FREE Bonus Ep28 Rage Against the War Machine, with Amanda Moore
A bitesize bonus in which Jack chats with Amanda Moore - journalist and former undercover infiltrator of MAGA! - about the recent Rage Against the War Machine rally... actually a rally in support of Putin and Russian imperialism. Amanda attended - for research purposes obviously - and found herself amidst Jimmy Dore and Matthew Heimbach, Tulsi Gabbard and Caleb Maupin, the Larouchites, the Grayzoners, loads of nazis and a parade of Russian flags. Content Warnings Show Notes: Please consider donating to help us make the show and stay ad-free and independent. Patrons get exclusive access to at least one full extra episode a month plus all backer-only back-episodes. Daniel's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/danielharper Jack's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4196618 IDSG Twitter: https://twitter.com/idsgpod Daniel's Twitter: @danieleharper Jack's Twitter: @_Jack_Graham_ IDSG on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-dont-speak-german/id1449848509?ls=1 Episode Notes: Amanda on Twitter Amanda's report on the rally Amanda's Linktree
I'm Jack Graham, he/him, and in this podcast I talk to my friend Daniel Harper, also he/him, who spent years tracking the far right in their safe spaces.
In this show we talk about them, and about the wider reactionary forces feeding them and feeding off them.
Be warned, this is difficult subject matter.
Content warnings always apply.
And welcome everybody to I don't speak German episode.
Uh, whichever episode this is, I don't know.
It might, you know, it might come out, um, before, after the one we've just taped.
So welcome to whichever episode this is.
And I'm absolutely delighted to be able to welcome as Daniel isn't here, by the way, sorry about that.
But I am delighted to be able to welcome to the show, special guest, Amanda Moore.
Hi, Amanda.
Welcome to the show.
Thank you.
Hello.
Hello.
Now, I find it hard to imagine, actually, that anybody listens to this show and doesn't know who you are.
But just in case, maybe just introduce yourself a little bit.
Yeah, sure.
So I went undercover in the far right for about a year during the pandemic.
Which was, you know, that was an exciting time for me, and now I'm kind of, I guess, still in this world doing stuff like going to pro-Russia, anti-Ukraine rallies.
Yeah, absolutely.
I've been reading, actually, about your time undercover in the far right, and I'm, why do you not have a book out, or a book deal at least?
So, I mean, I can be like super honest with you.
I had set to have this like long form magazine piece come out and my book agent was like, you can't do that because they take rights.
And so I got rid of the agent.
And then I also pulled out of the magazine.
So I'm actually in the middle of finding a home for both the article and the book right now as we speak.
So there we go.
They both exist.
They just need to be published.
Good, good, absolutely.
I hope it happens, because yeah, as I say, I've been reading about your time as a sleeper agent within the far right, and yeah, reading the piece on Mother Jones, etc.
And yeah, fascinating, amazing story, with lots of appearances by all sorts of people that our listeners will know.
Oh yeah, all the best people.
All the best people, yeah.
We need the full lowdown on that at some point, so that'll be great when that happens.
Okay, so what you're actually coming on the show to talk about is the recent Rage Against the War Machine rally, which was held in Washington, D.C., and that's a notionally anti-war I suppose rally.
It looked more like a concert in many respects.
A gathering, shall we say.
So perhaps introduce that a little bit.
Talk a little bit about that.
Yeah.
So the rally, I mean, it was, I mean, the rally as it existed was a disaster, but I guess the lead up to it was kind of a disaster too.
You know, it's not, it was never a pro-peace or anti-war rally.
Kind of always been a very pro-Russia rally.
And, you know, I tend to agree that pro-peace, like, I mean, I feel like it's probably not great for Ukraine if we are not involved in any capacity in the war.
And so I, you know, I think that there's an argument to be made that maybe Even if it had been genuine, the outcome might end up being the same for Ukraine, which is possible.
But this was just overtly pro-Russia.
Russian flags waving around, speakers that are on Kremlin payroll, that make numerous appearances in RT, and people like Jackson Eagle who openly say that being pro-Russia is the only way to go.
Yeah, it was kind of, I mean, I can't pretend to have watched the whole thing, and obviously I wasn't there, but it was quite startling how openly pro-Russia it was.
There was a heavy element of just mask off about the whole thing.
As you say, Russian flags, I think I think that they were brought along by good old Caleb Maupin and his CPI, for which he, I think he's apologized for that and then also defended it.
So he's on form.
Yeah, yeah.
It was funny too, because Max Blumenthal, Greyzone, was the first speaker.
And while he's up there, you know, you could see the Russian flags behind him while he's talking, and the guy next to me just got super pissed.
He's like, ugh, why are they letting them wave these Russian flags around?
And I mean, this was a genuine, like, protester.
He was really there because he believed in the message, but he's like, it's bad optics.
And everyone around him was like, what's wrong with you?
You don't like Russia?
And it's like, oh my gosh, like, you can't even win the optics war here, guys.
Like, at least pretend to try.
Yeah, I'm an old anti-war marcher myself.
I was on the anti-war march in 2003 against the invasion of Iraq.
I've been on many demonstrations against war and it's horrible.
It genuinely is horrible to watch this cause that I've I've always associated myself with be hijacked, because I mean, it was always the accusation, you know, that, for instance, with the Iraq War one, you're defending Saddam, etc.
And I'm not defending the politics of the march organizers is absolutely perfect, but certainly I never saw or heard anything like that on the ground in the march from people.
Defending the regime of Saddam Hussein or defending the regime of Slobodan Milosevic or anything like that.
And yet here we are.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean it is, when you put it that way, I hadn't even thought of it like that.
This is literally like if somebody had been Walking around doing that, yeah.
And no shame, too, you know, over who they invited.
And no logical consistency, like people didn't have... I mean, there were plenty of people who were pro-war for other wars, so why are you against this war, exactly?
What's going on here, you know?
Yeah, that was one of the things that stuck out to me when I read your piece about the rally at your Substack, which was you made a point of mentioning that there was really no cohesiveness about the ideologies of the people there.
In fact, there's flat contradictions all over the place on fundamental things.
Yeah, you know, it was a really low energy rally.
I mean, just nobody around was enthused to do anything.
I think part of it was the setup was very poor.
They didn't have a stage.
They just had people kind of on the same level as us, but they took this huge space for, I don't know, I don't think it was even for press because press wasn't allowed super close either, but press was in the little cage.
And so you're basically looking up everybody's noses when they would talk, if you were one of the few people, you know, who could see them.
So I think dads didn't help.
And then the stage, like the screen for it was so small that you couldn't see that either.
And the sound wasn't that great.
So you have all these things that are, you know, working against them to begin with.
And then, you know, you've got people who are literally Nazis in the rally.
And then you've got like, I don't know, tourists or something walking by them.
And there's no cohesion in the arguments or the crowd.
And so I was with Molly Conger, and she pointed it out.
She's like, yeah, I think the reason this is so low energy is that there's no There's no cohesion.
There's not one person here who wants to cheer on two speakers in a row.
Nobody likes two speakers in a row.
Yeah, and it's amazing the slipshodness of the organization.
They were forcing the audience to stare into the sun, weren't they?
Yeah, they're just right into the sun.
I mean, a videographer I know was there and he's like, all of my shots, it's like right into the sun.
Why would they position us this way?
And it's, I don't know if they just didn't care or if they're just dumb.
I truly don't know.
There's no professionalism about it.
I mean, it does take a lot of knowledge and organisational skill to put together one of these things and it looks like nobody, you know, they weren't invested enough, they didn't really care and or they didn't have the They didn't have the expertise that they needed.
Because, I don't know, you know, making an actual protest or demonstration or whatever you want to call it, it doesn't really seem to have been the point.
And yet, you kind of look around in despair for what the point was.
Unless it was just to get this reported on RT and Sputnik and so on, with very misleading estimates about attendance.
Because it was very sparsely attended, wasn't it?
Yeah, I mean, I'm the worst person in the world to judge how many people are around.
I never have any idea.
But this was really empty.
And I have to think that part of the reason why they roped off so much space for the speakers was to give the impression there were more people there than there really were.
Because that's the only thing that kind of makes sense.
Cause it's like, oh, why is your photo, why you're so far back?
And it's like, oh, you probably weren't that far back.
You're probably eight rows of people back, but you're so far from the speakers that you look like, oh, it's a massive crowd.
Someone spliced in like January 6th footage or something with it.
Like absolutely wild stuff.
Yeah, they want all the photographs of the speakers to be from so far back so that it looks like they were taking the photographs from a massive crowd.
It seems to have been a certain amount of thought put into that, anyway.
The most important thing!
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Appearances.
And yet so much fundraising for this.
They raised a huge amount of money.
And I don't suppose we'll ever know where that money has gone because it didn't look to me like it went on the event at all.
It also didn't go to Ron Paul's hotel room because he took a photo with Tulsi Gabbard at the Holiday Inn, which is extraordinarily funny because it's very cheap.
It's not the closest by any means.
It wasn't a convenience thing.
If they stayed there, it was a money thing.
You guys made Ron Paul stay at a Holiday Inn and you bought a screen to show your speakers that's like five feet tall?
Where did this go?
Yeah, you get Ron Paul, the grandfather of the movement, and you force him to stay in the Holiday Inn.
It's a rank insult.
Yeah.
Yeah, so we had all sorts of people there.
As you've said, no real cohesion about who they were or what their viewpoints were, except that it's a pro-Russia march, so in some way or another, they're all pro-Russia.
Who did we have there?
We had Tulsi Gabbard, as you just said, Ron Paul.
We had Greyzone journalists, including Max Blumenthal.
And his wife, Anya.
Oh, she's his wife, is she?
Oh yeah, she's his wife.
Oh, right.
Okay.
I didn't know that.
And we had the LaRoucheites there.
The LaRoucheites were there.
Chris Hedges, Caleb Maupin, Jill Stein.
And of course, Jimmy Dore, the great Jimmy Dore, who had some mic problems, you were telling me.
Yeah, he had mic problems.
And I mean, like I said, the crowd was pretty small, so I heard every word he said, and he went on for like three and a half minutes.
And then, you know, he's telling his jokes.
He's a very funny guy, Jimmy Dore.
And I guess he was upset people weren't laughing.
He's got so many good, unique jokes.
You know, he's like, we could just give every homeless person in the US 7,000 fleece Blankets with the Ukraine flag on it instead of being in this war, which, okay.
Thanks, Jimmy.
That's a good one.
And then he realized his mic wasn't working.
So when his mic got fixed, he just like rewound and started over with the exact same jokes and the exact same cadence and the exact same pauses.
So he's a real professional.
Say what you will about Jimmy, but he's a performer.
Yeah, he's a trooper.
You wouldn't want anybody to miss searing material like that, would you?
No.
Yeah, Jimmy's brilliant material where he mentions the name of somebody he doesn't like, usually a woman, and then pulls a face.
Genius stuff, really.
So, yeah, and of course we also had Jackson Hinkle that was there, and you've just broken a story about old Jackson, haven't you?
Yeah, yeah.
I've been spending a lot of time thinking about Jackson Pinkle's love life lately.
That's really fun for me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It turns out he's been secretly dating the woman who won Miss Russia 2022.
That's his girlfriend.
She's been flying out to visit him.
They've been going on extraordinarily expensive vacations together.
So I guess he's really raking in the super chat money on YouTube.
Yeah, he's been bragging about his hot girlfriend online and in a stunning reversal of how these things usually work, she turns out to be real.
She was Miss Russia in Miss World and she was...
I mean, she's kind of interesting in herself because she went to be Miss Russia at the Miss World Contest in the course of all this stuff.
And she's been complaining about the other contestants shunning her and stuff like that.
And she's been wearing very, you know, some of the costumes she wore were very decidedly modeled on like, you know, czarist imperial clothing.
And then she's complaining that Miss Ukraine doesn't want to have photographs taken with her.
Which it looks like she was trying to do for propaganda purposes.
Yeah, imagine that.
I can't believe she would do that.
So yeah, Jackson Hinkle was there.
And who else did we have?
We had Matt Heimbach.
Yeah, he was there.
That was great.
It was really...
You know, I feel like if I went to speak at a rally and I really believed in peace and a guy who had organized Unite the Right was in the crowd and he was being welcomed, I would probably be like, hey, I'm not going to give my speech until someone makes him leave.
But, you know, I'm no Tulsi Gabbard.
What do I know?
Or Jimmy Dore, you know, always a trooper under any conditions.
Yeah, he was there waving a hammer and sickle flag, which is kind of bizarre, but I suppose that's just him trying to do his third position thing.
Yeah, yeah, his buddy had the Russian imperial flag, so they were covering all their bases.
Yeah, pre and post revolution.
It's just Russia they like.
And yeah, all the manga communism people.
And we had the guy that wrote the Oath Keepers anthem, Jordan Page, he was there.
So really a lovely bunch of people.
And of course, Scott Ritter.
Who, you know, I remember, as I say, from the old anti-Iraq war days, I remember Scott Ritter being somebody that we paid attention to, but not recently, because Scott Ritter, of course, has been caught several times trying to solicit sex from minors in internet chat rooms, hasn't he?
I think, actually, I think they dropped him, didn't they?
He didn't speak.
Yeah, they dropped him as a speaker.
And Anya made a point to say during her speech, she was very sad, couldn't share with stage with Scott Ritter, which is a choice.
That's something you can say.
You know, I wouldn't say that either, but okay.
But I think he was in the crowd.
I did not see him, but she suggested that he was.
And even if he wasn't in the crowd, he was definitely at the after party.
So he was still welcome.
Yeah.
So did you get to the after party?
No, I was going to go, but I, this is the worst rally I've ever been to in my life.
And I was at January 6th.
It was miserable.
At least January 6th was interesting.
There was stuff happening.
We were four hours, no shade, staring at the sun, no food, one guy selling water.
And he wasn't there for us.
He was there for the tourists.
He wasn't prepared.
No food.
I went and got a burger.
I was gonna go and I was just like, I'm so hungry.
I will be so mean to these people if I go.
And now I regret it.
I wish I would have gone because I saw, it looked like a really fun time.
Yeah.
Pedophiles, Nazis, just the best people representing the pro-peace movement.
Yeah, Bitcoin nutters and everything.
Yeah.
Yeah, what else?
We had the People's Party, they were there, and as I say, Caleb Maupin's CPI.
He's one of the people trying to explain the low turnout as being a result.
He's got a conspiracy theory, which shouldn't surprise anybody.
It's the left, you see.
The left have been scaring people off by telling people not to come to the rally.
So, obviously, we're engaging in good faith.
It's definitely not the pedophiles and Nazis.
It's not them.
They're not the problem.
It's the left.
Yeah, definitely.
So, what would you say was the highlight of the rally?
Man, there's just so many options.
I think there were these two protesters, and they were my highlight of the rally.
They were letting everybody know, you know, that there was a Nazi in the crowd who had helped organize Unite the Right, and they were also heckling Jimmy's comedy show.
That was good.
And then there was this live music performance that was I had to walk away from the speakers.
I was very hungover, so that might have been part of it, but also they were really bad and I was feeling physically ill.
So I had to go farther away.
That's how I found these protesters and they were heckling the musicians.
And so I really liked them.
They were very, very good at heckling.
As far as like actual rally stuff, like organized by the rally, I did like to see the That Ron Paul is still alive.
That was good, you know, because I actually really wasn't sure.
And now I know.
Yeah, the confirmed sighting.
He's still talking about the Fed.
That was what his whole speech was about.
Well, there was like a weird joke about artificial intelligence is something he saw every day when he worked in Congress.
And then he complained about the Fed until they took him off stage.
So that was good.
Yeah, it's always the Fed, isn't it, with Ron?
It's like, good morning.
Ah, well, we need to abolish the Fed.
At least, that joke, it doesn't really work, but it's still better than anything I've heard from Jimmy Dore.
You know what Jenny Dorr did that's really weird?
And I actually meant to message you about this before.
It's in the article I wrote, but he mentioned that in Las Vegas, the Black Panthers and KKK held hands in March and got Medicare welfare payments or something?
And everybody like lost their mind.
Like that was a moment where everybody was like, yeah!
And I'm like, oh, this is weird that we're applauding the KKK, but okay.
But also when I Googled that, it doesn't exist except for like one YouTube video.
So I don't know how Jimmy found out about this because I don't really know much.
The only thing I really know about Jimmy Dore is like from you.
So I don't know what his media consumption is like, but he definitely just told a bunch of people this probably fabricated story that he heard in one YouTube video one time, so that's great.
It's interesting that that got a big cheer.
That indicates something about the audience, that they're very into the idea of this red-brown coalition.
It does seem that way.
Yeah, I think Jimmy is probably thinking of something that he's talked about before, which is the... I mean, his version of it is that Fred Hampton and the Black Panthers teamed up with the Nazis, and it was a group called the Young Patriots.
You know, it was a classic sort of, in his telling, it's a classic left and right team up.
It's the old red-brown thing that he's constantly pushing.
Why don't the left and right unite against the elite and the globalists, etc.
And yeah, he's got a very, he's got a grotesquely inaccurate account of something that did actually happen with the Black Panthers teaming up with the Young Patriots, the Rainbow Coalition and all that.
But the way he tells it, it's like the Black Panthers just said, well, in the interest of unity against the elite, we will not worry about the fact that these people are nuts.
And it's not, it wasn't like that at all.
You know, the Young Patriots were not a Nazi group or a white supremacist group.
They had left that behind by then because the Black Panthers wouldn't have worked with them.
The onus was on the Young Patriots to shed those racist ideas before they could become part of a coalition.
But Jimmy, you know, that doesn't suit Jimmy's politics at all.
So it has to be just shed.
And there's also the fact that Jimmy doesn't really remember things, so you get a garbled version down the line.
Great, yeah.
That's good.
I'm glad he got his microphone to work.
It's important more people hear his rambles.
Yeah, absolutely.
You were telling me that you were flyered in the crowd.
Yeah, by this really great group of people.
Actually, the flyer here.
It's a very nice flyer.
It looks like it was designed maybe 30 years ago.
And it says, Where Bernie Meets Trump.
And New Frontier, beyond left and right.
And I saw that, and I thought, hmm, is there some kind of third position you want me to take?
And I opened it, and there's a picture of Huey Long right there to greet you.
And then I went on their social media, and they are very openly pro-third position.
So yeah, they were there, they were heading out.
I don't know why.
I don't know if they were handing it out to everybody, or if I just looked like I would be agreeable to this, but I was lucky enough to get a flyer.
They were searching the crowd for people that they thought would be receptive to third position politics, and they zeroed in on you.
Right.
These get the college volleyball team that had the misfortune of walking through the protest very confused looking.
So at least there's that.
Well, that tells you something about the size, you know, where a volleyball team can just wander through it.
And that's a notable thing.
Yeah.
So what do you think?
Do you think this is going to stop the war?
Do you think?
I mean, I don't really know.
Was there a sense of actual clear goals?
Was there a sense of anything that they specific that they wanted to accomplish?
Well, they probably didn't want to send Joe Biden to Ukraine the next day.
But now they say that's what they wanted, I guess.
I don't, I don't think so.
I mean, that was, that was the problem is that nobody had, because there was no cohesive message, you can't have, like, a united goal.
Because, you know, a lot of times rallies like this, especially if there's going to be media, they'll make signs and give signs out to people.
And they didn't do that, so the LaRoucheites got to, like, dominate because they had flyers and hoodies and all this stuff.
But yeah, I mean, as far as I know, I mean, it really seemed like the goal is just getting Ukraine to surrender.
I mean, that seems to be it.
Well, you know, somebody get footage of the rally to Zelensky, you know, because obviously he needs to see this.
Yeah, I'll miss Russia's boyfriend.
Well, if that doesn't persuade him, nothing will.
One of the things that really strikes me about this supposed anti-war movement with regards to Russia and Ukraine is kind of the way they hallucinate American involvement.
They constantly talk about this as if it's still 2003 and we're looking at an imminent American invasion, which of course is not, that's not happening.
It's, they're just hallucinating.
If they're living in the past, Scott Ritter hadn't been to prison yet.
So that would make some sense, actually, if everybody is just under some weird, like mind control, stuck, stuck 20 years ago.
There is, and I think that's part of the problem too, because, you know, like Jimmy Dore's joke about the blankets.
Instead of giving money to Ukraine, it was stupid, but he couldn't.
I mean, even if he wanted to be like, we could put everybody who doesn't have a house in a house in America, he can't say that because half the crowd doesn't want that, you know?
And so it's really like all you're arguing against.
It's like, there's money and it's going to Ukraine and I want it to go somewhere else.
There's no, you know, I'm not going to go fight this war.
I mean, okay, then don't.
Don't go.
You don't have to volunteer to go, you know, to Ukraine.
Nobody's asking you to do that.
Nobody wants you there.
Yeah, it really is.
There's no real goal or messaging about that.
That is in line with reality.
Yeah, absolutely.
There's a really good point you made about Jimmy Dore censoring himself, really, because he knows that portions of the crowd are not going to be into the idea of government providing housing for the unhoused.
It really shows that he knows the game that he's playing.
Oh, really?
That's interesting.
I mean, like I said, I don't follow Jimmy Dore at all, so I was like, man, I wonder if this guy would just say this, or if this is actually self-censoring.
And I know you know much more about him, so it's interesting to hear you say.
And I wonder how many of the other speakers that had any kind of left-leaning tendencies at all did the same thing, because, I mean, there were a handful of signs about stuff that we could use the money for.
But most of the signs weren't about the money and, like, that is literally what America is doing.
So all of the signs, most of the signs should have been about the money instead of just, like, pro-Russia bullshit or Larry Scheidt, you know, propaganda.
Yeah, and as you said, it really does reveal the actual priority here, which is to support Russia.
And that's tied in with the fact that Russia is now a deeply reactionary, authoritarian state.
I mean, I don't know if you technically call it a fascist state.
I mean, that's something you could debate.
But it's deeply authoritarian and deeply right-wing.
And of course, it's putting a lot of energy and resources into being At least one of the global hubs of this resurgence of far-right politics.
So I feel like this is very much about that, about supporting Russia in that sense.
Much more than it's about any actual, real objection to America's involvement in the war.
Because as you say, that's really just down to money and, of course, some armaments.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I guess I did see a handful of signs about like, you know, well, oh god, Tulsi Gabbard, her whole speech was about that.
Alarm that got sent out to people in Hawaii a few years ago, that was like, nuclear missiles are coming.
It was her whole speech.
And then she was like, I ran for president after that because, you know, it wasn't real, but it felt like it could be real.
And where does that, where are we at, you know, when that's how America is today?
And it's like, that doesn't make any sense.
And if you had said that on the debate stage, you would have been laughed off in the first round.
And it's just, I feel like the stretch most of these people are making to like, Mangle their position into something where they can be like, Oh, I'm very concerned about nuclear Holocaust or World War Three.
You know, it's not, they're really doing a lot of mental gymnastics to get there.
And, and I think having someone who's Lieutenant Colonel in the Army, like Dulce Gabbard is, speak is pretty disingenuous because she's very hawkish and supports a lot of organizations and policies that are very hawkish.
And so, yeah, I mean, it's just hard to take anyone seriously about World War III and nuclear holocaust imminent when you are, you know, giving credence to people who are in the military and letting them talk at your event.
Yeah, and again, it's boosting one of Putin's talking points.
Putin keeps on making these speeches where he attacks the West, and he keeps on suggesting that he might use nuclear weapons in the conflict, presumably in an attempt to deter the United States and anybody else from intervening in any way, and yet it's not It's not really very plausible that he would do that.
I mean, you know, Putin has a lot of his own ill-gotten resources tied up in Western banks, for instance.
But he puts the idea out there in an attempt to deter people.
And these people are are boosting and amplifying that claim.
They're trying to portray it as like America is bringing down a nuclear war.
And at the same time, sort of implying that if Russia did that, it would be fair enough.
You couldn't blame them.
Yeah, I mean, you know?
Yeah, this is why the rally was so low energy, because everybody's going through these mental gymnastics at a different path.
It's hard to keep up when you're there, and it's one after another.
Yeah, it sounds really weird.
It sounds like everybody's kind of going through the motions, and they all know that they're not actually doing the thing they're pretending to be doing.
So, I don't know, they just give random speeches, you know.
I've got to stand up and talk about something, so I'll talk about the accidental nuclear alert.
Yeah, yeah!
Why not?
The flood, why not?
Who cares?
It's whatever!
Okay.
Well, that was a great chat.
Thank you very much.
That was a lot of fun.
Thanks for coming on the show.
Yeah, thanks for having me.
And very welcome to come back anytime if you want to.
And I'd love to talk to you about your time undercover in the far right, so maybe we'll do that sometime.
Yeah.
Okay, so where can people find you online, just in case they don't already know?
So I've got that, but then I'm also going to CPAC next week to cover that, so that'll be fun.
Yeah, you're really specializing in weird events at the moment.
Yeah.
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