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	You know what, Linda, let's put a poll up now that it's really coming down to Trump and Pence.
	I'm sorry, Trump picking Pence or Newt.
	I'll get it right one of these days.
	Why don't we put a poll up on Hannity.com about the two of them and see uh who does better.
	Uh glad you're with us.
	800 941 Sean, if you want to be a part of this extravaganza.
	Two meetings with Pence, a rally last night, apparently this morning, Donald Trump and his kids, and uh Jared uh Kushner, who is Ivanka's husband, met with uh Mike Pence and his wife, and then a meeting with Newt Gingrich, and there's rumors that there might be a meeting with Jeff Sessions, which kind of surprised me, but I've not been able to confirm that.
	And we're told that Chris Christie may still be in the hunt, but it really appears to be coming down to Newt vs.
	Pence.
	So we are on uh 24 hour 365, although it's going to be probably in the next 40, 50, 60 hours, we'll know who Donald Trump chooses as his running mate.
	Uh we say this with some fascinating poll numbers that have come out.
	If you look at the Quinni Piac poll in Pennsylvania, a state that has been deeply blue for a long time.
	Well, Pennsylvania has Trump up by two.
	In Ohio, according to the Quinnipiac poll, it's dead even 4141.
	In Pennsylvania was 4341 for Trump.
	In Florida, it's Trump 42, Clinton 39.
	Now, if you add Gary Johnson and this woman Stein, it's in Pennsylvania, it's Trump 40.
	It's Clinton 34.
	That's a six-point plus Trump lead in Pennsylvania.
	If you look in Ohio, Trump versus Clinton, and you add the other candidates, these these lesser candidates, well, then it's Trump.
	I'm sorry, Ohio, it's Trump 37, Clinton 36.
	Trump win in Ohio.
	Trump win in Pennsylvania.
	And Trump winning, according to Quinna Piac, when you add everybody into the match, he's up by five in the state of Florida, 4136.
	Pretty fascinating.
	This is on top of the Iowa poll.
	Whereas Clinton uh 42, Trump 44.
	By the way, uh Senator Grassley is winning that race.
	He's plus ten.
	I think he'll do better than that when all is said and done.
	That would be my guess.
	Rasmussen has the president's job approval at disapproved three.
	He's at 48%, which is a number that would certainly, by every past indicator and measure, help the party out of power win the White House.
	No doubt about that.
	If you look at another Florida poll, we got JMC Analytics, you got Trump plus five in Florida.
	You have Clinton plus seven, a Harper poll out of Colorado.
	Uh if you look at Marco Rubio's race, he's now up by seven in the race.
	Well, he's actually up by eight against Grayson.
	He'd be up by seven against Murphy.
	And for those of you that complained to me that Marco Rubio is running, we need Marco Rubio's vote.
	We need him in the U.S. Senate.
	Well, he went with comprehensive immigration reform.
	And you know what?
	He's learned a lesson and paid a price and he's apologized.
	I don't want to ever talk about it again.
	I don't ever want to talk about it ever again, ever.
	That's it.
	He's going to vote for Supreme Court justices that are that believe in our constitution, co equal branches of government, separation of powers, religious liberty and freedom, and our second amendment rights.
	There's too much at stake here.
	You've got to look some of you at the big picture.
	I'm not talking anymore.
	I'm tired of you anti-Trump people or never Trump people.
	Uh you want Hillary to appoint Supreme Court justices, you can have her.
	That's your choice.
	And I'll tell you right now, if at the end of the day, at the end of the day, Hillary wins a close election, I'm blaming all of you anti-Trumpers.
	You're responsible for this.
	All the the Paul Ryans of the world that can't find it in their heart to endorse or some of the other presidential candidates that went against their own word that they would support the eventual nominee.
	Sick of everybody.
	Everyone's got their own personal selfish agenda, and if it's not about me, me, me, me, me, then it's a it's a big problem.
	Now there's a lot going on this week behind the scenes at the convention as the GOP now moves closer to the base.
	Uh there's a an article out today that the RNC is embracing a strongly, staunchly conservative position on issues like abortion and gay rights and gun rights.
	They're moving towards Trump on issues like immigration and building a wall and trade and some of the other issues, and so that's going fairly well in Trump's direction.
	For those of you that love Senator Ted Cruz and I like Ted Cruz, we know that he's going to be speaking at the convention.
	Good for him.
	I think he deserves that spot.
	I think that's an important position.
	He's not given an indication that he's going to endorse Donald Trump yet, but I hope he keeps his word.
	I think it's about time.
	Cruz will speak to a gathering for the Council of National Policy.
	I've spoken to them before, a great group, a conservative activists, many of whom backed him in his failed presidential bid earlier this year.
	The CMP is a nonprofit, but some of its members include the CMP president Tony Perkins, he's a nice guy, who also serves as the head of the family research council.
	We have, let's see, the emerging platform.
	This is how the media, the New York Times writes it up.
	Emerging Republican platform goes to the ro far right.
	Do you ever hear the media talk about the far left?
	Have you ever heard the words extreme left wing?
	Well, Obama's an extreme leftist.
	Hillary's an extreme leftist.
	They're both Alinskite disciples.
	You know, he's an acorn organizer, learned at the altar of Frank Marshall Davis, a a known communist.
	We know that he has a belief about Islam based on his upbringing, his father being Muslim, and and others in his life that he knew that were Muslim, and of course he went to a Muslim school that the New York Times reported, Nicholas Christoph, that he said with a first rate accent that the most beautiful moment on earth is the call to prayer at sunset.
	That's the New York Times.
	You can't blame me for what the New York Times reported.
	I did not put up the picture.
	Uh I did not I'm not the one that found the picture of Obama in Muslim garb at a wedding.
	That was not me, but it's there if you want to look at it.
	Hannity, you're saying he's a Muslim.
	No, he went to the church of GD America.
	He went to Reverend Wright's church.
	He believed in black liberation theology, where white folks' greed runs a world in need.
	A world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port au Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere.
	And by the way it is empathy in another hemisphere.
	That's the world.
	And his grandmother was just a typical white woman, you know, just typical, whatever that's a good thing.
	I was making was not that my grandmother uh harbors any racial animosity.
	She doesn't.
	But she is a uh typical white person who if typical sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know.
	Yeah, there's a reaction that's been bred into uh our experiences that that don't go away.
	By the way, did Jesse Jackson not get criticized for saying that he would go to the other side of the street?
	Yeah, he did say that.
	That was years ago, though.
	But you know, I don't think Jesse Jackson's a typical white person like Obama's grandmother.
	Unbelievable.
	Anyway, so as the Republicans are moving towards adopting their platform, uh, apparently it would bar military women from combat.
	Now, why do people do that?
	Why would they say women can't be in combat?
	Well, is it fair to make this statement?
	I want to let you decide that generally speaking, if you're not Rhonda Rousey, who I happen to love because I love and I train in martial arts and mixed martial arts.
	If you're not a martial artist or a boxer, is it fair to say that generally speaking, not that men are better, but that men are generally speaking physically stronger than women.
	Is that a fair statement?
	Could that be One of the reasons.
	You know, maybe we'll do a Hannity poll on that coming up tomorrow.
	We'll see.
	Um if you're a woman and you're captured, does it shock your conscience at the idea of what could happen to our daughters and our granddaughters, knowing the evil that exists in the world, seeing videos of ISIS beheading groups of heap people.
	I don't know why, I guess maybe you want to call me sexist, but if somebody breaks into the Hannity household and I hear them downstairs, it's going to be me saying, Honey, stay there, kids, go in this place where you know you're supposed to go, and I will handle it.
	And I'll go down.
	Now does that make me bam bam or flintstone or Barney Rumble?
	You know, I'll bring Dino the dinosaur Marley and I'll bring Dino the dinosaur, my other dog, Gracie, and see if they can help me, but not sure exactly they'll do that well with it.
	Anyway, so also the public health crisis.
	They're also taking and declaring pornography of public health crisis as part of their platform.
	This is what the this is what this is how the New York Times reports it.
	They're calling uh on a plan to destroy ISIS, belittling President Obama as weak, which he is, ineffective, which he is.
	Can't even say radical Islam.
	He can't say the Islamic State is Islamic.
	He thought they're the JV team a year and a half ago.
	It's pretty said they were contained just before Paris.
	So anyway, all of this now is being put together, but it seems that social conservatives in the party exerted a lot of influence, and I think in that way that the Republican Party principles appear to be heading in a direction that is traditionally conservative with the exceptions of building the wall and trade issues.
	I would say those might take it out of the maybe the traditional or historical norm.
	Maybe is a better way to put that.
	There is a great pro-Israel platform.
	This on the heels of learning that Obama and the State Department tried to fund an effort and Obama operatives were on the ground in Israel trying to defeat Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the last election.
	Anyway, so you got all these poll numbers out.
	It's pretty funny.
	You read the politico.
	A few weeks ago, Politico was reporting that Donald Trump had fallen so far behind, no way for him to catch up, especially since he raised no money and had no organization.
	Two weeks later, here's the headline on Politico.
	Swing state stunner.
	Trump has edge in key states.
	New swing state polls released Wednesday by Quinnipiac University, so Trump leading Clinton in Florida and Pennsylvania.
	Well, in the race as it's actually going to be, he's winning in Ohio too.
	Yeah, those are very key states.
	So it's come down to Gingrich and Pence.
	Um why have I been saying I prefer Gingrich?
	For me, um I was there.
	I've known Newt Gingrich since 1990.
	We've been friends for all that time.
	I MC'd the event in Georgia at the Cobb Galleria in 1994, the night that he was elected speaker.
	I watched him almost single-handedly put together the plan, the contract with America that was predated by something that was called renewing American Civilization, a series of tapes that he put together, and it helped candidates learn about the issues and the things that they should stand for and be passionate about.
	Then he followed through on the promises.
	He said, We'll vote on these ten items in a hundred days and we're going to do that.
	We may not pass them, but we're going to vote on them, and they did it.
	And then the end result was that he was willing to shut down the government.
	He was willing to fight.
	He stepped on toes.
	He probably doesn't vet as well as Mike Pence because he's more controversial.
	He was far more transformative, though, than any other modern political figure.
	There are really two moments of conservatism where it advanced and transform the country for the better.
	The Reagan years, where we ended the Cold War, well, right after he got out of office, and literally created twenty one million new jobs.
	We doubled revenues to the federal government.
	Net reduction in taxes was historic by Reagan.
	It was one slight adjustment.
	And we had a b the country was better.
	Newt Gingrich Got us to a balanced budget and a surplus.
	By the way, the poll is up.
	Should it be Pence or Newt?
	Newt or Pence.
	You can go to Hannity.com right now and make your voice heard.
	And I'll mail it over to the Trump campaign.
	See what they say.
	Vote for whoever you want.
	Can you vote as often as you want or just once?
	Just once.
	Okay.
	You sure?
	All right.
	You know the media's going to check that.
	You can vote as many times as you want, and Hannity lied.
	I don't have anything bad to say against Mike Pence.
	Nothing.
	I like him as a matter of fact.
	I think he's a good man.
	And I'm sure he vetted easier than Newt.
	And I'm sure the media will try and dig up everything they can on Newton.
	And he's younger and he's got some other things.
	He's done a good job in Indiana.
	He was a good congressman.
	The reason I like Newt is because I don't think there's anybody that communicates as intelligently and as effectively as Newt does.
	And when it comes to prosecuting the case against Hillary, that vice presidential candidate is going to need to do that effectively.
	I don't think there's anybody that can sell Trump as well as probably Newt Gingrich can because he's so smart and bright and articulate.
	I don't think anyone has the track record.
	I don't think anybody is going to be able to deal with a hostile Congress as effectively as Newt Gingrich.
	And I think he'd be a great surrogate for Trump.
	And the other big reason I'd give is God forbid 9-11, Pearl Harbor, some horrific event, financial collapse happens.
	I want Newt in the room as one of the top advisors.
	So that's why I pick him.
	And I think when he speaks, he commands attention.
	This is not in any way saying anything negative against Mike Mike Pence.
	I think Pence is the more vanilla safe choice.
	It might oh some of the donor class might be relieved.
	Oh, not another fire brand.
	But I don't think this is a time for half measures.
	I don't.
	I think this is a time if we want to.
	Donald Trump is proposing a transformative agenda.
	And if he wants to be a successful governing president and really get things done, he's going to need a strong partner.
	So at the end of the day, it's his decision.
	He has to make that decision alone, and that's what presidents do.
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	Hey, I want to give a shout out to my friends in Atlanta today.
	I have four wonderful years of my life down there.
	And every year now, for about a decade...
	Is that about right?
	I'd say close.
	I'd ask Condus Presley about it, but or Greg Mochery or Pete Sprigs.
	But anyway, they have what's called the WSB Curathon.
	And in every past year, what we would do is we would devote an hour of the program for WSP, but because of my crazy insane schedule in the news, I just wasn't able to do it this year.
	But they have associated themselves, they raise millions of dollars every year.
	And it's for the AfLAC Children's Hospital Cancer Center.
	And I've never met a group of people so dedicated to helping these young kids that are in the fight of their lives than the people at the Aflack Cancer Center.
	No other radio station in America that can do this kind of wonderful work like WSP does.
	And my friends and colleagues like Scott Slade and of course Herman Cain is a part of this and Clark Howard is a part of this, and the whole WSB team is a big part of it.
	And they've raised millions.
	Anyway, the Curathon is going on there, and they raised a fortune.
	I'll give money again this year like I have in past years.
	And uh anyway, if you want to know more about it, you can go to WSBradio.com slash curaton.
	No child is ever turned away because of the inability to pay.
	Never.
	And they have they're on the cutting edge, literally the precipice of the best research for children and cancer and cancers like leukemia and some others.
	So we also put it on my website, Hannity.com.
	While you're there, you might want to vote.
	It's either Newt or Pence because it seems to be coming down to those two.
	And I'll get back to that in a minute.
	You know, I I mentioned a minute ago that the Darae McKesson is at the White House, this leader of the Black Lives Matter movement, had a fight with him on TV one night.
	Anyway, that's the group that has members chanting pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon, and what do we want dead cops?
	When do we want them now?
	So they're burying the cops in Dallas today.
	And at the same time, the leader of the Black Lives Matter movement that is threatened to well protest and cause trouble at the conventions, they're meeting with the president.
	McKesson's meeting with the president today.
	He's in the Oval Office while we're burying these five cops down in Dallas.
	Now there's more news out of this.
	If you doubt that Black Lives Matter does pose a serious threat to public safety.
	And remember, it was a Black Lives Matter March, if if I'm not mistaken, where this shooting of all these cops took place.
	I'm not saying that the shooter, we don't know that he was a member.
	We know that he said he's anti white, although President Obama's the only one having a hard time figuring out why this guy acted this way, even though he told the police chief of Dallas that he wanted to kill white people and specifically white police officers.
	Anyway, uh March Eugene Ratney, according to the Department of Correction Records, was due to be released from was not due to be released from prison until past June 6th after serving half of a 12 year sentence following the conviction as a serious violent felon with a weapon.
	Well, ten days later, Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department officers were called to an East Side address where this guy's sister said he had pulled the gun and threatened to kill her.
	Investigators now report, according to Fox News, and neighbors have confirmed that Ratney only again only served half the sentence on parole was the man in a black lives matter t-shirt screaming profanities at police who actually shot up at Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department officer's house, not far from his own home early this morning.
	The officer and his family, thank God were uninjured.
	Think about this.
	You're in your home.
	If there's one place in the world you should be safe and feel safe, your family should feel safe at your home.
	The officer had just gotten back from work.
	He had not yet retired for the night when approximately 17 shots were fired from a nine millimeter handgun into the house, fence, and patrol car.
	Neighbors recall seeing a man in a Black Lives Matter t-shirt that also had obscenities directed at police walking the neighborhood last Friday night.
	Nearby surveillance camera captured images of a fleeing vehicle shortly after the shooting at 2 A.M. Ratney was driving a similar car, was stopped a few blocks later within the hour.
	During his interrogation by the Indianapolis police, Ratney denied the shooting, became irate, cursed the officers, and urinated in the interview room.
	Wow.
	It's pretty scary stuff, isn't it?
	Anyway, so let me go back to why I say Newt, which I have been saying for days now.
	I don't have one negative thing to say against Mike Pence.
	I like we Pence is a friend of this program, and we have Mike Pence on this program a lot.
	I like him.
	He's smart.
	I think he's done a great job as governor.
	I know he had a little bit of controversy over that religious issue.
	I forget what the whole issue was about.
	Do you remember what it was?
	Yeah.
	And didn't he took one position that he'd flopped on it or what happened?
	No.
	Well, okay.
	You know, it's not the biggest deal in the world.
	Look, nobody you know what's funny.
	I the Trump team is like out there vetting, and I don't mean this in a sarcastic way.
	The Trump team is vetting all these people for vice president.
	Probably on paper.
	Now this is an insurgent year, and I'm so glad that political correctness is being cast aside this year.
	I think people are sick of it all.
	But anyway, how would Trump vet if he was vetting himself?
	Let's say average vetting book, fifty, a hundred pages on an individual, looking at their finances, past controversies, accomplishments, positions, etc.
	I don't know.
	I mean, on paper, probably you get to page two on Trump, you probably close the book and say, okay, he's probably not vetting as well as any as well as the other people.
	It's kind of funny.
	A little ironic.
	I would imagine that Mike Pence vets a lot better than Newt Gingrich.
	But I don't think this is impactful in a year like this.
	I think what's impactful when you have ninety-five million Americans out of the labor force, when you've doubled the national debt, when you have fifty million people in poverty, 46 million on food stamps, millions more than what we had eight years ago, when you have one in six American men eighteen to thirty-four, either in jail or out of the labor force, when you have one in five families that don't have a single family member working, not one person.
	I think it speaks volumes.
	When you see the disaster of Obama's pull out of Iraq, when you see the disaster of what he did with Syria in the red line in the sand, when you see the vacuum that was created for ISIS in Iraq and Syria and cities that Americans fought blood and died for, Ramadi and Mosul and pollution to Crete in the hands of ISIS, along with the oil resources.
	Trump was right, we probably should have taken it.
	Given that money to the military.
	Anyway.
	Oh, so here's the thing on Pence.
	I'll get to that in a second.
	So, you know, you look at you look at now, we know that the president of the United States' campaign team with taxpayer dollars actually went out there to Israel to actively campaign against one of our closest allies.
	You know, you look at the a president that can't identify radical Islam for what it is.
	A president that called the ISIS the JV team.
	What?
	Less than two years ago.
	He said they were contained just before the attacks in Paris.
	I've never met somebody so wrong so often on radical Islam than him.
	A guy that gave the head of the Muslim Brotherhood after the Arab Spring, Mohammed Morsi, a guy that once referred to the Israelis as descendants of apes and pigs.
	Well, he helped him out.
	He gave him tanks, F 16s, and one one and a half, you know, billion taxpayer dollars.
	President that gives the Iranians the number one state sponsor of terror, 150 billion dollars.
	I just don't think anything can get worse.
	So I think it's a transformative year.
	How big an impact will the vice presidential selection be?
	I don't know.
	So I have nothing bad to say about Pence.
	I don't think that Chris Christie, who I do like a lot personally, I think he's a very good man.
	I think he would have done a lot better, but he had a horrible legislature in New Jersey.
	And the state was downgraded quite a few times when he was governor.
	I do think he will be a part of Trump's team.
	I do think Rudy Giuliani will be a part of Trump's team.
	I think you can watch for people like Pam Bondi in Florida, the attorney general down there.
	She'd be a rock star on the team.
	I think Ben Carson would be incredible as either Surgeon General or the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
	I think Flynn was going to be a part of the team.
	I'd like to see Bobby Gendal in there.
	You're going to add other names like Alan West, and there's a great bench of people to tap into.
	But this the job of vice president is unique and special in this way.
	In every campaign, a vice presidential nominee is the guy that is the point person to deconstruct the opponent on the other side.
	I don't think there's anybody smarter, more intelligent, that commands more attention when they speak than Newt Gingrich.
	I watched Pence give his speech last night.
	It was fine.
	He used notes.
	Newt doesn't use notes.
	I know because I used to MC his events all the time in in Georgia.
	I'd be up on the dais with him five minutes before he's about to take the podium every time.
	Hannity, you got you got a pen?
	Yeah.
	And more often than not, he would write on a cloth napkin.
	Because he didn't have any paper with him.
	And I'd watch him, you know, I just kind of observe.
	He'd write five things down, then give a forty-five minute extemporaneous speech that would dazzle people.
	Incredible, incredible Orator.
	Credible intellect.
	So who so these are the questions for me.
	Who would best prosecute the case against a corrupt, crooked Hillary Clinton?
	I think it would probably be Newt.
	He'd be the most articulate.
	Who would make the case for Trump's very bold agenda?
	He wants to build the wall.
	He wants to balance the budget.
	He wants health care savings accounts.
	He wants more drilling, more coal mining, he wants fracking, he wants nuclear technology.
	Wants to fix the VA.
	That's going to be a mess.
	He wants to build up the military.
	He wants education, choice, back to the states.
	He's willing to identify ISIS as the modern day Nazism it is.
	So the person that could best prosecute the case against Hillary, I think is Newt.
	The person that could best make the case for Trump as vice president, I think is Newt.
	The person that you would want in the room, if God forbid something horrific happened, like a 9-11, a Pearl Harbor, a financial crisis, a depression.
	All these things can happen.
	I want Newt right there at a top seat in power because I think he's smart.
	Nobody has the historical reference that he has.
	I think that, you know, nobody can beat Newt Gingrich in a debate.
	If I'm a Democratic presidential candidate and I got to debate Newt Gingrich, I'm not happy about it.
	And I don't think Newt would be mean.
	I think he would be effective.
	I think that Newt is a solutions oriented, transformational.
	He believes in transformational governments.
	I don't think this is a time for half measures.
	Oh, maybe we'll have the 30 year plan to balance the budget.
	We'll build the wall.
	First we'll have amnesty and then we'll build the wall and it never gets built.
	Education will go back to the states in 50 years.
	And we'll do energy independence nine years from now.
	I think we'll identify ISIS in a couple of years after something horrible happens.
	This is a pretty bold transformative agenda that I have quizzed and questioned and asked Trump about repeatedly.
	And I hope he follows through on his promises.
	Jeb Bush was saying the other day, he's never going to build that wall.
	If he doesn't build the wall and we elect him, I'll be livid.
	Because that's one of his main promises.
	So prosecuting the case against Hillary, making the case for Trump, somebody that can deal with Congress.
	I didn't bring that up.
	Donald Trump will face a hostile Republican Congress.
	Paul Ryan will not agree with him on trade.
	Paul Ryan is going to oppose him on issues like immigration.
	He's going to oppose him, you know, the vetting of people that come from countries that practice Sharia.
	That's a problem.
	So you're going to need somebody strong and forceful and powerful that's going to advance the agenda.
	Look, there's two parts of this.
	You got to win, then you got to govern.
	And if you're going to make promises to make the country great, you've got to have strong leadership.
	And I think the one guy that would command that attention would be Newt.
	Now, some of you support Mike Pence.
	Hannity, what about Mike Pence has done a great, yeah, I agree with you.
	I like Pence.
	I think I would think of a million positions for him, but I would make Newt the VP if I if anyone asked my opinion.
	I've already stated it.
	We put up on Hannity.com Pence versus Newt, Newt versus Pence.
	I'm looking, I'm pulling it up right now.
	2,962 votes.
	We just put it up.
	That's a lot of votes quickly.
	For Newt, 480 for Pence.
	Wow.
	I didn't vote yet.
	I'm voting now.
	I'm voting for Newt.
	I told you who involved, but I don't want to want to influence people how they vote.
	Vote your conscience.
	Vote how you feel.
	So we should know, I would guess the earliest tomorrow, the latest by Friday.
	If I had to guess Friday.
	If I had to guess what the odds are, if you want me to be blunt, should I be blunt?
	I'm asking you, should I be blunt?
	That's a question.
	I'd probably say the people around Trump probably want him to go safer.
	What will Donald Trump do, though, is the question.
	If he listens to the people around him, I'd say they go Pence.
	If he wants to go bold, he goes Newt.
	I think that's what this choice comes down to.
	I don't think there's anything wrong with Pence.
	I like him.
	I hope he'd be as I I'd hope he'd maybe even surprise us and be bolder than I think he is.
	If he gets picked.
	But I just don't have a crystal ball.
	I don't know.
	That's what my guess would be.
	What is Trump gonna do?
	Trump has not been anything but bold this entire campaign.
	So that makes it interesting.
	All right, hour two, Sean Hannity show, right down our toll for your uh telephone number.
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	It's eight hundred nine four one Sean.
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	Uh anyway, so we have new poll numbers out today, and with all the talk about meeting with Pence and meeting with nude and meeting with Sessions, and I would assume within the next forty-eight, seventy-two hours we will know who Donald Trump selects as his vice presidential running mate.
	And for months now, the experts have been telling you, the American people, that Hillary Clinton has a virtual lock on the electoral college, which would make it almost impossible for Donald Trump to win.
	Now on paper, there's some truth to that.
	I mean, if you look historically at elections since Reagan, Republicans need to run the table.
	They need to win Florida.
	They need to win Ohio.
	They need to win North Carolina, Virginia, Iowa, New Hampshire.
	Uh certainly New Mexico's a big state, Colorado's a big state.
	And they're but they they've had a very hard time in states like Pennsylvania.
	Well, the latest Quinni Piac poll numbers, well, just tear that whole narrative that the electoral college is gonna stay the same this year.
	New numbers suggest that Clinton's scandals are causing her to lose very important ground to Donald Trump.
	Clinton lost an eight-point lead in Florida, where Trump is uh literally now up in one poll by six points, according to respondents in the Quinni Piac poll, it's forty-two thirty-nine.
	In Pennsylvania, the polls showed that Trump had forty-three percent to Clinton's forty-one percent.
	The margin of error there is only three percent.
	In Ohio, uh it showed both voters tied at forty-one percent.
	And even though Trump leads in Florida, voters think that Clinton, in that case, has some advantages, but they think Trump is more trustworthy.
	Fifty to thirty-seven percent.
	Joining us now are two of the best pollsters in the country, Jim and John McLaughlin.
	It's amazing that Jim learned to show up on time for once.
	Well, welcome, and I heard it was your birthday yesterday.
	Welcome back to the program.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	And always a pleasure, Sean.
	Let's start, John, with you.
	How do you read these new state-by-state polls?
	Because in all honesty, at this point, national polls don't really mean a whole lot, do they?
	Well, the they certainly there's a mood, but I tell you, these three polls and the the the real story that's not getting highlighted by those Quinnipiact polls is that in the actual four four-way race, when you mentioned that there's a libertarian Gary Johnson on the ballot and the Green Party candidate Jill Stein, Trump's lead ex actually goes up.
	Where in Florida he's leading by fine, 4136 and Johnson gets seven percent and and Stein gets four percent.
	And the Oh in Ohio, he's up one point, and in Pennsylvania he's up six points in the four-way match.
	So and that's the reality of the ballot, because there's there are can there are voters who are unfavorable to both candidates, and the uh and the real story in those polls is that Hillary's negatives, whether it's because of the FBI story or as much as the estimate of the tragedy in Dallas, her negatives are gone up where she's less popular than he is in these in these battleground states, and we're seeing it in all the polls around the country.
	Well, do you think this is something that is this a pre-convention bump, or is this not even in any way tied to the convention?
	I think the convention it it it goes to the theory that it's gonna make it much harder for Hillary to get rid of her negatives.
	Because we've known her for twenty-five years.
	For twenty-five years she's been corrupt, dishonest, unethical, lies, and whether it's Travel Gate or whether it's Whitewater, or now it's it's the the server scandal, and plus the FBI didn't comment on whether there's an ongoing investigation into the Clinton Foundation donations.
	So and the six was in.
	Everybody knows it.
	The majority voters think she should have been prosecuted.
	So uh uh the character problems on her part are not going away while Trump is using this time to actually let his negatives go away and try to build some favorables.
	There seems to be a lot more discipline in the Trump campaign everything from tweeting and social media uh using a teleprompter more there seems to be a lot that a lot has changed in the Trump campaign.
	Well, it's clearly to get more serious.
	And he's a, as you know, you know, I'm working for him now and doing some state work on his polling team.
	But whenever I've met with him, he listens to good advice.
	And it's pretty clear that he was getting burned by some of the media coverage of certain things.
	So the extra discipline, by saying less and doing less, he's getting more.
	Like two days ago, the story was he's the law and order candidate at the right time.
	And he was, he was, he was, his remarks were on target.
	They were the most, majority Americans said that person could be a leader that person could be president.
	Alright let me ask about the events.
	Well when you have an incident like what happened in Orlando you have terror attacks, you have cops being assassinated and you have a president that plays racial politics I mean I I can't believe all the times where there's a h high profile case that's racial he speaks out and he gets involved and he does so without any evidence or due process and meanwhile he ignores the three thousand four hundred and seventy two murders in Chicago just during the time that he's been president.
	He only mentioned that nine times and then Hillary seems to agree with him on the Black Lives Matter movement which you know they're shouting and chanting pigs in a blanket fry him like Bacon and and things like what do we want dead cops when do we want 'em now is this going to impact the electoral base?
	Yeah is I don't think there's any question about that Sean that it is.
	And I think to be honest with you, that's one of the biggest disappointments that people have right now with Barack Obama, especially Republicans and conservatives who, you know, obviously had disagreements the vast majority of them voted against him, you know, and they voted for Mitt Romney in the last election.
	But there was one thing we all were kind of as Americans we wanted him to bring our country together.
	This was a historic moment.
	We're electing our first African-American president, and he hasn't done that.
	And I think a lot of folks rightfully feel, and you saw a lot of it yesterday with the ceremony in Dallas, and I know a lot of liberals, a lot of press are saying, wasn't he wonderful?
	But did you notice that George Bush spoke for about, what, two, maybe three minutes, and it was all about the service of the five police officers, whereas you have barack obama making the speech about himself making it about his political and his issue agenda, which isn't what Americans want right now.
	They want somebody who's going to bring America together.
	And I think the problem is for Hillary Clinton, they think she's just as dishonest and just as divisive as President Obama is.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's very interesting because I think the country is going to have a very clear choice.
	Are we going to really engage radical Islam?
	Are we going to allow more radicals back into the White House?
	Because Hillary, associating with Black Lives Matter, she's literally trying to get advice on criminal justice.
	justice reform from them.
	Yeah by the way and Sean one of the big points that people are talking about in the uh you know in the three swing state polls is this is who they say would be most effective against ISIS Trump in Florida has an eighteen point advantage.
	In Ohio he has an eleven point advantage and in Pennsylvania he has a twelve point advantage.
	So these events that are happening right now where people don't feel safe it's helping and you can see it working to uh Donald Trump's advantage.
	Yeah I think so.
	All right let's talk about the states that he Donald Trump needs to win and obviously Florida and Ohio are right at the top of the list but I think you also have to add North Carolina to that list.
	Uh if he gets Pennsylvania it's a game changer.
	If he's able to put New Jersey in play it's a game changer.
	Um we see that he's winning in an Iowa poll that came out this week.
	We see that he's doing well in New Hampshire and some other places.
	What states must he win John McLaughlin to become that the 45th president of the United States.
	Well I think I think he's putting states in play that the Republicans have have not had him play for a long time.
	And and uh you know I used to kid Carl Rove that in 04 he he was only playing in certain states and while the after and after nine eleven the president was popular in New York President Bush because he'd done so much for us after that terror attack but they chose not to play here and we ended up losing.
	Trump is actually playing hard in the Northeast whether it's Pennsylvania by the way, if he puts Pennsylvania in play, New Jersey, there's been polls that have been close to New Jersey and Connecticut, and there's actually talk of him playing in New York.
	So we're we're definitely, you know, he's got support in New York that Republicans aren't used to seeing for decades.
	So the ones that are must wins like North Carolina's a must-win Florida, certainly.
	Uh you know, he could surprise in Virginia because you're looking at this four-way ballot and the libertarian votes that have come away uh coming away from Hillary, I think.
	And and he's got Michigan in play and Wisconsin in play that people aren't used to seeing this.
	So uh um so I think the map is bigger this time, and and in a multi-candidate race where Hillary Clinton has these negatives, uh a lot of things that weren't possible maybe in the last couple elections are are very possible this election.
	What do you think, Jim?
	Yeah, and I don't think there's any question to go back, you know, what you said.
	I think the Republicans have to win Florida, they have to win Ohio.
	But I think they have a real shot in a place like Pennsylvania, which they haven't won since nineteen eighty eight.
	And the reason the reason I think they have a real shot there is a lot of problems in the economy in Pennsylvania, and they're putting the blame on on Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.
	One of the questions they asked in the Quinnipiact poll was whether folks felt that uh they were falling behind economically.
	And in Pennsylvania, people think sixty-three percent, nearly two thirds of the voters say they're falling behind economically.
	It was about six out of ten in both Florida and Ohio.
	So all this nonsense they're hearing about how wonderful the economy is, and Sean, you're extremely articulate on this.
	There's n over ninety million Americans out there looking for jobs and looking for better jobs, and and they don't buy that five percent number that folks are telling us in terms of the unemployment rate right now.
	I was doing some focus groups recently, and literally when we asked folks, and these were swing voters about the five percent unemployment rate, they laughed at us.
	They said there's no way, and there were people telling us, oh, unemployment's really a twenty, twenty-five percent.
	They get it.
	They understand what's going out there in America.
	And I think the ultimate politician in terms of being out of touch on this is Hillary Clinton, and that was one of the problems she had to do to win the Democratic primary was she had to hug the o Obama economy, which was the right thing to do to win the Democratic uh uh primary, but it's not the right thing to do to win in these important battles.
	Well, I agree.
	He pulled her very far to the left.
	That was actually a big part of my opening monologue yesterday, because I think that's gonna impact the race, especially if the Republicans use it well.
	Uh again, a lot of this is how people campaign.
	I guess the the next most important issue is in this d do you think in any way that any of the vice presidential names we keep hearing.
	Now the apparently there's a meeting today.
	I know there was a meeting today with New Gingrich and Donald Trump.
	Uh also there's been two meetings with Mike Pence last night and today.
	Uh there's still talk that Chris Christie is in the running, but it seems to be Pence versus Newt.
	What do you think?
	Which of those three, if any, helps Trump the most, John.
	Well, I think I think Newt brings a different level, 'cause there's a strategic edge and there's a network and there's a reliance.
	And it's a different model for a vice president in that similar to way Obama picked Biden, so he had somebody with government experience to get his agenda done, because he was a young senator from Illinois.
	And Bush picked, or W. Bush picked Cheney.
	And uh so Mike Pence is a pop, you know, is a g is a popular congressman, uh governor in Indiana.
	But Newt gives you that strategic edge and that that national edge that it's it's like what Trump's a strong leader, but now he's picking somebody that can actually help him get his agenda done.
	So it it's an intellectual level and a policy level that uh I think all all the Republicans would ex w would respect, and he's been vetted, he's been out there in the national media for a long time.
	So I th I think that's a it's a it's a different model, but it could be very effective for him.
	Yeah.
	All right, let me ask you about Brexit.
	You know, we got Cameron stepping down as a result.
	It ends up that those that supported leave ended up fighting so much amongst each other that they kind of pushed themselves out of the race.
	You have a person that wanted a state, Teresa May now, uh the conservative taking over as the prime minister.
	Uh but what does that vote tell us about this election, if anything?
	What it tells us is people want change, not just in the US, but throughout the world.
	They don't like how the economy's going.
	They don't feel safe when it comes to things like terrorism.
	And I think it's interesting because you know, a lot of those Brexit polls were folks were talking about, and when I saw that, you know, the uh the leave was you know, or the stay was below fifty percent, that's when I thought that the exit vote had a real chance at winning, because the vast majority of those undecided, I thought were going to vote to leave.
	And I think you're gonna see the same kind of dynamic in this presidential election where a lot of these undecided voters, where they're telling you more than seventy percent are saying the country's off on the wrong track, and they know Hillary Clinton, and they've known her for twenty-five years.
	I think the fact that Hillary Clinton in a lot of these polls is in the low to mid-40s, she's not gonna get the vast majority of those undecided.
	I think they're gonna they're much more prone to go to Donald Trump.
	Yeah.
	And I one thing I gotta give you credit for, Sean.
	Uh last year when we were working for when we were working for Netanyahu, you were the one who helped us break stories that the Senate.
	The U.S. Senate yesterday issued a report saying that the Obama administration, their State Department had given 350,000 dollars to a super PAC that was out to beat Netanyahu.
	And you were the one who actually covered the story a year ago, and now the U.S. Senate, including uh NATO.
	And by the way, I and they were up to their eyeballs.
	We had the whole we you and I broke the story together in fairness.
	Right.
	That in fact Obama operatives, campaign operatives were on the ground trying to defeat BB.
	Now we find out taxpayer money was used to try and defeat B. Right.
	And this kind of security issue where we don't know our friends from our enemies right now.
	I mean, that's a huge advantage for Donald Trump to open up a security issue and attract security moms and security voters to the Republican Party.
	All right, guys, uh, you're both terrific.
	Well, at least one of you are.
	Uh John, thank you.
	Uh Jim.
	Well, whatever.
	Uh thank you guys for being with us.
	Appreciate it.
	Well, they're brothers, they pick on each other, so it's okay.
	Federal and state level.
	Um, there are a number of ways in which that could be found.
	You you there's a difference between prosecuting something and whether it's legal or illegal.
	You know, these questions are pretty simple.
	And we got millions of people with security clearance.
	How are they supposed to go through the gyrations that you've laid out in order to make a simple determination?
	Congressman, if we had a specific fact situation or fact pattern, that could be reviewed.
	When it comes to a hypothetical situation, it would be unfair to come up with a blanket answer to someone without reviewing all the facts of their situation.
	I'm asking if it's legal or illegal to share classified information with somebody who doesn't have a security clearance.
	Again, I refer you to the appropriate statutes and I'd refer you to the facts of every situation.
	It would be unfair to give a blanket answer to every hypothetical.
	Why aren't we telling all the federal employees and contractors who have access to classified information, those in our military?
	Why aren't we telling them you can't do this?
	It's against the law.
	Why can't you say that?
	We give them guidance.
	Again, every agency does.
	We give them examples.
	We give them information as to how to make those decisions.
	We show them.
	All right, that was the Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, Jason Chavitz, the head of one of the committees, I guess the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee.
	She refused to answer questions over what?
	74 times.
	Now, Congressman David Trott came to the conclusion that Loretta Lynch's testimony was one big waste of time, as you could just hear right there.
	Either the statute, she's the attorney general, she's the one who that would prosecute somebody if they break the law.
	She's asked very simple questions.
	In that case, can you share classified information if somebody does not have clearance for that information?
	And the answer is obviously no.
	And that would violate the law.
	That would be a penalty.
	That would the statute would be d broken by that individual.
	The law would be broken.
	Anyway, we've got that on the dock.
	And also, if uh I guess Ruth Bader Ginsburg wants to be Rachel Mannow, I'll get into that in a second.
	But joining us is Ken Paxton, he's the Attorney General for Texas.
	Alberto Gonzalez, author of the forthcoming book, Truth, Faith Allegiance, and of course he's the former United States Attorney General appointed in February of 05 by George W. Bush.
	Uh thank you all for being with us.
	Ken, I know you were at the memorial service yesterday.
	We've said it before.
	I can't say it enough.
	Our thoughts and prayers go out to our friends in Dallas and the families and the police officers and their families and everybody that's been suffering.
	Thank you for being with us in this tough time.
	Hey, thanks for having me on.
	And I I would say, you know, Dallas is really coming together.
	I've been really impressed with how the police chief, how Dallas police officers handled themselves and how the community has stepped up to support the Dallas police uh officers and how well I think we've done with this terrible horrific situation.
	Yeah, it really is so sad and so tragic when you have somebody saying, Oh, I want to kill white people.
	Oh, I want to kill I want to kill uh other people.
	You know, I want to kill white police officers.
	Let me ask you about I was just gonna say it's just really it's shock it was shocking.
	You know, I I used to work across the street from where that incident occurred, and for me it was surreal the morning after it happened to be down there with hundreds of policemen and and realize that it happened in my backyard.
	You just don't expect that.
	Yeah, that's so sad and it's so tragic and it's so unnecessary, and the rhetoric by Black Lives Matter and the support they get from people like President Obama and Hillary Clinton really disgust me.
	What's your reaction to that part?
	I totally agree with that.
	You know, I was at the uh memorial service yesterday.
	It's really awesome.
	President Bush did a great job.
	Uh John Corney did a great job, obviously police brown and the mayor did a great job.
	And and actually Barack Obama w was headed in the right direction until he started into the political stuff, which I thought was uncalled for at a memorial service when you have the families there and you have over a thousand police officers.
	Yeah.
	Um I I saw that that's impressive, but it also brings the magnitude of what happened to reality.
	And that's really sad.
	Let me ask you about the attorney general not answering questions seventy four times yesterday.
	What's your reaction?
	You know, I didn't get to see it, but it it's not surprising to me.
	Obviously, they're trying to avoid answering questions because it relates to uh a candidate that they want to be the next president.
	So I think most people understand that she she crossed the line, she broke the law, and they're they're protecting her.
	Yeah.
	What is your reaction to that, Alberto Gonzalez?
	You're a former attorney general.
	If you were asked the question that she was asked by Jason Chaffetz, what would your answer have been?
	Well, I think I would have said, first of all, I uh I need to review the evidence.
	Uh what what the question that I have is, you know, you got uh the FBI director, in essence, uh doing the investigation, collecting the evidence and then weighing that evidence and and making a determination.
	She calls it a recommendation.
	It sounds for all intensive purposes as if he's the one that made the decision not to prosecute, and that's not his job.
	The j that's the job of the attorney general.
	But of course, before the attorney general can do that, uh she has to see the evidence and weigh the evidence.
	And I don't know whether she's done that.
	And that's the thing that really bothers me because that means that we have no way of checking or double checking the work of the FBI, the uh the judgment of the FBI director.
	Uh and I'm not casting aspersions on Jim Comey, but uh that's not the way our system works.
	Um you got uh the pros the investigators and the prosecutors, and I'm not sure they both did their jobs in this particular case.
	That and that's what really troubles me.
	So if she didn't review the evidence, I can see why she couldn't answer the questions.
	Uh so I mean it I think there were a lot of a lot of unanswered questions here.
	Yeah.
	Oh, uh, don't you think as you look at the laws, you understand the law, and you heard James Comey explanation, uh his explanation on all of this, did you find that credible?
	Didn't it seem like the thirteen minutes he was laying out the case of somebody that broke the law?
	I thought given his introduction, I thought he was going to conclude with a statement that that they found it enough.
	Because again, the standard is simply proper to diet is uh you believe that crime is pr uh probably occurred, and I think given what he laid out, uh th that that's probably the standard has been met.
	But again, you know, I without seeing the evidence.
	Uh I'm not gonna rely upon a press conference, 15 minute press conference, or even even a congressional testimony, in saying based on this, the law was broken.
	I want to see the evidence as the attorney general uh to see and make a determination whether or not I agree with you, I disagree with you.
	Whatever whatever your judgment is as attorney general, your job is to prosecute wrongdoing when the evidence is there in your judgment.
	Ken Paxton, did you see laws broken in this case?
	Well, I I would say that it it it definitely was worth looking at.
	Again, I think the attorney general got it right.
	It's probable cause.
	I believe there's enough here for them to to pursue that this particular action by by uh Hillary Clinton.
	So yeah, I think we have enough I think there's enough here for probable cause.
	Let me go to Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
	We have comments that she had made recently.
	She's eighty-three years old.
	She told the associated press that she assumed that Democrat Hillary Clinton will win in the November election, ask what would happen if Trump won instead.
	She said, Well, I don't want to think about that possibility, but if it should be, then everything is up for grabs.
	Now to the New York Times, Justice Ginnsburg made even more clear her distaste for Donald Trump.
	I can't imagine what this place would be.
	I can't imagine what the country would be with Donald Trump as our president for the country.
	It could be four years for the court, it could be.
	I don't even want to contemplate that.
	And then she wasn't done.
	She said in fact she went out of her way to make it very clear that her criticism of Trump was not the result of an unguarded moment.
	Because then she told the CNN reporter.
	He's a faker, she said.
	He has no consistency about him.
	He says whatever comes into his head at the moment, and he she said he really has an ego.
	How has he gotten away with with not turning over his tax returns?
	The press seems to be very gentle about that to him.
	And um she goes on and on.
	Do you think that's appropriate?
	Alberto Gonzalez.
	No, I think I think her comments were very inappropriate.
	I think they hurt the the court as an institution.
	And and you know, the canons, the judicial cannons don't apply to the Supreme Court with respect to making these kind of political comments.
	And but because they because they don't, I think justices have an even greater obligation to be careful in in the words that they use because your job uh is to dispense justice, and that you know, the integrity of the court is so important uh for the American people.
	And when you make these kind of comments, uh I think it it really hurts the court.
	Yeah.
	What do you think?
	If I can ask you, Ken Paxton.
	Sure, and I I I agree with those comments.
	I would also add that it's you don't typically see judges making comments about political races, especially U.S. Supreme Court judges.
	So it's really it's highly unusual.
	I don't recall it in in my time in practicing law, a judge stepping out and speaking out at a political rights.
	It's just very unusual and I think very inappropriate.
	All right, I want to thank you both for being with us.
	We really appreciate your time and your insight.
	And uh Alberta Gonzalez, it's been a long time.
	Thank you for your time and your service to your country.
	Look forward to your book, Truth, Faith, and Allegiance.
	And Ken Paxton, again, our thoughts and prayers go out to the people of Dallas and all the people of Texas.
	They're all friends of ours and they're all on our prayers.
	Thank you.
	We appreciate you all right.
	800 941 Sean, we'll take calls now for the rest of the program today.
	Steven is in Oklahoma.
	Stephen, hi, how are you?
	And we're glad you called, sir.
	Sean, how are you doing?
	I'm good.
	What's going on?
	Well, so I've seen a lot of people talk about, you know, New Gen Richard uh Vice President.
	I know you're a big fan of him, and so am I. You know, uh, I think he seems like a very valid uh person to fill that BP slot.
	But you know, I've seen a lot about Alan West, you know, and he's an African American, he's prior service lieutenant colonel, uh, you know, he spent time in Iraq, uh, he's Republican, was in Florida.
	I was just curious why nothing's ever really come up about him.
	You know, I think Alan West is a rock star.
	I'm a big fan of Colonel West.
	Um I've talked about, for example, a team of rivals, in other words, naming Rudy Giuliani and Chris Christie and Ben Carson and Pam Bondi and maybe Bobby Gindle.
	Uh, you know, any of these people that are available.
	I think Alan West could be included in that.
	I think General Flynn could be included in that.
	Those that list of people would be great.
	Yeah, you know, and I was just thinking though, uh not uh not uh, you know, but Alan West, you know, he would bring uh potentially the block vote and all all these uh you know African Americans, I think that would be able to maybe feel like they could associate with him a lot better than New Gingrich.
	Do you I mean what are your thoughts on that?
	Well, listen, I like New Gingrich.
	I think Gingrich would be a great VP because I think he would prosecute the case best against Hillary.
	I also think he's a great political strategist, and I also think he has the ability to navigate around Congress, and I think he could lay out a very, very powerful case for Trump, because he's so bright, he's a great intellectual, he's also somebody that believes in transformational change, which is what I think we need.
	I don't think it's time to just, you know, tap around the edges.
	I want to see a dramatic shift in the country back to its founding principles.
	And to do that, that means limited government.
	To do that, yeah, I want the border wall built.
	And I can go through my whole list.
	I want the the budget balanced.
	I want Obamacare dismantled and health savings accounts and competition.
	I want energy independence.
	I want choice and education.
	I want to help vets and fix the broken VA.
	I want a strong policy that identifies radical Islam as the enemy of the free world and the force and the decision-making capability to fight it and defeat it.
	So, you know what?
	That's not a time for somebody that's just gonna, you know, tinkle around the edges a little bit.
	I think it's time to really get in, dig in deep, and be transformational, bold and strong.
	Mark is in Lexington, Kentucky.
	Mark, how are you?
	Uh, thanks for having me on.
	What's going on?
	Well, I would love the idea of Newt being VP if for no other reasons the Clintons, excuse me, are notorious for trying to take uh credit for the prosperity of the nineties.
	Every policy that helped it along uh Newt was responsible for.
	As a matter of fact, Bill Clinton signed those bills, welfare reform, balanced budget, kicking and screaming, and mute would be able to give chapter and verse of how she and her husband rejected this stuff and had to be force-fedd.
	I would just so much be love to see that.
	All right, appreciate it.
	You're on record.
	We got you uh down pat.
	Let's go to Douglas in Colorado.
	Douglas, we have a minute, it's all yours.
	Go ahead, sir.
	Hi, Sean.
	Thanks for taking my call.
	I wanted to touch briefly, you know, uh, about General Flynn as a VP candidate, and you know, we've talked a lot about how we need kind of a strong representative within the White House, and I don't think he's it.
	I mean, you gotta look at these top military officers.
	They are the very epitome of what bureaucracy within you know the system is.
	These guys have very little time actually spent on the ground and around people, and I really think that's going to translate into a VP, somebody who's supposed to be representative or even the voice of Donald Trump.
	Yeah, I think the lack of political experience would wouldn't help Trump, and I also think the lack of economic experience, and we have I think the odds are probably pretty good we have another two thousand and eight or worse coming.
	Unfortunately, listen, I wish I was wrong.
	I wish I wish I was so wrong, but I don't think I am, unfortunately.
	All right, eight hundred nine four-one Sean.
	If you want to be a part of the program, we'll take a quick break.
	When we come back, wide open telephones 800 941 Sean, if you want to join us.
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	Race relations have improved dramatically in my lifetime.
	Those who deny it are dishonoring the struggles that helped us achieve that progress.
	But we know.
	But America, we know the bias remains.
	We know it.
	Whether you are black or white or Hispanic or Asian or Native American or of Middle Eastern descent, we have all seen this bigotry in our own lives at some point.
	We've heard it at times in our own homes.
	If we're honest, perhaps we've heard prejudice in our own heads and felt it in our own hearts.
	We know that.
	And while some suffer far more under racism's burden, some feel to a far greater extent, discrimination sting.
	Although most of us do our best to guard against it and teach our children better.
	None of us is entirely innocent.
	No institution is entirely immune.
	And that includes our police departments.
	We know this.
	I'm dealing with a bit of guilt because I don't feel I don't feel sad for the officers that lost their lives, and I know that that's really not my heart.
	I value, I value human life.
	And I want to feel sad for them, but I can't help.
	But feeling like the shooter was a martyr, and I know it's not the right way to feel because nobody deserves to lose their lives.
	I'm so torn up in my heart about seeing these men, these black men being gunned down in our community.
	I can't help but feel.
	Like I wasn't Surprised by what the shooter did to those gods.
	Do you believe that the shooter is a martyr, like you said?
	Do you?
	No, I do not.
	No, not in any way.
	I think the the shooter was evil.
	I think he killed innocent people in cold blue.
	He was these like I agree.
	He was a terrorist, but you called him a martyr.
	Why?
	Well, you know, a lot of the people, the terrorists, that's how terrorism is born.
	You know, when you think about people in other countries who believe and and and religions use this rhetoric to to to convince them that going out and killing people is right for their cause.
	They say you're going to be a martyr.
	And I believe that that's what Micah Johnson really thought, but he's not a martyr to to me.
	He's not for he doesn't represent my feelings.
	He doesn't represent my cause.
	I would never ever condone or support anyone who said innocent people, whether they are on the city.
	You did condone it.
	Whether they are so civilians, you call them a martyr.
	Let's watch the video.
	They should really watch the video.
	All right, that was from my TV show last night.
	That was a former uh the first black Miss Alabama, and she was the one that called the killer of these police officers a martyr.
	Her name is Kaylin Chapman James, and I challenged her on last uh last night on TV.
	There was a really sad story in the blaze today about one of the cops that got killed, and he and his nine-year-old daughter had an exchange just before she went, she was going to a movie, he was going to work.
	And the father actually said, and the the daughter recounted this, that well, what if this is the last time you ever kiss me or hug me?
	She said in an interview with CBS News, but of course, people like Caeland, when she made the comment, I don't care about these people.
	I don't care that they're dead.
	What about this nine-year-old girl that will never see the father she loved ever again?
	By the way, in Baton Rouge, we have uh three arrested and a plot to kill police officers there, all part of this ongoing assault against police officers all around the country, and the obsession now to pull all of this madness on video, live video streaming.
	He had a man recorded himself, apparently inadvertently in this case, and two others being gunned down in Norfolk, Virginia during a live Facebook broadcast.
	Well, you had that woman, where was that, Minneapolis, and her boyfriend is shot.
	It's unbelievable to me.
	And she's sitting there just narrating, not helping the boyfriend.
	Pretty amazing video.
	It was a police officer confronted by a woman yelling at him.
	Where you came from didn't come out of my mouth screaming at him.
	Why and cop asked very calmly, why are you so angry?
	Because you're dumb, the protester gets in his grill.
	Well, anyway, I sat in the back.
	You're still dumb.
	And the officer smiles.
	That's what they put up with every day.
	You have a California councilwoman under pressure to resign over her now deleted Facebook uh post on the Dallas shooting.
	It's unbelievable the things that have been written.
	And uh there's five statistics out there.
	Cops are killed nearly twice as many whites as blacks in 2015.
	More whites and Hispanics die from police homicide than blacks.
	The post uh data showed that unarmed black men are more likely to die by the gun of a a cop than an unarmed white man.
	But this uh doesn't tell the whole story.
	The ratio was seven to one on our unarmed black men dying from police gunshots compared to unarmed white men, the ratio was six to one.
	By the in other words, pretty close in in terms of numbers.
	But uh Heather McDonald pointed out in the Marshall Project, they looked at this.
	The unarmed label is literally accurate, but it frequently fails to convey these highly charged police situations.
	So there is context and there is texture to all of this.
	And you had a black lives matter supporter throw a concrete planter through an officer's window, and in that case got shot as he was assaulting the officer.
	And then I told you about the Facebook post by Black Lives Matter Dallas.
	Good morning.
	In lieu of last night's murders of the five Dallas officers, it is what it is, justified.
	These killer cops have been killing our black men and women every day and getting away with it.
	I have no sympathy whatsoever for those cops, their lives, nor their families.
	You don't give a damn when it's our black men and women that they're slaughtering.
	What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
	And it goes on and on.
	Anyway, joining us to comment further on all of this, we have the Reverend Jesse Lee Peterson.
	He is the uh he has the website Rebuilding the Man.com, author of the book, The Antidote, Healing America from the poison of hate, blame, and victimhood.
	Also, Dr. Ron Martinelli is with us, the truth behind Black Lives Matter and the Movement and the War on Police.
	Thanks both of you for being here.
	Thank you, Sean.
	Thank you, Sean.
	Why Reverend Jesse Lee Peterson, if a group chants pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon, and they chant, What do we want dead cops?
	When do we want them now?
	Why does a president, in the case of Obama or presidential candidate in the in the case of Hillary, why do they bring these people to the White House, and why do they seek these people's approval?
	Because they desire power and wealth.
	And the way you gain that is by intimidating white people and using black Americans in their state of anger.
	As I said night before last on uh Fox uh Megan Kelly show is that black Americans are angry, not all but most, but the anger starts in the home, Sean, and it starts because they are growing up, they're they're coming into a family where the fathers are not there, and these boys and girls are growing up empty, and they desire love.
	They look for the love of their fathers, but they have been told that it's the white man, and we've allowed this to happen for the last sixty years or so, started with this so-called civil rights movement.
	Jesse Jackson and others have been promoting that uh white people hate black people, that they're holding them down, and instead of white Americans standing up and saying no to that, they have caved in and given uh money and power and wealth to Jesse Jackson and others.
	And now we have generations and generations of black people who actually believe in that state of anger that white people are their problem.
	The terror shooter said it, he made it clear.
	He said that he was killing the police officers because he hates white people and especially white cops.
	And if you hear that over and over and over again, especially by the president of the United States of America, then what are they gonna believe in that state of anger?
	And Barack Obama has created an environment of chaos.
	He's divided this country, this uh uh the blacks and the whites more than any other person in the history of America, and he knows exactly what he's doing.
	And for Barack Obama to speak at the funeral of those officers who were killed by the terrorists, and then take that opportunity, that moment to make a political statement for his own personal gain was evil, Sean.
	Uh Barack Obama brought up gun control at the officers' funeral.
	He brought up the justice system was not fair to black people and brought up black lives matter.
	For that man to do that, if white Americans don't understand and good black folks, if they don't see the evil in Barack Obama and what he's doing, and don't stand up and say no to this, we are in trouble.
	Barack Obama is going to be there until no uh December uh January of next year.
	We this incident that happened.
	Let me let me bring in Dr. Martinelli.
	Dr. Let me just say we haven't seen anything.
	I know.
	I think it's good.
	I think things are really bad.
	I really believe that.
	Anyway, um uh Dr. Martinelli, do you want to weigh in?
	Yes, I I do.
	Uh I agree with uh pretty much everything the Reverend is is uh stated.
	The problem that I see is is a forensic criminologist that you know investigates about a quarter uh of these uh high profile national shootings, uh, is that the public from politicians on the federal level all the way down uh uh uh to to the street level people, they have an emotional reaction instead of a studied forensic and informed response to the circumstances of these officer-involved death cases.
	You know, the president himself did an assessment on four of the private cases, uh Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, uh Tamir Rice, and he was wrong four out of four times.
	What we have now is we have the Black Lives Matter movement, which is a hardcore nationalist Marxist revolutionary movement, there is no doubt about it, who is manipulating a lot of the uninformed uh black uh community, and they are manipulating these people, yeah, and it's divided between two groups those in the Black Lives Matters that are the hardcore black nationalist militants, and then you have the manipulated followers that don't know enough about this.
	In my book that's available on Amazon.com, the Black Lives Matter movement, I discuss all of these cases, the founding members of the movement, all the funding, uh we have traced them to Northern Ireland, we have traced them to Hamas, we have traced them to Africa, uh revolutionary movements in Cuba, and the people need to ask themselves why are the founding members and their surrogates going to these countries and meeting with these revolutionary people.
	You know another thing about that to add Barack Obama when that situation happened with Treyvon Martin, he said if I had a son, he would look like Trayvon.
	Uh with the uh professor in uh Boston or in Massachusetts, he said the cops act in stupidly.
	One other example is in uh when he said the hands up don't shoot.
	All those things were lies.
	They were not true at all.
	But Obama did not come back and say, hey, I was wrong.
	Do uh let's calm down.
	Let's not do this.
	I was wrong.
	He has not apologized for any of those things and yet he keep pretending that there's such a thing as white folks hating black people feeding into that anger so that he could get the results that he he is uh getting even a new black panther party said the other day that they're going down to Ohio and they're gonna uh wear their guns they're gonna have guns because you can do it in Ohio.
	No one is saying anything about that.
	These people hateful, dangerous people and anything can happen out there because white Americans are not gonna put up with this stuff much longer, especially what's happened to the cops.
	Sean have you have you seen the uh the print photograph of the uh that is a copy from the ISIS the famous ISIS picture where the ISIS member had the prisoner in kneeling position and slitting his throat have you seen the retouched uh photograph now that shows uh a man in total black guards slitting the throat of a police officer who is kneeling have you seen that?
	I have seen and I have watched every single one of those horrific evil tapes and nobody's ever asked the president or Hillary if they have.
	And you know are you are you aware that the day of rage uh that is have been that is being produced by Black Lives Matter nationally which is going to be Friday July fifteenth uh they're gonna have major protests in a number of large uh urban cities across the country.
	Yeah they say they want to bar they want to barco uh businesses and they're gonna uh start with target first and they didn't want this information to get out in the media so they have this email thing going around and someone sent me a copy of it where they're gonna have this great outburst on this coming Friday and yet the president Sean we are our police officers are under attack.
	They are deliberately being shot at they're being killed at our government our police department no one is stopping it.
	I remember when the Tea Party movement started and it was a good movement the they were not violent but yet they were called terrorists the uh black congressmen pretended that they had called him the N-word it was all lies and they went out of their way to stop the Tea Party movement but we literally have police officers being gunned out and there is no sense of urgency about it at all and it's mind blowing.
	You know, Sean, the problem on my end of it, and by the way, for full disclosure, I investigate all types of cases for all types of entities, attorney generals, offices, municipalities, civil rights firms.
	I do a tremendous amount of civil rights work.
	And I will tell you, having investigated hundreds of these things, the people need to calm down.
	They need to, again, have a studied response.
	They need to let the justice system and the investigative bodies look at these.
	cases and and they will find that the vast mass majority of these cases are justified.
	Thank you both for being with us.
	All right we have so much on our plate today we're clearly on VP selection watch for Donald Trump.
	It's Wednesday if I had to guess we'll know within the next 50, 60 hours who his choice is going to be when that's it seems like it's now come down to Pence versus Newt with an outside shot for Christie.
	But I think it's Pence versus Newt.
	If you want to go to our poll on Hannity.com you can we got it up there just the two of them anyway let's get to our busy uh telephones here Daniel is in Modesto California.
	What's up Daniel how are you?
	Glad you called hey how's it going, Sean?
	So I I have a I have a problem here I'm having some issues.
	Yeah what's your issue?
	What's the problem?
	What can I do to help you?
	Why is it that Black Lives Matter is generalized with the negative comments that some ignorant people say inside the organization?
	Well, let me ask you a question.
	Is black is asking a question.
	Does black lives matter or do all lives matter?
	All lives matter.
	Okay, thank you.
	I agree with you.
	You're right about that.
	But do you say that at cancer rallies?
	Do you say that do you run in and say all diseases matter?
	No.
	Are we br are we talking about cancer in that month because it brings awareness?
	Can I ask you a question?
	Seriously.
	How many people how many when you see groups of people from an organization chanting what do we want dead cops?
	When do we want them now?
	And chanting, what do we pigs in a blanket, fry him like bacon?
	Um do you want to be a part of that organization?
	Say the same thing about Trump supporters.
	I just asked you.
	But it doesn't know any I don't know any Trump supporter.
	No, no.
	Well, if you have any evidence that there's a Trump supporter calling for dead cops, I I would like to hear it.
	But this is the organization.
	These are people within the organization.
	There were a lot of people making those chants on different occasions.
	That doesn't sound like one or two rogue people that support Black Lives Matter.
	That sounds like a lot of people.
	So what about the T rallies that meet for Trump?
	I don't know about any KKK rally for Trump.
	And I know that and I know that Donald Trump is not a member of the KKK, and I know that Donald Trump wouldn't invite the KKK to the White House.
	I know that Obama did invite Black Lives Matter to the White House, and I know that Hillary is seeking out their support.
	So you're not letting me know.
	Donald Trump Donald Trump has condemned the KKK repeatedly.
	When?
	All right, you're wasting my time.
	Goodbye.
	Uh is it Letty?
	Letty in Austin, Texas.
	Did I say that right?
	You sure did.
	How are you?
	I'm great.
	How are you?
	I'm good.
	Glad you called.
	It's an interesting day.
	I just wanted to let you know that I'm a longtime um listener.
	I'm glad to be on the on the program.
	I'm glad you called it.
	I am a vote.
	Thanks.
	I'm a I'm a Trump supporter.
	I have been since the very beginning.
	When I heard he was going to run, I was really excited.
	Um I'm anxious to see who he's going to pick for his vice presidential presidential candidate.
	I know you guys are all for Newt.
	I think Newt's a great person.
	I think he could do a lot for us.
	He's done a lot for our country.
	But I really feel like we need a candidate that can neutralize Trump.
	I think everybody's...
	Not everybody.
	There are a lot of people that are afraid of him because he is such a powerful person.
	And I think that he needs someone to kind of neutralize him, to kind of just tone him down a little bit, and then go forward.
	I think he's going to be a great president.
	I hope that...
	You know, I I hope that well, my hopes are he I would love to see Paul Ryan as a vice president candidate.
	I don't know if that's going to happen or not.
	I I would rather be able to do that.
	Well, Paul Ryan's never gonna happen.
	Paul Ryan's having a hard time.
	He's more critical of Donald Trump than he is of Obama or Hillary, and I'm very disappointed in Paul Ryan.
	The other thing is Paul Ryan said he was going to outline a very bold agenda for the Republicans.
	I still haven't seen it.
	Paul Ryan, unfortunately, has uh not he's been a part of now the he's pretty much become a part of the establishment from what I can see.
	I don't see bold dynamic change.
	Uh I think he's gonna fight Trump on on the issue of immigration from people, poor people from Sharia countries or countries that practice Sharia.
	I think that is a conflict with our own our own constitution.
	I think he's against Trump on the wall.
	Uh I don't see that he's ever pushed for energy independence.
	Um he might agree with them on health savings accounts.
	Maybe they'll agree on how to balance the budget, but I know Trump wants to do it a lot faster than the way the Paul Ryan has proposed, and Paul Ryan wants to touch entitlements.
	Trump Trump doesn't want to touch entitlements, they disagree on trade.
	I think Trump is going to face a very hostile Paul Ryan and a very hostile Mitch McConnell, unfortunately, and I think you're gonna need somebody very strong to be able to go in there and get Republicans to finally do some work instead of being spineless and visionless and feckless and frankly uh cowardly in terms of advancing an agenda.
	Yeah, and I think New Green, I mean, he's he's already proven that he's balanced the budget before, and I think that would be good when we need that.
	We need to make it.
	We need strength.
	We need strength.
	We really do.
	I agree.
	So I just hope that it, you know, he's I'm I'm a Hispanic woman.
	I have I'm a small business owner and and I'm a Trump supporter, and I'm constantly talking to my friends about Trump and they're like, Why would you vote for him?
	And I'm why would you not?
	I'm with you.
	I'm uh I want a bold agenda.
	I want somebody that's gonna rock that that corrupt political foundation in DC because it is so bad, it stinks to high heaven, and that's Republicans and Democrats.
	I'm disgusted with all of them right now.
	Well, I agree, and I I watched Hillary today as she was addressing um a group in Illinois, and I was just uh it wasn't if she becomes president, it's gonna be pretty depressing.
	You know, I'll tell you one other thing.
	I'm gonna take this a step further.
	If Donald Trump loses this election, I'm blaming people like Paul Ryan.
	I'm blaming the quote anti-Trump crowd, uh the never Trump crowd.
	Because you know what?
	They have been more hostile, they have been more vicious, they have been I you know, it's almost amazing to me.
	They're they're more vigorous in their attacks against Donald Trump than they've ever been against Hillary Clinton than they've ever been against Barack Obama's agenda.
	When it comes to Obama, they're weak, they're intimidated, they're feckless, they're visionless, they're spineless.
	When it comes to Donald Trump, boy, oh boy, they're gonna they're gonna hit him, you know, with both barrels as hard as they can to prove that they're fair.
	Well, that's not how Democrats play the game.
	They're gonna rally around Hillary, and it doesn't matter if she's caught on tape shooting an innocent person walking down the street, they'll still defend her.
	It's aggravating.
	Uh thank you, Letty, appreciate it.
	Uh we have Michelle is in California.
	Hey, Michelle, how are you?
	Hi, Sean, I'm good.
	Thanks for taking my call.
	It's my first time caller, but I've been listening to you for uh quite a while, and I just love your show.
	Well, thank you very much.
	What's on your mind today?
	Well, a couple of things, and the first one for me is simple is uh Newt.
	I definitely would love to see him run with Donald.
	And I'll be honest with you, I used to be when Obama fur was first running, I voted for I was one of those.
	I voted for him because I just had I was tired of the ro robot and I felt like I could relate to him at the time, but after that four year term, I was done like my daughter and my husband were so upset with me.
	So I I ne I totally changed over.
	I changed my uh change to the Republican Party and I'm I'm a Republican, so yeah.
	Um second point was uh from yesterday, actually, during the uh services, I was had them on Miami Radio and all of a sudden, you know, going through the chief of police, loved his speech, and then when it came to Obama and he started changing the agenda, I just I couldn't listen to him anymore.
	I was ready to turn off my radio, and guess what?
	Your show came on.
	So I was really thankful your show came on.
	I d I just couldn't listen to the show.
	You have this the this McKessing guy, whatever his name, DeRay McKesson from Black Lives Matter.
	He's at the White House today as cops are being buried to discuss the Black Lives Matter movement.
	Pigs in a blanket, pry them like bacon.
	What do we want?
	Dead cops.
	When do we want 'em now?
	It's terrible.
	It's terrible.
	So bad.
	Terrible.
	But then again, radical Islam doesn't exist, and ISIS is is the JV team, and by the way, the Islamic State is not Islamic.
	Thank you, Michelle.
	Brian in Houston, Texas, KTRH.
	Hey, Brian, how are you?
	Hey, Sean, thanks for having me on.
	What's going on?
	Oh no, and I just want to weigh in on the the what I think is uh the one soft spot and I want to double down on a on a point you mean.
	I think the soft spot in the Trump campaign and the biggest risk to the Trump campaign is the conservatives on the never Trump train.
	And I think the one person that really um gives him and helps him shore up the conservative base is Newt Gingrich.
	And I don't mean just from an optics perspective.
	I think it's you know, uh a unified Republican party.
	And you know, we all know you know Hillary Clinton is self-destructing before our eyes.
	You have a whole bunch of Bernie Sanders supporters out there that feel left out in the cold now that he's sold out.
	I think a unified Republican Party is really gonna help Donald Trump, and I think Newton Gingrich just from you know from a uh a confidence standpoint is gonna help the campaign and from an execution standpoint.
	I think if you couple Donald Trump's platform and agenda with Newt Gingrich's experience and knowledge of, you know, Washington and how to get things done, you really have a potent ticket.
	I I can't disagree with the word you said.
	I've been very outspoken, and I think it should be Newt.
	I've known Newt Gingrich since nineteen ninety.
	I first interviewed him in Decatur, Alabama, when I was on WVN in Huntsville.
	And I got to know him.
	I emceed the event, the election night event, uh, when he became Speaker of the House in nineteen ninety-four, and we've been friends ever since.
	And he's a col well, he was a colleague up until this week.
	He's got suspended because of this vice presidential stuff.
	It's only temporary.
	If he doesn't get it, he'll be back at Fox.
	And so it's a pretty interesting, exciting time.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	I don't think the campaign needs a new face.
	Donald Trump is the new face.
	I think uh Newt Gingrich will just, you know, that's a great way to put it.
	I haven't thought about that.
	That's a great way to put it.
	But he's also a somebody who's has a track record of dynamic, transformative success.
	That's a great point.
	Really good point.
	Uh let's go to Mary is in Cleveland, Ohio, and uh we're gonna be there tomorrow during this program, and then we'll be there for a whole week.
	How are you, Mary?
	Glad you called.
	Um great, John.
	Uh first of all, I'd like to say it's an honor to speak to you.
	Um I I just wanted to thank you from the bottom of my heart for all that you do and listen to you every day.
	I really appreciate that.
	Thank you.
	And I will be working in the RNC.
	That's gonna be a very tough assignment.
	I've listened you're in my thoughts and prayers.
	I'm very I haven't expressed this a lot publicly.
	I'm very concerned about the potential for trouble at both these conventions.
	Right.
	And you know, uh I, along with all uh a big group of my colleagues, we are definitely very concerned in light of the recent shootings, obviously.
	And I you know, I I'm troubled.
	I uh I'm I'm sad.
	Uh and e if I could go back in time and choose a different career path, I certainly would do that.
	But, you know, I I'm I'm definitely nervous and I have concerns.
	I mean, I have a family at home, and it's it's definitely scary.
	I really sympathize for you.
	And I sympathize for your family, because as you go to work now every day for the next week, I know your family is gonna be scared to death.
	Your children are gonna be worried, your husband's gonna be up late, and I am concerned about you too.
	And I will tell you this, Mary, you and every law enforcement person in Cleveland, in Philly, are in my thoughts and prayers and in the thoughts and prayers of everybody.
	Uh I know, good people around the country.
	We're gonna be praying for all of you.
	Thank you for your hard work, thank you for what you do, your dedication, and I I just hope and pray that what I think could happen never happens.
	So thank you for being with us.
	Um it's a tough job being a cop.
	By the way, I want to remind people, many thanks to our friends at WSB in Atlanta.
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