News Roundup: ICE, Antifa Roundtable, No Kings 2, etc
We're back with a news roundup. One or two things have happened since we last talked. Episode Notes: Katie Daviscourt on Poso's podcast, playing the video she recorded alongside their dramatization of it. https://x.com/RealAmVoice/status/1973457224354898355 ICE shoots an unarmed priest: https://bsky.app/profile/johnpfaff.bsky.social/post/3m2nl24yqpc2v Hecklers force ICE wannabees to give up. A ray of hope. https://bsky.app/profile/bluskypolitics.bsky.social/post/3m2hrcpo3qs2v The "ten-car incident" video https://bsky.app/profile/helldude.bsky.social/post/3m2fxjonrds2w Show Notes: Daniel's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/danielharper/posts Jack's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4196618&fan_landing=true IDSG Twitter: https://twitter.com/idsgpod Daniel's Twitter: @danieleharper Jack's (Locked) Twitter: @_Jack_Graham_ Jack's Bluesky: @timescarcass.bsky.social Daniel's Bluesky: @danielharper.bsky.social IDSG on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-dont-speak-german/id1449848509?ls=1
Well, I actually sort of flirted with the idea of seeing if I could find a transcript of the free speech speech that he makes.
I think he made that at the Antifa roundtable or after it or something.
Okay, he might have.
He actually says, you know, and of course, all the liberal commentators have jumped on.
He says, we've done away with free speech.
And of course, it's just Trump's brain turning to mush.
Yes, he has, but at the same time, he's not actually admitting to that.
He's talking about people burning the flag and all this sort of brain-dead boomer gibberish.
But it's just his brain melting.
But I flirted with the idea of finding a like a transcript of that and just reading it because it is just gibberish.
It's just absolute gibberish.
The thing that the thing that I saw, I mean, this is back when he was president the first time, I think.
But foreign journalists, when they cover Trump and they quote him, they quote the things he actually says with all the ums and ahs and the, you know, and all the transliterations and all the bullshit that he like when American papers quote him, they quote what he was supposed to have said.
You know, they make it into a simple declarative sentence.
And, you know, and it's just, it's just so enlightening to suddenly hear like sometimes he quoted what he actually said.
So I was the one, I almost thought you were going to say, I'm going to take the speech and I'm going to put it through like a speech modulator and I'm going to like play that.
Well, there is a, this has been done by a few people.
John Oliver did this way back 10 years ago when this whole thing started when Trump was originally just running against Clinton, you know, in the, in the first, in the first election, I think it was then, where he just took a, he just took a Trump speech and they got a computer voice to read it just in a flat monotone, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And there is something about doing that, taking that out of his voice and out of his, such a strange thing to say, but out of his screen presence.
Because like it or not, the guy does have a kind of presence.
He does have a kind of charisma.
I know it's bizarre to say that, but it is true.
He does.
And it's, I, my theory of that is that it's just because there's nothing in there, there's nothing but flim flam and bullshit and baffle gab.
He's, he's developed this ability to cover it, to sort of squidding in the way he talks, you know, and he does this thing where he will, he will run out of things to say, but he will sort of do it in a kind of, oh, my, my brain is racing through.
I'm thinking about too many things at once.
I'm going to break off in the middle of this sentence because something else has just occurred to me.
He does a fairly good facsimile of a guy whose brain moves incredibly fast and his mouth has to race to keep up.
And of course, that's not what's happening.
What's happening is that he cannot complete thoughts.
He doesn't have whole thoughts.
But if you just read the text of what he says back sometimes, it does make it clearer that the man just doesn't.
He's always faking.
He is always pretending to be thinking and speaking.
He's not.
He's not thinking or speaking.
Even less so now.
Like that speech I was talking about, the one I'm talking about, he is, it's very obvious what he's doing is trying desperately to remember and repeat stuff that Stephen Miller has said to him.
And he can't do it.
Thanking Listeners Weekly00:05:37
Remarkable.
No, I'm with you.
now I'm thinking being there is a movie we should do.
Okay, so welcome listeners to It Sounded Better in the Original German.
That's the title.
We've been away, but now we are back and the world will be sorry.
Of course, ice ages have passed, epochs have gone by, empires have risen and fallen in the time that we've been away.
But we are back.
And Daniel, how are you doing?
Well, you know, funny you should ask.
Yeah, I set you up and now you can go.
Yes.
I'd like to say as I'm doing great, Jack.
Things are very perfect.
My life is great.
That's great.
Okay, moving on.
But then again, I do live in the United States of America.
It is October 19th, 2025.
And, you know, it is.
I'm sorry, but it is.
You just get to live with that.
It's every day.
I just wonder whether your country or mine is going to fall into fascism further.
And I think right now, mine is moving faster than yours.
So you're ahead of us at the moment.
So, you know, we'll see.
We'll see.
I did want to.
So this is going to be a news roundup.
And I did want to just kind of share some personal news here at the beginning.
And we're not going to get all sappy.
We're not going to do that.
But I did want to say on a, and I think I've done this behind this, but as of right now, I am recently divorced.
I have moved out of my old house.
I am now in the cheapest little apartment I could find that was not an absolute rat hole and cannot really afford it.
Let's just put it that way.
I do have some money saved up, but I've been looking for a full-time job that will pay me a decent wage for a while.
And that's been very difficult.
And I don't think that this podcast had anything to do with it because nobody ever came to me and said, like, asked about it, but a certain stage in the interview process, and then it just kind of nothing happens.
So that's been frustrating.
But I think what I wanted to say more than anything was thank you to all to everything.
First of all, thank you to everybody for listening for kind of going through kind of the ebbs and flows.
I think the last couple of years have been rough for both Jack and myself.
But now that I'm out and now that I'm on my own, I think it's going to make me a lot more consistent in terms of what I can actually do.
I know I owe a lot of your responses to emails and blue sky DMs and that sort of thing.
And I'm hoping to get back to all that stuff.
If I didn't get back to you before, message me again and we'll see if I can't help you out.
But really what I'm hoping is we're going to be a lot more consistent, either doing like news briefs or main episodes or bonus content.
Try to do that on a much more regular basis.
Hopefully back to every week, if not every two weeks, but we'd like to go every week if possible.
We're just definitely going to miss weeks where we just can't.
But I thank you.
I thank you for all that.
And if you do want to support, if you do want to support, I'll just say, if you want to support me, I did the math on this.
I'd have to get like three times as much money on my Patreon to begin to really like treat this as a full-time job.
I put a lot, a lot of hours into it, but in terms of like making the podcast and making the, you know, the content a full-time thing, it has to be at least about three times what I'm making now.
And I don't think that's realistic.
I don't, there are other people that need that money more than I do.
Let's put it that way.
But, and so I'm not, this is not me begging for dollars.
It's just getting, you know, realistically, what I make on this podcast, I could make it a 15-hour week job washing dishes or something.
You know, and that would be much less soul-crushing than what I do now.
So, well, I do, the money is helpful, but, you know, it's not, it has been very, very helpful over the course of the time.
But ultimately, what I'm saying is, I thank you for your support.
But unless that Patreon gets to a much higher level, this is still going to be like part-time gig for me.
And that's fine.
I'm very happy to do it.
I don't do this for money, but it helps.
Anyway, that's all I have to say about that.
Yeah.
And I'll just add on personal level, my end, there has been a big gap.
And part of that has been, you know, all the stuff going on in Daniel's life.
And I haven't been much used to anybody, least of all my friend Daniel recently, because I've also had, I've been, to be, you know, I'm, I have, I have trouble being emotionally open, which is something I'm working on, but I've been depressed and it's partly to do with health problems that I've been having for the last three years.
Well, I can tell you exactly when they started.
They started on the 10th of September 2022 and they've been ongoing to a greater or lesser extent since then.
And sometimes they are very, very depressing.
And I've kind of been useless for the last, but I'm feeling better.
And I'm glad that Daniel is moving forward, making progress and getting back to, you know, maybe not into the groove, but he's got the stylus and he's it's it's hovering over the record.
Anyway, none of you know what I'm talking about because I'm so old.
That is that is that is not that is not a John Gen Z reference, my friend.
Actually, maybe more so than our generation, believe it or not, because nowadays, kids, when they do buy an album, they do buy out on vinyls.
It's become relevant again.
You'd have to talk about the CDs for it really to just go over their heads completely.
It's like a metal disc that sometimes had two sides.
Charlie Kirk's Dissipating Impact00:15:49
Huh?
Stone age technology.
Anyway, all right.
Let's let's move on.
Anyway, yeah.
So this is a news roundup episode.
And I think are we going to start with the antifur roundtable at the White House?
Is that where you want to start?
I think I wanted to start just kind of cover a little bit of the Charlie Kirk.
I mean, just for a couple of minutes.
So, God, did you watch that audio?
The Charlie Kirk Memorial Service slash religious survival slash WWE belt.
Oh, God.
I was going to say, memorial, memorial service, memorial service.
I'm not sure I saw that.
I know I saw something.
I don't know if I would actually call it a memorial service.
It doesn't, it didn't look or sound anything like any memorial service that I've ever seen or been to or even imagined in my worst nightmares.
But yeah, I did see some of it.
I saw Stephen Miller delivering a speech more or less ripped off from Joseph Goebbels.
Yes.
I saw Erica Kirk being very strange on the stage.
I don't suppose we can really blame her for that, given that.
I think I'm going to be a little less.
I'm going to treat Erica Kirk.
We treat her.
She's a monster, but we treat her.
She is mourning her husband still.
Yeah, exactly.
I think the fairest way to describe her is she was giving, she's a former beauty pageant contestant, and she was giving very beauty pageant energy at that memorial service.
It was very, you know, you could see the Southern Bell, you know, like she was trying to win gold or whatever.
It was a strange reversal seeing her being sort of physically invasive with Trump, you know, a woman invading Trump's personal space and Trump being visibly, physically uncomfortable with a woman sort of touching him and being near him and being affectionate on him.
And then standing there and, you know, at this great big Christian speech where they're all, they're all virtue signaling their intense Christian virtue to the world.
He just says, yeah, Charlie, I disagree with him about, I mean, you know, he's talking crap about Charlie Kirk, obviously, because Charlie Kirk was an intensely vindictive, cruel, stochastic terrorist who spent his life endangering other people's lives because he hated them.
And it was in his interest to do.
But the party line was that Charlie Kirk is this great Christian and loved his enemies and forgave them, etc.
Trump just said, yeah, I disagree with Charlie on that.
I hate my enemies and I want them to die.
It was just, as usual, you know, there's a kind of sneaking admiration for the honesty there.
Because, of course, none of these people really believe in forgiving and all that stuff either.
They're actively pushing all the bullshit that Trump pushes against their political enemies.
It's just, you know, it's sent to the moment.
And yeah, no, there's just a great big jamboree, that thing.
You know, loads of people trooped down there and they had a great time.
They had a day out, basically.
They gozzled Cokes and Big Macs and left the litter lying around in the streets.
Disgusting display just left their litter lying in the street for other people to clean up.
And they went to a big concert and had this great big sort of orgiastic enjoyment of this show where it was all everybody in the same room enjoying this great big sort of feeling of communal hatred.
It was a two minutes hate, except that it wasn't merciful enough to actually only last two minutes.
Yeah, it was more like two hours and I watched every minute.
Yeah, no.
And now everybody who's anybody in MAGA world is proud to say they were at that event.
I was at the memorial for Charlie.
It's like, Sarah Woodstock.
So, but yeah, no, they're still releasing episodes of the Charlie Kirk podcast.
It's just he's not on them anymore.
And so his buddies, his producer shows up and, you know, will do it or they'll run old interviews with him.
They found an interview he did when he was 18 years old where he was, he called into some right-wing radio show and they aired like the Q ⁇ A that he had.
It was like a 12-minute segment he did on the on the other way to call in her on this on this right-wing radio show.
And at the time, it was like low Texas and small government.
So, you know, it was all these guys, all these guys, they're all grown-ups that have been doing this exact same shtick, except getting worse right-wing and so on since they were teenagers.
Stephen Miller and Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk.
They're all sort of frozen in this edgy teenage right-winger phase that they never, that they never get out of because they, they luck into it being a lucrative career at a young age.
You know, I used to be a kind of an edgy teenage libertarian type, never right-wing type, but I was a libertarian type.
I think I've been honest about that.
And then, you know what happened?
I had to pay bills for myself and got a girlfriend in the same time period.
And suddenly that kind of changes your perspective on certain things, you know?
So anyway, that's a long story, but anyway.
So that's all that really I want to talk about Charlie Kirk.
I could talk a lot more about all the nonsense of Charlie Kirk.
If people want us to talk more about Charlie Kirk, please let me know.
We can definitely do.
I could talk about Charlie Kirk for hours at this point.
But I think definitely just gesture it a couple of things, which is that Charlie Kirk has, to the extent that he ever actually made a dint in the national consciousness, even when he died, that has just immediately dissipated.
I saw a like a graph of, you know, Google searches.
And it's, obviously, you get the massive spike when he gets killed.
And then you, and the news stories come out.
And then you get another little spike for the remembrance service.
And then it's just nothing, just slopes away completely.
It's had, you know, they were, they were clearly banking on making this guy their sainted martyr, their horse vessel combined with their, you know, new Christ.
And it just hasn't worked.
It hasn't caught the public's just instantly kind of, oh, yeah, that guy.
Yeah.
And anyway, yeah, just hasn't worked at all.
The other thing I wanted to mention was, of course, that Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson have been making waves with their sort of breaking from the party line just out of sheer anti-Semitism.
They just, it was too tempting.
They couldn't resist making it into Israel killed him, you know?
Yeah, that started happening immediately in certain circles.
It's like, oh, he was killed by Israel because he was, he was slightly less slavishly pro-Israel, like in the last couple of weeks of his life than he had been previously.
And you look at that as it's nonsense.
It's, I mean, I don't know, there's some, there's some there there, but it's, it's really minor.
And the idea, I mean, you know, the, the idea, you know, on the on some of these right-wing shows, I mean, they start to go through, um, they're, they're really doing like Zapruder style analysis of, you know, why was there no exit wound to Charlie's body?
And the excuses that he was just so strong, his bones were so thick, he could stop the bullet.
But how does that possible?
And it's like, my God, you guys are fucking crazy.
Um, I just, I remember, sorry, not to people who have mental health issues, but these people are just out to lunch.
Um, you know, it's just Candace is Candace is, you know, an obsessional hater of Jewish people.
Yes, absolutely, absolutely.
I mean, and uh, she couldn't resist it clearly.
She just could not resist it.
Yeah, no, it was too much, and it makes me laugh, you know, because back in the day, Alex Jones would have it would have been on that bandwagon as well.
But Alex Jones is, you know, his grift is different now.
It's just fascinating to see how these people have changed and evolved over the years.
Not really.
They haven't actually changed or evolved at all.
They've just turned into different kinds of awful people.
Yes.
Still awful, just with a different flavor, you know.
Yeah, but yeah, one of the, I mean, God, the whole like Tucker Carlson got when we do the finally do the Megan Kelly episode, there's so much to the Megan Kelly episode, but we probably won't have time for it.
But she was asked about her support for Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson still by some people.
And it was just like, so how are you?
I was like, I stand with Israel more than anybody.
I'm not an anti-Semite, of course not.
I support Israel.
And I just believe they have a different perspective than me.
And I think it is just like, but I won't, I won't disavow.
I won't disavow this.
I mean, it's just the, you know, it's a the juggler dancing on plates on sticks sort of thing.
It was, it's kind of remarkable to see.
Um, but um, probably the one thing that's kind of making impact with Charlie Kirk's death is that is, as you say, the Hearst Vessel kind of phenomenon.
And within this sort of right-wing influencer grifto structure, um, that is still going very strong.
That is still something that's going on.
And I think leads directly to, I think, what's going to be the main topic of our episode of our kind of loosened news roundup.
And that is the antifile roundtable that had, you know, a whole cast of characters that many of whom have been mentioned on this show before, except for the ones that are so minor that they've just now come to the forefront.
We haven't had a time to do episodes on them yet or mention them.
But boy, this is, that was a, that was a thing because I watched that.
I didn't watch it live, but I watched it that day.
And the, the degree to which it was, you know, the exact fucking things I've been warning you guys about for the last seven years, you know.
I don't know.
What did you, you watched, you watched bits and pieces of this.
You didn't watch the whole thing.
What's, I mean, what was your takeaway?
What did you, what did you kind of come away with?
I've seen bits of it.
I mean, it's unhinged.
It's just completely unhinged.
It's unhinged sort of McCarthyism enemy within on steroid stuff.
And it's clearly, you know, I mean, partly it's as so much that happens in the White House seems to be now.
It's clearly an attempt by the people around Donald Trump to just flatter him and give him stuff to do that makes him look good and give themselves an opportunity to surround him and give him verbal blowjobs.
Because you have, what's it, Pam Bondi, you know, and she's coming out with absolutely unhinged sort of John Birch.
And, you know, in a previous generation, this would be John Birch society conspiracy theory pamphlet, pamphlet shit she's coming out with about anti-fur, you know, we're going to destroy the structure of the organization like we did with the cartels.
Apparently, the Trump administration has destroyed the cartels.
I didn't, I didn't realize, but apparently they have.
But they're going to do the same to Anthony.
You mean fishermen from Venezuela?
Is that what you really mean?
Yeah, they've murdered some fishermen in Caribbean and Venezuelan waters.
Yeah, that's what they've actually done.
That, by the way, that is an infuriating to see centrists and people like that and mainstream people talking about this.
the narrative around it is just infuriating to me.
Well, there's no evidence these people...
If there was evidence that they were narco traffickers or whatever, that still wouldn't give you the right to just fucking murder them, to go into other people's war territorial waters and just unilaterally decide to commit murder.
But yeah, I mean, it's...
Again, like so much of this administration, it's savage and it's brutal and it's a horrible precedent and it's a foot in the door for further expansion of violent authoritarian state power.
But it's also just kind of these people talking to themselves and showing off to themselves.
And that's really what the Antifa Roundtable looked like to me.
You have people who are in the real world, completely obscure right-wing influencers or really just wannabe influencers, people like Savannah Hernandez and that guy.
I knew her back when she guested her to the...
I know her back when she guested her on Elijah Schaefer's podcast.
Oh, yeah, I was going to say, I think...
That's how long I've been following Sav Says is her YouTube channel.
So, yeah.
Well, this is my point.
Like, you know, Katie Davis Court.
We're going to talk about her.
Don't worry.
We know who these people are.
But the public doesn't know who these people are.
Maybe, maybe the public has some chance of having a dim idea who Andy Ngo is and Jack Posobiec, you know.
But Katie Davis Court has been trying to launch her career as a right-wing influencer by pretending to have a black eye from Antifa protesters for years now.
Did you see the video of this incident?
The video that she posted on her Twitter account, or her ex-account, whatever we're supposed to call it now.
She's literally, like, you know, the way she describes it, I mean, the way she describes it even in the Antifa roundtable.
Oh, by the way, whenever I say Antifa, I imagine, like Antifa with, like, dots between it, like a military organization in the 60s or something.
Yeah.
I imagine it as, like, you know, Spectre in the early Bond film.
Yes, exactly.
There's a guy with a cat, you know.
No, the amazing thing, you know, Katie Davis Court, you know, she says, when she describes it, it's like, there was radical Antifa, was swinging a flag around, and just hit me right in the face.
And I'm sitting here in front of you, Mr. Trump, Mr. President, in honor.
And you can see exactly how terrible this black guy is.
And first of all, I've had worse black eyes from that, from just, like, you know, tripping on a step or something, you know?
Yeah.
B, when you watch the video, the video that she posted that I saw, and I haven't seen anything to, you know, she's recording.
The person, you know, the young woman, I guess, it looks like a young woman to me, who is, it's not, like, you know, flailing around and, like, aggressively trying to hit people with a flagpole, but is just swaying the flag back and forth while chanting and marching.
She's, Katie Davis Court gets close enough to where she gets hit in the eye with this thing.
And then she goes and claims to be the victim here.
And, like, this is, I mean, this is always their MO.
This is Andy Neal back in the day.
He would just, like, harass, he would just harass people, he would get in their face, and then when they responded in kind, he'd go and run to the cops.
That was his, that's the MO.
That's what all these guys do.
Yeah.
This guy, Nick Sartor, he picked a fight with some street protesters.
You know, they got in a scuffle, everybody went to jail, and then he said, oh, I'm being oppressed for my free speech.
They didn't, they didn't do anything about the Antifa.
And it's like, dude, it looked like it was a scuffle.
They let you go because they didn't have evidence.
Because that's what happens when there's a scuffle in the streets.
I mean, the long arm of the state is not coming after you, Nick Sartor.
I promise you.
Talk to people who've been, talk to people in Chicago who have been, you know, their housing unit has been invaded by ICE, and then tell me how you feel about that, you know, like.
Well, this is it.
I think we're going to talk a little bit about this later, but, you know, ICE is just off the chains.
They're just on the rampage in Chicago.
Did you see the video of them speeding down the street and crashing into the side of this car and they stop?
And to me, I mean, it's pretty clear what's happening.
It's like they can't just drive on because that's basically admitting that it's their fault.
That's making it into a hit and run.
They have to pretend.
They realize pretty quickly, they have to pretend that they've been rammed or assaulted because they just lie.
You know, it comes out time and time again.
They say this person attacked us, this person shot at us, et cetera.
Just lies, lies, lies, lies, lies.
So you can see on the video, they come out of their car and they drag this girl, this, this, I don't know if she's a teenage girl or a young woman out of her car, having just crashed into the side of her car, and they're kneeling on her neck and just outright assault, just outright, and the cynicism of it as well, the calculated cynicism.
Yeah, I don't think I saw this one.
I've seen a lot of this stuff, but I don't think I saw this particular one.
Yeah.
But I mean, the thing is that this is just, I mean, I hate, it's just routine now.
Police Lies Exposed00:14:54
I mean, I do not live that far from Chicago.
And if I had, you know, had a little bit more resources, I definitely would have taken the trade in and documented some of this myself.
It's just, it's, it's horrifying.
It's just absolutely despicable what's going on in both Portland and Chicago.
I think those are the two epicenters of it.
You know, it's just.
So you have these fucking cowardly masked brown shirts, essentially, on the streets, just on the rampage, beating people up, pepper spraying people for daring to talk back to them.
Well, and I mean, I'm sorry, but like, first of all, I mean, again, you know, this would be horrifying if these were actually like gang members and such that they're, you know, there's no due process being done here, you know, all and yeah.
I mean, the whole thing's the whole point.
Video after video after video of people confronting them, you know, and saying that they're arresting somebody, that they've got their business arresting.
And somebody confronts them and says, it's video after video of this saying, where's your warrant?
Where's your authority?
And they just, it's just these, these fucking guys in masks with no ID, no badge, no warrant.
They just say, we don't need warrant.
We don't need an authority.
And, you know, if you, if you, if you keep at them, they say, do you want to be arrested?
What's authority, asshole?
You know what I mean?
You're and this is this actually came to a point where.
You don't get to ask me what authority.
If you ask me what authority, I'll arrest you for asking.
You know, that's what's happening.
That's what's happening.
These guys.
The authority of what agency?
The authority.
Like, who are you?
You know, like, that's the point of a, you know, look, we're skeptical of the police.
We fuck the police.
Yes.
Yes.
You know, fuck the police.
But the whole point, you know, the idea of law enforcement is that these are agents of the states who are sent to perform official duties.
And enforced law is based on like the idea that these are like anonymous people who don't have to show identification, who don't, who can just scoop people up.
That's how you get vigilantes to just come out and like take matters into their own hands with their own personal enemies.
Like this went down that path.
You saw some 2020 of people just getting snatched up in vans, driven around for a while and released.
And it's like, well, there's no paperwork because we, who, who knows that that was actually an ICE van?
Who knows that that could be anybody?
I mean, like, you see somebody on the street with a shit.
You can buy like an ice vest from a costume shop for a hundred bucks.
I promise you.
Like, this is not like, these could be anybody.
These are just, these are just nobodies.
There's no reason to take any of this seriously.
Yeah.
And how much, how much, you know, sexual assault is going on under the cover of all this as well.
You know, no, I mean, this is it.
This is how this is how a, you know, a stormtrooper force assembles.
This is how the brown shirts take over the streets.
This is how it happens.
Yeah.
Cops are cops.
Cops are bad.
You know, I agree.
But they have to, they have to have their badges on display.
They have to have their numbers on display.
They have to have their body cams going.
These guys, this is just some guy that saw some fucking far-right meme posted on Twitter by the White House or the Department of Homeland Security and thought, oh, yeah, I'd like to do that.
And he just goes in and he gets his flak jacket and his and his gun and his mask.
And he's out there playing at being Ernst Rome all of a sudden.
Yeah, no, exactly.
And I mean, you know, and they've been, you know, there has been some deputization, I think, of where ICE is like kind of, but like, again, these are not like trained officers.
These are, you know, it's just, I mean, I just, I look at this and it's essentially they are state vigilantes.
That's what I say.
Yes, exactly.
Exactly.
And I mean, it's, it's not that it would be good if they were more professional.
Don't get me wrong on this.
The point is, you know, but the cruelty is the point of the stuff.
That's, that's why they're doing it.
The show of force, the show of horror is the point of this.
The idea is to make people self-deport.
It's to make people so scared that they won't go to the doctor's departments.
They won't go to there.
They're just going to flee the country.
That's the point of it.
It's not the point is not to actually like find bad people or whatever and put them through a sequence of law.
The point is to make people terrified.
This is state terrorism.
That's what it is.
Yeah.
And hopefully also, you know, deter people from coming to voting booths.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, gosh.
I can't even imagine.
I can't even imagine what the November election is going to look like.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, that's, yeah, that's, yeah, we'll definitely see that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, I, yeah, the Antifa roundtable.
Uh, my favorite bit of that is when uh, because I think out of the bit, go ahead.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
Sobiak is talking about, and he's, he's giving Trump a history lecture on Antifa.
And he says, well, well, you know, this organization has existed for a century in different forms and it goes back to Weimar Germany.
It's like you're admitting more than you realize it.
Well, Jack Pesobiac knows exactly what he is.
He's Jack Pesovik knows exactly what he said.
He just thinks that nobody else in the room is going to call him out on it.
And he was right about that.
But I was down in the room.
Don't worry, Jack Pasovik.
I know what you are.
You know I know what you are.
Why, Jack, why did Antifa come into existence in Weimar, Germany?
What was happening in Weimar, Germany?
There's going to be a Pesobiac episode down the pipe, I promise you.
He's so fucking obnoxious.
He's so fucking obnoxious.
He's such a little weasel, that guy.
Yeah, he is.
He just learned the lesson.
It's okay if you're a Nazi so long as you just praise Trump constantly.
If you just praise Trump, you get to be a Nazi.
That's it.
That's the whole point.
Yeah, remarkable, remarkable stuff.
My favorite, the thing I thought you were going to mention, I mean, is that so Pesobiac says, oh, the organization is about 100 years old.
It's got, you know, and we know who the funders are.
We know, like, we, there's a, you know, they kind of dance around whether it's an organization or not.
They, you know, they want to make it so that they can do like Rico charges and so they can do like domestic terrorism and declare antifun domestic terrorist script, et cetera, et cetera.
And to do that, they have to show that there are like financial ties that this bigger organization.
And God, we could go through all the stuff.
I already watched this video this afternoon before we started recording it.
It's just, it's unhindered stuff.
It's like the Democratic Socialist of America, the DSA, some of those members also work on anti-homelessness rallies.
And some of the people in those anti-homelessness rallies also do blackback activities.
That means that the DSA and everybody who ever gave to the DSA is part of this Antifa funding group.
You know, that's the kind of illegal theory they're trying to go around.
Yeah.
Did you see that some of that information?
Apparently, the apparently Cash Patel's FBI went, they saw Glenn Beck giving one of his chalkboard lectures about Antifa on his show, and they sent agents around to get primed on Antifa's funding sources from Glenn fucking Beck.
There really is no daylight.
I mean, I think one of the things that this last like 10 months or so has really like taught us is that there is zero daylight between like the right-wing online influencer crowd and the uh the actual Trump administration.
Like those are the lunatics have taken over the asylum in a way that you know they'll describe like MSNBC as MSDNC.
Like it's just different talking points.
And there's some truth to that.
But there was never like a, it never got that close.
I mean, they're, they're literally like members of the Trump administration appear on Jack Pesobiac's show to spread Trump agenda propaganda.
That is, that's just how this works now.
Um, and you know, Pesobiac gives them the candlelines.
He has to get them to get the right answers out.
And then he, there's no pushback, there's no follow-up, there's no nothing.
It's just completely unless, oh, you're not going far enough.
That would be the only criticism he ever gives.
And it's endemic.
It's across this stuff.
You know, Tucker Crossing is a paragraph of virtue in comparison.
The sort of the theory of Antifa on display here is really it is, you know, Schrödinger's Antifa.
It's this big organization when they need it to be, when they want to contemplate things like Rico charges against this notional sort of octopus of fun, you know, dark money and so on.
It's that when they need it to be.
And you have this ridiculous woman, Savannah Hernandez, saying it's akin to ISIS, you know, it works like ISIS and stuff.
But when they need it to just be, when they need it to not be an organization, it's also not an organization.
This is one of the great things about Antifa for their from their point of view, because, you know, as sort of as an aesthetic tool, because they can pretend that it's this big conspiratorial organization.
And of course, once you're into conspiracy theories, the lack of evidence becomes evidence.
You can say, well, there's no, there's no evidence of any ties here.
That only goes to show how nefarious the connections are.
If you find the connections, it's a clear sign of, you know, open plotting about, you know, and if you don't find it, it's just because they were so good at hiding it.
It reminded me, actually, we did an episode a little while ago where we talked a little bit about Gerald Posner, the author who'd written one of the, you know, actually quite a good books about the JFK assassination, debunking the conspiracy.
And he's now a kind of Trump-adjacent, transphobic Israel stand.
Just a horrible, horrible piece of shit, this guy.
And he had one good book.
We're allowed to say he wrote one good book, right?
He might even have written a couple of good books, but now he's irredeemable.
But he's, I read his article where he purported his substack, where he purports to reveal this great big dark money conspiracy, you know, to inject trans ideology into the mainstream agenda and so on.
And the extent that, you know, and he's quoting, he's quoting outright sort of anti-Semitic sort of lizard person believing, you know, David Ike believing sort of people.
And I can't remember the woman's name, but he's quoting people like that.
But to the extent that any of it's real, it's just, yes, a liberal billionaire or a liberal foundation donated some money to a trans charity.
That's it.
So that's, that's all they've got.
Yes.
There's a charity that supports trans people.
A rich person believed that trans people are people as they should, because trans people are just people.
Yeah.
And who are marginalized in society?
Somebody felt bad, wrote a $10,000 check because they can afford to do that.
I can't afford to do that, but they can afford to do that.
And suddenly they're part of this cabal of trantifa that they murdered Charlie Kirk, that giving a few dollars to an organization that helps trans kids is the exact same thing as shooting Charlie Kirk in the neck, which is the exact same thing as attacking ICE officers, which is the exact same thing as shooting Trump in the head.
That's the line of dominoes that you have to draw, you know.
But their conspiratorial theory of Antifa works exactly the same way.
Glenn Beck's got the Open Society Foundation and all this sort of, on this big chalkboard list of people who are part of this network of...
It's just, yeah.
When it's real, it's banal.
When it's anything other than banal, it's not real.
But it is useful, as I say, because Antifa isn't an organisation.
It's just a way of organising.
It's just a trend of organising or whatever.
It's just, you know, at its most, it's a network of ideological sympathies.
But that's handy, because it means you can just arrest anybody you want and you can call them Antifa.
And if there's no evidence they've got any connections, all to the good.
Just goes to show, doesn't it?
That's how they're going to do it.
There is, you know, I'm keeping my nose clean.
Let's just put it that way.
I am telling you, you know, if there was some big money given, like people who are doing anti-fascist work, you know, I'm pretty sure I would have heard about it at some point in the last few years.
That's all I'm going to say.
I'm pretty sure somebody I know would have gotten a checklist.
Put it that way.
Yeah.
It's remarkable.
All right.
My favourite, I mean, the bit that's been going kind of a little bit viral or like kind of the thing that everybody knows is Jack Posobiec says, you know, Antifa is an organisation that's 100 years old.
It goes back to Weimar, Germany, as you said.
And then like three minutes later, I think Pam Bondi says, you know, we just arrested the girlfriend of the founder of Antifa.
It's like, so she's like 135 years old or something.
I think that was Christy Noem, actually.
Oh, it was Christy Noem.
It was Christy Noem.
Yes, yes.
Excuse me.
Yeah.
We've arrested the ex-girlfriend of the founder of Antifa.
What have you arrested her for?
I mean, firstly, firstly, leave the poor woman alone.
She's 130.
And secondly, what have you arrested her for?
She split from him.
You know, it's not her fault.
I mean, I just want to like, for, this is at a press conference and I get that Trump didn't allow a lot of like real questions to be asked.
Like he literally like told office CNN reporter who was asking him a question after this round table.
The question I want to know is, Christy Noem, what is that person's name that you arrested?
I want to know that person's name.
Can we get the, can we get the police records?
Cause I'm very curious about this.
What are the charges?
What do you have?
Um, nobody, she's never going to be held to account for that.
Of course not.
Like, I mean, you know, it's not, it's not real.
It's not, It's not real, but it's like that just lays bare the idea that, of course, you know, okay, what's the arrest record?
Who did you?
I mean, Doge was finding fraud all through the government.
Well, where are the charges then?
Where are the court cases?
Yeah, he found fraud.
Yeah.
Fraud?
Fraud's a crime.
Where are the I know?
There's just one person who was doing defrauding the U.S. government.
That's the man who's now president of the United States.
He's definitely doing some of that.
Come at me, bro.
Please don't.
God, well, you know, inside of a prison cell, I mean, you know, there are worse places to be right now.
It's a roof over your head, you know, and a regular meal.
Yeah.
Oh, God.
It's just so, it's so fucking stupid, man.
I don't know.
We could go on and on about this anti-roundtable.
We've talked a little bit about the protests in Chicago and Portland and how we should probably talk a little bit about the young Republican chat logs leak.
Okay.
Yeah.
Definitely.
I mean, that's, it's connected to what we've been talking about.
Well, I mean, directly because there was some sort of debate.
I think it was a News Nation debate.
And they had the TP USA spokesman on there, you know, the new guy that's taken over.
Oh, Andrew, Andrew or something, Andrew S something, right?
Andrew something.
That's right.
That's his name, Andrew Something.
And he's just sort of, he's challenged by some like liberal Democrat YouTuber or something who's who has, you know, very properly denounced people who are joking about Charlie Kirk.
And he says, well, can you denounce these young Republicans in this chat who was saying, let's be clear, we love Hitler.
Let's rape our political enemies, calling black people watermelon people and monkeys and the N-words and saying that they want to put their enemies in gas chambers.
And this guy, he will not denounce it.
He ducks and he weaves and he will not.
He spends minutes on that stage just refusing to denounce that.
And it's the, you know, we're being told simultaneously that Antifa are the real fascists.
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I mean, to be clear, there's nothing remotely surprising about the fact that a bunch of quote-unquote young Republicans in their private internet chats would be saying stuff like this.
It is absolutely unsurprising.
But it should be very easy to denounce.
So this man's name, so he's, his name is Andrew Colvett.
I could not remember his last name, not because I'm not familiar with him, but because he's always just referred to as Andrew on the Charlie Kirk podcast.
He has basically taken over the co-hosting or the hosting duties.
He used to occasionally co-host, I believe, but now he's certainly, I think, more than anyone else, sort of the ideological leader of TPUSA.
So that's where TPUSA is now.
Just openly like, well, we won't denounce the people who, you know, wanted to put their enemies into gas chambers and said, I love Hitler.
You know, this is, you know, this children of 24 to 35 years old, just small little babes in the wood.
We just don't know any better.
You know?
Yeah.
That was J.D. Vance's defense, wasn't it?
It was basically just boys will be boys.
And it's just jokes.
That 14-year-old who speaks Spanish instead of English who came across the border, you know, because their parents needed a new wife, needed a new job.
You know, that person we go at with the, we treat them as an adult, but certainly, no, no, these are, these are just, you know, these are just young Republicans.
You know, hey, a Republican doesn't really get adulthood until they're in their 60s.
I mean, come on, really.
If then, to be honest, just late bloomers.
This, of course, is the same J.D. Vance that was calling for people to be prosecuted for just making off-color jokes about Charlie Kirk.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And sometimes not even off-color jokes.
It's just quoting the things that Charlie Kirk said with his mouth.
Well, exactly.
That's what it amounted to in pro in practice.
It amounted to just mentioning it in anything other than their terms was a fireable offense.
Yes, absolutely.
Yes.
Yeah.
No, it is.
It is, you know.
And I don't know.
The thing I saw, I get frustrated with this stuff because it's like, you mean there are young Republicans that are saying things that are really, really racist?
Surely no stories.
There's gambling in this casino.
To me, I don't know.
Like, I don't know.
To me, this is old head.
I was looking at it.
I mean, there are like people who are in high up positions within Republican politics right now, who have direct ties to the administration, who kind of don't believe the Holocaust happened and think black people are stupid and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Yeah.
What have we been trying to tell you for the last six years?
You know, like, it really is like, I don't know, just looking at that and going like, we have failed, my friend.
We've done the best we can.
And we have just failed to get this into people's minds.
Even on Blue Skies.
Not so much as like on Twitter and stuff, but even on Blue Sky, I saw people like, you know, oh my God, really?
We're going to get them this time.
No, no, you're not.
No.
They just.
Again, like it works both ways.
You know, Charlie Kirk's already been forgotten about by most people outside that bubble.
This will be forgotten.
It's already been forgotten about.
It's already three news cycles ago.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, and to me, it's just like, it's like, it's just, it's a non-story at this point.
I mean, it's important to document it.
I mean, honestly, what I would prefer is if they could just come out and say the things that they believed publicly and then we could talk about those things instead of like all the bullshit.
Like, oh, we're not racist.
You know, we're not, you know, like, God, it's just, it's so infuriating.
Yeah.
It's so infuriating to know what you and I know and then to continually watch this shit be get debated back and forth as if like what Charlie Kirk was saying was not like deeply racist.
I mean, it's just like, why do we have to keep debating this topic?
It's because the fucking centrists just will never, ever, ever accept that racism is real, that people can be real racist, even in 2025.
Oh my God.
It's so frustrating.
There's a good, quite new Thought Slime video where they talk about this.
Very good.
Why do libs?
And they actually have quite a thoughtful sort of digression in that about what do we mean when we talk about libs.
And we're not just talking about liberals per se.
It's more considered than it sounds.
But the subject of the video, why do liberals feel compelled to defend Charlie Kirk?
And it's a good, you know, it's Thought Slime themselves admits that it's not a stunningly original thesis that they're putting forward.
But it's absolutely correct.
You know, it's that the neoliberal consensus, this sort of hollowed out idea of politics as lacking content is so completely ingrained in certain types of people.
And it affects all of us because we all live in this world.
It affects all of us from time to time.
But certain people, you know, Ezra Klein are so, it's so ingrained in that they literally cannot sort of, they cannot grok.
They cannot comprehend extremism of any kind at all.
So that they're, you know, it's like trying to think in the Douglas Adams novel, Life, the Universe, and Everything, there are these spaceships that come with what's called the somebody else's problem feed.
And what it means is that the spaceship can just land in front of you and your brain interprets it as somebody else's problem and it just sort of edits it out.
You don't see the spaceship.
You just sort of look around it.
And it's, it's that, that that kind of brain, that kind of orthodox centrist neoliberal brain just kind of can't see fascism head on.
It just kind of insists upon trying to see round it, you know, so it can never really come to terms with the fact that it's actually there.
Well, I can't see that like this is not something you're going to be able to reason people out of that this is the fascist conclusion is not reached by logical means and therefore you can't logic you can't logic somebody out of a problem they didn't logic themselves into um and you know some people do logic themselves into fascism and they tend to kind of come to their senses eventually i mean i've taught i've spoken to people personally who are ex-fascist you know who thought they fell into it for rational reasons and then once you know suddenly like whoops i was mistaken it does happen but
like you're never going to get the politically motivated actors.
You're never going to get Jack Posobiec to not be a, be a bullshit around this.
He's always going to be a fascist.
You're never going to be able to get out of Charlie Kirk.
Um, not to say he should be murdered, but you know, you're just like, yeah, the option that you can't do, you cannot debate this.
There's no debating this.
Um, it's, it's certain people just get eternally trapped in that sort of, that man trap of, uh, arrested development, you know, and, and financial reward, you know, people like Posobiec are just, he's just for, you know, it's his career.
It's his career to remain, uh, a fascist.
So he's, he's never going to be able to, uh, I think it was at Sinclair Lewis who said, you know, you can't get people to understand things that their salary depends upon them.
Not.
I believe that Sinclair Lewis.
Yes, I believe.
Yeah.
Well, and, and Posobiec is a, so big is a, is an ideological.
I mean, he, it's, it's not even about him.
It's, it's, it's, it's, it's ideological for him.
you know.
Absolutely, absolutely.
Yeah, I think some of the other ones know they're flam flam artists.
They're just going where the paycheck is, but you know, well, it's the same thing looked at from different angles, I always say, yeah, yeah, George Soros, pay those people to not do this shit.
You know, that would be good, buddy.
Can you imagine if the left the kind of financial resources that the right does?
You and I would eat like kings, my friends.
But we'd still be, we'd still be at the same fundamental disadvantage, which is that we have to actually have to take the time to know what we're talking about.
And they don't.
Exactly.
No.
It's that sort of, it's that built-in structural advantage that they have, which is that they can just sit there and make shit up and just talk.
And, you know, they can spend five minutes just spewing crap that's popped into their heads.
And there's no consequences.
There's no comebacks.
It doesn't matter.
They can just do that.
And the next day they can sit down and spend another two, three, four hours doing that again.
And for every lie they tell, you know, that's an hour, that's two hours researching and explaining.
And by the time you've debunked one of their lies, they've told 14 more.
You know, it's however much money George Soros pays us, we still, we still need to use it to do that job instead of their job, which is much easier.
Yes, exactly.
Yeah.
Actually, I'm not looking for the George Soros chair.
Okay, I'll take one.
If George Soros wants to give me a few, I'll take it.
Believe me.
It doesn't come with strings, though.
No strings attached.
Anyway.
Oh, man.
It's been a rough month not being able to record to you, my friend.
We've had a lot to talk about.
Did you see that this one apartment building where they raided and oh my God, it was it was just it was just an orgy of sort of public performative sadism.
You know, they have helicopters.
Yeah, that's right.
And they're performing being uh Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible, you know, coming down on ladders and crap like this.
And they're dragging the people out.
And they've got reportedly, they're dragging children out of bed and pulling them into the streets naked or half naked and zip tying them together.
Just absolutely just despicable public sadism.
And it turns out not only that, not only is this sort of public state fascist racist, you know, media spectacle sadism, the whole thing turned out to have been fundamentally motivated by the landlords being up to their necks in violations and unpainted unpaid fines and fees.
They want the people out.
So they call in ICE basically to be their, what's the word?
Bailiffs for them.
Yeah.
To just eject these people.
Yeah.
You see stuff like that and you think, what?
It's no on the nose.
What am I doing here?
This is what fascism is.
It's just, you know, it's just, it's just the ruling class using the financial tools at their disposal to crush the weak, you know, and scapegoat the weak.
It's just, I mean, it's, it's, you know, it's remarkable.
It's so, if this was in a novel, you wouldn't believe it.
It's just too on the fucking nose.
It's just, you know, like, oh, what, what's that you say?
The man?
You want me to victimize my fellow human beings, only the ones that are poorer and more desperate and more oppressed than me?
Um, what?
You'll let me live out my call of duty fantasies?
Okay, okay, sir.
Okay, master.
I'll do that.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
No, it's it hurts.
It does.
It hurts.
It really does see this.
And some of those videos have just been, I mean, harrowing.
The one that sticks with me, I mean, there are a lot of, I mean, look, there are a lot of that stick with me.
Look, might sound a bit insensitive, kind of, if it does change your perspective a bit when you've been learning Spanish and suddenly you can actually, you know, obviously you don't need to know a lot of Spanish to know what a yudame means.
It means help me.
Just, you know, when somebody yells at yudame, yudame, yudame, you know, a bunch, you know, you kind of get the gist, but like suddenly, like understanding it, it does.
Those videos get harder and harder to watch is all I'm going to say for me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think the one that, I mean, the hopeful one is when the streets of Chicago, they're, they have this guy.
We have no idea what this guy supposedly did, but they got this guy.
They're trying to put him in the bracelets, trying to pick him up.
It's these two fat ass large, you know, sorry.
We're not supposed to body shame people, but you know, it's these two renter thugs, you know, and they're just in the middle of the street and just guys sitting there accosting them, just yelling at them, not touching them, just yelling at them.
Let him go, let him go, let him go, you know, two languages, et cetera, you know, and just the guy's fighting back and he gets away and they just, they just, they let him go.
Oh, that's, you know, it gives you hope.
He gives you hope.
Is that's one of the videos that has actually sort of left me feeling something other than despair because it's just you have this crowd of people surrounding these two fucking masked brown shirt guys trying to arrest this poor guy.
Um, and the people around them are just interfering and they're being, you know, they have to be so careful because they know they could be uh they could be arrested themselves, you know, but they're just they're just most of these people they're just staying on the on the right side of what they think they can get away with doing and it's just this sort of continual barrage of little interference that they keep making on in the in these i mean admittedly part of it is just the two ice thugs are completely incompetent flailing idiots
And also the guy himself is, you know, heroically resisting and protesting the entire time.
And they give up and they drive away and the guy gets away.
And it's great.
Which means how big of a priority was this guy in the first place?
Well, yeah, exactly.
They just stopped on a whim.
They just racially profiled this guy walking past.
Yeah.
They found a guy speaking Spanish standing near a home depot and that was enough.
Yeah.
Let's victimize him for kicks.
And at a certain point because of his resistance and their own incompetence and the interference of the people around them, it becomes more trouble than it's worth.
But that's a victory.
Yeah.
No, it is.
And this is how this thing gets won.
It's by those small victories.
That's the reality of it, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think the other one that really affected me in the more negative sense is there was a man of God, a priest who was, you know, giving a benediction.
Just, you know, do not harm these people.
These are human beings who are, you know, children of God, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
This guy just pepper balls him in the face.
Yeah.
It's right there, right there on video.
Just points the gun at him and shoots him.
And they're up on a roof as well.
They're up on a roof.
We'll find the clips.
And you can hear them and you can watch these.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But you can hear them laughing about it once the guy's doubled over in pain.
Yeah.
And they're spraying pepper spray all over the place.
As many people have pointed out, you know, pepper spray is vicious stuff and it lingers.
Yeah.
So these poor neighborhoods, they're streets.
The streets where children have to walk to school in the morning are doused in this stinging.
And people don't always know what pepper spray is.
It's not, it's not like black pepper.
It's, uh, it's capsaicin.
It's actually like the chemical that makes things spicy.
Um, I mean, it's, it, it, I mean, that's, it'll burn you.
I mean, it literally burns, you know?
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Um, yeah, it's, I mean, um, I think back to Katie Davis court talking about, you know, I got a black eye because an Antifa, you know, face.
You got in the way of somebody who was waving a flag.
You got in the way.
But I mean, Linda Toronto was a journalist on, I think in Minneapolis in 2020 and a, and a, and a government thug like literally shot her in the face with a rubber bullet.
She lost an eye.
She lost an eye.
That's right.
I mean, she's having, she says health, it's health responses for that.
She may die of that injury and that's an agent of the state.
So yeah.
You know, if some punk kid breaks a Starbucks glass or like hits Katie Davis court in the face lightly with a, I, I'm not concerned with that.
You know, this is, we're talking about state violence.
We're talking about like formalized, organized state violence against innocent people.
And even if they're not innocent, you still got to prove that they aren't like, it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's just brown shirts in the streets time.
That's, that's what this is.
It is exactly.
Yeah.
It is exactly that.
But it is, you know, for, for, for all that it's distressing and disturbing and depressing to see this happening.
Uh, I am encouraged to see the resistance of ordinary people, you know, making pains in the ass of themselves in corridors, just shouting at these guys, refusing to let up, uh, people just refusing to let them arrest this guy that they pick off the street because he looks, he looks wrong to them.
Yeah.
Uh, and it's happening a lot.
Loads of people are doing this.
Yeah.
No, it's happening.
Ordinary, ordinary people.
I saw there was a thread on Blue Sky.
I was looking at earlier.
And it's like, you know, I go to some of these, I go to some of these events and like these 50-something wine moms are Fed posting harder than I've ever heard anybody Fed post.
It's like, you know, now, now, actions speak louder than words on one thing, but like at the same time, you know, when people are getting that fed up, then that says something, right?
You know, yeah.
And I guess, I guess, I guess it is talking briefly about the No Kings Day, which happened yesterday as we're recording.
And there was a, so I'm not doxing myself, but there was a No Kings Day in my said I live.
That's not doxing.
There were No Kings Days almost everywhere around the country.
Sometimes there's just a few people.
This one was pretty big from what I understand.
I was not able to attend.
I probably wouldn't have attended anyway, but I had to work that day.
So I wasn't able to during that time period that it was active.
So I was not able to.
But I was nearby and I saw the traffic, believe me, this was a big event.
I am very heartened that people care enough to go out and protest, do the symbolic protest.
But we do have to keep in mind that it is just a symbolic protest.
And I saw some commentary about the like the frog suits, you know, like people kind of using.
I think the meme, like the online meme is cool, but it has to come from a place of action.
It has to come from a place of like the guys who are wearing the frog suits who are out there who are getting hit in the face with pepper balls.
They're doing this to indicate just how silly all this is.
And they're actually putting their literally their lives on the line to do this.
If you're dancing around in a frog suit in downtown Main Street USA, I mean, if it makes you feel better, I'm good.
But, you know, it's not the same thing.
No, no.
No, at its best, it is, you know, it's on the front lines and it's puncturing the, as I say, the sort of call of duty fantasies of these brown shirts.
Yeah.
These brown shirt coward masked thugs that are out there playing, playing with themselves, essentially, playing soldiers.
You know, it's hard for them to feel like they're in commando or predator or whatever if they're faced with a guy who's dancing around in a in an inflatable day glow green tyrannosaurus rex costume you know i i appreciate that but it does it has to be on it has to be as well as loads of other stuff i think that's what the thread you're talking about was talking about how yeah that that's that's lovely but we also need like networks of mutual aid and yeah all this stuff yeah yeah no it's absolutely well and the and the the frog suits actually had utility
it turned out because they actually protected you against the pepper spray.
Well, yeah, there's that.
There was a guy, I mean, there was a video of like several of these ice ages just pummeling this guy with pepper balls.
And he's just standing there because he's in this inflatable suit.
It doesn't affect him.
Bring it on, motherfucker.
Bring it on.
The mighty force of immigration, of La Migra, is defeated by a simple frog costume.
I love it.
I love the symbol of the impotence.
This is so on point there.
But there is a risk with that sort of thing that it can signal sort of being too concerned with optics and kind of respectability politics of protest.
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I think Governor Pritzker in Illinois has, you know, he's made some good public statements.
He's also sent the state patrol in to sort of break up protesters on the streets because pretty obviously he's too concerned about what it looks like.
He wants to be able to show pictures of empty streets in Chicago and say, look, nothing's happening.
And that is obviously more important to him than people protesting what ICE are doing.
And that is a huge mistake.
That is a huge mistake.
Well, not if you're Pritzker.
If you're thinking about, you know, the Democratic nomination in a few years'time.
But I'm not.
I don't think I'm in with a chance, Daniel.
I try to be realistic about myself and I don't see it happening.
I'm like Jeb Bush.
Given the rules, you know, I mean, you know, given the way the rules are being bent already, you know, I mean, you're not, you're not born in the United States so far as I know.
So you are ineligible.
But, you know.
I was born in Kenya and I am a Muslim.
Oh, man.
But, yeah.
Oh, man.
That Mom Donnie debate was glorious to see, wasn't it?
Anyway.
Oh, he just, yeah.
He just, he just, he just sliced off Cuomo's butt cheeks and just put them in.
He'd wrapped them up in a nice package and just handed them straight to him, didn't he?
I mean.
He just steamrolled right over everybody in the room.
And he had it with a smile on his face.
It's like, my God.
It almost gives you hope.
It almost gives you hope.
But there is another thing that actually you said you wanted to open with this.
And I just completely forgot.
Which was Trump's, Trump's reaction.
Trump's response to No Kings Day.
Yes, we should definitely talk about that.
Yeah, he's not upset at all.
He's not, he's not angry.
In fact, he thinks it's funny.
He's hilarious.
He's laughing about it.
Can you imagine if Joe, if, imagine if Barack Obama, like any, imagine if Barack Obama had been, you know, protested on Atlantic and he posted, I mean, AI video didn't exist at that time, but you know, did something similar, right?
Yeah.
Released video of him strafing around at a crown and pouring shit all over a crowd of Trump supporters or Republicans or, you know, a Tea Party at that time.
Can you imagine?
Fucking imagine.
Like Barack Obama said, cling to your guns in a speech in like 2007, I think.
And they're still holding on to their angries about that.
Basket of Deplorables.
They're still talking about that.
Barack Obama had the, you know, and I'm not defending Barack Obama, but he had the temerity to shed a single tear about, was it, was it Trayvon Martin?
Yeah, I think it was Trayvon Martin.
It was a school shooting, wasn't it?
It was, yeah, yeah.
It was Sandy Hook.
He shed it.
And the Trayvon Martin thing was when he says, oh, you know, if I, if I had a son, he would look like Trayvon.
You know, the country was just splattered with gray matter and blood because of thousands of Republicans who just exploded.
Exactly.
I mean, just the idea.
I mean, I think that Trayvon Martin quote where he's like, you know, well, I think, you know, if I'd had a son, I would, it would look like Trayvon Martin, which is true.
But the fact that he reminded you he's black, you know, was suddenly off the deep end, off the fucking deep end.
It's bad enough that he be black while also being the president, but he also has the temerity to talk about it.
You know, he should just, okay, I suppose if we have to do this, but can we at least agree to just pretend it's not happening?
Oh my God.
All right.
I just, I saw that video.
It's one of those things I woke up this morning and I like open up blue sky because that's what you do now.
You just open up your social media of choice and just see what's going wrong in the world.
That's your daily.
And as you're doing it, you think, I shouldn't be doing this.
Why are you doing this?
Stop.
But you do it anyway.
I was, I literally, I knew we were going to record today and I woke up this morning and I'm like, I can do my Spanish now or I can up up blue sky.
And I knew which one was better for me, but I also knew which one I was going to do.
So, you know, and I just, it was a little like people are going like, okay, what is this with Trump and diarrhea?
Like, you know, so before I saw the video, I knew, oh, God, don't let's.
And you see it and it's just, I mean, he's a little like, no, King's Day.
Well, I'm a king and I'm going to shit all over you.
Like, that's, I mean, that's, I mean, that's, it's, it's, there's no subtext there.
It's just he believes he's a king and in his little world, they all want him to be the king.
And that's absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
KJ.
We hear, we hear a lot about how Americans live in sort of different universes or different realities.
I mean, I think, yeah, to an extent, but there's also an extent to which you all live in the same reality.
It's just that you see it in different ways.
Millions of Americans looked at that video, which is an open admission that Trump is, he's shitting himself in fury about the protests.
B, he's just admitting that he wants that he thinks he's a king, that he feels entitled to attack American citizens if they disagree with him in the most degrading way possible.
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And it's all presented to you as good.
And millions of Americans see that.
And there's, yeah, yeah, I'm on board.
Yes.
Sign me up.
Because that's what they want.
They want a king.
That's what this has always been about.
They want a big, strong, authoritarian daddy who will crush the people that they hate.
And they know what's real.
They just feel differently about it to you.
And those are the people who, you know, they cannot be, they cannot be reasoned with.
They cannot be negotiated with.
They cannot be appeased.
They need to be defeated.
Yeah.
It's just there it is.
Yep.
And one of the ways you do that by giving us money.
No, no, not at all.
Yes.
Yes, please.
But, you know, no, that's not.
One of the ways you do it is to support mutual aid.
You know what's going on in your town.
You know what's going on in your city.
You know the kinds of people who need help and you know the kinds of people who might be doing things that can help that.
And that does not mean going to down to registered voters for the Democratic Party.
That is, that may be something to do when you've done all the other stuff, but there's a lot more stuff to do.
And you know what's going on in your town.
Homeless shelters, groups, you know, et cetera.
Any and all that stuff, they always need volunteers.
They always need helpers.
You know, not bombs, anything like that.
You know, become your local anti-fascist.
And that does not mean we're dressing up in block necessarily and breaking windows.
But anti-fascism is a philosophy and it's a practice.
And that's all I got to say.
Yeah.
And, you know, I joked about it and I could be better on this, but don't doom scroll.
Don't cling to 24-hour news.
Don't stay constantly on social media.
You know, don't do that to yourself.
Focus on something constructive.
And I speak as somebody who's coming out of weeks of depression.
That's how you do it.
You focus on something that you can achieve and you do it.
Taking care of your health is also an important part of this.
One thing that you learn when I've done this for a while, it is a marathon, not a sprint.
You are not here to, this is not going to get solved tomorrow.
It's not going to get solved in two weeks, Rao.
This is, you know, I saw one battle after another.
I've seen it twice now.
And, you know, it really is.
It's one battle after another.
You're training your kids to do this down the line.
The fight goes on, you know.
Not that you can afford to have any kids.
Well, I don't have any kids.
I'm trying to teach the youngins around me.
Come on.
Anyway.
They can do the actual fighting.
We got to get out of here.
But yeah, no.
That's all I got.
Okay.
Well, we're back, babies, and we will be seeing you quite soon.
In the meantime, yeah, think about dropping Daniel some bucks on Patreon.
That would be very much appreciated.
If you're going to give one of us some money at the moment, give it to Daniel because he needs it a little bit more than I do just at the moment.
That changes from year to year and month to month.
But I think I would agree right now.
In the past, that has not been the case.
But I think now that is definitely the case.
If you can't, or you don't feel like doing that, then spread the word, you know, tell us about it and tell people about us.
And just a little like on the old Blue Sky Post tweet that bumps up the mood.
Just been telling you to stay off social media.
And I should follow my own advice.
Clip your favorite bits and share them around too.
That would be fun.
Make it go viral.
That'd be fun.
Just print out transcripts and reenact them with your friends and re-record them and then release them as your own podcast and take the credit.