Special episode this week, as Daniel explodes the bullshit of the 'Right Stuff' / 'Daily Shoah' chuds. Contains clips from Nazi podcasts. Let us know how you like this new format. Content Warning Show Notes: Brenton Lengel Twitter: https://twitter.com/BrentonLengel Nationalism Vs Antifascism Debate: https://t.co/Bo3sZfoEKl?amp=1 Lewontin's Fallacy at Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genetic_Diversity:_Lewontin%27s_Fallacy Matthew Q. Gebert identified by the SPLC. https://www.splcenter.org/gebert Angry White Men covers the Daily Shoah episode from which the "Unironic Exterminationism" clip comes. https://angrywhitemen.org/2017/04/01/daily-shoah-promotes-suidlanders-event-and-interviews-self-proclaimed-ex-mercenary-who-wants-to-exterminate-blacks/ Magnus Hirschfield at Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Hirschfeld Timeline.com, "How the Nazis Derailed the Medical Advances Around Sexual Reassignment Surgery." (Enoch reads this text in the episode.) https://timeline.com/how-the-nazis-derailed-the-medical-advances-around-sexual-reassignment-surgery-eb8d4f21c463 TDS446: The Adolf in the Room Full Video at Bitchute https://www.bitchute.com/video/imERn7oJEKb0/ Dario Gabbai Tells His Story. https://www.neveragain.com/genocide/dario-gabbai/ Excerpts from Goebbel's diary entries, March 1942 at Nizkor: http://nizkor.com/hweb/people/g/goebbels-joseph/goebbels-1948-excerpts-02.html#1942-mar-7 Holocaust Controversies, "Goebbels on Liquidation." http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/04/goebbels-on-liquidation.html Holocaust Controversies, Index of Published Evidence of Gas Chambers at Auschwitz. http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html IDSG episodes 9, 16 and 17
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Hello and welcome to I Don't Speak German, episode 52, and this one is going to be about some people who are lying about me.
My name is Daniel, I am usually the main host of this podcast, and today I am the only host.
Jack will not be joining us today, and that's not because he isn't, as always, welcome to be here.
And I don't have a guest, although it is lovely to have guests.
But today we're going to be doing something a little bit different.
We have always resisted playing clips from these kind of shitheads that we talk about on this show.
And there are a lot of reasons for that.
Most pertinently, just the feeling of not wanting to kind of subject the listeners to this kind of stuff and some of the language.
Just the awfulness of these human beings comes across better if I paraphrase or transcribe and just kind of read it myself, I think.
But certain people in this movement at TheRightStuff.biz, a certain Mike Nock or Michael Pinovich is his name.
Have decided to pretend they haven't said some things that they've said and called me out by name for lying about them.
And so I think this is the moment at which it makes sense to demonstrate that that is just not fucking true.
So that's what we're going to do today.
We're going to be playing some clips.
I have tried to keep them as short as possible, but my goal here is kind of multifold.
First is just to kind of demonstrate that they're lying, which will be true.
You'll find that to be true pretty much immediately as soon as we start playing clips.
The second is to give you a sense of what these shows are actually like and what You know, when they're joking around versus when they're being serious, to kind of give you a sense of, by listening to some of it, kind of what that sounds like.
And the third is we're going to transition into the way these guys treat the Holocaust, because they've been talking about the Holocaust a lot lately, and spreading some real bullshit.
And so this is going to be kind of the goal here.
We're going to Start off, we're going to kind of give you a little bit of the backstory.
I played some clips of them kind of talking about some things that they said a few years ago, and then we're going to play the clip from a few years ago, and then we're just going to kind of move on.
So, I have again decided not to bleep these.
This is fairly, I don't want to say innocuous, but for this material there really aren't a ton of slurs in this.
That said, we are going to reach a point where They start saying some really nasty things about trans people in these clips, and there's really nothing I can do to really minimize that.
So if you think this episode is going to make you uncomfortable, please feel free to not listen to it.
And if you are someone who disagrees with this decision, I do understand the point of sort of...
Using versus not using the actual verbiage.
So I am going to kind of signpost when we get to some of the nasty stuff and you can kind of skip ahead at that point.
But I hope that this listenership will understand kind of where this is coming from and will kind of accept this as a worthwhile experiment.
Now, if you do like these kinds of episodes, I can do them more often.
They do take a lot more time for me to produce because I have to find clips and kind of be able to edit them around them and It's just a lot more kind of production work.
But if you do like it, please let me know.
And if this kind of goes down as something that, you know, is a big flop with the audience, then we'll know not to do it again.
But I do think that this is something that's worthwhile for today.
So this all started when a man named Breton Legal on Twitter, I'll put his I'll put his at in the show notes there.
Contacted me through DMs.
He had kind of had some productive chats here and there in the past and said he was going to be debating with a buddy of his, a couple of the TRS guys.
They were going to be debating Mike Enoch and Eric Stryker.
Both of these names are going to come back to you.
We have discussed Mike Enoch and the TRS guys pretty significantly.
We did a full episode about them, and they kind of come up here and there.
Stryker, we did kind of one episode about a debate here, He had with CV Vitola Dodd So, but you know, we'll kind of get into a little bit of kind of who striker is We'll probably end up having to do a full episode about him But these two guys go on and they're going to debate essentially anti-fascism versus fascism and I kind of get into Some nitty-gritty lefty theory from the 30s and etc And Britain legal just kind of asked me up.
So what's your advice?
How would you how would you handle this?
And I mean my answer is like don't debate these guys because they're not they're not gonna come at you with anything honest They're just gonna want to flimflam you and talk over you and so I You know, I gave him some advice of, you know, these are the kinds of things you're gonna say, be ready for this, be ready for that, and if you want to upset them, drop my name.
And he did.
I watched about the first hour of that debate.
It's pretty insufferable.
This isn't really anyone, this isn't really Britain's fault or his, or the other one kind of arguing on his side.
It was horribly organized.
The moderator just kind of let people talk.
There was really no substantive debate to be had.
It was pretty awful.
I'll put a link to it.
You can watch it and kind of get a sense of it for yourself.
Anyway, after that debate...
Enoch and his buddies over at the TRS crew and um, we have three kind of major figures who are kind of doing the daily show The tedious podcast these days and that's Mike Enoch who's sort of the head honcho guy You've got Jesse Dunstan.
I'm not doxing him.
He is well known that that's his name.
He typically goes by Sven.
I'm gonna try to pick one or the other, Jesse or Sven, and keep calling him that.
I do tend to interchange between the two in my own speaking and thinking.
So if I say Jesse or Sven, it's the same guy.
And the third guy is Alex McNabb, who is a former EMT who got shit-canned when his affiliations were revealed to the local authorities there and doesn't get to be an EMT anymore.
And believe me, this is going to come back here shortly.
So these are your three main guys who are kind of on these episodes.
There's a fourth member and we will be discussing him in a little bit more detail as we kind of move forward.
Let's just start off here.
This is from episode TDS 581.
This clip starts at around the 1 hour and 4 minute mark.
All of this is still readily available online.
You will be able to go find this if you choose to listen to the whole episode and demonstrate to yourself that I have not taken anything out of context.
But at this point we're going to start playing some clips here.
And you know, like, we've done all of this before.
I can't even believe you're literally trotting out Lewontin's fallacy in studies on race.
I have, like, I don't, again, like, there's nothing to even say to this.
Like, this is, you thought you were so fucking smart.
This is Enoch Whining that Britain Legal brought up Lewontin's fallacy in the debate and Lewontin's fallacy on what they say on this kind of far-right race realist bullshit circle is that this idea that there's more variation between or within races than between them.
They call that Lewontin's fallacy because it doesn't really kind of get at the center of kind of what they say race means.
And typically they say, well, no, if you use kind of multi-loci, you know, a little sequences and this sort of thing, you can get like much more kind of broadly defined or, you know, kind of precisely defined races.
And so they have this sort of like pseudo-intellectual argument against that.
And then they just call it Lewontin's fallacy as if like we don't have an answer for that.
This is, again, kind of one of those like if you are going to try to debate these guys, you should, you know, kind of be aware of like the arguments that they're likely to make.
And so it does help to have like a really deep understanding of their argument style because there are responses to the response to Lewontin's fallacy, obviously.
But anyway, that's kind of the context of what he's talking about here.
And so hit play again.
You and your fucking fat, weird friend Daniel Harper, you know, looks like God.
I mean, the guy's shade off his beard.
I think what's really worthwhile here is their immediate response is to just make fun of the way I look.
In case you don't follow me on Twitter, you don't know what I look like.
I have previously had a very long beard.
And I shaved it during the pandemic for ease of mask wearing.
And yeah, basically the entire response that these guys have to me is to call me fat, to call me a loser, to insult my beard, or now my lack of a beard.
They never really want to respond substantively to anything that I have to say, which says everything really in itself.
But their immediate response is to insult me.
Believe me, this is going to come back here in a couple minutes as well.
Yeah, it's just like, dude, I mean, I can't, it's like you are a liberal.
And Daniel Harper is still rustled by the fact that we call him a liberal?
Well, stop being a fucking liberal if you're so rustled!
Yeah, but he is a liberal.
He is!
He's just a liberal!
Wait, is he saying he's not a liberal?
Or does he claim to be something more... Wow.
He needs some kind of anarchist or something, but an anarchist is just an extremist liberal.
So, yeah.
First of all, I don't really care about your political illiteracy that you would call me a liberal.
The point that they're trying to make, ignorantly, is that Anyone who thinks that trans people are real and valid and that, you know, that these kinds of racial and gender issues matter to our conception is kind of within the frame of this sort of like liberal bourgeois mentality.
That's sort of the general gist of what they think they are saying.
Enoch in particular gets really upset when people, actually meaningfully on the left, pretend like they have valid political beliefs.
He's like, well, that just doesn't matter.
Nobody cares about that.
And, you know, again, there is no attempt to understand their intellectual and their political opponents.
It's just too steamroll.
I don't care.
You guys can call me a liberal.
You know, it's only your own sort of political ignorance that is demonstrated there and has nothing to do with me.
We're going to play a little bit more of this clip.
By the way, the order of these speakers, just so you kind of get to know them, Enoch is the one speaking first.
He's the one with kind of the broad New York accent.
Jesse was kind of the second person there speaking.
He's like a former goth kid who is a musician.
He does all the kind of technical production work for the shows.
And he's a musician.
He does all these racist songs that they play all the time.
The third voice there, which you heard very briefly, was Alex McNabb.
He's a bicyclist, again, former EMT, and yeah, so just to identify the voices for you.
I'll try to do that a little bit more as we kind of move forward.
Brief note here, there is a little bit of language in this clip that you're about to hear.
There's not.
No, one of my favorite things, too, is one time I saw Daniel Harper was bragging about how he was like the The most revolutionary out of this entire little house party full of, like, trainees and faggots and stuff.
And he's like, I'm the one that's actually got the edgiest beliefs here.
I'm the one who wants to destroy the system the most.
It's like, come on, dude.
The system literally gives these people privileges.
Well, boards of trainees don't want to destroy the system.
They love the system.
And so, again, I have no idea what McNabb is referring to in that Twitter thread.
I'm sure it's either something that he has completely misinterpreted or just completely misunderstood, or he's just lying.
I don't typically delete my tweets.
If someone will point me to me doing that, I will be happy to explain it and or apologize for it.
It is worthwhile to note that in their minds that people, sexual minorities, sexual and gender minorities, are privileged within the system of late state neoliberal capitalism in the United States as opposed to, like, cishet white people.
It's very central to their worldview that this is true, and of course it is completely fucking wrong.
Anyway, I just thought that was amusing enough to kind of play the end of that and let you just kind of hear them kind of go on and just say nonsense about me and about the world around them.
And so there's one more clip here from episode 581.
This is about an hour later.
This starts around two hours and two minutes.
And this, again, just gives you a sense of how they feel about me.
And so we're just gonna play that now.
The simp-based economy needs to come to a fucking calling, you know, needs a screeching halt.
Like, I don't know, like, you can try and shame the dudes that do it, but can they feel shame either?
Like, if you're giving money to these, these, uh, women to see their butt, their tits, it's like, what?
I don't know!
Like, I would like to think I could shame them for that, but I don't think I can.
I don't think they feel shame.
I think that there's a huge amount of people that have been convinced by Shlomo that they don't have to feel shame for the bad things and the fact that the society that we would introduce would, in fact, make you feel ashamed because these things that you want to do... Well...
So, uh, this is a, it's a long lead-in that I'm giving you here, uh, but I do think it's, uh, worthwhile to kind of see how these guys, uh, joke around with each other and what the, uh, again, what it sounds like when they're joking versus when they're serious.
Um, this is Enoch making a quote-unquote serious point about, uh, OnlyFans and about, uh, sort of a, just a general, uh, disdain for sex workers and the people who would.
actually pay for their content uh pay for your porn support your local sex worker uh just gonna say that here uh i find this like utterly absurd that uh like open fucking national socialist like he was like advocating for ethnic cleansing um thinks that he can like shame people who show I just, I find that utterly absurd.
So I include that there just as, like, a sense of, like, uh, again, uh, the nonsense that these people spew.
Um, but also this lead-in, and this sort of, like, they spend a lot of time kind of randomly talking around concepts.
He spends a lot of time just sort of talking into a microphone, and, like, he just loves the sound of his own voice.
I'm 37 years old and I'm sitting here in a Superman onesie.
to like cut in with some commentary and usually get kind of bowled over by Enoch.
And here there's going to be a little bit of back and forth.
This is Bantz between the two of them, or actually the three of them calls them an abyssal round.
But you'll, you'll kind of get a little bit of the sense of what it is to kind of listen to these guys.
So these urges, he could marginalize for acting 37 years old.
I'm sitting here in a Superman onesie.
Like, do you really want to support the system that creates this outcome?
Just think about that.
I I mean... I was hoping... I mean, I kind of would have... I was hoping you would downplay the Superman onesie a little bit longer.
Just, like, continue to... I'm surprised, like, see... There's so much video editing that I'm too tired to do.
When you're sitting there in a Superman onesie, this is not, like... This is a problem I'm having right now, like...
I wanna make fun of the guy whose only political references was like X-Men and Adventure Time and here's Alex in the Superman onesie.
Here we go.
So McNabb has just, you know, completely made himself feel like a loser within the confines of this, because he's wearing a Superman onesie.
You know, they routinely make fun of anyone who actually enjoys, you know, kind of mainstream entertainment and Marvel movies and that sort of thing, despite the fact that they, in other contexts, will sit and obsessively analyze these films in the sense of what terrible messages The Jews are feeding into this entertainment.
Also, the reference in the earlier clip to Shlomo, that's a reference to the Jews, as in the Jews have created porn and sex work and have made that okay in Western society and white society.
This is very, very common.
Sorry, I forgot to flag it because it's so utterly mundane within the confines of this.
So, here are the last 20 seconds or so of this clip, and this is where I get brought up again.
So, enjoy.
It's warm, though.
Send it to Daniel Harper.
Send it to Daniel Harper.
He wouldn't fit in it.
Yeah, that's true.
He's morbidly obese.
There's no way he could put this thing on.
He's got a lot of visceral fat.
Yeah.
Yeah, I hope he doesn't get sick.
That would be terrible, wouldn't it?
So there's just a little bit of them wishing death upon me.
They hope I get the COVID-19 and die gasping of air because I am overweight and therefore have a comorbidity that would makes it incredibly dangerous for me to to get this illness.
That's, you know, they just wish me dead just a little bit there.
I mean, I'm sure we'll just call that Bantz.
I'm not I'm not gonna take that too seriously.
And so moving on here, we are going to move on to TDS 584.
And so I understand that like to this point, I've been kind of just giving you a sense of kind of what the kind of context of this is.
This is going to get a little bit more serious, and it's going to get a little bit more kind of content based.
And yeah, let's just let's just kind of move on with this now.
This is in TDS 584, it starts around one hour and 25 minutes.
That story and his little anecdote about his ex-GF there reminded me of that thing that could easily be misconstrued and misrepresented to make us look bad.
My super edgy reaction to the striking mic there just reminded me I should probably do it.
What I mentioned in prep.
So, sorry for that intro here.
Again, I'm playing a little bit of the lead-in to kind of give you a sense and to make sure that nobody can accuse me of taking things out of context.
I'm not sure exactly what they're referring to here.
They often kind of speak obliquely to things that they've done in sort of previous episodes, and I'm behind on their paywall content.
Um, they're having trouble processing cards recently from what I understand, and so a lot of my sources have kind of dried up.
Uh, I'm working on it, don't worry.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna get back behind the paywall sooner or later.
But, uh, so I'm not quite sure exactly what they're referring to.
They kind of, like, tiptoe their way into this conversation.
So if you're a little bit lost by what's going on there, I'm not that much better informed.
But effectively, Jesse has said something on a previous show that was perceived as somewhat edgy for the audience.
So yeah, moving forward here.
You guys were talking about, you guys were talking about, I can't remember who it was, whatever leftist or Jew that was like okay with free speech up till a point.
Okay.
This is important.
Well, generally, we're talking about generally speaking that idea, but that was – Brenton Lengel was a specific person we were talking about.
We were talking about that idea specifically that like they'll defend free speech, but the way the Jews get them to hate it is they tell them that we are talking about killing millions of people in a serious way.
Right.
When we're not.
Okay.
This is important.
They're arguing that there are certain things that you're just not allowed to advocate for in kind of polite society.
And that thing that appears to be the limit of free speech is advocation of genocide.
I don't think that that's a unreasonable thing to put beyond the grounds of free speech personally, to the degree that free speech even has a point.
But I'd like you to note that even within this context, What Jesse is arguing here is that that should be an allowed position, and they're going to kind of go on in this and suggest that they should be allowed to advocate for genocide.
Also, it's really notable that Enoch himself is saying, we don't do that.
We don't advocate for the murder of millions of people.
He just said that.
Spoiler alert, we're going to prove that they have actually done that.
But let's just kind of go on with this clip briefly.
No one's doing that.
Right, but I find it to be an interesting line.
That's where it stops.
Why does that have to actually be the line?
If you're going to engage in political debate, and one of your things is free speech, then you should allow that.
Because, look, if I say, to use your old example, Mike, if I say that Polynesian people For instance, or like awful and disgusting and fat and they have weird customs and they like enslave their children until they can afford to get out of the house.
And then, you know, and they, and there's basically no redeeming qualities to these people and they should all be like, like wiped out into extinction.
Like no one, I mean, that's like kind of a, that's like a shitty thing to say.
No one's going to like it, but no one's going to be demand.
No one's going to demand that you'd be like removed from society completely for saying that.
Yeah, no, actually, Sven, I don't think it's okay that you advocate merely for the eradication of Polynesian people, either.
Now, this is a point that they make quite often in these far-right spaces, that, oh, you're just not allowed to advocate genocide against Jewish people, you're allowed to advocate genocide against other kinds of people, and that's because in their right-wing milieu, you know, people do pretty openly advocate for the worldwide eradication of, for instance, Muslims and gay people, etc., etc.
But among right-thinking people who, you know, take all humanity as valuable and valid, no, you're not allowed to just advocate genocide against Polynesian people.
So even in your, like, in your little blinkered worldview, you're wrong from the get-go.
But that's essentially what it's trying to get at here, is that there's a certain group of people that if you start advocating for genocide, those people are the ones who control society, the Jews.
Those people are going to come after you and it's a mark of their power that that's the thing you're not allowed to say, whereas if you go after powerless people like the Polynesian people, nobody's really going to get upset at you if you start advocating for their genocide.
And there certainly is a point to be made about, you know, sort of relative kind of power levels within society.
And who does and does not count as a victim, and certainly the fact that the Polynesian people in the Western world are overwhelmingly kind of living in poverty for reasons that have to do with structural inequality and racism, as opposed to sort of any kind of inborn genetic whatever that they're pretending is the truth.
Anyway, you all kind of get where I'm going with this, but that's just sort of explaining the joke there, kind of giving you some context.
We're gonna hit play now.
I don't think so.
People will not like... Alex is fucking illustrating the point here, right?
No one's going to really be with you on that.
But there must be a certain group where if you start making the case, people are going to go like, jeez, God, you know what?
Maybe that's not so terrible.
Maybe there's no other way.
That's what the problem is, right?
See, now they're saying not only is it something that nobody's really going to get that upset at you for advocating the genocide of the Polynesians, but there's another group that if you started to advocate for their genocide, people would kind of get on board with it.
It would be reasonably acceptable that certain kinds of people who have remained unnamed so far, but I think you can clearly understand what he's getting at here, that certain kinds of people are people who should be genocided.
And this is kind of where this conversation is about to go.
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying, I'm not proposing anything.
He very specifically is not proposing anything, to be clear.
He very specifically is not saying that this should be done.
I'm just saying that like, this little mental exercise of why is this one specific thing, there's one specific claim, one specific line of argumentation, yet they draw a line and you're not allowed to do it.
If you, because easily, as I just illustrated, if I say it about Polynesians, most people are going to be like, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Why would you want, just leave them be!
They're just Polynesians!
Let them have their little island, let them eat their fucking coconuts and their hot dogs.
And just be really fat, just leave them alone.
91% of Samoan women are obese.
Yeah, but it's like, what kind of sicko are you?
My response to that would be, in a serious response, is that I think that the issue isn't, it's not that, it's not the day that rule was created, it's that that is one where the idea butts up against people's like moral intuition.
Right, and so they're like, no, you shouldn't be able to advocate.
But the thing is, it's like, but like, you're already not allowed to.
Yeah, like the people naturally, you try to advocate that you're going to lose.
As you can see, they're kind of going back and forth on this a little bit, like you are allowed and you're not allowed to advocate for certain things, and it's going to be kind of widely accepted.
I think what they're trying to get here is that there is this sort of like natural, quote, unquote, White inclination to find such talk distasteful, and therefore people just sort of don't allow you to do it, and you really wouldn't want to kind of advocate for genocide regardless.
And of course, they're very specifically saying that we are not advocating for genocide, despite the fact that they very clearly in many, many, many, many, many places think that the world would be better with very few or zero Jewish people in it, and also gay people, trans people, etc., etc.
But as I said, unless there's a specific group out there that might start sounding convincing to some people, I mean... But my point was, because that kind of talk is so horrible to most people, that they lie to people You can hear while they're arguing this that they're basically arguing that genocide is good.
They're literally saying we're not advocating for genocide while suggesting that there's a group of people that people would broadly accept the genocide of.
This is going to get even more explicit here in a minute because they're about to start.
You notice Mike is saying people lie about us and say that we say things that we didn't say.
You'll get to hear what this is here in a second.
But yeah, let's just move on.
They're about to bring me back up again.
This is always the best part when they start lying about me.
It's so fun!
And tell them that that's what we're saying, because they want to shut down our actual speech, which isn't that.
So they tell them to get them okay with it.
They're like, well, yeah, free speech, but these guys are genocidal lunatics, right?
That's how it works, right?
Because that's what Brenton L'Engle is convinced of, which is why... Because I never stopped to ask... And like cherry picked our material for one show where someone was talking about stupid shit, and we weren't even agreeing with them.
Okay, once again, uh, brought up my, uh, my appearance, my weight, uh, great, uh, didn't even really want to say my name, which it's always fun when they're talking about me, and, uh, don't want to name me, um, I just, I find that, I find that amusing, um, some guy was saying stupid shit, uh, and, uh, we weren't some guy was saying stupid shit, uh, and, uh, we weren't even agreeing with him, is, is where, um, Enoch is landing at this point, uh, So I just want to highlight that now.
That's what he claims.
Some guy was saying some stupid shit and we weren't agreeing.
Okay, we're gonna move forward.
And Jesse, listen to what Jesse says about his response in this moment.
And let's be clear here, I'm leading up to this, they're referring to a specific clip that I share whenever they start kind of claiming this on Twitter, and which I actually read The text of when we did our original Daily Show episode.
So, we're actually going to play that clip here in a minute.
And that was the genesis of this whole episode was to demonstrate that this is not, their version of this is not in any way relevant to the truth.
So, moving forward here.
You know, from years ago.
So, that's... Oh, I remember that.
Yeah, did he mention... I thought I saw somewhere like Yes!
Somebody mentioned my reaction to being stunned silence.
I was like, what does that tell you?
Somebody mentioned my response as stunned silence.
Okay, who?
It wasn't me because that wasn't what you did.
And yeah, we're moving forward.
Right.
Stunned silence.
Like, uh uh uh.
Yeah, so that's the point, right?
So that's why they do that.
And so it's sort of like, um...
That, and that's all I have, right?
Like, that guy, what's his, I forget his name, No Chin, Fat No Chin guy, whatever.
He listens to our show, he probably doesn't even listen anymore.
He listens until he found that, then he cherry picked it, and he tells everybody, well this is what they talk, this is like what all their shows are like.
It's not true.
I have literally never claimed that.
I have always claimed that they speak encoded language, that the name Daily Shoah is not a claim that there should be a Daily Holocaust.
It's always just a way of using humor as a way of Kind of getting under people's skins and getting into people's defenses.
And kind of seeding their ideology into that.
And in various places they have admitted this over and over and over again.
And we might even, depending on how much time we have, we might play a particular clip where they do exactly that.
So, yeah.
We're going to move forward here and kind of keep playing.
But it is worth, again, just kind of marinating in that just a little bit.
Our shows are generally about Star Trek.
What's that?
Our shows are generally about Star Trek.
They have been talking a lot about Star Trek lately.
In fact, the two major themes of the show for the last month or two have been Sven going through episodes of Star Trek D&G, and they talk about Star Trek a lot, and then they talk about Holocaust Denial, and then they cover some news segments.
That's pretty much the structure of a Daily Show episode at this point.
Not about like that and what the funny thing is though sometimes forget how how edgy it is because I guess I'm just I was like so immersed in the edge it's it's not edgy to me anymore but like I've I've seen talk of people like in that world that have like listened to a show talking about like literally being traumatized Traumatized by it and shit.
But it's not because we're breaking all your stupid fucking taboos that you think you're serious.
Yes, that's your conditioning being broken.
We're laughing at you.
We're laughing at your stupid conditioning.
You know, like, Meraki's laughing at it too.
Like, we're all laughing at it.
Like, fuck you.
Laughing at the idea.
And, you know, if there's some point where the context denial on everything we say gets to the point where we just get thrown in jail for it, like, oh well, I guess then that's where we are.
Like, what do you want me to do?
And so again, there you see they're basically admitting that they are using humor, they're using the bad language, this sort of assertive structure to their show as a way of getting into people's defenses and to make them sort of question the sacred cows.
The sacred cows being genocide is bad, by the way.
It turns out that when we spend hours of our lives talking and joking about gas chambers and how certain people should just be put into ovens, that's just a joke and it's just your problem that you are just weak and stupid and not really, like, cool enough to be in our club because you think that's distasteful and don't want to listen to it.
Clever boys here.
So, um... That's what they claim.
This is the end of that clip, and now we're going to jump back.
We're going to jump back to 2017.
And so what they're referring to there is the fact that on several times over the last couple of years, when people sort of challenge my knowledge of these guys and of their genocidal ambitions, I share this clip from 2017.
This is from the end of March, I think March 31st.
And it is from episode 143, I believe, and this is where we're going to meet the fourth member of the sort of Daily Shoah core group.
And this is someone who has not been doxxed, who goes by the name J.O.
DeLaure.
Now, I have mentioned him on a number of occasions in the past.
We don't know a whole lot about his real background because he'd never been doxed, but he is definitely one of the core members of this group.
He has been on many, many shows.
He had a couple of shows that he did not under the Daily Showa banner, but within the sort of TRS network.
He did one called The Alt-Right Rises, and I am not including clips from that show, primarily because that was A very drunken, joking around kind of genocide show.
And I would consider it actually irresponsible to share those clips and pretend that that was meant entirely seriously.
No, I would much rather play the one on the main channel where they're seriously discussing the need for genocide because I think that's fair.
So, uh, that's what we're going to do.
Now, uh, this, uh, leads into, uh, just, just another word about, like, Ken and Geo's.
Like, they're pretending that, like, oh, some guy we barely knew.
Geo Deloray marched with McNabb and Enoch, uh, at Unite the Right.
He handled security for them.
I can play audio of him bragging about the number of people he beat up that day, quote unquote, in self-defense, et cetera, et cetera, whatever.
I thought about doing that, but this episode is already going to be running fairly long, and we don't want to necessarily have to kind of play that game.
But J.O. is one of the core members.
He used to write a segment for the Fashion Nation podcast called the Europa Report.
That show got spun off into its own show later down the line.
He is currently a sort of primary guy on a Fatherhood show that they run on the network, which is not technically listed among their, you know kind of core shows, but So we're not gonna name that one just yet That's kind of one of the one of the nice things is to kind of have a show that people don't know that I know about although
Now they're going to realize it but um, you know He does a show with this guy named coach Finstock who is a Matthew Q Gerbert who is a former member of the US State Department Very close friends with Enoch and crew.
I'm coach Finstock aka Gerbert again marched with, you know, I can McNabb and Joe at United, right?
These are this these are core members of the group.
This is not some guy.
We barely know this is like he's there He's been in a bunch of episodes.
He runs the kind of back into the operations He used to man the phones for the Colin Show.
He just had, I believe, his first child.
So he's been a little bit absent as of late.
But he appears on the network frequently.
This is not just some guy.
So this is the voice you're about to hear.
He has a very distinctive voice, as I think you'll recognize as soon as I start playing a clip of him.
The lead-in for this is they were talking about South Africa and the South African farm murders and some of the geopolitics around that.
It's not really important to understand the exact point that J.O.
is making about the Cold War geopolitics in South Africa.
I don't think that there's any real relevance there, but where he gets to, I think, is.
So, again, apologies for kind of giving you And because I don't really think it was so much like a Cold War move to fuck the West, because the West had all put the embargoes on them, too.
give you enough of a sense of like kind of like this was a natural place the conversation is going and because i don't really think it was so much like a cold war move to fuck the west because the west had all put the embargoes on them too you know i think this is an explicitly racial thing um it was sort of the last it was the last stand of implicit white identity right it It was the last country that had some form of segregation.
And that's why every time I talk about this, I come back to this point.
And I talk about this on every show I go on.
People say, well, how do we prevent this from happening?
Listen, there's no version of segregation that will ever work.
Because somebody will always use it as a cudgel against you.
Some outsider will use it as a cudgel against you.
And no federal body will ever allow for secession, especially not from its protected or productive class.
They're not going to allow whites in a homeland.
They pay all the fucking taxes down there.
And they wouldn't let anyone in the US do anything similar.
I'll remind you, 150 years ago, 600,000 fucking people killed each other.
And even being a continent away from each other, we still find a way to fucking have conflict.
OK, well, we understand these people are retarded.
So, hey, we'll buy them up and put them to work on our farms.
You can't live around these people.
You can't have them in the next town over.
Someone will always leverage them, or they will leverage you, or one way or another the shit's always going to fall apart.
And that's why I get ragged on for being the unironic exterminationist, but until someone comes up with another solution that hasn't historically failed, that's where it stands.
That's tough.
And so you note there, first of all, he's not joking.
This isn't some like darkly ironic bit where he's pretending to be this as part of a sketch or something.
This is serious political discussion.
They're coming from talking about the geopolitics of South Africa and the end of apartheid and the forces that make that happen, quote unquote, in their minds.
It's always the Jews.
Into, well, how do we prevent this from happening in the future?
And the answer is, we can't live around these people.
We can't have them in the next town over.
We can't live nearby them because someone from the outside will always leverage it against you.
And so this is why I get ragged on for being the unironic exterminationist.
Not like kicked out of the groups, not a pariah.
No, I get ragged on.
People bans me for thinking, oh, we should just murder all the non-white people in the world.
Yeah, people laugh.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, look at that guy.
He's a little extreme, huh?
This is legit.
This is what they think.
Now, I think it's important.
First of all, Jesse is already kind of like half agreeing in the in the kind of comments below or in the sort of he's laughing.
He's sort of like, oh, yeah, no.
This is certainly not stunned silence.
To the degree that it's silent, it's, he doesn't quite know how to respond, but then he is going to kind of know how to respond.
And also, um, just wait till you hear kind of Enoch's immediate response here.
And, uh, I hope at this point you are kind of familiar enough with the voices that I don't have to kind of highlight who's who.
I will say, you say that you think that just like, I mean, ultimately, because the thing is, is sort of a stark and before people start to get kind of upset about what you just said, and it is.
Radical and upsetting, but it's also like South Africa is seeing extermination.
Yeah, extermination the other way is what's going on now.
The thing is that for somebody like us to say that, it's like, oh my god, how shocking, how terrible, how awful.
And that's going to be focused on, that would be something that would be brought up and talked about.
Oh, you're talking about a race war and one side having to win.
And it's like, well, in South Africa, there's a race war.
Mm hmm.
OK.
And yeah, it's just right now are winning.
Right.
The blacks are winning that war.
And so we're supposed to apologize for pointing out that eventually when the demographic situation gets to a point, this will happen.
Right.
And you think, oh, well, this this can be managed, that can be managed, this can be managed.
Well, maybe so, but so far, the evidence shows that a demographic issue, like in the United States, is used to create social wedges, used to create interest groups, and then you push, and you push, and you push, and now white people are down to 60% of the United States.
It's going to fall, and the conflict's only going to increase.
You don't reduce conflict by increasing the diversity.
Well, you reduce it to nothing once you've won.
Once you've increased the generosity to 100%, that's how the conflict goes.
One wins, one loses.
And we're headed to where they're at right now, whereas they have these black, quote-unquote, students.
Destroying artwork and things inside the university down there, and just destroying every edifice of what white's built down there that they can get their hands on.
Not to mention the murder.
Stellenbach University is, you know, of course it was an all-white institution for forever, and it's still like a 70% white institution, but now the government's cracking down on them trying to get them to teach fewer courses in Afrikaans.
Nice.
And it's funny because they're not even going over to their muck muck languages.
They want these classes to be taught in English.
Of course.
That's the language of their liberators.
Right.
In the American and British governments, right?
Yeah.
I don't know if you could say that, but I mean, put some echo on America and British.
You're absolutely right.
It goes on like that for a little while.
This is the clip that I just played you and I apologize for playing so much of it kind of in one go there, but I think it's important to listen to it for what it is.
Of course, there are the slurs there about the African languages and that sort of thing and a little bit of the, you know, kind of a stereotypical Jewish accent or whatever.
Um, but I don't I don't want to focus on the sort of like the surface level racism.
I want to focus on the deeper racism in that clip.
And that is they're suggesting that right now there's a genocide happening in South Africa because black people there, the native African population, so overwhelms demographically the white population.
This is what they see is happening in the rest of the world.
This is the great replacement theory at work.
Right now, white people, by their logic, are being genocided by brown people living in their towns and in their country, and black people existing, and various other non-white people.
Just living in their town is genocide.
It's a slow genocide, but they believe it is a genocide.
And that right now, the white people in the West are losing that war.
And ultimately, how do you solve that problem?
I think it's clear that neither Enoch or Sven are actively endorsing the concept of open genocide there.
They don't necessarily agree with J.O.
about You know, the need for this plan to happen or this idea to become more accepted.
I don't think that you could fairly characterize them as saying, yes, this is something that absolutely has to happen, but they acknowledge it as a very clear possibility, and they acknowledge it as a sort of moral answer to brown people and black people being in their society that maybe, you know, an outright genocide is the morally correct thing to do if it's one of them.
It should be us, and they're already race warring against us, so it's time for us to race war against them.
This is not a joke.
This is what they believe.
This is 100% what they believe all the time, and they just don't talk about it much.
Now, the claim that, you know, I don't even listen to the show anymore, I think is clearly absurd.
I'm very, very familiar with the contents of their show.
I have never claimed that they are 100% always talking about genocide all the time.
They're just lying about me, and they're lying about their own history, and they're lying about this clip.
They're lying about the basic contents of this clip, which I've shared numerous times in various places.
They're assuming that their audience will not check, and that they're convincing the people they have to convince, which are their core kind of new members, and they don't think that you will care enough to listen and make up your own mind.
And that's why I played that clip.
I think it's very clear that these guys are misleading, that they are just lying.
They are fucking lying about their own history and about their own things.
And let me be clear, this episode is still available on their feed.
I checked it this afternoon.
This episode has not been deleted.
It is right there for anyone to listen to at any time.
And if they do delete it, I have a copy of it and I will be happy to share it with you so you can listen to the whole thing in its full context.
But I am not lying about the contents of that audio.
They are lying about the contents of that audio.
Now, we're going to transition here.
And we're going to transition into what they have to say about historical genocide.
Now, because they are claiming, we don't advocate for these things to happen.
We don't advocate for the murder of billions of people.
Not openly.
No, they don't.
I agree.
They don't do it openly.
Um, they certainly do it by implication.
And so, um, I could play some stuff where they sort of like play footsie with pretending Dr. Mengele, um, was actually just a kindly doctor giving vaccinations to young Jewish children.
Um, maybe if they make me do that, I will do that.
I was going to kind of put that clip here, but we're already running pretty long.
And it's kind of a long clip that doesn't go anywhere.
It would kind of have to be a whole mini-episode at least.
It would take me like 30 minutes to kind of get through that entire, all the bullshit that they're spewing there.
So instead, we're going to move on.
And this is where the, in particular, the sort of anti-trans stuff gets hot and heavy.
And this is the stuff that I really do kind of deeply apologize for because I know I do have quite a few regular trans listeners and at this point you may want to click away.
They did a full episode and this was episode 446.
It's entitled The Adolf in the Room.
They like puns.
They like to kind of go in for pun titles and things that are sort of like encoded language that their followers will recognize.
I think you know who Adolf is, and we're going to show you how they kind of get to that.
Now, this episode, they're so proud of this one, the full video, which is normally only available for their Paywall subscribers, is available on BitChute.
So, you know, this is one that they were, they usually just do kind of minor clips, and I haven't been doing a lot of that lately, but they actually put this full episode up on BitChute, and the contents of this two-hour episode is effectively
Uh, going through horror stories of, um, people's transition surgeries from, um, fly-by-night doctors or, you know, just, just from people who are trans and impoverished and who don't have access to healthcare, um, taking the best option that they had and, uh, suffering, um, to enormous degree because of the way that our, um, white supremacist society treats trans people.
And, uh, they spend two hours mocking this, um, by pointing out the most, like, horrific, um, medical, uh, stories that they can, uh, find from this.
Um, and in the middle of this, um, or closer to the end, around the, uh, hour and forty minute mark, they, uh, start talking about where this comes from, and they talk about a man named Magnus Hirschfeld.
Magnus Hirschfeld, I'll include a link to his Wikipedia page, he was a sexologist in Weimar, Germany.
He was one of the first people to take trans identity seriously.
He did a ton of medical research and helped a whole lot of trans people.
And, well, they're going to tell the story of what happened to this guy, and I'll just kind of let them tell it.
Now, when you get into this, what Enoch is doing, and this is kind of a common thing that they do, is he's reading from an article he found online about Hirschfield.
This is from Timeline.com.
It's not a great article, but it's pretty good.
And essentially what they do is they sort of like read the article and then respond to it in the middle.
So, and kind of do what I'm doing here, but with a text document.
So I'm going to link to this so you can kind of follow along.
I think you'll be able to understand when Enoch is reading versus when he's talking and when the other guys are kind of dropping in comments.
So hopefully you'll be able to follow that.
But there will be a link to this original piece in the show notes.
But we're just going to play this.
And again, this gets pretty rough pretty fast.
But I think this is essential to understanding what these guys believe.
So we're going to play it.
Oh.
Okay, Hirschfeld took a different route.
The Stonewall Society refers to him as part educator and part father confessor who claimed to have discussed homosexuality and transsexual issues with over 30,000 people.
Okay, so here we have this guy.
Again, he's the Jewish psychiatrist playing the role of actually telling people- I can think of 6 million people I want to discuss it with.
So first of all, the fact that Sven is very clearly eating, I think he's eating a turkey sandwich at this point.
I think he even references it later in the clip.
But he's referring to, he just throws the number 6 million in there.
I don't really know what joke he's trying to make except that like 30,000 and it should be 6 million.
So 6 million people should have been told about transition surgery in Weimar, Germany instead of 30,000.
I don't know.
He heard a number and he dropped a six million reference for no particular reason.
Anyway, that's as clear as I can understand that.
Yeah, telling people, like, no, no, oh, here's the issue with you.
You're not really a man.
Becoming a woman will make you happy.
Oh, whoops, you cut off your balls and now you want to kill yourself?
Well...
Sorry, I guess that's botched.
Your story is not representative.
We need to keep exploring these avenues.
We need to keep this avenue, keep this pathway open, shall we say.
We need to keep dilating this opening, make sure it stays open.
We don't want this wound, we don't want this social wound to heal.
Around this time that this episode came out, the entire Nazi community was obsessed with a trans woman dilating their vaginas.
Yeah, no, it was a meme around that time.
And you can tell he's kind of searching for the joke.
They do this a lot where they keep just kind of like searching for a joke and saying the thing and like finding the most offensive version of it.
This is very, very common with their sense of humor, and this entire episode is more of that.
I mean, believe me, that last 40 seconds or so, if you want, two hours of that goes even worse, honestly, because some of the stories of these botched surgeries are just absolutely horrifying, and they're laughing at them and making it the whole of the trans experience.
Yeah, let's just move on.
And to have this discontinued.
This turkey's delicious, by the way.
Shall we say.
Okay.
He understood surgery was a promising field in the new portfolio of sex studies, not as a new practice with which he could make his name.
Hirschfeld saw himself as an activist, constantly referring to a motto of justice through science, which also made him a target of Germany's rising fall.
Right.
In 1921, he was jumped after a lecture and left for dead on the street.
Oh, good.
Oh, sanity prevailed.
The men that did that are heroes.
Yep, we should have statues of these guys.
The men that did that are heroes.
This is praising the street thugs in 1921 who assaulted and beat a doctor trying to help trans people, leaving him for dead.
They say statues should be built for this man.
These are heroes in their minds.
Do not tell me that these people do not advocate violence.
It gets worse, believe it or not.
He persisted, though, and became an intermediary.
How did he persist?
He was dead.
Oh, left for dead.
He was left for dead, apparently.
Yeah, apparently.
He persisted, though, and became an intermediary between the German government and the trans community.
One story tells of a trans woman who was arrested on counts of female impersonation.
Imagine that used to be a crime.
Wow.
Female impersonation.
The judge contacted Hirschfeld, who consulted with the woman.
She requested and received reassignment surgery, and later worked in Hirschfeld's Institute for Sexual Science.
Interesting.
Two of Hirschfeld's colleagues performed numerous reassignments and began to realize that their patients tended to be wealthy Germans.
They publicized their surgeries in newspapers, hoping poorer trans people could learn about the procedures and get in touch.
By the early 1930s, people came from around the world to undergo reassignment surgery in Berlin.
Then Adolf Hitler... I'd like a citation on that, actually.
No, no, it's true.
Yeah?
Around the world, this was a...
I believe it's true.
Yes.
Well, no, this is actually a thing with one.
Yeah, this is true.
This is true.
But then, but then what happened?
Really interesting to note versus where we're going to go here shortly.
What Enoch is willing to accept is definitely true.
You see, in his mind, the larger Hirschfeld's practices, the more evil he is and the more justified the response to him is.
And so, uh, He's perfectly willing to accept anything that brings greater perfidy to Hirschfeld.
On flimsy evidence, I actually didn't look into exactly how widespread it was.
I think you could probably quibble with it around the world, just as Sven is.
Sven is trying to say, like, no, this can't be that popular because there just aren't that many people who would want to do that.
I mean, he's just sort of bringing in sort of a basic weirdo skepticism here.
But it is worthwhile noting.
I would wonder on what evidence Enoch actually accepts this claim, given it's pretty clear we're going to start talking about the Holocaust here in a second, versus the degree of skepticism he has towards even the most basic facts of the German annihilation of 6 million Jewish people.
The adults stepped into the room.
Your uncle said, I've had enough of this.
Your uncle came in and said, nope.
Then Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor in Germany in January 1931.
Two years later, his brown shirts broke into Hirschfeld's institute and burned his journals and research.
There you go.
When Hirschfeld was out of Germany on tour, the Nazi student group marched on the institute.
Over 20,000 books were set aflame, as well as medical diagrams and photographs crucial to understanding sex reassignment surgery.
Hirschfeld and his colleagues were Jewish!
Hmm.
Imagine that!
Are you sure about that?
But it wasn't just that.
Hitler also publicly raged against the vice of homosexuality and the degenerate lives of homosexuals.
They weakened the Aryan cause.
The patients were largely saved from targeting by the Nazis by the fact that the documentation of their procedures went up in smoke, but the trans community's great library of Alexandria was burned.
And the medical research was pushed back decades.
Their library of substance.
So, Adolf Hitler, once again, coming out on top, doing nothing wrong.
I think a man that would put a stop to that stuff couldn't be all bad, you know?
There's no way that he could be the demon that he's presented as!
This is the truth of what happened to this research institute in the 30s.
The book burnings in Germany around that time.
The very famous photos.
This was what was actually being burned.
And it's something that's Inconvenient to talk about the early nature of the Holocaust, given how many even otherwise perfectly fine and upstanding middle-class people have deep issues with trans people existing.
Thankfully, that is getting slightly better in the 21st century, but not nearly fast enough.
And they are using the fact that people are uncomfortable there as a way of wedging in their literal Nazi apology.
It is worth noting that, you know, their uncle, you know, that's their uncle Adolf with his comfy chair.
That's a reference to Mein Kampf when they do use that, if you ever hear it.
They think this is fine.
Now, if you ask them, do you think that Hitler genocided trans people, they're going to say, well, no, that's clearly not what was happening.
And clearly he wasn't actually murdering millions of Jews because they're fucking Holocaust deniers.
But we're going to kind of get into that here in a second.
But there's a little bit more in this clip that I think is worth playing before we jump ahead about 20 minutes.
I mean, look, and these thugs, these supposed- OH GOD, THESE THUGS!
That went out- well, you know what, they beat the crap out of this Jew that was poisoning the society!
Yeah.
I mean... Too bad he didn't finish the job.
Too bad he didn't finish the job.
Again, do not tell me these people are not advocating violence.
Personalized, thuggish violence in the fucking streets against the enemies that they choose.
Well, I mean, I don't know.
They got themselves a state apparatus that tried too bad it had to be destroyed from without by an international coalition of willing cuckolds.
A coalition of willing fucking gollums!
This should be an assignment for you.
For those of you that have... I'm not doing anything.
He goes on to spend about 20 minutes advocating for people for the Nazis listening to the show to use this as a way of converting sort of conservative people, people on the right, you know, kind of Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh listeners.
into full-blown Nazis by demonstrating that because the Nazis killed trans people and because the Nazis destroyed this trans research, to essentially use it as a wedge issue to create more Nazis.
I suspect that's the reason that they put this full two-hour episode out in public, even with the video version, so that people can spread it far and wide.
This is a message they endorse.
And again, note their open approval of people, thugs in the streets, to create mass violence against trans people and the researchers and doctors who are treating them.
We're going to jump ahead here to the same episode.
And this is where you know there are fucking bullshit artists about this Holocaust denial bullshit, because here they're basically going to admit the Holocaust happened.
Not in so many words, but we're going to talk about this.
So what else you got?
He was about to talk about Stein.
Cole Stein.
Yeah, so he talked to this rabbi, and there's this idea that He's perpetuating that maybe it's kind of stupid for Jews to break the Bible Belt in the United States and to constantly see white Christians as their enemy, because ultimately what they're going to get is a hostile immigrant group that's going to force them out of the United States, as has happened in France.
And I don't know how much truth there is to that, and I don't really understand exactly how many Jews have left France so far.
It does seem kind of short-sighted to constantly be bringing in people that literally do hate you way worse than Christians do.
So again, we're gonna kind of do a lead in this kind of give you the sense They're referring to this guy David Cole Stein who used to be just named David Cole.
He was a teenage Holocaust denier He was very famous back in the 90s.
He won in the Phil Donahue show He has since sort of like renounced his open sort of Nazi ideology and is a sort of right-wing political operative
Within the Republican Party and apparently I'm not sure exactly kind of like again I don't remember that exact context of this but Kohlstein is apparently arguing that Christians should align with Jews in the United States against this sort of and against immigration from particularly Muslim people who are perceived as being
More overtly anti-semitic and yeah, they've got this whole like, you know back and forth as they kind of go on on this but Here's where things get interesting again This is a point that there are some conservative Jews that make and They're wrong and the majority of the Jewish community doesn't go along with this and the reason there aren't Jews in Europe is one reason the adult in the room The reason there aren't Jews in Europe is because of the Adolf in the room.
That's wonderful.
Write that down, Jamie.
The Adolf in the room.
The Adolf in the room.
Yes.
Like, that's.
The reason there aren't Jews in Europe is because of the Adolf in the room.
Adolf Hitler ensured that there were no Jews in Europe.
Now, again, they're going to claim that what this is is mass deportation.
All the Jews were just sort of like exported east into happy camps that were maybe unpleasant.
And some people died of typhus, but there was no kind of real plan for this.
And that ultimately they all escaped the camps after the war and all moved to Israel.
Now, anyone who knows anything about sort of census information from the time, and anyone who knows anything about the reams and reams and reams and reams of paperwork disproving this idea, with no evidence at all in favor of it except for a handful of cherry-picked examples from Holocaust denier bullshit, these people were absolutely murdered.
I think it's clear that Enoch doesn't really care if they were murdered or not.
Like, I think it's clear that, like, the whole point is, like, they know there's not a... Why are there no Jews in Europe?
I mean, not that there are not Jews in Europe, but that's what Enoch is claiming.
Why are there no Jews in Europe?
Hitler did it.
He claims there was no Holocaust because he claims there were no gas chambers.
But that's not the point.
That's not the thing.
Enoch admits the moral point of this is that someone had to do something about these Jews and it was Hitler doing nothing wrong.
That's what they said right there.
You heard it for yourself.
I'm going to play a bit more of this to kind of give you a sense of the way their humor works.
And again, this gets kind of deeply uncomfortable in terms of just sharing the audio.
So you might want to skip ahead a minute or so if you don't want to listen to any more horrifying talk about botched trans surgeries.
But I'm going to play just a little bit of this.
What are we gonna call this show today?
We got everything.
The Adolph in the Room.
There's so many good show titles.
I feel like that might be the best one.
The Adolph in the Room.
I mean, the fuckin' Oscar Mayer Cervix.
I'm really proud of that one.
That'll be a show note, but we're not putting that on the show.
Are you serious?
Oscar Mayer Cervix?
No, dude.
It's not even a pun!
It's just a gross thing to say.
Yeah, but it's good clickbait.
Like, just put it as like, oh, TDO's gonna do three hours on trainings again.
Put it as a show note.
Again?
We've never done this before.
This is like a fucking... Do we ever have to do trainings again after this?
Can we finally... I think we'll probably talk about the issue, but we might not do a deep... This is our deep... Deep... We're getting a lot of depth.
We are getting a lot of depth.
We created an injury to ourselves by trying to get more depth on this issue.
I want to take a melon baller and find the part of my brain that has the memory of this episode.
I'm going to dig it out.
I've developed scarring from getting too much depth on this.
You didn't hear me when I said it before because you're looking at pictures of bologna.
And there you go.
Maki trans people, they deserve to have whatever Hitler was going to do to them.
And the, quote-unquote, the Jews that allowed it to happen, that made, that brought this into their society in the first place, deserve beating in the street, their lives were destroyed, and at the very least, exportation from civilized, quote-unquote, white societies into the most horrendous living conditions imaginable.
At the very least, you don't have to even on their terms, in which the gas chambers didn't exist, these people are actively advocating for genocide.
Period.
And so we're going to start wrapping up here.
This episode has definitely run long.
I think it was unnecessary, but there is one more clip, and this is from a very recent episode.
This is from episode 592.
I mentioned earlier that they've been doing a little bit of Holocaust denial in every episode.
They make an effort to do so.
And both Mike Enoch and Eric Stryker's Twitter feeds are absolutely filled to the brims with Holocaust denial lately.
You know, Stryker's been tangling with me a little bit and spreading complete nonsense, so we might read a little bit of that.
But this is what Enoch has to say, and these are his terms for if he's going to debate anyone on this topic.
So again, this is from episode 592, and this reveals the agenda for talking about the Holocaust.
Here we go.
This starts around 2 hours and 48 minutes in episode 592 of the Daily Showa.
And fuck you, it's not tedious.
It's the Daily Showa.
You change the fucking label so that your credit card processors wouldn't fuck with you anymore.
Half the work of Holocaust fact-checking is actually just telling people, like, okay, let's start at the beginning, and you tell me what you think you know about the Holocaust, and then it'll be revealed, like, oh, I don't actually know shit.
I have this idea that, like, they were sent to camps, they were gassed, fake showers, soap, lampshades, the whole nine, right?
No, no, no, well, let me tell you what I know.
I have studied this, and I know what they say.
I am now going to tell you what they say.
How they say this went down.
And literally, when you do that, when you go through with sort of a person who doesn't know, and they don't even have to be someone who's like ready for the truth.
Because the best thing in the world is when you have someone that believes in it, and you tell them.
Look, I'm not even going to deny it to you.
I'm just going to tell you what their story is.
And this is a story that you believe in because you believe in the story.
So it's not like, again, don't start and don't start down the road of being like, well, maybe it didn't happen like this.
It could have been like, no, no, no, no.
They have a story.
If that story is false, the thing is false.
You don't get to choose your own holocaust.
It's such a common thing.
It's the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life is when you start arguing against this, people start literally choosing their own holocaust.
They find a way.
Here's how the holocaust can still be true.
Here's my own personal interpretation.
Here's my own personal narrative about how all these facts that don't fit together and don't make any sense can come together and still mean like a holocaust.
And it's like, no.
So, sorry again, that's about a 90-second segment there.
I do apologize for kind of playing so much of it, but this is Enoch advocating for how his listeners should approach normies in terms of talking about the Holocaust.
And it relies, of course, on the fact that most Holocaust education is incredibly superficial and actually is not heavily emphasized within educational courses.
I think I maybe did, like, You know, 15 minutes talking about the Holocaust in my, you know, kind of high school education.
It certainly wasn't a wasn't a focus of conversation.
I learned more about the Holocaust from just kind of independent reading at that point.
And even then, didn't really get the the real history and kind of understand it until I started tangling with Holocaust deniers.
And so what Holocaust deniers are able to do is to take little bits and bobs of some document because, you know, there's a people arguing online about sort of sort of details of this.
And so, OK, I'm going to show you X document and say, like, look, so this this this very clearly indicates, you know, the instance of gas chambers, for instance.
And what they want to do is to be able to kind of pick over that thing and find one little bit that they can just claim is implausible or the claim is inconsistent with other things.
And then blow that completely out of proportion into a sort of universal doubt.
I mentioned earlier that, you know, completely accepts the claim that Hirschfeld's research was available to people from around the world.
He accepts that without thought, without any because it doesn't feed into a narrative that he's trying to argue against.
He's not trying to justify his political beliefs based on being against that idea.
In fact, that idea goes in favor of his narrative about the way that the world works, that history works and that the way that politics should work.
Um, I call Enoch a liar.
I call these people liars because, A, they're just openly lying, but also, Enoch doesn't care about the truth.
He doesn't care about actually looking at the reams and reams and reams of, like, historical documents, of eyewitness testimony.
He doesn't care about looking at historiography in the sense of, like, trying to understand how these things fit together and what the best evidence is and how historians actually do their work.
He wants to take a very surface-level understanding from someone who doesn't have a lot of prior knowledge, and then pretend to be the expert by saying, well, have you looked at this document?
Have you looked at this thing?
And it's, oh, there's this thing that you've probably never heard of.
And I'm going to spin it my way and I'm going to poison you against the idea of accepting this is true.
And this is enormously, enormously effective on the internet right now.
There is a generation of young people, particularly young men who have an absolute antipathy towards the very idea that the Holocaust could be real because of this kinds of bullshit.
They are enormously successful at this.
Scratch it with the tiniest bit of effort and you can debunk every one of these fucking lies.
You know, for instance, they started talking about this guy who was one of the Sonderkommando.
This is one of the Jewish people who were to be victims of the Holocaust who were instead Kept alive long enough to dispose of the bodies of their their fellow their fellow Jewish people Torturous agonizing work.
There's one of these men who survived up until just earlier this year on named Dario.
Goodbye He was a Greek, a Jewish person from Greece, and he was one of the Sonderkommando, and in the 80s he gave an interview about his experiences, and he described the bodies as they kind of came out of the chamber as being black and blue.
Black and blue, for those who may not be aware, is a euphemism for beaten up.
It does not mean the bodies were literally back black and blue.
The action of hydrogen cyanide on bodies turns them red or pink and therefore they use this one minor detail as a way of establishing that he couldn't possibly have been telling the truth and they spin this into a 30-minute segment about this man and how he was obviously lying over a turn of phrase that he used in one interview 40 years after the fucking thing happened this is their technique This is what they do.
They don't want to look at the totality of the evidence They don't want to look at the train schedules.
They don't want to look at this entire process of genocide this entire process by which all of these things actually happened they want to Put a seed of doubt in your mind based on mostly meaningless detail they focus on that instead of on What's the actual logic here?
Enoch here is saying, you don't get to choose your own Holocaust.
I know what they say.
Well, explain to me, Mike, what do they say?
What is your narrative about how the Holocaust worked?
Because I don't think you have it put together in a like, actual thing that can be nailed down with evidence.
And I guarantee you, I can find things to, at the very least nitpick about certain details here and there and find alternate documents because the weight of the evidence in terms of did the Holocaust happen or did it not happen is a million to one in my favor.
So fuck off, Mike, we're going to keep playing this clip.
That I'm going to tell, if you start doing that, I'm going to fucking call you on it and I'm going to toss it all out the window.
Cause they've got a story.
That's your story, too!
If you've got a different story, then you're a Holocaust denier.
And you're making something else up.
They've got a story.
That's the shot.
That's what you're defending.
And not letting you do... You know, maybe you want to quibble a little bit around the edges here.
They're fine.
But the general outline has to be the same.
Otherwise... There's no well maybes.
Yeah.
When you shoot a big giant hole in one of their claims, it's like, well, maybe they didn't.
No, no, no.
If you don't believe that, Now you're on my team.
You can't start making something up because... If you agree that that is bullshit...
That's it.
That's the shot.
That's where this goes a lot is they do it well maybe.
They always do it.
Well maybe instead they did this like well no that's there's no that's not the claim.
Always they do this and I saw that on Twitter I was doing I was just wrecking people right and left like a month or so ago when people were coming at me on this.
Yeah that's right that's not the shot.
And I was like that's not the shot that's not the shot that's not the shot.
This is the claim.
You've already you already don't believe it you're already a holocaust denier.
You're already a holocaust denier.
Yep.
Sorry buddy.
Sorry.
First of all, just to note, that's not the shot, or that is the shot, or this is the shot, is a meme that they're trying to kind of force into existence.
Let me know where you've kind of seen that within these far-right circles if you are another person following it.
I don't think that it's going to get all that widely picked up outside of the kind of TRS central crowd.
But again, I played the rest of that as a way of kind of showing this is what they're trying to do.
They're trying to use, they're trying to plant that seed of doubt, they're trying to use this version of universal skepticism, this sort of like, you know, denial of the gaps kind of argument.
I can find a reason that this particular document may not be as 100% trustworthy.
And I'm only going to focus on that document and not all the other documentary evidence around it, that all of the people who claim to witness things are all lying or they're coerced confessions or what have you.
And only the little pieces of evidence that actually support my thesis, we're just going to build those and claim that those are the valid ones for the purpose of this argument.
And just to close up, I said I've been kind of tangling a bit with Eric Stryker, aka Joseph Jordan is his real name.
I'm not doxing him.
That is a well known to be his name, although he kind of sort of never really claimed it.
But you know, whatever.
It's very clear that that's his name.
And we're going to show you a little bit.
And I'll include a link to this so you can kind of see.
You know, he starts talking to me about this guy Theas Christopherson, who is an SS veteran, who in the 70s claimed that he worked at Auschwitz and he never saw any gas chambers so clearly didn't exist.
And he didn't like the slightest bit of googling in this.
And, you know, Christopherson was worked over a mile away.
He basically never saw the actual camp and was not like directly involved with anything involved with this.
He was a soldier doing a job who there's no reason to suspect he would have seen the camps.
Auschwitz was a really big place.
It's much bigger than kind of in the popular imagination.
And so but he'll use this guy's testimony is completely legit and solid And definitely he had all this knowledge about you know, what was actually going on in the inner workings of the darkest portion of this camp He's willing to accept that because it goes with his narrative and he will strain it nets for anything that He doesn't like I had a lot of back-and-forth about these people are literally supporting the lug to report.
They're the lucha report and Which even other Holocaust deniers know this thing is fucking bullshit at this point and like Anyway, go back and listen to episodes 16 and 17 for a more thorough debunking of that again.
We're running along I just want to like kind of bring up one last little bit and this is I kind of got into it with a striker a bit I'm talking about Goebbels's diary now You can find over at NISCOR and I'll include a link here and Holocaust controversies I'll include a link to them kind of talking about kind of What's in Goebbels diaries and all the sort of like quotes from him about elimination
Now, Stryker wants to, and again, this is one of the kind of core TRS people at this point, he does a paint wall show called Stryking Mike, this is somebody deeply connected into the inner circle of the TRS crew, good friends with Mike Enoch, he's a former guy who was on the Daily Stormer, he's currently doing this thing called National Justice, which is their version of a serious, hard-hitting news site, but from Nazis, and it's, yeah, any look at it, it's completely ridiculous.
He wants to take this March 7, 1942 entry from Goebbels' diary.
This is the quote that he wants you to focus on.
Any final solution involves a tremendous number of new viewpoints.
The Jewish question must be solved within a pan-European frame.
There are 11 million Jews still in Europe.
They will have to be concentrated later to begin within the East.
Possibly an island, such as Madagascar, can be assigned to them after the war.
In any case, there can be no peace in Europe until the last Jews are eliminated from the continent.
And so he wants to indicate that elimination here, in this context, means the Madagascar Plan, which was sort of a version of the Final Solution.
It was something that was planned by the Nazis as a way of like, well, eventually we're just going to own Madagascar, and we'll set up an SS camp there, and we'll just deport all the Jews there.
Like, a third of all the people who even went on the cattle cars to the death camps died in transit, first of all.
And it was well known that the vast majority of people who got packed onto a container ship to go to Madagascar would die on the way.
And there's absolutely no infrastructure in Madagascar that would actually support a robust population of people on the scale that they were planning to deport the Jews there.
This was a genocidal plan in itself.
But Eric Stryker and other Holocaust deniers like him pretend that like, well, because they're not, Goebbels is not directly talking about gas chambers here on March 7th, 1942, which is shortly after the decision to liquidate all the Jewish people in gas chambers was even made, which is most likely in late 1941.
The Wannsee Conference is in January 20th, 1942.
So this is Scant weeks after that.
And so, I honestly don't know what Goebbels knew at this point.
But he wants to point you to this one, you know, this one thing, this one diary entry, and of course, as Nisgar kind of quotes here, no better admission of the injustice of the Nazi attitude towards the Jewish problem could be made than the statement that later generations will not act as the Nazis did.
Meaning, all the Jewish people are going to be away from us at the very least, mostly dying and probably outright exterminated.
So this is his, like, knock-down evidence that there was no, like, plan for gas chambers, that Goebbels knew nothing about it, and this didn't happen, etc., etc.
And what he doesn't want to do is talk about a diary entry from Goebbels from March 27th, 20 days later.
Says the Jews in the general government are now being evacuated eastward The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely note that not to be described here more definitely They don't want they don't want to say exactly what's happening here Not much will remain of the Jews.
On the whole, it can be said that about 60% of them will have to be liquidated, whereas only about 40% can be used for forced labor.
60% of them will have to be liquidated.
What does that mean, Eric?
What does that mean?
60% will have to be liquidated, whereas 40% can be used for forced labor.
Does that mean we're only killing the 60% that are going to either die in transit or are not usable for labor?
Hmm.
Let's see.
A judgment is being visited upon the Jews that, while barbaric, is fully deserved by them.
The prophecy which the Fuhrer made about them for having brought on a new world war is beginning to come true in the most terrible manner.
One must not be sentimental in these matters.
If we did not fight the Jews, they would destroy us.
It's a life-and-death struggle between the Aryan race and the Jewish Basilists.
No other government and no other regime would have the strength for such a global solution of this question.
Here, too, the Fuhrer is the undismayed champion of a radical solution necessitated by conditions and therefore inexorable.
Fortunately, a whole series of possibilities presents itself for us in wartime that would be denied us in peacetime.
We shall have to profit by this.
I think that's pretty clear.
They're not talking about deportation.
That's not what's happening.
A method that does not attract too much attention.
They call them the bacillus.
They call them a virus that must be eliminated.
And in terms of the language that he's using, what's said and what's not said, that we must not be sentimental in these matters.
If he's just talking about deportation, this is in the middle of the most vicious war that has happened in human history.
Smear deportation could not create this level of distaste among the people talking about this, among Goebbels and fucking self.
They're talking about mass murder.
That's what this is.
But Eric Stryker doesn't look at that.
He doesn't want you to look at that.
He doesn't want you to think for yourself about what all of this means.
He doesn't want you to think for yourself about what's being said and not being said.
And what he says, and what his buddies say on their fucking little stupid podcasts.
He doesn't want you to think about that.
I did not literally say that I'm going to do this, and therefore, we're clearly not advocating for that.
But you fucking are.
And you know it.
Just stop lying to yourself and stop lying to your audience and in particular stop lying to me because I fucking know better So as you can imagine this one was Kind of a tough one to record.
It's a lot easier to kind of do these when I've got someone to sort of joke with and not kind of inherit in sort of the horror of the stuff quite as straightforwardly.
Again, if you think this episode is a good format and you want to see kind of more of this, these do take a lot more work to produce on my end.
But I think they're they're worthwhile where we can produce them and where it's necessary And if you think this was a mistake, then please kind of let me know and that in that as well but I think this is I think this is an important moment and You just gotta highlight these lies and you gotta highlight what they do and what they say and sometimes that means just fucking airing it for people and
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And yeah, that was episode 52.
I'm not quite sure what we're doing next week, but it will not be another episode like this one because this is pretty exhausting.
So thanks again for listening.
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