News Roundup: ICE, Antifa Roundtable, No Kings 2, etc
We're back with a news roundup. One or two things have happened since we last talked. Episode Notes: Katie Daviscourt on Poso's podcast, playing the video she recorded alongside their dramatization of it. https://x.com/RealAmVoice/status/1973457224354898355 ICE shoots an unarmed priest: https://bsky.app/profile/johnpfaff.bsky.social/post/3m2nl24yqpc2v Hecklers force ICE wannabees to give up. A ray of hope. https://bsky.app/profile/bluskypolitics.bsky.social/post/3m2hrcpo3qs2v The "ten-car incident" video https://bsky.app/profile/helldude.bsky.social/post/3m2fxjonrds2w Show Notes: Daniel's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/danielharper/posts Jack's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4196618&fan_landing=true IDSG Twitter: https://twitter.com/idsgpod Daniel's Twitter: @danieleharper Jack's (Locked) Twitter: @_Jack_Graham_ Jack's Bluesky: @timescarcass.bsky.social Daniel's Bluesky: @danielharper.bsky.social IDSG on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-dont-speak-german/id1449848509?ls=1
Well, I I actually sort of flirted with the idea of seeing if I could find a transcript of the the free speech speech that he makes.
I think he made that at the Antifa round table or after it or something.
He actually says, you know, and of course all the all the liberal commentators have jumped on.
He says we've done away with free speech.
And of course, it's just Trump's brain turning to mush.
You know, he yes, he has, but at the same time, he's not actually admitting to that.
You know, he's he's he's talking about people burning the flag and all this sort of brain dead boomer gibberish.
But it it's just his brain melting.
But I f I flirted with the idea of finding a um like a transcript of that and just reading it because it is just gibberish.
It's just absolute gibberish.
The thing that uh the thing that I saw, I mean, this is back when he was president the first time, I think.
Um, but uh uh foreign journalists when they cover Trump and they quote him, they quote the things he actually says with all the ums and ahs and the you know and all the transliterations and all the bullshit that he like when American papers quote him, they quote what he was supposed to have said, you know.
Yeah, yeah, they make it into a simple declarative sentence, and you know, um yeah and it's just it's just so um so enlightening to suddenly hear like sometimes he quoted what he actually said.
So uh I was I almost thought you were gonna say, I'm going to uh take the speech and I'm gonna put it through like a speech modulator and I'm gonna like play that, you know, like well, there is a I've uh this has been done by a few people.
John Oliver did this way back 10 years ago when this whole thing started when Trump was originally just running against Clinton, you know, in the in the first in the first election.
I'd think it was then, where he just took a he just took a Trump speech and they got uh a computer voice to read it just in a flat monotone, you know, blah blah blah blah blah.
And there is something about doing that, taking that out of his voice and out of his sounds of such a strange thing to say, but out of his screen presence.
Right because like it or not, the guy does have a kind of presence.
He does have a kind of charisma.
I know it's bizarre to say that, but it is true.
He does and it's I my theory of that is that it's just because there's nothing in there, there's nothing but flim flam and bullshit um and baffle gab.
He's he's developed this ability to cover it to to sort of squid ink in the way he talks, you know.
And he he does this thing where he will he will run out of things to say, but he will sort of do it in a kind of oh my my brain is racing through I'm thinking about too many things at once, I'm gonna break off in the middle of this sentence because something else has just occurred to me.
It's it he does a fairly good facsimile of a guy whose brain moves incredibly fast and his mouth has to race to keep up.
And of course, that's not what's happening.
No, it's happening is that he cannot complete thoughts.
He he doesn't have whole thoughts.
But if you just read the text of what he says back sometimes, it does make it clearer that the man just doesn't he's he's always faking.
He is always pretending to be thinking and speaking.
He's not it's not thinking or speaking.
Even less so now.
Like that speech I was talking about, the one I'm talking about, he is it's very obvious what he's doing is trying desperately to remember and repeat stuff that Steve Stephen Miller has said to him, and he can't do it.
Right.
Remarkable.
No, I I'm with you.
Now I'm thinking being there is a movie we should do.
But I'm thinking.
Okay, so welcome, listeners to it sounded better in the original German.
That's the title.
Uh we've been away, but now we are back and the world will be sorry.
Uh of course, ice ages have passed, epochs have uh gone by, empires have risen and fallen in the time that we've been away.
Um, but we are back, and uh Daniel, how are you doing?
Well, you know, funny you should ask.
Yeah, I set you up and now you can go.
Yes.
I'd like to say as I'm doing great, Jack.
Things are things are very perfect.
My life is great.
That's great.
Okay, moving on.
Uh but then again, I do live in the United States of America.
It is uh October 19th, 2025.
And um, you know, it is, I'm sorry, but it is.
You know, you know.
Um it's uh every day.
I just wonder whether your country or mine is gonna fall into fascism further.
And I think right now mine is mine is moving faster than yours.
So um you're ahead of us at the moment.
You know, so you know, we'll see.
We'll see.
um I did want to uh so this is gonna be a news roundup, and I did want to um uh just kind of share some personal news here at the beginning, and we're not gonna get all sappy, we're not gonna um do that.
But uh I did want to say on a and uh I think I've done this behind us, but as of right now, I am recently divorced.
I have moved out of my old house.
I am now in the cheapest little apartment I could find that was not an absolute uh rat hole, and um cannot really afford it.
Let's just put it that way.
Um I do have some money saved up, but I've been looking for a full-time job that will pay me, you know, a decent wage for a while, and that's been very difficult.
And I don't think that this podcast had anything to do with it because nobody ever came to me and said like asked about it, but certain stage in the interview process, and then it just kind of nothing happens.
So um that's been frustrating.
But um, I think what I wanted to say more than anything was um thank you to all to everything.
First of all, thank you to everybody for listening for kind of going through kind of the ebbs and flows of the I think the last couple of years have been have been rough for for both Jack and myself.
Um but now that I'm uh out and now that I'm on my own, I think um it's gonna make me a lot more consistent in terms of what I can actually do.
I know I owe a lot of you responses to emails and blue sky DMs and that sort of thing, and I'm hoping to get back to all that stuff.
If I I didn't get back to you before, message me again and uh we'll see if I can't um help you out.
But um really what I'm hoping is uh we're gonna be a lot more consistent, either doing like news briefs or main episodes or bonus content, try to do that on a more much more regular basis.
Hopefully back to every week, if not every two weeks.
But we'd like to go every week, if possible.
Um we're gonna just definitely gonna miss weeks before we just can't.
Um but um I thank you.
I thank you for all that.
And um if you if you do want to support if you do want to support, I'll just say if you want to support me, I did the math on this.
I'd have to make like three times as much money on my Patreon to begin to really like treat this as a full-time job.
Um, I put a lot a lot of hours into it, but in turn in terms of like making the podcast and making the you know the content a full-time thing, I it has to be at least about three times what I'm making now.
And I don't think that's realistic.
I don't there are other people that need that money more than I do, let's put it that way.
Um but um and so I'm not this is not me begging for dollars, it's just yeah, getting, you know, realistically, what I make on this podcast, I can make it a teen down 15-hour week uh job washing dishes or something.
Um, you know, and that would be much less soul crushing than what I do now.
So um, well, I do the money is helpful, but um, you know, um it's not has been very, very helpful over the course of the time.
But um ultimately what I'm saying is I thank you for your support.
But unless that Patreon gets to a much higher level, this is still gonna be like part-time gig for me.
And that's fine.
I'm very happy to do it.
I don't do this for money, um, but it helps.
Anyway, that's all I have to say about that.
Yeah, and I'll just add on on personal level my end.
We there has been a big gap, and part of that has been, you know, all this stuff going on in Daniel's life.
And I haven't been much uh used to anybody, at least of all my friend Daniel recently, because I've also had uh I've been uh to be fair, you know, I'm I have I have trouble being uh emotionally open, which is something I'm working on.
But I've been depressed and it's partly to do with health prop health problems that I've been having um for the last three years.
Well, I can tell you exactly when they started.
They started on the 10th of September 2022, and they've been ongoing to a greater or lesser extent since then, and sometimes they are very, very depressing.
And I've kind of been useless for the last few.
But uh I'm feeling better, and uh I'm glad that Daniel is you know moving forward, you know, making progress and and getting getting back to uh you know, maybe not into the groove, but you know, he's he's got the stylus and he's uh it's it's hovering over the record anyway.
None of you know what I'm talking about because I'm so old.
That is that is that is not that is not a John Gen Z reference, my friend, but uh actually maybe more so than our generation, believe it or not, because nowadays kids when they do buy an album, they do buy out on vinyls.
Yeah, it's probably it's become relevant again.
You'd have to talk about the CDs for it really to, you know, for it just go over their heads completely.
It's like a middle disc that sometimes had two sides.
Yes.
Huh?
Stone Age technology.
Anyway, all right, let's let's move on.
Anyway, yeah.
So this is a news roundup episode, and I think are we gonna start with the Antifa round table at the White House?
Is that where you want to start with that?
I think I wanted to start just to kind of cover a little bit of the Charlie Kirk.
I mean, just for a couple of minutes.
So uh God, did you watch that memorial?
The Charlie Kirk Memorial Service slash religious revival slash WWE bout.
Yeah, God, it was uh I was going to say uh memorial memorial service, memorial service.
I'm not sure I saw that.
I know I saw something.
Uh I don't know if I would actually call it a memorial service.
It doesn't, it didn't look or sound anything like any memorial service that I've ever seen or been to, uh, uh, or even imagined in my worst nightmares.
But um, yeah, I I I did see some of it.
I saw Stephen Miller uh delivering a speech more or less uh ripped off from Joseph Goebbels.
Yes.
Uh I saw Erica Kirk being very strange on the on the on the on the uh stage.
I don't suppose we can really blame her for that, given that.
I I think I'm I'm gonna be a little less I'm I'm gonna treat Erica Kirk.
You know, we treat her she's a monster, but we treat her with she she is mourning her husband still.
Um exactly.
Um I think the fairest way to describe her is she was giving she she's a former beauty pageant contestant, and she was giving very beauty pageant energy um at that memorial service.
It was very um, you know, you could see the Southern Bell, uh, you know, like Trump was trying to win gold or whatever.
It was a strange reversal seeing her being sort of physically invasive with Trump, you know, a woman invading Trump's personal space and Trump being visibly physically uncomfortable with with a woman sort of touching him and being near him and being affectionate on him, and uh and then standing there and you know, at this great big Christian speech where they're all they're all virtue signaling their their intense Christian virtue to to the world.
He just says, um, yeah, Charlie, uh, I disagree with him uh about I mean, you know, he's talking crap about Charlie Kirk, obviously, because Charlie Kirk was a uh an intensely vindictive, cruel, uh stochastic terrorist who spent his life endangering other people's lives because he hated them, uh, and it was in his interest to do.
But the the party line was that Charlie Kirk is this great Christian and loved his enemies and forgave them, etc.
Um, Trump just said, yeah, I disagree with Charlie on that.
I hate my enemies and I want them to die.
It was just as usual, you know.
Um there's there's a kind of sneaking admiration for the honesty there, yeah.
Because of course none of these people really believe in forgiving and all that stuff either.
They're they're they're they're they're actively pushing all the all the bullshit that Trump pushes against their political enemies.
It's just uh, you know, it uh yeah, it's you know, it's sounding good to the moment.
Um and uh yeah, no, uh there's just a great big jamboree that thing.
You know, loads of people trooped down there and they had a great time.
They had a day out, basically.
They they guzzled Cokes and and Big Macs and left the litter lying around in the streets.
Um disgusting display, just left their litter lying in the street for other people to clean up, and they went to a big concert and uh and had this great big sort of orgiastic uh enjoyment of this show where it was all everybody in the same room, uh enjoying you know, this great big sort of feeling of communal hatred.
It was it was a two minutes hate, except that it wasn't merciful enough to uh to actually only last two minutes.
Yeah, it was more like two hours, and I watched every minute uh yeah, but uh yeah, no, and uh now everybody who's anybody in MAGA world is uh proud to say they were at that event.
I was I was at the memorial for Charlie, you know, it's like it's uh it's now it's like it's their Woodstock, you know.
Um so uh but yeah, no, they're they're still releasing episodes of the Charlie Kirk podcast.
It's just he's not on them anymore.
And so well, his buddies, his producer shows up and uh, you know, we'll do it, or they'll uh they'll run old uh interviews with them.
They found an interview he did when he was 18 years old where he was uh he called into some right-wing radio show, and they aired like the the QA that he had, it was like a 12-minute like segment he did on the on the other way to call in her on this on this right-wing radio show.
But at the time it was like low Texas and small governments, you know, it was all these guys, all these guys, they're all grown-ups that have been doing this exact same shtick except getting worse right wing and so on since they were teenagers, Stephen Miller and Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk, they're all sort of frozen in this edgy teenage right winger phase that they never that they never get out of because they they luck into it being a lucrative career at a at a young age.
You know, I used to be a kind of an edgy teenage libertarian type, never right wing type, but I was a libertarian type.
I I think I've been honest about that.
And then you know what happened?
I had to pay bills for myself and got a girlfriend in the same like time period.
And suddenly that kind of changes your perspective on certain things, you know.
Um anyway, that's a long story, but um, you know, anyway.
So that's all that really I want to talk about Charlie Kirk.
I could talk a lot more about all the nonsense of Charlie Kirk.
If people want us to talk more about Charlie Kirk, please let me know.
We will we can definitely do I could talk about Charlie Kirk for hours at this point.
Um but I think importantly, I want to just gesture at a couple of things, which is that Charlie Kirk is to the extent that he ever actually made a did a dint in the national consciousness, even when he died, that has just immediately dissipated.
I saw a uh like a graph of you know Google searches, and it's you obviously you get the massive spike when he gets killed, and then you uh in the news stories come out, and then you get another little spike for the the remembrance service.
Um and then it's just nothing, just slopes away completely.
It it's had you know, they were they were clearly banking on making this guy their sainted martyr, their horse vessel combined with their you know, new Christ, and uh they it just hasn't worked.
It hasn't caught the the public's just instantly kind of oh yeah, that guy, yeah.
And anyway, yeah, just hasn't worked at all.
The other thing I wanted to mention was of course that uh Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson have been making waves with their sort of breaking from the party line, um just out of sheer anti-Semitism.
They they just it was too tempting, they couldn't resist making it into Israel killed him, you know.
Yeah, that that started happening immediately as in certain circles, it's like, oh, he was killed by Israel because he was so he was slightly less slavishly pro-Israel, like in the in the last couple of weeks of his life than he had been previously.
And you look at that as yeah it's nonsense.
It's I mean, I don't know, there's some there's some there there, but it's it's really minor.
And the idea, I mean, yeah, the the the idea, you know, on the on some of these right-wing shows, I mean, they start to go through um they're they're literally gonna be like Zupruder style analysis of, you know, why was there no exit wound to Charlie's body, and the excuses that he was just so strong, his bones are so thick he could stop the bullet.
But how does that possible?
And it's like, oh my god, you guys are fucking crazy.
Um I just I remember sorry, not to people who have mental health issues, but these people are just out to lunch.
Um, you know, it's just it's Candace is Candace is you know an obsessional hater of Jewish people.
Yes, absolutely, absolutely.
I mean and uh she she couldn't resist it, clearly, she just could not resist it.
Yeah, no, it was too much.
And it makes me laugh, you know, because back in the day, Alex Jones would have it would have been on that bandwagon as well.
But Alex Jones is uh, you know, his grift is different now.
It's just fascinating to see how these people have uh changed and uh and evolved over the years.
Of course, not really, they haven't actually changed or evolved at all.
They've just uh turned into different kinds of awful people.
Yes.
Still awful, just with a different flavor, you know.
Yeah, but um, yeah, one of the I mean, God, the whole like Tucker Carlson got when we do the finally do the Meggy Kelly episode, there's so much the Mike and Kelly episode, but we probably won't have time for it.
But uh she was asked about her support for Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson still by some people, and it was just like so how are you because like I stand with Israel more than anybody, I'm not an anti-Semit, of course not.
I support Israel and um I just believe they have a different perspective than me, and I think it is like you know, but uh but I won't I won't disavow this.
I mean, it's just uh the the you know it's uh the juggler dancing on plates on sticks sort of thing.
It was it's kind of remarkable to see.
Um but um probably the one thing that's kind of making impact with Charlie Kirk to death, um, is that is I mean as you say the Hearst Vessel um kind of phenomenon.
And within this sort of right wing influencer griffdo structure, um, that is still going very strong.
That is still something that's going on, and I think leads directly to I think what's gonna be the main topic of our episode of our kind of loosened news round up, and that is the um the anti-file round table that had you know a whole cast of characters that many of whom I've been mentioned on this show before,
except for the ones that are so minor that they've just now come to the forefront we haven't had a time to do episodes on them yet or mention them but um boy this is that was a that was a thing because i watched that i didn't watch it live but i watched it that day and the the degree to which it was you know the exact fucking things i've been wanting you guys about for the last yeah seven years you know yeah i don't know what did you you watched you watch bits and pieces of this you didn't watch the whole thing what's what i mean what was your takeaway what did you what did you kind of come
away i've seen bits of it i mean it's unhinged it's just completely unhinged it's unhinged sort of mccarthyism enemy within on steroid stuff and it's clearly um you know i mean partly it's as as so much that happens in the white house seems to be now it's clearly an attempt by the people around donald trump to just flatter him um and give him stuff to do that makes him look good and give themselves an opportunity to to surround him and and
you know in verbal blowjobs um because you have uh what's again pam bondy you know and she's coming out with absolutely unhinged sort of john birch so when you know in a previous generation this would be john birch society conspiracy theory pamphlet pamphlet shit she's coming out with about antifa you know we're going to destroy the the structure of the organization like we did with the cartels apparently the trump administration has destroyed the cartels i didn't i didn't realize but apparently they have um
they're gonna do the same to Antifa you mean fishermen from Venezuela is that what you really mean that's they've murdered some fishermen in the in in Caribbean and Ven and Venezuelan waters yeah that's what they've actually done that by the way that is an infuriating to to see centrists and people like that and mainstream people talking about this the narrative around it was just it's just infuriating to me.
this well there's no evidence these people if there was evidence that they were narco traffickers or whatever that still wouldn't give you the right to just fucking murder them to go into other people's war territorial waters and just commit you unilaterally decide unilaterally decide to commit murder but yeah i mean it's again like so much like so much of this administration it's savage and it's brutal and it it's a it's a horrible precedent and it's a foot in the door for
further expansion of brute you know violent authoritarian state power but it's also just kind of these people talking to themselves and showing off to themselves and that's really what what the Antifa round table looked like to me.
You have these you have people who are in the real world completely obscure right wing influencers or really just wannabe influencers people like Savannah Hernandez and that guy I knew her back when she guessed it I know her back when she guessed it on Elijah Schaefer's podcast.
Oh, yeah, I was going to say, I think.
Sav says it's her YouTube channel.
Well, this is my point.
Like, you know, Katie Davis Court.
We're going to talk about her.
Don't worry.
We know who these people are, but the public doesn't know who these people are.
Maybe, maybe the public has some chance of having a dim idea who Andy Ngo is and Jack Posobiec, you know.
But Katie Davis Court has been trying to launch her career as a right-wing influencer by pretending to have a black eye from Antifa Pro.
protesters for years now did you see the video of this of this of this incident um the video that she posted on her Twitter account or ex account or whatever we're supposed to call it now um she's a little like you know the way she describes it I mean the way she describes it even in the Antifa round table oh by the way whenever I say antify I imagine like antifa with like dots between it like like a like a military organization in the 60s or something.
Yeah but I imagine it's like you know Spectre in the early Bond films since the guy with a cat you know um no the uh the amazing thing you know Katie Katie Davis court you know she says when she describes it it's like there was radical antifib who's swinging a a flag around and just hit me right in the face and I'm sitting in front of you Mr. Trump Mr. President in honor you can see exactly how terrible this black guy is and first of all I've had
worse black eyes from that from just like you know tripping on a step or something you know um B uh when you watch the video the beginning the video that she posted that I saw um and I haven't seen anything to to do you know she's recording She the the person the you know the young woman I I guess I it looks like a young woman to me who was is it's not like you know flailing around and like aggressively trying to hit people with a flagpole but it's just swaying the flag back and forth while chanting and marching.
She's Katie Daviscourt gets close enough to where she gets hit in the eye with this thing, and then she goes and claims to be the victim here.
And like this is I mean, this is always their amount.
This is some Indian Indian Andy Neo back in the day.
Yeah, he would just he would just like harass he would just harass people, he would get in their face, and then when they responded in kind, he'd go and run to the cops.
That was his that's the MO.
That's that's what all these guys do.
Yeah, this guy Nick Sortor.
Yeah, he picked a fight with some with some street protesters.
Uh, you know, they got into scuffle, everybody went to jail, and then he could say, Oh, I'm being oppressed for my sp free speech.
They didn't they didn't do anything about the antifond.
It's like, dude, it looked like it was a scuffle.
They let you go because they didn't have evidence.
Because that's what happens when there's a scuffle in the streets.
I mean the long arm of the state is not coming after you, Nick Sword.
I promise you.
Talk to people who've been talk to people in Chicago who have been, you know, their their their housing unit has been invaded by ice, and then tell me how you feel about that, you know.
Like well, that this is it.
I think we're gonna talk a little bit about this later, but you know, the ice is just off the chain.
They're just on the rampage in Chicago.
They're they're they're the the did you see the video of them speeding down the street and crashing into the side of this this car, and they stop.
And and to me, I mean it's pretty clear what's happening.
It's like they can't just drive on because that's basically admitting that it's their fault that's making it into a hit and run.
They have to pretend they realize pretty quickly they have to pretend that they've been uh rammed or assaulted because they're just they just lie, you know, it comes out time and time again.
They say this person attacked us, this person shot at us, etc.
Just lies, lies, lies, lies, lies.
So you can see on the video, they but they come out that they come out of their car and they drag this girl, this this I don't know if she's uh teenage girl or a young woman out of her car, having just crashed into the side of her car, and they're kneeling on her neck and just outright assault, just outright and and the cynicism of it as well, the calculated cynicism.
Yeah, I don't think I saw this one.
I I've seen a lot of this stuff, but I don't think I saw this particular one.
Um I mean the the the thing is that this is just I mean, I hate it's just routine now.
I mean, I do not live that far from Chicago.
Um, and if I had you know had a little bit more resources, I definitely would have taken the trade in and and uh uh you know documented some of this myself.
It's just it's it's horrifying.
It's just absolutely despicable what's going on in both Portland and Chicago.
I think those are the two epicenters of it.
Um, you know, it's just we have these these fucking cowardly masked brown shirts essentially on the streets, just on the rampage, beating people up, pepper spraying people for for daring to talk back to them.
Uh well, and I mean, I'm sorry, but like first of all, I mean, again, you know, this would be horrifying if these were actually like a gang members and such that they're you know, there's no due process being done here, you know.
All and yeah, I mean the whole thing.
Well again, type video after video after video of people confronting them say, you know, and saying that they're arresting somebody, that they've got their business arresting, and somebody confronts them and says it's video after video of this, saying, Where's your warrant?
Where's your authority?
And they just it's just these these fucking guys in masks with no ID, no badge, no warrant.
They just say we don't need warrant, we don't need an authority.
And and you know, if you if you if you keep at them, they said you want to be arrested.
What authority, asshole?
You know what I mean?
You're well, I mean, and this is this actually came to a point.
You don't get to ask me what authority.
If you ask me what authority, I'll arrest you for asking.
You know, that's what was happening.
Well, the that's what's happening.
These guys are the authority of what agency, the authority, well, like who are you?
You know, like that's the point of a you know, look, you're skeptical of the police.
We fuck the police, believe me.
Yes, yes, you know, fuck the police.
But the whole point, you know, the the idea of law enforcement is that these are agents of the states who are sent to uh perform official duties and enforced laws based on like the idea that these are like anonymous people who don't have to show identification who don't who can just scoop people up.
That's how you get vigilantes to just come out and like take matters of their own hands with their own personal enemies.
Like this is down that path.
You saw some recent 2020 of people just getting snatched up in vans, driven around for a while and released, and it's like, well, there's no paperwork because we who who knows if that was actually an ice van.
Who knows that that could be anybody.
I mean, like you see somebody on the street with a ship.
You can buy like an ice vest from a costume shop for for a hundred bucks.
I promise you.
Like this is not like these could be anybody.
These are just these are just nobodies.
There's no reason to take any of this seriously.
Yeah.
And how much how much you know um sexual assault is going on uh under the cover of all this as well.
you know no i mean this is it this is how this is how a uh you know a stormtrooper force assembles this is how the brown shirts take over the streets this is how it happens yeah uh cops are cops cops are bad you know i agree but uh they have to they have to have their their their badges on display they have to have their numbers on display they have to have their uh their body cams going these guys this is just some guy that saw some fucking uh far right meme uh posted on twitter by
the white house or the department of homeland security and thought oh yeah i'd like to do that and he just goes in and he gets his flak jacket and his and his gun and his mask and he's out there playing at being uh Ernst Rome all of a sudden yeah no exactly and I mean you know and there's they've been you know there has been some deputy I think of of where IC is like kind of but like again these are not like trained officers these are you know it's just I mean I just I look at this and it's just essentially they are state vigilantes.
Yes, exactly.
It's not that it would be good if they were more professional.
Don't get me wrong on this.
The point is, you know, but the cruelty is the point of this stuff.
That's why they're doing it.
The show of force, the show of horror is the point of this.
The idea is to make people self-deported.
It's to make people so scared that they won't go to the doctor's appointments.
They won't go to their, they're just going to flee the country.
That's the point of it.
The point is not to actually find bad people or whatever and put them through the secrets of a lot of the points.
the point is to make people terrified this is state terrorism is what it is.
And hopefully also deter people from coming to voting booths next year.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, God.
I can't even imagine.
I can't even imagine what the November election is going to look like.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, that's – yeah, we'll definitely see that.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean – Yeah, the Antifa roundtable.
My favorite bit of that is when – because – I think another bit.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
Sobiak is talking about – and he's giving Trump a history lecture on Antifa.
And he says, well, you know, this organization has existed for a century in different forms.
And it goes back to Weimar-Jones.
Germany that's like you're admitting more than you realize there well Jack Pesobia knows exactly what he is he's Jack Pesobic knows exactly what he said he just thinks that nobody else in the room is gonna call him out on it and there he was right about that but I was done in the room don't worry Jap Soviet I know what you are you know I know what you are why Jack why did Antifa come into existence in Weimar Germany what was there's what was happening in Voimar Germany.
There's gonna be a Pasovic episode down the pipe I promise you anyway is so fucking obnoxious he's so fucking obnoxious.
He's such a little weasel that guy yeah he is um you know he just learned the lesson it's okay if you're a Nazi so long you just praise Trump constantly if you just praise Trump you get to be a Nazi that's it yeah it's the whole point.
but uh yeah i know um yeah remarkable remarkable stuff um my favorite the thing i thought you were going to mention i mean is that so pasovic says oh the organization is about 100 years old it's got you know and and we know who the funders are we know like we there's a you know they kind of dance around whether it's an organization or not they you know they they want to make it so that they can do like rico charges and so they can do like domestic terrorism and declare anti-fund domestic terrorist group etc etc um and to do that they have to show that there are like financial ties
that this bigger organization and god we could go through all the stuff i rewatched this video this afternoon before we started recording and it's just it's unhindered stuff it's like the democratic socialist of america the dsa some of those members also work on anti-homelessness rallies and some of the people in those anti-homelessness rallies also do black box activities that means that the dsa and everybody who ever gave to the dsa is part of this antifa funding group you know that's the kind of legal theory they're trying to go around
did you see that some of that information apparently the apparently cash battel's FBI went they saw Glenn Beck giving one of his chalkboard lectures about Antifa on on his show and they sent agents around to get primed on Antifa's funding sources from Glenn fucking Beck.
There really is no daylight there I mean, I think one of the things that this last like 10 months or so is is is really like taught us is that there is zero daylight between like the right wing online influencer crowd and the uh the actual Trump administration.
Like those are the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
In a way that you know they'll describe like MSNBC as MSDNC like it's just democratic talking points and there's some truth to that.
But there was never like a it never got that close.
I mean they're they're literally like members of the Trump administration appear on Jack Pasobi's show to spread Trump agenda propaganda.
That is that's just how this works now.
Um and you know Pesobia gives them the the the can lines he has to get them to get the right answers out and then he there's no pushback there's no follow-up there's no nothing it's just completely unless oh you're not going far enough that would be the only criticism he ever gives and it's endemic.
It's just it's across this stuff.
You know Tucker Carlson is a is a paragraph of virtue in comparison the the the sort of the theory of Antifa on display here is really it it is you know Schrdinger's Antifa.
It's this big organization when they need it to be when they want to contemplate things like Rico charges against this notional sort of octopus of fun, you know, dark money and so on.
It's that when they need it to be and you have this uh ridiculous woman Savannah Hernandez saying it's akin to ISIS you know it works like ISIS and stuff.
But when they need it to just be when they need it to not be an organization it's also not an organization.
This is one of the great things about Antifa for their from their point of view because you know as a the sort of as an aesthetic tool because they can pretend that it's this big conspiratorial organization.
And of course once you're into conspiracy theories the lack of evidence becomes evidence.
So you can say, well, there's no evidence of any ties here.
That only goes to show how nefarious the connections are.
If you find the connections, it's a clear sign of open plotting.
And if you don't find it, it's just because they were so good at hiding it.
It reminded me, actually, we did an episode a little while ago where we talked a little bit about Gerald Posner, the author who'd written one of the actually quite good books about the JFK's fascination, debunking the conspiracy.
And he's now a kind of Trump-adjacent, transphobic Israel stan.
Just a horrible, horrible piece of shit, this guy.
And he did this.
He wrote one good book.
We're allowed to say he wrote one good book, right?
He might even have written a couple of good books, but now he's irredeemable.
But I read his article, his sub-stack, where he purports to reveal this great big dark money conspiracy to inject trans ideology into the mainstream agenda and so on.
And the extent that...
And he's quoting outright sort of anti-Semitic, sort of lizard person believing, David Icke believing sort of people.
I can't remember the woman's name, but he's quoting people like that.
But to the extent that any of it's real, it's just, yes, a liberal billionaire or a liberal foundation donated some money to a trans charity.
That's it.
That's all they've got.
Yes, you know...
There's a charity that supports trans people.
A rich person believed that trans people are people as they should, are just people yeah and who are marginalized in society somebody felt bad wrote a 10,000 dollar check because they can afford to do that I can't afford to do that but they can afford to do that.
And suddenly they're part of this cabal of Trantifa that that they they murdered Charlie Kirk that giving a few dollars to an organization that helps trans kids is the exact same thing as shooting Carly Charlie Kirk in the neck who does the exact same thing as you know attacking ICE officers shooting Trump in the head.
You know it's all that's that's the that's the line of dominoes that you have to draw you know but their their conspiratorial theory of of Antifa works exactly the same way.
You know they they've got Glenn Beck's got the open society foundation and all this sort of on this big chalkboard list of people who are part of this of this uh you know uh network of it's just yeah to the when it's real it's banal yes when it's anything other than banal it's not real but it is it is useful as I say because Antifa isn't an organization it's just a it's just a it's just a way of organizing it's just a trend of organizing or whatever.
It's just you know it's a at its most it's a network of ideological sympathies.
But that's handy because it means you can adjust you can just arrest Anybody you want and you can call them Antifa.
And if there's no evidence they've got any any connections, all to the good.
Just goes to show, doesn't it?
That's what they that's that's how they're gonna do it.
You know, I'm keeping my nose clean.
Let's just put it that way.
You know, I am I am telling you, you know, if there was if there was some big money given like people who are doing anti-fascist work, you know.
I I'm pretty sure I would have heard about it at some point in the last few years.
That's all I can say.
I'm pretty sure somebody I know would have gotten a check.
Let's just put it that way.
Um, yeah, it's remarkable.
All right, my favorite.
I mean, the the bit that's been going kind of a little bit viral, or like kind of the thing that everybody knows is that Jack Pasobia says, uh, you know, Antifa is an organization that's 100 years old, it goes back to Weimar Germany, as you said.
And then, like, three minutes later, I think Pam Blondie says, uh, you know, we just arrested the girlfriend of the founder of Antifa.
It's like so she's like 135 years old or something.
Like, you know, I think that was Christy Gnome, actually.
Oh, it's Christy Noah.
Yes, yes, excuse me.
Yeah, yeah.
Um we've arrested the ex-girlfriend of the founder of Andrew.
So what do you have arrested her?
I mean, firstly, firstly, leave the poor woman alone.
She's 130.
Secondly, what have you arrested her for?
She split from him, you know.
It's not her fault.
I I mean, I I just wanna like for this is at a press conference, and I get that Trump didn't allow a lot of like real questions to be asked.
Like he literally like told off a CNN reporter who was asking him a question after this round table.
The question I want to know is Christy Noam, what is that person's name that you arrested?
I want to know that person's name.
Can we get the can we get the police records?
Because I'm curious about this.
What are the charges?
What do you have?
Um, nobody she's never gonna be held to account for that.
Of course not.
Like, I mean, you know, it's not it's not real.
It's it's not I agree, it's not real, but it's like that that just lays bare the idea that of course, you know.
Okay, what's the rest record?
Who did you I mean Doge was finding fraud all through the government?
Well, where are the charges then?
Where are the court cases?
Yeah, you found fraud, yeah, fraud, fraud's a crime.
Where are the I know at least one person who was doing fraud do defrauding the US government?
That's uh the man who's now president of the United States.
Yeah, he's definitely doing some of that.
Um at me, bro.
Please don't.
Um God, well, you know, instead of a prison cell, I mean, you know, there are worse places to be, I think right now.
It's a roof over your head, you know, and a regular meal.
Um yeah, yeah.
Oh god, it's just so it's so fucking stupid, man.
Um I don't know.
We can go on and on about this anti-bow round table.
Um, we've talked a little bit about the protests in Chicago and Portland and how we should probably talk a little bit about the the young republican chat logs leak.
Okay, yeah, yeah.
Definitely.
I mean, that's it's connected to what we've been talking about.
Um, I mean, directly because there was some sort of debate, I think it was a news nation debate, and they had it, they had the TP USA spokesman on there, you know, the new guy that that's taken over.
Um, Andrew, Andrew or something, Andrew S something, right?
Andrew something, that's right.
Yeah, that's his name, Andrew something.
Um, and he he's just sort of he's challenged by uh some like liberal democrat YouTuber or something who's who is you know very properly denounced people who are joking about Charlie Kirk.
And he says, Well, can you denounce these young Republicans in this chat?
Who were saying, let's be clear, we love Hitler, let's rape our political enemies.
Uh calling black people watermelon people and monkeys and the N-words and saying that they want to put their enemies in gas chambers.
And this guy, he will not he will not denounce it.
He ducks and he weaves, and he he will not.
He spends minutes on that stage just refusing to denounce that.
And it's the you know, we're we're being told simultaneously that Antifa are the real fascists.
I mean, to be clear, there's there's nothing remotely surprising about the fact that a bunch of quote unquote young Republicans in their private internet chats would be saying stuff like this.
It it is absolutely unsurprising.
Uh, but it should be very easy to denounce.
So this man's name, I uh so he's his name is Andrew Colvet.
I could not remember his last name, not because I'm not familiar with him, but because he's always just referred to as Andrew on the Charlie Kirk podcast.
He has basically taken over the co-hosting dude or the hosting duties.
He used to occasionally co-host, I believe.
Uh, but now he's certainly, I think more than anyone else, sort of the ideological leader of TP USA.
So that's where TPSA is now.
Just openly, like, well, we won't denounce the people who you know wanted to put their enemies into gas chambers and said I'd love Hitler.
You know, this is you know, this is children of 24 to 35 years old, just small little babes in the wood.
We just don't know any better, you know.
Yeah, that was JD Vance's defense, wasn't it?
It's basically just boys will be boys, and yeah, it's just jokes.
That 14-year-old who speaks Spanish instead of English who came across the border, you know, because their parents you know needed a new life, needed a new job.
Uh, you know, that person we go at with the we treat them as an adult, but um certainly no, no, these are these are just you know, these are just young Republicans, you know.
Hey, how Republican doesn't really get adulthood until they're in their 60s, and come on, really, yeah.
If then, to be honest, yeah.
Slate bloomers.
You know, this of course is the same JD Vance that was calling for people to be prosecuted for just making off-color jokes about Charlie Kirk.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And sometimes not even off-color jokes, it's just quoting the things that Charlie Kirk said with his mouth.
Well, exactly.
That's that's what it amounted to in pro in in in uh practice.
It might you know, it amounted to just mentioning it in anything other than you know, their terms was was a fireable offense.
Yes, absolutely.
Yes.
Yeah.
No, it is, it is, you know, and uh, I don't know.
The thing I saw uh I get frustrated with this stuff because it's like you mean there are young Republicans that are saying things that are really, really racist.
You know, there's gambling in this casino.
To me, I don't know, like I don't know.
To me, this is old head.
I was looking at like, yeah, you I mean, there are there are like people who are in higher positions within Republican politics right now, who have direct ties to the administration who kind of don't believe the Holocaust happened and think black people are stupid, and etc.
etc.
etc.
Yeah, what have we been trying to tell you for the last six years?
You know, like it really is like I don't know, just look at that and going like we have failed, my friend.
We've done the best we can, and we have just failed to get this into people's minds, even on blue sky.
It's uh not so much as like on Twitter and stuff, but even on Blue Sky, I saw people like, you know, oh my god, really?
Like we're gonna get them this time.
No, no, you're not.
No.
They just again like it it works both ways.
You know, Charlie Kirk's already been forgotten about by most people outside that bubble.
This will be forgotten.
It's already been forgotten about, it's already three news cycles ago.
Yeah, exactly.
Um, you know, and and and to me, it's just like it's like it's it's just it's a non-story at this point.
I mean, it's important to document it.
I mean, honestly, what I would prefer is if they could just come out and say the things that they believed publicly, and then we could talk about those things instead of like all the bullshit, like, oh, we're not racist, you know, we're not, you know, like God, it's just it's so infuriating.
Yeah, it's so infuriating to know what you and I know, and then to continually watch this shit be get debated back and forth as if like what Charlie Kirk was saying was not like deeply racist.
I mean, it's just like why do we have to keep debating this topic?
It's because the fucking centrists just will never ever accept that racism is real, that people can be real racist, even in 2025.
Oh my god, it's so frustrating.
There's a there's a good uh uh quite new uh thought slime video where they talk about this.
They talk about um why why do libs and and they actually have quite a thoughtful sort of digression in that about what what do we mean when we talk about libs and we're not just talking about liberals per se, you know, it's it's yeah, it's it's more it's more considered than it sounds, but it the subject of the video, why do liberals feel compelled to defend Charlie Kirk?
And it's a good you know, it's uh Thoughtslime themselves admits that it's not you know a stunningly original thesis that they're putting forward.
But it's it's absolutely correct.
You know, it's it's that the neo-liberal consensus, this sort of hollowed out idea of politics as lacking content, is so completely ingrained in certain types of people, and it you know, it affects all of us because we all live in this world.
It affects all of us, all of us from time to time.
But certain people, you know, Ezra Klein are so it's so ingrained in that they literally cannot sort of they cannot grok, they cannot comprehend extremism of any kind at all.
So that that they're you know, it's like um trying to think uh in in the uh in the Douglas Adams novel, uh uh Life of the Universe and everything.
There's there are these spaceships that come with what's called the somebody else's problem field.
And what it means is that the spaceship can just land in front of you, and your brain interprets it as somebody else's problem, and it just sort of edits it out.
You don't see the spaceship, you just sort of look round it.
And it's it's that that that kind of brain, that kind of orthodox centrist, neoliberal brain, just kind of can't see fascism head on.
It It just kind of insists upon trying to see round it, you know.
So it it can never really come to terms with the fact that it's actually there.
Well, it can't see that like this is not something you're going to be able to reason people out of.
That this is the fascist conclusion is not reached by logical means, and therefore you can't logic you can't logic somebody out of a problem they didn't logic them themselves into.
Um, some people do logic themselves into fascism and they tend to kind of come to their senses eventually.
I mean, I've taught I've spoken to people personally who are ex-fascists, you know, to thought they fell into it for rational reasons, and then once you know, suddenly like, whoops, I was mistaken.
It does happen, but like you're never gonna get the politically motivated actors, you're never gonna get Jack Pasobia to not be a be a bullshitter on this.
He's always gonna be a fascist.
You're never gonna be able to convince Charlie Kirk.
Um, not to say he should be murdered, but you know, you're just like the option you can't do you cannot debate this.
There's no debating this.
Um it's it's well certain people just get eternally trapped in that sort of yeah, that man trap of uh arrested development, you know, and and financial reward, you know, people like Pasobiac are just he's just for you know, it's his career, it's his career to remain uh uh a fascist.
So he's he's never gonna be able to uh I think was it Sinclair Lewis who said you know, you can't get people to understand things that their salary depends upon them not to be.
I believe that's Sinclair Lewis, yes, I believe, yeah.
Well, and then the Sobey is a sobic is uh is an ideological.
I mean, he it's it's not even about PJ for him.
It's it's it's a it's it's ideological for him, you know.
Absolutely, absolutely.
Yeah, I think some of the other ones know they're flamm flam artists, so they're just going where the paycheck is, but you know uh well, it's the same thing looked at from different angles, I would I always say, yeah.
Yeah, George Soros pay those people to not do this shit, you know.
That would be a good use of your money.
Can you imagine if the left hand the kind of financial resources that the right does?
You and I would eat like kings, my friend.
Well, we'd still be we'd still be at the same fundamental disadvantage, which is that we we have to actually have to take the time to know what we're talking about.
And they don't exactly no it's it's that sort of it's that built-in structural advantage that they have, which is that they can just sit there and make shit up and just talk, and that you know, they can spend five minutes just spewing crap that's popped into their heads, and there's no consequences, there's no comebacks.
It doesn't matter, they can just do that, and the next day they can sit down and spend another two, three, four hours doing that again.
And for every lie they tell, you know, that's an hour, that's two hours researching and explaining, and by the time you've debunked one of their lies, they've told 14 more.
You know, it's it it's however much money George Soros pays us, we still we still need to use him to do that job instead of their job, which is much easier.
Yes, exactly.
Um yeah, actually, I'm not looking for the George Soros check.
Okay, I'll tell you what.
If George Soros wants to give me a few, I'll take it, believe me.
Uh it doesn't come with strings, though, no strings attached.
Anyway, man, it's been it's been a rough month not being able to record it, my friend.
We've had a lot to talk about.
Um it's did you see that this this one apartment building where they raided and oh my god, it was it was just it was just an orgy of sort of public performative sadism.
You know, they have helicopters, yeah, that's right, and they're performing being uh Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible, you know, coming down on on uh on ladders and and crap like this, and they're dragging the people out, and they've got reportedly they're dragging children out of bed and pulling them into the streets naked or half naked and zip tying them together, just absolutely disjust despicable public sadism.
And it turns out not only that, not only is this sort of public state fascist racist um, you know, media spectacle sadism, the whole thing turned out to have been fundamentally motivated by the landlords being up to their necks in violations and unpained unpaid fines and fees.
They want the people out.
So they call in ice basically to be their uh their um what's the word?
Bailiffs for them.
Yeah.
To to to just eject these people.
Yeah, you see stuff like that, and you think what it's no one that knows.
What am I so like you know I mean it's what am I doing here?
This is what fascism is.
It's just, you know, it's just it's just the ruling class using the uh using the financial tools at their disposal to uh to crush the weak you know and scapegoat the weak.
It's just I mean it's it's you know it's yeah it's just remarkable.
It's so if this was in a novel you wouldn't believe it.
It was it's just two on the fucking nose.
It's just you know like oh what what's that you say the man you want me to victimize my here my fellow human beings only the ones that are poorer and more desperate and more vulnerable press than me.
Um, what you'll let me live out my call of duty fantasies.
Okay.
Okay, sir.
Okay.
Master.
I'll do that.
Oh God.
Yeah.
No, it's, it hurts.
It does.
It hurts to see this.
And some of those videos have just been, I mean, harrowing the one that sticks with me.
I mean, there are a lot of them.
I mean, look, there are a lot of the stick with me.
Look, um, might sound insensitive kind of, if, um, it does change your perspective a bit when you've been learning Spanish and suddenly you can actually.
You know, um, yeah, obviously you don't need to know a lot of Spanish to know what a Udame means, uh, means help me just, you know, um, and somebody yells a Udame, Udame, Udame, you know, a bunch, you know, you kind of get the gist, but like suddenly like understanding it, um, it does, uh, those videos get harder and harder to watch is all I'm going to say for me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think the one that, uh, I mean, the hopeful one is when, uh, streets of Chicago there, they have this guy, we have no idea what this guy supposedly did, but they got this guy they're, um, trying to put him in, in the, uh, in the bracelets, trying to pick him up.
It's these two fat ass, sorry, we're not supposed to body shame people, but you know, it's these two run, run of thugs, you know, and they're just in the middle of the street and just guys sitting there accosting them, just yelling at them, not touching them, just yelling at them.
Let him go, let him go, let him go.
You know, two languages, et cetera, you know, and just the guy's fighting back and he gets away and they just, they just, they let him go.
Oh, that's, you know, it gives you hope.
It gives you hope.
That is, that's one of the videos that has actually sort of left me feeling something other than despair.
Yeah.
Cause it's just, you have this crowd of people surrounding these two fucking masked brown shirt guys trying to arrest this poor guy.
Um, and the people around them are just interfering and they're, they're being, you know, they have to be so careful because they know they could be, uh, could be arrested themselves, you know, but they're just, they're just, most of these people, they're just staying on the, on the right side of what they think they can get away with doing.
And it's just this sort of continual barrage of little interference that they keep making on in the, in the, I mean, admittedly part of it is just the two ice thugs are completely incompetent, flailing idiots.
And also the guy himself is, is resist, you know, heroically resisting and protesting the entire time and they give up and they drive away and the guy gets away and it's great.
Which means how big of a priority was this guy in the first place?
You know?
well yeah exactly they just stopped on a whim they just racially profiled this guy walking past yeah yeah they found a guy speaking Spanish standing near a home depot and that was enough yeah let's victimize him for kicks and it's at a certain point because of his resistance and their own incompetence and the interference of the people around them it becomes more trouble than it's worth but that's a victory.
Yeah.
No, it is.
And this is how this thing gets won is by those small victories.
That's the reality of it.
I think the other one that really affected me in the more negative sense is there was a man of God, a priest, who was giving a benediction, just do not harm these people.
These are human beings who are children of God, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
This guy just pepper balls him in the face.
It's right there, right there on video, just points the gun at him and shoots him.
And they're up on a roof as well.
They're miles away.
They're up on a roof.
We'll find the clips.
you can watch these yeah yeah but you can hear them laughing about it once it once the guy's doubled over in pain.
Yeah.
And they're spraying pep the pepper spray all over the place as many people have pointed out you know pepper spray is fissure stuff and it lingers so these poor neighborhoods they're they're streets the streets where children have to walk to school in the morning a doused in this stinging and people don't always know what pepper spray is it's not it's not like black pepper it's uh it's kept and it's actually like the chemical that makes things spicy.
Um I mean it's it it I mean that's it'll burn you.
I mean it literally burns.
Yeah you know um yeah it's I mean um I think back to Katie Davis court talking about you know I got a black eye because an antifa you know face.
You got you got in the way of somebody who was waving a flag.
You got in the way of but I mean Linda Torado was a journalist on I think in Minneapolis in 2020 and an and a and a government thug like literally shot her in the face with a rubber bullet.
She lost an eye.
She lost an eye that's right.
I mean she's having she has health that's uh health responses for that she may die of that injury and that's an agent of the state.
So yeah you know if some punk kid breaks the Starbucks glass or like hits Katie Daviscourt in the face lightly with a I I'm not concerned with that.
You know this is we're talking about state violence.
We're talking about like formalized organized state violence against innocent people.
And even if they're not innocent you still gotta prove that they aren't like it's just it's just it's it's it's it's it's it's it's just brown shirts in the streets time.
That's that's what this is you know.
It is exactly yeah it is exactly that.
But it is you know for for all that it's distressing and and disturbing and depressing to see this happening uh I am encouraged to see the resistance of ordinary people you know making pains in the ass of themselves in corridors just shouting at these guys refusing to let up people just refusing to let them arrest this guy that they pick off the street because he looks he looked wrong to them.
Yeah.
And it's happening a lot.
Loads of people are doing this.
Yeah.
And it's happening all the time.
Ordinary, ordinary people.
I saw there was a thread on Blue Sky I was looking at earlier.
And it's like, you know, I go to some of these events and like these 50-something wine moms are fed posting harder than I've ever heard anybody fed post.
You know?
It's like, you know.
Now, actions speak louder than words on one thing, but like at the same time, you know, when people are getting that fed up, then that says something.
Right?
You know?
Yeah.
And I guess it is fucking briefly about the No Kings Day, which happened yesterday as we're recording.
And there was a, so I'm not doxing myself, but there was a No Kings Day in my, in my, that I live.
That's not doxing.
There were No Kings Days almost everywhere around the country.
Sometimes there's just a few people.
This one was pretty big from what I understand.
I was not able to attend.
I probably wouldn't have attended anyway, but I had to work that day.
So I wasn't able to during that, time period that it was active.
So I was not able to, but I was nearby and um I saw I saw the traffic believe me this was a big event.
Um I very heartened that people care enough to go out and protest do the symbolic protest but we do have to keep in mind that is just a symbolic protest.
Um yeah and I saw some commentary about the like the the frog suits you know like people kind of using I think the meme like the online meme is cool but it has to come from a place of action it has to come from a place of like the the guys who are wearing the frog suits who are out there who are getting hit in the face with pepper balls they're doing this to indicate just how silly all this is and they're actually putting their like a little of their lives on the line to to do this.
Yeah if we're dancing around in a frog suit in downtown Main Street USA I mean I'm ha if if it makes you feel better I'm good but you know it's it's not it's not the same thing.
No.
No, at its best, it's on the front lines and it's puncturing the, as I say, the sort of Call of Duty fantasies of these brown shirts.
Yeah.
These brown shirt coward masked thugs that are out there playing with themselves, essentially playing soldiers.
It's hard for them to feel like they're in Commando or Predator or whatever if they're faced with a guy who's dancing around in an inflatable day glow green Tyrannosaurus Rex costume.
I appreciate that.
But it does, it has to be on, it has to be as well as loads of other stuff.
I think that's what the thread you're talking about was talking about how, yeah, that that's, we also need like networks of mutual aid and yeah yeah yeah no it's actually absolutely well and the and the the frog suits actually had utility it turned out because they actually protected you against the pepper spray says that there yeah there was a guy I mean there was a video of like a you know several of these ice agents just pummering the pummeling this guy with pepper balls and he's just standing there because he's in this inflatable suit it doesn't affect him.
Bring it on motherfucker bring it on you know Like the the the mighty force of the of the of immigration of La Migra is uh defeated by by a simple frog costume.
I love it.
I love I love the uh the symbol of the impotence is so um it's so on point there.
Um there is a risk with that sort of thing that it can be it can it can signal sort of being too concerned with optics and yeah kind of respect respectability politics of protest.
Um I think uh governor Pritzker in Illinois has you know he's made some good public statements.
He's also sent the state patrol in to sort of uh uh break up protesters on the streets because pretty obviously he's he's too concerned about what it looks like on he wants to be able to show pictures of empty streets in Chicago and say, look, nothing's happening.
And that is obviously more important to him than uh people protesting what ice are doing, and that's a that is a huge mistake.
That is a huge mistake.
Well, not if you're not if you're Pritzker, if you're you know if you're thinking about you know the the democratic nomination in a few years' time, but I'm not.
So I don't think I I don't think I'm in with a chance, Daniel.
I I try to be realistic about my myself and I don't see it happening.
I'm like Jim Bush.
Given given the rules, you know, I mean you're given the way the rules are being bent already, you know.
I mean, you're not you're not born in the United States, so far as I know, so you are ineligible, but um, you know.
I was born in Kenya and I am a Muslim.
Um yeah, I mean that mom don't debate was glorious to see, wasn't it?
Anyway, that we're oh he just yeah, he just he just he just sliced off Cuomo's butt cheeks and just put them in, he'd wrapped them up in a nice package and just handed them straight to him, didn't he?
I mean he just steamrolled right over everybody in the room and he had idiot with a smile on his face.
It's like my god, it almost gives you hope.
It almost gives you hope.
But there is another thing that actually you said you wanted to open with this, and I just go, which was Trump's Trump's reaction.
Trump's response to No King's Day.
Yes, we should definitely talk about that.
Yeah, he's not upset at all.
He he's he's not he's not angry.
In fact, he thinks it's funny.
It's hilarious.
He's laughing about it.
Um you imagine if Joe of imagine if Barack Obama, like uh any god, imagine if Barack Obama had been, you know, protested on it like and he posted I mean AI video didn't exist at that time, but you know, did something in similar, right?
Yeah, released video of him strafing around in a crown and the crown and pouring shit all over a crowd of Trump supporters or Republicans or you know, uh Tea Party at that time.
Can you imagine?
Fucking imagine.
Like Barack Obama said cling to your guns in a speech in like 2007, I think, and they're still holding on to their angries about that.
Basket of deplorables.
They're still still finding about that.
Barack Obama had the you know, and I'm not not defending Barack Obama, but he had the temerity to shed a single tear about was it was it Trayvon Martin?
Yeah, I think it was Treyvon Martin.
No, it was a it was a school shooting, wasn't it?
It was yeah, yeah.
It was Sandy Hook.
He shed it.
And the Trayvon Martin thing was when he says, Oh, you know, if I if I had a son, he would look like Trayvon.
You know, you the the country was just splattered with gray matter and blood because of thousands of Republicans who just exploded.
Exactly.
I mean, just the idea.
I mean, I think that Travon Martin quote where he's like, you know, uh, well, I think you know, if if I'd had a son, I would it would look like Trayvon Martin, which it's true, but the fact that he reminded you he's black, you know, was suddenly off the deep end, off the fucking deep end.
It's bad enough that he be black while also being the president, but he also has the temerity to talk about it, you know.
He should just okay.
I suppose I suppose if we have to do this, but can we at least agree to just pretend it's not happening?
Yeah, no.
Oh my god.
All right.
I just I I saw that video.
I it's one of those things I woke up this morning and I like open up blue sky because that's what you do now.
You just open up your social media of choice and just see what's going on wrong in the world.
That's just your your daily expression.
And as you're doing it, you think I shouldn't be doing this.
Why are you doing this?
Stop.
But you do it anyway.
I was I literally I knew we were gonna record today, and I woke up this morning and I'm like, I can do my Spanish now or I can up up blue sky.
And I knew which one was better for me, but I also knew which one I was going to do.
So, you know.
And I just it was a little like people are going, like, okay, what is this with Trump and diarrhea?
Like, you know.
So before I saw the video, I knew, oh God, don't let's and you see it, and it's just I mean, he's literally like no King's Day.
Well, I'm a king and I'm gonna shit all over you.
Like that's I mean, that's I mean, that's it's it's there's no subtext there.
It's just he believes he's a king and in his little world, they all want him to be the king.
And that's absolutely, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, Jack.
We we hear we hear a lot about how Americans live in sort of different universes or different realities.
I I mean, I think, yeah, to an extent, but there's also an extent to which you all live in the same reality.
It's just that you see it in different ways.
Millions of Americans looked at that video, which is an open admission that Trump is he's shitting himself in fury about the about the about the protests.
Yeah, a b he's just admitting that he wants that he thinks he's a king, that he uh feels entitled to attack American citizens if they disagree with him in the most you know degrading way possible.
And you know, it's it's all presented to you as as good.
And and millions of Americans see that and it's yeah, yeah, I'm on board.
Yes, sign me up.
It's because that's what they want.
They want a king.
That's what that's what this has always been about.
They want a big strong authoritarian daddy who will crush the people that they hate.
And they they know what's real, they just feel differently about it to you.
And uh, those are the people who you know, they cannot be they cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be negotiated with, they cannot be appeased, they need to be defeated.
Yeah, it's there it is.
Yep.
And one of the ways you do that by giving us money, no, no, not at all.
Yeah.
Yes, but yes, please, but you know, no, that's not.
Um, one of the ways you do it is to support mutual aid.
You know what's going on in your town, you know what's going on in your city.
Um, you know the kinds of people who need help, and you know the kinds of people who might be doing things that can help that.
And that does not mean going to down to uh registered voters for the Democratic Party.
Um, that is that may be something to do when you've done all the other stuff, but there's a lot more stuff to do.
Um, and you know what's going on in your town.
Uh homeless shelters, it's groups, you know, etc.
Um, any and all that stuff.
They always need volunteers, they always need helpers.
Um, you know, dot bombs, anything like that, you know.
Um become your local anti-fascist.
And that does not mean we're dressing up in block necessarily and sm and breaking windows, but um anti-fascism is a philosophy and it's uh and it's a practice, and um that's all I gotta say.
Yeah, and you know, I joked about it, and I I could be better on this, but don't do scroll, don't cling to 24 hour news, don't stay constantly on social media, you know, foc don't do that to yourself.
Focus on on something constructive, you know.
And I I speak as somebody who's coming out of weeks of depression.
Uh that's how you do it.
You focus on something that you can achieve, and you and you do it.
Taking care of your health is also an important part of this.
Um one thing that you learn when that I've done this for a while, you know, it is a marathon, not a sprint.
You're not here to this is not gonna get solved tomorrow, it's not gonna get solved in two weeks from now.
This is you know I saw one battle after another.
I've seen it twice now, and uh, you know, it really is.
It's one battle after another.
You're you're training your kids to do this down the line.
That's that's it's the fight goes on, you know.
Um that you can afford to have any kids.
Well, I don't have any kids, so I that's I'm trying to teach the youngins around me, you know.
Come on.
Anyway, yeah, they can do the actual fighting, you know.
We gotta get out of here.
Um, but yeah, no.
Um that's all yeah.
Okay.
Well, we're back, babies, and uh we will be seeing you quite soon in the meantime.
Um yeah, think about dropping Daniel some bucks on Patreon, that would be very much appreciated.
If you're gonna give one of us some money, uh the moment, give them give it to Daniel, because he he needs it a little bit more than I do just at the moment.
Um that that changes from year to year and month to month, but I think I would agree right now.
In the past it is not that has not been the case, but I think now that is definitely the case.
If you can't, or you you don't feel like doing that, then spread the word, you know, tell us about it and tell people about us and uh just just uh just a little like on the old uh blue sky post tweet that uh bumps up the mood.
Just been telling you to stay off social media, and I should I should follow my own advice.
Clip your favorite bits and share them around too.
That would be fun, you know.
Make it go viral.
That'd be fun.
Just print out uh transcripts and re-enact them with your friends and re-record them and then release them as your own podcast and take the credit.
