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May 24, 2021 - I Don't Speak German

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PREVIEW: Backer Bonus E5 Downfall

Become a backer of Daniel or Jack to get exclusive access to a new bonus episode about 2004's Downfall about Hitler's last days (it's the source of the YouTube 'Hitler gets angry' meme). Plus access to all other bonus episodes. Daniel's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/danielharper/posts Jack's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4196618&fan_landing=true Content Warnings. Podcast Notes: Please consider donating to help us make the show and stay independent. Patrons get exclusive access to one full extra episode a month. IDSG Twitter: https://twitter.com/idsgpod Daniel's Twitter: @danieleharper Jack's Twitter: @_Jack_Graham_ IDSG on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-dont-speak-german/id1449848509?ls=1 Show Notes: Downfall at Wikipedia Traudl Junge at Wikipedia Hitler Downfall Parody Memes Ian Kershaw on Downfall Does it help us to understand Hitler any better? My own feeling is that, brilliant though the portrayal is, it does not. It is hard to see how it could - or, indeed, what great enlightenment it would bring if we did know him better (whatever that means). Would we then have a clearer grasp of his hold over the German people, or why so many intelligent individuals in positions of authority were prepared to put his wishes into practice? At any rate, no amount of intuitive acting is likely to make him any more intelligible to audiences which cannot possibly enter his warped mentality. His life has been scrutinised as scarcely no one else’s, but an inner core is still unfathomable. Hitler will always remain in some senses an enigma. Christian Berkel at Wikipedia Bartender “Eric” in Inglourious Basterds, Ernst-Günther Schenck in Downfall. Alfred Zech at Wikipedia AP History 2019 Exam Questions Not even a mention of WWII. The Massaging of History by David Cesarani and Peter Longerich https://www.theguardian.com/film/2005/apr/07/germany.secondworldwar "The film Downfall relies on memoirs written by Hitler's allies to distance themselves from Nazism"

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	IDSG bonus episodes are a regular extra just for Patreon backers of myself or Daniel.
	Here's a preview of the new one.
	By continuing to be in the meeting, you are consenting to being recorded.
	All right then.
	Oh, apparently they've had some lawyers get involved in this whole thing, apparently.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Probably.
	I mean, I would say it's never a good sign when lawyers get involved, but we are talking about the tech industry.
	So yeah, it's probably one of the best.
	It's kind of like a liver shrugged.
	It's like, well, I mean, the banks are terrible, but they are dealing with Facebook.
	And so, yeah, it turns out the multinational banks are the good guys in this situation.
	They are at least theoretically supposed to have some rules that they stick by, you know.
	Yeah, well, I mean, or like, you know, when the Red Army is bombing Berlin in 1945.
	Sort of.
	Well, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Is the Red Army a completely unimpeachable organization?
	No.
	Well, I mean, Stalin, Stalin was terrorist.
	Stalin was one of history's greatest monsters.
	But Hitler, you know, Hitler.
	Yeah, that's really I mean, that's just that's just an argument winning move, isn't it?
	Well, I mean, that that is the Godwin.
	Right thing, isn't it?
	But Hitler, you know?
	Yeah.
	Because it is the nuke.
	It's the nuclear option.
	It just wins the argument immediately.
	But Hitler was on the other side of that.
	So, you know, whatever.
	Yeah.
	I mean, if you know, if if one side is Hitler, then pretty much by definition, the other side is is at least preferable.
	You know, if you if you have to pick a side, you know, the side that isn't Hitler is Pretty much always the best option.
	Yeah, non-Hitler is the one to go for, I would say, generally.
	It's hard to find a counterexample to that, you know?
	Yeah.
	It's like Robert Evans talking about, you know, in one of the episodes of Behind the Bastards, he was talking about like, yeah, then one of Hitler tried to commit suicide and his friend talked him out of it.
	And usually you think, talking to someone out of suicide, universal good.
	Maybe if your friend is Hitler, go, yeah, no, that probably would have been fine.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, First World War, you know, 99 times out of 100, my exhortation to the German and British troops firing at each other would be, lay down your arms and join forces against your mutual class enemy on both sides of the national divide.
	But in the case where the British soldiers are firing at Hitler, keep firing.
	Yeah.
	Aim better.
	Try just a little bit harder.
	Hitler, not so good, controversially, he said.
	Not such a great person.
	Not such a nice guy.
	Unless you were his secretary, apparently, and even then.

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IDSG bonus episodes are a regular extra just for Patreon backers of myself or Daniel.

Here's a preview of the new one.

By continuing to be in the meeting, you are consenting to being recorded.

All right then.

Oh, apparently they've had some lawyers get involved in this whole thing, apparently.

Yeah.

Probably.

I mean, I would say it's never a good sign when lawyers get involved, but we are talking about the tech industry.

So yeah, it's probably one of the best.

It's kind of like a liver shrugged.

It's like, well, I mean, the banks are terrible, but they are dealing with Facebook.

And so, yeah, it turns out the multinational banks are the good guys in this situation.

They are at least theoretically supposed to have some rules that they stick by, you know.

Yeah, well, I mean, or like, you know, when the Red Army is bombing Berlin in 1945.

Sort of.

Well, yeah.

Yeah.

Is the Red Army a completely unimpeachable organization?

No.

Well, I mean, Stalin, Stalin was terrorist.

Stalin was one of history's greatest monsters.

But Hitler, you know, Hitler.

Yeah, that's really I mean, that's just that's just an argument winning move, isn't it?

Well, I mean, that that is the Godwin.

Right thing, isn't it?

But Hitler, you know?

Yeah.

Because it is the nuke.

It's the nuclear option.

It just wins the argument immediately.

But Hitler was on the other side of that.

So, you know, whatever.

Yeah.

I mean, if you know, if if one side is Hitler, then pretty much by definition, the other side is is at least preferable.

You know, if you if you have to pick a side, you know, the side that isn't Hitler is Pretty much always the best option.

Yeah, non-Hitler is the one to go for, I would say, generally.

It's hard to find a counterexample to that, you know?

Yeah.

It's like Robert Evans talking about, you know, in one of the episodes of Behind the Bastards, he was talking about like, yeah, then one of Hitler tried to commit suicide and his friend talked him out of it.

And usually you think, talking to someone out of suicide, universal good.

Maybe if your friend is Hitler, go, yeah, no, that probably would have been fine.

Yeah.

Yeah, First World War, you know, 99 times out of 100, my exhortation to the German and British troops firing at each other would be, lay down your arms and join forces against your mutual class enemy on both sides of the national divide.

But in the case where the British soldiers are firing at Hitler, keep firing.

Yeah.

Aim better.

Try just a little bit harder.

Hitler, not so good, controversially, he said.

Not such a great person.

Not such a nice guy.

Unless you were his secretary, apparently, and even then.