Daniel and Jack return with a bumper episode. We start with Steven Crowder's declaration of hostilities against Shapiro and his organisation The Daily Wire, and from there we move through the various reactions on the far Right, from Elijah Schaffer to John Doyle to Isabelle Riley Moody to Nick Fuentes, and more. This episode is less about the Crowder vs. Shapiro spat and more about how it opens a window into the rampant and increasingly mainstreamed antisemitism on the Right. This episode comes with heavy content warnings. Daniel has done a ton of research and come back with a panoply of sniggering horrors. Jack has bleeped out the r-slurs and f-slurs. But still, take care. Show Notes: Please consider donating to help us make the show and stay ad-free and independent. Patrons get exclusive access to at least one full extra episode a month plus all backer-only back-episodes. Daniel's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/danielharper Jack's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4196618 IDSG Twitter: https://twitter.com/idsgpod Daniel's Twitter: @danieleharper Jack's Twitter: @_Jack_Graham_ IDSG on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-dont-speak-german/id1449848509?ls=1 Episode Notes: Sydney Watson complaint against The Blaze Patriot J Twitter thread regarding Sydney Watson lawsuit Killstream on Sydney Watson lawsuit Steven Crowder, I'm Leaving the Blaze (December 15, 2022) Steven Crowder, It's Time To Stop (January 17, 2023) The Daily Wire Announces ‘Jeremy’s Razors’ Campaign as Part of Feud with Harry’s Razors “ On Tuesday, March 22, Jeremy Boreing, co-founder, co-CEO and self-described “god-king” of the conservative website The Daily Wire, announced the launch of Jeremy’s Razors, part of a campaign against Harry’s razors. Harry’s is a popular men’s grooming company that pulled advertising from The Daily Wire one year ago after receiving a complaint on Twitter that some of The Daily Wire’s podcast hosts had engaged in homophobic speech. Jeremy’s Razors is the culmination of an “I Hate Harry’s” campaign announced last week by Boreing and Ben Shapiro, a conservative media figure and editor emeritus at The Daily Wire.” Jeremy Boering, Our Offer to Steven Crowder (January 18, 2023) Jet Lag The Game Season Three Playlist Slightly Offensive, CONNED?! Daily Wire RESPONDS To Crowder in BIZARRE 52 min RANT Nicholas J. Fuentes DEATH CON 2: Crowder's MUG CLUB Declares TOTAL WAR Against Jewish Media | America First Ep. 1111 John Doyle goes off on AF and NICK FUENTES. Total War IMMINENT????? (January 9, 2022) I'm Doing Great, Do LGBT Kids EXIST? (January 24, 2023) Matt Bernstein tells us what his handle means Isabella Reilly, SATANIC Feminist Says "Dead Men Can't RAPE"?? WTF Jimmy Dore's 'Very Pro-Employer' Work Contracts (substack.com)
This is a long time coming, obviously, and I had been hoping that this would be, of course, a joint statement.
I've lost sleep over this for months because I knew that I wouldn't be renewing, and of course The Blaze knew that I wouldn't be renewing, but I have no way of reaching you.
I'm precluded from being able to reach you.
And that's why, if you go in and enter your email so we don't lose touch with you at mugclubforever.com, we can enter that in there.
And every time I mention it to a man, just bring it up.
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Yes.
As usual, I'm Jack, your co-host and gubernatorial comptroller of the podcast.
But I'm here with Daniel, who is the actual talent.
Daniel, be talented for us.
I thought I already had been, so I don't know.
Like, you know, I'm here.
Yeah, here we go.
Yeah.
That's right, all he has to do is show up.
Yeah, all I do is show up with the clips.
That's all I do.
And the product of a huge amount of work.
It's been a while, but it's really nice to be back with you listeners, as the proper team.
It's really nice to be back to you and me talking, Daniel.
I've been privileged to play host to some wonderful guests recently, but still, this is the way it should be.
Yeah, no, no, and I do appreciate any of the listeners for, you know, putting up with my absence because I was doing some other stuff and, you know, sort of working on some projects.
And I do have quite a few episodes in, like, partial, like, prep.
I've been doing a lot of different things.
I just, you know, I needed to take a break from recording for a little bit, but we're back, and hopefully we'll finish out February with some banger episodes, and then move right into March and do more banger episodes.
By which I mean, it's all mashed potatoes from here.
That's what I mean by banger.
Yeah.
And gravy.
Okay!
Well, so what's this episode about?
Tell us what it's about.
So we're going to be talking about the context of the Stephen Crowder Daily Wire drama, and the larger ecosystem which surrounds that.
Although I think in this episode we're mostly going to be covering Some of the drama and sort of kind of what happened and then the next episode I think this will end up being a two-parter based on the number of clips I have it's definitely going to be a two-parter.
The second part will be more of that context but I think you know I never want this show to be like let's just cover the news and this is kind of old news at this point like it has been it has been a while I've been prepping this for a while.
A lot of people don't come to us for the gossip hot off the presses you know Right.
I think there's a lot here that I'm going to be able to offer that has not been like put together.
So hopefully people will appreciate this, but I have put a lot of work into following this fucking drama and kind of dealing with that stuff.
So yeah, no.
And I know we also have some predecessor business to do.
And so I guess we'll start there.
Yeah, we have some Jimmy Dore news.
I'm sorry to have to tell you all.
I raised the possibility of talking a little bit about this at the start of this episode, and Daniel pointed out to me that it's actually quite apt for what we're going to be talking about in the episode proper.
So I just wanted to, in case you hadn't already seen it, listeners, and in case you're interested, as I am for some reason, in Mr. Dore, I wanted to drag your attention to an article at a site called Important Context by Walker Bragman.
And I think really the best thing I can do is just read some bits of the article.
I'll try to get through it as quickly as possible, but it'll become clear why I'm doing that.
So I'm quoting now.
An independent contractor agreement, which was used by Dawes Production Company for Dawes Productions in the summer of 2020, contained several harsh provisions that disadvantaged workers.
The document contains a thorough nine-part, three-page-long confidentiality section, effectively prohibiting contractors from discussing anything they learned about Doar, his wife, or their collaborators on the job, including details about their business, personal lives, finances, investments, and more.
In the past, Doar criticized former President Trump's use of confidentiality agreements with volunteers, calling them right-wing.
The consequences for workers who breach Doors' confidentiality section, or another section requiring contractors to sign away rights to their work product, can be severe under the agreement.
Breaches, and even threatened breaches, constitute, quote, immediate and irreparable harm, unquote, entitling Doors' company to equitable non-monetary relief, meaning contractors could be ordered to refrain from the activity.
The agreement further stipulates that breaches entitle Dawes Company to liquidated damages, which are agreed-upon damages for failing to meet a specific contractual obligation in the amount of $10,000 per breach.
The 4DP Contractor Agreement includes forced arbitration for disputes except in certain circumstances, like union busting, In arbitration, parties submit disputes and claims to a chosen arbitrator, in this case one affiliated with the American Arbitration Association, rather than going through the courts.
Arbitrators are notoriously pro-employer.
Arbitration can also be expensive.
It deprives workers of their ability to be heard by a jury.
The 4DP contract spells this out explicitly.
Once a decision has been rendered by an arbitrator, workers have little recourse.
As the National Association of Consumer Advocates warns, arbitrators aren't required to take the law and legal precedent into account.
There is no appeal or public review of decisions.
So that's the end of the quotes from that article, and yeah.
Yeah.
Hero of the working man, Mr. James Doar, for everybody.
I mean, there was a Supreme Court case, which I will put a link to the 5FourPod episode about the Supreme Court case, because I would not do it justice, particularly not having, like, kind of re-listened to it lately or read the case or anything.
But effectively, you know, if you sign on to a... if you work for Walmart, which...
One of my first jobs was working at Walmart.
So, but if you work at Walmart, then you essentially, A, They push all the anti-union thing that they could possibly push on you.
It is literally from, not even your interview, but from the pre-interview, you are kind of given anti-union propaganda.
And when I was like 17 and got that first job, you're not thinking, at least in the United States, it's just not part of your consciousness, unless you're working within particular industries, that unionization is a thing.
It's just like, oh, Well, we're a family here.
And so of course, we just, we don't sue each other.
You know, we don't, we don't need a union because we're treated well.
That's just the thing that happens if you work retail in the United States and many other jobs, but they also put a clause in there.
It's like, like, no, you, you agree as condition of your employment, that you're not going to seek out a lawyer that way that we go through an arbitration agreement for any, like, you know, And these things are, you know, they are paid for by the employer.
And, you know, this sounds great if you're, if, you know, if I'm 17 and I have a, and it's my first job, or if I'm, you know, poor, and it's, you know, not my first job, but you know, I wore it into the situation and I'm looking for a I run into a contract, a conference with my employer.
Oh, my check was a little light this week.
You know, Oh, I've got, I've got issues here.
I've got issues there.
Then my, my, uh, recourse is to hire a lawyer, which can cost thousands of dollars.
And a lawyer is not going to take a little small claims case for, you know, $200 or, you know, worth of missing wages or whatever.
There's not gonna, there's not going to cover there.
There's a, there's a, There's no recourse for that, right?
And so arbitration kind of sounds like a good deal.
It's like, okay, look, we're just going to deal with this internally and, you know, If it's all taken in good faith, but of course it's never, ever taken in good faith, right?
And so this is very, very standard American employment law, but what makes this particularly egregious is not just doing doors like pseudo-leftist credentials or whatever, but that this is...
This is fairly standard among people who are personal assistants to celebrities, or who work around celebrities.
Tom Cruise will have similar languages.
You can never say anything bad about Tom Cruise to the press, or else he's going to come sue you for $10,000 per incident, etc., etc., etc.
It sounds like this is very much a big media personality kind of NDA, confidentiality agreement.
Nothing on that level sounds particularly egregious on that level, right?
This sounds like exactly what you would expect a big media producer to have.
I guarantee you that every MSNBC personality has this, right?
Anybody with a personal assistant has this.
No, you don't actually get to sell pictures of my underwear when it's filthy to the National Enquirer.
You can't do that.
This doesn't sound surprising.
It's just that Jimmy Dore, pretending to have this leftist credential, has said all of these things are tools of the patriarchy, tools of capitalism, tools of whatever, which they absolutely are.
And Jimmy Dore, now that he has real money to throw around, he's using these for his own thing.
The ordinariness of it is what strikes me here.
Jimmy Dore is not a hypocrite because I don't believe Jimmy Dore actually has religious credentials.
This doesn't surprise me.
This is what any celebrity does and would do.
And Jimmy Dore sees himself as a celebrity and he doesn't want his dirty laundry aired in public.
As neither would you or I. But then again, you or I are not in a position to get to hire personal assistants to do our laundry and clean the ground on our on our tubs and, you know, get rid of the dead hookers.
So, you know, not that I'm implying that Jimmy Dore has dead hookers lying around, you know, like, certainly, you know, this is a...
Anyway, continue.
But yeah, no.
What strikes me is the ordinariness of it, and that's what I think is going to kind of come back to us as we move on to our main topic of the episode, is that it's both extraordinary in the sense of we get to see the inner workings of how these things work, and 100% ordinary in terms of how the language actually affects people.
Yeah, as you say, he's not a hypocrite because Jimmy Dore wouldn't know a principle or a conviction if one jumped out of the toilet bowl and bit him on the dick.
But, I mean, if you read the rest, there's a lot more in the article, and I'll link to it, of course.
If you read the article, there's a lot more in it from people who know him, ex-friends and things like that, explaining that, yeah, the guy's a real asshole, which we already knew, but an aggressive, bullying, exacting, real royal pain in the ass exacting, real royal pain in the ass to pretty much everybody all the time, as well as being a sexual harasser, of course, as we know.
So, yeah, he probably needs this sort of bodyguarding.
Right.
And I think there is a, like, obviously there is a spectrum between, like, you know, if you and I decided to just hire an editor, like, so we didn't have to edit anymore, you know, like, you know, and we paid them a fair wage and said, like, Right.
And I think there is a, like, obviously there is a spectrum between like, you know, if you and I decided to just hire an editor, like, so we didn't have to edit anymore, you know, like, you know, and we paid them a fair wage and said like, look, this is, this is a thing, you know, that, you know, I don't think this is a thing, you know, that, you know, I don't think that that's an unreasonable thing to do as you, as you kind of move forward and you create
Because I mean, but ultimately there is a, there is a dividing line that you kind of run into at a certain point in which like, you know, are you still, you know, working there?
Is this still some kind of equitable agreement?
Is this still kind of a fair thing?
Or are you actually starting to exploit people?
And ultimately, you and I are not anywhere near that point, you know, in this process.
But I do think about that in terms of, you know, when we start talking about, you know, content creation, that sort of thing is, you know, like, what do you actively, you know, Are you actively exploiting people?
Are you even actively exploiting your audience?
Are you can kind of continuing to do this because it's a moneymaker as opposed to something that's actually like viable in the world?
And I think that that's something that, you know, we certainly try to consider, but, you know, we're not doing five episodes a week, you know, kind of pointing and laughing at Anna Kasparian, which is kind of a Jimmy Doris thing at this point, you know what I mean?
So, you know, anyway, it is something that we are, that at least I am concerned with and kind of think about, you know, on a regular basis.
And particularly as we've been prepping this episode, because this is about media culture and what does it mean to take money from these people.
And obviously, there's a very different thing in terms of these right-wing drift-o-spheres and what we're working on.
I'm not trying to make that direct comparison.
It's just a, it is like a thing that's very easy to kind of throw out there, you know, for, for, for certain people.
And I, and I do just want to kind of highlight that, like, yes, we are aware of this and hopefully we have not ever come close to crossing that, you know, crossing that line.
So anyway, not that we need to belabor that point, but I did want to call it out there, you know, because people could kind of look at it, kind of look at us and go like, well, you make money on your podcast.
You know what I mean?
You know, but you know.
Yeah, it's the Matt Bores cartoon.
Right, yeah.
Yeah, so, crashing into the main subject of the episode then, what are we talking about?
So, well, I feel like the cold open here, you know, which was, you were talking about Steven Crowder, at least nominally, we're talking about Steven Crowder and the wars that he's been having with
Not necessarily, well, The Daily Wire, but also, you know, sort of like, sort of this, sort of, we spent a lot of time on this show talking about the extreme far right, talking about, you know, the people who are not monetized, who are not kind of getting money off of their content, or who are getting, if they're getting it, they're doing it on a, either, you know, there's some racist millionaire kind of like feeding $5,000 worth of Bitcoin their way, or they're getting it through donations and that sort of thing.
Yeah.
As opposed to sort of that, You know, the Matt Walsh's of the world, the Ben Shapiro's of the world, you know, the Glenn Beck's, the PragerU, we don't really spend a lot of time there.
But I think there's some really interesting kind of back and forth between these two There's a much more permeable membrane between these two groups now than I think there ever has been.
And that goes back even to 2015, 2016, when the sort of alt-right distinction was sort of a major thing, and there was a permeable membrane then.
I think it's even more overt now, but it's much more quiet than I think.
I think people were noticing it then.
And are not noticing exactly how pervasive this is today.
And so part of what I want to do with this, I guess it's going to be a two-part episode, is to kind of talk about that permeable membrane.
And so, you know, sort of tentative title is like, Noticing in the mainstream.
And when I say noticing, what I mean is the far right meaning of noticing, which is noticing how many Jews there are around in a certain year.
So that's kind of where we're going here.
So I just want to highlight that now.
We're talking about Stephen Crowder, but we're going to be talking less about him as a person and more about the larger ecosystem around him, even though we're going to spend a lot of time in this episode listening to Stephen Crowder.
In fact, our code open in this episode.
So, the big picture is Stephen Crowder leaves The Blaze And then he starts this website, thebigcon.com, which is supposed to be his manifesto fighting against the big conservative movement who are just in line with big tech.
And you just have to be a part of my team and not the big tech team.
And all I need is your email, and you can join my mug club.
This is a new thing.
It's up to... Steven Crowder, like, he left the Blaze in... he left the Blaze in December.
He left the Blaze, like, two months ago.
And he posted, at the time, a video which was effectively, I'm leaving the Blaze, and the entire thing that he says, like the very first line is, you need to come join my mug club because I don't have your emails because the Blaze has all your email addresses.
Blaze doesn't let up on me, yeah.
Right.
I mean, it's literally part of the contract.
It's part of the thing that happens with these guys is, you know, I come in as the personality, but I'm the hired gun.
Steven Crowder has never been an independent producer.
He's always been.
A hired gun kind of coming out and doing his thing.
Now, he has more creative control over his content because he like employs all his own people and does his own production.
This is something that kind of becomes an issue kind of later down the line here.
But Steven Crowder has never been like an independent producer in the way that, you know, like, you know, you know, like the Daily Show has always been independently produced.
You know, for whatever else we say about it, and I will say, I have and will continue to say, it is horrifying.
Don't get me wrong.
It's never been, like, owned by a media company.
And when you listen to these guys long enough, they will slip that, like, back in 2016, we got, like, offers to, like, come in and join some of these guys.
But there were certain things we weren't going to be allowed to say anymore.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, guess what?
Guess what that means, you know?
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, we know those guys and integrity is everything to them.
Exactly, exactly, exactly.
So, but yeah, so, so our Code Open is pointing out that, like, before any of this kind of bullshit between Steven Crowder and The Daily Wire happened, He was already pushing this, woe is me, I don't have my email addresses anymore, I need you to go and send me your email address.
Now, I went on to thebigcon.com and put in my email address, just wondering, is there more content here?
Is there something else I can look at?
No.
The only thing it does is I put in my email address, it says, thank you for joining!
At the free level, and then it links you back to the main page, and then suddenly I get like a weekly email from Steven Crowder saying, we're gonna be opening up subscriptions soon, et cetera, et cetera.
Like that's all this whole thing is.
And so this is, you know, Steven Crowder being, it is just him trying to get money off of his Mug Club members.
That is, whenever every bit of Steven Crowder complaining about like, Ideologically, how he's like differentiating himself from the big con, none of that is at all true.
That is, it is completely, he needs to get his Mug Club memberships back so he can make money.
And to be clear, the Mug Club is like, I think it's $60 a year or something like that.
It's like $5 a month or something.
I forget the exact number, but You might think, like, being a Mug Club member means, like, I bought a mug, you know, and now I have a mug that's in my house that I spent $20 on a mug and now I'm a Mug Club member.
No, no.
You can't buy the mug.
You have to join the Mug Club and pay the $60 a month and they'll send you a mug.
They'll send you the mug, don't get me wrong.
You can get the mug, but you can't just buy the mug, because there's a part of it that's like, if I could spend, like, ten bucks and get a Stephen Crowder mug, that would be an interesting thing to have in my house.
I would have to join the mug club, and I'm not going to join the mug club.
So, anyway, I know you also- It'd be an interesting conversation piece when you have visitors.
It'll go right next to my copy of Mein Kampf and my copy of Culture Critique and you know, all the other, you know, you do end up, you do kind of collect the detritus of these guys as you kind of move around in this space.
And it's like, I assume a crown rug would actually be something like, I would put it on my shelf, you know, next to, next to that.
That's where it would go.
You know, I would never drink coffee out of it, but you know, maybe hemlock, maybe hemlock.
Yeah, if it really got to it, yeah.
Yeah, so in case you, dear listener, are not sad enough, like me, to have been following this, to follow the controversies between right-wing internet shitheads, and you don't know really what we're talking about, I'll see if I can get you up to speed.
So, as Daniel said, Crowder is working for The Blaze, which is, of course, Glenn Beck's right-wing propaganda media organisation, and his contract is ending.
Um, and the Daily Wire, which is Ben Shapiro's right-wing propaganda media organization, gets in touch, you know, they're in contact anyway, and proposes a deal.
It wasn't a contract, it was a proposal for a, you know, possible deal.
Uh, and it's a frankly staggering, uh, $50 million over four years, which is $12.5 million a year.
Um, the only problem with this, you know, and it's absolutely, I mean, you'll be shocked when you hear this.
It's absolutely outrageous.
Um, Stephen Crowder's pay decreases if he gets kicked off or suspended from platforms.
He's already demonetized on YouTube, by the way.
But if he does something or says something that gets him suspended, he'll have to take a bit of a financial hit.
And that really amounts to nothing more than the Daily Wire saying that we share the risk, you know, of monetary losses.
You and I, Stephen Crowder, we have to share the risk a bit.
That's it.
That's a sponsorship boycott.
So that's saying, hey, liberals, boycotts work.
They work on our guys.
We'll punish them for you!
Steven Crowder turns it down.
He wants $30 million a year.
That's $120 million over five years.
And apparently, according to Jeremy Boring, who's the CEO of The Daily Wire, they actually thought about this for a couple of seconds.
This is interesting because this gets to the money issue.
But they kind of ask him, you know, what sort of audience can we expect you to bring with you?
He doesn't know.
He doesn't know how many Mug Club members he has because the place does all that for him.
But he makes wildly optimistic guesses and tells them as fact, oh, yeah, I'll be bringing in this many people with me with no real reason to come up with those numbers at all.
So the Daily Wire turned him down and he makes this video in which he complains about Big Con being in bed with big tech.
He doesn't name the Daily Wire initially.
And one of the funny things about this is that Jordan Peterson, who now works for the Daily Wire, doing this ridiculous show where he just sits in a chair and pontificates, and they back it with Game of Thrones-style music.
Jordan Peterson, before he realized that Steven Crowder was talking about the Daily Wire, he initially sort of came out in support of Steven Crowder, and he had to walk that back.
He had to delete his tweets or whatever it was.
So yeah, Jeremy Boring, the CEO of the Daily Wire, responds, and then Stephen Crowder calls him and tapes him.
And it sounds to me like he sort of tricks him into talking about, you know, young creators have to be wage slaves for a while, and then shears that out of context to make him sound bad.
Not that I'm defending the honour of anybody that works for the Daily Wire, you understand.
So all the Daily Wire people go on attack mode.
Candace Owens goes on Tim Pool and denounces him, calls him a socialist.
He's behaving like a socialist.
Big Tech is in bed with Big Con.
The people you thought, the people I thought, were fighting for you.
that works for the Daily Wire is now a slave to big tech. - Big tech is in bed with big con.
The people you thought, the people I thought, were fighting for you, a lot of it has been a big con.
Now, I'm specifically avoiding naming names or going after individuals in this video because I genuinely hope that those I'm addressing, and you know who you are, have a change of heart.
Please, don't make me have to provide receipts.
As Sam Seder on the Majority Report pointed out, one of the interesting ironies about this is that all these supposed libertarians and boosters of capitalism, they apparently do understand that it is possible for employment contracts to be exploitative.
Do not, kids, under any circumstances, sign a contract with people who claim to be conservative, but will penalize you 25% for any demonetization or sponsor boycott.
Of course, Stephen Crowder has the luxury of turning this contract down, which maybe you don't if you need to go and work at the butcher shop or whatever in order to survive.
Um, But you know, Stephen Crowder has, whether deliberately or not, he's touched a sore spot here.
He's raised the issue of where the money comes from.
Where do these organisations get these huge sums?
And it raises the spectre of megadonors, you know?
Billionaires who pay for propaganda.
And we know that the PragerU is hugely funded by the Wilkes Brothers.
We know the Wilkes Brothers fund other online right-wing media, the Koch Brothers, etc.
Because all this culture war stuff, the right-wing ideas, the pro-capitalism boosting online, they fund it so that people grow up to vote Republican and that's for the party that's going to work best for corporations.
So what's really going on here, of course, isn't that Big Con is in bed with Big Tech, it's that Big Con is a creature of big capital.
And that's really what Steven Crowder is unwittingly, or maybe wittingly, I don't know, Put out into the open, which is the root of this massive flap that they're in.
So yeah, I think that's like a really good summary of the sort of the crowder bits of this nonsense, which I think, again, is something that has been covered pretty well in other media and which is, you know, very deeply.
I mean, it's fascinating in one sense in that it really gives us a sense of kind of what's going on behind the scenes of these media companies and something that I think Um, also reveal some of this is this whole Elijah Schafer drama, which you and I have been covering off and on for the last, you know, what, a year now?
Um, and, uh, so since you stumbled across him, since I stumbled across him doing research on, on Kyle fucking Rittenhouse of all things, you know?
Yeah.
And immediately thought to yourself, this man is horrifying.
I must follow him.
I must spend many hours learning all I can learn about him.
And everything you learn about him, he is more and more awful.
We will listen to a little bit of Elijah Schafer here shortly.
But before we do that, What's kind of come to light?
The dulcet tones!
Before we do that, what's come to light in the time I've been prepping this episode is Sidney Watson, his former You Are Here co-host, sued him.
Well, sued The Blaze, technically, so did not sue him.
But he is named in the lawsuit.
I have put a link to the lawsuit in the show notes.
And she's essentially sued the Blades for an unhealthy work environment for sexual harassment in the workplace, those sorts of issues.
And details on some level, the kinds of harassment that she received on the set of You Are Here.
And in particular noted that, you know, Elijah Schaefer brought on guests like Nick Fuentes, who then spewed like, you know, overtly misogynistic bigotry.
And you shouldn't vote.
Right.
Which I do find it fascinating when these people fight, because they never fight over ideology.
It's never a question of, well, actually, all this horrifying right-wing agenda shit, I don't believe in that.
It's like, no, no, no, I do, but also he hates women, and therefore He's a little bit too overt in this hatred of women and therefore I can't be involved in this.
It's always the leopards, isn't it?
It's always the same old leopards, faces, dynamic thing that comes back over and over again.
Exactly, exactly.
So I guess, you know, asshole guys making the working environment, we were just talking about Jimmy Dore, you know, making everybody's working environment fucking horrible.
That's just pretty much a given, isn't it, throughout this entire industry.
It is just dudes being dudes.
You know, it doesn't seem to be a very common thing.
And that really connects the earlier segment of the Jimmy Dore segment to kind of what's going on here is that this is all about these kind of like media companies and, you know, the way that, you know, powerful men are allowed to behave.
That's sort of what's going on with Stephen Crowder.
That's definitely what's going on with Elijah Schaefer.
But I find it interesting that Crowder left the blaze right around the same time that the Elijah Schaefer This is within the same couple of months, right?
And I am not suggesting that Steven Crowder was physically or emotionally or sexually abusive to his staff or whatever.
That's not the point I'm trying to make.
The point I'm trying to make is that you do get a sense that there are things kind of bubbling underneath.
And when you listen to these people who are involved in these companies or have been, you know, sort of, you know, auxiliary involved in these companies, kind of talk about their experiences and talk about like, what really goes on behind the scenes at TPUSA conferences, which are apparently TPUSA conferences are absolute fuck fests.
It's actually hilarious to talk about.
Sorry, in what sense, fuckfests?
I mean, literally, fests are fuck?
All of the guests and all of the, you know, everybody behind the scenes, all of the people who attend the conferences, who are kind of up and coming, right-wing personalities, are all just sleeping together all the time.
Oh God!
Oh no!
Oh Jesus!
Did you really have to tell me that?
I'm gonna have to drill a hole in my skull and pour bleach in now.
I didn't even pull audio of this, but it is like one of those things that like you just like I've heard it from like multiple accounts at this point because as we're going to learn these people do like to go on to Twitter spaces and just start spilling the beans because they think nobody can record these things.
This is a This is this is kind of delightful because it's not that I'm recording them, but their fans record them and then put them up on YouTube where I can find them.
This is the same thing that happened with the Terragram people.
You know, it's like they would go to like extreme lengths to make sure that like nobody could get to their stuff.
Nobody could record it.
You know, it was very hard for anyone in separate with people with them in the know to be to be in the To listen, to be in the audience, and then one of their followers would just record it and then put it up on the internet.
Well, it's like with Nick Fuentes, isn't it?
You know, you didn't really have to do all that much research to find all the good Fuentes stuff, because one of his fans had made YouTube compilations of every bad thing he'd ever said and just put them there.
Big Fuentes fan compilations.
There it is.
Packaged for you.
Fuentes is so bad that multiple of his fans would put up these clips shows and these clips channels.
And then when the clips channels got deleted, they would just create new channels.
They're determined you should have these clips.
They're absolutely determined.
Just to give you a sense of what this is, there was a thread going around by someone who calls himself Patriot J. Now, I don't know who Patriot J is.
Apparently he's a writer for Breitbart.
It is weird to me.
It gets better and better.
It is weird to me that the longer I research this stuff and the more time I spend exploring these little worlds, the more of these little ancillary figures come out of the woodwork and then you click on them and they have 80,000 Twitter followers.
Yeah, I don't know that Patriot J has that many Twitter followers, but it's someone I'd never heard of, but apparently has been, you know, kind of involved in this for a while.
He's been, you know, again, he's been a writer for Breitbart.
He's a lawyer, at least self-described.
I mean, you know, so I'm just kind of taking him at his word.
But when this lawsuit dropped, he wrote a long thread about it.
I've linked it in the show notes.
And then, like, ostensibly like progressive, you know, people are like sharing this as, you know, sort of You know, like the source on it, which, you know, it is a good source.
I mean, I'm sharing it for a reason.
But sometimes, you know, sometimes you just don't have to hand it to them, right?
There is a, like, maybe you could summarize instead of retweeting.
But, you know, that's another issue.
So anyway, here's Patriot J talking about the lawsuit for 38 Seconds on the Killstream.
This is Ethan Ralph's Killstream.
And Ethan Ralph, I don't know.
People of good conscience can disagree on Ethan Ralph, but he's a Nazi.
He is definitely a Nazi.
In the sense of, there are people who I know and trust and care about who have had my back in the past.
Who are like, oh, he doesn't have an ideology.
He's just out there doing he's, he's a Holocaust denier.
He's, you know, he's a Nazi.
He hates Jews.
Like, I mean, you know, and he's, he's one of these kind of old school Gamergate guys.
We could do an episode on him, but then he would start to pay attention to me.
And I just don't want to live in that world where he's out of attention to me because he is absolutely disgusting.
And, you know, I just, I just don't, I just don't need, I just don't need him in my life.
Yeah.
So anyway, here's a little bit of Patriot J, and this is J, the letter J, just to be clear, and Ethan Ralph chatting about the Sidney Watson lawsuit.
Right, and maybe she waited to file the lawsuit to see if they would do anything because she does note the fact that he was ultimately terminated.
And then I believe she kind of alludes to the rumors that he was terminated because he sexually harassed another female employee at the Blaze.
So, she doesn't specifically state that it's true, but she kind of puts that in the fact as well.
Well, we know for a fact, because I broke that story, and that's Sarah Gonzalez, and that was reported in the Daily Beast, and by me, who was originally the one who broke the story.
And so, she's alleging a pattern of, which is how you get the money out of these companies.
It's not just one-off, it's a pattern of misconduct.
That's how you get paid.
Exactly.
Ethan Ralph is like, well, I dropped that story about Savannah Hernandez being sexually assaulted by Elijah Schafer, which I... This is coming back to me now.
It was a movie screening, wasn't it?
A movie screening of, you know, a movie that Elijah Schafer had produced, co-produced.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, I am still looking around for that movie, because I have not looked that hard for it.
I'm sure it's findable these days.
But one day, it was the second part of a documentary series, as they say.
But yeah, no, apparently at the screening, he at least allegedly... Well, whatever it's about, it obviously didn't hold Elijah's attention as much as it should have done.
As much as Sarah Gonzalez's breasts, apparently.
Because apparently he was fondling her chest during the screening.
And believe me, the humor that is in my voice is not because I think that is a funny topic so much as, you know, Elijah sort of holding up this kind of like Christian morality version of himself while like just sort of openly groping Exactly.
Yeah, exactly.
That's what we're laughing at.
Sexual assault isn't funny.
The fact that I know that Sarah Gonzalez was also the spicy Latina brought in on the episode of You're Here with Kyle Rittenhouse because Elijah Schafer knew that Kyle liked spicy Latina girls.
That just adds an extra level of vileness to this whole thing, you know?
And the level of misogyny that just pervaded that show.
It is something that, you know, it's something else that, you know, again, not to hand it to Ethan Ralph, but he does kind of talk about on that episode, it's like, yeah, everybody who has watched Anybody who watched your here knows that these allegations are 100% true.
There is absolutely no question in anybody's mind.
If you watch that show, you know exactly.
Yes.
No, this is this is absolutely correct.
Cindy Watson was deeply uncomfortable to be there.
She was mocked on camera and off by Alicia Schaffer and by the entire audience.
Every like, you know, every allegation in this lawsuit is 100% true.
And, you know, I don't want to hand it to her.
She is disgusting and awful in her own ways.
But I do hope she gets a nice fat paycheck out of the blaze for it.
Yes, indeed.
Yeah.
Anyway, so anyway, we've now sort of like talked a little bit about, you know, sort of the backstory of these of these losses of this of this, you know, Crowder leaving the blaze.
And we've kind of talked about, like, what is it?
You know, this is all about money for Crowder, right?
And this is all about, you know, trying to gain revenue for himself.
This is all about trying to gain his mug clip subscriber list.
This is all about growing his brand, possibly going independent, possibly looking for a, you know, a financial backer.
I don't know how much of this we need to actually include in the episode, but I feel like it's worth at least playing the clip of Jeremy Boring, who is, I think, the CEO of The Daily Wire.
Now, Crider didn't work for the Daily Wire, but the Daily Wire approached him with sort of an outline of a contract.
This is kind of a first offer to get you to the negotiating table and see if we can make a deal on this.
And no man has a more apt surname than Jeremy Boring.
He likes to make holes in wood, you mean?
Yes, indeed.
My favorite thing that I ran across while I was doing the prep for this episode is that Jeremy Boring, he has a company, he sells razors.
Jerry's Razors.
And the reason that he sells razors as one of his, you know, ancillary gigs is that the company Harry's Razors, which is a US based, I don't know if they kind of crossed the pond at all, but Harry's Razors are a razor company.
They sort of, you know, one of those kind of dollar shave club, you know, kind of knockoffs.
We can buy them in stores and everything, but, you know, it's a sort of a higher end brand razor company.
And they were advertising on the Daily Wire for a while until they realized that the content of the Daily Wire is completely disgusting and decided not to advertise anymore.
And so then Jeremy Boring created Jerry's Razors, which is like the actually manly razor company.
And I included a link in the show notes to an article about that.
And one of their ads, which is it needs to be seen to be believed.
It is the hyper macho to the point of, you know, They had an advertiser who sold razors.
After advertising with them, they suddenly realized what the Daily Wire was and cancelled their advertising.
who sold razors.
Those people realized what they suddenly, after advertising with them, they suddenly realized what the Daily Wire was and canceled their advertising.
So he thought, oh, we need razors advertised, obviously.
So I'll set up my own razor company, you know, like for chads, for proper right-wing chads, and advertise those on the Daily Wire.
I don't know that he's advertising on the Daily Wire, but there's definitely this like sense of like, oh, this is our new thing.
It's like, you know, you gotta shove it in the hands of the woke kind of thing, you know, like that's the whole process.
Well, I'm sure when Ben Shapiro starts to need to shave, he'll know where to go.
He has been growing this, like, something on his face lately.
And, you know, I don't like to make fun of people with terrible beards because that's never been a problem for me.
I've been shaving since I was 12 years old.
Like, you know, but that is a truly awful beard that Ben Shapiro is sporting these days.
Anyway, so I think it's time.
I think we should Get a hint because we're going to hear Nick Fuentes talk about this later.
And so I think it's worth kind of listening a little bit to, to Mr. Boring here.
Talk about the, talk about the nature of this contract and, you know, on the like basic terms of, you know, what is actually being alleged, like without there being, without the sort of angle of that, this is all just posturing on Crowder's part in terms of like, he's trying to make himself a victim, et cetera, et cetera.
If you were to just look at the merits here, Jeremy Boring is absolutely correct on everything that he has to say about this.
Again, he's a terrible human being, he's the CEO of the Daily Wire, but that doesn't make him wrong here.
No, he's right.
The thing in the proposal about, you know, we take some of the money back or however it works, you make a bit less money if you get yourself demonetised or banned or whatever.
As I said, that's just them saying this might happen.
We share that risk a bit.
That's all they're doing.
And the money that he was offered is insane.
It's an insane amount of money.
The amount he wanted is insanely more than an already insane amount.
Yeah, I mean, fuck the Daily Wire and everybody associated with it, but he's not wrong.
Apparently the initial offer was $50 million, which is over five years.
Four?
Four years, because it was $12.5 million a year.
And the one thing is his production budget comes out of that, because Crowder uses all his own people.
As opposed to using what the Daily Wire would provide in terms of their camera crew or whatever.
That's just how he's always done it.
That's how Crowder's always done it.
He works with his people.
That's a creative choice.
But his production budget would also come out of that, which does change the matter slightly, but it's still an ungodly sum of money.
And apparently Crowder was asking for $130 million.
130 million.
And I guarantee you that extra $80 million was not going to like camera crew salaries.
And you know, I've seen crowded stuff.
It does.
It's not a multi-million dollar budget show.
What he does does not take $12.5 million a year.
It just doesn't.
Right.
I mean, you've got like, kind of like the on-air talent, quote-unquote, you know, once you've got Crowder and then you've got like, usually they've got several kind of producers and, you know, kind of guests or, you know, major, you know, kind of regular co-hosts, etc.
And then you've got a camera crew and you've got a set and all of that costs money, but you're right.
This is not, you know, some, you know, this is not like so well produced that you can understand why it costs, you know, $12.5 million a year.
But it is, you know, it is, it is well produced.
It's just sort of one of those, like, you know, I think about like, you know, Friends of the show who also do kind of, you know, like, you know, web, you know, YouTube, YouTube videos.
I think about, you know, Sophie from Mars, who, you know, was on a recent episode.
And, you know, I'm imagining offering her, you know, twelve point five million dollars a year to produce her YouTube videos.
And, you know, her turning it down because, you know, no, I need that isn't enough money, you know, for not enough.
Damn you.
Yeah.
And if anything, her videos look better than anything that daily wires that were produced.
Anyway, so yeah, we're gonna listen to a little bit of Jeremy Boring here and- - Mr. Boring. - 50% of the money that he's making from advertisers is suddenly gone and we're not able to replace that revenue within 90 days.
Then his fee will be reduced by 25% until such time as the ad revenue has been restored for a period of 90 days And then it would all reset.
Stephen says, all the left does is boycott our advertisers.
So this just says to the left, your boycotts work and we'll enforce it for you.
We will punish the content creator for you.
But this isn't about punishing the content creator.
This is about if the Daily Wire is going to leverage, I can't say, I can't stress it, Probably a hundred million dollars by the time you have marketing, infrastructure costs, by the time you pay for all the legal compliance, all the technology that it takes to support Stephen Show and Stephen Show, even at the price that we offered for it, which he would have wanted much more.
At least a hundred million dollars.
Obviously, if the show makes dramatically less money, Well, then Stephen has to make less money, because we're making less money.
And I brought this up to Stephen on the phone, and I said, Stephen, if we guarantee you $1, $1 for your show, and the show makes $1 in ad revenue and $1 in subscription revenue, then how does the money work?
Well, it works that $2 come in, you get your guaranteed dollar, we get a dollar.
What do you do with your dollar?
Well, you produce your show, And you pay yourself.
What do we do with our dollar?
Well, we market your show, provide all the back-end infrastructure, pay for the 250-plus humans who work to make all of this continue to grow.
By the way, we don't pay for one single person more than we need.
All of this talk about YouTube regulations and how restricted content is, really, I mentioned something from Mars.
And I've been in contact with YouTube creators over the course of the time making this podcast.
And I've been listening to YouTube creators and such even longer.
and And...
Any discussion of like, you know, the daily, like, if you go to Facebook and, you know, look at their, like, top 10 stories that are, like, shared every week, like, 7 out of the 10 are these, like, kind of right-wing media conglomerates, you know?
The Daily Wire has, like, 4 out of the 10 by themselves.
The Blaze has, like, another 2.
And then, you know, Newsmax or ANN or whatever.
Like, these are not, like, restricted channels at all in that sense.
They get massive media production.
And what Boring is really talking about there is maintaining their good relationship with YouTube.
It's maintaining that, you know, look, Steven Crowder, working for the Blaze, got away with a ton of shit.
Like, a ton of shit.
That our left-wing friends who make this kind of content would never ever get away with.
And to pretend that they're the ones who are censored because YouTube pushes back very slightly on the worst forms of bigotry is Yeah, it's just rich.
And I did want to just include this bit.
Now, these guys are not fascists in the slightest.
I hate bringing them into this, but this is a funny moment.
So one of the things that I do when I'm not following these terrible people, I've gotten deeply into, and this is embarrassing for me to talk about, but I did want to include it here.
There's this YouTube show, it's actually a Nebula show that's also on YouTube, and it's called Jetlag the Game.
And it's these 20-something nerds who play reality show games where they travel around places and play little board games with them.
One of their seasons was they traveled across Europe and played tag, chasing each other on trains effectively.
And it's a lot of fun.
It's a great little thing.
It's like, it's been like one of the little joys of like me getting to watch YouTube.
And in the middle of one of their other like Nebula after show from season three, one of the co-hosts talked about like how tough it was to record the season.
And I, I want to just play this little clip.
It's, It's very short, but I want to play this little clip to get a sense of what professional YouTubers actually worry about in terms of what they're willing to share on air on YouTube.
So let's just play this real quick.
And again, I apologize, but I do want to highlight the absurdity of what Steven Crowder is actually complaining about here.
By the end, I was like, my whole body... I mean, I won't... I don't know, it's like nebula.
Can I get into it?
I had these horrible lesions.
You had lesions?
Yeah, it was terrible.
Should we put up a photo of it?
Yeah, yeah.
Lesions?
Where?
Hang on, hang on.
When you say lesions... Lesions?
Like...
I'm trying to think of a, like, a polite way to describe this.
Like, the inside of my thighs were, like, there was, like, blood.
Oh my God!
So you had some serious chafing.
Yeah.
You need to wear, like, compression shorts or something.
Yeah, well, so I learned a lot.
But basically, it was, if we have to cut to just now, because that's not acceptable, what I just said.
It was, it was, it was a brutal season.
My whole body hurt.
Ben Doyle, like, professional writer on YouTube, and now a professional YouTuber, ran around Europe for three days and got, like, serious chafing on the inside of his thighs and didn't want to describe that in too harsh of words for fear that, you know, there would be some algorithmic, you know, structuring that was going to, like, fault the channel.
On the other hand, Steven Crowder will, like, Redo the George Floyd murder and pretend that it wasn't as bad as it could have been.
And we'll literally do Chinese caricatures and we'll call people the 600 F word openly on the channel.
That's the difference in terms of this thing.
And that's why, again, it's a silly thing.
I just wanted to include it.
I wanted to just give some perspective on this because Whenever these right-wing dipshits start talking about this, they start talking about how they've been censored, etc.
There's never a sense of like, well, what is that?
You know, everybody on YouTube complains about being suffering from the YouTube algorithm.
This is like the nature of what you do.
And it is to the You know, the deep discredit of YouTube and to like the relationship that YouTube has with these like major media companies that they don't get demonetized even more.
You know, they get away with huge amounts of this bullshit.
And so, you know, sorry to make you listen to the word lesion 500 times, but I thought that was, when I watched that, that was very funny to me.
You already mentioned the concept of people at TPUSA conferences having sex with each other.
Lesions, you know, it's nothing compared to that, so don't worry about it.
Bleeding lesions is, you know, it's a refresher.
Compared to, you know, TPUSA personalities, you know, finger banging each other on the desks in hotel rooms.
I should go find that clip and just put it right here.
Anyway, so that is the end of talking about TPUSA, you know, shenanigans, and Ben Doyle's legions.
Legions, excuse me.
Because now it's time, we gotta do a little bit of Elijah Schafer here, you know, because Okay.
Elijah Schafer recently was fired from The Blaze, now he is independent.
I have been following his content pretty attentively.
I mean, I don't watch every episode of Slightly Offensive, but I watch a number of them.
I try to at least tune into a little bit of each one.
He is largely now, instead of having Sidney Watson as his co-host, who is, you know, a You know, giving her credit.
She is knowledgeable about the issues of the day, at least in the sense of like enough to kind of get away with being conservative, pundit, etc.
And, you know, has some kind of media training and is, you know, she has her own, you know, show and she's doing her own things right now.
Instead, he is now hanging out with his wife.
Who does not give a single solitary shit about any of this and is very open about that and will just sit while Elijah Schaefer is talking on stream about like whatever bullshit thing that is going through his head and she will literally just be sitting and flicking through the memes that the chat is sharing into their private channel.
And just like mirror mirroring their, their off air dynamic.
No doubt.
You know, he just talks and talks and she just sits there looking at her phone.
Yeah.
And it's also one of those things to where like, and I really like, I shared this privately with some people, you know, Alexa Schaefer's wife, Kenzie looks very similar to Cindy Watson.
In the sense that they are both very slender, brunette women from Australia.
In certain photos, you could actually confuse them to one another.
I shared them You know, kind of a side-by-side photo and send it to somebody.
And they did not immediately realize it was two different women.
Like, they don't look that much alike if you, you know, if you kind of know, if you, if you're like poised for it.
So I'm not trying to overstate this, but it really felt like, that felt like a really creepy moment for me.
You know, when I saw, you know, when I saw Elijah Schaffer's wife for the first time.
So anyway, But she knows enough that there are certain things that she's not allowed to talk about on stream.
And so guess where we're going?
Guess where we're going?
Anyway, this is Elijah Schaffer kind of trying to explain.
He literally spends 20 minutes trying to explain the situation from his perspective as someone who's been in these media companies.
And again, she does not care about the details of like Stephen Crowder's, you know, of the deal that Stephen Crowder was offered by the Daily Wire.
It could she could not give any fewer shits about it and just sort of like sits and stares at him until he finally gets to the goddamn point.
And this is when he kind of starts to get to the goddamn point.
So here we go.
You know, when it's like Jeremy Boring, he's mentioning Tyler Cardin, who's a great guy, and then he's mentioning Steven Crowder, who's a great guy, and you start hearing people that you know to be good people that are honest, that just try to do their best.
We're all flawed.
It's like a hard thing to really take sides because you realize that I don't want to slap right.
I don't want to punch right.
I'm not into that anymore.
And I'm not I'm not petty against right wing people because I don't, I just don't hold onto grudges and I don't do that kind of stuff.
And I don't think that's what's going on here.
So anybody who's got hate in their heart, that's just like, yeah, Jew wire or whatever.
It's like, okay, save that shit.
Well, I don't care.
And then anyone who's just like, you know, Oh, Staley wires knows what they're doing.
And Steven Crowder's just jealous.
Like, fuck you too.
You know, you guys are all.
You're gay and and you're fake and why don't you actually be a real person for a moment and realize the reason why we got to talk about This is because Steven Crowder made some serious accusations against an unknown de facto group There is a group there's certain media groups that are run by certain types of people that love litigation and contract Kanye West talked about that At one point in his life, but he got canceled for it.
So we'll stay off that for the remainder of this conversation Who is they who is they who is they baby?
I Can't answer that question Well, we get into today's story I Words cannot express my disdain.
I'm sorry.
Not the first time we played Elijah Schaffer and his wife on the show talking about how they're not allowed to talk about Jews.
This is kind of where this episode is going.
The level of anti-Semitism that used to be reserved for the people that I follow is now absolutely bubbling under the surface of these major media companies.
This is the thing that when they say there are certain things I'm not allowed to talk about in my contract, they will hide behind, well, we're not allowed to talk about anti-vax stuff.
We're not allowed to talk about that kind of thing.
That gets demonetized by YouTube.
That's not really the thing that they're talking about that they're not allowed to say, is that their audience They're particularly their young audience who are sitting there in the chats and pressuring them, want them to mock Jews.
You notice that, you know, the day like the Jew wire or whatever it's called was, you know, Elijah Schaeffer used that.
That is, he uses that.
Not because he's saying that, to be clear, but because his audience is saying that.
And Elisha Schaffer would maybe like to go work for The Wire at some point, you know what I mean?
And so he can't just kind of go out And, you know, be as open about this as he would like to be, but it's a signal for what the audience is expecting from these guys, you know, and everyone in this conversation knows that, you know, there is no way that Jeremy Boring and Steven Crowder and all of his crew and all the people at the Daily Wire, up to and including Ben Shapiro,
You know, there is no doubt that these people all understand that this is where the audience is going, and this is where the audience has been for a long time.
Every single one of the chats that you, like, if I play the live chat on one of these shows, on Tim Pool's show, on any of these shows, it is, you know, all the way, like, it is constant.
This is not hidden, and the personalities themselves are people who have now come up Watching this stuff from like 2015, 2016, 2017.
And they are now the up and coming stars are now the people who believe this shit and who are having to hide it just a little bit more than they would like to.
And that is a really, really bad sign.
And that's what the rest of this episode is going to kind of be.
I don't know what to say except that that is a really powerful demonstration of the snowball, the dialectic at work and the snowball running down the hill and getting bigger and bigger as it rolls.
I regret to inform you, we've done our Elijah Schafer bit.
That's all the Elijah Schafer you get in this episode, don't worry.
Well, thank you.
Thank you.
That's all the Elijah Schaefer, you know, and regret to inform you that we have to take a step down.
We have to, we have to listen to some big fun to this now because okay.
Just that his own had his own opinion of what was going on.
And this is kind of like, really, that's, that's not like him.
What a lot of what Elijah Schaefer wasn't willing to say on his show.
Well, you know, um, Nick Fuentes, you know, he, he definitely was.
So, you know, well, that's his, that's his corner of the market, isn't it?
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
It would matter that the people that run the country believe in him or don't believe in him.
It's a, it's a funny concept.
He's talking about Jesus just by the way.
Isn't it?
People say, what does them being Jewish have to do with it?
They don't believe in God.
You think that that doesn't matter?
You think that that's arbitrary?
Of course it matters.
And of course they have different ways.
And of course they have different practices.
They reject Jesus Christ.
They worship the law.
They worship the ritual.
They worship their ethnicity.
Of course they have a perverse inversion of all the Christian morals.
And This is why you get this.
And frankly, it may sound like an exaggeration, but it does come down to things like this, where Crowder, who I'm not even the biggest fan of, comes forward and very honestly says, look, how are you going to have an opposition to this satanic system if you're literally in bed with it?
And Shapiro comes back with what?
Conceit, arrogance, Well, maybe you're not smart enough to understand it, but we're offering you, you're insulting someone offering you 50 million dollars.
What are you, Lucifer?
What are you, the devil?
That sounds like the devil to me.
That sounds like the scorned demon, is what that sounds like.
You didn't take the offer from Satan.
And he says, I could give you the world!
That sounds like the devil trying to tempt Jesus.
Not saying that Crowder's like Jesus, obviously.
But saying that attitude, You know, you stupid goy, I'm offering you $50 million, you should be grateful.
Really?
And it's the whole crew.
Jeremy Boring says, you can't just say we're gonna pay $50 million even if your show doesn't bring in any money.
Adding, and he says, $50 million minus 25% is not a punishment by any standard of any human being.
So it's just all about the fucking money then.
You're not even worth $50,000,000.
You can't live off $50,000,000 minus 25%?
Really?
Lots to say about this.
So he's managed to turn a situation where Steven Crowder is offered, you know, Steven Crowder comes back from an offer for $50,000,000.
He says, no, that's not enough.
I want $130,000,000.
And he's managed to turn that into The greedy, evil, money-obsessed Jew doesn't understand why anybody would turn down a large amount of money.
Look, that's a huge amount of money.
I, as an evil, greedy Jew, don't understand anything.
We don't understand principles.
We don't understand morality.
We don't understand spirituality.
We have none of these Christian virtues.
Everything is money to us, so I have no ability to comprehend how and why you could possibly turn down that amount of money.
So this story isn't about the greed or the cynicism of Steven Crowder.
This is about the inhuman, money-obsessed... This is about how Ben Shapiro is a fucking Gringotts goblin.
That's what he's done with that story.
Exactly.
And this is kind of like what Crowder was kind of trying to say in some of the earlier clips that we... Yes, this is why I feel kind of foolish, because when I was doing the thing earlier, the sort of the praise-y of the whole thing, I nearly said something like, and there is, you know, if you think about it, there's an anti-Semitic hint in here, there's a tinge to some of what Crowder's saying, and of course now here we are in the episode, and it's, yeah.
Yeah.
More than a hint, you know?
Yeah, no, no.
Stephen Crowder wants to talk about how the filthy Jews are robbing him of $80 million, right?
And he's using this, you know, this fig leaf of, you know, like, Freedom of his journalistic integrity for being willing to, you know, kind of go out there and stopping the big con.
He's using that as a way of pretending that that's not what he's, uh, does that want to the big con?
Um, he's, he's using that, this, this, this thing as a way of pretending is putting on his own virtue and pretending that this isn't about him not getting paid what he thinks he's worth and, and he's trying to, you know, kind of pull more revenue out of this thing himself.
And you get a tinge of Fuentes himself thinking about how the media career he was very likely offered.
People forget this, but his first job was as I think he was 17 years old.
He had this little show for the Right Side Broadcasting Network.
This is a smaller right-wing organization.
This is like the Bush leaks that feed people into these, you know, the daily wires and the blaze and that sort of thing.
For, you know, this is where you get your start.
You get your start in these young Republican clubs, you get your start in these, and you prove that you can, you know, draw an audience and that you can produce the content and you work your way up.
And You know, Fuentes, for whatever reason, whether whatever you think he believes or doesn't believe or whatever you think was kind of going on behind the scenes, he was very likely offered a position like this.
And when he attended Unite the Right and when it kind of was revealed that he had to Unite the Right, that seems to be kind of the moment in which he was not able to pursue these kinds of jobs anymore.
And because he was, you know, he was optically bad and then suddenly had to kind of throw in his lot with the more kind of explicit white nationalist types.
This is also, in that clip, this is much more overt than you're kind of used to seeing Fontes be, doing these sort of like the stereotypical kind of like Brooklyn, the broad Brooklyn Jew accent, etc.
That's something that Nick Fontes usually does not do, and that's something that is like Absolutely pervasive on the, you know, certainly in sort of the alt-right days of 2017 or so, like that was, it was just, it was so constant as to be like, it was, that's how you identified these people was them doing the, that stupid voice and Fuentes kind of doing a little bit of that, you know, and using the word goy kind of openly.
That is, it's not like a full mask off moment or anything.
It's not like that, but it is, it is a little bit more extreme or a little bit more aggressive than Fuentes usually gets about this.
You think this kind of got to him, this story?
He saw the story of Crowder being horribly misused by this greedy Jew-run organization that's pretending to be conservative, but is actually in league with woke big tech, so it's all about the money for them.
They don't really have conservative principles.
And he saw some of his own tragedy mirrored in that, and that got him really invested.
No, definitely.
I mean, I think there's a very clear, you know, kind of through line here.
If you spent enough time kind of like following Fuentes and, you know, at length as opposed to just kind of watching the highlights, there is definitely a sense of, you know, Fuentes is trying to build the kind of network that will name the Geo effectively, that will do the noticing in public like that's that's what flint is is ultimately trying to build he's trying to build his own alternative daily wire because the daily wire wouldn't hire his stupid ass at this rate i can
i can almost see flint is and crowder hooking up together you know yeah no i mean i mean i don't think flint is could pay crowder's salary demands but you know you can definitely see it a few years from now for sure yeah you know i mean i think crowder is uh i think crowder is kind of jay-pilled
I mean, we talked a little bit about this in the back channel, you know, but Crowder's stance on anti-Semitism was always like this kind of, he professed to dislike it because it lumps the good Jews in with the bad ones, you know, which is itself, of course, an ancient anti-Semitic trope.
But then recently he did the, just after the Ye thing, the Ye West thing, he did that thing where he said, well, There are a disproportionate number of secular humanists with Jewish last names in banking and Hollywood, and that's a conversation we could have.
He did that fairly recently.
And that's, again, that's classic scapegoating, classic co-talking, and it's talking about, you know, their The Jews are these big, rich capitalists who degrade our culture through communism and debt and stuff like this, through Hollywood and debt.
And it leaves him the wiggle room where he can not offend potential or actual big donors or employers who might want him for his politics, who might themselves happen to be Jewish.
Like, for instance, The Blaze is co-owned by Mark Levin.
Now he's a far rightist.
He's a climate denier, conspiracy theorist, et cetera.
He's of Jewish origins.
So this is like the two-step he has to dance.
But I think maybe, I don't know whether it's just because the contract with The Blaze is coming up or what else is happening.
But I think Crowder is kind of, I think he's getting tired of that level of co-talking.
And definitely that's what leads to this very distinct insinuation in the whole thing about big con is in league with big tech.
You know, what Fuentes said openly about Ben Shapiro and The Daily Wire, I think Crowder was implying all that in his volley against The Daily Wire in the first place.
list.
No, absolutely.
I 100% agree with that.
And I mean, that's kind of why I saw that and saw the kind of the far-right response to it, the further than far-right, you know?
Assuming Crowder is like your measuring point, there's still like a far-right compared to Crowder, right?
Oh, yeah.
Not to deny that Crowder is himself far-right, of course.
But that might be where he sees his career trajectory going, into that kind of big budget, mainstreamed version of conservative media, you know, basically what he does now, but with the Fuentes level of frankness about what they actually think.
Maybe even with Fuentes in tow, who the hell knows at this point?
I mean, the one thing that we're not kind of talking about here that we may do a kind of a follow-up episode here is TRS and the NJP and the Daily Shoah.
And it is very clear that, you know, Crowder knows exactly who those guys are, and they have constantly been fighting over the same audience, right?
There's a gag that's been going on since 2016, at least 2016, on the Daily Show, in which whenever they talk about Crowder, they talk about how extreme far right that guy is.
You know, when to them, he's the ultimate cookboy, because he's not talking about the Jews, because he goes right up to the end, he goes right up to the thing, but he won't talk about Jews.
And therefore, his work is completely meaningless for them, right?
There is, there is, you know, they won't, you know, Crowder will not talk about this in public.
I mean, if he goes, if he goes independent, if he actually goes independent and, you know, then you may very well see, you know, more of that, more and more of him, you know, really kind of calling out those, those extreme far right people.
And, That would be a very, very interesting development.
Let's just put it that way.
One more thing I do want to highlight about that clip, just before we move on to the other Nick Fuentes clip I have, which is just the continuation of this one, but I did want to just highlight this is that something that I've talked about before about Nick Fuentes is that whenever he talks about, quote unquote, the Jews or Jewish people, He always frames it as a religious objection, as opposed to the Kevin McDonald ethnic, racial thing.
He never talks about the Jews as a racial group and that they are born through a genetic imperative or whatever to do these things.
It's always a religious values kind of thing.
And that's how he manages to keep people like Lauren Loomer Or Milo Yiannopoulos, kind of in his circle, basically.
That's how he avoids being kind of lumped in with, you know, the worst of the worst, is because he keeps that, like, finest layer of distinction there.
Now, I think it's a distinction without a difference, ultimately, but it is worth highlighting that Nick Fuentes will never talk about, will never invite, like, Kevin MacDonald onto his show or that sort of thing.
He's never going to go that far with it.
It's always going to be about, The religious values.
And that's, again, one of those fig leafs that these guys use this sort of like trad cat mentality, this Christian nationalist mentality as a way of covering over the more overtly racial antisemitism by pretending it's all about religion.
You know, and I think that that's that is that is worth pointing out when we kind of talk about Nick Fuentes in particular, is that, you know, that's one of the ways that he maintains that slight attempt of mainstream credibility.
Whereas I think if he was kind of openly talking about, like, Candace Owens says it's a bitch move.
You know it's a bitch move?
Working for Ben Shapiro.
parasites.
I think even some of the people who support him in principle would treat him like the hot potato he is.
Candace Owens says it's a bitch move.
You know, it's a bitch move working for Ben Shapiro.
Sorry.
And, you know, I talked to Candace Owens and I had like a good conversation with her when all the yay stuff was going on and everything, you know, and I do like her for what it's worth.
but That's not right for her to say that.
It's not a bitch.
I don't know what she means when she says it's a bitch move and to bring up, oh, there were allegations about you.
We're going to meet to him now.
Contract dispute.
Now it's a me too thing.
And this is the thing about Jews, they're unscrupulous.
Unscrupulous, amoral, there's no charity, there's no give, there's no brotherhood, there's no semblance of treat others the way you want to be treated, treat others as though they were yourself, treat them like they're your brother, no aspect of that.
You go against their bottom line and they go for the jugular.
You're not even worth $50 million.
You don't even understand the contract.
We're offering you $50 million.
I thought we were your friend.
Well, you're a bitch.
People are accusing you of misconduct in the workplace.
You're not a self-made man.
You've always worked for somebody else.
Really?
These people are dirtbags.
And I'm glad this is happening because now people are seeing this is who they really are.
They're not good people.
They're not even trying to be good people.
They don't even know what it is to be a good person.
Because they're Jewish.
Because they don't believe in Jesus Christ.
You can't know what it is to be a good person.
You can't be a good person if your heart isn't open to Jesus Christ.
And that is not the case with these people, obviously.
Okay, can I ask a question?
Sure, go ahead.
Does he talk like that about every group that doesn't worship Jesus Christ?
Does he talk like that comparably about Muslims and atheists and Buddhists and anybody who just isn't a Christian?
I'm betting that he doesn't.
He is very overtly Christian and this weird version of Catholicism that he seems to practice.
He is very open about, you have to have God in your life in order to have this.
But no, I have never heard him talk about Buddhists or even Muslims.
You would expect An anti-Islam, you know, like hatred to manifest itself, you know, and, you know, you would expect that.
That's sort of like the old school racism, you know, that's the George W. Bush era, you know, racism is complaining about terror attacks or whatever.
In fact, most of these guys, and I could probably find you a clip of Fuentes saying something like this, respect, you know, respect Islam or they respect Muslims, quote unquote, because, well, in their societies, they actually treat women the way they're supposed to be treated.
And, you know, Yeah, you get a whole lot of that in these kinds of circles.
Which of course is not true.
Muslims as an all-inclusive group do not do that at all.
And of course it makes sense because they have a great deal of affinity with the people that run extreme reactionary Islamist societies, because they are essentially, in their own way, far-right, authoritarian, religious types.
You know, they're the same type.
So of course they feel kinship with them.
But yeah, it's obviously not about not having Jesus in your life.
It's about them being Jewish, and they hate Jews, and this thing about, well, they're mean and they're nasty and they don't have charity, all these things that, you know, obviously, you know, niceness and charity and kindness, all the things that we'd most associate with that gruesome little ghoul, Nick Fuentes, you know, they don't have that.
And the only reason is that they don't accept Jews.
No, no, no, no, no.
It's because they're Jews.
We all know it.
We all know that.
Even if you believe this stuff you're saying, it's a post-facto rationalization at best.
Right, right, exactly.
And ultimately it revolves around this sort of like this, this, they see like the media power elite, right?
They see this, this, these media structures and they notice Noticing is always the term that they use, you know, they've noticed that, you know, a whole bunch of the people that are not letting them say terrible things about Israel or about the Jews, are themselves have these kinds of last names.
And therefore, dot, dot, dot, this is the this is the thing, this shows you the power that they have, etc, etc.
And not looking at the overarching structure of the way that the advertising revenues work, etc.
I guarantee you, if Jeremy Boren could get advertisers on an openly anti-Semitic program, they would absolutely hire Nazis to be on their channels.
I hate to put it that way, but they're not saying you're not allowed to talk about this because we're the secret elite.
It's because we don't want to scare away advertisers and because you're making things a little bit too obvious by spewing literal Nazi rhetoric.
We like to file the serial numbers off of our Nazi rhetoric here.
We like to demonize trans people.
That's a much more acceptable form of bigotry.
Because, you know, people don't think about gas chambers when they think about being bigoted towards trans people.
Yeah.
You know, again, I hate that I'm laughing about this, but it's just so absurd.
It's absurd on every possible level.
And I hate that, like, I even have to explain this in so many words.
But like, this is like what's happening in this in this situation.
You know, there's just no way around it.
All right.
We're in the home stretch.
We're getting there.
We're getting there.
How are you doing right now, Jack?
How do you feel?
Well, it's always nice talking to you, Daniel.
Because we always have such fun talking about these light and happy things.
You always restore my faith in human life and things like that, and the future, and the essential goodness of the human soul.
So, yeah, it's great.
Great.
I'm glad you're doing great, because, you know, segue alert, we're now going to be playing a brief clip from a podcast that we have talked about previously, Friends of Nick Fuentes, another kind of up-and-coming independent production.
I'm doing great.
We might do a couple of these people, we might do like full episodes on, kind of, You know we've been talking or I've been thinking about kind of doing some prepping some like shorter episodes about some of these more minor figures just kind of like getting them out there because I do find some fascinating shit in here but they're not quite you know there's not quite enough material for a full episode all the time but uh this is um this is the show I'm doing great uh
And this just is an illustration of the way that this anti-Semitism is bubbling up from the talent and from the audience.
This is just a signal of what these people think is perfectly acceptable to say in public.
So this is a short clip, it's only about 59 seconds, but they're talking about some Twitter drama that they got into around Trans people and sort of the Drag Queen Story Hour stuff.
And the title of this episode is actually, Do LGBT Kids Exist?
And because the whole thing that, you know, that kind of comes up with these with the Drag Queen Story Hour is, you know, well, Kids, there are queer kids that exist who will be discovering their sexuality at the same age that everybody else discovers their sexuality, and they will discover it young.
And being exposed to the idea that these sorts of things exist is actually a way of making them feel comfortable with the adults that they will hopefully become in just a few years.
And so, yes, queer kids exist, and they should be allowed to have access to materials that reflect their feelings, right?
And then the answer to this is like, well, gay kids don't exist because straight kids, nobody, nobody, nobody has any sexuality until they're of age, of course, you know, which is completely absurd.
Like I would love to be, I would love to actually like drill down into the details on exactly when they think like sexuality, like when did you first having sexual affairs?
You know, when you know you're straight, you know, etc, etc.
So this is just a clip from that little thing in there.
They're getting into this like they get into this like Twitter debate with this guy with a sort of a makeup influencer, a gay makeup, a gay male makeup influencer, whose Twitter handle is Matt XIV or say Matt 14.
This is a lot, so hold on.
And you're not only sexualizing kids, but you're tossing them into this progressive umbrella of LGBT community that is very sexually inappropriate.
Yeah, so a very popular gay guy on Instagram saw this.
His name is MaddoxV.
I'm assuming it's Matt, what is it, 14?
-Medic Zvi.
-Medic Zvi.
-I'm assuming it's Matt, what is it, 14?
Guess it's the age of guys he likes maybe.
I don't know.
That is some vile shit right there.
That is some vile shit.
I did look this up.
It took me a little bit to find this because I didn't know this guy before.
I didn't know Matt14 before listening to this clip.
But I was curious.
It turns out that Matt, Matt 14, Matt Bernstein, Matt Bernstein is his name.
He is now 21 and he started his Instagram account when he was 14, which reminds you that Instagram has been around for seven years.
Which of course it has, but it just tells me what an old man I am.
I still see Instagram as the up-and-coming newbie, and it's like, oh no, it's been around for at least seven years.
It's like, oh right, yeah, no, that's a thing.
So that's why his handle is Matt14.
It's always been Matt14 because A lot of these guys, you know, they start, they start these things when they're kids and then they just kind of keep it up and then they become influencers.
And that's just the handle they go by because that's the handle they've always gone by.
This is not some subtle coded reference to wanting to fuck 14 year olds.
I mean, just, um, it's just the slimiest thing, right?
It's just the slimiest fucking thing to just like slide that in there like that.
Like, I just, I find it like, I shouldn't be, I mean, it's not that I'm offended by this because obviously I've seen worse and obviously I don't expect any better, but it is just, it's just like the level of like, Of just like going, maybe it's the come out age of guys he likes or something, and it's just, fuck to fuck you.
I mean, it's just, why even go there?
It could have been Matthew 14.
It could have been a biblical reference for all he knew, right?
I mean, you know, Matthew 14 is a famous chapter.
I actually, that was my immediate thought, was it's probably a reference to Matthew 14.
It's not, but it could have been a reference to Matthew 14, you know, like, anyway.
Anyway, we're not even to the bad part of this clip yet.
When the implications of pedophilic rape are not the bad parts of the clip.
That's just standard operating procedure for these guys these days.
It's all speculation, right?
I'm not making any sort of accusations or anything like that for legal purposes.
But I mean, He's a he they, which means that he's a he.
He's a singular person.
He's not two people, but he's a friendly queer Jew.
I mean, describe yourself in three words and then have somebody think of what that will look like.
And it is a little like sound that Gina makes there.
Mm hmm.
And they actually in the video clip, they like cut to like close ups of both of these guys, you know, sort of like making like, oh, interesting, fun, interesting.
Oh, he's Jewish.
Oh, that's interesting.
We can't really say anything about that in person, but we're definitely going to imply certain things even more overtly than we just implied that this guy likes to fuck kids, you know.
This is up on YouTube.
This is free to watch.
For all I know, it's monetized.
I have no idea.
But this is up on YouTube right now.
I put a link to it in the show notes.
It's right there if you want to go and view the whole thing and tell yourself that I did not take this out of context.
It's This is the up-and-coming crowd.
This is what Steven Crowder wants to be able to do on his much, much more monetized, much, much more professional, much, much larger audience show.
That's what's going on here.
That's what's going on.
Yeah, and it's very... I don't know about these people specifically, and obviously Fuentes.
Fuentes is ideologically anti-Semitic, no doubt about that whatsoever.
A hell of a lot of these people though, I feel like there isn't really...
There isn't really theory here, or ideology in that sense.
There's anti-Semitism, don't get me wrong, I'm not denying the anti-Semitism.
It is larded on thick, it is omnipresent, and it's disgusting.
But it's not ideological anti-Semitism in the same way as you were talking about.
What's his name?
Kevin MacDonald.
Kevin MacDonald, yeah.
And it's not, you know, like in classical fascism, right, there were Nazi party quote-unquote intellectuals who wrote books about why anti-Semitism was right and why the Jews were like this and why the Jews were like that and stuff like that.
I can't help feeling, you know, dreading that the next time these people are packing the cattle trucks, you know, a hell of a lot of them are not going to be doing it from even any sort of actual ideological conviction about Jewish people.
I mean, yeah, it doesn't make it better.
Again, don't misunderstand me.
But when they do it next time, they're going to be doing it for the same reason that it sounds like loads of these people are doing it when they make these sorts of remarks, which is that it's just a kind of code.
And a joke that you share between between yourselves to establish your mutual identity and your mutual credentials.
Because it's something that, you know, the society you live in supposedly tells you you're not allowed to say.
So you just pass it back and forth between each other, like a masonic handshake or something.
You know, somebody says somebody's Jewish and you pull up that face and you kind of go, And the person you're talking to does the same back to you, and you all know that you're on the same level, and you're in the same club, and you all know how funny you are, you know?
And it's gonna... If it goes where it ultimately always goes...
They're going to be filling the camps on the basis of this mindless fucking joke identity thing that most of them don't even have an actual racist theoretical rationale behind it.
It's going to be from this rampant immaturity that seems to be everywhere.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
Absolutely.
It is just so endemic to these spaces.
And these guys don't have to be intellectual Nazis.
They don't have to be intellectual anti-Semites.
They just have to follow the leader, as it were.
And there is also this question of how much How much the following the leader is ultimately a matter of like following the Like the group thing, you're following like the line of the day.
Because the other person that I wanted to highlight here is this, I'm going to say woman.
She is very young.
She is, I think, like 20, 24 or so.
And her name is Isabella Riley.
She has been on, you know, Elijah Schafer's show on a number of occasions.
She has her own thing.
I've been kind of low key working on like a full episode on her.
Especially in the last week or so.
But this is part of it.
This is, again, 36 seconds.
It's very brief.
This is part of one of her shows where she says, you know, a satanic feminist says a dead man can't rape.
And so she plays clips of this musical artist who is kind of using, like, overtly feminist, you know, kind of radfem, not TERFy, just, you know, kind of radical feminist, you know, ideology or, you know, Kind of imagery in her, in her music.
And you know, I don't have a dog in this fight.
Of course, I'm more on her side than Isabella Riley side, but on her little, in her, in part of her commentary, she starts talking about how women, what, what, what real women should be like.
And this is a common thing with Isabella Riley and worth it.
Let's just play this.
Maybe stop preaching to young impressionable women that empowerment is being a hoe and that telling guys they're not going to get with you because not that women have the power but women should have the only power that women should really have is waiting until marriage and waiting for their forever husband to actually give their bodies to because Women never feel good about being whores.
They just, I mean, they might lie to themselves and the world that they do, but they don't.
They want a man to just be monogamous with, and as human beings, especially women, we are by nature monogamous.
And if you're not, you're Jewish.
Jesus fucking Christ.
So, so the thing is that Isabella Riley, she's actually, we're going to reveal this in the next clip.
She recently got married to one of, one of Elijah Schaffer's former producers who looks like he's 12 years old.
He's, he's gotta be in his like early twenties, but you know, he, his name was Josiah Moody.
So she now goes by Isabella Moody or Isabella Riley Moody, you know, depending.
And So she recently got married, but I follow her on Twitter.
And on the recent little Patreon thing that we did with Ina, I talked about how recently my Twitter has been.
I suddenly start getting recommendations for a lot of e-girls.
And one of the ways that they drive engagement is by going like, Oh, I really wish I was giving head right now.
Or, you know, Oh, me or the PS5, you know, and then they post like a picture of themselves with the, with the video game console.
And it's, it's all very cute.
And it's very like, you know, it's like, it's trying to get engagement.
It's trying to get likes.
It's trying to get people to respond.
Like, Oh, I would take you over time, baby.
Or whatever that sort of thing.
Well, Isabel Riley is kind of that, but it's like, you know, if you've ever sucked a dick, you're a whore.
And if you've ever eaten food, you're fat.
It's a literal tweet.
And she does this kind of thing all the time, you know, it's just like poke, it's pushing the same button, but it's pushing it from like the opposite side is like, you know, if you show skin, then you're just a hoe.
And if you're a hoe, then no man's ever gonna want you and you women should just belong belong in the kitchen and that sort of thing.
It is.
Once you see the pattern, it is deeply, deeply hilarious just how much she wants you to have that kind of instant rage.
She wants you to tweet about her.
She wants us to talk about her.
Well, it worked.
It worked on me.
If that was the reaction she wanted, she got it.
She got it, for sure, for sure.
To give you a hint of kind of who Isabella Riley is, and to give you sort of a little bit of background.
I've got a pretty clear idea already, actually.
Well, again, as I've been prepping this episode, more and more of her has come out, and she kind of overtly was doing like a Heil Hitler thing.
She went on this guy Dalton Clodfelter's podcast.
Dalton Clodfelter, first of all, What a fucking name.
He's sort of the big guy who's going around to Florida universities doing the yay is right routine, where it's like, yay is right, prove me wrong.
Again, stealing the bit from Steven Crowder, but making it more overtly anti-Semitic, right?
Ha!
had alex jones on his show immediately after alex jones had yay on his show to let alex jones who is as good as a fucking nazi anyway justify having yay on his show so you know he did the distance here is already like as thin as a fucking pube you know And she goes on his show, and at the end of it, kind of does the ironic, like, Heil Hitler!
Heil Hitler!
Hee hee hee hee hee!
Tee hee hee!
And I didn't include that clip here.
What I did include, I had already had another clip from this space with this guy John Doyle.
John Doyle, again, personal friend with Elijah Schaefer, he has, I don't think he worked for the Blaze currently, but he's been on the Blaze, and sort of everyone who's been on the Blaze signs NDAs for certain shit.
I did eventually find like kind of a longer recording of this clip.
But, you know, in this clip, it's sort of like in the next clip, not the one we're about to listen, but it's John Doyle sort of talking about his differences with the America First movement and with Nick Fuentes.
Right.
But earlier in the Twitter space, Isabella Riley was just hanging out.
And I thought it was worth playing this little bit just to get a sense of like who Isabella O'Reilly is and how these guys think of her.
Ben, one of the platforms just opened up and it's like 7 p.m.
It's peak hours of the gym.
I gotta go.
Okay, see ya.
Yeah, on that note as well, I've been up since 5 a.m.
Got a show tomorrow.
Go watch it.
Oh wow, what a disappointment.
Jeez.
Alright.
Alright.
you i don't know if i could do it tonight and then you put my name in the twitter space title we got to do these earlier i literally wake up at 5 a.m your girl's got to get some ugly sleep going on jeez i know all right and my husband's telling me i need to get off and make him a sandwich listen to jd it's against my will all right thank you I'm really excited to be back.
Thank you, thank you.
Go put extra meat on the sandwich.
Alright.
I do.
I literally have to handle meat.
It's disgusting, but I do it for my husband.
Good night, everyone!
Oh my god, that's vile.
Okay.
That's like... That is... Oh my...
Hey look, Josiah converted her to Christianity.
So true, so true.
I mean, isn't that kind of like the Andrew Tate Islam conversion?
Is it real though, you know?
Um, he doesn't go to church.
He told me this.
What?
Yes he does, dude.
Dude, he literally says grace before meals.
Like, what are you talking about?
No, I'm saying he said, we don't even go to church.
We sit on the couch and talk to God.
He's probably trolling you, dude.
Josiah is a little troll.
I was with him, like, two weeks ago.
And everything that he asked of Isabella, she did instantly.
He was like, hey, can I get some water, babe?
And then Isabella was like, warm or cold?
And it was so funny.
I'm going to be honest, I don't know the names of everybody in that clip and I couldn't identify all those voices for you.
I knew Isabella Riley.
One of them is John Doyle and one of them is this guy who calls himself Nuance Bro.
All of these people will probably get little mini episodes at some point in the future, you know, particularly Doyle.
He's his own thing.
But, you know, this is the story of like, well, you know, A, They all know Josiah.
They all know Josiah Moody, who is, again, Isabel O'Reilly's new husband.
These people all kind of hang out together.
They're all friends, you know.
Josiah still has a job working behind the scenes as a producer on The Blaze, pushing buttons behind the scenes, doing the live shows and such.
And is apparently an up and coming, you know, kind of person in that industry.
And his wife is a fucking Nazi, hanging out with Nazis.
And these are all these are very friendly people.
And again, it tells you, like, you know, there is there is no sort of Ideological disagreement here.
This is all built around, you know, what we are and are not kind of allowed to say what we are comfortable saying in public.
Right.
But I did think it was interesting to kind of see that, like, she's just hanging out with these guys.
And then, like, well, you put my name in the space and I can't be here because I got to get up in the morning and make my own, make my own horrifyingly racist show.
God, there's definitely a Isabella Riley episode coming up very soon.
It's going to be very funny if the first woman who gets like a full, you know, episode of, I guess Lauren, I guess we did Lauren Southern, but you know, it's going to be very funny if, if she becomes like the first person to be like, you know, let's talk about Isabella Riley because she is so deeply disinteresting, but like in a fascinating way.
Anyway.
And this is where we're going to finish off today.
There's one more clip and it's from later in that same, in that same Twitter space.
And again, these guys really let it hang out in these Twitter spaces as if they could be recorded.
These guys who all have like media savvy, who all produce their own shows or mostly produce their own shows, mostly doing live streaming, who understand how OBS works and screen recorders work, you know, think that it's completely possible that anybody could be recording this and posting it.
To places where people like me can find them.
It's hilarious.
Well, it's interesting to me, because they either do think that, in which case they're incredibly stupid.
I mean, obviously they are incredibly stupid on politics, you know, but you'd have to be very, very silly not to realize.
The nothing you say on the internet is ever really private or lost, you know, not necessarily so.
Or really just the dance they do on the sort of public facing shows.
It really is just a performance.
It's not even about You know, it's not about any kind of plausible deniability, because I was just going to say, the actual stuff where they, as you say, they let it all hang out, it's not hard to find, it's not really hidden, you don't have to go on the dark web, it's right there, you know, but it's like this game of decorum that they have to play in certain venues, that's really all it is.
Yeah, it's like don't say it where Glenn Beck can hear you, basically.
All right.
Don't play it where Media Matters is going to put it on their page.
And that's only for Glenn Beck's PR anyway.
Glenn Beck isn't going to be ideologically offended by any of this.
First off, I want to say, John, congratulations on getting your Twitter back.
So I wanted to ask, this is kind of for Everybody, but I guess mainly specifically John.
So it seems like, especially at this point with the media and whatnot, Nick Fuentes and America First, you know, teaming up with Ye, it seems like Nick is our type of ideology's best path into the mainstream.
So do we think that it's good to just put aside our personal differences with him and accept that we need everybody we can get into this movement?
I think the premise of your question is actually perfectly inverted, because I'm not the one who instigates these type of conflicts, you know?
if you're familiar with Nick's show at all, he's been taking consistent shots of me for years and I've never reciprocated.
I've always been very friendly towards him.
I've done favors for him behind the scenes, helped him in any way I can.
And then recently things have sort of escalated, I think because there's a character named Beardson Beardley who was behaving ridiculously on a live stream.
And my good friend Nathaniel Abbott accurately described his behavior, which prompted Beardson to do like a three hour stream, viciously attacking him.
And then I hopped into one of these A-log streams and I, you know, told these guys I would put up like $10,000 if they fought or something, which amounted effectively to a declaration of war.
And you know, it is what it is.
And I tried to diffuse it because look, I, you know, I guess took a shot at Beardson.
So I DM him and I'm like, Hey man, I just wanted to be straight up with you, blah, blah, blah.
If that's being a pussy or whatever, But then Beardson wanted to go after me, and so the problem is, it's like, AF's greatest export at this point is basically drama.
And I'm tired of it, everybody else behind the scenes is pretty much tired of it, all of their allies, you know, whether it's Jake Lloyd, Patrick Casey, Jaden McNeil, I mean, all the guys behind the scenes you don't even know.
Like, you can literally view it as all of these people are just spiteful and retarded, and, like, you guys are the ones who are correct.
Or you can think that maybe there's something to be said about, like, I don't know, there's just 109 people, just we're done with them for whatever reason.
So, uh, I completely agree that if you want these ideas to be... That's an oddly specific, uh, you're definitely not referencing... Relax, relax, relax.
My point is simply, I've been of the opinion forever that if you want these ideas to be mainstream, then you need people in the mainstream talking about them.
And for this approach, I was called a Zio-shill-cuck-f**k-it-etc-etc by these people and I... So first of all...
The 109 meme is obviously a reference to the very prominent online meme of the number of countries the Jews have been kicked out of.
And so by using that to reference Nick Fuentes is that 109 people don't like the American first people, the American first people.
He's effectively calling Nick Fuentes a Jew.
He's saying Nick Fuentes is acting like a Jew in their parlance.
That's what he's saying.
And when his buddy there goes, that's a very specific number, it's like, relax, buddy.
Relax.
We all know what I'm saying.
We all know the reference I'm making.
Don't even go there.
Don't make a thing out of it.
make don't make a thing out of it also john door there is referencing like people who are like deep inside of like sort of the nick fuentes phenomenon going back to like 2017 2018 where Like, Beardson Beardley, you know, like, this is somebody who's been, like, a long-term commenter who became, like, a regular, like, contributor to America First, to Cozy TV.
Like, this, these are, these are, like, this is, like, a long-term You know, like you have to know, you don't have to know a lot about like, you know, Nick Fuentes to kind of know these people, but he's referencing Jane McNeil, Patrick Casey.
These are overtly anti-Semitic, overtly like alt-right figures.
Like that is, there is no question that who go back years and years and years, who go back to, you know, Patrick Casey, I believe he attended Unite the Right.
Like these are He's representing these people as, you know, sort of obvious figures that are, like, prominent within this thing.
And the whole question he's being asked here is, like, is the Groyper movement, is Nick Fuentes sort of, like, the best hope for getting our ideas into the mainstream?
And note that John Doe doesn't say, well, I disagree with Nick on certain things, and I don't actually, like, believe in all the things.
It's like, he answers the question.
As a question of optics, and as a question of the toxicity, the personal toxicity that Nick Fuentes has for the people around him, and not actually disagreeing with the merits of Nick Fuentes' various political and personal positions, right?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
The casualness with which they discuss this issue, the casualness with which these things are just stated, and the fact that these are people who have, like, John Doyle is not a major name on The Blaze or on The Daily Wire, but he is up and coming.
And these are the kinds of people, this is the talent pool that these media organizations are pulling from right now.
And this is the water in which all of these people swim now.
This kind of overt anti-Semitism, this is going to be completely mainstream in a couple of years at the outside.
That is pretty obvious at this point.
They're just going to be talking about this because they're going to have to.
And yeah, that's the world we live in.
What was being said on The Daily Show and by Andrew Anglin and by Richard Spencer, even to a lesser degree.
I mean, Richard Spencer was barely this overt.
In his anti-Semitism, as John Doe was just then, as Isabella Riley was just then.
He was anti-Semitic.
He is anti-Semitic.
Do not think I'm defending Richard Spencer, but like Richard Spencer is basically like his ideas are now with just mainstream within 22 year old, 24 year old, you know, up and coming political pundits, political activists, you know, on these.
He walked so they could run.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
And, you know, he got punched in the face that one time, so clearly nobody pays attention.
You know, he lost.
Yeah.
You know, that's the problem.
So, yeah, problem solved.
Got punched in the face.
That's all it took, apparently.
No.
Yeah.
So this is a depressing one, but I think worth talking about.
And don't worry, we are going to be talking more about these issues in future episodes because You would not believe the amount of material I had that I could have thrown into this.
I kind of threw like a handful of clips in here.
Oh my god.
It was, it was just once I started looking for, you know, like these guys going on to sort of mainstream-ish platforms and talking and using the word Jew as a derogatory term, like just as a generic derogatory, it was fucking everywhere.
It was, and it really, really is.
It really, really is, you know.
A lot of times you see, you know, it's like either, well, I'm Jewish and so therefore, you know, I can't be anti-Semitic or, you know, they call me a Jew and I'm like, well, I'm not a Jew.
I'm not, you know, like is, you know, accepting the premise, right?
Accepting the premise.
And that's, and that's just the, that's just where it goes.
I mean, you know, the, The overt thing that they're doing kind of in public right now is the anti-trans bigotry, but expect the anti-Semitism to come.
It's coming down the pike, and it's coming very quickly down the pike, for sure.
I looked up Matthew 14, actually.
It is, as you say, it's a famous chapter.
It feeds the 5,000 and walks on the water chapter.
It's the first time those stories are told in the New Testament, because Matthew is the first of the four Gospels in the New Testament.
Anyway, I found something I liked in the following chapter, actually, 15.
It would have been convenient if it had been in 14.
That would have been neat, but it wasn't.
It was in 15.
Thanks, the Bible.
But I like this, in Matthew 15, where Jesus is having an argument with the Pharisees, and he says, what goes into a man's mouth does not make him unclean, but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him unclean.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think that's right.
Yeah, no.
I think a hell of a lot of stuff comes out of a hell of a lot of mouths now that makes the people that say it unclean.
I cannot think of a better way to end this episode.
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