Crash Barry returns to chat with Daniel about white nationalist pipsqueak Jason Köhne AKA No White Guilt. Content Warnings, as ever. Notes/Links: Crash's Twitter: @Crash_Barry Crash's Devils and Dirtbags podcast: https://devilsanddirtbags.podbean.com Jason Kohne/No White Guilt archive at Angry White Men: https://angrywhitemen.org/?s=Jason+kohne * No White Guilt: https://nowhiteguilt.org NWG YouTube: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCkY8CvV8WQFe87CZGmvuYHA NWG Bitchute: https://www.bitchute.com/channel/zIN90ydeSNA7/
Okay, and welcome to episode 49 of I Don't Speak German, the podcast in which I usually talk to my friend Jack Graham, and he will be coming back next week because his coronavirus-related issues have been solved at least for the moment, so we'll be getting back to more regular programming pretty soon.
But we talk about terrible people, Nazis, white supremacists, genocidal racists, and you know, all that kind of shit.
Today, I'm once again joined for what should be a kind of fun, goofy, light-hearted look at a man who is trying to program people's minds with a Scientology-like cult of white supremacy, Jason Kona, aka NoWhiteGuilt, and I'm joined by a friend of the pod, Crash Barry.
Crash, say hi.
Hi, good afternoon, good evening, good morning, whatever.
And Crash came on to talk about Tom Kaczynski and I believe he has some thoughts for us and things that he's been kind of tracking down some news about Tom K. since we last did the episode.
You know, you're the one that got me to look at Tom K again because, you know, after we got done with the first Tom Kaczynski interview, the white supremacist town manager wannabe king from Maine, I really lost interest in him.
We talked about how he pivoted to COVID-19 expert and, you know, I'm like, meh, you know, boring now and I have other things going on and I'm in Maine and I'm, Um, focused on other work and then.
There are more interesting Nazis to track at a certain point.
And also there are things aside from Nazis to track.
I'd rather be, you know, cutting firewood right now than thinking about Tom Brzezinski, but you the other day tweeted something and made me, ah, so I got to go back and check in.
Even though I occasionally check in on him, but I don't really watch his live stream.
Sure.
I definitely do not check in on this man every day.
It is not worth it.
No, it isn't.
He's so bad.
He's just so not good.
He's so bad.
Right?
He's so lame.
But it shows you... Ironically, as bad as Jason Kona, aka Know What Guilt Is, our main topic of this podcast, as bad as he is, he's so much better than Tom.
Oh, without a doubt.
He's a pro.
He's like friggin' Tom Brokaw or something compared to Tom K.
And Tom K, you pointed out and we don't need to talk about it, so he has become a success though because he has like almost 5,000 Twitter followers and he has over a thousand YouTube subscribers so he's able to monetize his content now.
This is the furthest that Nazi has ever made in terms of strides for actual people following him and stuff like that.
So it shows you how many stupid people are out there because I can't believe people listen to the stuff he says.
And I could make fun of him all day about his homesteader advice and stuff like that.
But he is now able to monetize his content.
And what is it when someone gives him a tip?
What's that called?
Oh, the super chat, right?
So he gets a super chat now.
Super chats on.
Yeah.
So he hasn't even been banned from super chats, which like any self-respecting Nazi has moved on.
I was going to say D-Live, dude.
It's like he's on YouTube.
He's always a step behind.
But here's the connection.
So what you're telling me is there's a deplatforming thing that needs to happen pretty soon.
And you know, he breaks their code almost instantly in one of his live Friday night things that he does, you know, because he brings up some conspiracy about it being COVID-19, being human engineered or whatever.
But, so the whole point, the connection I just want to say to tonight's episode is that he suddenly has a sidekick who's a moderator in both the Telegram chats and on the YouTube chats and stuff.
When I see, you know, somebody new in his game, I start to do a little bit of research and So this guy, Seaver Hamlin, I doubt that's his real name, Seaver Hamlin.
I have, I do not know who this person is.
He's actually, he's the mod for Tom K and he's the mod for No White Guilt.
They share a mod.
So if that mod has COVID, in all likelihood both those guys have COVID because if you share a moderator of your chat and he's sick, I think you get sick.
Yeah, no, that's how that works, you know.
COVID over the internet.
Let's just start that meme.
So, isn't that weird?
So, like, Tom K likes to deny that he's a white... It's weird in air quotes there that, you know, there's someone willing to sit at home and moderate chats of various YouTubers.
Not much going on there.
Do you have much going on Mr. Seaver Hamlin?
Whoever you are.
And you know his tweets are hidden, but here's some tips, investigative reportorial tips for those at home.
Listening is always You can insert someone's Twitter address into the Wayback Machine and sometimes pull stuff up that way through all sorts of weird stuff.
So you go to archive.org, use their Wayback Machine, and even often when you put a Twitter handle in there it'll say this page currently exists on The internet, sometimes other kind of pass-throughs or other crawls get stuff, so I was able to read a lot of Sever Hamlin's tweets that he didn't have public.
And basically, you know, just like constant pimpin' no-white guilt, basically.
That's what he... he seems like a no-white guilt fanboy.
And I've heard No White Guilt, or I've seen No White Guilt make a reference to him as well.
So, but No White Guilt is the guy we're talking about and I thought that was a way just to bring Tom K into it because No White Guilt is in Virginia and Tom K is in Maine and they share a guy who's apparently in the Midwest.
That's all I can figure out, so.
Well, you know, we don't dox people in this podcast, but, you know, I think that might be a person that is worth taking a look at and see who else's chats he might choose.
I don't think there's much more there, Daniel.
I really don't.
I mean, I wouldn't waste my time.
I just thought it was a weird, you know, kind of like anomaly, but who knows?
I did.
I don't want you to waste your time because I already wasted 45 minutes looking that up.
Basically, that's what I'm saying.
It's like there's not much on him, he's not real, you know, so I couldn't even figure out.
Sometimes you can figure out what their names or handles mean, like you'll find a reference to like, you know, Robert E. Lee or whatever, you know.
But I just really, you know, through my intense, what I call deep googling, I wasn't able to find anything.
So I think it's just, you know some sort of puppet and you know a lot of these guys you know they it's very easy to have a puppet with no trail so dead end yeah well uh we will see uh kind of what kind of comes out of that anyway um we should move on to our to our main topic here Jason Kona aka no white guilt who has an extensive kind of youtube history and um runs a show um he does a lot of guest appearances
And I can't remember where I first kind of ran across him like it's funny that like I kind of kind of got interested in doing kind of did like some of these like kind of Second and third tier people like during this kind of process of you know, like well Jack kind of is having some issues and we need to you know, kind of produce some content and kind of like oh Yeah, it'd be really easy to just kind of
Blow through this guy like Jason Kona because like he doesn't have a huge reach and he's really funny Once you kind of understand what he's into and so I kind of approach you with this and then you were like Oh, I kind of have some some experience with this guy.
And so it was like great.
Let's do this but um, I guess uh, what's what's your I mean, I guess the main thing is, like, this is a guy who has written a couple of books, the first one kind of going free, and then the second one called, I think it's called Born Guilty.
And I think I first read across him when he showed up on James Edwards' show, The Political Cesspool, and we've done an episode about James Edwards and the Southern Nationalist crew.
But he's the guy who's actually on terrestrial radio.
So this is somebody who's been on terrestrial radio.
And in fact, he was, Jason Kona was on the show fairly recently, kind of spreading his message.
And I kind of knew him mostly from his guest appearances until I started like, oh, we're gonna do this episode, so let's start kind of digging into him a little bit further.
He has a kind of very early YouTube presence going back almost 10 years, I think.
I think it's like 2012 is when he first starts posting stuff where he's like, Seeing sitting in his car and talking about like, you know white nationalist talking points And you know what we're good in Vogue YouTube videos And now he's a kind of recording these videos Like kind of live streams that he does sitting at his desk by himself Reading super chats and making money off of it and I I
I would like to kind of get into some of his kind of kind of big picture ideology and sort of like what he's trying to do.
But I am interested in sort of like when did this guy kind of first come on your radar?
Well, I think often he just stumbled across probably because he had Tom Kuczynski on at one point.
And, but, you know, he was in my, I like how you, I think you call him third tier.
I always think of these guys as the junior varsity team, right?
Like, so he's JV.
And, you know, I've watched him, I would say probably last two years, I've probably watched him a dozen times or so.
And I did not know about the early YouTube stuff.
I had no idea he was a guy in car ones.
I love guy in car ones.
One of the first things I do when I start really kind of like prepping for these episodes, when I kind of run across these, is go back to the very earliest thing that they did.
And this is a guy who literally kind of started just kind of doing the kind of bullshit videos and then kind of graduated to this thing, but always did it on like one channel.
And they don't delete their early shit.
And sometimes you can find really interesting stuff on this.
Yeah.
I'm really excited to find out that he deletes all that early stuff.
And that's going to work out really well for you, Jason, because, you know, It was too late for me to delete that at the time that we recorded this.
Anyway, not to say that somebody decided to just archive your channel or anything, you know?
I just love guy in car stuff.
That's always the driving around thing.
And it's like, I love it when they put the blinkers on and stuff like that.
That's very funny to me.
So I didn't know he had that as a history, but it's funny how that's how you go.
That's your investigative technique, is to go back there and watch their early YouTube stuff.
I'm much more about audio, right?
So I'm looking for podcast stuff, and so I'll be searching for podcast stuff.
And I could tell from the write-up on his Amazon book, not the going free one, born guilty, Boring guilty that was the which is literally a book that has a Just to describe the cover of this book I was gonna try to read this book, but I couldn't find it for less than $25 like usually if it's like a $5 purchase
I'll kind of throw it in there and just kind of go what cost of doing business for doing this and just to kind of look at it for a Kindle version.
But and we did I did do that for for going free and I think we might kind of cover a little bit of that in this episode.
But, um, for Born Guilty, I really could not find, like, a cheap... There isn't.
I'm like, fuck this.
I am not spending $25 on this.
We're on the same page, because there's no Kindle for it, right?
So if there's no Kindle for it, I'm not gonna... I'm not gonna... First of all, I don't want them getting my address.
But secondly, I just don't want to spend that money.
And... But I knew from the write-up of it that that was the one that told his life story, right?
So I'm like, well, he's got the life story.
I don't know what it is.
Even though I've listened or watched his live streams, A lot.
Those are more his philosophical ones.
And then randomly, and honestly I tried to before it came on the show, I tried to recreate my search pattern of how I found this podcast with him on it.
And I can't actually figure it out from my history.
But that's what happens when you go down the rabbit hole sometimes.
And Well, he has described the contents of this book many times on various live streams, and so I will, I think, as we kind of move on, describe just how douchebaggy this book appears to be based on his own advertising for it on other podcasts.
So I found a podcast that he was the guest on, and the podcast was asking the question that they often ask, which is like, could you describe yourself or give a little bit about yourself for the listeners who aren't familiar with you?
So he goes into the story, and we know he's such a jabberwabber, he just talks all the time anyways.
That's what he talks, he just talks.
Anybody who can do four hour, like I really like doing podcasts with other people where there is like a kind of a conversational element and there's kind of a back and forth and these are like my favorite podcasts to listen to are kind of two people having an interesting conversation like that's kind of where I land in terms of podcasts for pleasure that's almost always where I where I land.
As someone who has done a lot of podcasting, you've done Devils in Dirtbags, which we will highly recommend.
I started listening to that, and we'll talk about that at the end of the episode.
People who can do the kind of extemporaneous, I'm sitting in front of a webcam and a microphone and talking for hours by myself.
That can be interesting for like the right person, but it can be really Really interminable depending on the content.
Yeah, and Kona kind of he's not bad again like Tom Kaczynski it's very difficult to kind of watch more than a few minutes of his show just because he's very bad at sort of Doing the basic things of like making this shit interesting for the audience and thinking ahead of time about what he's doing But Kona is like you can kind of get like a little bit of there's a little bit of a hook there like he's got that kind of radio personality a little bit Yeah, kind of.
He's milk toasty though.
He's no Chris Cantwell.
He's no Chris Cantwell in terms of delivery.
I grade on a deep curve on these things.
You have to understand.
I'm a bell curve.
So the best of the best of the people that I'm kind of like, you know, high praise for one of these like Nazi dipshits is like 20% on the like an actual radio personality.
Though you mentioned James Edwards.
James Edwards has a radio presence.
He's like a legit radio guy.
So the political cesspool is the closest.
Well and he's been doing this for like 14 years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because he is on the radio.
I've covered the political cesspool in this podcast before, but if you want to do a full takedown on James Edwards, I am fully on board with that.
We'll talk about that.
But back to Jason, right?
So he starts to spill his guts on this podcast, and I'm like, boom!
I saved the $25 because I know he's going to say everything that's in the book, right?
So here, in a nutshell, this is his early childhood developmental stuff.
I think really, if we know this, then everything that we view in the large picture of philosophical stuff makes a little more sense.
It's kind of like a psychological portrait, and thank goodness he had the willingness to talk about it.
So, basically, he was five years old, and he was in a Christian kindergarten, and the The playbook of rules for the kindergarten class was an illustrated kind of like flip book.
And in the illustrated flip book describing, you know, not to punch or hit or pull hair or whatever the rules of the kindergarten were, every aggressor or evil character was a white boy and the victims were always like black kids or girls, right?
And he noticed that, as a five-year-old, that there is this ethno-stereotyping.
Well, a lot of these guys describe that.
A lot of these guys describe that, right?
Like, oh, I discovered when I was five years old that there was this oppressive regime.
Like, this is a little, like, David Duke will come up again shortly, by the way, you know.
But David Duke kind of describes, like, he kind of discovered, like, racial politics and, like, racial science and sort of like the oppression of the white people when he was doing a... I was told to do a debate about segregation and this is David Duke in like Louisiana in 1960 I guess it would have been probably the late 50s early 60s I forget the exact year because I didn't plan to talk about this today but
We talked about this in episode two of this podcast, so you can go back and listen to that.
I just don't have the facts at hand.
But he's like, you know, I was given the pro-segregation side, and I couldn't find information on it.
And then I went and found the Council of Conservative Citizens, and they had a whole lot of books that were, like, censored from the public library sort of thing.
One of these guys kind of like tell this very similar story.
It's a creation myth, right?
Isn't that a creation myth?
If we look at like comparative religion, all of them have a creation myth.
And all the religions creation myths are kind of akin because you need a birthing story and stuff.
So the young white savant David Duke or Jason Cohen, you know, they're smarter than the rest of us, right?
So even at five years old, I was not aware of anything like that at all.
I can be blunt right now with you.
I did not have any, as a five-year-old, any philosophical ideas whatsoever.
That was above my pay grade.
As a five-year-old.
So then Jason goes on into school and he's in Northern Virginia and he is noticing in the school that there's a Martin Luther King Jr.
in his elementary school.
A Martin Luther King Jr.
mural and it's like a huge mural and how he was like protesting and telling the school administrators.
How come there isn't like Robert E. Lee or Thomas Jefferson?
You know, he wasn't trying to remove the Martin Luther King mural, but he wanted other notable Virginians in there.
And then, so then he gets up to seventh grade and he starts getting jumped all the time because they were bringing in non-whites from outer city.
How old is this kid?
He's seventh grade.
He's getting jumped all the time.
What year is this?
This is the early 90s.
This is the early 90s.
This is 91, 92, 93.
Yeah, I mean, I kind of feel like he's about my age.
He's 38.
Maybe a little bit younger than me.
38.
Okay, he's 38.
So 7th grade, he's 14.
So, like, this is 96.
Well, he's in the early 90s.
So somewhere in there, right?
So he's getting jumped.
Sure, I mean, whatever.
Because he is... But the idea that they just started having, like, African Americans in a public school in Virginia in 1996 or whatever.
Like, yeah, no, that's not.
It doesn't pass.
Especially Northern Virginia, which is diverse, right?
It's multiple.
Right.
I don't believe you.
Unless, and this also kind of feeds into, and maybe you can speak to this, he was at a deeply regressive private school that explicitly denied African Americans entry.
Public school.
Which, okay.
Which was the case and, and, um, where I grew up.
Uh, and again, I'm, I like to not reveal my, uh, exact age on this podcast because, uh, it did for doxing purposes, you know, but I am slightly older than Jason Kona and, uh, They grew up in Alabama, and that was definitely a kind of thing that we kind of ran into, you know.
Well, you know, like this.
This is what happens, you know.
Of course, he's a hero in his head for standing up for his people.
Then, this is where the first reference to the girls comes up, okay?
So, seventh, eighth grade, he's like... Are we gonna talk about misogyny?
Are we gonna talk about misogyny?
Because I have so many references to misogyny!
Well, what does that mean?
Because the girls didn't like him!
The girls didn't like him in seventh grade because he was a racist.
He was a confederate.
Okay, so then he got jumped.
So he's like hitting on chicks.
They didn't like him.
Meanwhile, the colored kids are jumping him and he's beating them all up because he's the football star.
He's the basketball star.
He's faster than a black guy.
He's like all the, like, he's amazing.
Okay.
He's amazing.
That is, it turns out, it turns out the, the, the people of color do not like me because I was.
Yes.
I was so fast.
They hated me.
And I was so much better, better football, basketball, baseball player.
So then he goes into eighth grade, okay, and he's like... I actually have a bit of a... I'm gonna read a bit from this book.
Oh yes, yes, please do.
From Going Free, that references this, and I happen to have it open on my Kindle reader here.
I was a star athlete and graduated university with highest honors.
I am an author, maverick, venturer, and researcher who has spent the equivalent of several lifetimes.
Um, just to stop here and go, I have spent the equivalent of several lifetimes?
Like, how?
Like, how?
What does that mean?
Okay.
Who has spent the equivalent of several lifetimes examining Western kinds, which in his vernacular means white people, challenges and formulating a path to the recapturing of our destiny.
Passionate about my life's quest, yet humbly aware of a man's limitations, I combed through the many disciplines, dissecting the most gifted minds and stretching the pearls of their genius.
Recognizing my dedication to our people, many venerable researchers and thinkers honored me with private meetings where I gleaned their profound accumulated wisdom.
This is how he describes the same period in his life.
There's a very famous early self-help writer, Napoleon Hill.
I don't know if you've ever run into Napoleon Hill.
He's like a, he's you know self-help but from like the 30s and he claimed to have access to lots of the greatest minds of the time period and have private interviews like Jason Cohen does with these really intelligentsia who like are so impressed that they're willing to share their secrets with him.
and influence him you know and that's it's just scam like when you say like oh i've i've consulted with the great minds who won't publicly acknowledge me that i have their wisdom it's just like it's just part of his show right so j right but get this so that back and he also like he also described like on his podcast at one point um somebody one of his callers asked him about and i kind of found this through uh the blog angry white men
I was on the right is the the kind of Twitter feed.
This is definitely a blog you should be reading and I was on the right, you know in front of the pod we can kind of say has Done quite a few kind of bits talking about Jason Kona and I'll link this in the show notes but
I just kind of found this like bit of, you know, where somebody asked Jason Kona about William Luther Pierce, who is the author of the Turner Diaries, which obviously Crash is very aware of this, but like, I think most of our listeners are probably aware, but I try to, you know, kind of emphasize this.
And Jason Kona kind of puts out the, you know, what do you think of William Luther Pierce?
And he says, like, the only question is how high the statue will be about William Luther Pierce when we win, ultimately.
And William Luther, really, the Turner Diaries is the direct inspiration for the Oklahoma City bombing, etc., etc.
And Kona kind of gets around this by saying, I recognize William Luther Pierce as a hero, or I recognize him as someone who had great ideas, except for where he is
Advocating things that are not working for white well-being which is kind of a term the kind of uses from his book or where he's Rejecting kind of legal means where I mean, this is kind of wishy-washy like, you know Yes, William was Luther Pierce is great except for where he's like kind of saying things that will get me in trouble effectively But he doesn't kind of elucidate those things.
Well, he's a dog whistler.
He's a dog whistler.
He's a dog whistler, and he's a dog whistler all the way through.
In fact, I had in my notes somewhere, I can't remember how... But he also claims to have met William William Pierce, right?
Right, yes.
- Well, we'll get to that. - William Pierce, Pierce died in 2002, which means that this guy, when he was a teenager, effectively, met William Pierce.
Yes, yes, yes.
This is it.
I believe him.
I believe him because this is what happens.
First of all, when I was talking about when He was in 7th grade and the chicks didn't like him.
And then he goes into 8th grade, and before he goes into 8th grade, he found an old jean jacket of his dad's and then sewed a confederate flag to the back of it that he bought at a reenactment.
And then goes to school in 1992 or 93 with a jean jacket with a confederate flag on it in North Virginia and became immediately unpopular beyond belief and was beat up.
Oh, wait a minute, no.
Was jumped, but he always won, you know?
So he always won.
In the mid-90s in Virginia, like, I do not believe you because I was also a teenager in the mid-90s.
Even further in the Deep South, like, yeah, no.
There's so many things that aren't believable about him, but the dog-whistling thing, I just want to say I have this quote here.
When he wants to mention the Jews, he calls it, quote, That little community that has no power whatsoever.
That's one of his, that's what his, you know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dog whistle.
So.
It's interesting how little he talks about the Jews in his book, Going Free.
It is, you know, like it's very clear from his like public persona and like sort of the way that he talks about things.
Like he understands it is kind of like this kind of optics decision.
Totally.
Where he says, You know, I know what I can and cannot say and keep my platform on YouTube.
Exactly, that's it.
Boom, he knows those rules.
He knows those rules, he keeps to those rules.
Like he doesn't even, like he won't even say bullshit.
Yeah, he says Bravo Sierra.
Bravo Sierra.
Which, because I was in the military, I was on the Coast Guard, right?
So you know the alphabet, right?
So it's like, oh, but he wasn't in the military.
So get this, this is where we're getting.
So he wore, in eighth grade, he wore the Sorry, I wasn't trying to distract you from your thing.
I was just trying to, like, inform.
So he's wearing the Confederate jacket in eighth grade, and then by the time he's 17, okay, he's, like, rejected everything.
He's rejected the church, like, he's non-Christian.
I think he thinks Jesus is cool, but, like, he's not Christian at all.
Which you will see in his cult-like religion that he's formed on his own.
We talked about his book.
Yeah, we'll get to this very shortly.
But when he was 17, he says he started joining Southern Pride heritage organizations, including some... I'm assuming he was in the Klan, okay?
So I'm assuming that he was like a junior Klansman.
And so I started, when I heard that, I kind of did some deep googling trying to figure stuff out, and that's when I figured out that he Apparently lives with his mother, okay, so he's like 30-something, 36, uh, 38.
He lives with his mother or a woman of his mother's age.
I'm not gonna say their names, obviously, but the woman is like 70-something, 72.
He's lived with this person for a long time in many Virginia addresses, okay.
They have a different last name, but they're linked through other kinfolk.
So, he is now a 38-year-old man who has been in the movement, he claims, for 20 years.
All right?
Which I completely believe.
Oh, I believe, too.
But I can't find anything from him before, you know, this kind of YouTube sensation thing.
So, there's a period of, like, a blackout.
Which only goes back to...
Which only goes back so many years like it's it doesn't go back to like his earliest days And it doesn't even go back to like kind of the earliest part of YouTube and so there is this kind of big gap in terms of kind of understanding like us you and I as Researchers kind of looking back at like kind of the earliest
Version of this guy this is kind of the thing that I kind of hate to do of Like putting out an episode about this of this podcast where I feel like I don't really fully understand The figure we're talking about in the sense of like I am not able to kind of get to the earliest thing And so if you're a listener of this podcast and you have insight for me You know where to find it Well, I think that's why I feel the same way.
Or Crash.
If you'd rather reach out to Crash, do that as well.
No, reach out to Daniel.
Crash will feed it to me.
But I feel the same way, because until I heard this podcast today, now I feel like I can fill in those blanks, because he, in his own voice, tells me that, whether they're lies or not.
So, from when he was 18 until now, he's been in the movement 20 years, he's only been public on YouTube in 2012, But what he talks about is that, you know, he's been playing these ideas in his head for a long time, and that's how they fomented into the book that we both purchased for $5, and which to me is a grift, okay?
But he... Oh, we will talk about this book.
Don't worry.
We will.
He's not... He's not...
He's not a leader like a leader of men He's like leader of like a leader of a cult, you know, like he's got a mini cult That's what I call these guys.
These guys are micro cult leaders.
Okay, and Depending on if they're the size of their cult I mean we look at the Jordan Peterson's or the Stefan Molyneux's who have mega cults, right?
These guys are micro cults Tom Kaczynski is a is a mini micro cult Right.
A nanu.
I think it might be a nanu cult.
It's funny that, like, No White Guilt is actually, like, above Tom Kaczynski on this scale.
But, like, yeah, you're totally right.
It's like a nano versus micro versus, no.
So he's got this micro cult, and, but he's, it's not that big.
And it's very complicated because when you watch him go into his live stream, he's got a secondary computer off on his right hand side because his YouTube live stream is also being simulcast on DLive and he has this litany of these tech platforms that he's doing all this stuff at the same time as he, you know, simulcast across all Yeah, that's pretty common these days.
That's pretty common.
Well, I understand, but that's still pretty complicated, I mean, compared to Tom K, who can barely get a YouTube video going, right?
So he's got all these multi-facet, and then he's just, you know, reading the litany of, you know, super chats, and he's in his mother's apartment.
I'm conflicted.
I mean, it's like, this is not a leader of men.
He's like a micro cult leader.
He lives in it with his mom.
He's a stereotype.
He's not in the basement, right?
He's in a bedroom as opposed to a basement.
So he's a step above.
But I cannot find, and Daniel, I do some good research on this.
I can't find any reference to employment, and I'm not saying for doxxing purposes whatsoever.
I just want to know, how does this guy make his money?
Because I know he's not making it off the live stream.
It's just not enough.
Right?
And the books aren't selling enough, so he's got to have some sort of weird computer job or something like that.
But he gets into, in this podcast, and again, I don't want to go into much about this podcast for whatever reason, but this podcast, he's called to the carpet because they're like, oh, you're our great white savior, but how come You're not married and propagating kids because what his coded message is and the code message of this podcast I was listening to and all the rest of these is the 14 words stuff, right?
So it's like his he's got a 14 words cult that doesn't use 14 words he uses like 28 words or 38 words when only 14 will do, right?
So he's got and they call him the carpet how come You don't have a girlfriend or a wife or kids or any of that stuff.
You're 38 years old.
And then he goes off on this whole thing that is literally like one, one tiny step above incels.
Okay?
Where he's like, modern women spend all their time going after the 10% good looking guys, you know, the chads and you know, all this stuff.
And he's obviously very bitter that he can't get a date.
Okay, that's what it feels like.
Oh, yeah, we can, we will definitely talk about that in a second.
You can't get a date.
So, I want to be clear here is that there's a particular podcast that we're choosing not to name here because it is a place It's a secret podcast.
interest to both of us that we would like to not let the Nazis reveal that we are aware of it.
It's a secret podcast.
Very secret.
It's a secret podcast, which some really important people are involved in that.
Important within the white nationalist movement.
And we would like to let them continue to produce content to where they will give away the details of people's personal lives for our use.
It's surprising that they talk about it like that, right?
It will be very interesting if this podcast disappears tomorrow.
and At the time of this... But their op security, their operational security is just dreadful, right?
Like some of the stuff that they talk about... And here's something that I learned about him that I did not know, that he was at Charlottesville, and that he was like a mover and shaker at Charlottesville.
Yeah, he has a... Kona?
Yeah, he has a video about the, you know, at the right, like one year later, so...
This all is a bit shoot.
I will probably link to the bit shoot in the show notes.
I don't feel bad about linking to these people and like kind of letting the listeners of this podcast kind of be aware of this is where you can actually dig into this if you choose to.
Because this podcast doesn't have a huge listenership and most of them are like mature enough to understand like how to share this stuff responsibly.
Well, you know, I'm glad you share responsibly.
So basically that's where I'm at sitting there with JC Cohen.
I have this idea now of this guy and this is how I see him.
Because, you know, watching his show for a couple years or whatever and then getting this historical context of him is that...
You know, loser, like many of them, beaten up as kids, bullied or whatever.
This is their way out.
He's very into fitness and, you know, pure living and, you know, Whole Foods and all that sort of stuff.
And also, he's got this, you know, mini cult.
But then when I...
So I'm like, okay, I understand him, kind of, but then I try to start, like, understanding, like, his larger concept, and that's when my ears kind of glaze over, and I'm like, oh, this is, like, so boring to me!
How can people get into this?
And it's this And it's what the book is based upon, but it's a Scientology.
It's a watered-down, shitty version of Scientology.
He's a self-help guru of self-appointed, and that to me is kind of like one of the most boring sorts of dudes, right?
Like, he knows the best.
So basically this is all I know about him and it's, you know, I know this historical stuff and then I start listening to his current streams and it's just this kind of like philosophical drivel.
It's way above what I'm interested in and it kind of makes my ears glaze over.
So I really don't know what the hell he's talking about.
Sure, I mean, the thing with Kona, aka No White Guilt, or Jason, we just call him Jason, right?
We're buddies.
That's not disrespectful, just call him by his name, right?
Like, friend of the pod, Jason Kona, can I just say that?
He will very much not like this podcast, I am assuming.
Um, yeah, no, he's a guy who, um, he has this kind of deep interest in sort of repackaging ideas that I found on, like, Stormfront in the 90s of, like, why is it always, like, the white guy who has to be the butt of the joke in a sitcom?
Why is it that we see interracial couples?
Why is it that we see, like, a black guy who's, like, the really competent person in, like, an Audi ad or whatever and, like, the white guy gets to be kind of the douchebag?
And, like, ultimately the answer to all these questions is, like, White supremacy, white people get to be sort of a blank slate onto which stereotypes can be laid without sort of offending them, whereas like members of minority populations, you know, those, you know, those things get to be treated as like kind of a representative of all like black people.
I mean, just just as an example here, just to sort of like completely like crush Jason here right now.
Apparently, the film Sons of the Lambs, Jonathan Demme wanted Morgan Freeman to play Hannibal Lecter.
And the studio balked at that on the idea.
And whether you think that was a good idea or not, Crash just kind of gave me a bit of a side-eye here.
Whether you think that's a good idea or not, Morgan Freeman is a phenomenal actor.
And I would love to see what his take on Hannibal Lecter would have been in 1991.
Um, at the same time, like, the studio, like, balked on it, because they're like, well, that's gonna make it seem like, um, we're sort of positioning, like, a black man as this, like, brilliant serial killer, and it's gonna look like, oh, the one black character in our movie is our serial killer.
And that kind of comes down to, well, yeah, you got one black guy in a movie and he's the, like, massive killer, but it represents structural racism as opposed to kind of repudiating it.
And so the idea that, like, yeah, we had to pick a white guy as a serial killer is not, like, some anti-white piece of propaganda.
It represents the, like, kind of nature of the way that, like, whiteness is the default within, like, kind of modern media.
That's the sort of like fractal example that's this kind of small example that I use to describe like how these decisions in Hollywood are made right like so the fact that like you know sitcoms are like oh there's a white guy and he's like kind of the buffoon and then he's got like the black neighbor who like teaches him things
And that's not because the Jews are feeding propaganda into American audiences about how great black people are or whatever.
It's because white people get to be the default.
White people are generically in this world that you build for a sitcom.
They're just the defaults right and so then you have like one like wise black guy And then you get to go like we check that diversity box Right as a as a creator, and I hate to kind of like dig into that like in this context.
I'm But the entire thing that Jason Kona is building within his books is built on like this concept right and
He has, like, I read the bulk of Going Free, his first book, which was, again, available for a few dollars on Amazon for the e-book, and I hate even giving him that much money, but, like, yeah, he made 50 cents for me, and hopefully he will suffer mightily based on this podcast episode, so, you know, I think we're still in the good.
But he builds and and so much of the sort of like, you know, like message board content that I was kind of reading in the 90s was built in this kind of same idea of like, why do they have to make the black guy in the Magic Negro?
Why do they have to make that guy?
This sort of magic character that has wisdom to impart and it's like the reason they make him the person with wisdom to impart is built on sort of a white supremacist society.
It's not built on like they do that so that they get to you know engage in racism as opposed to anything else but this is very much what Kona's entire like kind of thesis is is that we live in this sort of anti-white society and so he's what he's done is taken these kinds of um sort of basic misunderstandings of just the way pop culture works and the way that like the media industry works
and then fed it into this set of memes that he's trying to program into people and so he he says like okay so we live in this system of what he calls white noir and white noir means like white people are denigrated within the society it's it's really unclear exactly what he means by white noir Hopefully, Jason, you will listen to this episode and describe it on your show.
Explain it a little better.
Yeah, explain it a little better.
But he talks about meme pathogens, and so, like, the idea is that, like, so, there are these memes, there are these kind of ideas.
that feed into people's subconscious that are poisoning people white people implicitly or explicitly that are kind of making you and me as white people and sort of like even more than you and me there it's sort of feeding sort of the masses like the people in America it's like kind of feeding this idea of it's not so much that like you're consciously choosing
A sort of anti-racist, you know, anti-white whatever position as much as like it's your default.
Like this is sort of the culture we swim in.
And believe me, I'm actually giving him credit by pretending like the way I've described it is more sophisticated than the way that he does in this book, you know?
Like I'm literally explaining it to Crash in terms of like I'm trying to, you know, kind of give him as much credit as possible.
So there are these mean pathogens that kind of come into white people's brains.
And this is part of this kind of white noir system.
And what you need to do is to have like these anti-pathogen sort of like ideas.
These ideas that will like counter those pathogens.
And the way you do that is through this idea of not considering the actual argument being made, but taking the kind of point of, like, is the result of this argument quote-unquote pro-white or anti-white?
And pro-white means, do I get to genocide people?
This is me reading into it based on everything that we know about history, etc.
And anti-white means, like, you know, maybe we should consider not genociding people.
That's sort of the, you know, and so anything that is, like, not genociding people is considered, like, anytime you reach a conclusion that reaches that, your answer is not to treat this argument with respect.
It is not to treat this thing with any kind of logic.
It is not to respond in any kind of, like, a good-faith way.
The answer is to just call the thing anti-white.
And to call the thing, like, you are repressing me because I do not get to genocide you.
And this is, like, I listened to... I'm going to let Crash talk here in a second.
I'm just kind of trying to describe the kind of content of this book.
This is not like Know What Guilt.
Jason Kona appeared on Tim Murdock's show and we did an episode about Bob Whitaker and his sort of the white genocide meme.
And Tim Murdock is the most current, most prominent kind of living example of people who are kind of pushing these kinds of ideas.
Noah Gilt went on to Tim Murdock's show very recently and kind of like they had a very comfortable conversation.
The idea is not to sort of have like real arguments.
The idea is not to have like a real conversation about like what sociopolitics are.
The idea is once you reach a conclusion that I don't like, I'm going to feed you the kinds of arguments that you can use to To combat that and further I'm going to give you techniques that you can use to reprogram your brain through rejecting particular kinds of ideas that will make you impervious to any argument that runs to a conclusion in which the answer is we should maybe not genocide non-white people.
And that's the fundamental thing that makes this guy, who's a complete dipshit in real life, dangerous, because he is feeding into this kind of basic idea.
I see that.
And what's scary to me, and what makes him dangerous, is Sometimes I visualize these chads sitting around looking for inspiration from other more successful hucksters and seeing what can I emulate.
And I think you said it earlier, this feels like Just a mimicry of a Scientology with some white supremacy mixed in.
I mean, going clear.
He programmed himself like meme pathogens, like the whole thing of the book.
Sorry, I didn't describe this in detail.
I apologize.
But the book is called Going Clear, right?
Well, no, Going Free, but Going Clear is a Scientology.
Going Free.
Yeah, exactly.
Going Clear is a Scientology reference.
And, you know, watch the documentary Going Clear.
It's a pretty amazing thing.
I have not read the book.
I'm assuming the book is equally good.
But, like, he's literally saying, like, look, there are these meme pathogens.
A.K.A.
thetans, which are infecting your brain.
And the idea is that what you need to do is clear your brain of these mean pathogens, A.K.A.
thetans, and after that you can go clear.
And then he goes even further than the Scientologist by saying, like, I'm going to give you techniques that will allow you to reject any of these quote-unquote mean pathogens from even entering your consciousness in the future.
And he's giving you, like, arguing techniques.
And it is very much on the, like, This is how you argue with people on the Internet.
Like, his essential, like, message is, like, never defend, always attack.
So when somebody says, like, well, but what about people who are suffering?
What about the brown children who are suffering in cages?
Like, why are you being anti-white?
Why are you being, you know, you know, it's all about, like, kind of attacking people.
on these grounds and not to kind of deal with the actual situation that exists in real life.
And, um, again, this is, this is, like, Jason Kona is, like, a complete dipshit.
Like, there's no, like, reality, there's no depth here.
Like, I read this book and it read very much like Christian self-help books I read in Alabama in the 90s, you know what I mean?
Like, it is, you know, he's got so much anger.
He creates his own parts, his own myth, uh, not mythology, but Yeah, he creates his own terminology.
Westman, right?
Westman, isn't that the whole thing?
He's not a white man, he's a Westman.
Western kind.
And it's jargony.
It's very jargony, which is New Age to me, and it also, he says, it's very simple concepts that you can teach other people, which to me means very simple concepts you can brainwash and other idiots, right?
Well, and the book, and the book reads very much on that like sixth grade level.
Yeah.
It reads, I don't know, like, I don't want to, um, I know people who have been helped by self-help books, you know, where sometimes what you really need is, like, you find the right book and it kind of speaks to you in that way, even if it's not necessarily a very good book, ultimately, you know, and not sophisticated, but sometimes people need that.
And I don't try to, um, Oh, no, no, no.
I hear you.
Well, here's one of the things, though.
But at the same time, the strategy is, like, I'm going to speak to you at, like, almost a childlike level and give you a very sort of basic understanding of this thing.
And, you know, I think what's really interesting about his book is it is written very much, like, he literally has, like, I'm going to give you, like, a chapter about, like, you know, anti-whiteism in media.
and then like gets to the end and it says write down in this book you know examples that you know of anti-whiteism in the media like it's workbook it's a workbook for racists it's like a for dumb racists they can't how can you become how can you become more racist and in that level it's it's it's i can imagine people kind of being affected by this and he has like a significant if like not uh
He has some kind of fan base, even if it's not too... His micro fan base.
Yeah, it's small.
But who knows what's going to happen down the line.
That's why we feel like it's important to cover him, because this is a technique that...
Could be effective on a larger scale, right?
Yeah, if he's able to spread his gospel, right?
But I don't think so because of Westman.
It just seems, it's too LARP-y, you know?
You know, these guys are very LARP-y.
A lot of his memes, a lot of his memes are pretty awkward in the face.
And that's the thing, like 2016, like if you kind of look back at sort of the 2016 election season kind of the rise of the alt-right like conservative is this sort of like as much as you know, it requires a certain You have to have a certain perspective to kind of feed into that and just sort of kind of understand what that means It does roll off the tongue in a certain way and like the the three parentheses and kind of all that thing.
A lot of Kuna's kind of ideas like a western man, western kind and you know like it does feel you know much more awkward.
He doesn't have the kind of ability to sort of like feed this into a A really aggressive meme, which is another kind of thing of like, let's inform people about him now so that no one more clever than him can take on this mantle, right?
Another thing I found very interesting about him is that he does have his sponsor, one sponsor, on his whole No White Guilt thing.
And it's White Date for European Singles.
I don't know if you saw that.
I think he founded White Date.
Did he not?
I think he's part of one of those.
I don't know, but there's another dating site apparently called Nat Connect.
Nat Connect is another one that he's...
I don't know how he's affiliated with these things, right, but he's definitely shilling for them and he has like banner ads on his all his stuff for a white date for European singles and but again he's like
A tiny step away from Incel lives with his mom in like a nondescript, you know, duplex somewhere and... I mean it does seem from his videos like it's a very nice bedroom.
Dude, I've been in a billion of those Cooker Cutty, Cooker Cutty, Cooker, Cookie Cutter.
The McMansion.
But, and I also know where it is.
I'm not sharing that.
I've seen, I Googled Earth and walked around the neighborhood.
It's, you know, it's just, you know, suburbia.
But here's another thing that all these guys, um, I'm so desperate for stuff that, when I listen to them, I'm so desperate for stuff that isn't philosophy, right?
Because I don't care about their friggin philosophy because I know their philosophy is bad.
I'm not watching them for their philosophy.
I'm watching them for the personal details that gives me insight to why someone would be so hateful or so mean or whatever.
I want to know about them getting beat up as a kid because then I'm like, oh well they I mean, not that I'm saying that's okay, but I'm like, okay, well, if you got beat up as a kid, you might carry that with you, and that might permeate into, like, some weird racism or whatever.
But I'm more into, like, I want to know their diet.
I want to know their routine.
I want to know, like, what their job is.
I want... I'm dying for those... I want to glean those little details.
So, in preparation for the show, I'm like, I should just, you know, watch a couple, you know, episodes.
I was doing the dishes and I had the episodes going on the laptop and he referenced one point.
He's saying, if you hear the squeaking, it's not the puppy, right?
Like apparently he has a puppy or something like that.
It's my office chair.
And I really need to oil it.
And then he talked for like a minute about like how after the show he would oil the office chair so it wouldn't squeak anymore.
And then a little bit later he... Which is like this little bit of like weird perfectionism.
You know, not in a... Fastidiousness.
Yeah, we could talk a lot about his response to the coronavirus.
Although, I feel like it's fairly generic.
I'm probably going to do an episode about how Nazis are fighting the coronavirus here in the future.
Like, I don't feel like he has anything unique to add to that, so I'm not really wanting to get into that.
But, you know, you do kind of get a sense of kind of looking at him.
And he's like this very kind of fit, like high cheekbone, kind of, you know, very kind of quote unquote put together.
He's got kind of a nice shirt on.
And like, look, you know, with no, don't take this with any respect.
Like you and I are complete.
Sloughs, yeah, totally.
Right, you know, yeah.
But, you know, I'm reporting.
But we're not Nazis. - And we're not doing this for video.
Well, one of the things that you say about the way he dresses, right?
Like, during his Super Chats warm-up, he will say, people at Super Chats, oh, I love that color blue on you.
And he's like, well, perhaps I will buy more shirts of this particular blue, right?
It's just like, he's kind of robotic, you know?
in a weird way in his high cheekbones and then um he he's this is what i learned about one of the episodes i watched today was that he's very sensitive to pollen he's got he gets hay fever so here again it's like whenever i uh A find of one of their kryptonites, you know, and it's like, oh, you mighty white race, but you know, the flower pollen is going to make it so your life is miserable.
I'm like, you're such a weakling.
You know, the strong white male taken down by pollen.
And I want to be clear, and this isn't me being critical of you, Crash, it's like, you know, what we're trying to say is, you know, these guys kind of build this idea of, and ultimately, like, the point of going clear, or going free, I literally forget what the title is, you know, the point of going clear is never apologize for being white, never apologize for the history of quote-unquote the white race or anything like that.
He has another word for it though.
never kind of take these arguments seriously if they end to an anti-white place which is to you know to say like an anti-genocidal place you know ultimately that's sort of the logic although he doesn't kind of go there he has another word for it though he doesn't call it white genocide he calls out he doesn't call it white repli- does he call it white replacement I can't remember what his, he's got some term for it.
It's so unclear like kind of what his, like white displacement.
Yeah, something like that.
He calls it or something like that.
He's got, he's got some like, and this is something that like runs through this entire podcast and this is something that I think is really essential is like, They don't say, like, it's like, oh, I'm for white well-being, and that's sort of the thing that Jason Kona will say.
But he won't say, like, and here's the list of policies that we want to enact.
Here's the list of things that we want to happen.
Because ultimately, here's the list of things that we want to happen.
Here's the policies we want to enact.
We'll reveal The violence inherent in the ideology ultimately.
Like, look, I'm a socialist.
I'm one of these, I don't know, some of my listeners will laugh at me calling myself a far-lefty type, but I'm a far-lefty type, right?
I'm a person who wants every single person in the world to have food, water, shelter, and health care.
That's my politics ultimately.
Let's figure out how to get there.
It's kind of my thing.
I think any preventable death is terrible.
And I have no problem saying that may mean going after the capitalists with some level of...
Beyond a debate, right?
You know, I can, like, elucidate goals that I want to have.
But these douchebags, whenever you ask them this question of, like, what is it you actually want?
Like, what's your actual, like, policy goal?
Like, how are you gonna get there?
They can't answer that because ultimately the answer is, like, well, ethnic cleansing.
But they cow shit though.
We're going to go into neighborhoods with brain of black people and put them on trains and deport them from the country, or we're going to wall them off, or we're going to do whatever.
And I feel like that's the whole thing.
Kona works on this level of white well-being, he works on this level of talking about these things in this very generic, detached way.
Which is convincing on sort of a meme level at, you know, 240 characters, 280 characters, but is completely lost once you actually start asking any kind of like serious question.
Well, you can't put them all, you can't say we're going to put them on railroad cars and bring them to the concentration camp.
That's what they want to do.
That's really what they want to do.
But there's no way you can say that.
Even Cantwell won't say that, right?
So these guys that are these dog whistlers, like Conan, will kind of repackage their hatred and they'll try to do it in a nicer way where they're like, All I want is for whites to be treated fairly like other races are, you know?
And like he said when he was protesting the Martin Luther King mural in his middle school in North Virginia in the 90s, he's like, I wasn't saying I wanted the Martin Luther King Or MLK is what he said.
I didn't want the MLK mural taken down.
I just wanted Robert E. Lee and Thomas Jefferson hung up there.
I mean, they know how to package it because they know that the Sieg Heil isn't going to sell right now.
So they've got, even though their hatred is still there, they've got to dog whistle it in a way.
And I think what Conan's doing is different than everyone else.
That's what I was saying earlier.
It's like they brainstormed the grift.
He's like, is anybody besides Stefan Molyneux really dumb?
The kind of cult, new age, new age self-help.
He definitely has this sort of like, neuro-linguistic programming kind of like idea of like, you know, which is, you know, more subtle in some of these other content creators.
Like I read, like I've listened to enough of this stuff and I'm sort of like, you know, I understand how the programming works because I've, you know, sort of felt it kind of working in my own brain, certainly in kind of the early days of me kind of approaching this stuff.
And I have ways, you know, I've been able to combat that, et cetera, et cetera.
This is kind of a complicated subject, which I've touched on a bit, kind of here and there in the podcast, but of like, how do you listen to this shit and not, you know, get programmed by it?
And that is like, ultimately the answer is like, look at the real world instead of like listening to these dipshits.
Right.
But at the same time, I feel like there is this, you know, both a continuity between what, like, Kona is doing...
And kind of the the larger creators the other people kind of using humor like what Kona is trying to doing is he's like kind of like trying to program people using You know, I'm literally gonna tell you the words that you need to use I'm only gonna kind of make this direct and say here's how you reject this sort of like white noir programming That's around you, and it's interesting that he doesn't really name the Jew in the same way, certainly in the book.
He will allude to it in a very direct way on his live stream, so he kind of knows where not to say, but he's also very clearly anti-Semitic and Holocaust denier.
Like, if you listen to even a little bit of his content, it's not hard to kind of find that.
What I found interesting is that, like, where I've talked a lot about sort of the TRS crew and the Daily Shoah and those guys, and what they do is use humor to sort of, like, get into people's, like, to get into the cracks of people's sort of resistance to these ideas.
And I feel like what Kona is trying to do is to use, is to take those people who've kind of gotten, you know, taken through this kind of thing to where, like, joking about the Holocaust is funny, and then kind of like giving them sort of this sort of, you know, technique or this sort of ideology, this sort of set of memes that they can use
To just kind of shut down any kind of idea that would otherwise make them care about non-white people ultimately.
And I feel like that's where he gets kind of programmed in.
He actually did a livestream with Tim Murdock.
And Tim Murdock was like, yeah, no, you're great.
You're doing a great job, ultimately.
This is a guy that um, this is sort of like in the the second command from Bob Whitaker's You know what genocide mean like this is literally somebody who's saying like here's how you mean these things into political reality and Jessica is Despite the fact that he has a small audience and now I feel like he could influence people Through being like oh, yeah, I read his book and while I felt like it was kind of simplistic.
I it was also a thing that kind of led me into like a deeper thing ultimately.
And so that's why I think he's worth it.
I wish we knew more about these guys' audience size and how they varied and how they increase and decrease because, you know, it's like, I can see doing this for the historical value and also as a kind of preemptive strike, right?
Just so that if Jason starts making it big, there's references to, you know, all the stuff that we're talking about.
But, like, I really don't know What metric to use to measure someone's power in the realm.
And I know he just got a strike against his YouTube channel because of... Yeah, he wasn't able to live stream for a week.
I actually believe it was two weeks.
I think that's what he told Red Ice, because I listened to a little bit of the Red Ice Easter special with him on it.
But then also when you listen to these guys closer, and again this is stuff I'm kind of more interested in than their philosophy, Is that he has two alternative channels.
He has like the Gardner Channel NWC and he has Discipline Channel NWC which for when he gets strikes against the No White Guilt, NWG I'm sorry.
It's Gardner Channel NWG No White Guilt or Discipline Channel No White Guilt NWG.
He has those as alternative places to stream on YouTube, so those that are in the know, know that when he gets banned, that's where you go.
And I looked at one of those videos thinking, oh, that might be an honest metric of how many people actually are there for him, not being pushed there by the algorithm of YouTube.
And it was like 3,000 views, like some of these on the alt channels of 3,000 views, which, hey, that's good numbers.
I mean, it ain't big numbers, but if you have 3,000 people going to your alt channel to catch your content, that's pretty good, you know?
Well, and I think what the key is, is to understand that those 3,000 people are also, like, people who are sort of influential within these communities.
Like, these are the most hardcore people sort of, like, following along who will spread those links and will spread those ideas for, like, the eventual Archive Me Shoot thing, you know, that kind of ends up there.
And I feel like this is, you know, we're running a little bit long, but I also do want to kind of cover his misogyny, which I find fascinating.
Just in general, like, I kind of come out of the sort of feminist blogosphere of the 90s and 2000s, and so, like, it is fascinating.
These guys are universally misogynist on just a basic level.
They just accept feminism, bad culture, Marxism, created by the Jews.
It's just universal.
But if you go to his BitChute channel, which I may put in the show notes.
I don't know.
Like, I kind of have complicated feels about, like, how much to share.
But if you go to Elizabeth's YouTube channel and click on it, and click on, like, the recommended videos, one of his top videos is this thing where, like, the Pettibone sisters, which is Brittany, and I forget her sister's name, but Brittany Pettibone is someone who is, like, a full-fledged Nazi alt-right, isn't it?
Right?
White nationalist dipshit.
and her sister are sitting and talking about like kind of problems with dating within um you know just in modern society and they're talking about like well you know you clearly what you want to do is you want to like find the best man and uh jason kona like takes that video
and then like sort of like edits it and kind of goes in and does commentary on it and says like he gets really angry about like quote unquote female hypergamy which is like this sort of 80 20 rule thing of like 80 of women want 20 of men and um that is based on like quote unquote looks and status and so - Oh.
Well, I have kind of complicated like kind of things about this sort of the the idea of the incel because like that kind of gets like it kind of became a meme of like they're kind of programming it into I don't know like um I'm just gonna say like I look like this and if you you know know what I look like this and um I did fine you know like you know And um you know believe me I am not wealthy.
I do not have status and I look like this and um you know there is this kind of like fundamentally I am the disproof of this entire like concept but it is clear that like Kona gets like really angry about this like kind of female hypergamy concept.
He gets really angry at like women having sexual agency.
And you see that throughout, like ultimately what he's saying is like, women want to fuck hot guys, which is like men want to fuck hot girls.
Like, look, you know, it's great to have sex with a partner that you find like really sexually attractive and you feel really good about that.
And that crosses all genders.
Look, it's like a thing.
And they turn this like, you know, oh I went out to a club and like the women are not attracted to me and therefore I'm gonna become a Nazi.
It is very clear that this man has a deep anger at the fact that he couldn't get the kind of woman that he wanted to put his seat in.
Daniel, it goes back to what I said in his history that he revealed on that podcast.
It goes back to the seventh grade and it probably goes back before that but this is what he's at least willing to admit that in the seventh grade chicks didn't like him because he was a friggin confederate flag-wearing chud in northern Virginia as a little white boy and That ain't cool.
So, like, they all want, this is the thing, this is the, I want to talk about incels, I don't want to talk, yeah, but these chads who, including Jason, is always trying to encourage them to dress better, to get in shape, they want, you know.
The idea is you get in shape, you wear the polo shirt.
You'll get a girl.
And you go out and you present yourself professionally.
And it's like, I don't know, this, the way, you know, like, I don't want to, I don't want to give away the game here, but the way to get laid is to treat women as people and convince them that you will treat them as a human being in bed and are probably okay with, probably competent to help along with an orgasm.
That's really the way to get laid.
Well, that just seems so basic to me, right?
But to these guys, they don't get it.
And the thing is, like, they're in shock.
Like, how come I can't get laid?
I'm like, because you live, you're 38 years old, you live with your mom, and your whole thing is that women only want to fuck 20%.
Of the 80, of the 100%.
And maybe not being a person who's producing a podcast that's literally like pushing 18 hour long podcast.
Maybe a whole lot of women that might actually want to fuck you find that.
The After Show or the After Program or whatever that thing is.
We didn't even, we didn't even talk about it.
So that's another show.
But, but like, this is like, we're about, we're wrapping up now.
We've been going on for a while here.
We're wrapping up.
We both know we've had enough to say about this, right?
These guys will do a live stream that's like three hours long, three and a half hours long.
And then they'll do the after show for like another two hours.
And like, they're falling, they're literally falling asleep on the air sometimes.
You can hear them.
And because they don't mute and stuff like that and gas come in and out and it's like...
No surprise you're not getting laid, dude, because if you're spending five or six or seven hours a night live streaming, that you could have spent that time being a better human and being more, you know, being less of a Nazi and more of a human, you might have a chance.
But come on, I mean, if you live stream, you know, six, seven hours, there's no luck.
There's no chance for you.
There's none.
Might as well hang it up.
Don't buy condoms anymore.
And not even if they want to buy condoms because they want to have kids.
That's the one thing, one last thing I want to say about this.
I hate these goddamn dog whistlers, right?
It's like, because they know they have to dog whistle because they don't want to get the strikes against them in YouTube.
So they find all these words to use and ways to say the same stuff without saying Jews or 1488 or any of that stuff.
And he's really good at that and it's this whole his whatever his saying is I don't even know I should know it because I've heard it so many times and preparing for the show and thinking about it and reading but he has a saying that is akin to the 14 words that is just as offensive as the 14 words to those of us that are humans but it's it's phrased slightly different not as offensive
Yeah, he's he's he's trying to kind of push his own memes and you know to kind of push his own ideology and we'll just end with He appeared on this show Patriotic Weekly Review with Mark Collette and Mark Collette is a former member of the BNP that's the British National Party, which is
An overtly like Nazi party and in Great Britain in the UK and Colette has been kind of involved in this since the you know mid-2000s at least and maybe we'll do a full episode I try to focus on the American side just because that's kind of where I feel like I have like a certain level of expertise but maybe we'll do a Bart Colette episode at one time, but Kona is a kind of a regular guest on that and And they did an episode where they invited David Duke on, right?
And they did the super chat thing, where are the D-Live, like, you know, they were taking questions from the audience.
And somebody asked David Duke, what do you think of the glowing, glowing, the going clear idea?
What do you think of this?
What do you think of going clear?
And David Duke had no fucking idea of what Going Clear was, despite being on a podcast episode with Jason Kona, which I find delicious.
Jason Kona is our hero, David Duke, who has been involved in this for decades, who is one of our heroes in this movement.
And, like, he's trying to, like, sort of program this idea of, like, you know, this is gonna be the new, uh, Going Free.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Going Free.
Yeah, I did it again, you know, but, um, he's saying, what do you think of Going Free?
What do you think of this idea?
And, like, Duke has no fucking clue.
Can you describe this to me in a few words?
How'd you like my new album?
Oh, you have an album?
You know, it's like...
Kona hasn't even, Kona can't even describe it because ultimately the thing is like, yeah, the same thing you've been saying since 1968.
That's literally the answer he could have given, but we'll choose not to because, you know, it's not... No elevator pitch, but when we talk about, we keep on, when you said going clear versus going free, I think we kept on saying Scientology, it was like Scientology, and
It is in a couple of ways, especially with the Going Free, Going Clear, but I also think for those that are more into the esoteric cults, not esoteric, esoteric, but you know, look at other mind control movements from the 70s.
What's the one with the three letters?
You know, I'm talking about the ESM.
Ah!
But there are all these other more kind of like brainwashy movements.
There's a clear element of like this sort of like neuro-linguistic programming that I think that Kona is trying to do.
He's not the first one.
He's stealing it.
That's what I was trying to say.
He's stealing a lot of this stuff and repacking You know, pivoting into the white nationalist fear a little bit.
But he's not coming up with these ideas.
He's stealing other systems to reappropriate for his own.
And that's what you see all the time in these guys.
And then what kills me is that they backslap and glad hand after.
Wow, Jason, that's such a great idea!
And I'm like, he's just recycling shit from, you know, whenever.
And they're always so, you're the smartest, you're the best, you're so great, Mark Collette, you know, it's like...
he's he's got a ton of he's got a ton of fans or at least you know some number of fans who will kind of feed into his ego and i don't know like i feel like it's i don't know where this guy's going i feel like he's kind of reached his peak in a way because Where else is he gonna go?
He's kind of descending into jargon land?
But he may very well, you know, be on YouTube for another 10 years, be the next Stefan Mahler.
And so it's worth kind of keeping track of him.
And I would really, I'm really interested after this podcast drops, if he decides to mention on his show, that's gonna be Really interesting to see.
Some of them do, some of them don't, and I feel like if he listens to it, he will definitely get very angry at it, and I feel like that's where we've done a good job, and we may have to revisit him in the future.
Yeah, this has been a fairly long episode.
All right, I'll shut up.
Oh, no, no, there's so much.
Yeah, we haven't even touched on it.
Yeah, but some of it doesn't even merit it.
It's only for, like, the real super geeks that'll be like, oh, So maybe we should do an after show, right?
Maybe we'll do an after show.
Jason George, we haven't even talked about him.
What's his name?
What's the other guy?
Jared George.
Yeah, I haven't even like... I don't even listen to the after party very much.
The Great Order?
No.
The Great Order.
Yeah, yeah.
The Great Order.
So it's like, they'll do a three hour podcast like what we're just doing right now, though we're not at three hours.
And then we're like, okay.
I'm saying, Daniel, all right, enough, goodnight.
But they're like, no!
Let's keep the party going and keep on going, you know?
Yeah, let's just sit for six hours and talk about white well-being.
Ugh, so boring.
Anyway, Crash, tell us where to find you on the internet.
Tell us what's your thing.
Promote yourself.
Tell us how great you are and how big your dick is.
That's what we need.
Measurements.
Devilsanddirtbags.com is the best place to find my stuff.
Which, I started listening to that podcast, I got about halfway through it, it's great.
But it is, even for someone who tracks Nazis, pretty much full-time, it is a show that it's worth kind of speaking about.
Well, I think it's interesting you say that, because like half the people that listen to it binge listen and can't stop.
And others, what I'm finding via statistics, which I urge you never to look at your web statistics, but I can track how slow it takes, because it's 13 hours long.
It's 13 hours of terrible, terrible stories of the child molesting priest of Springfield, Massachusetts.
And, you know, I think that it's hard.
It's a hard road to hoe, we would say.
And it's not for everybody.
It's true crime.
And what I ended up doing with that was tracking down some child molesting priests and actually visiting them.
And in the early episodes, you don't really know that.
In the early episodes, you just get kind of this narrative of what their crimes are, back mostly in the 70s and 80s.
And then, for instance, I track down Father X to an undisclosed town in New England, and I feed him a bunch of 100-proof bourbon with a hidden tape recorder.
Yeah, I have not gotten to that point.
Episodes 7 and 8.
I'm actually, I'm actually like halfway through six.
So I'm kind of, and that's not like, I want to be clear, like it's not that like the material is that difficult or that I'm not able to get through it.
It's more that like I have like so many like shows and I'm always kind of following.
And so like in a weird way, Devils in Dirtbags is something like I kind of treat myself to like an episode a week.
Oh, that's nice.
Daniel, that makes me feel good.
So thank you, dude.
I like that perspective.
So that's the best place to find me, devilsanddirtbags.com.
I'm the editor-at-large for Mainer News in Maine.
We're a monthly magazine and website that's, you know, monthly looking at.
I focus on mostly the dark side of life in Maine and I also have a new and temporary, hopefully, podcast that's called I love hopefully.
Well, it's because it's pandemic-based.
It's Open Ears Maine.
It's a call-in slash interview show that I do live two days a week and that turns into a podcast.
Open Ears Maine, where I'm just talking to Mainers about what's going on during the pandemic and how they're dealing with it and what their particular specialty or career or whatever their experience is.
Kind of more of a historical, kind of also trying to get the feel for what people are actually experiencing.
Because the whole pandemic thing is way above my pay grade.
I'm just curious in stories.
So, that's Open Ears Maine.
You can find that iTunes and blah blah blah.
But, you know, really Devils in Dirtbags is the one I would hope people would listen to if they have the stomach for it.
So, thank you so much for having me on the show tonight, man.
I appreciate it.
No, no, absolutely, and you will be welcome back.
We will do more episodes, kind of talk about more of these dipshits.
And I'm just gonna say, like, I think Devils in Dirtbag should be a book.
I hope you- That's what we're working on right now, yeah.
Yeah, and I feel like some of my issue is like it's difficult to listen to as opposed to kind of read.
And I feel like it should be, you know, it's very clearly written as, yeah, I wrote a book and then read it into a microphone.
Not to speak to your process at all.
Maybe we'll do an episode just kind of talking about that.
Or at least you and I can kind of talk offline, but it does feel like a book that you made a podcast about, and I feel like the book version would be the way that I would prefer to experience it in a weird way, which isn't to say that the podcast is not also completely useful and Dude, dude, dude, dude, I totally hear you.
And the reason why I beat was a podcast, and you're right, I'm a writer.
You know, that's my, I've written many books.
I mean, I don't even push my books anymore, you know, because people don't read books.
But I have books about life in Maine.
I have a book called Marijuana Valley.
I have another book called Tough Island.
I have another book called Sex, Drugs, and Blueberries.
I've made a movie feature film of Sex, Drugs, and Blueberries.
But the reason why that became a podcast is because I'm a believer in podcasts big time.
Like, I think podcasts are the way of the future.
But I wrote it as a book because I'm an author, and I found when I was recording it as a podcast that often during the recording process, I would, oh, I was like, oh, I got to change this because I need to make it sound more active or whatever for that voice that we need.
Yeah, sure.
It's a very different medium.
Yeah, it is.
Yeah, no, and this is again the thing, because I'm doing this podcast as a way of figuring out how to plug.
I did the reverse, totally.
I wrote the book, made it into a podcast, and now we'll hopefully make it into a book.
But the bottom line is I needed to get the story out ASAP.
I spent three years on this.
What if I get hit by a car tomorrow before my book deal is signed, right?
So I wanted to get it out there.
I want the historical record to show that the child molesting priests of Springfield, Massachusetts are evil and that, you know, I'm watching you guys, right?
So I just wanted to get that out there before whatever kind of imprintor version of it comes out, because I just felt like I needed to get it out there.
And that's the spontaneity of podcasting, though it really isn't spontaneous because it took me, you know, three years to make, but that's still quicker than a book.
So, all right.
Well, thank you.
Yeah, no.
Yeah, no, it's great.
And you can find me on Twitter at Daniel Lee Harper, everything else.
