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It's definitely not working.
So I'm going to try a couple of different things, we'll see what happens, but something's going to have to change around here.
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Okay, wow, yes, back for another episode, 125, episode 125 of I Don't Speak German.
And guess what we're talking about, people?
You already know because you already saw the title, because that's how reality works.
We're talking about Christopher Cantwell.
It's an entire episode of Cantwell News, listeners.
Isn't that Great.
And yeah, I'm here with Daniel Harper.
Daniel Harper, say things to us, please.
I am here.
I am very much here and ready to talk about The Crying Nazi, our favorite, favorite topic and really favorite human being, I would say.
It's just true, right?
Oh, yeah.
I can't believe anyone would tune into this episode first Not knowing who Chris Cantwell is.
Like, you know, it is.
But I'm sure there's one.
Like, if you showed up here and were like, who is this Cantwell figure?
Why are you talking about the TV writer?
We're not talking about the TV writer.
We're talking about the very famous Nazi who, um, yeah, anyway, he's been all over this podcast.
Believe me, I don't think we need to summarize who Chris Cantwell is again.
Yeah, if anybody's tuning in and you don't know who Chris Cantwell is, yeah.
I was going to say, you know, do some research, look into it, listen to our back catalogue, but I feel like you'll pick it up from this episode, really.
I feel like you'll get everything that you need to know from this episode.
Yeah, so Chris Cantwell is...
is on Grindr according to the title.
Daniel gave me a... I said before we started recording, Daniel, you know, fill me in roughly, what is this one about?
And you know, he's sort of listing, Chris Cantwell this, and Chris Cantwell's doing that, and I'm just sat here like, what?
What?
And yeah, so that's the show we've got.
Before we get into it, I think just a couple of little notes.
We won't take long over this.
Firstly, it's possible, listeners, that if you follow us on social media or our Patreons or whatever, you might have heard from either or one or both of us that we're going to be doing an episode on Benjamin Boyce.
That's off, because frankly, he's just too boring.
He's just too completely uninteresting.
So we're not going to be doing that.
I was trying to tell a friend, like a friend of the show, I was trying to tell someone about Boyce.
I'm like, oh, that's going to be the next episode.
And she was like, oh, well, who is that?
And she's like, okay, she's interested.
Like, she's a fan of the show.
Like, we met through the podcast, right?
You know?
I was like, oh, well, Benjamin Boyce, he's like such and such.
And like, you know, I was kind of tired.
I wasn't like in the brain space to really like explain it.
But then, like, as I started even telling her like the two minute version, I realized I have zero interest in actually talking about this person for an hour unless he goes and does something much, much more dramatic or he is a much bigger personality.
Because I started telling I started telling this person about you know, the reach.
And it's like, well, he doesn't even have that much reach anymore.
You know, like, I mean, there's just, this is pointless.
Like I was going into that one on a pure spike because I'm just tired of him.
You know, like he's just, he's just very annoying.
He's a very annoying little mosquito to me personally.
Just that he exists and just that he's on YouTube and doing the terrible things he's doing.
Yeah.
But I mean, there was a way into it.
I had like an outline and it was just like, oh, and now I got to go pull clips and I got to do this and I have to like, and it's just.
Every time I sat down to do it, I was just like, "Or I could watch paint dry." So it's one of those things where like writers have that thing is like you start you go through and you find more and more things to do to like facilitate your writing process until you never write.
And yeah, I think one of them is like, you know, well, you can't.
You know, you can't write until you have a clean chair, and you can't have a clean chair until you, like, you know, vacuum the cat hair off the chair, right?
And then, like, oh, but the cat's just gonna shit, and so, like, the shitting is just gonna add... So then you have to go and, like, groom the cat.
Then how do you vacuum the cat?
So vacuuming the cat is always the metaphor that I use for No, I'm hearing you.
excuse not to actually do the real work that you're supposed to be doing particularly in creative endeavors i don't know if you've ever heard that metaphor before but um sure no i'm i'm i'm i'm hearing you as a writer uh myself in a in a non-professional way i can't pretend to have made it my career but as a writer in a non-professional way yeah when when you when you're something supposed to be writing and you just don't want to do it it suddenly becomes incredibly important that you sort your coat hangers or something like that you know which um
Which is a good metaphor, because listening to Benjamin Boyce, or even listening to somebody talk about Benjamin Boyce, Well, sorting your coat hangers would be preferable.
Being whipped with coat hangers would be preferable.
He's so irritating, and yet the boredom factor even outweighed that.
So, we're not going to be talking about Benjamin Boyce.
Maybe in the future.
I'm not putting it past us.
Maybe I'll find the energy to do it.
Being desperate.
I could make a decent episode out of it, don't worry.
If it ever comes up in your feed, it's because I found something really good.
But until then, we're just going to move past it because it's just not worth it.
Yes.
The other thing was I just wanted to sort of Check in on the previous thing that we released on the feed, which is the public bonus about the conversation between you and Ina about Gaza.
Nothing really to say about that, except that I'm glad we put that out.
And although I couldn't be there because, you know, real-world private stuff, I was fully there in spirit.
You know, I co-signed the essential points of what was said in that episode.
So please don't anybody interpret my absence from that as meaning anything other than the fact that I just couldn't make it that day.
Okay?
Yeah, and just to highlight that, is that I think people, I think I got some pushback in the sense that people thought like, oh, I was there under duress, or that it was like I was being taken to task or whatever, and it's like, no, no, you know, Ayaan and I had had, the three of us actually, had had this conversation privately, and just, Thought like, well, if people are coming out and asking about it, we should just put out a brief episode kind of discussing the issue.
And so like I was, you know, the three of us are all friends.
This is not this is not in any way, you know, this should not be taken as a negative in any sense towards anybody.
And, you know, I feel.
I'm very happy to have to have had that conversation and to have made my feelings clear on the on the, you know, obviously the atrocities that are happening in Gaza right now.
So absolutely.
So moving on from that to the main subject of the episode, which is, as you will have heard, as you will have seen in the title and heard in the cold open, it's about it's about Chris Cantwell.
So, yeah, Daniel, Chris Cantwell, he's he's wrapping up the radical agenda.
And he's been experimenting with new forms of content, you tell me, which includes, somehow, includes Grindr, and no doubt all manner of other wondrous things with which we will regale your eardrums, listeners.
So, Daniel, tell us, please, about Christopher Candwell.
Sure.
What's he up to?
That little scamp.
That little scamp.
That little tyke.
Yeah, well, again, I keep every time I start... By which, by scamp and tyke, I, of course, mean absolutely egregious, contemptible Nazi swine.
Yes, absolutely.
Um, again, every time we sit down and talk about, every time, like, I always think, like, this could be somebody's first episode, and you want to, like, start from the beginning, but there's so much of a history with Cantwell.
He's, he's like the, he's the eternal fuckup of fuckups in the Nazi community.
Like, he is, he is the one guy who just cannot get his shit together.
To save his life.
And yet there is so much shit for him to get together.
Right.
He's just completely obnoxious.
Anyway, he got out of prison because he committed some felonies.
He got out of prison at the end of 2022.
Which we have discussed in detail on previous episodes.
So he gets out of prison, he immediately starts up this project, the SurrealPolitik's kind of network.
Can I just break in?
You know, lest anybody should accuse us of not being fair, right?
SurrealPolitik, that's quite a good podcast title.
I will give him that much.
I like that title.
That's as much as I'll give him, but I will give him that.
It's a real politique in a surreal world.
That is his tagline, which he has to explain regularly because literally nobody gets it.
I get it.
I get it, and it's good.
It's probably the only good thing he's ever done, but it is good.
It is pretty good, yeah.
Yeah, no, I agree.
But it is the sort of thing...
So he starts up this network, which he's tried to get like multiple people to kind of join that network and be like the basically do affiliate links and affiliate programs, you know, some deal to date.
The only other podcast which has joined in on him is the Full House Podcast, and they have produced all of two bits of bonus material that are available behind that paywall system.
So, he's doing great!
H-A-U-S, as we know.
Yes, and this is a podcast we have talked about to a little bit.
We've we've mentioned on the show before.
I think there will be a full full house episode.
That one would actually be interesting.
I think so.
So I think and I've been I've been wanting to do it for a while and I keep holding off on it because there's other stuff but full house would be.
Fairly easy to do and they've got enough content that it's you could you could easily find some little interesting bibs and bobs to To go through and there's a kind of a long history there So we will do full house, but they have put they're the only people who are currently working with directly with Chris Cantwell in his affiliate program and so and he doesn't have he hasn't had a real job like an actual nine-to-five or like
paid employment job other than being a professional podcaster since 2015, I think.
In the beginning, Radical Agenda, even before it was Radical Agenda, it used to be called some garbage But in the beginning, Radical Agenda was a YouTube show that was a call-in show.
So the format, I don't think we've ever really gone through the format here, despite the fact that I've listened to literally hundreds of episodes, is that he will open with a monologue.
A pre-written monologue is usually about 15 minutes, maybe a little bit longer.
And then move into, like, reading news, and in between he takes calls.
He takes calls from an 800 number or from Skype.
He used to do it on Skype, or he used to do it on Discord.
But anyway, he's, you know, taking calls.
But in order to do that, you have to have a kind of a large passive audience of which some percentage of those people will call in.
In 2017, when he was blocked out of, you know, when he was de-platformed from YouTube and every other major media platform,
And a financial service because of the shit he pulled in 2017 He is he since then that show has been going down the drains certainly financially He simply cannot get new callers in and so he ends up either talking to the same handful of people over and over again or he just ends up reading news for two hours and that is Very, very dull.
It's very boring.
It's interminable.
So let's listen to Chris kind of tell this.
I've given you the summary, but let's listen to Chris's version.
I'll just say it, you know, we're nearing the conclusion of Radical Agenda Stage 6, ladies and gentlemen.
There are no plans for Stage 7.
This is not to say that you will not, that you will have heard the last from me anytime soon.
Surreal Politics will continue.
I will produce uncensored content in some other fashion separately from that branding.
Some of that will be members-only content available to those with Surreal Politics memberships.
In truth, the radical agenda ended a long time ago.
The show has not been the same since the events of 2017, and I have long struggled with the apprehension that I might be ruining this body of work by straying too far from the original body of work that I was so proud of.
Being deprived of business services and promotional means, the trajectory of listenership and financial support has steadily declined.
More importantly, this has had the effect of turning the phone lines into a ghost town, which is why I'm not even bothering to pay for them tonight.
Having been typecasted as edgy politics, we've been relegated to an echo chamber wherein ideas stagnate and grow stale.
In my view, it is boring, and it seems a lot of people agree.
I'm sure a lot of people agree.
A lot of people agree.
Not just the Nazis.
I was trying to think what he reminded me of, and he reminded me powerfully of Bill O'Reilly.
Any minute now he's going to introduce Dennis Miller.
Hey Miller, what do you make of these college kids saying that sexual harassment is something wrong with it?
What do you reckon about that, Miller?
I mean, you're not at all wrong.
I mean, Cantwell models himself after, you know, that kind of particular right-wing, you know, radio news personality.
He considers himself like in the caliber of a Rush Limbaugh or a, you know, Bill O'Reilly or, you know, he thinks if he hadn't gone down the rabbit hole or if he had, you know, been able to in one way or another maintain his like access to YouTube, for instance, he thinks he would been able to in one way or another maintain his like access to YouTube, for instance, he thinks he Like he would be just drowning in money and respect and acclaim because he's just that fucking talented.
I can assure you that is not true because I have listened to a great deal of his content.
And today you're going to get to listen to like what he thinks an entertaining radio program is now that he doesn't have access to callers that he can abuse and spew fascist libertarian talking points to.
The first thing he tried to do, before Grindr, before Grindr, this was kind of end of last year.
Cantwell, BG, before Grindr.
Before Grindr, yep, BG, yep, yep.
The first thing he tried to do, really starting in like December of last year and kind of going up until, for a few months he did this a bit.
In between his regular production.
So he does a Surreal Politiques on Monday, he does a Radical Agenda on Friday, and then a members-only show on Wednesday.
And you have to be behind the paywall to get that or have somebody send it to you.
Gee, imagine how I get it!
But in his kind of off hours, he starts kind of experimenting with, well, how can I get to talk to new people?
How can I get... And he discovers, oh, People play video games on the internet.
People play video games on Twitch and Kik and Sarah.
He discovers it in like 2023.
He's like, oh, well, maybe we try this.
And here's here's here's just a bit.
Here's just a bit of here's just a bit of that.
All right.
And I, you know, I had a pretty good time doing it, me and my friends.
But my girlfriend hated watching us.
He's talking about playing video games a bunch when he was a teenager, by the way.
They used to play, like, Mortal Kombat and shit.
Let's do this.
Like, she's like, what are you doing?
Like, can you, like, come fuck me or take me somewhere?
And I'm like, no, I got to smoke marijuana and play video games with my friends.
Like, if I get an erection during the course of that, yeah, I'll screw you.
But Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong with you, you know?
Why did she need to be taken, Chris?
The elementary school?
And eventually she was like, I'm hot.
He's a libertarian after all.
I can do other things, and so she left me or whatever.
So that was basically my experience of people watching other people play video games.
I'm like, why the fuck would anybody do that?
But apparently people do, because when I got out of prison, we'll get to that later, but I got out of prison.
I went to prison for a while.
When I got out of prison, I was banned from YouTube and all this stuff because I'm funny and I'm smart and the government doesn't like me and those companies are run by criminals, so they do these things, they hide evidence is what they do.
And so I had to find, like, other ways to stream my shows, and I found, like, I was looking at other video streaming platforms, one of them being Kik.com.
It's nice to meet you guys, by the way.
And so, uh, so we started streaming to kick.com just the other day, and it's just one of those platforms that are, like, geared toward gaming.
Like, people are watching other people play video games.
I'm like, what are you, fucking crazy?
Like, why would anybody watch other people play video games?
So I had this PlayStation 4 that, like, I bought a long time ago, basically.
So, like, I bought it for my girlfriend or whatever.
And I didn't really play it at all.
But I was like, you know, maybe, uh, you know, if I could make money at this, then I'll do it.
You know, do anything for money.
Not really.
I'm kidding.
But, uh, it's not really for the money.
It's for the attention.
I'm that, I'm that star for friends.
And so, uh, I'm kidding about that part.
I think this is unironically about the most honest he's ever been on a microphone since the days in which he was strung out on methamphetamine, honestly.
That's just amazing.
So that was him streaming 2Kick.
He was actively playing Grand Theft Auto V at that point.
Um, and that's, that's sort of the, that's sort of his, like, intro.
That's sort of, like, the way he's, like, kind of intro-ing himself to the kick, to the streaming audience, is like, oh, I'm just this guy, I went to prison for a while, I've been into radio, and I decided I want to play video games, because this is where the kids are.
And then he's, A, pretty incompetent at GTA V, and even more incompetent at GTA V, while trying to have conversations with the people who showed up in his Discord chat to talk to him.
And so a lot of him playing was fumbling with the controls, failing to complete any kind of mission with any kind of fidelity, while getting distracted talking to people about abstract political or semi-abstract political theories and why the Jews are bad.
Pretty unwatchable, pretty unlistable.
I am not someone who generally like sits and watches people play video games.
I don't like follow like Twitch streams.
I mean, there are some games.
I mean, sometimes I like, you know, watching some of that kind of stuff for a little bit.
But, like, I'm not sitting and watching people.
Like, I'm not a Destiny fan or any streamer like that.
It's just not my style of content.
But his was particularly unwatchable even by those standards.
And he tried that for a little bit, you know, here and there over the course of, you know, a few months.
He did, you know, maybe one or two a week.
And I think just kind of realized it's not his medium.
He tried playing some of the fighting games, but then the fighting games don't really have the interactive component that allows him to, you know, kind of talk about other things in the same way.
Also, you know, he's 42 or 43 years old, he doesn't have the reflexes of a teenager, and the people who are watching these things, they want to see, like, really good gameplay.
Like, that's part of the joy of it, is watching someone, like, play the game very well while having a conversation.
And Cantwell's just not that person.
He was never going to be that person.
It just boils down again to the fact that he's Chris Cantwell.
Right.
He's just Chris Cantwell.
He just is.
He's irreducibly Chris Cantwell.
What it does is it introduces the theme that we're going to come back to again and again, is that he has to Hide in plain sight.
He can't say, hey, I'm the crying Nazi.
I was in Charlottesville.
I did all these things.
I did crime because I committed... I threatened some other Nazis.
He can't say that.
He can't come out and be that personality.
He has to just be like, well, I'm a famous... I'm a radio guy.
I'm an independent radio host.
I'm a famous guy.
I'm really talented.
Come and talk to me about things.
And he's trying to push these racial politics and these far-right politics, You know, Nazi politics into these spaces, not even knowing the format.
Like there are tons of people who are like Nazi adjacent who are huge on these platforms.
They just don't go come right out and say it's all because of the Jews.
You know, there's tons and tons of that stuff.
It's rife within these spaces.
And he was this was just never, ever going to work out for him.
He discovered it was a thing and decided he was going to throw himself into it.
And utterly failed.
And I think that's lovely.
I think that's lovely.
That is very nice, yeah.
It must be, thinking about it, it must actually be really frustrating for him because when you're trying to promote yourself and grow your online presence and your name recognition and your brand and your content and all that stuff, Getting, getting recognition.
That's, that's a very important part of it.
And he has, he has a, he has a phrase.
He has a name that would get him instant recognition.
But he can't use it!
All he has to do is say, wah, I'm the Crying Nazi, wah!
But that fucks him up, doesn't it?
Well, he would say, his argument here is that it fucks him up because anything that's associated with that, the second the platforms realize he's the one using it, they're going to kick him off, not because of anything he's done on the platform, but because, oh, you're the Crying Nazi, therefore you can't be here, right?
So he's he's absolutely terrified of running into that situation and yet he wants to produce this sort of.
you know, this kind of, his kind of content, he wants to do that.
He wants to make money doing that.
And so he has to find his way to like, to insert himself, you know, to infiltrate these platforms under sort of a different guise, you know, and that's the whole thing.
That's the whole surreal politics model.
Back in the day, that was Outlaw Conservative when he was trying that project out.
That was the whole model was, we're going to do a different radio program that can get mainstream eyes on it, at least hypothetically.
But then like, he can't make that work because he's a not very good at it and be he's in a he's in a very large space of people who are doing exactly that.
And his content doesn't stand out unless you know, it's the crying Nazi.
But the second, you know, it's a crying Nazi, the people who know that want him to push the, the actual like hardcore racialist stuff instead of the, you know, Fox News politics type.
Oh, Oh yeah, sure.
But also, the minute you know he's the crying Nazi, you know he's the crying Nazi.
And who wants to be the crying... It's like the old joke, isn't it?
You know, I spend my entire life building fences.
I fuck one sheep.
Do they call me Chris the Fence Builder?
No, they do not.
They call you Chris the Sheep Fucker.
I agree.
And this is a man... I mean, to my knowledge, he's never fucked a sheep, but he has metaphorically fucked quite a few sheep.
I mean, we...
People think I talk a lot about Chris Cantwell.
I could do an episode every week about Chris Cantwell.
Like, there is that much history.
This could be a knowledge fight, but for Chris Cantwell.
We could go into the archives and talk Chris Cantwell.
That could be a future if I would not, like, you know... It's the Red Hot Benjamin Boyce material fails us.
Yeah, right.
So yeah, that failed.
What a surprise.
Do you, are you familiar with a, I don't know, I probably mentioned his name.
I mean, I know we've kind of talked about him a little bit behind the scenes, but I don't know if you know this person.
Handsome Truth, a cage.
John Mendeneo.
It rings a bell.
I know I've heard.
Yeah, I'm sure I've mentioned him a time or two on the show.
We've never done a full episode on him.
I mean, he would be one that would be worth doing a full episode on for sure.
But he is sort of the head guy behind Gwyngym TV.
Um, he was kind of deeply invested in the, um, in the, I don't want to say the Terrorgram stuff because I don't think he ever got into, got quite that hardcore, but he was definitely kind of hanging out with a lot of those guys back in that day.
Um, and did a lot of live streams in that, in that kind of vein.
Um, and his big thing, one of the things that he got big doing was going on to, uh, the kind of,
God what is it like chat roulette type video program this is so so basically it's it's Omegle was the old one and the idea with Omegle was you know you sit down you've got a webcam on you've got a microphone and you in the system just pairs you up with someone random speaking your language and you're just like talking to whoever and then you can just change as many times as you want and it's just it's meant to be I mean it's it's I don't know.
It's a very... I have never spent any time on it.
It seems completely obnoxious to me, but people seem to enjoy it.
I was going to say, it sounds like hell on earth.
It's a lot of stoned teenagers and such sitting around and throwing slurs at each other.
And I assume that there's some healthy stuff that goes on occasionally.
The internet.
People do it.
It's the internet.
It's people shitposting on the internet.
It's people doing nonsense.
Well, handsome truth.
One of the ways he got famous was that he started doing basically pushing Nazi propaganda to these teenagers, to these bored drunk teenagers using Omegle and coming in and doing like the 14 words and doing all the talking points and everything.
For that audience and then broadcast get live to his to his twitch stream and then like saving them and putting them on his website going MTV This his style of content was considered absolutely hilarious by Cantwell once he kind of found out about it and once he got out of prison and So he decides to do some of this for himself, you know, if he can't if he can't, you know Get people to call into his radio program.
He's gonna go out there and and Harass people, harass people where they live.
And so Omega no longer exists because it was committing some crimes, but there's a competing service, OMI TV, and Chris put out a couple of episodes where he went on to OMI TV and talked to people.
And again, it's the first episode.
He fucked up the audio.
The audio is literally unlistenable.
There's so much echo in it.
You can't tell what anybody is saying except for Chris.
And I was going to like – What's up, man?
What are you doing?
What's up, bro?
but I couldn't even find 30 seconds that was like comprehensible enough to even make sense of it.
Honestly, like you really, like you'd have to listen to a few minutes of it to even understand what's going on.
And so we're not going to do that, but I will play a couple of calls just to give you a sense of what Chris is doing.
Again, this is what Chris is doing, what he considers to be like top tier content.
Hey bro.
What's up, man.
What are you doing?
What's up, bro?
Hey, I just seen a 15 year old on here with a kid, bro.
You're seeing a 15-year-old on here with a kid.
Yup.
That's unsurprising, he's probably black, right?
Nah, it was a white girl.
God fucking dammit, they're ruining us, you know that.
Hello.
Yeah, we can get banned, we can get banned.
What's up, Christopher?
What's going on, man?
Why, are you looking for the big booty girls too?
I'm just looking for conversation, man.
I don't care if it's, uh, I don't care if it's girls or guys, and I'm not trying to fucking get laid on here.
I have better ways of doing that, frankly, you know?
Wait, how you been cra- Wait, what did he say?
He's been laying, like, on the TV again.
Oh, fuck him.
Um, alright, uh, I didn't need to know that, but, alright, uh, you have a very shiny head.
Yeah, that's what happens.
You take a razor to it, it works miracles.
Alright, uh, uh, uh, you have- He looks nice!
You have a very shiny head.
Yeah, man.
That'll happen.
When you get older, you see how that works out for you, you keep on making fun of fucking bald people, you grow up and see how that fucking works out for you, buddy.
Unless you have like low testosterone, which I think is probably the case, in which case you'll be fine.
You'll keep your hair until forever like a fucking woman.
I have listened to multiple hours of Cantwell doing this, by the way.
He went on a long tangent in which he starts because everyone he was talking to was smoking weed, and he believes that weed is the absolute worst drug, because with like heroin, or like a hallucinogen, you take the drug, it gets in your system, you get fucked up, it gets out of your system, and then you go about your day, and you can't be on heroin 24-7.
Whereas with weed, he thinks, like, that just makes you a pothead and you are just unable to, like, function rationally because you are just fucked up on this drug 24-7.
Now, I know people who do, you know, use marijuana responsibly, you know, in the evenings to maintain perfectly fine careers.
I know people who have chronic pain who use it all day, who use it for the body hive, for pain relief.
Using marijuana does not mean you cannot be a functioning member of society.
It does not mean you can't make proper decisions for yourself and the people around you.
But so he goes on this rant over and over and over again to just whoever comes up in his chat roulette feature.
I mean, again, I can't even describe to you how mind-numbing this is.
Most people don't give him any more than 10 or 15 seconds, honestly.
Those two calls I played for you are typical, very typical.
Yeah, I was going to say, my mind is numb just from what you played me.
It does help to play it at high speed.
It does.
It does move a little bit faster that way.
Or while you're doing other things when you're not trying to focus on it 100%.
But, I mean, this is bottom of the content barrel.
I mean, this is just shit, right?
Yeah.
And I think he's aware of that.
He knows that.
He knows he's not as, quote unquote, good as John Mendeo at producing, quote unquote, entertaining content this way.
And so, he moved to another medium.
How familiar are you with the app Grindr?
Well, I know what it is, but it's not aimed at me, let's put it that way.
Sure, fair enough.
Also, you know, I've never had the need Whatever I'm feeling, I've never had the need to pull up a kind of random hookup app.
Regardless, I managed to get those needs met in other ways.
I wouldn't blame anybody for using the app.
There are better ways of getting laid!
Well, I'm not even gonna say there are better ways.
I'm saying like if it works for you, if that's what you're looking for, then that's great.
I would never judge someone for using an app that way.
I know people personally who've used it.
It's perfectly fine, but it is marketed towards gay men who want a quick hookup, you know, and it is designed around, it's like GPS-based, and so it is like finding the guy who's interested in being with you, you know, within a mile, within, you know, the closest possible, so you can just like, it's, and it does have a very seedy reputation, and I'm assuming that's why Cantwell Showed up for it.
Why he got interested in trying to, because I think his initial goal was, I'm going to get on there, I'm going to try to get people to call me.
One of the vagaries here, one of the reasons, because he used to do some prank calling and stuff, like he would call around to places, but he can't do that.
from the state of New Hampshire where he lives, because New Hampshire is a one-party consent state.
Or, pardon me, it's a two-party consent state.
Both parties on a call have to consent to the recording in order for it to be recorded.
And so, if you were to place calls from within the state of New Hampshire and not get permission from the other people on the call to record it, then he could be held, like, legally liable for, I mean, he could be sued, he could be prosecuted for that.
And so he's not going to do that.
In terms of service of like Omegle or Omni TV or whatever it's called or is they're different they do they do release you know the recording recordings are allowed to be made I mean it's kind of designed for that.
So, what he's doing is he... I think his original goal was to get onto Grindr, find a bunch of, like, degenerate people in his mind, not mine, of course, who are just looking to get laid, to get them on the phone, to get consent for them to... for him to record it, and then to just rowdy these people, and just, you know, mock them in the same way that you saw him mocking people on Omni TV, or on MeTV.
Unfortunately for him, or I don't know, it didn't quite work that way.
It did not quite work out that way.
What he felt was that a whole lot of the people that he was running into, who were willing to talk to him, were much more interesting than he was going to give them credit for.
We're going to play a clip in a minute, part of a three and a half hour conversation that he had with one of the guys on this app.
I feel a certain reticence to sort of talk in detail about this stuff without revealing a little something about myself, and that is that I do not talk about these issues on this podcast for various reasons, but I am, you know, not straight, you know?
I don't know exactly how I identify these days, but I am also in an open marriage.
I have a girlfriend, you know, who lives out of town.
If you were on the most recent Patreon live chat, my friend Emily stopped in.
That is my girlfriend Emily.
She's also the person I was talking about earlier, about wanting to explain Benjamin Boyce 2 and just completely failing to find a hook even for that conversation.
You know, I have been in threesomes, I have been in, you know, etc, etc.
This is not to brag, and it's certainly not to, like, talk too much.
I'm not interested in, you know, having deep conversations about this on this podcast, but Chris Campbell does not understand, in the slightest, what the appeal of Grindr is.
He doesn't understand anything about this world, and he's coming into it with an absolutely despicable agenda, and It's, it's just, it's, it's just terrible.
It's horrifying that he's, the initial goal was terrifying and the, or horrifying, it's not terrifying really, but the things that he is doing here, I find, I find as despicable as anything he's done, and he's done a lot of despicable shit.
So, in a minute I'm going to play a little bit of a clip, a little bit of that long clip, but first I wanted to let you see what Cantwell is like You texted me asking me if I wanted to be a part of this, and I did.
And I'm sorry.
I'm not good at this.
out of one of these interviews, 'cause he's conducted several of these interviews at this point. - You texted me, asked me if I wanted to be a part of this, and I did.
- Yeah.
- And I'm sorry. - I'm not good at this. - I'm perfectly happy to work with all of your imperfections, buddy.
It's the whole entire point.
- No, you're not.
Yeah!
I have, as a matter of fact.
I've read both of those books.
And you know where I read them?
In prison, okay?
So, like, I understand people like you better than you probably fucking think, okay?
But you don't disrespect me.
Listen, I'm up because I'm mourning the loss of my life.
I'll disrespect you to your fucking face, okay?
Like, I'm a fucking... I'm a 220 pound, 6 foot fucking man.
I would kill you.
Yeah, I'm sure you... I would kill you and I would go to prison willingly.
I'm sure your life is full of violent fantasies like that, but I'm just saying to you that if you and I were naked in a room, you'd do whatever I told you to because you're a fucking inferior subject to me, okay?
So just behave like one and I'll help you.
That is probably the most deeply pitiful and pathetic thing I've ever heard in my entire life.
percent fucking certainty that you're inferior to me and I'm going to help you if you fucking let me.
That goes on for about 45 minutes.
That is probably the most deeply pitiful and pathetic thing I've ever heard in my entire life.
I honestly, I do not know that I've ever heard anything that makes me more embarrassed on behalf of the person talking than that.
The person he's talking to is very clearly going through some kind of episode.
There's very clearly some... There's some issue.
There's some... I don't know.
I wouldn't hazard a guess.
I don't know anything about this person.
The only reason I'm playing, even the voice, is just to demonstrate and to...
This person is anonymous to me, it was anonymous probably to Cantwell.
I am doing everything I can to respect the rights of the people who have been victimized by Cantwell here.
And so if that person does find this and reaches out to me, and the other clip, if either of these people find me and want their clips removed, I will remove them.
So I'll just say that out loud right now.
Because I do, I do have the utmost respect because these people have been victimized by Chris Cantwell.
Yes.
Yes.
We do no ill to these people.
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
What is particularly despicable here is that Cantwell is getting, is getting access to these people.
They are coming in and they are spilling their hearts to him.
In many cases, they are talking about, I mean, we'll get into the details here, but What he's doing is he's going on Grindr and saying, like, I'm a podcast host.
I'm a radio host.
I run a podcast.
I'm not going to tell you what it is because you're going to Google it, and then you're going to come in with preconceptions, and I don't want you to have preconceptions about who I am.
I want to just, like, have a conversation and get to know you and get to hear your perspective on things.
I don't want you to have accurate knowledge.
I don't want you to know that you're talking to the crying Nazi who has very definite opinions about homosexuality that are incredibly negative.
We're going to get to that in a minute as well.
I thought we might.
He plays up being sympathetic.
Look, I believe that Chris Cantwell has known gay people in his life, in which he was probably perfectly okay with them being gay as long as they kept their gay stuff over there away from him.
I am 100% certain that that's true.
He is a homophobe, he is a bigot, he is a... Every bad thing that you can imagine, he is all of those things.
He is all of those things.
But, he is a human being and he recognizes other human beings.
And he does, again, he has a three and a half hour conversation with this other guy.
And they have a good heart-to-heart.
They talk in detail.
Yeah, by maybe about a month.
Oh, so this is all very recent for you, huh?
Yes, absolutely.
Yeah, so the initial question was, how long have you been on Grindr?
I just cut that little bit out of it.
Absolutely.
Are you gay?
But, well, that's an interesting question.
I kind of prefer myself to consider myself bisexual.
Okay.
I wouldn't necessarily go as far as, you know, I get a little lost and swimming around all the different labels that we've come up with as a community or society or what have you.
But, uh, um, I wouldn't go as far as to say I'm pansexual, but I just kind of, my viewpoint is I kind of see people for people, um, regardless of, uh, race, sex or gender or any of the above.
Well, I, I, I'm going to challenge you a little bit on that.
I mean, if you're dressing up as a woman, it seems to me that you are pretty keenly aware of the differences between people, aren't you?
Oh, absolutely.
I'm just saying that I can appreciate, I don't have necessarily, so I can appreciate a black and white photo just as much as I can appreciate a color photo.
Or things that I'm still distinguishing the difference between, but I could still appreciate the beauty in what makes that individual unique.
And I don't have a necessarily strong bias against that.
So I left in like a lot, usually I trim these a little bit for the ums and ahs and the pauses and such.
I wanted to give you a very accurate portrait of what this conversation is.
Cantwell is coming in with an agenda.
He wants to get certain bits of information out of this person.
He wants to build a narrative around this person's life.
And the answers he's getting are very heartfelt.
There are now this guy has some bigoted opinions as well.
I'm not going to I'm not going to deny that I'm not going to brush over that we're going to get to that in a minute, but I think ultimately his heart is in the right place.
He is not a Nazi.
He did not deserve to be treated this way.
He is a... I'm not going to give you a lot of details, but he is divorced.
He is middle-aged.
He is older than I am.
He has had his first same-sex, you know, sexual experience within the last year and a half or so.
So he is new to this.
He is coming at this as a middle-aged man.
He talks in detail about, like, other relationships he's had outside of his marriage.
He talks in detail about, um, some of the sexual fetishes that he's into, um, that he's experimented with with people.
And, you know, he seems to be, like, a very, very ordinary person.
And this is why I wanted to preface this with my experience.
He is a very, very ordinary, normie person within, you know, the gender and sexual minority, like, community, if you want to give it that.
You know, within swingers, within poly people, within, The King community.
This guy is 100% bog standard norm.
There is absolutely nothing that strikes me as in any way out of, you know, out of the ordinary with, from the conversation that he had.
Except that he's been preyed upon by Christopher fucking Cantwell.
Yeah.
In addition, and I'm gonna, I'm sorry, I'm gonna spring this on you because this is what we're doing today.
We're just bringing stuff on Jack apparently.
I'm going to show you the cover art that Cantwell decided to use when hosting this interview.
Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what I expected.
Would you describe it to the audience?
It looks to me like an AI-generated image of A woman's body, but the person in the image has a beard and a moustache and long blonde pigtails.
In addition to having their female breasts very visible through sort of what looks like a kind of porn outfit.
Yes, it's very much like this.
When you were getting ready to show it to me, I was thinking it's going to be, pardon me everybody, it's going to be a bloke in a dress.
Because that's all these people have ever got.
That's all these people have ever got.
Oh, you're a bloke in a dress.
This is this is pretty vile, even by the bloke at address, you know, concept.
This is this is if this was a real person, I would say if this is the way you want to look, I have zero problem with like, you know, gender bending and all that stuff.
I zero zero problem with any of that to put this as this.
This is.
He's calling this guy a degenerate.
He's saying, with this image, what he feels about these kinds of people.
About the kinds of people who engage in this kind of activity.
And I mean, I would go so far as to say that this looks like an AR-generated art of, like if you said, Streetwalker, prostitute, or whore with a bearded man's face.
I guarantee you something like that was the prompt that he gave it.
It's just nasty stuff.
It's nasty, nasty stuff.
And I'm taking that off of my screen now because I had to look at that too long when I was listening to the episode and I'm not Again, he's coming across, he's being very respectful and he's being very like, we're just, I just want to hear your side of the story.
I just want to get your side.
And then like, what does he do with the episode?
Oh, guess what the episode was titled?
I didn't give you that detail yet.
Sissy.
He titles it Sissy.
Sissy.
Yeah.
So.
The conversation with this guy, it goes... He's fucking scum.
Yep, he is.
So the conversation with this guy, the guy that goes on for three and a half hours, it's actually split into two calls because the first half is very... Sorry, can I just make sure I understand what's happening here?
This individual who's talking to Cantwell, he is under the impression that he's having Or is supposed to be having a serious conversation with somebody who is representing themselves as a radio journalist or something like that.
Who is sincerely interested in questions of somebody who's exploring their sexuality and stuff like that.
And Cantwell is doing this.
The aim here is to basically present this person to his audience as like an amusing freak.
That's basic.
That's what's happening here.
Is that right?
That's, that's effectively what's happening.
So he does, he does not, he does not produce like intro and outro segments that like mock this guy for his stuff.
He has, he has at least The veneer of empathy he is at least like it's he is not going to going out there and going, you know, look at the weirdo look at the degenerate look at the F slur.
He's not he's not going that far.
He's building to a certain kind of political point is what he's doing and that's that's kind of where I'm getting on this.
This is very reminiscent of, uh, Alex Jones does shit like this.
Alex Jones does the, uh, the dishonest interview.
This is a, this is an old technique of Alex Jones's where he talks to somebody who, I mean, less so now, cause he's more famous, uh, now than he used to be, but certainly back in the old days.
I mean, if you, if you listen to Knowledge Fight, you mentioned Knowledge Fight earlier.
If people listen to Knowledge Fight, they know this.
Um, this is something Alex Jones has always done.
Get somebody on the Info Wars who, uh, you know, doesn't really understand who Alex Jones is.
And subjects them to a dishonest interview where he works his own agenda while taking advantage of the person.
Sorry, that's a byway.
But it just reminded me powerfully, you know, one absolutely despicable, cynical, lying shitbag is going to be quite like another, I suppose.
Just naturally.
Very much so, very much so.
So this conversation goes on in two parts.
It's actually two separate calls that are stitched together.
The first call is very much not politically focused.
It's very personally focused and just kind of like this guy's history and all the stuff I told you before.
He calls back.
He actually gets on the phone with him again.
So he had a good enough experience to call back, first of all.
And he said like, yeah, I didn't really want to get into the politics originally.
But I will.
I know you're kind of a political guy and you were asking political questions and I just wanted to kind of Have have more conversation around that topic.
I mean, this is a guy, again, who is definitely seems to be feeling his way through these issues like for the first time is definitely not like thinking seriously.
I mean, he's thinking seriously, but he's not.
He's not educated on this stuff.
He's just a normal person who has an interesting sex life who is being preyed upon by Chris Cantwell.
And again, we're going to get into like this.
This is this is some basically He's bought into the groomer nonsense.
He's bought into the, well, trans, there's no such thing as a trans kid.
It's just adults preying on trans kids.
And, you know, you're allowing kids to medically transition at five because they just say they are when we know that, like, children aren't allowed to make those kinds of decisions for themselves, yada, yada, yada.
He's bought into that bullshit.
And I don't think that's okay.
But this isn't, this isn't, this isn't about this guy.
This is about Cantwell.
I have friends that went through college.
You know, they're changing their major.
They're two or three years into college.
Well, I just don't know yet.
I don't know.
And we're talking about adults that could buy a firearm, vote, go to war, drive a car, pay taxes, make decisions on a regular basis that do affect us as a collective, as a whole, as a country, as a nation.
But where are we after there?
16, 18, 21, right?
Right.
But we're letting children decide their... I was banned from Grindr because I saw a woman on there who had every appearance of being female who identified herself as a female-to-male transgender.
And having spoken to two female-to-male transgenders whose lives were completely destroyed by testosterone, I said, Hey, you know, I just want to talk to you about this.
I think that you're making a bad decision.
You know, you, you still have your, your femininity, like whatever it is that you want to do with your life.
You know, you still have this option and I want to caution you against making permanent changes.
And sure enough, she reported me to Grindr and I was banned and I didn't call her a name.
I didn't use an epithet.
I didn't, all I tried to do is counsel her against doing this.
Right.
The regime that pushes this stuff, like I said, they are none so pluralistic as they make themselves out to be.
It's entirely one-way pluralism.
They're saying that we're going to destroy this way of life and you're going to either go along with it or we're going to destroy you.
And so you can kind of see where the politics is going, what he's using this for.
He's not necessarily victimizing this one man, although he is, but he's using this content, he's using this to push to a hypothetical, on his part, more mainstream audience.
He's trying to get certain ideas out there regarding Homosexuality and regarding that, even the gay people, even the gay people don't like this trans stuff, right?
Even the gay people.
And so this is like another, again, it's a, it's a less, it's a lesser version of the gays against groomers stuff, right?
It's just, it's just that again.
Um, but like using Chris's particular, so I would say skillset is particular, um, is particular mode of operation.
That's the last clip I have of that gentleman, of that person.
I hope you understand why I wanted to include that.
I'm going to shift gears just for a second.
And we're going to play what Cantwell's normal content around this issue is.
This is not going to be Cantwell speaking, for the most part.
This is a man named Simon Roche.
He is a South African man.
He is part of the Sweetlanders Project.
We don't have time to get into the details on that.
He was in the United States in late 2023, and he stopped off, first of all, to do an episode of The Radical Agenda.
And then he had such a great time with Cantwell that he came in and did a four-hour secondary bonus that was released to the public.
It wasn't released just to the paying members.
Roche is vile.
Roche is vile.
He's a South African apartheid advocate.
I mean, he's that guy.
This organization, if you remember the Lawrence Southern documentary about the South African farm murders, that's his head issue.
This is that group, this little exact group.
And so this is Simon Roche talking with the 100% approval of Catwell.
This is his opinion.
And they start off talking about the church and the American, the far-right church.
They talk about The Southern Baptist Convention loosened its requirements or its opinion on the existence of gay people in the church in the last couple of decades, and in particular in the last 10 years or so.
This is how he, this is how Roche, and by extension Cantwell, responds to that.
Along comes the Southern Baptist Convention, supposedly notoriously conservative, unwaverable, in the holy doctrine of our Savior, saying, up the bum's okay.
In that moment, I believe that many conservative Christians all around the world knew that they were not in a grey area.
That no matter how many times the radio, the television, Donald Trump, God bless him, saying, I've got no problem with gays, no matter who said, in fact, this is not as wrong as our forefathers have made it out to be.
That they were able to conclude for themselves.
Bullshit!
Bullshit!
Do not equate the marriage of the sperm and the ova in creating new flesh in the womb of a woman with ejaculating into a poo canal.
Yeah.
I don't know much.
I'm not clever enough, me.
I don't know whether we should be nicer to Palestine, whether we should grant independence to the Peruvians, whether we should be shipping arms to Nicaragua, whether we should be the Labour Party, we should be voting Labour in Australia, or we should be voting Conservative, whether Jacinda Ardern... I'm too stupid, but I know that!
I know I'm clever enough to know that!
Don't convince, don't try to convince me to tell my little boys, my beloved children, that that's okay and it's equal.
I want to, um, Simon does not have the benefit of headphones.
And so it's worth the effect.
But I want to let you know that there is some clipping there.
And I think it actually serves to drive home your point of how seriously you take the issue. - No.
None of that faux respect for gay people to live their lives, none of that like, I know gay people, I have the, you know, I've been around these people, they're okay if they're okay, etc.
None of that Phoniness comes out in that conversation, you notice.
It's... It's semen in a poo canal.
That's what... That's what Cantwell actually thinks of gay people.
That's what Cantwell actually believes.
And you notice that his response to this outburst on Roche's part is to... Well, uh, the audience... We might have blown your speakers out a little bit there, so yeah, sorry about that.
The technical limitations, etc, etc.
Let's... And they just go on and have...
They continue on with the conversation as if that is perfectly fine.
Actually, the clipping brings it home, how powerful.
It was a very powerful speech it was made and the clipping only makes it more powerful, I think.
Yeah.
So again, not that anyone listening this far into this podcast would have any doubt as to how Cantwell feels.
And I could have very easily found there are worse clips.
There are clips of Cantwell saying things that are just disgusting, that are just absolutely vile on this issue.
Maybe I'll put it up as bonus content.
People keep wanting the darker version of this podcast on the live chats I do.
We do get requests of like, no, we want the dark version.
It's like, you really don't want the dark version, I promise you.
But maybe we'll do something like that for bonus material one day.
Just like, just really terrible clips of Cantwell saying things about gay people.
So yeah, I don't know.
We're getting to wrap up here.
I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm beating this dead horse a little bit, but I think it's important to have that context.
That's what we do here, Daniel.
We beat dead horses.
We do.
Hey, did you know that The Crying Nazi is racist?
Let's explain all the different ways he's been racist recently.
Right.
No, I agree.
I agree.
But yeah, no.
Do you have any other comment before we play the last clip to wrap up here?
Um, I hesitate to say this because this is all kinds of problematic.
Um, and people might, I don't know, I might, I might get, uh, I might get in trouble for this, you know, might get cancelled by the woke mob who want to destroy free speech, obviously.
Um, you know, and that just destroys your life, you know, like, you know, that's what these people want.
Like when they, when you're on an app, you know, and you start harassing people and they throw you off the app, that's what that is.
That's destroying your life.
But no, people might take this for a joke, and it's kind of a joke, but it's also, I'm kind of serious.
This guy!
He's going on Grindr!
And he's talking to people like, if we were in a room together I could dominate you!
And he's creating AI images of female sex workers with men's faces, beards and shit.
Chris!
Sweetie!
Honey!
I don't know, you might want to give some thought to this.
You might want to, you know, obviously self-examination is not your thing, clearly, but maybe give it a try one day, you know, maybe actually give some thought to who you are and how you feel about stuff, and I don't know, it's just possible that you might come to some realizations and if you could just I don't know, if you could just get in touch with your real feelings a little bit more closely, you might actually be happier.
And maybe other people would be happier, too.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm not a psychoanalyst.
I'm not a psychologist.
I can't, you know, I don't know.
But he's got some cards he's not showing us.
That's what I think.
I'm sorry.
No, no, you're good.
What the fuck?
So I'm gonna just jump ahead on this.
You know, I am going to play the last clip, I think, but I think it's worth... I think it's worth... You gave me the perfect end for this.
So, Cantwell, in the Nazi community, in the online Nazi community, since 2018, since the Bowl Patrol bullshit, he has had a reputation Of such, because he is known to have willingly injected methamphetamine into his ass, for instance, into his actual butthole.
Yeah, we have actually talked at length about Christopher Cantwell putting things into his ass on this show before.
And there are photos of him.
This is the podcast that I do with you, Daniel.
This is your podcast that I do with you, for you.
This is kind of our job, like, you know, this is a part-time job for me.
It's knowing this stuff.
Oh my god, you know, go around with that realization in your life.
But yeah, no, there are photos of him circulating on the internet where he's, like, pleasuring himself with Like a pocket pussy and you have like a like a vibrant and conquering and that sort of thing and so he has this sort of very Not great reputation among certain parts of the of the Nazi, right?
Because of you know because of that and uh, you know objectively these are the best things about him and No, no, no, like, yeah, I mean, you know, hey, you want to get off with some sex toys, hey, yeah, that is fine with me, you know, you're sending it to, you know, if you've got a consenting partner who wants to see that, like, believe me, I've seen it all, I've seen worse, it's fine, but, uh...
It turns out that Cantwell has been kicked off of Grindr more than once under multiple accounts.
Partly because he's been using an IP spoofing software to generate false locations so that he can talk to people in different areas, which is a no-no for the site.
Partly because he's been abusive to people and been reported to people on the app.
We're gonna get to the issues.
On his telegram, he put out the following request.
I don't want to use the system to harass people.
I go out of my way to be polite, and the substance of most talks takes place off-platform.
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Chris Cantwell is trying to get his most devoted followers on Telegram to dox themselves to him so that he can look at more penises on Grindr.
That's what's happening.
That's literally what's happening.
He wants to spend more time on Grindr and he's trying to get his audience, his followers, to give them their information so that he can spoof their IP address and so that he can continue to make more accounts.
So you can spend more time on Grindr.
Yeah.
That's, it's just, you're not dodging that reputation this way, buddy.
You know what?
It's just...
I don't know.
Like, oh yeah, you get blocked from one account, okay fine, I'll just go and find some other thing.
He's way into getting into Grindr, you know.
He wants in, doesn't he?
He wants to be in Grindr, definitely.
He wants to be in all the different ways in that he can get into Grindr.
He wants in.
He's very interested, yes.
Again, I don't think anyone would reasonably interpret what we're doing here as homophobic.
It is, obviously, I have, you know, experience with these matters.
And, you know, again, zero criticism of anybody using any app of this kind for their sexual gratification or their emotional gratification.
But Cantwell is on another fucking planet, man.
All right.
If only he were.
If only he were.
If only he were, yes.
All right.
Big wrap up here.
Where is this all leading?
Reparative therapy.
He's trying to justify reparative therapy.
That is turning gay people into straight people, effectively, and normalizing that.
This is Cantwell's empathy you're about to hear.
He considers this to be an incredibly empathetic thing that he's saying.
This is a long clip, but I think it's worth it.
I think one of the most intriguing The facts about it is, the realization that the female-to-male transgender community, within that demographic, there's women who were lesbians who did this for whatever reason, and then after they start taking testosterone, they start to develop a sexual appetite for male attention.
Now, you can look at that a few ways.
One of them is, you know, they're unchangeably homosexual, and if you start exposing them to male hormones, then the exposure to male hormones makes them want same-sex contact with males.
Another is that homosexuality is a treatable condition.
And, oh boy, you say homosexuality is a treatable condition, you're gonna get in a lot of trouble with a lot of people, right?
You're gonna, you're gonna be, hey, wait, you're just, you're saying gay people are sick?
Well, I'm actually saying that, you know, in this case it sort of helps to be a Darwinist, as a matter of fact.
If you lack the drive to reproduce, then as a Darwinist, I can only view that as an affliction.
And if you were in any other situation like that, then you would go to a doctor and you would say, You know, I can't get an erection in the presence of a woman.
I can't... I've been trying to impregnate my wife.
We're making love every night and we're not having a... we're not conceiving.
And in either of those cases, the highest paid and most capable people of our species will rush to the assistance of that couple and try to help them conceive.
They'll give them medications.
They'll surgically intervene if they have to.
They'll do anything it takes to help that couple have a child.
If the same man goes with the same penis to the same doctor and says, Doc, this penis will only get erect for men, the doctor will congratulate him on his modernity, and if he dares to demand treatment, he will be refused that treatment.
And he'll be scolded for his sinful thinking.
He'll be sent to a therapist who will demand generous payment from him or the taxpayer, he doesn't care where it comes from, to tell him that it's great!
What he's involved in.
And that he just needs to get over it.
But if you talk to these people long enough, a lot of them will tell you.
You know, that if they could change it, they would.
And the people who prevent them from having access to those options are not looking out for them.
It's not... It's a malicious thing to do to them!
Forget about what they're doing to civilization!
The people that they claim to be advocating for, they're hurting them!
They're denying them medical treatment!
And I'm offended by that.
I honestly am.
Kind of the serious version of what I was saying before is that this guy has infantile sexuality.
This is what it sounds like.
He sounds like a little child talking about willies and fannies the way little kids do.
You know, curious little kids who would just...
That's what he sounds like.
He sounds like a child that's just learning about the bits and pieces that people have and the things that people do and is obsessed with it and is just talking about it.
That's what it sounds like to me.
It sounds like infantile, childish obsession.
And it's pathetic.
It's absolutely fucking pathetic.
This guy, he's... What business is any of this of yours?
Why are you so fucking obsessed with other people's genitals and what they do with them, to the point where you have to...
Go on, and on, and on, spouting this ludicrous fucking squalid ignorance that you dress up as a scientist.
You're dressing this up as science?
You don't know the first fucking thing about any of this?
Obviously you won't listen to any of the people that actually do know, the people that actually do the science and research this stuff.
You just want to talk about other people's genitals, and what you imagine they do with them, and how to you that feels like a civilizational threat.
This is so fucking contemptible and pathetic.
100% agreed.
He does run into people in these conversations sometimes who are, even people who have called into his show who didn't know anything about him or just called in.
He has spoken to queer people, he has spoken to even like, there was like a teenager who was possibly non-binary or trans, and he has spoken to these people and the moment that he finds that out he is immediately The worst possible stereotypes and the worst possible version of this.
This is a man with the internet.
This is a man with internet access.
This is a man who can find things out for himself.
He can read things.
He is literate.
He is not dumb.
He is capable of reading complicated things.
He doesn't understand them often because he's not a genius.
He could know more than this if he could just remove the remove the thing in his heart, the thing in his brain that just can't get over this issue.
He could understand this so much more.
There was a real conversation to be had with that gentleman that he had three and a half hour conversation with.
There was a real person there with a really varied experience who could have taught you so much about the world, but instead he turns it into A fast track to the worst bigotry towards gay people imaginable.
I mean, we're literally talking about the elimination of gay people.
That's what reparative therapy is.
Oh yeah, yeah.
It's the elimination of gay people.
It's not giving people the option.
It's forcing people into this option because fertility rates or whatever.
It is absolutely vile stuff.
This is who Cantwell is.
This is why we put so much energy into him.
Yes, he's entertaining.
He's entertaining to kick around.
He is actively harming people in the real world on Grindr.
He is actively approaching that user base with malicious intent.
And if you or somebody you love or know is on that app, I hope that they are made aware of that fact.
So if they hear this Peter Griffin-ass voice asking questions and wanting them to come on a podcast, they know exactly who the fuck this guy is.
That's why we're doing this episode.
Absolutely.
Yeah, I hope so.
I hope, you know, maybe this helps.
Um, and yeah, we, you know, we kick him around.
We have, we have fun taking the piss out of him.
Um, that's not, you know, it might not sound like it, but that's not something that I do lightly.
Like I, I detest bullying.
I hate it.
At moments in my life I've been guilty of it towards other people, as I suppose most of us have in one way or another at one time or another.
Those are some of the memories that I'm most ashamed of and most apologetic for.
I hate it.
I don't likely do this.
I don't likely make somebody a laughing stock and take the piss out of them and publicly insult them.
The reason we do this is not because, you know, this guy is fun to pick on.
The reason we do this is because this guy, as ludicrous and pathetic and ridiculous and laughable as he is, he is poison.
That's what this stuff is, as you said, reparative therapy.
This is genocidal bigotry.
It's inherently eliminationist bigotry.
And he's out there preying on people.
I don't think we can sum it up any better than that.
There will certainly be more Cantwell episodes in the future, but hopefully we can take a little bit of a break from him.
I realized what he was doing and knew we had to prep this one quickly, so I prepped this over the course of just a few days, really.
And it's not fun.
It's not fun.
But that's all I got for you today.
I think that's enough.
I think that'll do it.
I think that's enough, yes.
It's a lot, as the kids say.
Yeah, so thanks for that, Daniel.
That was as fascinating as it was just dispiriting.
I'm not sure what to do.
I kind of want to go and burn down the world completely, but instead I'd probably just Probably just do something fun to take my mind off it, you know, to wash the filth that is Cantwell out of my brain.
And listeners, I think you deserve to do the same thing too, so go and do that.
But thanks for listening to us first.
Thanks for polluting your grey matter with the reports that Daniel brings you.
So yeah, watch out for more episodes from us in the future.
Public bonuses, maybe news briefs and mainline episodes.
They will be coming.
I know we've been a bit fallow lately, but they will be coming.
In the meantime, you know where we are and you know what to do.
Go and do it!
And that's I Don't Speak German.
Thank you very much.
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