Jack returns to the podcast to chat with Daniel about Michelle Malkin, reactionary star since the War on Terror era, who recently started snuggling up to Nick Fuentes and the Groypers. Plus a bit of chat about the old coronavirus and the recent protests, including the armed 'storming' of the capital statehouse in Michigan. Content warnings, as always. Notes/Links: Michigan Protests, "Operation Gridlock." MLive, "Protesters angry with Gov. Whitmer’s stay-at-home order gridlock Michigan capitol." https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/04/protesters-angry-with-gov-whitmers-stay-at-home-order-gridlock-michigan-capitol.html "But people are still allowed to protest, and thousands took the opportunity to do so in Lansing Wednesday as part of an “Operation Gridlock" protest. Organized by the Michigan Conservative Coalition and supported by the Michigan Freedom Fund and other conservative groups, the idea was to create a traffic jam in front of the Michigan Capitol to create gridlock. “This is a statement to show people’s frustration,” said Meshawn Maddock, a member of the Michigan Conservative Coalition, ahead of the protest." Mother Jones, "A DeVos-Linked Group Promoted the Right-Wing “Operation Gridlock” Tantrum in Michigan" https://www.motherjones.com/coronavirus-updates/2020/04/a-devos-linked-group-promoted-the-right-wing-operation-gridlock-tantrum-in-michigan/ "The whole charade was facilitated by the Michigan Conservative Coalition, a conservative political group that doubles as a front for Michigan Trump Republicans, and promoted by the Michigan Freedom Fund, a conservative group with ties to Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, a Michigan billionaire philanthropist power broker before she joined the Trump administration. The Detroit Free Press reported that the fund was listed as one of the protest’s hosts on Facebook. The organization also promoted the event on Facebook. MLive, "Protesters brave the rain to send message to Michigan leaders as coronavirus state of emergency debate rages" https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/04/protesters-brave-the-rain-to-send-message-to-michigan-leaders-as-coronavirus-state-of-emergency-debate-rages.html "Members of the Michigan Liberty Militia patrolled the grounds, armed with guns after being hired as “security detail” by the organizers. One of the members of the militia, Phil Robinson of Barry County, said the group brought nine people to serve on the detail. “We are strictly here running security, making sure everybody has a right to peacefully assemble,” Robinson said. “That is our only mission here today we are not here as protesters or rally goers were strictly here, exercising our Second Amendment right and to make sure that everybody has a right to peacefully assemble.”" Antifash Gordon thread on the Michigan Liberty Militia: https://twitter.com/AntiFashGordon/status/1255976396913930240?s=20sdsdfdfsdff Michelle Malkin and "America First" Goldsea, "Michelle Malkin: The Radical Right's Asian Pitbull." http://www.goldsea.com/Personalities/Malkin/malkin.html Booknotes Transcript, December 8, 2002. "Invasion: How America Still Welcomes Terrorists, Criminals, and Other Foreign Menaces to Our Shores." https://web.archive.org/web/20071013191746/http://booknotes.org/Transcript/?ProgramID=1705 "MALKIN: Why did I write my book? Well, September 11 was obviously a galvanizing event for me, seeing the lapses in our immigration system that allowed the September 11 hijackers to come in, exploit our weak enforcement, work underground and live her comfortably. And that is a theme that I`ve been talking a lot about over my career in journalism, for more than a decade. I started out in Los Angeles, and it`s hard to ignore the negative consequences of lax immigration enforcement when you`re in the middle of it in Los Angeles. So over the years, you know, I`ve written a number of stories about so many aspects of the immigration system from top to bottom -- the front door, the back door, the side door. And then there`s a personal aspect of it, too. I often talk about how I myself am the child of legal immigrants who came here from the Philippines. And one of the themes that I`ve always talked about is something that they`ve reminded me of almost every day since I was old enough to understand it, which is that entry into this country and residence in this country, and ultimately, citizenship in this country is an absolute privilege, and it ought not to be treated as some sort of natural right or entitlement. But over the years, our immigration system has -- has abandoned that principle. And that`s how we find ourselves with so many problems that we`re dealing today." Malkin's website on "In Defense of Internment." "In Defense of Internment provides a radical departure from the predominant literature of civil liberties absolutism. It offers a defense of the most reviled wartime policies in American history: the evacuation, relocation, and internment of people of Japanese descent during World War II (three separate actions which are commonly lumped under the umbrella term “internment”). My book is also a defense of racial, ethnic, religious, and nationality profiling (widely differing measures that are commonly lumped under the umbrella term “racial profiling”) now being taken or contemplated during today’s War on Terror. I was compelled to write this book after watching ethnic activists, historians, and politicians repeatedly play the World War II internment card after the September 11 attacks. The Bush Administration’s critics have equated every reasonable measure to interrogate, track, detain, and deport potential terrorists with the “racist” and “unjustified” World War II internment policies of President Roosevelt. To make amends for this “shameful blot” on our history, both Japanese-American and Arab/Muslim-American activists argue against any and all uses of race, ethnicity, nationality, and religion in shaping current homeland security policies. Misguided guilt about the past continues to hamper our ability to prevent future terrorist attacks." Michelle Malkin AFPAC Speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4nr02705MA Transcript of Malkin's AFPAC Speech at VDARE: https://vdare.com/articles/michelle-malkin-at-afpac-the-charge-of-the-america-first-brigade "Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls (but no e-girls—Right? Have I proved my bonafides?), I rise tonight in defiant opposition to Conservatism Inc. and in unwavering support of America First. Of course, in the interest of full disclosure and transparency, I must reveal to you that the number of donor class CEOs and philanthropists that are backing me is precisely zero. There is no Sheldon Groyperson pulling the strings. There are no Kek Brothers lurking in the background, waiting to whisk me away in a private jet. The grand total of subsidies that I have received from America First is zero dollars and zero cents. Because there is no America First Inc." ... "The numbers, the exit polls, the stubbornly unmalleable voting preferences of the majority of amnestied and naturalized citizens, plus Birthright Citizenship beneficiaries in every major ethnic block all lead to one irrefutable reality. Mass migration isn’t just turning California and Virginia and Texas blue. It’s turning all of America blue and every American should be seeing red about it. This nation under God will be majority minority by 2045. And when I launched my book tour for Open Borders Incorporated in September, the immediate response from the Soros monkeys was that I was anti-Semitic for trafficking in the Great Replacement Theory that was also believed by the Tree of Life Synagogue shooter. Already right out of the gate, before I even knew who Nick Fuentes was, before I knew who Groypers were, I was being tarred as an anti-Semite. It’s become a useless, meaningless term and everybody knows it. And that’s why they’re so desperate to tar all of us as that. It’s anti-Semitic to mention George Soros’s billions. It’s anti-Semitic to criticize the Anti-Defamation League. It’s anti-Semitic to question whatever the precise number is of people who perished in World War II. It is anti-Semitic for me, being married to a 100% Ashkenazi Jew, to question dual loyalties of people who are working here as agents of a foreign country. Oh, and it is an unacceptably anti-Semitic to point out the rank hypocrisy of people who are fiercely protective of an ethno-state and an immigration enforcement system that works–who turn around and call those of us who believe, whatever our backgrounds are, who only have one homeland that they’ve ever known, to call us—what is it now?–“white majoritarianism” I believe is the term.That’s me. Thank you. Here is what we all know, those of us who understand demographic reality. There is no turning back. We know that. 1965, the Hart-Celler Act, the Refugee Act of 1980, the 1986 Reagan Amnesty, which again is being recycled and pushed right now in the halls of Congress and the White House, the 1990 Immigration Act that’s created H-1B, and the Diversity Visa Lottery, plus more than a dozen other mini-amnesties, extensions and waivers. There is no turning back." "In Defense of Internment provides a radical departure from the predominant literature of civil liberties absolutism. It offers a defense of the most reviled wartime policies in American history: the evacuation, relocation, and internment of people of Japanese descent during World War II (three separate actions which are commonly lumped under the umbrella term “internment”). My book is also a defense of racial, ethnic, religious, and nationality profiling (widely differing measures that are commonly lumped under the umbrella term “racial profiling”) now being taken or contemplated during today’s War on Terror. Red Ice, Michelle Malkin, "In Defense of America's European Roots." https://redice.tv/red-ice-tv/in-defense-of-americas-european-roots Michelle Malkin: "The Defeatocrat's Cheer." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt_YcQlYxyY David Neiwert archive at the Daily Kos. Essential to understand recent Boogaloo boy behavior. https://m.dailykos.com/blogs/David-Neiwert And here's the video Jack mentions in the show: Rad Shiba, Covid-19 and the Left https://youtu.be/l2Gy1lox_QM
Well that's the thing about like restaurants people are saying like oh we want to open up restaurants and just have them work at like 50% capacity and put, like, more space between the tables, etc.
And it's like, well, A, there are, like, really fundamental reasons not to do that.
It turns out there's really good data that, like, the existence of air conditioning.
Like, an air-conditioned space is just going to spread this thing throughout everyone in that space.
That's just how air conditioning works, you know?
But also, these restaurants can't afford to open at 50% capacity.
They just can't.
It's just not, like, their margins are too thin for that.
And so, you know, to think that you can limp along that way and to reopen and to get any kind of economic growth out of it, which is the whole hypothetical point of the thing, is to, like, let us have an economy again so we can have jobs, etc.
It's like, just pay people.
Just pay people.
Yeah.
Just give people $2,000 a month for the next six months.
It's all fake money anyway.
We are not going to go back to the economy as it was any time soon, if at all.
We're going to have to switch to a different economic model, which heavily involves lots of state support, at least in the short term.
That's just a fact.
You've got to deal with it.
Like in this country, we've got this budget air travel firm called EasyJet, and they're talking about, oh no, we're going to start flights up again as soon as we possibly can, and we're just going to leave the middle aisle empty.
Firstly, as you say, you're going to be spreading the disease to your passengers and across the rest of the world again.
And secondly, you're not going to make enough profit to run doing it that way.
Well, you saw there was this thing where they were actually running empty planes for a while.
Yeah because like they had like for whatever deal they had with the carriers like they sort of had to keep moving planes around so that there were like options for people to get transferring flights because of the the system would break down for technical reasons if the flights didn't go but there's literally no one on the flight so they just take off and land and they're just burning all this jet fuel Meanwhile, oil has become worthless so we've got loads of fucking oil-bearing supertankers in the oceans that literally can't berth anywhere.
They're literally, they're like videos of like where they're just sitting in the middle of the ocean or sitting in harbours in like perfect formation.
They're just waiting until like they can just dock and offload their shit.
Yeah.
Extremely rational allocation of resources.
There's no sense of, like, maybe we don't have to keep drilling the oil so fast.
Like, the system literally doesn't work that way.
It only works if you are drawing as much fucking oil out of the ground and putting it somewhere as humanly possible.
That's the only way this economic system works.
It's a perfect system with no flaws.
And I wish I could believe that this is going to be a seminal moment where, you know, suddenly when it's going to change everything.
I wish I believed that.
I wish I believed that.
It's, you know, socialism or barbarism, right?
Like, that's the truth of the matter.
Yeah, I mean, that's always been true.
It feels very pointed right now.
It feels very true right now, doesn't it?
Yeah.
I guess we should do this episode.
Hello and welcome to I Don't Speak German, the anti-fascist podcast in which I, Jack Graham, and my friend Daniel Harper have conversations about the far-right's conversations.
Every episode comes with a big content warning.
So yeah, you could already be listening to us, listeners, to episode 50 of I Don't Speak German, the podcast where da-da-da-da-da.
Yeah, and hi Daniel, how are you?
For the purposes of the listeners, how are you?
I don't have coronavirus that I know of, although apparently it turns out that many, many people are asymptomatic and just have it, so I may have it, but no one in my orbit seems to be symptomatic, so that's the positive side, right?
Yeah, absolutely.
Same here.
I do not have it, except maybe I do.
So yeah, as I say, this is episode 50, the big 5-0.
Amazing.
I never thought we'd get here.
I thought we were going to get here in like the fourth week.
I was just going to like plow through and do like multiple episodes.
No, that's not true.
No, it's when we first when you first said like, hey, let's do a podcast about this.
I was like, oh, yeah, that will last a few episodes and no one will listen.
And both of those things have been absolutely true.
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm very pleased, I have to say.
I've never gotten to episode 50 of anything I've ever done.
Well, I have, but my life isn't nearly as exciting as yours.
That's true, yeah.
And on the subject of my life, yes, this is my triumphant return to the podcast.
Yes, as some of you will know from listening to Daniel and maybe from following me on Twitter, I've been having a rough time a bit.
I've been affected, shall we say, by the COVID-19, the coronavirus thing, as have many people.
I'm feeling a lot better now.
I've also had some family stuff.
I've had a very close relative who's been extremely ill, not with coronavirus, but with something else.
But, I mean, extremely ill, sort of, you know, to the point of probably going to die extremely ill.
That now has passed.
He's a lot better.
Seems to be on the mend, out of the woods, and all those other nice metaphors.
So that's good.
And my personal situation is still uncertain, as are, you know, the personal situations of millions of us.
But less immediately catastrophic, shall we say.
It's a question of wait and see, you know, Let's hope, rather than ahhhhhh!
And that is in no small part due to the kindness, kind wishes and assistance of many of you listening.
So thanks for that, everybody.
And I'm back on the show.
Sorry about that.
There's always a downside to everything, isn't there, listeners?
Right.
Um, yeah, I mean, it's, uh, I was trying to kind of produce content that was like a little bit more lighthearted for the last few weeks while you'd be gone just to, uh, you know, kind of not drag everybody quite down to the depths of despair that like the show has the, so, you know, we did a little bit of kind of a boozy episode about no white guilt and we, you know, did some more fun stuff about the tech industry.
And, uh, I do think, um, the guests too who came on and, uh, Hopefully they will all come back and kind of talk about other topics in the future, but I think for the next few weeks we're going to get back to kind of our more standard regular fair, and pick a topic and kind of talk about it, and kind of go back to what we've been doing.
Which means I have to do a little bit more work, because I have to carry all the notes and everything.
Yeah, sorry about that.
So ultimately, you being gone actually made the quality of the show decrease.
But it reduced the amount of work that I had to do so, you know, thank you for taking some time off.
That's okay.
It's going to be nice to actually be involved in the stuff I'm editing rather than hearing it as a listener for the first time while I'm sat in front of the blue squiggles on Audacity.
But yeah, this is episode 50.
Hooray, happy birthday to us.
And this episode, we're going to be talking about Michelle Malkin.
Michelle Malkin and her relationship with the American First, pardon me, America First crowd, the Groypers.
And by extension, the American Identity Movement.
Yeah, it's kind of a complicated little turducken of evil, but yeah, that's what we're going to talk about today.
But we do have some news and stuff, don't we, to talk about first, I think.
Yeah, and I'm going to try to run through this pretty quickly because this show, I mean, I've kind of been asked why don't I do more stuff about the militias?
And the answer is that, like, I don't consider that kind of an area of my, like, specific interest or expertise.
And there are plenty of other people who are doing, like, tons of work around I mean, a friend of the show, David Neiwert, has been doing some really great stuff.
I'll put a link to his recent pieces about this sort of Boogaloo stuff and the way the coronavirus is being exploited by some people in the show notes here, and that's an excellent resource.
David is doing better than I could ever do on this show.
I could just read some of his articles to you, I guess.
You know, the Nazis reuse other people's content all the time.
Maybe I could just sell out and do it that way.
But instead, I thought what I'd do, I did have some people ask me, like, because it's known that I live in Michigan, and Michigan has been kind of a hotspot for this stuff, Michigan is currently the third highest state in terms of confirmed cases, and Detroit was the only second city in the world to get more than a thousand deaths from coronavirus after New York City.
And Detroit just has, you know, like 10% of the population.
So it's been it's been really bad.
It's been really bad.
And we've been getting these this this thing Operation Gridlock happened and we've been getting lots of kind of like local news is happening in terms of you know kind of people battling with the stay-at-home orders and such.
And so I was asked to sort of cover that and so we're gonna cover that a little bit here at the beginning and then kind of move on and talk about our main topic.
So, uh, Governor Whitmer, uh, Gretchen Whitmer is our governor, uh, President Trump is calling her, uh, that lady from Michigan, or that woman from Michigan, excuse me.
Uh, there's been a little bit of a Twitter battle that he's been engaged with, with her, and there's been some SNL appearance of what's, uh, you know, whatever.
It gets into the pop culture, uh, because she's battling with Trump and she's, uh, On the apparent shortlist to be Joe Biden's running mate, which is a topic I do not want to discuss in the slightest at this juncture But Whitmer ordered a stay-at-home order in the middle of March and it's kind of like escalated certain aspects of that and then kind of like changed certain things over the time and
Almost immediately, there was pushback from some of the sort of more right-wing.
So we do have a Democratic governor, but both our House and Senate are Republican-led.
And so they start making noises about, like, you know, tyranny, you know, executive abuse of power, you don't have the right to do this.
I mean, the Constitution gives us the ability to cannot order a state of emergency for 28 days.
That starts to get kind of towards the end of it and she starts extending it and they're trying to sue her and it's kind of there's a big mess just within our Michigan State level government that is where the two sides are just sniping over like how many people are going to die of COVID-19 in order to make sure that people can get their haircuts.
Yeah.
And this kind of came to I think national attention the first time here in the middle of April.
I think April 14th or 15th, and I've got some links to MLive, which is kind of the local news website.
Protestors angry with Governor Whitner's stay-at-home order gridlocked Michigan Capitol.
This was named Operation Gridlock, and this is a quote from that article.
But people are still allowed to protest, and thousands took the opportunity to do so in Lansing Wednesday as part of an Operation Gridlock protest.
Organized by the Michigan Conservative Coalition and supported by the Michigan Freedom Fund and other conservative groups, the idea was to create a traffic jam in front of the Michigan Capitol to create gridlock.
This is a statement to show people's frustration, said Michonne Maddock, a member of the Michigan Conservative Coalition, ahead of the protest.
Now, you may wonder, that's just kind of a bunch of noise from a local news report, who are the Michigan Conservative Coalition and who are the Michigan Freedom Fund?
And there's a very nice piece in Mother Jones which explains this in an article entitled, A DeVos-linked Group Promoted the Right-Wing Operation Gridlock Tantrum in Michigan.
And I've got a link to this again in the show notes.
The whole charade was facilitated by the Michigan Conservative Coalition, a conservative political group that doubles as a front for the Michigan Trump Republicans, and promoted by the Michigan Freedom Fund, a conservative group with ties to Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, a Michigan billionaire philanthropist power broker before she joined the Trump administration.
The Detroit Free Press reported that the fund was listed as one of the process hosts on Facebook.
The organization also promoted the event on Facebook.
And that article goes into kind of like the shadowy ties between DeVos and sort of like her organizations and her family's organizations.
DeVos is a huge name in the state of Michigan.
There's a whole lot of stuff named after them.
You know, the big amphitheater in Grand Rapids, which is the second, I think the second biggest city in the state, is named after them.
Their money is all over the place here.
Gee, I certainly am surprised to learn that those protests were linked to big right-wing money.
Right.
I mean, I think what's interesting here and I think what people are sort of arguing about is, or at least I kind of saw it in some of my Twitter feed and some kind of stuff in kind of the general culture is like, to what degree is this stuff organic and to what degree is this sort of astroturfed, you know, kind of fake opposition?
And I think the reality is both, that it's sort of both of those things, that there is a, and I get this from kind of like talking to people in my day-to-day life, people that I just sort of know and, you know, certainly like, you know, my Facebook feed, certainly like, you know, my Facebook feed, you know, plenty of people who are frustrated with this thing and who do, who found some of the specific things that were locked down, like,
Like for a while it was like you weren't allowed to buy seeds, like home and garden centers were closed.
On the logic that people are gonna go and mingle and this is kind of quote-unquote non-essential Economic activity.
Companies that were doing lawn maintenance and lawn care were shut down.
They were not listed on the list of essential.
And, you know, the argument there is sort of like, well, how, A, like, this serves like a legitimate public purpose to, like, cut lawns and make sure that, you know, you're not getting, you know, wild animals and infestations and that sort of thing to actually, like, clean up things.
Like, that's a legitimate public purpose.
But also, if I'm out on a lawnmower, and I'm not near anyone, and I'm wearing a mask, like, is that really so dangerous?
And so, there are, I think, legitimate, like, questions about, like, some of the specific provisions, but this went way, way beyond that.
It's turning into this, like, absolute shitshow of this kind of, like, right-wing tea party, like, But if anything, even dumber.
Another thing people ask is like, you know, so are these Nazis or are these, you know, kind of, who are these people?
And we did see some Proud Boys.
There were some definite identified Proud Boys hanging out at Operation Gridlock in mid-April.
And there was one sign that was, you know, Trump Pence, and then it had a swastika.
But that appears to be just a completely misguided counter-protester who had no idea, like,
Like Display his message And I think I even shared that one like oh, this is this is fine and then it kind of came out like no this was Because it was kind of weird like why is why that because there is I don't know we may do a full episode on Coronavirus and like how the Nazis and how these like right-wing groups are dealing with it because it is kind of a fascinating thing but like the Nazis are generally on the you know, the coronavirus is real and
And it's evil and it just shows the Horrible nature of immigration that we shouldn't allow immigration that we shouldn't have Chinese.
Yeah here and like Chinese are dirty, etc, etc Whereas the more Patriot groups are kind of using it as this is a grab of our freedoms by an oppressive government, you know, you know and so it's like who's calling who a Nazi because then the conservative groups the Patriot groups are like governor Whitmer Whitmer might as well be a Nazi because she's trying to keep us safe from you know pandemic and So, which is exactly the thing that the Nazis did.
As someone who knows a lot about the Nazis.
There was another kind of big protest about two weeks later.
We'll just kind of run through this real quickly.
This one, again, another link to MLive.
Protesters braved the rain to send message to Michigan leaders as coronavirus state of emergency debate rages.
That says members of the Michigan Liberty Militia patrolled the grounds armed with guns after being hired as security detail quote-unquote by the organizers.
One of the members of the militia, Phil Robinson of Barry County, said the group brought nine people to serve on the detail.
This is a quote from Phil Robinson, who I'm just gonna stick him in now.
He has an online presence.
This is Phil Odinson.
We are strictly here running security, making sure everybody has a right to peacefully assemble.
Robinson said that is our only mission here today.
We are not here as protesters or rally goers.
We're strictly here exercising our Second Amendment right and to make sure that everybody has a right to peacefully assemble.
are peacefully assembled um antifax gordon uh docks this guy um or at least uh you know sort of sort of collected the information and posted it um who was the michigan liberty militia it's a very worthwhile thread he does go into phil odinson um draws the conclusion that odinson not everybody who uses that kind of norse imagery is a literal nazi but it's really common and um it's a It's a big clue, let's put it that way.
It's a big clue, and we don't want to say this guy is definitely a Nazi without some good evidence here, because that's not what we do here.
But it's fishy, so we'll keep looking at that guy a little bit longer.
I don't have the... I'll have to find the link.
I couldn't... I forgot to grab it.
There's this famous photo from Lansing where a woman, a middle-aged woman, is leaning out the side of her truck and screaming at a person of color in a face mask and scrubs who is standing in the way of their ability to sort of protest at the hospital, essentially, is leaning out the side of her truck and screaming at a person of color in a face mask and scrubs who is
That woman was doxed, and I don't have – again, I wouldn't say her name here anyway because I don't think that's the purpose, but it turns out that she was a follower of – well, she was a Facebook follower of a group called Blackpilled, which is run by this guy who wrote a book series, which is carrying on where the Turner Diaries left off, called Day of the Rope.
So, uh, and this is legitimate Nazi stuff.
So, yeah.
Um, no telling if she's actually a Nazi or just sort of like Nazi adjacent, but it does kind of prove that, um, the stuff that we're kind of talking about here in this kind of like ultra fringe material.
that I spend a lot of my time kind of like elucidating in this context is feeding over into these kind of more mainstream contexts, even if it's a even if it's buried, if it's not on the surface.
Like I wouldn't call her a Nazi just first kind of following this page without kind of knowing what her direct involvement with that page is.
You know, if she's sitting around there doing Groeper means in 1488.
OK, yeah, I think you're a Nazi.
If she's kind of like treating it as like, well, really, we're just going to like get rid of all the liberals.
And that's the whole problem, you know, for some reason that gets to be. - Yeah.
That doesn't really get to be considered a straight up Nazi, but yeah.
That's a part of the Nazi agenda, but you need more than that if you're going to be... In America nowadays, you need more than just, I want to exterminate all liberals if you're going to be a Nazi.
Right.
I mean, come on, that's weak sauce.
And it's also like I mean there is this this kind of thing of like one of the things that like the the literal Nazis that I follow around constantly talk about is the the idea of like we're not allowed to say anything about like you know advocating any kind of like violence or advocating any kind of thing you know but you look at these quote-unquote boomer conservative pages these like patriot pages and it is very easy I mean to go into like one of these three percenter groups and just see
Like, absolutely horrifying language about, like, we need to go out and kill every Muslim, you know, under a, like, you know.
It's absolutely routine, and this stuff never ever gets prosecuted, and never ever gets, like, questioned.
It really doesn't get taken down.
These groups get hundreds of thousands or millions of members, and this is, like, just straightforward discourse, and the literal Nazis are kind of going, like, well, why do they get to that, and we don't get to, say, kill all the Jews, you know?
In jest.
And, you know, kind of got a point there, you know?
There is a double standard, isn't there?
I mean, these militia groups, these anti-government groups, they, I mean, of more concern, shall we say, to the American government than, you know, let's kill all the Muslims, they will openly, what's the phrase, advocate the violent overthrow of the American government and get away with it.
Right?
No, absolutely.
And I mean, you know, not to say, I mean, again, there's a complicated kind of question here because, you know, the overthrow of the American government, you know, if you're doing it the right way, is actually, you know, like, I think that's a positive thing.
Because the American government is, you know, a criminal enterprise that is actively destroying the world.
It would be nice if it would go away, but it would go away in a way that, you know, gave power and solidarity to everyone instead of...
And that's the other thing about these these protesters is that they all seem kind of like paint themselves as these aggrieved minorities like we just want to go back to work and then you kind of look at these guys with like $3,000 rifle setups and you know and they're like spotless truck that has never seen actual dirt anywhere What a lot of them mean is we want the people that work for us to come back to yeah a lot of this and I I'm not gonna say absolutely everyone you know I'm not like we don't deal in absolutes here, but you know a whole lot of it is
I own a business, and I want my business to reopen, so I want to make my employees go out and face the dangers that I don't get to at all.
And, I mean, it is something, and we need to move away from coronavirus.
It is something that I think we are definitely starting to need to talk about in terms of, you know, we really do have this, like, divided economy right now where you've got people who are unemployed and, like, tens of millions of unemployed in this country.
Like, the, you know, the spike in unemployment was, like, record shattering.
Like, even at the height of the Great Depression, the numbers, you know, we're like 10 times as high as in terms of, like, unemployment claims, right?
Yeah, it's literally off the scale.
Right.
The kind of measurement that breaks the measuring device.
Exactly, exactly.
We've saturated the device.
So we're seeing like this massive unemployment and we're seeing people who are like kind of bored and in quarantine and able to work from home, this sort of like what we sometimes call the professional managerial class.
So these are all the managers, these are all the people who work in the spreadsheet mines.
It's like, well, we can give you a dial-in and you can just use Excel from home if this is your job.
And then you've got the people who actually do have to move stuff around for a living, who are considered quote-unquote essential workers, and there's a whole class of people.
I don't talk about, like, what I do for a living on this podcast, but I am one of those workers, to be clear, who's still going to work, who still has to go to a place to do something.
So I have not been laid off yet, so we'll see.
But, you know, especially sort of the people working in grocery stores and working in pharmacies and working in You know, delivery and that sort of thing are people literally working with the public who are at the absolute front lines of this thing.
As close as you can get to not actively be working in a medical environment, and who are making some of the worst wages that anyone in this economy makes.
Like, a lot of these jobs are barely above minimum wage, if that.
And it's absolutely disgusting, of course, and it would be nice if we could do something about that.
Yes, it would, yeah.
And it is infuriating to see the way the media – we're going to move off coronavirus – but the way they present these quote-unquote protests.
I mean, as people have pointed out, the media reports, they show you the protest from within the thick of it.
If you zoom out a bit, these are relatively minuscule numbers of people.
And you mentioned the quote-unquote genuine versus astroturf.
You know, grassroots versus astroturf distinction.
Obviously, there's an extent to which there's both because there's a lot of these people out there, but they're astroturfed in the sense that these people are being organized for, you know, by people with big interests for particular reasons.
And they're being presented by the media as like this, at least in sectors of the media anyway, as this insurgent swell of the working class, you know, demanding to be allowed to get back to work.
And in the middle of this, in the middle of these same crowds, we've got people holding up signs that say, work is freedom, which is a very, it's very similar to, of course, the... Some of those were photoshopped.
We don't speak German on this podcast, but there is a German phrase, Arbeit macht frei, which you might be aware of.
And yeah, this is, this is pretty fucking scary, I have to say, this confluence.
Well, and just sort of like, and this is kind of the, you know, again, it would be worth I don't know.
I feel like I could make kind of a philosophical episode about this and we could kind of really get into kind of how we feel about where this is going given kind of what our experiences with this stuff are.
But I'm hesitant to do that until I have just a little bit more like solidity in terms of my own feelings here.
But certainly this idea that Well the elderly are just it only affects the elderly and they're gonna die anyway and the question of like did you die of the disease or did you die with the disease you know I'm kind of like judging the numbers that way and then this whole like you know well look you know more people are gonna die if the economy isn't working more people are gonna and look These are real questions that we kind of run into whenever we like try to run a society and like what level of risk do we accept and what level of risk do we not accept?
Like what is, you know, what is a bridge too far?
But the people who are asking for sacrifices to be made are people, I'll say universally or almost universally, are not the people who are going to actually be on the front lines, you know?
If you're a policymaker or if you're a TV talking head And you say, like, we need to reopen the economy.
And you say, I'm gonna go work at a grocery store for, like, the shit wages that people work at a grocery store for just to, like, you know, do my part.
Okay, at that point, all right, fine.
You get to make that point.
But if you're gonna, like, sit in your mansion and, like, sit in a webcam and, like, talk about how all the little people get to die for your stead, this is... I don't want to overstate this, but this tends towards, like, little genocidal rhetoric, right?
It's just like a war on the working class as opposed to a war on, you know, a particular ethnic group.
Yeah, and I mean, there's two things I want to bring out there.
Firstly... And of course, the working class, those people are overwhelmingly POC and minorities and etc.
Yes.
And sorry, I didn't want to go away without making that point.
Yeah, sorry.
Yeah, that's an important thing to remember.
The victims of COVID are disproportionately people of color, black and Middle Eastern in Britain, particularly in the health service.
Oh, in Detroit.
In Detroit, it's like overwhelmingly African Americans.
It's just, it's absolutely, I mean, Pit of my stomach painful to look at some of that but please let's make it make you make the point you were going to make and then we probably need to move on to our main topic because we could probably talk about coronavirus for another hour.
I was just gonna say I live in a fairly prosperous part of the United Kingdom and When you walk around the principal city near where I live, it's almost universally white people, right?
If you want to see ethnic diversity, there's plenty of ethnic diversity in this place.
I'm not going to talk about the exact place where I live.
But if you want to see it, the place to go is the hospital.
Yeah.
Is to the NHS.
There you will see, if you walk around the town, it's white people, white people, white people, white people.
You walk into the hospital, the NHS hospital, where of course people are currently on the front lines of this thing and disproportionately dying because of our fucking government, etc, etc, etc.
There you will see all sorts of different coloured faces.
There you will see ethnic diversity.
And this is why in this country black and middle eastern people are You know, this is one of the reasons.
It's structural poverty and it's also the fact that people working in the NHS on the front lines are disproportionately of those sorts of ethnicities and they're not being cared for by the government.
And you were talking about fudging the numbers.
Of course, we in Britain don't know anything about fudging numbers.
And you were talking about, you know, It's bordering on eugenics, particularly in this country, on the way the government is basically pretty much, I think, now deliberately saying, yeah, well, we can use this to get rid of loads of the useless members of the working class who are now too old to produce surplus value, which is why we're seeing something horrific happening in the care homes.
And in the care system in this country.
And it's, you know, there is a point where incompetence and these things just become deliberate anyway.
But I think it's, it looks to me like deliberate eugenic, you know, sacrifice, to be honest, of a useless sector of the population because they're just not producing, as I say, they're not producing surplus value anymore.
And, you know, I think if there's one thing this is revealing, it's the fact that The people that are of value are the people who produce value in capitalist society.
And the people who produce value in capitalist society, the people who produce the surplus value that actually is the point of the system, that keeps it running, they are the people who are producing the society.
reproducing the society day after day.
As you say, the people who actually make stuff and do stuff and move stuff around and provide services.
And they are the very people, ironically, given that this society is set up to extract the value that they produce through their labour, they are the very people who are being sent to the slaughter.
And I think, like a lot of things, the coronavirus is sort of driven, not driven a wedge, but shone a light into the central division between the The different types of right-wing politics in America.
You know, you have the sort of anti-government militia type people see it as a great big government conspiracy to take away our guns and take away our liberty and all that.
And you have the Nazis on the other side who see it as it's all about immigration, it's all about race and stuff like that.
And I think that's incredibly... And I think coronavirus, for all that it's dreadful, it is acting as this kind of searchlight, I think.
No, absolutely.
Do you want to just talk about coronavirus for another 30 minutes and just do Michelle Malkin next week?
No, no, no.
Let's do Michelle Malkin.
I'm psyched for Michelle Malkin.
These issues are on my mind.
Let's put it that way.
They're on our minds every time.
It's funny how many podcasts I've been listening to who normally have other kinds of content, and it's just like coronavirus is the only thing anyone is talking about all the time.
But it is a little bit like looking at news broadcasts from 1943, and it's like, well yeah, of course they're just talking about the war.
That's all they're doing.
Because that's all anybody cares about, ultimately.
And yeah, we should move on.
We should talk about Michelle Malkin.
I'm sure we can talk more about the coronavirus next week.
No, I think we've exhausted that topic.
There's nothing else to say.
It'll all be over by next week.
Oh yeah, it will be.
So yeah, on to the main topic of the episode.
Michelle Malkin.
Yeah, so I guess I really wanted to start this off and just ask you what you know about Michelle Malkin.
Because I'm not sure... I was expecting this.
I'm not sure how much kind of came across the pond.
And I'm also not sure what our younger listeners might know about her.
And so I'm kind of going in this a little bit blind, because I am very familiar with Michelle Malkin.
So yeah, tell me, just kind of give me a general sense of kind of what you know.
I mean, how familiar are you with her and her character?
I'm flattered to be used as a barometer for what young people know.
That's amazing.
Well, people who are not Americans, I kind of treat like the level of knowledge About American political culture in the year like 2003 From like 19 year olds today is roughly equivalent to like what like educated People from outside this country.
No, I think that's a reasonable at least a guesstimate I honestly don't know if I've just been complimented or insulted.
I don't feel like it's one or the other.
I think that that's a deeply kind of uncomfortable thing where I was trying to figure out how to structure this episode and then kind of went like, well I'll just ask Jack what he remembers and we'll just kind of go from there and hope that the younger listeners either are not too bored by it or learn how to Google.
Okay, Michelle Malkin.
I know that she is a blogger and a journalist.
I know that she's done a lot of stuff.
Journalist in quotes.
Journalist in heavy quotes, yeah.
I know that she's been on Fox News a lot, she's talked to Sean Hannity a lot, people like that.
She's the product of the right-wing libertarian free market think-tank system.
I know that she's an Asian-American.
I don't know her specifics on that.
And I know that she got in trouble recently.
I think with CPAC because, or maybe organised that including CPAC or like that, because she started making overt sort of linkages with Fuentes and the Gruypers and neo-Nazis and people like that, and making Holocaust denial adjacent noises.
Yeah, we're going to get into that for sure.
Yes, definitely.
So she did the unforgivable.
I'm sure she'll be forgiven.
But she did the unforgivable and kind of revealed that the difference between the outright Nazi right-wing, Holocaust-denying, fascist right-wing in America and the Fox News mainstream respectable CPAC right-wing in America in places and at times is basically the width of a gnat's pube.
Do gnats have pubes?
No, gnats do not have hair.
Ah, the scientist speaks.
Yeah, no, that's a really good place to start from because you are both absolutely correct and there's very little meat on those bones so there's a lot to kind of fill in here.
She's also a Candace Owens type person in that her ethnicity is used, or rather she is used because of her ethnicity.
She's one of these people that, well, she can't be racist because, look, she's whatever she is.
And so she gets away with mouthing very racist right-wing talking points from that positionality and they use her as a kind of stalking horse.
She's of that type as well.
Oh, there's a thing I'm going to get to here in a minute and you're going to probably kick yourself because you either remembered it or forgot it for this until I mentioned it.
Or you will have completely missed it and you will absolutely hate this woman until the end of your days, which you should anyway.
I know enough about her.
Trust me, I know enough already.
So I was someone who was, you know, kind of following American politics in the 2000s and sort of like, you know, kind of following the right wing, kind of understood kind of who the figures were.
Michelle Malkin was always sort of the, she was seen as sort of a second tier Ann Coulter in a way.
Who got to be like as you say more overtly racist Because she was willing to because because she is not white.
More overtly racist than Ann Coulter.
Yes, yes like Ann Coulter when Ann Coulter couldn't quite get to the absolute most racist talking point Michelle Malkin could just go there.
So let's just let's just reveal this here the thing that most people know about her is actually the fact that she wrote a book and In 2004, let me see if I can... She's written lots of books with awful titles.
She's written seven books.
So, in 2004 she wrote a book called In Defense of Internment.
Ah, yes, of course, I do.
Yeah, I'm kicking myself now.
She defended Japanese internment.
And she recommended something similar for Muslims during the War on Terror.
That's exactly the lens through which to view this.
So, Michelle Malkin, who's... I looked... I know her birth name.
Malkin is her husband's last name.
Her husband is 100% Ashkenazi Jewish.
That's going to come back up again shortly.
But, you know, she has a very... Normally I'd be very suspicious of podcasts where the host, you know, mentions somebody and then immediately says, he's Jewish, but there is a, there is a, there is a genuine non-malignant context.
No, no, no, not because, not because I'm going to say he's terrible because he's Jewish, obviously, but because that's going to feed into the way that the community around her views her.
Yes.
And the way that she gets to, there's some interesting stuff here, but she wrote a book called In Defense of Interment.
So this is from a archive.org link from her website talking about In Defense of Interment and kind of why she wrote it.
And I'm just going to read this bit here.
This will be good.
In defense of internment provides a radical departure from the predominant literature of civil liberties absolutism.
It offers a defense of the most reviled wartime policies in American history, the evacuation, relocation, and internment of people of Japanese descent during World War II.
In quotes, or in parentheses here, three separate actions which are commonly lumped under the umbrella term internment.
In parentheses.
My book is also a defense of racial, ethnic, religious, and nationality profiling.
Again, parentheses, widely differing measures that are commonly lumped under the umbrella term racial profiling.
In parentheses.
Now being taken or contemplated during today's war on terror.
I was compelled to write this book after watching ethnic activists, historians, and politicians repeatedly play the World War II internment card after the September 11th attacks.
The Bush administration's critics have equated every reasonable measure to interrogate, track, detain, and deport potential terrorists with the racist and unjustified World War II internment policies of President Roosevelt.
To make amends for this quote-unquote shameful blot on our history, Both Japanese American and Arab Muslim American activists argue against any and all uses of race, ethnicity, nationality, and religion in shaping current homeland security policies.
Misguided guilt about the past continues to hamper our ability to prevent future terrorist attacks.
Let me put this in a couple of sentences.
She literally wrote a book defending, in a kind of legalistic way, the use of internment of Japanese Americans during World War II, which is seen rightly as one of the kind of worst crimes in domestic policy under In the United States domestic policy during the 20th century, I believe.
Yeah.
It's completely indefensible.
She wrote a book defending this policy specifically so that you could then use it as a sort of rhetorical response to create racial profiling against Arab Americans in the United States and in terms of the war on terror during the Bush administration.
That's the explicit goal.
She told you right there.
It was on her website.
There it is.
She tells you what she's doing.
Now, I have not read this book.
Just to be clear here, Michelle Malkin is not a lawyer.
Ann Coulter is at least a lawyer.
So when she's making legal arguments, at least she has that fig leaf to cover herself.
Michelle Malkin is not a lawyer.
Michelle Malkin has a degree in English.
She's been a journalist, quote unquote journalist, her entire career.
She has no legal education on this.
There's no reason that she could write this book and have any kind of like actual legal argument.
There's no reason to take her seriously on any level.
But this is what she this is literally the thing that she's doing.
And this is the thing that, of course, in culture can't do because Michelle Malkin is a Filipino-American.
Michelle Malkin's parents arrived in the U.S.
Her father was a medical student at the time, and he came in on a student visa, I believe, and her mother was a schoolteacher.
She was born a few months after they arrived in 1970, so either she was, her mother was pregnant when they came, I don't know the exact date that they came, either her mother was pregnant at the time, or she's deceived very shortly after they arrived here.
Yeah.
Michelle Malkin.
And I don't want to like, this is a racist term, but it's a term that like gets you, you know, she is the embodiment of the anchor baby.
She is the embodiment of like birthright citizenship.
Her parents had no connection to the United States until they arrived here.
And, you know, made a life for themselves.
I, I, maybe they're decent people.
I, I, I have no way of knowing one way or the other.
Like, I have no, I, I tried to kind of Google a bit, you know, kind of the family history, if there's any kind of knowledge about who they were, and I, I couldn't really find anything, you know, kind of quickly.
Maybe they're pretty, perfectly decent people who produced an absolute, like, shithead of a daughter.
Um, but, uh, regardless, uh, Michelle Malkin is a first generation American who was literally the first, You know, literally born a few months after her parents arrived here, who has American citizenship by dent of birthright citizenship, and she actively argues against birthright citizenship.
Yeah, that's right.
I remember that.
She is actively, vocally against birthright citizenship.
For decades at this point.
There is always the question, like someone like Ann Coulter, who was You know, kind of saw which way the winds were blowing and maybe kind of moved from this kind of neoconservative to paleoconservative, kind of moved from pro-war to anti-war and pro-Trump as, you know, kind of, she kind of understood it would kind of make her career better.
Malkin has been pounding on this anti-immigration drum since at least 2002.
She has been syndicated on VDARE since 2002.
VDARE is named, is the website founded by Peter Bremelow.
A virulently anti-immigration website.
VDare is an image for Virginia Dare, who was the first white child born in what is now the United States.
And, you know, just pretty much overt Nazi shit.
I mean, you know, this is not like, oh, this is a white nationalist, white supremacist website.
And Malkin has been syndicated over there for almost two decades at this point.
So you can't say she hasn't come back, honestly.
So that degree of separation, you know, that's always been very thin.
She's always sort of flitted back and forth between Fox News on the one hand and CPAC, and then on the other hand, VDARE and Brimelow and stuff like that.
It's just when she started being a bit too open about it that she got into trouble.
Well, it's funny how much she kind of fell out of the public spotlight.
Like, she was a regular contributor to, like, Fox News and O'Reilly's show until about 2007.
That's right, yeah.
She was an O'Reilly interlocutor, wasn't she?
She had kind of a personal conflict, I think, with O'Reilly over...
He failed to sufficiently defend her against Geraldo Rivera and some bullshit, I don't know.
I saw it on her Wikipedia page and I was just like, well that sounds like a whole bunch of nonsense that I don't need to know about because it happened 13 years ago.
Gee, what a triangle.
Michelle Malkin, Bill O'Reilly, Geraldo Rivera.
Geraldo Rivera.
Wow.
But, you know, she is someone who, you know, kind of has been kind of a stalwart on Sean Hannity here and there.
I mean, even even to this day or not to this very day, but, you know, up until 2019, she regularly attended CPAT.
She spoke at CPAC in 2019 and several other years.
She has always been on that kind of within that kind of conservatism bubble what they what they on the kind of far right call conservatism inc.
She's within that sort of like kind of corporate conservatism, this kind of like big money conservatism, like within the, inside the club, inside the, you know, inside the, the, you know, where the fire is warm kind of, um, place within it.
But she's also been kind of on that kind of edgy.
I'm the one who'll say things that none of the rest of you get to say because, you know, my gender, my ethnicity, allow me to kind of like say certain things.
But I do believe she comes about the anti-immigration stuff, honestly.
She's been at it too long and been too aggressive about it for it to be opposed.
There's always been this question about, like, do they actually believe the things that they say, or is this kind of just what they do for money?
And I think the anti-immigration stuff, I think she does actually believe this material, just because she's been at it for far too long and has been really, really virulent about it, and has really kind of done it in ways that made her, like, unpopular among, like, the people who would sign her checks.
She has written, at least some of her books have been published by Regnery, which is, if you remember the press, the family that has supported Richard Spencer for so many years and kind of gave some of the original seed money to the alt-right, the origins of it.
And to this day are kind of big funders of like Newsmax and all this stuff.
So we're seeing this sort of fringy edge to this sort of within the beltway far right.
So it's sort of like, you know, able to kind of go to the same parties, but sort of being the black sheep at that party, as opposed to the sort of like overt Nazis who don't get invited to the party.
Right?
Yeah.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
So this is who Michelle Malkin is.
But of course, the black sheep at the party the Nazis don't get invited to, she can go to the parties thrown by the Nazis.
Well, and this gets interesting because I'm going to just highlight a couple of things here before we get back to what you just said, just to kind of give you a little bit more of the background on her background.
Sort of an idea of her background.
There is a piece at this website called GoldSea, Michelle Malkin the Radical Rights Asian Pitbull, which appears to be a sort of like buy-in for Asian Americans website, kind of like highlighting various people who are within like kind of public prominence in the Asian American community.
Um, it's a very old-fashioned website.
I felt like it was 1999 all over again navigating it.
Um, but, uh, and I'm not gonna, like, I don't know the website and I don't know sort of its, but I know, you know, I read this article and, uh, it's worth kind of going through to kind of get her background, to kind of get the, the sense of kind of who this woman was.
And this was, um, this was written in, I think, like 2004, 2005, some, You know, kind of at her heyday, really, at the kind of high point of her fame.
And it does a lot of the sort of resources for like who she was and kind of who her parents are and that sort of thing kind of comes out of this one piece.
It's probably worth looking at.
She was, you know, she was a journalist.
She wanted to be a pianist.
She turns into an English major at a certain point.
She goes to Oberlin.
It kind of describes how she marries her husband who was also involved in far-right politics.
And kind of got invited into the money group, kind of got like, you know, and this is part of the thing is like, you know, if you want to like get to be like a high-powered lawyer or a high-powered like kind of person within sort of like left of center kind of democratic politics, you know, kind of commentary at.
You kind of have to be really, really good, because there are a whole lot of people at sort of Ivy League schools who are fighting for those same spaces, right?
And so that's not to say that they are actually as brilliant as they think they are, but like you've got to really kind of put in the effort.
You've got to really be the right kind of person.
Whereas on the right wing, because so few people kind of go to these institutions, and go through this kind of process who are right-wing conservatives just for sociological reasons, they really do kind of have to reach deep into the bench in kind of a complicated way, right?
In order to kind of find people who are, you know, sort of like willing to kind of go out there and be this kind of person.
And, um, Malkin definitely feels like, you know, uh, somebody who, she got some experience.
She worked at, like, the Seattle Times, I think.
She worked in L.A.
for a while as sort of a journalist.
Um, I didn't look at, kind of, her pieces at that time.
Um, from what I understand, she's not kind of overtly political.
She really is just kind of acting as a journalist at that time.
And then sort of, again, kind of gets involved through her husband, arguably, In these kind of right-wing circles, I mean, the CEI and the Rand Corporation and a lot of these kind of other shadowy far-right libertarian groups seem to kind of groom her.
I definitely remember reading that she came up through one of the millions upon millions of non-profit right-wing libertarian think tanks.
Right, the AEI has funded her.
I mean, it's clearly kind of one of those You know, she's one of those people.
And I mean, it is like one of those things.
And she's also one of these people that sort of suddenly gets a syndicated column out of nowhere, isn't she?
Right.
Rather suspiciously.
Exactly, exactly.
And you know, again, you know, not to say that there isn't like kind of sick of fancy and like scratch your back on the on the quote unquote, the left.
Of the American media system.
Sorry, we have to laugh about that on this podcast, that someone, you know, that many of these people can be considered, in any sense, on the left.
The left, yeah.
You know, Rachel Maddow, like, hardcore leftist, right?
But, you know, Rachel Maddow is a legitimately talented, brilliant person who is like, you know, to beat out a whole lot of other people to get to where she is today.
Michelle Malkin didn't so much.
Rachel Maddow is, as you say, a genuinely talented person.
She's good at what she does, let's put it that way.
Whereas people like Michelle Malkin strike you consistently with their crudeness, don't they?
And yet they do rise to the top within this reactionary ecosystem.
And I'm sure there is a lot of cultivation that goes on.
Right, absolutely.
I mean, people do get groomed for these positions.
There is a sort of sense of, like, you kind of get plucked out.
You met the right person.
You shook the right hand.
You did what you had to do.
And then suddenly you're golden.
You get to be part of the club.
Yeah.
You're making PragerU videos.
Yeah, I don't know if Malkin's in a prayer gear, I should have looked for that.
Another bit here, I'm just going to move on and talk a little bit more about her origins.
So Book Notes is this show that's on C-SPAN, and so a real barn burner of an interview here, as you can understand.
She did write a book in 2002 called Invasion, How America Still Welcomes Terrorist, Criminals, and Other Foreign Menaces to Our Shores.
I've got a link to this transcript of this interview in the show notes.
And it goes to her origin stories, because this is her first book.
And she says, why did I write my book?
Well, September 11th was obviously a galvanizing event for me.
Seeing the lapses in our immigration system that allow the September 11th hijackers to come in, exploit our weak enforcement, work underground and live here comfortably.
And that is a theme that I've been talking a lot about over my career in journalism for more than a decade.
I started out in Los Angeles and it's hard to ignore the negative consequences of lax immigration enforcement when you're in the middle of it in Los Angeles.
So over the years, you know, I've written a number of stories about so many aspects of the immigration system from top to bottom.
The front door, the back door, the side door.
And then there's the personal aspect of it too.
I'll often talk about how I myself am the child of legal immigrants who came here from the Philippines.
And one of the themes that I've always talked about is something that they've reminded me of almost every day since I was old enough to understand it.
So in this context, she's talking about, like, we were legal immigrants.
in this country and ultimately citizenship in this country is an absolute privilege and it ought not to be treated as some sort of natural right or entitlement but over the years our immigration system has has abandoned that principle and that's how we find ourselves with so many problems that we're dealing with today um so in this context she's uh talking about like we were legal immigrants she's definitely differentiating legal and illegal immigration um and she's framing her opposition to
In terms of the larger context of that interview, it kind of comes from two places.
One is that terrorists like Muslims, brown people, are coming over the border from Mexico.
So they're entering Mexico and then coming up illegally from Mexico into the United States in order to commit acts of terror.
To my knowledge, that has never been verified to have happened.
I don't think there's ever been a case of that happening.
Yeah.
So, in fact, like the 9-11 hijackers came in on like work visas and student visas and shit.
Exactly.
So that's never been a thing.
But also, she's differentiating here between legal immigration and illegal immigration, which is something that...
Our kind of like white nationalist friends that we cover on this show are much less cognizant.
They're much less willing to sort of differentiate between these two things.
And that's going to come back here in a minute.
But yeah, that's that's how she describes her origin story.
She describes it that way.
Many times I kind of found a lot of interviews with her where she kind of describes it just like that around, you know, over the years.
And it is interesting that like 9-11 Going back to our former most famous subject, Sam Harris, you know, also was like, well, I started being really racist towards Muslims after September 11th, and Michelle Malkin's thing is I got really racist against Mexicans after September 11th, you know?
So it's the even dumber version, right?
Like, you know, as bad as Sam Harris was.
This is a fake connection in Harris' case.
No, I almost brought up our Sam in the context of the racial profiling defence.
You can tell, listening to her origin story, as you call it, rather charmingly, you can tell why that's catnip to a certain kind of conservative.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
I mean, and she is, she was, like, you know, so much of the, like, kind of appeal of these people is, like, kind of, quote-unquote, triggering the libs, right?
And there is, and even before that language, it was kind of this, like, they used to call it Bush derangement syndrome, that if you were a liberal, if you were left of center in the, you know, sort of following the news, like, everything that Bush did, you just, like, you know, like, And you're irrationally angry at the most basic things that any reasonable person would do.
And now, of course, they call that Trump derangement syndrome.
And there was Obama derangement syndrome on the other side there.
But the first time it really got defined was Bush derangement syndrome.
Which is ironic, because there was certainly Clinton derangement syndrome.
Our friend Ann Coulter we've just been talking about, she is absolutely a product of that.
Oh, she built her career on like that.
Her first book was like... She was one of the elves!
She was arguing in favor of the Clinton impeachment and kind of like lent like huge, you know, not even before the Monica Lewinsky stuff kind of came out, she wrote a book like High Crimes and Misdemeanors.
And it was all this kind of like weird, it is like of all the terrible things that Bill Clinton did, like You know, like, the Chinagate stuff, like, you know, oh, there's some conspiracy that he sold, you know, like, weapon secrets to the Chinese for campaign funds and that kind of, like, just, like, complete, like, maybe there's something there, but, like, I don't know, like, it's just so, like, nothing compared to, you know, the actual things that Bill Clinton did badly.
Which of course the reason that they can't talk about those things is because they agree with most of those things So this is Malkin kind of over the years and after as we said earlier after the kind of the Bush administration ended She really stops being as kind of useful within this kind of right-wing media She writes a few books.
She writes a couple of books about Obama and kind of the terrible things that Obama did and She kind of falls out of sight.
I think the real thing that, like, myself and, you know, a lot of other people who kind of, like, follow, you know, right-wing media from the left is just kind of like, well, where did Michelle Malkin go?
That's sort of, like, the big moment.
Yeah, the War on Terror years were definitely her heyday.
Oh yeah, definitely, definitely.
Because she was useful by a segment of the right-wing to sell these wars, and that was her thing.
And she was absolutely essential to selling these wars.
I was hesitant as to whether to include this or not because it could be perceived as me being sexist or whatever by including it.
But Malkin, some of her first pieces, the first kind of written pieces that went viral in kind of the early, like 2001, were like attacks on Britney Spears and women kind of like Being overtly sexual in music videos and such.
And Michelle Malkin has always traded on the fact that she is very conventionally attractive.
I mean, you know, she just has that, you know, going for her.
You know, I had an ex-girlfriend, you know, at the time, who was like, oh, who is she?
She's cute.
And I'm like, she is the most horrifying reactionary right-wing person imaginable.
And she's like, aww.
It was, it was kind of adorable.
Um, you know, but, uh, yeah, no, it's, it's, uh, it's kind of one of those, uh, one of those things.
Um, she did a, uh, probably again, kind of the, one of the big things that people remember if they remember that era is, uh, she did a, um, video, uh, and she was also somebody, uh, we're not going to get into the details of her history, but she does have kind of a legitimately fascinating history of like being one of the early like vloggers and one of the early kind of versions of kind of like,
She built a blog and then she built like a kind of a video brand she was on this kind of like on this kind of right-wing circuit back when like doing a pre-youtube like putting up a video 10-minute video took like several hours to upload and it like didn't really have a big distribution that works but they were trying to do sort of video right-wing content Very early, very early on and she was one of the founders of this thing called Hot Air, which was this thing on kind of the right-wing internet, you know, Chetosphere for a while.
But she did this video called The Defeatocrats Cheer.
And it's literally Michelle Malkin in a cheerleader outfit.
Doing the give me an L, give me an O. She's spelling losers.
And it's literally like all these defeatocrats like John Kerry who want to end the war, who think it's a bad idea to continue in the war in Iraq because they're just losers who don't know how to win wars.
So the idea that she was not like highly invested in Uh, the war in Iraq and she did not spend a lot of her time defending the policies of the kind of new conservative wing of this party who are now this sort of like grouper movement called Conservatism Inc.
and within this sphere called Conservatism Inc.
Um, degradingly, um, she's definitely massaging her past these days in order to kind of stay in these circles, um, to be clear.
Yeah.
She was a big, big cheerleader for the Iraq war.
Probably even more than Ann Coulter was, which is saying something.
She comes back into public notice fairly recently.
She comes back into kind of public notice fairly recently.
I mean, she went to CPAC in 2019.
She talked a lot about immigration.
I watched that speech this afternoon.
She's like, you know, I'm going to go over my time because we need to be talking about immigration more.
One 20 minute speech isn't going to do it.
And so she kind of goes on and it's just kind of...
Spewing a fairly standard kind of like far-right talking points, not really pushing away from outside of sort of the bounds of what's sort of acceptable and within this kind of like CPAC circle, but kind of being again that French, which is kind of where she's always been.
Well, end of 2019, around the time of the Groyper War, and as she describes it, she was inspired by the Groyper War, which we covered in a previous episode, and this was a moment in which Nick Fuentes fans started attending quote-unquote Conservatism Inc.
events like Charlie Kirk events and Dan Crenshaw Events and asking questions that were meant to push literal neo-nazism on You know like Why you know, is there such thing as a policy if there was a policy that would hurt?
Help America, but hurt Israel.
Would you support that policy?
You know sort of asking those kinds of questions and And, um, they start talking about, like, dancing Israelis, which is a kind of a right-wing meme.
There's this... I'm not even gonna, like, describe it here.
But anyway, this is a moment where, uh, the Groipers, this sort of army of Nick Wintas fans, starts going to, um, right-wing events, Turning Point USA, and, you know, some of these other... these other events, and asking questions during the Q&A, which are meant to sort of push this, like, far-right, overtly, white nationalist talking points onto them and sort of force conservatives wink in some sense to answer the question and we did a whole episode about this um last year
so i'm not going to describe it in more detail than that but michelle malkin by her own speaking and i'm just going to accept that as it is for now um was apparently inspired by this and basically started to join the grippers right um and so uh nick fuentes
uh as his sort of like uh competition his sort of counter programming for cpac had created this american first pack af pack ff pack and And she spoke at AFPAC.
And I'm going to read a chunk of this.
Now, first of all, She comes up to the stage and it's like the very first thing she says is like, Oh, it's okay.
It's okay.
Mommy's here.
And the crowd like cheers at her.
Um, they see her and she, she has this kind of, Oh yes.
Oh yes.
Do you remember during like the Gambergate stuff when like Christina Hoff Summers was based mom in those, uh, within those forums?
Yeah.
There's a very similar dynamic going on here.
Like, at one point in this speech, she talks about, like, oh, I'm 50 years old.
I put a link to this in the show notes, so if you want to watch the whole speech, it is fascinating.
It is fascinating.
I hate that Gamergate makes me feel nostalgic.
When things were only as bad as Gamergate, right?
Yeah, that's right.
So I'm going to read to you a bit from the transcript.
She has the full transcript of the speech at VDARE.
I didn't verify every word of it, but it seems pretty accurate.
And just listen to her.
I really don't like that.
Mommy's here.
I wish you hadn't told me that.
I really, really don't like that.
It's deeply uncomfortable, isn't it?
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, but no e-girls, right?
Have I proved my bona fides?
I rise tonight in defiant opposition to Conservatism Inc.
and an unwavering support of America First.
Of course, in the interest of full disclosure and transparency, I must reveal to you that the number of donor-class CEOs and philanthropists that are backing me is precisely zero.
There is no Sheldon Groyper person pulling the strings.
There are no Keck brothers lurking in the background waiting to whisk me away on a private jet.
There probably is some money going to Nick Fuentes that is not coming from baseline fans.
I don't have complete confidence in that, but there's some missing money going around.
It's not in the millions, but Nick Fuentes claims to have made more than $100,000 last year.
And he's not making that off of just Super Chats and DLive lemons and shit.
Anyway, a little bit later in the speech.
The numbers, the exit polls, the stubbornly unmalleable voting preferences of the majority of amnestied and naturalized citizens, plus birthright citizenship beneficiaries and every major ethnic block all lead to one irrefutable reality.
Mass migration isn't just turning California and Virginia and Texas blue, it's turning all of America blue, and every American should be seeing red about it.
This nation under God will be a majority minority by 2045.
Yes!
Yes!
Yes you are!
Watched my book tour for Open Borders Incorporated.
That's our most recent book.
In September, the immediate response from the Soros monkeys was that I was anti-Semitic for trafficking in the Great Replacement Theory that was also believed by the Tree of Life synagogue shooter.
Already right out of the gate.
Yes.
Yes, you are.
Yes.
Yes.
Okay, hold on.
Wait.
By the way, by the way, Soros monkeys?
Fuck you!
Uh-huh, uh-huh, yep, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.
Already right out of the gate, before I even knew who Nick Fuentes was, before I even knew who Groypers were, I was being tarred as an anti-Semite.
It's become a useless, meaningless term and everybody knows it.
And that's why they're so desperate to tar all of us is that.
Hold on, wait!
It's anti-semitic to mention George Soros' billions.
It's anti-semitic to criticize the Anti-Defamation League.
It's anti-semitic to question whatever the precise number it is of people who perished in World War II.
Ding, ding, ding, ding.
It is anti-semitic for me, being married to a 100% Ashkenazi Jew, to question dual loyalties of people who are working here as agents of a foreign country.
Oh, and it is unacceptably antisemitic to point out the rank hypocrisy of people who are fiercely protective of an ethnostate and an immigration enforcement system that works, who turn around and call those of us who believe whatever our backgrounds are, who only have one homeland that they've ever known to call us, what is it now?
White majoritarianism?
I believe is the term.
That's me.
Thank you.
Here is what we all know.
Those who understand demographic reality, there is no turning back.
We know that.
1965, the Hart-Sauter Act, the Refugee Act of 1980, the 1986 Reagan amnesty, which again is being recycled and pushed right now in the halls of Congress and the White House, the 1990 Immigration Act that's created H-1B, and the Diversity Visa Lottery, plus more than a dozen other many amnesties, distinctions, and waivers.
There is no turning back.
This is, and I hope you and the listeners have been listening long enough to know, this is literally a vomiting out of Fash the Nation talking points from like 2017, 2016.
This is, you cannot, like, there's more density.
It's a checklist.
It's like a fucking checklist.
And the moment when she says, like, you know, she literally goes like, boys and girls, but no e-girls, right here.
Have I proved my bona fides?
Because there's this big, you know, at the moment, and even now, there's this big kind of like meme of like never trust the e-girls, by which they mean like women who are in like sex work or sex work adjacent selling pornography through OnlyFans or whatever.
And other kind of related things, they use it to mean like, you know, women who Twitch live stream games, but do so.
And if they're attractive, then it's like, oh, you're not really a gamer.
You're just doing so.
But no e-girls, right.
That means she knows even those memes.
Like this is literally a straight down thing.
Sheldon Groyper person.
Sheldon Groper person is a relative.
That's Sheldon Adelson, the, like, you know, Jewish financier who is, like, deep in the bowels of the Trump administration, who's been feeding so much money to Trump.
who basically funded the inauguration rally back in 2017.
And his fingers were all over the place.
Yeah.
And it's constructed to let her audience know that she knows their stuff.
Oh, they cheered many times during this.
If you watch the actual video, especially right after that bit where she's like the number of precise victims of World War II, they know exactly what she means.
They know exactly what she means.
And she knows they know.
Because she knows it's an applause line.
And she stops just long enough to get it out there, but not long enough that she can ever be actually called for it.
Oh Yeah, yeah.
And the reason, I mean, it's not off limits to discuss the exact number of victims.
Respectable historians do that all the time.
What she means is, she's talking about Holocaust denial.
She's talking about how do you bake six million cookies?
Yeah, that's exactly what she's talking about.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah.
We're running, I mean, you know, there's one other speech.
I don't have, like, a quote from this because there wasn't a transcript that I could just kind of pull out and read to you.
And I would highly recommend watching that AFFPAC speech.
It is a pretty fascinating kind of look into exactly what's kind of going on in this right-wing movement.
But she also appeared on this show, Red Ice.
Technically, she appeared on Radio 314, which is – so Red Ice is this – God, we're going to have to do an episode on Red Ice soon.
It's this basically kind of conspiracy-mongering website.
It kind of starts off that way and then gets kind of increasingly white nationalist as it kind of goes on.
Nowadays, it's pretty explicitly white nationalist, but it does sort of like maintain that slight kind of one foot outside of that circle and sort of like more kind of conspiracy infowars kind of things.
But the two people who run that, Lana Lockiff is the person who does Radio 314, and Heinrich Pongren is the guy who runs Red Ice.
I mean, they're a married couple, and they sort of run both together, but Radio 314 is sort of her show that she does, and Malkin appeared on that.
And, um, does not quite go to Holocaust denial.
Does not quite go there.
But absolutely starts talking about, like, Jewish influence, and does, like, kind of the Jew voice, although she does it more like Kermit the Frog.
I mean, she knows all the memes.
She is absolutely 100% involved in this thing at this point.
She has a Telegram channel.
I checked it this afternoon.
She chats with Nick Fuentes all the time.
This is a thing.
And so she's part of this kind of larger thing where this America First Nick Fuentes stuff is merging more and more with the American Identity Movement, which is the thing that grew out of the rump of Identity Europa.
Yeah.
And we're going to do an episode about those guys at some point.
Um, but, uh, I think what's important here and what I kind of want to leave people with is that, um, it's not that, like, Michelle Malkin is, like, kind of particularly important in herself.
I mean, she's clearly kind of, like, uh, taking up this moment and kind of giving it oxygen and kind of giving it room, uh, to breathe, um, out of, I think, a legitimate, like, ideological agreement with them.
Um, I think she actually believes this stuff.
But also as a way of flagging her trailing career, right?
You're anticipating the question I was about to ask, so go on.
But because she's such a big name, because she's such a person who has been kind of within these, you know, like neoconservative, conservatism, quote unquote circles for 25 years.
And she has kind of like a legitimate sort of like street cred.
The fact that she's aligned with these guys and the fact that like the American identity movement is now sort of pushing more towards kind of integrating with this sort of more alt-right kind of edgy, but not quite overtly, you know, ethnic cleansing, racist kind of thing.
It's a way of kind of like navigating the brand.
It's a way of kind of getting more involved into more respectable places within this sort of far-right community.
And we know, we've talked on many episodes of the show about like people who have these kinds of far-right white nationalist beliefs, who are deeply invested within these kind of like moneyed circles of, you know, the right, you know, marginalized.
Michael Thompson, aka Paul Kersey, we did a whole episode on him, this guy Matthew Q. Gerber, who we're going to have to come back to at some point, who was
Coach Finstock and he's currently doing a show not technically part of the The Right Stuff The Daily Show Network but might as well be given the amount of you know crossover that kind of happens there and he was like kind of deep in that and he was a guy who came out of the fucking State Department who was revealed his identity was revealed and he had to resign but like that's only because his identity was revealed it's not like he's not the last one I promise you right?
And so what we're seeing here is this kind of increasing willingness of the sort of vaguely mainstream, not seen within the confines of, you know, sort of within the mainstream media kind of lens.
As overt Nazis, as overt white supremacists or white nationalists, being able to push those talking points into the culture by being more and more accepted as sort of like the fringe of the inside circle.
And it's absolutely an infiltration tactic, you know?
And it's very much worth pointing out.
That this is happening and It's just gonna infect the entire right wing.
It's just it's just it's just gonna have it's just that's just what's happening, you know Yeah, and she she got into a lot of trouble in sort of mainstream conservative So she she was fired from this thing.
She was doing the Young Americans for Freedom which is a kind of Reaganite kind of you know, like low taxes mainstream conservative group and She had worked with him for a number of years and had, um, and basically once he started embracing Nick Fuentes openly, um, they, they cut ties with her.
Um, which is kind of what happens when, you know, you say the one step over the line, wrong thing.
They just sort of go like, Oh no, we can't let an actual racist in here.
Well, I mean, not to get into another huge topic, but the sticking point is Israel, really.
Because if you're going to be a mainstream, certainly if you're going to be a neoconservative, which is where she's been, or a mainstream conservative in Washington, or indeed in mainstream politics at all in Washington, you've got to be pro-Israel.
And she talks a lot.
This whole thing of dual loyalty and this sort of thing.
Oh, in certain other countries, you know, the Chinese get to be Chinese, the Israelis, Israeli Israelites get to be Jewish.
It's, you know, there's always that example kind of comes in and she's constantly using examples that like explicitly name Israel without some of saying, she doesn't go full Kevin Macdonald, right?
She doesn't go full, you know, and they have a genetic propensity to, you know, defend their in group, et cetera, et cetera.
So like it's seen as like, more respectable she can kind of frame it as sort of like cultural or religious matter but ultimately that's you know it's the dance they do to avoid overtly saying the thing that they actually want to say it's all code and the listeners understand that and the listeners understand that oh yeah yeah But, you know, and I want to make it clear when I say if you want to be in mainstream politics in Washington, you have to be pro-Israel.
That's not because I'm saying there's some big sort of Jewish conspiracy.
It's because of complex American imperialist interests in the Middle East, etc.
And, you know, in the way American conservatism and politics has developed, it's not the big, you know, octopus.
Right.
It's the Chomsky statement of, you know, that Israel is, you know, America's largest aircraft carrier.
Well, I thought that was us.
Yeah, well, you know, he had a statement to that effect.
The reason that American foreign policy cares about Israel is because we have so many, you know, it's completely based on foreign policy.
That is oversimplified, but it's way more true than it turns out the Jews are controlling America from the inside, you know?
Yes, yeah.
No, I mean, I trust our listeners to know that that's not what I meant, but I just wanted to be clear on it, because I don't think you can be too clear on these things.
No, no, I agree.
But if she's going to stand up in front of, you know, AFPAC and use Israel as an example of an ethnostate, and thus implicitly, you know, it's a deeply ambiguous statement, but it's kind of... That's not even ambiguous in that context.
I mean, you know...
It's ambiguous what kind of poisonous bullshit she's going for, because is she using it to advocate a white American ethnostate?
That's a bit odd, given her ethnicity.
Is she pro-ethnostate?
She describes herself as a white majoritarian, meaning I believe that the United States should be majority or supermajority white, so 90-95% white.
But there should be some small percentage of non-white people who get to be like part of the club because, you know, we consider ourselves Americans.
And of course, you know, there's no sense of like, so how many of your family members are you going to deport or murder?
Yeah.
And, you know, there are certainly people within that little fan club.
who are, you know, her brains are going to get, you know, spread against a wall come that day just as quickly. - Yeah, which is a weird kind of bounce back from all the imperialism she's facing when she, you know, defends internment and defends racially profiling Muslims and defends the war on terror.
And I mean, the history of the United States and the Philippines, for instance, if you don't talk about that, that's an incredible story of violent imperialism.
But, you know, I'm not saying I want her brains to be up against the wall, but if they ended up there, that would kind of be the bounce back of her own silence about a river of blood.
But, yeah, no, if she's going to stand up and make comments You know, invoking Israel to kind of, sort of, defend a white ethno-state and kind of, sort of, deny the Holocaust or at least joke about it.
That's going to put her very much beyond the pale for a lot of people in mainstream conservatism in Washington.
So is she sort of hoping to make the Fuentes-style conservatism her new home?
I think she's seeing this sort of like America First Fuentes style thing as kind of the new big thing.
Yeah.
It's sort of like this is where the growth is.
And this is, you know, and there is a thing of like maybe she believes that maybe it's a grift to sell books and maybe it's, you know, like she, you know.
So far she has not kind of gone really out there and sort of like explicitly saying, like Red Ice is still considered to be sort of on that like kind of more friendly normie tier kind of material.
Like she's not.
Hanging out with Richard Spencer.
She's not like going on the Daily Show where they probably wouldn't let her on anyway But like she's not quite kind of going that far Yet like a lot of them.
She's trying to corner both markets at once.
It sounds like well, it's Ultimately, I think that the real thing that she's doing and I don't know again what's going on in the heart of hearts and kind of what the moves that they're planning on is but I Nick Fuentes clearly is trying to, like, not only, I mean, you know, I was kind of dismissive of Fuentes when we did the initial episode about him and James Alsop.
I was kind of like, yeah, this kid's going to kind of fade away.
He's kind of a loser.
Like, nobody cares.
He has real talent at this.
He has real talent at, like, kind of pushing this agenda and kind of pushing this thing.
And he gets a lot of disrespect from other people within this space, but he's actually much more successful than they are.
And this is kind of getting to be a thing.
It is a bit baffling because he's so odious.
But he's very good on his feet.
There was an episode of Knowledge Fight, which I don't always listen to because it's a lot of material.
This is the Info Wars.
Alex Jones.
It's not an Alex Jones podcast, it's a podcast about Alex Jones.
Right, it's a podcast about Alex Jones.
But it's like they produce like six to eight hours of material a week and I've got other things.
I've got worse people to follow.
Yeah.
You're doing great, guys.
I really love the show.
I just can't tune in all the time.
I just don't have the time for it.
No, I'm the same.
I'm subscribed in Podbean, but I listen to like one episode in six.
Yeah, yeah.
I probably don't even do that much, honestly.
I've got so much other stuff to kind of go through.
But their March 1st 2020 episode talks about Alex Jones at CPAC.
He did a live show and Nick Fuentes came in as sort of like an invited guest and absolutely crushed Alex Jones.
And now has this sort of like, um, like crushed him in the sense of just being more popular than him.
And Alex Jones is suddenly like the small man on the stage next to this like 21 year old Nazi, right?
And that's what Nick Flint is doing.
And that's what's kind of going on with this Michelle Malkin thing and whether Michelle Malkin is sort of like.
a willing participant or whether he's kind of maneuvering her.
I mean, I don't think that I think she knows exactly what she's doing.
I'm not going to take her agency away on this.
She knows exactly what audience she's reaching for.
There's no way you can give that speech and not know what you're talking about.
Yeah.
I think that speech reveals that she's a pretty canny operator, Right.
Well, I mean, it's the same thing that kind of, and I'm trying to kind of wrap the episode up, but it's the same thing that kind of I run into when, like, Nazis get in my DMs and Nazis listen to this podcast and go like, you know, all our memes, like, you know, you speak our language, but you disagree with us.
Right.
Michelle Malkin is someone who has been within that sort of like the beast of neoconservatism for a quarter century and speaks their memes.
And therefore she has this kind of unique ability to reach out to them and to bring them Into sort of a more mainstream place and Yeah, it's this kind of unholy alliance that's happening right now and particularly with this with the coronavirus and with this Moment in history and with an election coming up in like six months, you know We've got an election where we get to choose between
Joe Biden and Donald Trump, apparently.
Which is gonna be great.
It's gonna be great.
I'm not talking about that.
I am not talking about that.
It's gonna be a very, very immediate version of the thing where the election kills a great many people.
I mean, this time the actual process of holding the election is going to kill a lot of people.
God, yeah.
Who knows what the number of dead looks like in November?
We need to wrap up.
This is getting really dark.
Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, no, that's why I thought this was important to cover, and I'm, yeah, that's where we are.
And we will definitely come back to Nick Fuentes many more times.
He is the most important single person in this movement right now, by a considerable margin.
Rather unexpectedly, that is true.
So we will come back to Nick Fuentes.
OK, so that was episode 50.
Thanks for listening again.
Daniel and I should be back again within the next two weeks, hopefully.
Do you know what we're talking about next time, Daniel?
I'm so kind of flying by the seat of my pants on this.
I've got a pretty weird special episode that I think I'm going to try to produce in the next week or two, because the Showa boys are telling lies about me, and I think it's time to actually let people listen.
To some of what they have to say about me and what audio I have from them talking about worldwide extermination because they're pretending they never said that.
And I think it's so I might do a solo episode and just like play some clips and let people make their own decisions.
So I think that's going to be actually the next episode and I have no idea what's going after that.
But we'll we'll find something something fun and depressing to talk about for sure.
Okay, so that was episode 50.
As I said, thanks for listening and yeah, goodbye and stay well, everybody.
Oh no, I forgot.
There's something else I wanted to say.
As of our recording today, there is a YouTube, a new YouTube video that's been put up by a really good up-and-coming left-wing, I suppose, YouTuber called Rad Sheba.
He's a really interesting guy, really, really great.
He's put a couple of videos up already, both of which are already good, but he's put one up today which is called COVID-19 and the Left.
And I helped him out a little bit with that.
I provided a voice.
I read a quote for him.
So if you want to hear my dulcet tones, do a little cameo, I'm in the video.
But it's a really good video.
It's kind of for people who already know that they're on the Marxist left, or something adjacent to that.
And it's about quite deep questions of strategy, long-term strategy.
But it's from a really good place, a place I really agree with, because Radshiba, like myself, identifies as a Marxist humanist.
So if that is of interest to you, I strongly recommend that video.
I think it's excellent, even, you know, as I say, I'm involved in it, but apart from that.
And I'm going to put a link to it in the show notes.
So that's a little editorial note from me.
You're not allowed to recommend things.
This is my show, Jack.
Come on.
No, it's fine.
It's fine.
I control the means of production, Daniel.
He does all the back end.
I'm the hired help here.
That's the reality.
I'm not even the hired help.
I'm the volunteer.
I don't even pay him.
This is mutual aid here.
Also, it is worth saying, just to very quickly wrap up, I am aware that everyone supporting me and Jack on Patreon is really going the extra mile in terms of this era, and I've gotten a lot of really nice patrons.
There's a lot of conversation around leftist podcasts and the grift and all that sort of thing.
I'm gonna say that like I have kind of two reasons for not really doing like bonus content and that sort of thing and the first is I feel like this work is like you're you're not you're not patron and you're not being a patron of me for content you're being a patron because you think I'm doing something worthwhile and the podcast is like one little tip of that thing that I'm that I'm trying to do here And I appreciate every single dollar and every single cent that you give me.
And believe me, I am using it in good ways that you don't necessarily see.
Sometimes in ways that kind of help me personally to kind of get through this process.
And sometimes with things that, you know, are kind of directly fighting this stuff for myself.
And the other reason is because, that I don't kind of do bonus content and stuff, is because I don't ever want to feel like I am Reliant on like I'm pushing for an audience like I'm trying to make something that's going to please an audience as opposed to doing something which is Meant to do the right thing, right?
It's meant to kind of do something that will actually make a material benefit in the world.
So I don't want like sort of my financial incentives to overwhelm that.
And so you, my patrons, are like the least served people on the internet and I apologize for that.
But I thank you.
I thank you more than you could ever know.
It means so much to me.
That you've decided to support me because it really, particularly in this time, it really has made a difference and I can't say anything more than that.
Yeah, and I completely co-sign that both on Daniel's behalf.
Thank you for donating to him.
And my own, as I said earlier, I've recently, you know, I had a rough time when this whole thing started and part of what got me through it was the incredible friendship and kindness and generosity of a lot of you and, you know, not only but especially people who are who are helping me keep body and soul together by helping out my Patreon.
I am hoping to put together some patron-only stuff, some fun stuff.
Kit Power, my friend, our friend I should say, the author Kit Power, and I are planning to do some fun discussions about the Sherlock Holmes stories, which we're going to put up just on our Patreons only, just as a thank you really.
But yeah, I mean, words genuinely do fail me, to be honest.
But thank you.
And that'll be the end of Episode 50, as I've now said three times.
Well, that's the nature of this podcast.
We're incredibly unprofessional.
Nobody should pay us for this.
That's the reality.
No, no.
Do not.
Withdraw all your payments immediately, that's my advice.
Okay, don't do that.
Please don't, please don't.
No, please, please, genuinely don't do that.
Yeah, bye.
Bye.
That was I Don't Speak German.
Thanks for listening.
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