clinton on the board.
Mm-hmm.
Uh those sorts of connections exist uh in MSNBC, uh Washington Post, Politico, etcetera.
Basically they're all in bed with each other, aren't they?
Well, there's a uh they're in bed with each other, but you could be in been with you could be, you know, have friends or allies or relatives, but you might have ethical principles.
Well, I criticize Republicans and I never get credit for it.
I beat the crap out of them.
Let me ask you this question based on your knowledge.
Do you think that Hillary's email server issue p potentially led to the death of innocent people?
Like for example, like Benghazi or the Iranian scientist or any of those issues?
Hillary Clinton's emails, a lot of people have had them.
Uh if you read carefully the FBI report, you see that all her emails from her private servers, private server in her lounge room, there were three, uh were sucked out to a cloud run by some contractor, she says in a bathroom.
Uh illicitly.
Yeah.
They were also pushed into Gmail.
They were put on a laptop, uh, which they posted to themselves and then immediately lost the whole laptop, they say.
I think it's the interesting question as to whether they lost the laptop with all the emails of the United States top diplomat on it, uh, or whether this is a quite elaborate and frankly clever way uh to make a laptop disappear when you're expecting a subpoena.
Uh I think we know I think we're I think the people that use bleach bit phones.
We know the answer.
Thirteen, yeah, fifteen phones break it busted up with a hammer.
Fifteen phones.
They destroyed at least five with a hammer.
Uh only two could be found.
Uh she only used one device.
Julian, she told us she only used one device.
That was a lie.
That was a lie.
And and also she had uh iPad uh and uh emails were being received on that iPad.
So there's emails that we have published where you see her sending emails from her iPad or her staff are talking about her receiving emails on her iPad.
Uh I'm a privacy believer.
I b I you know, I just have this belief that we ought to be able to you know, individuals ought to have a right to privacy.
Governments are very different for me, uh except for covert operations, military secrets that I think every government does have a right to have in an evil world.
Um like I, for example, use an iPhone.
It's supposed to be encrypted.
How easy would it be for you to bust into anybody's iPhone?
And I asked this on behalf of my audience that probably like me is concerned about their own privacy.
Well, I'm I'm not a computer hacker.
I was one as a teenager.
I became a security expert uh and analyst and publisher and so on afterwards and fighter for the freedom of the press and the first amendment and so on.
But of course we have to study all this in order to know how to protect our own organization.
WikiLeaks is constantly attacked by state parties, by everybody.
Uh mafia and so on.
Everyone.
We were banned by China uh as early as two thousand and seven.
So we've had this ongoing war trying to protect ourselves for more than a decade.
This is gonna make a great movie one day.
Is there anybody you want to play you in the movie?
Well no.
No, okay, nobody.
You want to do it yourself.
Rather like there to not be such things.
All right, just one more question, final question for Julian Assange, who is the founder, editor in chief of WikiLeaks.
When we get back, also your reaction all this, 800 941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
That and more coming up straight ahead.
All right, we continue final question now for the founder of the editor in chief of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange.
Yes or no?
I really want an answer from your best analysis and your understanding.
Do you believe Hillary's email caused the death of anybody?
I don't know.
As I was saying before, they circulated very widely on lost on laptops in the posts, copied to remote servers, copied to Gmail, flowing over the internet.
So that's kind of great from a WikiLeaks perspective because it means such a a wide number of access points.
Yeah, it's great from WikiLeaks perspective.
But we are we are talking about the emails of the top U.S. diplomats.
My my philosophy about secrets, military secrets, and so on is yes, I believe that there are genuine secrets for a period of time.
For example, our sources, we obviously keep them secret, otherwise they would be harmed.
Uh but it's the amount of time.
I don't think there is any secret in government that must be kept secret forever.
And that if there was such a secret, it would lead to unaccountability.
What we're talking about with Hillary's emails is whether, you know, there's uh uh military operation that was important, say, to save save a hostage, for example, held by ISIS.
Yep.
And could that information come out near the time that that was happening or CIA officers knocks without official um diplomatic status if their identities came out and they're in a very difficult situation uh in the Middle East.
You know, I do lead to harm.
I do think there's there's something here that we need to pay attention to, and I'll just leave this thought with you as you uh you you go to your dinner is that you know the skills that you and your team, and I know you consider yourself a journalist, have accumulated over these many years, you know, potentially could be used to hack into whatever electronic devices ISIS is using and save innocent lives.
There is a potential for great good that beg that can be accomplished here.
You know, maybe just informing the American people what a pathological liar Hillary Clinton is because you've seen it for yourself time and time again is a wake-up call.
And at least people go in with the full knowledge of what they're doing when they vote on November the eighth.
But I wish I had more time.
I I really thank you for your time and I appreciate uh you uh taking the time to be with us and share this information.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Thanks, Sean.
Bye bye, be s be safe, by the way.
I think a lot of people are out to get you.
Yeah, they are.
All right.
800-941 Sean or Taufre telephone number, you want to be a part of the program.
You know, it's pretty amazing.
I find this guy fascinating.
And I'm not sure I believe anything that anybody says about the guy, and I know they brought a lot of charges.
I asked him about I don't know what to believe.
I know this that when you hit governments this hard as he has, and by the way, effectively, he's gotten people out of jail and and had a lot of positive impact.
I know that the media narrative, the media matters of the world, which are obsessed with me, and tape four hours a day because they hire losers in their underwear and all over the country to monitor every word that I say, and they're going, oh, this is political.
Well, I asked Julian last night, well, what if it was stuff on Trump?
He said, Well, the problem with Trump is he says everything he thinks, he's not a phony.
So there's no there's there's no pretense with him.
You know, but back to my original assessment.
I remember when this first broke, the assessment was pretty clear that this probably was the worst damage to national security in the history of the country and would result in people's death.
And based on that, I'm like, wow, we this is espionage, this is you know a crime.
So I did say that.
I will say this.
Now that WikiLeaks has a ten-year perfect record, and and again, as a privacy person, I I kinda I don't want people ha being hacked the way they're being hacked every five minutes.
It's not how I operate.
But with that said, there is a great public service that has been performed here.
Now I want you to think about this.
This never happens, and yet all of these foreign countries have the capability of Julian Assange as the founder and editor in chief of WikiLeaks.
So they're getting all that information.
The only difference is they're not telling us that they have it.
So now we know we have a huge cybersecurity safety problem.
Number two, you know, as corrupt as I've always known instinctively that government is.
He has also done a great service exposing just how deeply, fundamentally corrupt and dishonest your leaders are and your government is.
I take, for example, the DNC email hack.
So the same people that accuse conservatives every election season of being racist.
They use racist language themselves.
They do it.
They're guilty of what they accuse conservatives of.
They're anti-Semitic.
They are misogynistic.
They make gay and lesbian slurs.
And much more.
What a public service to get to see the the deep now.
I know the media's ignored all of this because they are the willing accomplices of Hillary Clinton, just like they were Barack Obama.
So I'm just I'm telling you right now, this is a good service.
You remember Elise Jordan was married to this guy, Mike Hastings?
Michael, right?
I like her a lot.
She is a lovely girl.
She's best friends with Elise, who used to work for me.
They're best BFS.
They go on vacation, send me pictures.
I'm like, gee, I wish I had all the time Elise has.
No, I'm just kidding.
We're proud of her.
She's doing great work and she's got her own TV shows she's put together.
So many people have left this left working for me and done great things, haven't they?
And Linda's stuck with me.
You know, stuck like glue.
Did you hear that song by Sugarland?
Anyway.
Hastings became a vocal critic of of the surveillance state during the investigation of reporters by the U.S. Department of Justice in 2013, referring to the restrictions on freedom of the repress by the Obama administration as a war on journalism.
His last story.
Why Democrats love to spy on Americans was published by BuzzFeed.
Hastings died in that high speed, really bizarre, questionable automobile chase in Los Angeles back in what, 2013.
I was Elisa's husband.
Remember calling her at the time and she just devastated.
And uh I spoke to her recently.
She's actually doing really well.
We're really proud of her.
She's engaged too.
She's, you know, she's she's doing she's in a good place.
So that's what I think.
I'd love to hear what you say.
Uh Vanessa's in New Mexico.
Vanessa, you're on the Sean Hannity show.
Hi.
Hi, thanks for taking my call.
I just wanted to say that when he talked about what the Democrats are really, really about, and it shows with what's being leaked, is that that's what stuck out to me is that they portray themselves as the political party that really, really cares about people, and we've got your back.
And and the truth is just the opposite, and the truth is coming out because he and his organization have not only the skills but the courage to expose it.
And like you've said, it it's it to me it's exposing the fundamental uh darkness and evil that is in the hearts and minds of our leaders, which drives them to do the things they're doing.
And with uh Hillary Clinton, the arrogance of that party to think that they can be exposed and still have the the um the the like ability of of people in America is just it it's like her audacity to even run for president when she is responsible for the death of four Americans and then calling those families liars.
It's it's even amazing to me, even though I have a realistic view of how to do it.
You know, it's a and I was glad the the timing of having Julian on today, I think was you know perfect in light of this town hall last night.
I just thought it was amazing.
But thank you, Vanessa.
I'm interested in what everybody has to say here.
Janelle is in Georgia, Way Cross, Georgia.
How are you, Janelle?
Glad you called listening to uh news talk WSP.
Hey, Sean, it's good to be with you.
I'm excited to get to talk to you.
I'll wa listen to you every day, watch you on Fox at night.
Thank you.
You're just a great patriot.
Well, God bless you.
I appreciate your kind words.
There's a lot of people that hate me right now.
It's nice to get a little bit of reassurance occasionally because I don't get much of it.
Especially in Georgia.
Thank you very much.
I wanted to say about uh Julian Assange.
I'm I'm looking forward to seeing what he has to to offer, what he has to put out there that he says he has on Hillary because while his tactics may be a little bit questionable and how they go about gathering this material, she is a criminal and she's not been held accountable for anything she's done in 30 plus years, Sean.
I'm I'm sick of it.
I won't cur I want something to stick.
She needs to be held accountable for all that she's done.
I agree.
I think the fact that I honestly, though, believe that there's at least 40% of your fellow citizens that we could get her on video murdering somebody, shooting them in the head, a point blank range for no reason, handcuffed behind their back and they still defend her.
That's a problem we have.
Half the country's nuts.
It is.
I I don't understand it.
It's crazy to me.
And in Georgia where I live, it's it's I can't believe I don't know anybody that's voting for her.
And I I can't believe that, you know, that she's up in Georgia.
That to me is embarrassing.
I'm going, I don't know anybody that's voting for her.
You know?
But it's let me tell you, they're out there, and these people uh write me regularly, so I know what that what they think and how they feel and everything else.
Anyway, thank you, Janelle.
All my best to my friends in Georgia.
Joni is in California.
Joni, hi, how are you?
Glad you called.
I'm fine, thank you.
I've been uh thinking about Assange as well, and I'm hoping that he can he can blow that bomb of an October surprise that can hopefully bring Hillary down because she's truly the head of the Clinton crime syndicate.
And then I'm wondering, like you as you just said, whether the mainstream media would even care.
Because it's anyway, this goes into the electoral.
You know, everybody's gonna think Han the only reason Hannity likes Assange now is because he's gonna make this document dump on Hillary, which by the way, I'm not gonna lie.
I mean, I'm I sure absolutely.
But here's the what I d here's what I've come to realize that's even bigger and more profound, although this could have a profound effect and an altering effect on our election this time.
But I think the fact that we've we better pay attention to cybersecurity.
I mean, the fact that he says it's easy to hack into the Pentagon, the fact that he did it at sixteen years of age, it's mind blowing.
The second thing, the fact that our government is so corrupt and they've been exposed as such hypocrites.
And the third thing that was kind of reassuring from the guy, I thought, was he's not after private citizens.
He's after governments that are corrupt and exposing corruption.
Well, that to me is fundamentally what journalism should be about.
So I kind of like the gutsiness of it.
I am sure that if it was uh if it was against George Bush that Democrats would love the guy, and um but it's not, it's against Hillary, and I think that they're scared to death.
I am told within Democratic ranks they're st they are literally in their pants over this whole Julian Assange issue.
They're scared to death.
Yeah, that it's happening in their pants.
They're blanking their pants, pooping their pants.
All right, I'm saying it nicely.
Why do you make why do you push me?
You push me because you want me to say it.
You push me because you want me in trouble.
I get in trouble, I get fired, you lose your job.
That's really makes a lot of sense.
Oh so for your own self-preservation, Miss, I use the drop an F bomb every five seconds.
Maybe you could be a little bit nicer to me to preserve and protect so I can put food in the mouth of that beautiful baby you have at your home who looks as irish as the days long.
Did you tell Lenny I said that?
That kid has got you know reddish hair, he's got an Irish face and Irish skin.
How did that happen?
Unbelievable did you tell him I said that.
He's gonna laugh.
Just in Portland, Oregon.
What's up, Justin?
How are you?
Yeah, hi, Sean.
Thanks for taking my call.
I think that Julian Assad has done a good public service.
I think he's proved just how not transparent Hillary and the Democrats have been.
Yeah.
But I want to highlight one other thing that I I haven't heard quite yet.
Uh, and that's the issue uh of her uh avoiding responsibility of handling the confidential uh information she keeps saying, I didn't know.
Uh I can't remember.
Listen, if I go as a concealment carry uh permit holder, if I go to another state, I need to know.
Oh, you better possess that.
Oh, you better remember.
Oh, yeah.
And you can't and you can't say, well, I had a concussion in 2012.
I just forgot my gun was in my pocket.
That's a good no, it's not gonna fly.
Even just driving, if I drive in another state, oh yeah, you're done.
Um, you're done j listen, get the file with the cake, because you're gonna need it.
You'll be in jail, handcuffed, perp walked, and and fingerprinted and and what do you call that mugshot it?
Robin O'Cala, Florida.
Next, Sean Hannity Show.
What's going on?
Yeah, hi, Sean.
I'm gonna change the topic a little bit.
Sure, what's up?
Um okay.
My daughter was your server at the US Open on Saturday.
Wait a minute.
Your daughter was your server.
You mean when I was eating at the restaurant?
Yes, ma yes, sir.
Well wait a minute.
Is she a real Christian girl?
Absolutely.
We had the I was with some friends of mine from TV, my producer Porter and others, and we had the biggest discussion with her and another guy all about faith and religion.
That's what we're talking about the whole dinner.
That's what she shared with me.
She said you made her day, you made her week.
Yeah, I was asking them to sit down and join us, but uh and then the owner of the restaurant came out and I said, Can they join us?
I actually asked him, and he said, I guess so.
You know, he wants them to work.
But we she, by the way, is a lovely, lovely girl, and the guy she works with, I loved him too.
Well, thank you so much.
Well, she just she shared that story with me.
She was telling us we were sitting there talking about, you know, s salvation and God and having a long discussion because I was raised a Catholic and others were raised different denominations.
And your daughter weighed in, she was so smart and so she was amazing.
I loved her.
I gave her a hug when I left, you know.
Yeah, that's what she said.
She she said that and she said, and if anyone ever um doubts how generous Sean Hannity is, you can tell them he's more than generous.
Oh, you mean I left her a big tip.
Okay.
Yes.
Yes, sir.
I always do that, by the way.
That's not uncommon.
But not only that, she said that you were just she said you saw her as a person.
And she said when you're in her particular job, so many people look through them and over them and around them and don't see who they are as people.
I've experienced that.
You know what?
I spent years washing dishes by hand.
I didn't have a machine.
I I I was uh cook, bus boy, waiter, bartender for ten years of my life.
Believe me, I know everything that your daughter's doing.
I did them all myself.
Yeah, and she's a single mom working hard.
Really?
Well, I should have given her a bigger tip then.
Oh no, you did fine.
She was she was ecstatic.
She said you were she said you were awesome.
The people you were with were awesome.
She was she was all we had such a good time.
I mean, I honestly, that discussion, I love talking about it.
I could talk about that all day and night.
She and she added so much to the discussion.
I was very impressed with her, and we all walked away, we were all talking about how great she and and one of her f I forget the waiter's name, too.
He was a good guy.
Yes.
Well, thank you for sharing that.
Please tell her she's in my prayers, God bless her, and I I really enjoyed meeting her.
She was very special girl.
You should be very proud as a mom.
I am.
She is a lovely girl.
Uh here's what we're working on with respect to immigration, securing our border, enforcing our current laws.
He talked about uh criminal aliens.
That's just enforcing laws for people who came here illegally who came and committed violent crimes.
Um we should enforce those laws.
Uh, but really what we're focused on is securing our border.
Well, Trump said he was gonna build a wall.
Yeah, I think conditions on the ground determine what you need in in particular areas.
Some areas you might need a wall, some area you might need double fencing.
I my own view on this is whatever kind of device or barrier or policy to secure the border is necessary to secure the border, then do it.
Abdul Razak Ali Artan, the man police say deliberately rammed a car into a group of pedestrians, then got out and started slashing people with a butcher knife.
According to federal law enforcement officials, Artan was an 18-year-old Somali citizen living near the university as a legal permanent resident.
ISIS is now claiming responsibility for inspiring the attack on the Ohio State University campus.
Sometimes when I'm talking to young interns of the White House, uh who are still immunizing themselves from the cynicism that's so chronic in this town, um I remind them if you had to choose a moment in history to be born and you didn't know ahead of time who you were gonna be.
You choose now.
Because the world has never been less violent, healthier, better educated, more tolerant, with more opportunity for more people and more connected than it is today.
I have no idea who he's talking about, none of what country is talking about either.
Anyway, news roundup and information overload hour here on the Sean Hannity show, toll for telephone numbers 800-941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
As I mentioned earlier, the thing that is concerning me the most in what I see Congress and their priorities and what they're laying out.
Now, of course, they hope to adjourn for the year by the end of the week, and we're told that the continuing resolution budget is is unveiled along with a final deal on water resources and that bill.
But what concerns me is after January twentieth.
You got a top a top ally of House Speaker Paul Ryan outlining the GOP leadership strategy to in the beginning isolate and block President Donald Trump's populist campaign promises, which include some of his immigration reforms.
For example, what they're saying is, and this was quoted by Bill Flores, Congressman from Texas.
We all agree that some of the president's proposed policies are not gonna line up very Well with our policies.
Let's do the things we agree on.
Let's do tax reform.
Let's do Obamacare.
Let's replace Obamacare.
Let's start dealing with border security.
Let's rebuild our national security, and then on those areas where his agenda is not exactly aligned with ours, we'll figure out the rest in the next six months.
The GOP congressional leadership, in other words, they want to pass all their priorities, but they don't want to pass Donald Trump's priorities.
Which means Donald Trump, I'm sure at some point is going to figure out that there might be typical Washington maneuvering in in place here.
And I hope that he is aware of what's going on.
Congressman Dave Brad is from Virginia and uh Representative Congressman Brian Babbin is from Texas here to uh talk about this some of the few congressmen that actually come on this program anymore.
Uh Congressman Brad, how are you?
Hey, doing great, Sean.
Feeling feeling good with the new momentum we have.
And uh you're right.
The the uh the election year issues that this seismic shift everyone felt was due to precisely these issues that affect the forgotten man, right?
The immigration issues, the trade issues, the cleaning the swamp, Paul Ryan's better way agenda has some great stuff in it, right?
Tax reform, we're all going to get to that.
But uh we we've got the the issues that won this election for us in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, et cetera, are the issues we've been fighting for.
I came in the week of Obama's unconstitutional amnesty, and Boehner said we're gonna fight tooth and nail on that, and we didn't lift a finger, and then there's been executive action ever since.
And then my good friend Brian Babbin from Texas uh will tee it up, but he's had the great bill on the the refugee cleanup, which he can explain to you.
And uh he's had the vetting stuff before it was cool.
And so uh we've had bills in the hopper.
We have five bills that are passed out of Good Last uh committee at Judiciary on immigration, and Good Lad is a very rational uh chairman.
These are not hair on fire bills.
These are just five immigration bills that will make this country a safer place.
And we have not our leadership has not moved these bills.
And so that's the issue.
These five bills have to go.
Well, I agree with that.
I mean look, for example, I mean, they have funding over the government that Obanda Obama's demanding three point nine billion for refugee resettlement.
That's a two hundred and fifty percent increase over the current year funding.
And I'm saying, well well, Congress has the power of the purse.
The last time I checked our Constitution, does that still exist, or was it did we have an amendment that I didn't know about?
Brian, you want to weigh in?
Sure, I will.
Uh Sean, how are you?
Great to be back with you.
Great to have you back, sir.
Yeah, and good good to be on with my friend uh Dave Brad as well.
It it's uh the the continuing resolution negotiations that are going on right now.
Uh we I have uh we I've had an op-ed out, I've talked at the conference, I've talked to a lot of my colleagues, including Dave, and he understands this.
We cannot add and increase the budget of the ORR or the Office of Refugee Resettlement and the Refugee Program.
We did that last December in the omnibus.
We increased it by a hundred million dollars, and we must, we absolutely must prevent uh increasing the budget because we know, as you just said, Sean, this president is trying to get an end-of-the-year gift uh of uh two point two billion to his refugee program.
Well, we know absolutely on the heels of this Ohio State attack, a Somali refugee.
We have got to stop the program until we can vet these people, and we need to stop it from these hotbeds of uh of Islamic terrorism.
And uh this this refugees, this whole refugee program uh has been uh just uh taken over by this president.
Uh you know, this this bill started in nineteen eighty.
This this law, it was sponsored by Ted Kennedy, none other, and signed by President Carter.
It was funded at two hundred million and now it's approaching two billion.
We don't really even know.
Well, actually, it's it's hitting he's demanding three point nine billion.
It's not even I mean, my only point is this.
I mean, I think one of the reasons, and I keep arguing that the Republican Party created Donald Trump is because they don't keep their promises.
They didn't they had show votes to repeal and replace Obamacare, but they'd never use the power of the purse.
Ted Cruz became a pariah because he tried to.
And and then when it comes to an issue like this, that they don't want to fight before they go home for their Christmas vacation.
And then I look at their priorities.
Well, let's only do the things we agree on first, and that to me is Washington speak for we're not gonna do the things that you really want that you promised, Mr. Trump, which tells me that Trump better get his negotiating hat on and go in there and say, well, if we do what you want, we're also doing what I want.
We must, we must support this pre this President Elect's uh agenda.
And immigration is one of the if not the top uh plank in his platform and uh so this is why I think uh that my bill or any of the other bills that would stop this program uh is Dave uh uh mentioned a a second ago uh has got to be followed through with well Dave I um d do you see what I'm seeing here why you know for example every time you're told with if from Washington that you're gonna get a spending cut or or a tax uh you're gonna get the tax increase but you're also gonna get a spending cut.
You always get the s the tax increase up front.
Ten years later you never end up getting that spending cut.
Ever.
If you offer amnesty you always get the amnesty you never get the wall.
That's the way Washington works.
I'm tired of that game.
I'm tired of Republicans playing that game.
Yeah no you you got it right I'm on the budget committee and I think everybody knows that Trump just won because we've had a vacuum here when it comes to fiscal responsibility, the debts at twenty trillion, the unfunded liabilities, Medicare and Social Security are insolvent in twelve years and we have a hundred trillion dollar bill and the kids won't get those programs.
And so for the last six years instead of doing a budget, we don't do a budget.
We do an omnibus right before Christmas loaded up with every toy imaginable that adds to the debt and then go home.
And then for some reason the American people uh we had a huge outsider wave this year, right with Trump and Cruz and all the good guys the outsider wave is only what it is what it is but the reality is we all know gerrymandering has rendered ninety percent of politician seats safe.
Let's be honest.
Look.
Yeah, and money.
And money.
Well, and the problem is, like, I know they're talking about $1 trillion in infrastructure spending.
And Democrats love it and Republicans love it because they're thinking it's going to work the same old way it's always worked, which is, okay, I'll give you this number of dollars for the project in your district.
You give me this number of dollars for the project in my district.
It runs through the Washington bureaucracy.
You get 50 cents on the dollar.
Rather than having a guy like I had on in the last hour, Joe Max Higgins, the guy that was featured on 60 Minutes this weekend, that has figured out how to transcend the bureaucracy, incentivize businesses to build in the golden triangle in Mississippi and he's creating thousands of jobs.
If if we were to duplicate that success, that paradigm that model and take wash like for example if we're going to spend one trillion in infrastructure how are we going to pay for it?
Paul Ryan didn't answer that question Sunday night.
He was asked it he just went right around it.
Now there are ways to pay for things I would prefer infrastructure spend as you go and take it out of the hands with all due respect to you guys of your five five hundred and thirty three other Congressmen and senators that have agendas that basically the top agenda being them being reelected.
Am I wrong?
Yeah well that's right money's money's in the circle there and it's run in the city and everybody knows that.
And so the key is can Trump set up some new capital pool where the money goes directly to shovel ready jobs and bypasses the federal government network of cronies, right, where we doled out to our buddies and the state senators and the U.S. Senators or whatever.
And that's the challenge going forward.
I I think he's up to it.
I mean he's been brilliant so far on the first few moves here it's looking good but that's everybody all of a sudden the Democrats found the debt clock hiding somewhere back in the closet and the press is on our case and the Democrats are on our case and it's it's almost comical we're being held up to all these standards and on ethics reform and uh and the you know the walling off uh Trump from his money after the Clinton Foundation has two billion dollars and no press reports at all.
I watched Congressman Babbin th this morning I I saw this article Donald Trump tweeted out the president elect tweeted out that he didn't want he wanted to cancel the building of a brand new 747 Air Force One for future presidents because he said they were going to spend four billion dollars and he later spoke to reporters and at Trump Tower saying the project is ridiculous.
I think Boeing is doing a little bit of a number we want Boeing to make a lot of money but not that much money he said.
They issued a statement saying that the company's currently under contract for 170 million to help determine the capabilities of these complex military aircraft that serve the unique requirements of the President of the United States um did we really spend four billion dollars on an airplane?
I mean did we really spend that much money?
It certainly has the appearance of that Sean and uh you know as far as this is the man who when you're talking about Trump, this is the man who's not even going to take a salary.
Uh these are the kinds of things that I believe show a great example.
He is determined to drain the swamp.
As Dave said he has made some great appointments already for his inner circle as far as uh his cabinet goes and we must by all means as uh as a body uh in the Congress, both House and Senate support this man and his agenda and push it through okay so now my next question Congressman Babin are you getting the any indication from Speaker Ryan who said on sixty minutes that he talks to Trump almost daily that Speaker Ryan is also going to look at Trump's priorities not only the things,
quote, that are on his agenda?
Well, uh, you know, we have a better way agenda uh in the House, and Trump's got his agenda, and there's quite a bit of overlap there.
I mean, there's some really, really good stuff.
And uh I w when uh right before the speaker uh for our conference when we were gonna uh talk about leadership, uh I I talked to Speaker Ryan on the phone with a in a private conversation.
I asked him point blank, are we going to a push?
Will will you be pushing the uh the uh uh President elect's agenda?
And he said he would.
It ju it it it really uh it jives with uh with our better way, and I I really do agree with that with all the Well, why do I think why why does the suspicious side of me and and maybe I'm too cynical?
I've only been in radio now thirty years.
Maybe it maybe I've seen too much.
Maybe I've become too big a skeptic, but why do I think Donald Trump better trust and verify and make sure the drain the swamp part of the agenda, the building the wall part of the agenda, the deportation part of the agenda, why do I think that has to be done up front?
Well, I agree with you a hundred percent.
We we're in the we're in the process of negotiating this cons uh continuing a resolution, and the proof's gonna be in the pudding.
And if we can't stop uh the increase in of of the budgets of our refugee program and riff and the uh immigration, uh money's being uh funded to uh uh to build new infrastructure and housing and and monies to to spend on unaccompanied minors pouring across the Texas border.
Uh these these are the things that America's Americans stood up and had a revolution at the ballot box to stop.
Well, I just hope I I just hope look apparently Ryan's gonna remain speaker.
I just hope that Ryan is cognitive of the fact that Americans are fed up with the old way the Congress works, and this is an opportunity to reform Congress, get rid of the bureaucracy, drain the swamp, all those things that we've been talking about, and if he's unwilling to do so, then I guess you know, maybe a Freedom Caucus member will have to challenge him.
But if he says he's willing to follow through on it, I guess the proof, as you said, will be in the pudding.
But I hate to rush you guys off.
I wish we had more time, but we don't.
I appreciate you both being with us.
By the way, are you both members of the Freedom Caucus?
Yes.
Yep, absolutely.
So yeah, and on this on the speaker vote, I did lay out my position in Newsmax.
If your folks want to Google Bratt and News, yeah, you're not voting for Ryan, right?
You're not voting for Ryan?
Yeah, I I I didn't last time, and so far he has not met my criterion for the vote yet.
And so and it's tied to what you're talking about.
I we need there are five bills out of the House.
Mandatory you verify, strong interior enforcement, refugee program, Babbin's bill, asylum reform, and an end to Central American unaccompanied line.
I gotta run.
But you know what?
It is interesting.
The only people that will come on my show now are Freedom Caucus members.
They're the only you're the only people you're the only people that like me.
It's interesting the other people won't come on anymore.
All right.
We love you, Sean.
Hey, Sean, thank you for what you do.
All right, appreciate it.
Well, in fairness, Kevin McCarthy said he'd come on the program when I talked to him fairly recently before the election.
When we come back, your calls, your comments, your intuitive, God-given insight, straight ahead.
My father thought it would be good for discipline reasons.
That's a pretty extreme thing to send your kid away to upstate New York.
What kind of discipline problems were you having?
Well, I was just somebody that was rebellious.
Did you resent your dad when he sent you?
No, not at all.
I understood.
Did he sit you down and say here's why?
Well, he said, I want to shape you up.
My understanding is business school was not your first choice.
Well, I wanted to be in a business that you're very familiar with.
I wanted to make motion pictures.
I absolutely did.
I was gonna apply to USC.
What was it about I mean that's shocking.
Why is what was it that literally was gonna make you break from what your dad did and start a career in film?
I just liked it.
I always liked it.
I like the glamour of movies.
Freddie is standing in the middle there.
Right.
He died at 42 really from alcoholism.
I've never had a drink because of my brother.
Does it worry you that you might have that gene, something inside of you that if you took a drink, um, you wouldn't stop.
You might turn into what happened to Fred and does it scare you?
All right, that was From the well, I guess you call it a documentary.
It was called the Objectified about Donald Trump, and it was hosted by TMZ's Harvey Levin, and it was on the Fox News channel, and the ratings are in, and it was a breakout huge, massive hit, even beating many of the big networks.
Harvey's been a longtime friend.
He joins us now.
How are you?
I'm good, Sean.
How are you?
I gotta tell you, first of all, I'm so proud of you.
The special was just riveting.
You know, I've interviewed Trump all of these times, but when you're in a campaign, you don't have the time that to get into the nitty-gritty of the person.
Like I was doing a lot of town halls.
You did something that nobody else in the media did in this campaign, and you showed a side of Trump that I think a lot of people didn't know.
Yeah, I mean, look, it the campaign was about issues and attacks, and there was very little room to get reflective on who somebody is.
It was all about what they said that day.
And um what what we set out to do was to say let's ignore all of that.
And let's go back to, you know, from childhood on, using objects in his life that mean something to him that he can kind of relate to and become a touch point, and then kind of get to know who the guy is that maybe will help you understand why he does what he does today, who he is today, you know, what got him here.
And that was really the point of this, and you know, I hope it gave that kind of insight.
I mean, I was like, it definitely did.
I mean, the stuff that you were talking about that we just played about him being sent off to boarding school to shape up by his father.
I mean, that was a big part of his life.
His brother dying at 42.
I thought his answer about not wanting to beat himself, and if somebody beats him, that's fine, but he doesn't want to beat himself, shows a winning attitude.
There's so much I got out of this, uh, and a very you know what, his guard was down.
That's what I felt.
Well, that's the thing.
Sean, and you know him really well.
And I I gotta tell you, I mean you I think you know him better than me, but I I I do know him.
And especially during the campaign, you know, Donald Trump rarely would show weakness.
And I'm not saying this is weakness, or he would rarely show vulnerability.
And I didn't know going into this thing, you know, everybody has weak points to their character, strong points, they're vulnerable.
And I didn't know if he was so pre-programmed to not showing any of that that I could get anything.
I mean, I I knew I wanted to try and I knew where I wanted to go, but I was s a little bit surprised at how much he opened up.
How well did you know him before this?
And by the way, uh what was uh I watched even some of your coverage on TMZ.
I I love by the way, your show is the funniest show on TV.
I want to talk about that in a second.
It is the modern day reality show meets camera can uh candid camera moment every day, and it's hilarious.
But thank you.
Did you have a relationship?
Because that that's what I wanted to know.
I knew him, you know, over the years, but I knew him as you know, as a reality TV star and businessman, and we would cover things from time to time, and you know, I would talk to him in the phone occasionally, and we had a friendly relationship, but yeah, I mean that was kind of it.
Yeah, because look, I mean, Hollywood's not exactly the business out there in Los Angeles known as a conservative bastion.
And but I didn't feel you had any political motivation at all.
As a matter of fact, as somebody who was supporting Trump very openly, I I had wished that that aired before the election.
It was it was as you said, it was reflective.
He let his guard down.
He was in a way I th I felt a vulnerability.
He would not give me.
Yeah, and I mean uh uh look, I I haven't really talked about this, but we asked I I talked about it a little bit, but we asked Hillary Clinton as well to do it, and she declined.
And after we shot it, we kind of collectively said, Look, we don't want to do this to influence the election.
It wasn't meant to be a partisan thing, and we chose not to air it.
And you know, I I I didn't do this to get him votes to make him lose votes.
I did it because I really wanted to get this thing.
I I w I wanted to kind of understand who he was, but when we kind of looked at what we had, we thought, you know what, this really does show a dimension, and we don't want to do this as a partisan thing.
And we shelved it.
And you know, when he won, it became a different situation because now it's not about him winning or losing an election, it's about understanding who the president is.
And it just made more sense.
Yeah, but I think you you got a lot out of him that nobody else saw.
You know, it's funny, his approval rating today is up nine points from election day.
And I think like we saw him meet with Mitt Romney.
Mitt Romney who called him a fraud and a huckster.
Um he's meeting today with the heads of networks.
He met earlier today.
Right.
You know, with the the head of CNN, Jeff Zucker and and Phil Griffith from MSNBC.
These were networks pretty much dedicated to defeating him from my perspective.
Well, he that's his clear view.
And you know, I would love to have been a fly in the wall.
Me too.
Uh with Zucker, especially.
I wish I by the way, I wish the TMZ cameras were there.
Yeah, me too.
Uh by the way, you know what I'm really thankful for in my life that because I don't go out a whole lot, I've never had a TMZ camera in my face.
Ever.
Ever.
Because you catch all these people coming out of restaurants in Hollywood is the funniest thing I've ever seen.
No, they're always nice.
That's the thing.
And the the dopey actors and actresses is they just say, Hey Harvey, how are you?
Hi, TMZ.
But they're so stupid.
They get so uptight and like the the then the security guards come around and a fight breaks out.
It's hilarious.
We we gotta get you to Medeo in LA because you would be awesome to be on the show.
I'd love that.
Oh, that's where I need to go to Medeo in Los Angeles.
That's really a great place for Hannah.
I don't even know I've never heard of the place, Harvey.
Okay, I'll give you the list before you come out here.
But no, no, no.
Whatever the list is, the list that means I'm going to Roots Chris Steakhouse.
That's what the list will do for me.
Okay, well, if that's your place, we're there.
Oh well.
I would love to get you in the show.
Oh, listen, I'd do your show any time.
Uh uh, you're a friend.
Well, let me ask you uh this is a personal question, and I'm not look, I uh you've got a job that's very different than my job.
You don't give opinions, and I don't want to ask you what your political views are.
Because I don't even think it's fair.
I just love the special.
And you got a lot out of him that I don't think anybody else could have in a way that nobody else had.
So I guess my question to you is how differently did you feel about him after that interview, which was very personal.
I mean, the truth is this is more the Donald Trump I've known over the years than the guy who we've seen over the last sixteen months.
That when you look, I I went back there three or four times before we actually shot it.
And I was in the building and we were g you know getting setting this thing up and everything.
And you know, you talk to an elevator operator or somebody who works on his staff, you know, uh uh you know, uh housekeepers or whatever, and they've been there for a long time and they really like him as a person.
I mean, that's one of the things that really struck me that they're you know, a lot of uh a lot of times you can kind of really get to know somebody or know who they are by you know h how they deal with, you know, the elevator guy or whatever.
And they like him.
No, they they love they actually love him because I've been over to Trump Tower interviewing him a bunch.
They love their boss.
They do.
And so you gotta think, okay, wait a minute.
You got a guy who can be really polarizing You know, on stage.
How you know, there's that's not the way he could possibly be with all these people in that building.
And almost to uh in fact to a person, they were all just like volunteering how much they liked him and the family.
And so look, what I've known over the years is this guy who can be funny in the phone and he can be, you know, insightful and I also love you know something though, Harvey.
This is the world and the environment of politics today.
He did not plan, obviously his entire life to be to run for president.
Because if you're planning to run for president, you're not gonna go on Howard Stern show.
Yeah, I mean, and he wasn't given scripted, phony political answers.
He r he looks in he even told me I wasn't that into politics.
You know, and and so he was he sort of was finding his gut and his instincts, which I think are naturally conservative, and then fine-tuning it over a lifetime of dealing with government bureaucracy, and he realized, hey, you know, look at all these people that are getting screwed over by government, look at all these jobs we could be creating if we do ABNC.
You know, i i i I I think what you said is central to how he's gonna do, because the one thing I think everybody acknowledges is he's not this political animal who calculates everything he says and does.
And I think to me at least, that's one of the key reasons for his success.
Now the question is, how does he channel that?
Because it tends to be, you know, because it's less calculating, it's gotta really be well thought out.
And I think that's the question is that you know, when you become president, obviously you make decisions that you've never had to deal with before.
And the good part of that is he's not this calculating guy.
Now the question is, how is he gonna channel it?
How is he going to, you know, absorb all of this and and then turn it into policy?
And I think we just gotta see.
Don't don't you think the early signs are I uh look, I even tweeted out earlier today.
I couldn't be that gracious or magnanimous and invite Mint Romney and the heads of networks that wanted me to get crushed.
I don't know if I'd be that gracious.
I think that is probably a part of him that really I guess sees that the the country is really divided.
There's a poll out today that shows it's more divided than it's ever been.
And that he wants to bring the country back together, and I think he's he's reaping the benefits of reaching out to even the people that hated him the most.
I I think that's true.
That said, I will tell you, I have problems with a couple of the people he's appointed.
And you know, I I I'm not as you know, I'm not going to, you know, say this is going to be fantastic.
I don't know.
Um I I do have some problems just in terms of views, and ultimately, I mean the good part is is that I think he keeps his own counsel to some extent.
But I am a little worried about a couple of the people.
It i it's bothersome to me.
I don't like people who I believe, you know, make overtly anti-Semitic remarks.
I don't like, you know, the idea of being a gay man.
I don't like the idea that there is some intolerance.
But I I can tell you on both of those issues.
You know, look at the people that have come to Steve Bannon's defense, even guys like Alan Dershowich and Joel Pollock, uh, very prominent Jewish Americans.
Yeah, but but I but I I don't know what quote you're referring to, but I have not seen a direct quote from him.
I've heard there's a speech that he gave that he talked at length about his support of Judeo-Christian values, and I I think Donald Trump is probably like me and most conservatives in the country, where I'm fairly libertarian.
Why do I care what other people do?
That's not that's none of my business.
Well, and that's what I'm saying.
That I when I say he keeps his own counsel, I I'm just being really honest with you.
There are a couple that bother me, but I do think it's funny because I do see him more as a libertarian.
And and he's he's always struck me as the kind of guy where it's like if you're not hurting somebody else, you know, go live your life.
And that's kind of the way I've always thought of him.
And I think that's accurate.
I th and by the way, I think most Americans are that way.
Even strong conservatives like me.
I'm you know what, we're all Americans here.
We need jobs, we need to protect the homeland, and we need to keep the world safe.
That's what we gotta to me it's really that simple.
Yeah, I mean look, I and I I do think that's been his compass.
And you know, and look, we'll see.
You know, I I think every here's the thing, and I think you're right, where all of a sudden you see his poll numbers go up.
I do think that people are, you know, they're they're looking at, you know, a guy who at least seems to not be poisoned by politics because that's been the big complaint about Washington is that people are just so poisoned by it, they lose their humanity, they lose, you know, emotion, and it all becomes, you know, is i i am I gonna gain votes or lose votes?
And I think a lot of people are saying that's not him, and that's a good thing.
But now the issue is what does he do?
And I think time's gonna tell that.
Listen, I I want to hold work out.
I want him to hold him to his promises.
I want him to take on radical Islam.
I think we've got to vet refugees from countries speaking of gays and lesbians where they kill them and that women are treated horribly and told how to dress and told they can't drive or told if they can go to school or work where Christians and Jews are persecuted.
So I think we gotta uh that's why I support extreme vetting.
I think if he builds the wall, if he follows through on his economic growth plan, uh free market health care savings accounts, energy independence, education back to the states.
I think the country's gonna be infinitely better off because I believe those ideas work.
I think Kennedy and Reagan both proved it.
Yeah, I mean, look, again, you know the way this this happens, and it's like, you know, it's funny because uh my training is in law, yeah, and I look at, you know, some Supreme Court justices where presidents were so sure that they were gonna do one thing and they go a completely different way.
Sudder and so I've always kind of been tempered by that.
I mean, I look at Earl Warren and I and and and and and David Souter.
Yeah.
And and you just you just never know until they assume the office.
Congratulations.
The ratings were massive, and that was great to have you on Fox News, and we hope you'll do more.
I really appreciate And Sean, thank you so much for all your support in this.
Oh, you bet.
I I was I I thought it was spectacular, loved it.
Really appreciate it.
All right, my friend.
Thank you.
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