Sean Hannity Show - Hello Cleveland - 7.14

July 14, 2016 - Sean Hannity Show

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Hello Cleveland - 7.14

Cleveland is still celebrating their NBA championship but their next big spotlight will be the RNC Convention. Sean joined Newt Gingrich and others to preview the upcoming convention and the state of Donald Trump's campaign. The Sean Hannity Show is live Monday through Friday from 3pm - 6pm ET on iHeart Radio and Hannity.com. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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	All right, happy Thursday.
	We are on the road.
	We are in Cleveland, and we are at the site of the Republican National Convention, all part of the best election coverage available on your radio dial.
	No shortage of news today.
	By the way, do you hear the open and the president say it's easier for kids to get a clock than it is a computer or a book?
	What world is this president living in?
	When is this president ever going to go to his hometown of Chicago?
	3,470-plus dead people, and he only talked about Chicago nine times.
	But boy, if it's a high-profile racial incident against the police, he's going to rush to judgment, usually be wrong, and inflame passions and raise expectations among people in the community about what's going to happen and what the result is going to be.
	Anyway, so here we are, and it is all over the place.
	And we have Newt Gingrich who will join us in one hour.
	I have just got off the phone with him, and I asked him, have you heard anything?
	And he told me he did not.
	I've talked to other people that say, yes, it's true.
	It's on the Drudge Report.
	Fox News, Indiana, the Indiana Star, the CBS News is reporting it.
	The New York Post is reporting it.
	The Huffington Post is reporting it.
	The LA Times is reporting it.
	The Daily News is reporting it.
	Let me see, let me get everything here.
	The pretty much everybody, The Guardian, Chicago Tribune, New York Times, and that is that Mike Pence, the governor of the great state of Indiana, has been tapped to be the running mate of Donald Trump.
	So I'm pretty confident it's all true.
	I doubt that Speaker Gingrich is at liberty to confirm it.
	I just, I don't want to raise your expectations, but I do want to get into the meeting that he had yesterday, not only with Donald Trump, but with the family and the campaign.
	It was a meeting that was supposed to go on an hour and it went on almost three hours.
	So speculation running rampant.
	Looks like it's going to be Mike Pence.
	As I said yesterday, I've known Mike Pence for years.
	He's been on this program for years.
	And I know that I'm advocating for Newt.
	I've known Newt Gingrich since 1990.
	I know that he's passionate about transforming government and the country.
	And I know what a passionate conservative he is with a great track record of getting things done.
	But I'm also realistic.
	And I have sources that have been very outspoken and telling me that as far as the vetting process went, that and I can tell you, I can confirm for you because I know because I've talked to so many people in the campaign, there were a lot of people who were brought up for consideration here.
	Names that the media was talking about, names the media was not talking about.
	I can tell you Joni Ernst, the senator from Iowa, was being vetted.
	I can tell you that Mike Flynn, General Flynn, was being vetted.
	I can tell you that Jeff Sessions was being vetted.
	I can tell you that Chris Christie was being vetted.
	I can tell you going back much earlier, Marco Rubio was being vetted and that Ted Cruz was being considered.
	All of that is true and I can confirm it myself because I've talked to the people that were up close and personal here and other people that I haven't mentioned.
	Did I say Condi Rice?
	All right, Condi Rice was being vetted.
	If I'm slow today, I've got to apologize.
	So we flew from New York last night, got diverted to West Virginia.
	I got in a cab at 1 a.m. in the morning after we realized the weather wasn't going to pass.
	So we get in the cab and didn't have any legroom.
	And for the next five hours, I was texting with my son, who happens to be overseas at this time, and we were talking about everything.
	It gave me a great opportunity to catch up with him because we were texting pretty much all night, which was a lot of fun.
	But I got no sleep.
	I got into bed at 7 a.m. Eastern Time today.
	I was up at 9 a.m. Eastern Time.
	So I literally closed my eyes for about two hours.
	All right, so it's very rare in American politics for the vice president to be a decisive figure in a presidential election.
	Let me just lay that out first.
	I want to put this in context for you.
	And as somebody that wanted Newt, supported Newt, but I also know Newt also has his controversial side.
	Look, to do the things that he did and balance a budget and a contract with America and give us a surplus and give us welfare reform and shut down the government, you expend a ton of political capital.
	When I'm saying to Republicans in Washington now that you need to use the power of the purse, you need to be willing to shut the government down.
	You need to be willing to defund Obamacare.
	You need to be willing to defund the president's illegal, unconstitutional executive actions on immigration.
	That would mean they have to spend political capital.
	And those that spend political capital, that means they are putting their own personal ambition second.
	And that is why I like people that don't put their personal ambition second.
	They put the principles that they believe in first, and we don't have enough of that.
	But with that said, that means when you're vetted for a job like vice president, it ends up that you end up being more considered more controversial.
	If you don't have the perfect family home life of anybody, even though in America, one in two marriages end in divorce, 50% of marriages end in failure, you know, it's going to be used like a sledgehammer against a candidate running for office.
	You know, Ronald Reagan was divorced.
	It happens.
	I understand it.
	So I have no doubt that that was a big part of the consideration, the vetting process.
	As a matter of fact, I'm certain of it.
	I think I also know, and I'll let Newt expand on this further when he comes on the program.
	And he hasn't been called.
	He didn't confirm anything to me.
	But when I look at all these other news sources, I'm reading the tea leaves, and you know, but he'll say what he wants to say.
	He said, whether I get this or not, and he was very passionate about it, I am committed to electing, helping to elect Donald Trump to be the next president as I believe that his agenda is transformative and needed for these times.
	He's talking about balancing budgets.
	He's talking about conservative justices.
	He's talking about building a wall.
	How many Americans are suffering and not getting jobs with 95 million Americans out of the labor force?
	Well, then you got 11, 12, 14 million illegal immigrants.
	They all want jobs too.
	So you got them competing in the labor force, and that drives down wages and opportunities for Americans that are already here.
	It's nuts.
	That's not fair to the people that are here legally that are American citizens.
	Nor is it good for our national security that somebody could just walk across the border, pay a coyote guy X number of dollars, and get into America.
	Well, what if that person comes in with some type of weapon or the intention of hurting Americans and bringing down an American city?
	Well, that becomes a big problem, too.
	So the agenda is transformative.
	Balancing budgets, building the wall, fixing the VA, eliminating Obamacare, fixing bad trade deals for the country, conservative justices.
	You know, if that list that I just gave you ever comes to fruition, it literally transforms America into what America should be.
	It changes the narrative immediately.
	Now, back to my point, it's very rare.
	And by the way, you can weigh in on this.
	We'll get your calls in a lot of calls today.
	800-941-Sean is our number.
	It's very rare in American politics when a vice presidential selection ends up being a decisive figure in the election itself.
	As a matter of fact, it almost never happens.
	Now, the last vice presidential pick who I would say arguably changed the outcome of the election was Lyndon Johnson.
	And that was even before I was born in 1960.
	I was born in 1961.
	And when Lyndon Johnson became John F. Kennedy's pick, helped deliver Texas and the presidency to John Kennedy.
	And remember, that could have been contested at the time by Richard Nixon.
	And there was a lot of talk about how Richard Nixon, you know, really did win that debate and that the, did win that election, but ended up losing it because of corruption.
	Other than that, to give you perspective now, the outcome has almost always been decided by who is the person at the top of the ticket, and frankly, for understandable reasons.
	Now, there's certain criteria that you need in a vice president.
	I've been laying that out in recent days.
	Can that person assume the role of the presidency if, in fact, God forbid, something happens to, in this case, Donald Trump, the person at the top of the ticket?
	Both Newt Gingrich and Mike Pence checked that box.
	Now, Mike Pence used to be a talk show host.
	He's been a congressman.
	He's been a governor.
	He's been a frequent guest on this program.
	He is an articulate communicator.
	So I think that, yeah, I think he can make a powerful case and prosecute the case against Hillary.
	I just think there's nobody as articulate as Newt.
	But in the case of Mike Pence, Governor Pence doesn't have, you know, some of the controversial issues that surround our friend Newt Gingrich.
	It's just a fact.
	He acknowledges it.
	He knows it.
	He understands it.
	So, you know, probably more true in this election than most.
	And I'm trying to be as objective as I can here because I'm going to share with you poll numbers.
	And there has been a major surge away from Hillary Clinton towards Donald Trump in the lead up to this convention where I am here in Cleveland, Ohio.
	A major shift.
	But Donald Trump is, on his own, a large, a dominant, vivid, if you want to say it, alpha male personality in the sense that he attracts many people to him because of that strength.
	And some people will be against him because of that strength.
	And it's kind of hard to believe that there are many people out there at this point that maybe are neutral about him.
	We know that Hillary has unbelievably high negatives.
	You have 57% of the population that thought she should be indicted.
	And then you got another 65% that think she's a liar, a pathological liar, and she's untrustworthy and dishonest.
	Anyway, for that, as I'm sure, and I have some insight into this process, as Trump was going into the VP selection process, there were some very obvious things.
	The person has to be prepared.
	I think the person has to be able to perform in a vice presidential debate.
	The vice presidential candidate has to be able to sustain the incoming attacks that if it's Mike Pence that he will be undergoing once that media scrutiny comes on, it is relentless.
	What he's about to go through, the next 72 hours of Mike Pence's life is going to be brutal.
	It's just the nature of the business.
	If he survives that 72 hours, And I assume from the vetting information that I have from people that I know, he's probably going to do very well.
	They're going to try and create wedge issues between Trump and Pence on trade and some other things.
	They'll try and bring up this controversial gay issue that took place in Indiana, and they'll try and pin him down.
	I think Mike Pence is too sophisticated to fall into the trap of any of this.
	So if he can prosecute the case, number one, he passes the test.
	If anything happens to Trump, I think he could fill the void.
	He's well known in Washington.
	I hope that he will take on the likes of Paul Ryan.
	I hope that he will take on Republican colleagues.
	I hope that he will explain to them the need for a spine transplant, the need for courage and vision, and a time to get away from fecklessness and actually lead the country.
	I hope that's possible.
	I hope that will happen.
	But, I mean, if you look at all of this together, you look at this, it's certainly time, I think, in a lot of people's minds.
	They want new people in the public eye.
	I think he's far more well known in the case of Sarah Palin, Governor Palin, a friend of ours.
	I don't know if she was quite ready for what happened to her.
	I don't think the campaign helped her out particularly much in 2008.
	And I think in many ways, she was left hanging on her own, and that didn't help particularly well.
	But anyway, when you have this many news organizations saying the same exact thing, you know, you've got, you know, it's a pretty good likelihood when CNN and Fox News, Indiana, and the L.A. Times and the Daily News and CNBC and the Chicago Tribune and The Guardian, New York Times, Indianapolis Star, CBS News, New York Post, Hoving Deposed, I think it's pretty clear what's happened.
	So if you look at Mike Pence, everybody I know that knows him, he's a rock-solid conservative.
	It seems like he would reassure the base that, in fact, Donald Trump means it when he says he is a conservative.
	He has great experience, served in the House and as governor.
	He has a great track record.
	The economy in Indiana is doing really well.
	He's not offensive.
	He's married to his high school sweetheart.
	There's no negative vetting on him that I know anybody can tell.
	I think that his downside is that maybe to some people he's boring, maybe a little vanilla-ish.
	And in a year in which voters have shown that they're in an anti-political, anti-establishment mood, Pence is somewhat of an establishment figure, but I don't think he's particularly establishment.
	We'll find out in the days to come.
	I'll have the first interview with Pence tomorrow night.
	I'm flying back tonight after my TV show to New York, and I assume it's going to be Pence.
	It hasn't totally been confirmed to me, but based on this reporting, it appears that it's going to be Pence.
	And I look forward to spending time with him tomorrow.
	And I'm appreciative that even though he knew if it's him that I was supporting Gingrich, he still wants to give me time.
	Then Trump and whoever the VP is, nominee is, will be on 60 Minutes on Sunday.
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	Well, I see the Hillary Clinton travel pool van just smashed into Senate scaffolding.
	God, I hope nobody was hurt here.
	That's all I got.
	You can't make this up.
	How did they hit the Senate scaffolding?
	I hope nobody was working on that thing for crying out loud.
	Good grief.
	What was Hillary in a rush to get to the Senate?
	Oh my gosh, what do I do?
	What difference at this point does it make?
	Yeah, what difference at this point does it make anyway?
	That's over.
	It's done.
	Imagine if I said that, and God forbid somebody was hurt.
	In the case of Benghazi, people were killed.
	Anyway, glad you're with us.
	Sean Hannity Show.
	We are in Cleveland.
	We're at the Republican National Convention.
	It's all part of the best coverage.
	I'll be headed back to New York after Hannity tonight from the convention center, and we will be the first interview with Donald Trump's vice presidential selection.
	Now, all reports are: if you look at the Drudge Reports, CNN, the LA Times, the Daily News, CNBC, Chicago Trib, The Guardian, The New York Times, The Indianapolis Star, Fox News, Indiana, CBS News, The New York Post, The Huffington Post, and the list is growing bigger by the second.
	It appears that, in fact, Mike Pence, the governor of the great state of Indiana, has been selected, which would mean I would be interviewing him tomorrow night, but they have not confirmed it for me 100%.
	I spoke to former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich before the show.
	He's joining us at the top of the show.
	If anything changed before in the interim, he'll let us know.
	But he had not been informed by the campaign that he was not selected.
	So I would put that out there for you.
	I think I understand completely why this selection was made.
	I think a lot of it had to do with probably the fact that Newt is considered deemed controversial.
	From what I understand from campaign sources that I had talked to, the vetting was that Mike Pence is squeaky clean.
	Mike Pence doesn't have any issues, no dark secrets, no difficulties in any way, shape, matter, or form.
	He has a solid conservative record as a congressman, and he's done a great job as the governor of the great state of Indiana.
	He's a Hoosier, and it's an important state.
	I think it's a state that Donald Trump will carry.
	So it's getting very, very interesting.
	Hey, so I think he's a rock-solid conservative.
	I hope he's able to rise to the occasion.
	You know, the one thing you can say about Newt Gingrich, he has been under the bright, hot lights of national attention now for decades.
	His strengths are numerous.
	His strengths are obvious.
	He's smart, creative.
	He's great on his feet.
	He's an excellent debater.
	His achievements as a Speaker of the House, frankly, were transformative for the country.
	He was the architect of bringing Republicans back into power for the first time in 40 years.
	And, you know, last night when he was on my TV show, I mean, I thought it was one of the best interviews we've ever done together.
	And I first interviewed him in 1990.
	He's smart.
	He was interesting.
	He was funny, objective, persuasive, self-deprecating.
	He makes the case against Hillary Clinton as effective as anybody I've ever heard.
	And I hope Mike Pence can do the same because that's going to be a very important role for the vice presidential selection of Donald Trump.
	You know, I think Newt is anti-establishment.
	He's been against, I mean, he was never a supporter, big supporter of Bush.
	When George Herbert Walker Bush went against his Read My Lips, No New Tax Pledge, Newt was the one that was fighting against him.
	So he's an outsider.
	And, you know, on the downside, he doesn't vet as well.
	You know, it is interesting because on the one hand, in this insurgency year, if you use past political precedents, Donald Trump wouldn't vet very well.
	Well, you said this then, and you said that there, and you said this here.
	And, well, your position evolved on this.
	But people are looking past the stupidity of what is politics now.
	I think people are serious.
	They understand the nature of the times that we're living in.
	I think they understand that at any moment, ISIS is going to commit another terror attack against us.
	We need somebody that doesn't refer to them as the JV team, somebody that doesn't think they're contained when they're not, somebody that doesn't think the Islamic State is Islamic.
	We need somebody that will fiercely build up our military.
	And I think Trump has laid out a very bold, innovative, and transformative agenda.
	And he's going to need a very strong vice president to help him navigate that agenda through Congress.
	One of the things Newt pointed out that I agreed with is: you know, if you look at any legislative success that Obama has had, Joe Biden and his years of experience paid off big time because Biden would go to the Senate.
	He was the guy on the front lines negotiating with those guys and trying to get things done.
	So you've gotten Pence somebody who's a rock-solid conservative that's not in dispute.
	I think for many that have maybe been a little worried or nervous about Donald Trump, I think he reassures the base.
	In that sense, he has a steadiness that gives people confidence.
	He has the experience having served in the House.
	He has a great track record as governor.
	He has a case to build.
	I've done it.
	I've been there.
	What we've done in Indiana, we can do for the country.
	So I think that's good.
	He's not as controversial, not likely to be controversial.
	And I think that's a plus for Trump.
	And I think the value that Pence would bring maybe to the campaign is that he can calm things down.
	Now, I also think one other thing: I still think that Newt Gingrich brings all the things that he was going to bring to the table as vice president to the table.
	I don't think Newt Gingrich is going to stop campaigning hard for Donald Trump.
	I don't think he's going to stop prosecuting the case against Hillary.
	As a matter of fact, he told me before this show today.
	I don't think he's going to stop building up this agenda, which he thinks and he is called transformative.
	You know, he has referred to what is happening in the country as a movement.
	He's experienced it with the contract with America.
	He recognizes one when he sees it.
	He also is in agreement with most, if not all, of it.
	So it's going to get very interesting.
	And I also think that if, God forbid, 9-11, Pearl Harbor, ISIS, a financial collapse, calamity of some kind happens, that Newt is going to be there at the table anyway because he loves his country and is a patriot.
	And he's been a patriot his whole life.
	And he views this as public service.
	So I think that the benefits of Newt will still be there in many, many ways.
	I don't know what official capacity.
	Newt doesn't even know that he's not vice president yet.
	He hasn't been called.
	So, you know, who knows?
	Maybe there's something happening that none of us know.
	In a general election matchup, we now have a dead-even race according to the latest polls out by the New York Times and CBS.
	This is pretty fascinating.
	If you look at the Rasmussen poll today, it's Trump 44, Clinton 37, a seven-point Trump lead in a national poll.
	Now, here's where things get really fascinating because a lot of weak, timid, feckless Republicans have been afraid of how they have to deal with Trump.
	Oh, no, he's controversial.
	He's going to hurt my chances to stay in power.
	Well, apparently, that's not impacting this race at all.
	Now, I think this is great news for Donald Trump, too.
	And that is that Pat Toomey, according to the latest Quinnipiac poll, is winning by 10 points in Pennsylvania.
	That is huge because we had a poll, Quinnipiac poll yesterday that showed Trump was ahead in Pennsylvania.
	If you look in Ohio, Senator Rob Portman, he's up by seven according to the latest Quinnipiac poll.
	Well, when you add all the candidates together, Trump is winning by one point in Ohio.
	If you look in Florida, and a lot of you said, Hannity, why are you supporting Marco Rubio comprehensive immigration reform?
	I said, we need Senator Marco Rubio.
	How many times, you know, look, I know people make mistakes in life.
	We all make mistakes.
	I think Marco Rubio genuinely thought that he can compromise and get a deal done.
	He's apologized repeatedly.
	He paid a huge price in this presidential election over comprehensive immigration reform.
	I gladly support Marco in Florida.
	Otherwise, he's been a really good senator.
	So he's winning by 13 in 12 in Florida.
	That's huge.
	So so-called vulnerable GOP incumbent senators aren't so vulnerable according to this poll.
	Here's some good news today.
	House Speaker Paul Ryan, who's been busy bashing Trump.
	I wish he'd bash Hillary as hard as he bashes Trump.
	I'm getting sick of it.
	Anyway, he's now trying to block the impeachment of Barack Obama's IRS henchman, the guy that some Freedom Caucus Republicans are trying to remove.
	Anyway, the Hill pointed out that in defiance of Speaker Ryan's wishes, Representatives John Fleming and Tim Hulskamp filed a privilege resolution after unveiling plans the day before to introduce a measure to impeach the IRS head.
	By the way, from what I understand, Huleskamp's in a little bit of trouble.
	We like him here on the program, right, Linda?
	He's a good guy, and he's been available to us.
	Anyway, the Freedom Caucus is committed to having this fully addressed and a vote taken that reflects the voice of millions of Americans.
	They have abused conservative groups and conservatives now for years, and it needs to stop.
	It's unbelievable to me.
	Now, what else do we got in the news before I get to your phone calls here?
	Homeland Security, by the way, our Homeland Security chief is Jay Johnson, is concerned that there might be violence at the convention.
	Really?
	Did he figure that out?
	Has he not been watching television the last number of weeks with terrorist attacks and assassinations of policemen?
	Maybe it's time.
	Did you have to go to a special meeting to find out that this is a dangerous situation going on in the country?
	Hillary has vowed to expand Obama's illegal executive amnesty.
	I hope she stays on that position because she's out of touch with where the country is.
	By the way, activists have called for a day of rage and anti-cop protests on Friday.
	The hacktivist group Anonymous is now calling for a nationwide day of rage for Friday, July 15th.
	That is not good.
	That's a week from this Friday.
	That puts people's lives in jeopardy.
	All right, let's get to our phones here.
	As I promised, hold on.
	You've got to speak up on the air because it makes no sense.
	July 15th is tomorrow, boss.
	A day of rage in 37 states is tomorrow.
	I was thinking, July.
	Yeah, I'm sorry, tomorrow.
	Thank you.
	I didn't have my cow.
	I got no sleep.
	Leave me alone.
	I got one hour's sleep last night.
	But I appreciate the correction.
	Thank you very much, Linda.
	You're very smart.
	I'm only here to help, sir.
	Well, you know what last night was like.
	I do know what last night was like, which is why I am not giving you a hard time.
	But you know what?
	We're here.
	I'm glad to be here.
	I'm having fun.
	Every time I come to these conventions, I have a great time.
	Well, you have a great team there.
	You have a really good team out there.
	We do.
	And we all have a great time.
	Sweet baby James was snoring in the car.
	That was okay, though.
	It didn't bother us too bad.
	And all right, let's get to our phones.
	Let's go to Leanne is in Greenville, South Carolina.
	Hey, Leanne, how are you?
	You know, I was in Charleston last week for a day, and then I got called back to work, and then I went to North Carolina.
	How are you?
	I'm good.
	And I have to say, I was really impressed with your presentation at the Conservative Review Conference here in Greenville.
	I think it was in this past February.
	So I got to see you speak, and I was really inspired by it.
	I really appreciate that.
	Thank you.
	Yes.
	Now, my stand with Trump is at this point, we've got to face the music and recognize you went, you spent about five minutes detailing all these great character traits of the VP, potential VP running mates, but why can't we have that in a presidential candidate?
	Because that's really what we need to get behind, and we need to have a candidate that really truly represents conservative values of the Republican Republic.
	Donald Dora, well, Governor Mike Pence is a conservative.
	I don't have a bad thing to say about the guy.
	Now, one thing.
	And I don't know him as well as I know Newt Gingrich.
	I've known Newt Gingrich for years, and that's certainly, I guess.
	And I know his story so well because I witnessed it personally up front and up close.
	But I know the story in Indiana is a very strong economic story.
	I know he's a solid conservative.
	He's been a friend of this program for years.
	And I understand why they might shy away from somebody as strong and powerful and controversial as Newt.
	I get it.
	I'm not, you know, I understand it.
	Go ahead.
	Sorry.
	But what I'm saying is, why can't we have Ted Cruz be our presidential candidate or our Republican nominee because he represents all of those character traits and core values of the Republican Party that you just listed out that we're trying to tie in with a VP running mate?
	Well, you mean, why isn't he chosen by Trump to be the vice president or why didn't Republicans vote for him in the primary?
	No, I'm saying we need to change the course right now at the convention and select a new presidential.
	All right, you're a never-Trumper.
	All right.
	To me, this is a waste of time.
	I'm serious.
	I'm not dismissing you, but to me, Donald Trump won fair and square.
	I said at CPAC in 2015, and I repeated it in 2016, that I will give as much airtime to every candidate on radio and TV, and whoever wins, I'm going to support.
	And I'm supporting the winner enthusiastically.
	I like the agenda that Donald Trump is talking about.
	I like his Supreme Court nominees.
	I like what he says about the budget.
	I like what he says about ISIS.
	I like what he says about the border.
	I like what he says about people from countries that practice Sharia.
	I think that we need a dramatic shift in the country.
	Anyway, North Carolina, Raleigh, Cecilia, we have less than a minute.
	How are you?
	Good.
	How are you?
	Sean, regarding your VP choice and Mike Pence and all of this talk going on in the media today, I really think this is all a ruse created by Donald Trump because he is a showman.
	He loves the excitement.
	He loves the limelight.
	He loves to be talked about.
	And I think everybody's in on the secret except for the American public.
	And that is he loves to be unpredictable this whole entire time.
	And I think it would be somebody nobody has even considered yet or even talked about yet.
	For example, I think it might be either So what you're saying is I'm running out of time.
	You think this is a head fake.
	You think this is all belonging.
	Absolutely.
	He loves.
	All right, well, let's see what Newt says at the top of the hour because I talked to Newt just before I came on the air, and he told me that he had not been told it's not him.
	So maybe this election, maybe all these major news outlets are wrong.
	We'll find out.
	We'll ask him.
	I don't think he could tell us anyway.
	All right, as we continue, we're in Cleveland today at the Republican National Convention, which, of course, kicks off on Monday, our exclusive coverage here on the Sean Hannity show.
	All right, so the Washington, let's see, the Wall Street Journal, ABC, NBC, CBS, the Drudge Report, all reporting that Mike Pence has been tapped to be the running mate for Donald Trump in this election year.
	Joining us now, a man who was, well, right up to the very end, considered a likely possibility as former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich.
	How are you, sir?
	I'm doing great.
	And I've heard the same reports.
	I haven't had it confirmed by Trump or the Trump organization.
	But Mike would be, Mike and I talked earlier today, and he would be a great choice.
	And we both agreed that either one of us would be very happy supporting the other.
	You know, that's pretty good.
	Somebody told me that knows Mike Pence that he, in a private conversation, once described himself as sort of Ronald Reagan, Jack Kemp, Newt Gingrich-style Republican.
	So that's kind of flattering, right?
	Well, it is flattering.
	And actually, he and I did a conference at the American Enterprise Institute way back, I think, in 2007 on the future of conservatism.
	And he started by using that phrase.
	He said, look, I'm a Reagan-Kemp-Gingrich conservative.
	And then we went from there talking about ideas and reform and solutions.
	So, you know, we've always had a very, very good relationship.
	And he's always been a very solid guy.
	Callista's known him since he was a freshman because she was the clerk of the House Agriculture Committee.
	He served on the Agriculture Committee.
	So they actually formed a relationship many years ago.
	And he's just a very, very nice man.
	Let's go to what happened yesterday because I think this was historic in many ways.
	I have a source that told me you were supposed to have a one-hour meeting in Indianapolis with Donald Trump yesterday.
	It ended up going on close to three hours.
	Can you bring us inside the room as much as you can without revealing things that you shouldn't and tell us what happened?
	Well, I mean, first of all, we had a remarkably positive and friendly meeting.
	I've known Donald a long time, and Clist and I've known him for many, many years.
	He's not the same person in a business meeting that he is on stage.
	On the stage, he's a great performer, one of the most effective audience performers I've ever seen.
	But when you're sitting down with him just chatting, he's very relaxed.
	He listens very, very well.
	He focuses on whatever the point is at that moment.
	And we talked through a wide range of things from my own experience having worked with Reagan and then having worked with the contract with America on how do you really reform the government, something he's serious about and really wants to do, to the whole way of is it possible for us to reach out and to truly build a relationship in poorer neighborhoods in America and give people, you know, for example, in Chicago where one weekend they had two shootings every hour.
	You know, can we find a way to go into those kind of neighborhoods that are desperate and hopeless and neglected and have been offered nothing but words from the president and the Democratic Party and really begin to offer hope in a way that might be both would be both good for America, but also might be very, very exciting and change the whole dynamic of the campaign.
	So we really had a, as you can imagine, in over two and a half hours, we had a very wide-ranging conversation.
	And, you know, Paul Manafort was there, and so were Ivanka and Don Jr. and Eric and Jared Cushman.
	And so there was a real sense that it really matters.
	You know, I look back, and we became friends back in 1990, and I've told the story many times.
	I had the honor.
	I watched history unfold before my eyes the night you were elected speaker.
	I was the MC of your event at the Cobb Galleria, and I'll never forget that time.
	But I also watched the lead up to the victory in 94.
	Republicans, they have been out in the wilderness out of power for 40 years.
	You literally systematically built up a platform which then, I guess, crescendoed with the contract with America, but you put together a number of tapes called Renewing American Civilization, and other candidates bought into that, and that led to the contract with America.
	When I look at the agenda you had then, and you ultimately balanced the budget.
	You gave us a surplus.
	You gave us welfare reform.
	Everybody, I think, except maybe some millennials know your record, your track record.
	I look at Trump's agenda as very bold and innovative.
	I don't care if it's his trade policies, which is we need to negotiate better trade deals, that American workers are getting screwed.
	I love his push for energy independence, which he wants to do in a year or two.
	Jeb Bush was on TV the other day saying he's never going to build that wall.
	I don't believe that for a second.
	I think he's going to build the wall.
	And other things like healthcare savings accounts and school choice and education going back to the states and balancing budgets.
	It's a very bold, transformative agenda.
	Do you think he can get these things done?
	Yeah, I think it'll take real work, but I think, you know, I was very encouraged this morning by polls that show that we're now ahead in the Senate races in Pennsylvania, in Ohio, in Florida.
	I think the attrition of Hillary's dishonesty and her corruption is beginning to weigh down on her.
	And I think that we have a real opportunity to see a decisive election this fall.
	If that happens, much as it did with Reagan in 1980, I believe from everything I've seen in working with Trump that he's very serious as a manager.
	This is a guy, I remember, who builds big projects.
	And, you know, he builds 50, 60-story buildings.
	And so I think he wants to take on the U.S. government as a management project and arouse the American people.
	And I suspect he'll spend half his time on the road arousing people to bring pressure on the Congress to pass the key legislation he's going to need.
	And I agree with you.
	I don't see how anybody on the Republican side could suggest that Trump would not end up building a wall.
	Now, maybe in places it'll be offense.
	I mean, we can quibble about the details, but he is absolutely determined to get control of our southern border.
	And I have every reason to believe, based on the experiences in Hungary and Israel, that if you're serious about it, you can get the job done.
	Did this meeting yesterday in any way change your impression of him, your view of him?
	Do you have a better understanding of him spending that much time in that serious of an environment?
	Well, you talked about, let me help you with maybe the answer.
	You talked about two pirates last night, and it got picked up by a lot of press on my television show.
	And I understood what you meant.
	And you've always been an outsider, and in many ways, a revolutionary.
	You took on your own party, and you were hated for a lot of the good things you ended up doing.
	All right.
	Without your coaching, I probably wouldn't have said it quite like this.
	But what's impressive about him is he is a pirate.
	He's willing to break the rules.
	He's willing to go out and do new things.
	He doesn't have any gigantic respect for the establishment.
	And, of course, my whole career I've been a pirate, starting with the Goldwater movement, the Reagan movement, and then the things we did in the House to create a majority, pass the contract with America.
	So we're both happy getting out there and mixing it up and getting things done.
	What's really impressive about him, when you have a long meeting that's focused on real practical things, is how calm he is, how well he listens, and how methodically he thinks things through.
	And again, if you think about his business career, this is a guy who his entire life has been in meetings.
	He's been in meetings to acquire land.
	He's been in meetings with architects to design buildings.
	He's been in meetings with contractors to figure out how to build the buildings.
	He's been in meetings with politicians to get zoning permits.
	I mean, his whole life, he's been very effective in meetings.
	He isn't just a guy who grandstands and does television, et cetera, although he's been good at that at least for the last 30-plus years.
	So it's very interesting to see him in this laid-back, very calm, practical.
	And again, we feel very close to him.
	And Clista and I have been with him many times over the years, and we belong to Trump National out along the Potomac River, which is a great course.
	And we've seen Donald in a variety of settings before he was ever a candidate.
	So I think that also gives us maybe a different flavor that we're sitting down as old friends.
	We're not just sitting down as business partners or as strangers.
	To be so close to this position, and then you read all the reports that are leaking out there and all these major news sources, these are not insignificant sources.
	Does it bother you?
	Did you ever get your hopes up?
	Did you ever think you'd be in this position?
	You know me very well.
	As you pointed out, it's hard to believe we've been close friends now for 26 years.
	I know.
	That probably for you is like, oh, my God, I have to hang out with this guy.
	I have to do another interview with him.
	Think about how young you were back when this whole thing started.
	But what I would say to you is, my dad served for 27 years in the infantry.
	And when you serve in the infantry, you get used to the idea that the Army decides where you're going.
	The Army decides how long you're going to be there.
	The Army decides what your mission is.
	The Army decides whether you're in command or not.
	And you learn to operate within this much bigger world and to accept the fact that that's sort of the contract you have.
	So I think Callista and I approach this from a position that it was a very great honor to be considered.
	It's certainly been enormously gratifying to have so many different people of all backgrounds come out and say, you know, like Senator Grassley, who yesterday said he thought I'd be a great vice presidential candidate.
	But at the same time, we think this is in God's hands.
	And we think that, you know, life will go on, and we have many exciting projects.
	We're working on new movies, new books, things like Gingrich Production.
	So it's not like we have to have this or we're going to feel terrible.
	If we were called to do this, we would serve the country in a direct way, and we would do it 24 hours a day for as long as the country wanted it.
	But if you're not that calling, we'll still have an exciting and interesting life.
	Even if I don't get picked, I'll bet you'll let me come back on the show.
	I think it was mandatory.
	I mean, it's just, I annoy you, but we've been friends for many, many years.
	I first interviewed you in 1990, and we've been through a lot of wars and journeys together, and I consider you one of my closest friends.
	I said that the reason I supported you for this position were for a number of reasons.
	Number one, nobody can beat you in a debate.
	Number two, I don't think anybody has as much intellectual firepower as you do.
	I think you can prosecute more effectively the case against Hillary than anybody else out there.
	That's my opinion.
	I also think that you could build up Donald Trump in a way that, again, your communication skills being a big part of this in a way that others couldn't.
	I also said that if God forbid something happens, a 9-11, a Pearl Harbor, or some type of financial calamity, that I would want you in the room next to Donald Trump.
	Why do I suspect whether you get this position or not, if the press reports are accurate and you don't get it, you're still going to be in that room?
	Am I wrong to assume that?
	No, I think, you know, to the degree that the President of the United States wants advice and counsel, obviously I'm going to give it.
	And I think that's a part of who I am and how I've lived my entire life.
	And, you know, and I would be honored to have a chance to do that.
	And I think in that sense, I was very fortunate in the Bush administration.
	I was so close to Cheney and to Rumsfeld and to others, to Tennant out at the CIA, for example, that I was able to, I think, play a significant role in a quiet, in a very quiet way with no official title without being on a payroll, just because as a citizen, I wanted to be helpful.
	So I would say the same thing here: that I'm going to do whoever gets picked tomorrow and announced at 11 o'clock tomorrow in New York, I'm going to do everything I can to make Donald Trump president because I think a Hillary Clinton presidency is a catastrophe for the United States and would put the most corrupt person ever in the White House in a way that would threaten the whole integrity of the future of the country.
	So I think that's no question in my mind.
	I am totally for Trump, whether as his vice presidential nominee or just as his good friend.
	And as a result of yesterday's meeting.
	If I'm president, I'll do the same thing, by the way.
	My position will be that I serve the president at his request and I'll do everything I can to be helpful to him.
	As a result of yesterday's meeting, do you have more enthusiasm for this candidacy and what it can do for the country?
	I have a lot deeper sense of how really methodically competent he is and how he works on a routine, straightforward basis in a way that I think people would be very impressed by.
	Just explain a little more and we'll let you go.
	Well, I think, again, you see a guy on TV, he rouses up the crowd.
	He's, in a sense, he's dancing with them.
	It's kind of a jazz performance.
	And, you know, Reagan was great at it.
	Trump is great at it.
	Some people just have this skill.
	I think on the Democratic side, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama have that skill.
	Hillary does not.
	And she looks like a caricature when she tries to do it.
	But when you see the same guy in private, and you realize, remember, this is the guy who got more votes than any Republican in history, carried 37 states in the primary process, entered a field of 17, and was the last guy standing.
	And by the way, he did this after becoming a billionaire many times over.
	So this is a very impressive, very formidable guy.
	When you're in the room with him and he's quiet and he's listening and he's asking questions, it really doubles your appreciation of his capabilities and his competence because you realize that behind the performer is a very, very smart manager who really wants to think his way through things.
	And in that sense, I mean, the meeting did was very impressive.
	And I'd never spent that much time in that kind of a straight working environment with him.
	And I thought that this is a guy who could be potentially a very effective president.
	All right, Mr. Speaker, thanks for sharing all of this with us and with our audience.
	We really appreciate it.
	It's historic.
	And I look forward to also seeing you tonight on Hannity, 10 Eastern on the Fox News channel.
	Former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, thank you for being with us.
	Thank you.
	Who are these Democrats?
	It is my judgment.
	Zimesh D'Souza was sentenced on Tuesday to spend eight months in a confining system.
	It all began when the Obama administration tried to shut me up.
	No guns all about stealing.
	What did I learn?
	All crime is about stealing.
	The big criminals are still at large.
	Do you see any reason to keep them?
	The system doesn't go after them because they run the system.
	It's time to go behind the curtain and discover the soul of the Democratic Party.
	The Democrats support slavery.
	This Civil Rights Act will allow colored men to sit at the same table beside the white guests.
	Why has all this been swept under the rug?
	To cover the tracks of the Democratic Party.
	And we're not even talking about ancient history.
	The racism continued well into the 20th century.
	The Democrats went from slavery to enslavement.
	Corrupt big city bosses.
	That's how you get corrupt unions.
	What does progressive actually mean?
	Social engineering and social control.
	The opening video of the Democratic Convention in 2012.
	Government is the one thing we all belong to.
	No, government belongs to us.
	We don't belong to it.
	What are these Democrats hiding?
	This is about buying and selling influence by foreign oligarchs and foreign governments.
	When you follow the money, there are very, very few coincidences.
	What if the goal of the Democratic Party is to steal the most valuable thing the world has ever produced?
	What if their plan is to steal America?
	All right, 24 now till the top of the hour as we come to you from Cleveland and the site of the Republican National Convention, which kicks off on Monday.
	Of course, our top story of the day is many now major news organizations, the Wall Street Journal, CBS, and the list goes on and on, and the Drudge Report all reporting Mike Pence, in fact, will be the vice presidential selection tomorrow at 11 a.m. of Donald J. Trump.
	And I will have the first cable, first TV sit-down interview with that choice tomorrow night.
	And which, by the way, adds a little bit of problem for radio.
	The scheduled time they gave me was right in the middle of this radio show.
	So I have my good friend Mark Simona standing by in case that's the only time that we actually end up doing it.
	You know, my good friend Dinesh D'Souza, he had the film 2016 that blew the whistle on Obama.
	It infuriated the Obama people.
	Remember, he went and spoke to his brother and a whole bunch of other things.
	Now, he's come out with a brand new film.
	It's called Hillary's America.
	I actually had a chance to watch it cinematically.
	It's fantastic.
	I've been telling you that it's produced by Jerry Mullin, who did Schindler's List in Jurassic Park.
	But more importantly, this film takes the central theme of Hillary and the left and the so-called party of racial injustice and social justice and looking out for the little guy and minorities, etc.
	Well, and it blows it to smithereens.
	Dinesh D'Souza is with us now.
	How are you, sir?
	Hey, good to be on the show.
	First, let me tell you this.
	What's your reaction to Mike Pence and the news today that he's Donald Trump's pick?
	Well, I know Mike Pence not well, but a little bit, and he's a very impressive guy.
	I think he'll bring a lot of stability and balance and good sense to the ticket.
	I think that, of course, this is going to be an election between those two larger-than-life figures, Trump and Hillary.
	So it's ultimately going to be about them.
	But I think Pence helps Trump.
	I think he certainly consolidates conservatives.
	He has experience in Congress.
	We've known him for years.
	I said yesterday, and I was very clear about this, I can't say anything negative against him, although I was, obviously, for Newt Kingridge, who I've known since 1990, you know Newt as well.
	Who do you think would have been better?
	Well, certainly in terms of just breadth of intellect, kind of fantastic oratorical ability, a kind of mental agility, and so on.
	I mean, Newt is in a class of his own.
	And so, you know, there are lots of strengths and weaknesses on both sides here.
	But I think in some ways you could say Pence is a safer choice.
	And probably Trump decided he's controversial enough.
	Maybe he decided to just go with white bread.
	Well, understood.
	I mean, if anything, I would tell you in the vetting process, certainly Newt is not going to vet as well as Mike Pence.
	I mean, he has stepped on a lot of toes over the years.
	There's certainly the issue, I guess, of marriages that people would bring up.
	And between them, I guess there's six, and that would be a big issue.
	Mike Pence, I think, married his childhood sweetheart, and they're still together.
	Very different narrative.
	He's very popular with evangelicals.
	You know, but one of the more important aspects of all of this, and I think the role of any vice president, and you were so effective going after Obama, but is going to be who can best prosecute the case against Hillary as being morally bankrupt and corrupt, and that's her.
	That is absolutely right.
	I think the person who wins this election is we can make Hillary the issue, the Hillary and the Democrats and what they have done and what they are doing now.
	The question then becomes, does America want more, want to go from Obama to Hillary?
	Hillary may actually be Obama on steroids.
	And so America is now faced with a very stark choice.
	I think we need to make Hillary the issue.
	Well, I agree with you, and I think certainly she's been hurt, and she's been damaged.
	If you look at these polls that are out today and the polls that came out yesterday in every swing state, now Donald Trump is up in Ohio.
	He's up in Pennsylvania.
	He's tied in Connecticut.
	He's winning Florida.
	He's winning in Ohio.
	I mean, there's a dramatic shift in national poll numbers.
	You got the Rasmussen poll as Trump at 44 and Clinton at 37.
	CBS News, New York Times, they're not known for the fairness of their polling.
	They have it at 40% each.
	And I think this comes on the heels of two of the worst weeks or three of the worst weeks of Hillary's campaign.
	First, it was the Benghazi report.
	And then, of course, James Comey laying out the case for prosecution.
	You would have been prosecuted.
	I would have been prosecuted.
	She got a pass.
	We have a two-tiered justice system.
	I'm thrilled, Sean, that you've taken a peek at my movie, the movie and the book, actually opening next week.
	And what I think is cool is that the Democrats are going to be putting on their kind of bogus narrative.
	We're the party of civil rights and human rights.
	We've always been there for women.
	We've always been there for minorities.
	In reality, the Republicans are the party of the suffragettes.
	Republicans are the party who fought slavery.
	They fought segregation.
	They fought forced sterilization.
	You bring this up powerfully in the film.
	Why didn't most people not know that?
	Why is the narrative that it's just the opposite?
	How did Democrats get to co-opt that issue from Republicans?
	Well, that's because Democrats have dominated the two fields, namely academia and the mainstream media, that have the biggest megaphones to get out the story.
	So even though the Democrats are the guilty party, they've been able to rewrite the story and voice the blame.
	I mean, look at the blame for slavery and segregation.
	The Democrats say, no, it wasn't us, it was the South.
	No, it wasn't us, it was America.
	No, it wasn't us, it was the Republicans.
	You know, wrong, wrong, and wrong.
	So in a sense, the Democrats have been ingenious in getting, escaping.
	They're sort of like Hillary writ large.
	They're able to get away for all these horrible sort deeds of American history that are traceable directly to them.
	Unbelievable.
	Let me go back to the corruption issue, because I think the film speaks for itself and lays out the narrative in the case.
	And I think for a lot of people that maybe have bought into the hype and the propaganda and the lies and the distortion, I think those people are going to learn an awful lot from your movie, especially about the Democratic Party and its history and the real history of the Republican Party.
	But, you know, one of the things that has really impressed me about you over the many years I have known you, not only your writing ability, your intellect, and going back to your early days in Dartmouth, but you ended up going to jail for eight months, and it inspired you for something that is so minor compared to what Hillary just got away with.
	And I think from your perspective, I want to hear what that experience was like and how you feel as somebody that paid a very high price in what was clearly to me a politically motivated prosecution.
	And Hillary skates off scot-free.
	There's no question that if, you know, I had a dozen FBI agents who were on me reading my books and going through my bank statements and my tax returns.
	And the fact is, if I had been deleting emails and deleting evidence while this was going on, Sean, I'd be conducting this interview with you right now from Maximum Security Prison.
	So there's no question that Hillary has gotten a pass.
	Now, what I learned is I decided: look, I'm in the lockup here.
	I'm going to turn this lemon into lemonade.
	I'm going to try to expand my horizons.
	And I think what I've learned is that for 25 years, I've been kind of looking at American politics in purely idealistic terms.
	We believe in this, they believe in that.
	Let's look at it as if it's one big argument.
	But one thing I learned from the hoodlums is that, look, life has also got a kind of seamier underside.
	People are motivated by rage and lust and anger and envy and revenge.
	And so in my books and my movies now, I introduce that kind of grittier human side.
	And you can't understand the Clintons any other way.
	When they say social justice, you can't just take them at face value.
	You've got to realize that they've got powerful ambitions, going after money, going after power, making deals.
	This is who the Clintons are.
	And I feel I understand them better because paradoxically, I was locked up.
	You know, it's unbelievable.
	How did that change you, though?
	I think one of the worst things anybody can go through in life, and again, we're talking about a minor, minor campaign finance offense here.
	In most cases, everybody else would get a slab on the wrist.
	I don't think there was ever a case, if I'm not mistaken, that anyone got punished as harshly as you did for a campaign finance violation.
	Is that right?
	There is no American who has gone to prison for giving $20,000 over the campaign finance limit, absent evidence of corruption.
	Like I just gave help a college friend.
	I wasn't getting anything out of it.
	She didn't even know about it.
	So, yes, I think my case is unique in that sense in the annals of campaign finance history.
	But that being said, you know, I said to myself, I'm just going to have to be calm.
	I'm just going to have to go through this.
	And as long as I can come out of it intact, I'm going to be even more fearless, careful, but I'm not going to let this silent.
	Well, what did you learn that you apply to this film besides your great knowledge and love of history and sort of debunking the myths that have existed for now decades about Republicans versus Democrats and their position on race and other issues and social justice and who's really the party looking out for the working guy?
	Besides that, how did this impact all this?
	Because I know it did.
	Well, I was, you know, one guy said something very striking to me.
	And I, you know, I went in with the kind of Shawshank redemption idea that most of these guys are going to claim that they never did it, they were innocent.
	But this one guy said to me, he goes, look at us around here.
	He goes, we did it.
	But he goes, but we are the small stry.
	We're the dumb criminals who got caught.
	He goes, the big criminals never get caught.
	And in fact, the system doesn't even really go after them because they control the system.
	And I was reminded of this recently when Bill Clinton is fraternizing with Loretta Lynch when Obama is signaling to Comey and Lynch, you know, Hillary's my gal.
	You know, don't touch her.
	She's going to be carrying my baton.
	I then realize there's a lot of truth in these guys, the small guys who get caught, but who are able to see that there are bigger guys doing much worse crimes, and yet they don't get apprehended.
	It's not really equal justice under the law.
	There really is, I think I've learned a lot this election season that I, you know, I thought I understood Washington, but the depth and the level of corruption and the establishment connections, the incestuous relationships between Republicans and Democrats and the media, you know, it's one big wink nod and cabal.
	I'll give you this information if you print that information.
	We'll put this in the bill, but we won't tell people it's in the bill.
	We'll word it in such a way that nobody can figure out what's in the bill.
	And influence peddling goes on and on and on.
	And you're right.
	And other people, you know, for far less offenses, you know, they throw the book at these people.
	Like they would have thrown the book at you if you tried to erase any of the emails related to your particular case.
	You're right.
	You'd still be in jail and you would not have produced this movie, which, by the way, I urge everybody to go see.
	It's now going to be in movie theaters around the park.
	It's produced by Jerry Mullen.
	He did Schindler's List, one of my favorite movies of all time.
	That's one of the most powerful movies I've ever seen.
	And other movies like Jurassic Park, it's a magnificent feature film.
	Cinematically, it's incredible, and you're going to learn a lot.
	And it's called Hillary's America.
	When does it actually come out, Dinesh?
	Sean, it opens nationwide a week from Friday.
	So July 22nd, the weekend in between the two conventions.
	We explode out on 1,500 streams nationwide.
	And you can go to Hillary'sAmericaTheMovie.com.
	And that's where you can watch the trailer, put in your zip code.
	It'll tell you the new theater.
	We've booked about 700 theaters so far, but we're booking more every day.
	And so that's where you can find out where the movie is playing right next to you.
	All right, Dinesh D'Souza, Hillary's America.
	It's in theaters around the country.
	Thank you, Dinesh.
	Appreciate your input and your insight on the election as well.
	He's banished members of the press who have criticized him.
	Is there any doubt he would do the same as president?
	Imagine if he had not just Twitter and cable news to go after his critics and opponents, but also the IRS, or for that matter, our entire military.
	Given what we have seen and heard, do any of us think he'd be restrained?
	Do you think the Foundation investigation goes forward?
	Do you think there's things there that have been in the middle of the moment?
	I think the Foundation's corrupt, but based on the email, look, how can you do worse?
	You have the FBI director saying she did all of these things.
	And everybody said, oh, wow, she's guilty.
	And then the word, however, comes up.
	And now the foundation is corrupt.
	And she's corrupt.
	But the foundation, I don't think.
	I mean, if she's not going to have any problem because of the emails, look what happened to other people who did a tiny fraction of what she did, and their lives have been destroyed.
	So I would imagine the foundation thing will be the same thing.
	Yeah, and of course, she gets away with it.
	We just had Dinesh D'Souza on for a much lesser offense.
	I mean, $20,000 campaign finance, eight months in jail.
	Such a double standard in our criminal justice system.
	800-941, Sean, you want to be a part of the program.
	News Roundup Information Overload.
	We're coming to you from Cleveland, the site of the Republican National Convention.
	Although I will be flying back to New York and I will be interviewing what appears to be, according to the Wall Street Journal and CBS and Fox News and every major news source in the country, although it has not been confirmed to me, the Drudge Report and elsewhere, that Mike Pence will be the choice of Donald Trump.
	And will that be a choice that works well for him?
	Joining us now is Jessica Tarloff.
	She's a senior strategist at Shoan Consulting, friend of Doug Shoan.
	Also Ron Christie, former special assistant to President Bush, contributing calmness to the Daily Beast.
	And welcome back to the program, both of you.
	Ron Christie, Mike Pence, your thoughts.
	Well, I think Mike Pence is one who's very widely regarded by the House Republican Conference.
	He has presided over Indiana most recently as governor and is currently the governor.
	Pence is your establishment guy.
	He's the guy who I think adds ballast, if in fact he is the VP nominee, that shows someone who has executive experience, which Mr. Trump, of course, does not, and someone who could reach out to the more conservative factions of the GOP to calm some of their fears about a Trump candidacy.
	So if in fact it is Mike Pence, I think that's a good choice.
	You know, it's interesting.
	And one of the things that has infuriated me in this process, first of all, you have a bunch of other candidates that all made a pledge that they would support Donald Trump, and they won't do it, and they haven't done it, and they seem to not want to do it.
	Then you've got leadership like Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan, and Paul Ryan has been more critical of Donald Trump than he's ever been of Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton.
	I find both those things frustrating.
	What do you think?
	I don't disagree with you.
	If you are running for president of the United States and you had 17 gentlemen, of course, 16 gentlemen and one woman who took the stage, you've got to unify your party.
	As much as people might have a problem with Mr. Trump, and I have many issues with him, the prospect of returning Hillary and Bill Clinton to the White House is a disaster.
	Should be the most corrupt president coming into office, and Republicans need to recognize you've got to get behind your nominee.
	You've got to support the party.
	And the notion of having a contested convention, I think, would be a spectacle that would destroy the GOP.
	You know, Jessica, I had your boss on last night, Doug Schoen.
	He's been a longtime friend, a smart guy, great strategist.
	He said the one guy he didn't want the Republicans to pick was Mike Pence because he felt Mike Pence would add a lot more to the ticket.
	And a Newt Gingrich Donald Trump ticket would be much more controversial and it would give far more ammunition to the Democrats.
	Do you agree with your boss?
	I always agree with my boss.
	You can't always agree with your boss.
	No, like 90% of the time.
	He's a little too conservative for me, but that's okay.
	No, I agree with Doug here.
	I think that the Newt Gingrich Donald Trump ticket with their, what, six lives and 10 military deferments was going to be a good thing for Democrats.
	And, you know, going back to the 90s, obviously Newt was there with Bill Clinton.
	So if he wanted to rehash that, we could talk about all that went on there.
	Obviously, some good things, like balancing the budget.
	And I think that was something that really worked in Newt's favor there.
	But I agree with Ron's assessment about Mike Pence.
	And, you know, he's a true conservative, which I think is the issue here for a lot of people who are maybe not never Trump, but are wavering about it.
	I mean, they'll have to deal with things like the fact that Mike Pence is pro-TPP, and he said that Donald Trump's Muslim ban was unconstitutional.
	But there was never going to be a running mate for him except, I guess, maybe Chris Christie, who was going to be completely on the same wavelength there.
	You know, but I think Christie had his own issues, too, that are controversial.
	Certainly the fact, and I would actually blame the New Jersey legislature more than him, but the fact that they've been downgraded as a state 9, 10, 11 times since he's been governor wouldn't bode well for him, especially when Democrats bring up ads and start hammering it.
	My sources close to the Trump campaign told me that in terms of vetting, that the person that vetted best, that was squeaky clean, but still had a strong, solid, conservative message and track record was Mike Pence.
	In other words, the state of Indiana has done very well.
	Their job creation rate has been very high.
	Indiana was the state that put Trump over the top.
	That was the big state that he had to win to stop Ted Cruz, and he ended up doing it by a pretty significant margin.
	And Mike Pence, you're right.
	He's a conservative, loved by evangelicals.
	He's pro-life.
	He's right on the issues.
	There might be a few disagreements on trade or a few other things, but I think in the end, you're never going to find somebody that agrees on everything.
	No, and I don't think that you should, especially in this election where there are so many people who disagree with some of Donald Trump's positions.
	Obviously, he won the election, the primaries, fair and square, 14 million votes, and he should be the nominee.
	But I think it is important to have someone who is more solidly establishment, as it were, like a Mike Pence on the ticket, to really reach out to those who may be nervous about a Donald Trump candidacy to say, hey, we've got someone secure and steady with executive experience, as Ron said.
	I think that it's a really smart move looking at the field.
	And my point about Chris Christie was that he seemed, even though he went after Trump as you have to during the primaries, it was almost too similar for me.
	Say, you know, you have two kind of bombastic guys from the Northeast who are going to be out there screaming, just telling it like it is.
	And I think it's good to have someone who's more reserved and more policy-oriented, which Mike Pence is.
	Yeah, totally agree.
	Ron Christie, would it be a good idea to put a team of rivals and maybe something similar to a contract with America in play?
	In other words, Trump's promises to America, originalist conservative justices, build the wall, fix the VA, build up our military, repeal and replace Obamacare with health savings accounts, education back to the states.
	Would that be a good idea?
	I think it would, Sean.
	I worked on Capitol Hill as John Kasich's legislative director back in 1994.
	And I remember when the contract with America came out, it gave not only all those House members running for reelection to the House something to rally behind, but it gave candidates across the country something that they could also say, if you elect me to Congress or if you elect me to office, these are the types of principles and principled stances I will take.
	I think Donald Trump has a very important moment coming up in Cleveland next week where he's not just going to be speaking to the people in the convention hall, but he's going to be speaking to millions of Americans for the first time across the country.
	And I think if he puts together a strong set of principles, not just build the wall, but here's how I will rebuild the economy.
	Here's how I will make sure America is safe from attack.
	We'll take the fight to the terrorists.
	I think that would give him a really fresh start and a new opportunity to get a lot more people engaged and interested in his candidacy.
	All right.
	So how does this impact Ron Hillary's choice?
	How does she react to all of this?
	The Democratic Party, I noticed today they're having a hard time coming out with their talking points about Mike Pence because there's not a lot of dirt on him.
	And he was vetted very well.
	No, and, you know, Hillary Clinton's platform has been more twisted than a pretzel during this election cycle.
	Yeah, that's true.
	She has really tacked so far to the left, and now she's going to come back and apparently try to be more of a centrist.
	So the former Secretary of State, her ethical issues, I think, are really going to bring her down, Sean.
	I mean, she has a 67% negative approval rating.
	She, rather than trying to tear Mike Pence down, needs to try to find a way to build herself up with the American people.
	And I just don't know whether she has the chance to do it between now and November.
	What do you think, Jessica?
	Well, I disagree, obviously, with some of what Ron said there.
	But generally, I think Hillary Clinton has a steep road ahead.
	I mean, the polls polling right now is kind of a mixed bag.
	It depends.
	You know, if you're a Hillary fan, you can find polls that suit your story.
	If you're a Trump fan, you can find polls that suit your story.
	But I totally agree that we may be past the time for negativity.
	And I saw a really interesting Wall Street Journal report this morning that said that something like 46% of voters said that they had seen Donald Trump ads when we know that he hasn't been doing advertising.
	So they're getting his message no matter what, whether that's because they're seeing Clinton ads or cable news coverage or local news coverage or whatever it is.
	Donald Trump is out there and he's in the minds of everybody at this point, whether he paid for it or not.
	So the Clinton campaign, I think, needs to be running some really positive messaging ads at this point, whether it's stronger together, which is a good idea.
	57% of people think she should have been indicted.
	Indicted.
	Yeah.
	And then you hear Comey lay out a case.
	You know, you've got to admit that Trey Gowdy devastated Comey.
	Did she tell the truth here?
	No, did she tell the truth here?
	No, did she tell the truth here?
	No, did she tell the truth there?
	Basically, without coming out and saying as the FBI director that Hillary Clinton is a pathological congenital liar, he said it.
	Well, no.
	And then you've got to look at the poll numbers.
	She's now losing Pennsylvania.
	She's losing Florida.
	She's losing Ohio.
	It's neck and neck, dead even in Connecticut.
	She's losing Iowa.
	Nationally, now she's down, what?
	37 to 44 to Trump today.
	Well, it depends on what you're looking at.
	I mean, the NBC Mayorist swingscape poll.
	The New York Times CBS has it at 40-40, but she's losing all the swings.
	That's a swing drop from last month.
	Listen, I know.
	I am surprised that it has turned this way.
	I thought that she was gaining steam for a little while there, and we'll see what the conventions bring.
	But there's no doubt that she has a problem.
	And I would, to go back to the Comey point, you know, I was one of those Democrats in the first two minutes of his speech, I guess, or press conference where I thought, oh, my God, he's indicting her.
	And then it didn't go that way.
	But when I watched his testimony, his House testimony, and yes, Trey Gowdy devastated him, but there were also a lot of good points that I think Democrats put up there.
	He said, you know, there are two things that need to have happened.
	There has to be a mishandling of information.
	He said, yes, that happened, but there has to be the willful intent part.
	And that's why he said that there was no room for prosecution there.
	And why it's different from the David Petraeus case.
	And the prosecutor who went after David Petraeus explained that himself.
	So, I mean, well, it's difficult, obviously, for the American people to understand.
	And I get why 56% say that they think she should have been indicted, because if you listened to James Comey in that first press conference, you would get that impression.
	But that's a devastating ad itself, that exchange with Trey Gowdy and James Comey is devastating.
	You admit that.
	I admit that it's devastating.
	And then I admit it's also devastating that Donald Trump went out that night and started talking about Saddam Hussein.
	You know, he misses very good opportunities.
	Sometimes he's brilliant, and you don't expect him to pull it together.
	And then sometimes he totally misses the mark.
	Like the ad that the RNC released the day after the Comey press conference should have come out that evening.
	And they're not fast enough about this.
	And that might be because they're only, what, you know, 70 people on his campaign to her 700.
	But they've got to move faster on this if they want to win.
	But it's been a while.
	I do.
	I think what's devastating, Sean, is the fact that the FBI director is there to gather facts and evidence.
	He's not supposed to rule whether or not a prosecutor would have, in fact, brought charges against Hillary Clinton, number one.
	Number two, Jesse says that she didn't have willful intent.
	Well, as a lawyer, I can tell you there's nothing in the Espionage Act that has intent as one of the specific requirements under that statute.
	So not only did he ruin his reputation by applying a different set of rules for Secretary of State Clinton, but I also think he damaged the integrity of not only just the FBI, but the Justice Department.
	You can't have a system of justice in this country where the Clintons get to skate and other people like General Petraeus, who did something far less severe, of course, is then given a misdemeanor conviction.
	So I think it's going to be one of those things that we keep in the back of our minds as we head towards November, that the American people recognize that there's a different standard and do they want to reward Hillary Clinton to become the next president based on a different set of rules.
	All right.
	I want to thank you both for being with us.
	Jessica, appreciate it.
	Well, Doug, he got the person he didn't want.
	And Rom, we always love having you on.
	Appreciate both of you.
	Now, CNN, the L.A. Times, the Daily News, CNBC, Chicago Tribune, The Guardian, The New York Times, the Indianapolis Star, the CBS News, The New York Post, Huffington Post, and Fox News, Indiana, all reporting, yes, it is Mike Pence.
	Every indication is, in fact, that is it, which means I will have an interview tomorrow night on Fox News, the first interview of the VP selection.
	The first interview with Donald Trump and his vice presidential choice together will be on 60 Minutes this weekend.
	So that'll be interesting as well.
	I don't want to miss that.
	All right, let's get to our busy phones here.
	Sandy is out in California.
	Sandy, welcome to the Republican National Convention.
	Welcome to Cleveland, and welcome to the Sean Hannity Show.
	Hi, Sean.
	Gingrich was my first choice for VP.
	And if that's not to be, then I would love to see him be something like a chief of staff or some sort of role.
	And I'm not totally against Mike Pence.
	I just don't know him that well.
	I do like what he said about Trump.
	Even though he endorsed Ted Cruz, he talked about the positive movement.
	He talked about people like me that are enthusiastic supporters of Trump.
	And if that just helps more Americans vote for Trump, I'm for it because we need to defeat Hillary, and I think Trump's a good guy.
	You know, that was a really interesting moment when you think back to it because Indiana was really a firewall at that moment for Ted Cruz.
	And Ted Cruz put everything into Indiana.
	And then, of course, Donald Trump got a big endorsement, Bobby Knight.
	And then Governor Pence gave an endorsement to Ted Cruz, but he said a lot of really great things about Donald Trump.
	So I like the idea that Trump, that didn't bother him, didn't impact him, didn't affect him.
	He was happy with the state of Indiana and the things that Pence, unlike a lot of other Republicans.
	You know what?
	The Republican Party needs some new energy.
	I understand the arguments.
	I was for Newt, too.
	I think Newt is going to be right in the middle of all of this.
	He is the elder statesman.
	He's got so much intellectual firepower.
	You cannot, he's a guy that commands attention, a guy you want in your corner to give you advice on a daily basis.
	I am convinced, and I know, let me put it that way, that that is going to happen on a regular basis.
	I'm hopeful that Mike Pence is able to get his stride going quickly.
	You know, the media right now is digging and digging and digging and digging deep.
	They want to hurt him.
	They want to damage him.
	They want to somehow create a wedge between him and Trump.
	That's what the media does.
	And if he gets through the initial few days, then it's going to be about the convention.
	Then it's going to be about the agenda.
	Then it's going to be about what is Trump going to do to turn this country around and make this country great again.
	That's his big campaign slogan.
	What are the specific promises?
	I pinned him down in past interviews.
	I know what he says.
	And to highlight this in a way when the American people are paying attention like they do in convention week is going to be a big deal.
	Anyway, thank you, Sandy.
	Appreciate it.
	Let's go to Lola is in Oklahoma.
	Lola, hi, how are you?
	Welcome to McCleveland, Ohio, and the Republican National Convention.
	Hey, Sean, how's it going today?
	I'm good.
	How are you today?
	I'm doing all right.
	We've been under a tornado watch for the last couple hours, so that's been a lot of fun.
	Yeah, sounds like my day yesterday.
	We got diverted on our plane to West Virginia and then had to take a taxi cab all the way up from West Virginia to Cleveland.
	We arrived at 6 a.m. this morning.
	That seems like that would be a ridiculously long cab drive.
	By the way, you know how much the cab drive was?
	$519.
	Oh, good lord.
	We had a really cool driver, though.
	Very nice guy.
	He was a really nice guy.
	We were talking politics, having fun in the car.
	It was a great time.
	I didn't get any sleep, but it was a great time.
	Yeah.
	So go ahead.
	What's on your mind?
	I know that you're not a big fan of identity politics and everything.
	However, I think that in today's day and age, sadly, it feels like our society is at a point where people don't want to vote for somebody that they can't just immediately identify with.
	I feel like there are people out there that, you know, I heard people saying all the time, you know, oh, I'm so excited to go and vote for our first black president.
	And they cared nothing at all about what his policies were, what his ideas were.
	None of that stuff mattered to them at all.
	All they cared about was, oh, it's our first black president.
	And I really think that Donald Trump would have been smart to pick somebody who was either a woman or an African-American.
	Like, it would have been awesome to see him pick like Condoleezza Rice.
	I think Alan West would have been an amazing person.
	I love all of these people.
	And you know what?
	Many of them.
	I don't think Condi, because I think that Trump's foreign policy is less interventionist-oriented.
	I don't think he's against using American military might to defeat evil.
	Quite to the contrary, he said we're going to bomb the living sh out of ISIS.
	But I think there's, you know, especially on the Iraq war, that's something that he and Condi Rice disagreed on.
	I'll tell you why I dislike identity politics, gender politics, even geographic politics in many ways, is that I think for this job, you want to pick the best person who is going to do no harm, that will help you get elected and help you govern, and is capable of doing that job.
	I mean, you have to stick to the basics.
	And if it happens to be a guy, then it happens to be a guy.
	If it happens to be a woman, it happens to be a woman.
	If it happens to be of a certain race or nationality, I know for a fact that Marco Rubio was considered.
	I know for a fact Ted Cruz was considered.
	I know for a fact that Condi Rice was considered.
	I know for a fact that a lot of people were considered.
	I know a lot more about this process that I probably should be revealing right now.
	I know that there were a lot of people that were being considered.
	I know that Joni Ernst was legitimately vetted for this campaign.
	So I agree with you that, you know, that is important.
	I really do.
	I feel like Pence seems like a great guy.
	He seems like, you know, I didn't know anything about him before just the last couple days.
	And everything that I'm looking up on him, he seems like a good guy.
	He seems like, you know, somebody that I think really high-end conservative people can identify with.
	It's not a matter of who I think is best for the job.
	What I feel like is the point that I'm trying to make is that I feel like there are so many people out there that could care less what, you know, who's best for the job.
	They're more interested in, is it going to be a black guy or is it going to be a woman, you know, because Donald Trump is a racist and Donald Trump is a very good person.
	What I'm looking for, and I think the decision probably, if Newt didn't have a controversial background, and that includes personal life and more importantly, his political life, if he wasn't a controversial figure, I think it would have been him in a heartbeat.
	And I think that probably, and this is, again, speculation on my part.
	I have to distinguish what is speculation, what I know.
	I think in this particular case, you got a guy that is a rock-solid conservative, that has a great track record as governor, a great relationship with Republicans in Congress.
	Can be a great ambassador that is smart, that is squeaky clean in this day and age of media going on quail hunts, and a guy that I think will absolutely be a rock-solid vice president for a very, very alpha male president.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And I agree 100%.
	There's no bad media on him.
	And you know what?
	Look, I think that a lot of thought went into that, and you got to give him credit for that.
	All right.
	Thanks so much, Lola.
	Appreciate it.
	800-941, Sean.
	Why should I put Verlin in Chicago on?
	Verlin in Chicago is an Obama liberal.
	Don't you like Louis Farrakhan, too?
	No, I'm not an anti-Semite, so I don't like Louis Farrakhan.
	So you admit that Farrakhan's an anti-Semitic.
	I'm going to do the fair thing.
	Listen, let me tell you something.
	Let me tell you why I'm so disappointed in this pick with Mitch Daniel.
	Number one, it's a safe pick.
	Number two.
	Hey, Verlin, hang on one second.
	Is there anybody that Trump would have picked that would have made you say I'm voting for Trump?
	Listen.
	Yeah.
	No.
	You're voting for Hillary.
	If you voted for Obama twice, you're voting for Hillary.
	Why should Republicans care what you, a liberal in Chicago, thinks?
	You know what I think you ought to be focused on?
	3,470-plus people have been killed in your city since your great resident, Barack Hussein Obama, has been the president of the United States.
	Why don't you focus in on the lives that are being lost every day in your city and not worry about what the Republican parties decide because you don't care anyway?
	You want Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton.
	This country is going to be the face of this country and don't represent us around.
	Okay, who do you want Hillary to pick for VP?
	Well, now it's over with.
	She's going to win because when she's in the middle of the day, Mike Penson's salt.
	He's salt.
	So you think she's Pocahontas.
	Well, BBT too, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay, but you know what, Verlin, I'm just going to tell you a simple truth.
	Nobody cares what you think.
	You're a hardcore leftist.
	You can't acknowledge the failure of the Obama years.
	Let me ask you, do you think Obama did a good job on the economy?
	Are black Americans better off?
	Hispanic Americans better off?
	Are minorities better off since he's become president?
	A simple yes or no answer.
	Yeah, we got down at 4.9% unemployment.
	He did a good job with the economy.
	That's the problem.
	You don't know the facts because millions of more African Americans are in poverty.
	As a matter of fact, 58% more African Americans on food stamps since he become president.
	Median income, real dollars of the black family in America has gone down $2,400 since he became president.
	You look at the debt that we put on our kids.
	Schools have not gotten better.
	Nothing has improved.
	You have more people in poverty on food stamps and out of the labor force, especially and disproportionately negatively impacted minorities in America.
	Okay, he's at eight years.
	Verlin, I love you.
	I still do, but appreciate it.
	I don't think Republicans need your advice.
	Let's go to Nathan is in Lynchburg, Virginia, the home of the great Liberty University, and my friend Jerry Falwell Jr.
	How are you?
	Hey, Sean.
	Hey, yeah, it's kind of tough following him.
	You know what I mean?
	It is.
	Welcome to my world.
	Yeah, I'm sorry about that, Sean.
	Hey, I just wanted to say if it is true, I'm kind of disappointed.
	I was really hoping for Newt Gingrich.
	His leadership, his ability, his intellect.
	I don't care about his age at all.
	That, to me, is not a factor.
	His connections with the RNC, I think, are stronger than Pence.
	He's got a history behind him.
	Sure, he's got some controversy.
	I think any great man in this world is going to have some controversy behind him.
	And yeah, I'd like to.
	Listen, Newt Gingrich is the first to tell you.
	He knows he's a controversial figure.
	He knows it.
	He understands it.
	And, you know, I thought it was actually very entertaining when I talked to him earlier today.
	When I talked to him last night, he used the analogy of two outsider pirates that kind of shake up the establishment and they don't follow the rules.
	And I think his career has shown that, and I think that Donald Trump has shown that.
	And, you know, Donald Trump had to make a decision.
	Is the country ready for two outside renegades to run the country, or would it be better off to maybe try and work with these people and give them a backbone and a spine?
	And he made a decision.
	You know, there's a lot of factors that go into this.
	Maybe personally just got along better with him.
	I mean, it could be something that simple.
	Maybe it's because he's less controversial and Donald is controversial enough for people.
	Bill is in Alpharetta in Georgia.
	I live next door in Roswell, Georgia, for a time.
	Bill, how are you?
	Glad you called.
	Welcome to the RNC convention.
	Hey, Sean, thanks for taking my call.
	Wonderful topic.
	Just want to point out two things.
	I think Mike Pence is a great pick.
	And the reason I feel that, I really don't know him that well, but he's a utility player.
	So what he brings is a couple of things that Newt doesn't.
	He brings the congressional experience, the executive experience, and then the even-handedness of a manager.
	A little nervous.
	And I think that's great.
	Newt, I think, has another job for him altogether.
	You know, one of the things that I'm certain of, and this is based on my interview with Newt today, and it's based on my interview with Newt last night on TV, that, you know, Newt has really gone to the mat for Donald Trump, and I think because he sees him as somebody that would be transformative, and that's somebody that would literally rock the foundation of Washington, D.C. and this bastion of corruption and this sewer that has evolved there of these establishment people that all work together,
	Democrats, Republicans, and screw the American people.
	I mean, I think he sees this as an opportunity to get our country back.
	And he sees in Trump somebody that is not beholden to anybody.
	And look, it's a very personal thing.
	I guess it's probably like picking a spouse in the sense that you've got to work with this person at least four years, maybe eight years you're going to be married together.
	It's not often the case that a VP gets dropped at the end of the first term and they run with somebody else.
	So it's probably an eight-year sign-up if Trump wins.
	I'm convinced that at a very, very high level, and I'm reading in, this is Hannity talk here, the Hannity speculation, knowing what I know and putting two and two together.
	I think that Newt's role in this campaign is going to be incredible and significant.
	I think from the ideas to the strategies, in other words, all the things that I was saying yesterday and the day before when I said I would prefer they pick Newt Gingrich, I think he's going to do all of those things.
	I think he's committed to seeing that Donald Trump win.

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