In this episode, Daniel tells Jack about a lesser known but crucial figure in the rise of the 'White Genocide' conspiracy theory on today's far-right, Robert Whitaker. Content Warnings for episode and links below. Robert Whitaker's Mantra: http://www.robertwwhitaker.com/mantra/ "ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY! Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries. The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them. Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites. What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries? How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem? And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this? But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews. They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white. Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white." "Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white" on RationalWiki: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anti-racist_is_a_code_word_for_anti-white White Genocide at Rationalwiki: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/White_genocide Metapedia (far-right Wikipedia) article on Bob Whitaker: https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Bob_Whitaker?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=399089c0fdf5c55502f94a7b14618f8544f283e5-1575239608-0-ASsg9jPD6QX683L5pDGMYrWmbBo63JGKjDVO7qNc8fpZDk_JxqI0zgi85ND5_gtNqFlKA0aV1kZt93fvGK0eh38oZ1tkUIhoudZyDuBAi52HO8LQX3sCim0k5Dhs9PPp1B3AlIjZT5cN1PEbJW28Exr_UUO7bPlTZDnOiQvAMKYc8Pdcsi1gyX2TDoUA9zHgtFQonJUJ_F_adpxmh5nawDzTneSVy1oaYkaSFQCuEgJ7pLpWlrq9VU_zOTeDEgnPjzkKO2w9yZh7AWa94VtK2LQa994wugvE5TPxcP81-UsF Robert W. Whitaker at Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/entity/author/B001KJ0KV4?_encoding=UTF8&node=618073011&offset=0&pageSize=12&searchAlias=stripbooks&sort=author-pages-popularity-rank&page=1&langFilter=default#formatSelectorHeader "Why Johnny Can't Think: America's Professor-Priesthood" (free PDF) https://id.b-ok2.org/book/2957237/010a34 ""Why Johnny Can't Think" shows that leftism means, "Professors should rule the world." It demonstrates why each totally inbred generation of professors chooses a new generation of professors that is even more inbred and leftist and what actually happens when college graduates and professors actually try ruling the world through socialism, through criminal "rehabilitation," and through the New Education. Whatever they call it, socialism or environmentalism or multiculturalism, each leftist program just means that professors should rule the world. And every time they try, it is a disaster. But college graduates keep pushing new leftists policies. That what they learned in school. That's what we pay professors to teach them in school. Joe Sobran says in the foreword: "A former professor himself, Bob Whitaker believes that formal education has become dangerous, and often fatal, to common sense. This is nothing new, but Americans believe so deeply in formal education that they routinely sacrifice their children's youth to it, often paying staggering amounts of money to shield them from the real world... "...the "social" sciences are another matter. These "social" sciences are often directly contradicted by the hard sciences. They are built on ideas and theories that are not only unproven, but demonstrably and obviously false. Yet they are aggressively promoted by the academy, followed by the media and the government, and anyone who openly denies them can forget about a career in these institutions. Even real scientists are forced to bow to the idols of "social" science... "As Whitaker reminds us, formal education is far and away the biggest industry in the United States. Americans pay trillions of dollars, in both taxes and private tuition, to have their children indoctrinated in a false and destructive ideology, which serves as the basis for a series of disastrous public policies. In Whitaker's words, "Nothing liberals do ever WORKS." " Bob Whitaker, Author of the Racist 'Mantra' on White Genocide, Has Died. https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/06/07/bob-whitaker-author-racist-mantra-white-genocide-has-died http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/2012/08/20/repeat-hatred-is-for-traitors/ "Following the White Rabbit" https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2013/following-white-rabbit White Rabbit Radio Website: https://whiterabbitradio.net/ White Rabbit Radio on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkXYznmArMELRxH_36uM1lQ White Rabbit Radio Bitchute: https://www.bitchute.com/channel/ZhdTwH0ssCEa/ Johnny Monoxide at the SPLC: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/johnny-monoxide-aka-john-ramondetta * Shaun video on The Bell Curve https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBc7qBS1Ujo Shaun video on Lauren Southern and 'the Great Replacement' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUbxVfSqtt8 Three Arrows video on Kalergi Plan paranoia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o3pkoZyYRA Current Affairs video on 'White Genocide' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCsljzWa7yA Hitler and the Search for the Holy Grail (Documentary) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0Wobk1HCf0 * Daniel's recent guest appearance on Parallax Views podcast https://parallaxviews.podbean.com/e/harper/
Hello and welcome to I Don't Speak German, the anti-fascist podcast in which I, Jack Graham, and my friend Daniel Harper have conversations about the far-right's conversations.
Daniel tells me what he learned from years of going where few of us can bear to go and listening to what today's far-right, the alt-right, white nationalists, white supremacists, Nazis, etc.
Talk about and say to each other, in their safe spaces, their podcasts, their YouTube videos, their live streams, etc.
The Waffle SS, I call them, and do they waffle.
Daniel listened, so we don't have to.
Needless to say, these are terrible people and they say terrible things, so every episode comes with a big content warning.
Daniel and I talk freely about despicable opinions and acts, and sometimes we have to repeat the despicable things that are said, including bigoted slurs.
So be warned.
And it's episode 37 of I Don't Speak German, the podcast that remembers the humanity of neo-Nazis while never stinting on describing the inhumanity of their ideas.
And today we are going to be in the lead-up to the British general election on December the 12th, so pardon me if I sound completely burnt out and insane at the moment.
Because I'm gradually tearing out all my hair, which is an increasingly precious commodity for me, so... We are talking about white genocide, just to liven things up a bit.
Hello, Daniel.
White genocide, huh?
At least it's a bright spot compared to Boris Johnson, I can imagine.
Yeah.
Give him the choice between thinking about Boris Johnson possibly being Prime Minister for the next five years, or... You're not helping.
White genocide.
My apologies.
What's funny is by the time people listen to this, that election is probably going to be basically done.
Probably, yeah.
We're talking to you from the past here.
We are, yeah.
Boris Johnson, who in the last little while has been Well, I mean, we're not going to talk about this because I need to do some research, which I haven't done, but I'm not sure when the speech was given, but he's been all over Twitter in a speech that somebody captured and tweeted about talking about how, you know, there's no point trying to address inequality because, you know, IQ and some people are below average and there's nothing you can do about it.
Everybody has the same spiritual worth, he says, but some people are just stupid, and that's why they're poor, and there's nothing you can do about it.
Which, as I said on Twitter, perhaps a little intemperately, is Nazi shit!
So, that's an encouraging development, isn't it?
Yeah.
I mean, at least he admits the spiritual worth, which feels very...
Like, the least, the absolute least that we could say is that at least he admits that they are human and have human dignity, so long as we're not spending any money on those people.
Yeah, exactly.
He's prepared to admit that they have human dignity, it's just that some of them deserve to die on the floor of hospitals because there aren't enough beds, that's all.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
Again, the podcast where we do not discuss electoral politics.
That's right.
That's where we are.
Non-sectarian politics.
Yeah.
Vote Labour.
This is us not discussing that.
Instead, we're going to be discussing the less depressing topic of the white genocide conspiracy theory.
They're going to be so mad that you called it a conspiracy theory.
All of our Nazi listeners are now like, They're hurriedly typing into their keyboards.
That's great.
They hate it when you call it a conspiracy theory.
Don't you know all those Jewish names?
Haven't you looked at the birthrights?
Anyway, we're going to get into this.
It's fine.
I want to puff the recent video by Sean on YouTube about the bell curve, which is fucking brilliant and related to, well, related to everything we talk about on this podcast, really.
We'll put a link to it in the show notes.
And after that video came out, I've been talking about doing an episode on the bell curve, and honestly the reason I haven't done it, or the reason we haven't done it, is because Sean's video is 2 hours and 40 minutes long.
It's pre-written.
It took him, I think, 3 or 4 months to do.
It's only scratching the surface of that issue.
As someone who has looked very deeply into this issue, as a layperson, as Sean has, I can tell you, yes, it is an excellent video and it is literally just the basic overview of all the nonsense that goes on with all of this.
So, we're going to be filling in some holes on the next episode.
Not to say there's anything wrong with Sean's video, but we're going to be talking about Charles Murray and all the surrounding bullshit.
With the bell curve without kind of digging into the actual debunking of the bell curve, which Sean does pretty effectively.
Get ready for that one next episode.
I would say next week, but we're not very good about getting these out on a weekly basis anymore.
Apologies.
The holidays and some personal life stuff has just kind of completely fucked us on that.
And, you know, the fact that my country is currently in the grip of absolute insanity.
Well, that's why we started this podcast, only it was my country.
Anyway.
Yeah, but I do actually want to be a bit earnest and say, you know, just on the off chance that Sean is listening to this, bloody well done, mate.
Thank you so much.
That is an amazing thing to do.
It's a long video, but it's very accessible, it's very entertaining, it's very clear, and it's a great resource.
We can now, you know, any time any fucking chud raises the bell curve, because it's still incredibly influential, You know, you can just link them to that video and say, right, until you have an answer to these points, fuck off with your bell curve, okay?
It's brilliant.
It's a one-stop resource that, even though it does only scratch the surface, it completely destroys that book.
Okay?
It's bullshit.
It's a racist fraud.
It's politically motivated pseudoscience.
And that video proves it.
It's long, but it's very accessible.
It's two, nearly three hours, but it's very, you know, it's all there.
You just link them to that and say, go and watch that video, come back with answers, or fuck off.
And that is a real service, you know?
And we've linked to Shaun videos before, the Shaun video on... Shaun is the best YouTuber, or one of the best.
And, you know, Sean's video on Charlottesville, Unite the Right, that was bloody brilliant.
I'm going to link to another one for this episode, his video about Lauren Southern and the Great Replacement, which is linked to what we're going to be talking about tonight.
That's a great video.
You know, Sean, I sponsor Sean on Patreon.
Sean is a really valuable voice, you know.
Thank you so much for just being there, Sean.
You are great.
I also want to thank the people who sponsor me on Patreon, that's so great, and the people who sponsor Daniel.
I got some new patrons recently and it's just, it's so encouraging, it's so helpful.
If you can't sponsor us, that's great.
If you just listen and spread the word, that's fantastic.
But if you do sponsor us, that's so meaningful and we're so grateful, thank you so much.
And I also want to be earnest about the people currently campaigning for Labour in Britain.
People are doing amazing work campaigning for the Labour Party in Britain.
And, you know, I'm a Marxist, as you know.
I have my issues with social democracy and reformism and the Labour Party.
But I really hope the Labour Party wins this election.
And if they do, or if they, you know, force a hung parliament, or just increase their share of the vote, it will be because of the amazing work being done by activists out there canvassing and talking to people.
And I'm just... I am tearing my hair out, I am going crazy with all this stuff, the nonsense we have to deal with, but I'm also just so inspired and grateful by so many people.
And there you go, embarrassing moment of earnestness over.
Completely agreed.
And again, just to underline that, I have gotten some new patrons this week.
My patrons are the least served people on the planet, basically.
I do absolutely nothing except produce this podcast on an increasingly irregular basis.
And tweet about this stuff.
But believe me, there is always work going on behind the scenes.
I deal with this stuff every day.
And it is very much appreciated.
Any little bit you can add, we definitely do appreciate.
So, yeah, we should probably do our episode now.
We should, yeah.
Enough of the podcast business.
On to the actual topic, which is the White Genocide Conspiracy Theory.
Because that's what it is.
So Daniel, tell me about the White Genocide Conspiracy Theory.
Oh yeah, I can't wait.
I can't wait for the Twitter DMs, it's gonna be fine.
I'm thinking I might call this episode, White Genocide, Conspiracy Theory, with Conspiracy Theory in all caps.
So we are going to be talking about white genocide and we're going to be talking in particular about this guy named Bob Whitaker, Robert Whitaker, Robert W. Whitaker if you prefer, who is the guy who first coined the term white genocide.
And we're going to be taking a pretty specific kind of focus on this guy and sort of this thing called the mantra, which he wrote, which if you have experienced this kind of idea online at all, You have probably run across even if you don't know it and we're gonna talk about some people who he's kind of like inspired who were sort of like in his orbit before he died because he did die a couple years ago.
So what we're not gonna do is we're not gonna talk about Camp of the Saints and we're not gonna be talking about sort of the overall kind of great replacement stuff, which is similar, but slightly lighter.
I think one day we'll do Lauren Southern specifically, and maybe we'll kind of talk about the great replacement at that point.
But I really do want to focus on this guy, Bob Whitaker, and sort of this very specific version of this white genocide thing.
Most of what I'm going to say also applies to the great replacement theory, but great replacement is sort of the softened version of this idea.
And it also came about a few years earlier, this sort of idea.
So we'll talk a little bit about some of the – I guess we can do that now.
The big difference is that the sort of great replacement is sort of a more demographic cultural idea, where in Camp of the Saints it's the idea – this is a French novel.
I cannot – I don't know the title in French, and I wouldn't try to pronounce it if I did.
But the idea there is that there is a sort of Muslim invasion of Europe, this Arabia concept.
And while there is a racial component, certainly the major themes there are much more sort of like culturally based, much more like they're going to come in and they're going to be smoking kebabs and praying to Mecca and that sort of thing.
And it's not so much about like – Our genetic heritage is being destroyed and so in that sense it's much softer than this more than this kind of white genocide idea where there is a kind of specific agenda at work that is destroying the white race through you know genetic replacement if you kind of understand so there is that is a subtle difference and like not one that's worth normally kind of elucidating in too much detail but I think it is worth kind of highlighting here.
Yeah.
You know, that side of it does interest me because I think, anyway, it has a lot of origins in the War on Terror era and a lot of the Islamophobic narratives that came about through that.
You know, you mentioned Arabia.
There was also, in this Britain particularly, there was a theory and a book that was called Londonistan, and there was a lot of this sort of stuff floating around, this sort of culturalist racism to justify Islamophobia and the War on Terror, which was actually, of course, It's a series of unprovoked imperialist attacks on Central Asian and Middle Eastern nations.
A lot of Muslims, not all Muslims, but a lot of Muslims being the victims of that.
And of course that does feed in to the sort of thing we're going to be talking about more.
A lot of that stuff, a lot of that kind of rhetoric, that civilizational rhetoric found its way, for instance, into Anders Breivik's manifesto.
So it's definitely related and they still like to talk about it.
But yeah, we're going to be focusing more on the more outright, you know, scientists, quote unquote.
The more overtly racist side of it and the more, you know, Blaming the Jews side of it.
Yes, indeed.
Yes.
Yes And so in a lot of ways this is I mean I do consider this Actually, it's gonna be a four-part series now this starting with talking about Kevin McDonald Who will talk a little bit more about next week when we do?
when we do Charles Murray I got some criticism that we didn't debunk enough of Culture Critique, and I want to give a sense of what that's going to sound like if I had tried to do an hour and a half podcast, just debunking it line by line.
But I don't have those notes in front of me, so we'll do a little bit of that next week to demonstrate.
I feel like the interesting thing here is that this guy, Bob Whitaker, a little bit from his website.
Which is WhitakerOnline.org.
Just to clarify, the mantra you mentioned, is that the anti-racist is a code word for anti-white slogan?
Yes, absolutely.
I'm going to actually read the full mantra here in a second, so you'll get a sense of it.
There are a couple of different versions of this.
There's like a 280-word version.
There are different kind of word length versions of it.
It's been kind of cut and trimmed kind of online over time.
It only goes back to 2005 which is interesting like it's not something that really goes back Decades the way people think it does.
Yeah, it feels older than that doesn't it does it does and it's because it's well Bob Whitaker is a guy He was born in 1941 He goes to college because for studies political science, and I'm kind of getting I'm skimming the details from his website There will be a link to this in the show notes.
I put a bunch of links to like more information about Bob Whitaker One of the things that I ran into when I was prepping for this episode is that there's not, like, Bob Whitaker doesn't have a Wikipedia page.
Bob Whitaker doesn't really, like, most of the information that's out there is sort of, like, information that he provided about himself.
And so I'm kind of forced to use that and just kind of say this is, like, on his website.
And so I'm sure it's bastardized.
And I'm kind of giving kind of the broad strokes.
I'd love to find, like, a book that somebody wrote about this guy, but I have not – I haven't done enough digging to sort of say it doesn't exist.
But it was certainly not something I could kind of easily find, like a detailed analysis of Robert Whitaker.
So hopefully I can find something like that.
Maybe we'll kind of revisit this topic.
But here's kind of the the priestess of Bob Whitaker.
He's a guy.
He goes to college.
He studies political science.
He kind of goes to grad school.
He studies economics.
He...
Both future Nobel laureates left the University of Virginia while Bob was there.
Bob's second reader for his dissertation, James Buchanan, was forced to leave when a new dean took over who had vowed to clean out the nest of right-wingers in the economics department.
So he didn't complete his PhD, and then he got involved in political activism.
um he uh good bounces around for a while um kind of talks about where he's like kind of sorry i'm skimming the page here um so uh here it says bob worked with wiggum rusher publisher the national review and turning the so-called wallace democrats into reagan democrats the This was a move that respectable conservatives opposed vigorously.
Now, when you see the words respectable conservatives, I want you to think back to episode one of this podcast talking about Richard Spencer's searing hatred for the people who are not quite as far right as he is not quite as racist as he is but who get all the institutional money those are the respectable conservatives that also you know basically as code for neoconservatives and spoiler alert it basically means jews um -
This is a move that respectable conservatives opposed vigorously.
Bob's 1976 book, A Plague on Both Your Houses, attacking both the liberal establishment and the watered-down Republican opposition, was a milestone in this campaign.
So basically, Whitaker sort of, at least his website, sort of takes credit for creating the Reagan Democrat and for kind of making Reagan president in 1980.
Uh, there were a lot of factors that went into that.
I'm gonna kind of call bullshit, but Whitaker was definitely kind of in the mix at that time.
He ends up working for the Reagan administration.
He worked on Capitol Hill from 77 to 1982.
Two of his most personally gratifying accomplishments enjoyed today by all of us were saving the Hubble telescopes and preventing the IRS from imposing racial quotas on private schools.
And wow, what a mixed bag there, right?
Yeah.
Because, you know, however we think about, I think, you know, NASA is basically kind of unalloyed good and, you know, like it's money that's spent and we could use that to alleviate poverty.
But of all the sort of like things the U.S.
government does, NASA's on the kind of top, you know, near the top end of the like moral good end of this.
And the Hubble Telescope has been this amazing instrument that has been used to learn so much about the universe.
And then that, it would also like, he also prevented private schools from having to bring black people Yeah, so a mixed bag there, let's say.
Yes, very much.
And so despite his criticism of Reagan and the plague of your houses, Bob was a Reagan appointee in charge of all civilian security clearances and federal staffing.
So he works inside the Reagan White House in the early 80s.
And so this is a guy at the center of the political establishment in Reagan's administration Right there in the early 80s.
He leaves about 1985, retired in the 1990s, and then he starts writing books, or more books.
The main book that we sort of, well, it's called here on Whitaker's website, Bob's Deadliest Book from 2004, is called Why Johnny Can't Think, America's Professor of Priesthood.
And I put, there is a PDF copy of this available on the On the Internet Archive?
And I have put a link to that so you can read the whole thing.
And I think it's worth kind of reading the back cover.
The way this book is sold.
And it is worth skimming through this.
It's a really poorly done OCR PDF.
But it's at least worth skimming if you're kind of interested in this.
People do give me a flack sometimes for including links to this material.
But I do think it's important if you're going to listen to this podcast to at least kind of have it available and kind of get a sense for what this stuff looks like in its kind of natural state.
And so I, you know, I don't know.
I could be convinced otherwise, but I do like including links to this so that you can kind of see this for yourself and demonstrate that I'm not lying, basically, or exaggerating, because it would be very easy to listen to this and think, you can't be that bad.
It is.
It is that bad.
It'd be terrible if I followed one of your links one day and found out you were lying about the whole thing.
It turns out that Mike Enoch is just a really nice Jewish man sitting around growing flowers and being completely adorable.
And stroking bunny rabbits.
And I'm just beating this guy up on the internet like this poor innocent man.
No, that's not the truth at all.
All he wants to do is mend the broken paws of sick kittens and here we are victimizing him.
I didn't know.
I thought it was all true.
The Daily Show has been on a real mangala with actually a really nice doctor and just giving people penicillin kick lately.
It's absolutely absurd.
Anyway, not our topic today.
No.
This is from the back cover of Why Johnny Can't Think.
Why China Can't Think shows that leftism means professors should rule the world.
It demonstrates why each totally inbred generation of professors chooses a new generation of professors that is even more inbred and leftist, and what actually happens when college graduates and professors actually try ruling the world through socialism, through criminal rehabilitation, in quotes, and through the new education.
Whatever they call it, socialism or environmentalism or multiculturalism, each leftist program just means the professors should rule the world.
And every time they try, it is a disaster.
But college graduates keep pushing new leftist policies.
That's what they learned in school.
That's what we pay professors to teach them in school.
Joe Sobrin says in the foreword, "A former professor himself, Bob Whitaker, believes that formal education has become dangerous, and often fatal to common sense.
This is nothing new, but Americans believe so deeply in formal education that they routinely sacrifice their children's youth to it, often paying staggering amounts of money to shield them from the real world." The social sciences are another matter.
These social sciences, and you can hear the quotes there, are often directly contradicted by the hard sciences.
They are built on ideas and theories that are not only unproven, but demonstrably and obviously false.
Yet they are aggressively promoted by the academy, followed by the media and the government, and anyone who openly denies them Can't forget about a career in these institutions.
Even real scientists are forced to bow to the idols of social science.
As Whitaker reminds us, formal education is by far and away the biggest industry in the United States.
Americans pay trillions of dollars in both taxes and private tuition to have their children indoctrinated in a false and destructive ideology, which serves as the basis for a series of disastrous public policies.
In Whitaker's words, nothing liberals do ever works.
In all caps.
Which, ironically, you and I would agree with those last five words.
But not in the way that he intends.
Yeah, you just give me that last sentence, I'm on board.
That's not true.
Liberals have done a couple of Liberals have done some very nice things that are completely inadequate for actually solving the real problems.
Liberals have done a great deal of work in alleviating the problems of the world without ever actually solving them.
We can at least give them some credit.
But yeah, I think that gives us a pretty clear idea of where he's coming from.
And I'm gonna admit I have not read all of Why Johnny Can't Think.
I've read enough of it to say that encapsulates the content pretty well.
It's written in a very similar kind of style, a very kind of staccato senate structure.
You know, it reads a lot like a Glenn Beck rant.
It would not surprise me at all to learn that Glenn Beck had kind of read this book a few times.
And around 2004, that's when David Horowitz was doing his essentially hit lists of quote-unquote Marxist professors and that sort of thing.
So this is deep in the Bush era.
And this attack on education, I mean, it predates Whitaker for sure.
But this is part and parcel of – this is very, very mainstream right-wing literature at this point.
Oh, yeah, straight-up just ordinary Republicanism with you know a sort of like slight Edge to its prose, you know, yeah, you know any random five minutes of Fox News You're gonna hear something very similar to that, right?
I love there was a segment I saw once on Fox News where it was on one of these like like Fox 5 or something like that it was one of these things and they had like this big panel and And they brought up a third grade math worksheet, and it was called Distribute the Wealth, and it was about the distributive property of arithmetic.
And A, they're using this to demonstrate how, like, you know, communist propaganda is being spread through schools through a silly pun on the word distribute.
But also how everyone on that panel who are, you know, presumably adults with, like, advanced degrees, no one has any ability to actually solve the simple third grade math.
They're looking at it and going, I don't know how to do this.
This is way too hard.
How do they learn this in school these days?
This is nuts.
In fairness, I would probably struggle with third grade math.
I mean, I'm going to give them credit if I was on live TV and I hadn't seen it in a while and kind of like, oh, how do you do this again?
You wouldn't want to have to.
But I mean, they're literally going like, oh, this math thing.
This is way too hard for any reasonable person to have to do.
It does.
It does kind of demonstrate this sort of, you know, kind of the inherent like sort of anti-intellectualism, the anti-education bias, just in the way that like the audience just completely accepts that sort of thing.
It's just like very, very standard, right?
Yeah, yeah.
And this is a conservative obsession going back a very long time.
You know, you can find Hayek rants about stuff like this, you know, the conspiracy of leftist professors and stuff.
It's a very old canard.
And it's, you know, there is a germ of truth.
You will find, I suppose, a higher proportion of liberal attitudes overall, I think, in In professors and people like that, at least in certain circles.
What you tend to find is a higher proportion of liberal, slightly liberal left attitudes.
It depends on the field, right?
Well yeah it does, because you will find a university that has a humanities department where lots of people describe themselves as liberals or left liberals or whatever.
And it will also have an economics department which is absolutely soaked in billionaire money and pumps out constant rabid right-wing libertarian free market stuff, you know.
So, you know, it's not a generalisation you can make if you're going to be intellectually honest.
And of course, they constantly conflate liberalism with socialism and communism, so it's gibberish.
Elizabeth Warren is a Marxist, Jack.
Weren't you aware of this?
There is literally no daylight between Elizabeth Warren and Joseph Stalin.
They are the same person.
They are literally the same person.
He faked his own death and moved to America.
So, I wanted to read that.
I know that was kind of a long thing to read, but at the same time, A, it's just funny, so it was worth highlighting.
It is.
B, it does kind of demonstrate how this is very standard ideology that's kind of going on in right politics in the United States at that time.
Like, there's nothing kind of out of the ordinary with this.
Now we're going to read the mantra.
There were a couple of different versions of this, as I said earlier.
This is the current version on Whitaker's website.
We're going to read it.
Whitaker's an avowed white nationalist.
This is going to be very clear immediately.
I don't think there's any actual slurs in this.
I'm just kind of re-scanning it.
No.
It's designed to be something, and this is something that Whitaker, as someone who kind of worked in political campaigns and worked in Washington for a number of years, who had a background in political science and who was considered himself sort of a communicator first and foremost.
I mean, he worked for the great communicator, right?
And had the idea, and I, you know, I mean that only slightly tongue-in-cheek here, but the idea was, like, one of the problems that the alt-right, that white nationalists today have, and they've kind of always had, is that they get, and this is, again, a very humorous thing you're going to laugh at, but, you know, they get too intellectual with this shit, where they really want to, like, sort of feed people, like, all this kind of big, like, kind of backstory and history and, like,
The Jews have this genetic propensity and all, you know, like, you know, people really like, it's, it's this sort of, like, thing of the ideologue, where, um, when you're proselytizing, you just want to, like, kind of shove all these, like, ideas into people's heads immediately, right?
And Whitaker saw that... They want to give you the hard science that contradicts all the leftist social science.
Right, and they want to kind of like, it gets like, you know, it gets so like kind of convoluted like the way that sort of the meme energy works and the way that they're, it gets very inside.
It gets very like we're inside our own culture and we only talk to each other.
And so we don't know how to talk to people on the outside anymore, which kind of creates a kind of like, this is a complicated word, but a kind of radicalization issue within the inside of these movements where they get more and more extreme because they don't talk to people on the outside.
Yeah.
But also kind of limits their ability to sort of talk to kind of normies anymore.
And this is a kind of tendency that's been recognized for a while and Whitaker recognized it.
And his idea was Well we need to create something that you can sort of like hand to people that's basically sort of rhetorically irrefutable in the moment and that is sort of understandable at this like fifth grade level that most people absorb their political content.
It's meant to be something that you can like shove in people's face and that demonstrates this kind of reality of white genocide and this kind of rhetorically complete but um not completely non sort of evidence-based or sort of sort of uh you know um you know without kind of shoving and necessarily a kind of explicit ideology um although it does obviously and so we're going to read it and i and i but but i want you to kind of understand that's the point the point is to sort of it almost pre-memes the meme idea
it's it's the idea of like something you can fit on a bumper sticker something you can fit on a i can has cheeseburger thing you know it's meant to be you know something you can put in the mouth of a pepe and um you can see like what used to be what used to be called a sound bite right um it's it's it's the same kind of idea so i'm going to read this obviously i don't believe it hopefully no one is going to be convinced by this by me um like saying it out loud but um here we go so this is the mantra at least the sort of one version
the current version of it a Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, white countries for everybody.
Everybody says there is this race problem.
Everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.
The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third-worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.
Everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to assimilate, i.e.
intermarry with all those non-whites.
What if I said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country And only in the black countries.
How long would it take anyone to realize I'm not talking about a race problem?
I'm talking about the final solution to the black problem.
And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this?
And what kind of psycho black man wouldn't object to this?
But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a Nazi who wants to kill 6 million Jews.
They say they are anti-racist.
What they are is anti-white.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
That's the mantra.
That's it.
Yeah.
And it's, uh, it's actually still pretty convoluted.
Oh, no, no, it is, definitely.
I mean, it definitely relies on... Well, let's pick this apart slightly.
I mean, just the idea of, like, quote-unquote, white countries, you know?
Yeah.
White countries are, uh...
A, like, the idea that, like, you know, nations, that nation-states, that countries are, you know, coded by certain races is, it's based on a kind of a misunderstanding of, like, how internal diversity and, like, even within sort of national identity works.
I mean, you know, the nation-state of France is composed of, like, what, 60 different mutually contradictory pre-existing ethnic groups that just suddenly became French.
When, you know, Paris decided they wanted to own all this territory and they put a military on the border, you know?
That, you know, the United States is a white country to the degree that, you know, despite the fact that African slaves were here in 1619 and despite the fact there's an indigenous Native American population, those people just don't get counted in the conception of, like, what that means to be a white country.
even Scandinavian countries have had long histories of non-white people living within them.
And even the whole concept of white is ultimately this deeply socially constructed thing that's built around an idea of differentiating quote-unquote European populations from the African slave trade in a lot of ways.
Whiteness is absolutely a socially constructed thing.
It came about for contingent historical material reasons.
And as many people have pointed out, the United States, presumably you'd call that a white country, it's hugely made up of all sorts of different demographics that are now lumped by people like him within the category white.
During the process of the construction of the racial order, when Polish people came in, Irish people came in, it was by no means certain when this started happening that these people were quote-unquote white.
They became white.
There's a whole academic discourse devoted to documenting this thing, the construction of whiteness.
The race-making process, you know, it's just gibberish.
In my country alone, Britain is presumably a white country, right?
Britain includes, at the moment, Britain includes Northern Ireland.
Well there you go, it's a load of Irish people.
Irish people back in our own history.
We can talk about panics in Britain about Irish immigration and about how Irish were coded as a different race.
And they talked about them in very much the same way that, you know, racists talk about Muslims now.
They're dirty, they're uncivilized, their culture is different, they don't understand our values, they breed too much.
It is completely historically illiterate at the most basic level, isn't it?
The quote-unquote scientific racist Richard Lynn had a severe problem for decades in his quote-unquote research by the problem of Ireland, which had a National IQ, which is not anyway, we don't have to get into this but like the the data that he had showed that the Irish had a had a IQ Similar to that of Africa or at least you know kind of kind of the Middle East and that these were you know Why are these white people who he considered them white?
Why do they have such a low IQ and that problem got solved over the decades as there were infrastructure improvements in Ireland and it turned out that the national IQ was As measured by Len and other racist dickbags.
Improved by, I think, something like 15 points in 27 years.
Which just goes to show you, the genetic potential was always there.
They were white to begin with.
That's clearly what that data shows.
In passing, allow me to highly recommend a book called The Invention of the White Race by Theodore W. Allen.
I've only read the first volume of that.
I need to pick up the second volume at some point.
But yeah, it's very, very good.
And it goes directly into this in highly academic terms.
It's an excellent read.
It's a bit dense, but it's definitely worth a read.
And no Nazi who is listening to my voice right now is ever going to bother to pick it up.
No, no, no.
Well, you see, what you've got there is a perfect example of what Mr Whittaker was talking about.
You've got all these social sciences that come out with these bizarre claims like, you know, the white race is a historically contingent, socially constructed thing.
And it's, you know, it's just obviously disproved by hard science like the bell curve.
Right, exactly.
And that's exactly what Whitaker is talking about in that quote.
More specifically, they're talking about this idea that cultural Marxism and cultural anthropology In the 20s, took over for the actual science-based physical anthropology, which is built around measuring skulls and assuming that, you know, those had immutable characteristics that this affected culture directly.
And if you listen to these guys long enough, which I think I'm very near listening to these guys long enough at this point.
I think I've very nearly gotten to the point to where I understand some of the basics of their ideology.
But if you listen to them long enough, they literally will say things like that culture is ultimately built around, that genes determine culture, that culture isn't something that is sort of built around like materially contingent factors and that there are Um, you know, there are histories that kind of go into, like, why do, you know, Chinese people eat with chopsticks, whereas I eat with a fork.
Uh, you know, those... No, all of that is, like, somehow, like, genetically encoded, and that the culture is just this sort of outgrowth of this kind of, like, built-in, like, what people of certain ethnicities or races do, uh, when you put them all in a group together.
Like, it's an emergent property of, like, a whole bunch of people of a certain race kind of just existing.
This is obviously complete nonsense, but they believe it.
They absolutely believe it.
As always, the argument for the necessary existence of a genetic basis for a particular behavior is the existence of the behavior.
Ultimately, that's all they've ever got.
Also, things like Japan and Taiwan.
Nobody says Japan or Taiwan should bring people from Outside of their, which, that's something that they have, you know, like Japan, for instance, has like resolutely enacted a highly racist, you know, policy against, you know, immigration.
They have a very strict immigration policy, and their kind of society is suffering because of it, because they don't, you know, as societies have gotten richer over the course of the 20th and early 21st century, People don't need to have as many children because there's improved access to medicine.
We no longer need, you know, farm children and that.
So, you know, like there are reasons for, you know, we just don't have as many children in, you know, industrialized societies.
And that's not because the Jews are genociding us.
Um, so those and so Japan has an issue of like they need to bring in people to kind of like, you know Act as you know to kind of help them to keep things going in their society And of course the way that like all societies do this is that we bring in the subaltern class that then you know slaughters our meat and cleans our bathrooms and you know does all these things and then they
Are made kind of quasi illegal or completely illegal and kind of exist in the shadows of our society So we get to pretend that it's not a real thing and I'm not justifying that I want to be clear That is not the world in which I think we should live but Japan is now sort of being forced to bring in people from around the world particularly from China and India to do their shit work for them because they don't have enough sort of Japanese people young Japanese people to take care of that anymore and
And so this is, it's almost as if Whitaker is talking shit.
Yeah.
It's almost as if the complete basis of the thing that begins the mantra is just false on its face.
Yeah.
It's just completely factual.
Not just factually wrong, but the opposite of the truth.
It's almost like he did it deliberately.
Like he set out to create it on the basis of blatantly false statements.
I know he didn't, but you'd be forgiven for thinking that, given that the basis of it are directly contradicted by provable facts.
If this wasn't something that got shoved in, like, your face every day on Twitter or whatever, you could imagine that this is an Onion article.
You know?
You can imagine this is something that just comes out like, oh, that's just absurd!
You know, anyone who knows anything about the world around them understands this isn't true.
Like, come on, you know?
Obviously nobody can be stupid enough to believe that, you know.
And so the way this often gets, you know, sort of summarized, the stub of this, the thing that really kind of comes out there is anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
So Bob Whitaker goes on to run for president on the, I believe, the American Freedom Party ticket a few times, very late in his life.
We've talked a bit about the American Freedom Party before, but it's probably not worth a full episode, but we might kind of get into a little bit more of that in a later episode.
This is a far-right, you know, political party.
They do basically, you know, vanity campaigns for president.
They sort of run candidates for other kind of elected offices in various states.
This guy Rick Tyler is running for, I believe, governor.
He's run for, like, governor of Tennessee.
He's run for the Senate in Tennessee on the American Freedom Party ticket.
And our buddy Kevin McDonald, he's on the board of the American Freedom Party.
So, you know, this is all one kind of thing.
But this idea, anti-racist is the code word for anti-white.
Another slogan that Whitaker came up with is diversity is chasing down whites, or diversity is chasing down the last white.
And I believe I gave you a campaign.
A little meme that came from Whitaker's website that hopefully we can kind of put that up on the post for this episode so people can kind of see what that looks like.
There are a lot of really astonishing memes on Bob Whitaker's website.
Oh yeah.
That is the only bit of it that's actually catchy.
I'll give him that.
That line is catchy.
And it's all kind of built around this idea that to be anti-racist is actually to be anti-white.
That is the only bit of it that's actually catchy.
I'll give him that.
That line is catchy.
I mean, it's evil bollocks, but it is catchy.
And so you get this quoted kind of over and over again within this space, within this kind of far-right space.
And even the idea that anti-white is this idea that has gotten some traction even within sort of the more kind of reasonable centrist IDW crowd, which I'm not in favor of them.
But these are not kind of overt racist, but they will kind of take this term, this anti-white kind of idea, and kind of use it as, well...
Yeah, well, certain kinds of affirmative action policies, I mean, they are kind of anti-white, but, like, we sort of have to just kind of take the good with the bad on this and sort of balance these things.
And it's like, no, anti-white isn't a thing within a white supremacist society.
There's no, like, you can't pick and choose your terminology.
You can't just, like, plug in, like, anti-black and anti-whiteness.
Or, you know, anti-Islam or anti-white, these terms don't make sense because they each have a material history, and intersectionality is a thing, and like it just doesn't make sense to kind of think of it that way.
Because really when you're saying anti-white, and this kind of goes back to the Midas right idea, the idea is that, and this is something you'll hear these guys say kind of over and over again, is we have to take our, we have to take care of ourselves first, we have to take care of our family first, and our family is our race.
And ultimately, yes, there are starving African American people who have been discriminated against for centuries.
Who are living and working in dilapidated buildings and schools Because you know there's no infrastructure that our society does not provide the infrastructure that it provides for my nice little white suburb But like I would love to pay the extra taxes and take care of these people, but ultimately um You know my wife needs a second Mercedes, and so like that's much more important And I mean you know I'm kind of being diminished You know because a lot of the people who will say this are people who live in kind of economically marginalized.
You know spaces And so I don't want to sort of like smear everything as like a bunch of rich assholes.
But you really do get this idea from from some of these guys where it's like there is no balance of like what actually are we talking about materially.
Like I got a question from someone who is I think well-meaning who asked like what do you guys mean when you say material history?
Or what do you mean when you say material conditions?
Jack can go off on this for longer than I could, certainly, to the meaning of what material conditions mean.
But what we mean is that the world around us has an effect on us physically.
It has an effect on our needs to feed ourselves and get clothing and shelter.
And the world in which we live affects our ideology and affects our culture and affects the way that we live.
and to ignore that and just sort of think of everything as sort of like ideologically or politically or whatever basis is to ignore a basic reality of like how we should understand the world and that's what this anti-white term it's so specific to this it's just so this idea that to be anti-racist is to assume like if anti-racist is code for anti-white then to be white is to be racist it's equating the term white with racist
It's saying to be racist is part and parcel of being white and then can taking that and then Pounding it into people's heads with it with a ball-peen hammer the way that this, you know mantra is meant to do it is to Fundamentally change the way that people think about this idea and this to make them ignore this material reality It is to make them see themselves as an oppressed minority despite the fact that you know white people own a vast majority of the wealth in this country and in you know, Europe and
Sorry, I've been babbling for a while.
Go ahead, Jack.
No, no.
I mean, yeah, there's a few things.
I mean, I don't want to take us down a complete byway, but very quickly, I want to say firstly, what you said was a very good summary of what we mean on the most basic level by material historical conditions.
Absolutely.
I'd also want to stress the notion that everything that happens has a backstory, so to speak.
Because one of the things that you encounter again and again with reactionary politics is that they talk like history didn't happen.
There's no history to anything.
It's like you analyse everything in isolation, like it just happened, and you look at it In this kind of isolation, like it's completely on its own in this bubble away from history.
Whereas, you know, yes, affirmative action, right?
There's two people equally qualified for the same job.
I mean, talking in very sort of abstract terms here, very unrealistic.
Two people get the same grades, they have the same education, etc.
You know, well qualified for whatever, like kind of baseline, very superficial understanding of well qualified, what that means, yes.
Absolutely.
And they're both up for the same job.
One of them's black and one of them's white.
And because of affirmative action, the job goes to the black guy, right?
Now, if you look at it just isolated from history like that, yeah, you could say that's unfair on the white guy.
What you have to do, then, is realise that this takes place in the context of a society with this massive history of racial injustice.
At its most basic level, that's what you have to do.
To understand what happened there and to understand that it's more complicated than just white people are being discriminated against.
And you have to do this over and over and over again if you're going to really meaningfully understand things that happen.
And this kind of politics, this racist reactionary politics, it always, always, always trades on amputating history and kind of relying on amnesia of the context and the history in which things happen.
The other thing, yeah, anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
I always want to say to people with that, you realise that's an incredibly anti-white statement to make, right?
Because what you're doing is, as you said, Daniel, you're equating racism with whiteness.
If you're equating anti-racism with anti-whiteness, you're equating racism with whiteness.
You're saying, like, to be anti-racism is to be anti... I'm saying the same thing over and over again because I'm just trying to explain it because people don't seem to get it.
Another thing we mean when we talk about material history, of course, is the reality of class.
And again, that's about taking the entirety of society into context and history into context.
And people with the same, or roughly the same colour skin tone, they can have drastically different material situations.
And, you know, ultimately, it sounds simplistic, but ultimately this sort of racist politics, it's always about building a coalition around the defence of The existing power structure, the existing hierarchy, the existing privilege and power of certain people at the top, who generally speaking, statistically, aren't going to be you.
You're talking about the Jews.
I get it.
I get it, Jack.
It's fine.
I'm not talking about the Jews.
I am not talking about the Jews.
I know.
We're going to get there in a minute.
We're going to get there in a minute.
I just wanted to make the joke so that we could then debunk it.
Please continue.
Exactly.
Because, as I say, I'm talking about class, not race or ethnicity.
Jews, obviously, are not actually a race in any sort of biological sense.
Because, again, bullshit!
But, yeah, they're trying to build a coalition around the defence of existing power structures.
And they want you to come in on that coalition, despite the fact that that power structure does not benefit you.
In fact, statistically speaking, you're not going to be one of the people that benefits from it.
You're going to be one of the people that's fucked over by it every day of your life.
It sounds simplistic, but this really is what it amounts to.
Consciously or unconsciously, what they're doing is getting you, the guy who is fucked over by the system, to support the system that fucks you over.
By pointing out that you're not as fucked over as some other person, and look, this person below you on the heap, on the power structure, this person who's worse off than you, is different from you.
And you can blame everything on them instead of the people at the top.
It sounds so childish to say, but that ultimately is what's happening.
And, you know, people don't see that precisely because reactionary politics involves this massive amputation of social context and history.
Exactly what, you know, Jack said it much more completely and with such more grace than I would have said it, but no, absolutely, I agree completely.
And that is a bit of a byway, it's a bit general, away from our specific topic, so I'm sorry about that.
No, no, but the idea, like, I'm liking us kind of, like, going slightly astray from this, because I feel like, you know, it's so easy reading this stuff, if you're just kind of inundated with it, to just sort of, like, absorb it by osmosis, and just sort of accept those premises.
And I think it's important to highlight just sort of like this doesn't make sense on a most basic fundamental level.
You don't even necessarily have to understand the history of this stuff.
You don't have to have even that level of knowledge.
It doesn't make sense even on its own terms if you understand that people are born into a world that they didn't make and that, you know, Historical events have an impact on when and where you were born and the kinds of opportunities you're likely to have and you know through Biological and cultural development, you know the kinds of you know things that you're capable of doing with your life You know, we know that things like Lead exposure early in life.
We know the things like lack of nutrition.
We'll talk more about IQ next week, but it can absolutely have an effect on those sorts of factors.
And then to say, like, oh, there's this group of people that have been historically marginalized into the poorest and least, you know, cared for parts of our society who are given the shittiest kinds of work, who have no time to care for each other and nurture each other in the way that people in more affluent who have no time to care for each other and nurture each other And this goes very much for, you know, like poor white people living in Appalachia as it does for African-American populations.
Although, you know, I'm kind of referring to, and then these people get coded through either skin tone or through, you know, kind of cultural affectation or through whatever, you know, get coded as being a lesser.
And then the cycle just repeats itself.
And if you're born into one of those places, you don't necessarily sort of understand that intuitively.
And you don't understand how the history has kind of caused those effects.
And yeah, I mean, it's so obvious when you start to think about it, when you start to kind of understand the world in that way.
But it does require a broader context.
It does require a broader, like, way of thinking.
And this is what we mean when we say you have to think about the systemic factors, you know?
Like, Nazis will listen to this and say, oh, you're just engaging in quote-unquote Chalmudic reasoning.
You're just, like, avoiding the reality of race.
You're avoiding the realities of, like, clearly the real material understanding of history is that Jews are in control of everything.
You have to look at who's actually in charge, and those are the people.
We have to look at that material reality.
It's like you're missing the entire point of everything that all of this is on a historical basis.
You're also exactly wrong.
We are not the ones involved.
By Talmudic reasoning, they mean just playing a game with language.
Being what I would call, in a philosophical sense, idealist.
Well, they're exactly wrong.
They are the ones engaging in idealist arguments because they are the ones putting everything, in defiance of all evidence, they are the ones putting everything on the entirely ahistorical and non-biological, you know, essentially biologically unreal concept of race.
Which is just, it's pure idealism in the philosophical sense, in that it relies entirely upon this just sort of contextless game of categories.
They've just invented this thing called race that is, it has no biological reality, it has a social reality, because people believe in it and they structure societies around it.
But they reduce it to just You know, to talk about race is to engage in Talmudic reasoning, in their lingo, which is a stupid way of putting it, because they are analysing the entirety of the world via this incredibly reductive, immaterial, abstract concept that doesn't really have much relationship to anything, you know, basic in the way that they think it does.
They're exactly wrong.
And you're right as well, because we are the ones bringing in things like actual material history and the material circumstances in which people live.
And you're right when you say that it's kind of cyclical, because you sort people into a hierarchy according to the colour of their skin, they end up in substandard housing, they end up in shitty neighbourhoods.
You have this entire thing in the United States called redlining.
Where systematically black people are excluded and ghettoised and put into... they end up in shitty neighbourhoods, and shitty neighbourhoods with cheap housing covered in paint that's full of lead and stuff like this, and it goes round and round and round.
These are actual material things that we're talking about, not this airy-fairy, empirically impoverished concept that they just insist upon.
And you can understand why, if you don't have any knowledge of this, like also if you don't have any knowledge of the incredible impact on the entire world of imperialism.
You can understand why stuff in the mantra sounds superficially plausible if it's gish galloped at you and you don't have the context for it.
Yeah, actually, why is it that leftists say that we should let, you know, black and brown people come into this country, but if we all tried to, loads of white people tried to move to Guyana or whatever, you know, oh, they'd complain about that.
You know, if you don't have a knowledge of the fact that Western cultures, Western capitalist imperialist cultures ravaged the globe and that the state of the globe now, including, you know, all these countries that are majority POC and stuff like that, it's a direct legacy.
of Western European, Euro-American imperialism.
If you don't know this actual, hard, material context, you can hear stuff like that and you can think, yeah, I don't, yeah, why is that?
That's a good point, actually.
But the minute you move away from this completely idealist game of categories and disconnected notions into actual material history, it just pops like a fucking balloon.
I know what you're thinking right now, Jack.
I know exactly where your head is.
You're gonna ask me now.
So Bob Whitaker is a stupid person, or was a stupid person, who believed in complete nonsense about racial categories and, you know, just was a political propagandist.
But was he actually a Nazi sympathizer?
I'm sure that's the question you're asking right now.
That was exactly the question I was going to ask you.
Sorry, I'm making a hard swerve here because I have nothing to say to that.
You were absolutely correct.
I'm gibbering and I'm inarticulate, but if I was writing it, I could do better.
Not at all.
Basically.
Not at all.
It's glorious.
We're going to have many fans soon.
Whenever you go off on one of those rants, our old school fans, they love that more than every other bit of this podcast, so it's great.
But it isn't.
I mean, I do enjoy ranting, as everybody knows, galloping off on my hobby horse, but it isn't fundamentally why we do this.
So please, Daniel, give us information.
That's why people are really here.
So I'm going to read a big chunk of this thing.
It's called Hatred is for Traitors, written by Bob on August 20th, 2012.
Oh, I read that.
Okay.
So you get the sense of it.
So you're not wondering if Bob Whittaker was actually a Nazi.
So we'll put a link to this in the show notes.
Not really.
This is how this piece begins.
After World War II, Germans were required to grovel at an Olympic level.
I was just imagining Olympic standard groveling, but sorry.
And nobody knew how to grovel like the Allied World War II generation.
But even though Germans are required by law to beg for the right to unzip every Jewish male's trousers, nobody really expects a German to actually like a Frenchman.
No one expects a Pole to like a Ukrainian or a Russian.
So I expect a Jew to hate us.
He is being a Jew.
Every Saturday he is taught how the Jews have always been sweet and innocent and every goy was out to get him.
Today they are the Jewish Adaptees, which includes all non-whites who don't hate Israel.
Franz Boas, by the way, the guy who created cultural anthropology, or essentially popularized it, and was essentially the greatest single voice of anti-racism in the 20th century.
And that's not me saying that, that's a very broad... He basically defeated scientific racism almost single-handedly.
Anyway.
Basically put the science of anthropology on its feet.
Yes.
Franz Boas instituted this dream that Jews, as one of the truly persecuted minorities, would take over the world in an alliance with other persecuted minorities.
Blacks are looked on by Jews as Jewish adoptees.
That is why Farrakhan particularly hurt them with his diatribe against Jews.
How sharper than a serpent's tooth to have a thankless child.
And that is literally how Jews look upon blacks who have betrayed their adopters.
A Jew is effectively in uniform.
He is a Jew and he would therefore be very happy if all the white goyim disappeared from the earth.
The only problem is that white Gentiles refuse to understand that every word Jews utter about white Gentiles is a demand for our end, our genocide, our termination.
This has been true at least since a Jewish writer invented the term melting pot in the late 19th century.
The Yankees founding mother of America, Emma Lazarus, was known as a neophyte, the most fanatical Zionist of her day, and she demanded the melting pot for the American goyim.
She's the one who wrote the poem on the base of the Statue of Liberty, by the way.
Jews are not sneaking- Huddled masses.
That one, yes, exactly.
Jews are not sneaking anything over on us, but I do not- But I do not get as upset with the Jew who uses Hitler as an excuse for what he always wanted.
If Goyim were too stupid to get the message, that is not the Jew's fault.
On the other hand, if an enemy is coming at you in uniform and you sound the alarm and the guy beside you says, why should I care, you do not debate him.
You shoot him.
Get off the evil plot crap and realize that hatred is reserved for traitors.
The person who should be burned alive is the blonde Goy who says, why should I care, not the screaming Jew.
So, you're the expert.
You tell me, is that Nazi shit?
Because I can't tell.
It's a bit subtle for me.
It's really subtle.
I mean, I don't know how many times I need to say the word Jew in that voice to quite get across the level of vile that this man has in his heart.
Yeah, that's Hitler apologia.
This is, I mean, again, these, even people, and this is something that I've, like, spoken to sort of former white nationalists about.
Like, I talk about Bob Whitaker, and it's like, yeah, I kind of knew the name maybe a little bit, like, you'd kind of hear it from time to time.
But we didn't really, like, it's not necessarily a name that everybody within the movement will know.
But these ideas and this sort of, like, phrasing, this sort of, you know, this sort of, you know, writing style, this idea of kind of, like, you know, bullet point by bullet point, putting things out there.
This is part and parcel of the way these guys see the world.
This is part and parcel of the way their rhetoric works.
And so seeing this sort of early version of it, seeing this, even though this is only, you know, seven years old, I mean, this post-dates the invention of the term alt-right, you know, for that matter.
Yeah.
But the idea that, like, this kind of thing, these, this methodology and this rhetoric gets Built into the entire, like, way that all the rest of these guys talk, and it's designed to do that.
It is a meme, and the most, you know, original sense of, like, the selfish gene kind of idea.
It is a self-replicating idea.
It's a self-replicating, you know, kind of piece of mental furniture.
And I think that's what's really important to get about Bob Whitaker, is that he explicitly designed the mantra.
He explicitly designed all of his work, all of his racist stuff through the last few decades of his life.
The whole idea was, To simplify all this down into a nub that you could then pound into people's heads and that you could bring these ideas and make them more and more mainstream.
And Whitaker himself was not...
as capable of doing that.
He just, he was an old guy, he wasn't, you know, but it becomes part and parcel of the way the alt-right works.
It becomes this basic building block of what happens with these kind of online social media platforms.
once you have this place where you can spread this stuff, this vile, vile material, these vile, stupid, completely disproven nonsense ideas, when you can get this out to a million people and a thousand of them start to believe it on some level.
When you can make people want to trigger, quote unquote, their family or trigger their friends.
And so they start using this stuff as like sort of this like edgelord pose.
And then after a while they start to believe it.
Like this is the mechanism by which all of this rhetorical stuff works.
And this is why it's totally worth talking about Whitaker in this much detail, you know, Even though we've only read just a little bit of his stuff, this is the basic thing that's going on with all this online meme culture stuff that's pushing white nationalism into the mainstream.
That's what's happening.
Yeah, and it has been very successful, hasn't it?
Across the entire ecology, really, of today's far-right online, you see versions of this stuff, like stuff in the mantra, right the way across from the alt-right through to the IDW crowd and quote-unquote respectable voices like Steven Pinker and Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson through to, you know, YouTube right-wing shitlords, whether they're alt-right or they protest not to be or they're alt-right or whatever.
Whatever their actual connections with each other or internal divisions, you will find versions to various degrees of dilution or whatever right the way across.
Those sorts of arguments that are in the mantra and it's been propagated.
Is Whitaker really the main guy that got it into today's far-right discourse to that extent?
I mean, I think it's more his methodology than necessarily, but certainly like the term white genocide and this sort of, you know, kind of This particular kind of, um, you know, rhetorical effect.
Um, you know, and again, it's funny how, like, Whitaker himself is kind of maybe less remembered.
And even, we're going to talk a little bit about, like, two of his, uh, kind of, kind of immediate followers, um, here and then kind of wrap up.
So, uh, you know, we are going to, we do need to start getting towards the end, although I am loving this, this episode.
I think as we, as we do a little more back and forth, it's a lot more fun for me to do these.
So I think it's great.
Good, I always worry about chipping in too much because the point of the exercise is supposed to get your knowledge out there so I go off on my rants and I feel like I'm cluttering things up.
It also just gives me a chance to breathe so you know that's always great.
Just on that material level.
I need to absorb more oxygen or else I'm not going to be able to do this.
Um, no, so, so, you know, obviously again, you know, like Whitaker is not as, you know, kind of as directly relevant to the quote unquote alt-right, which kind of isn't a thing anymore, but, you know, whatever, you kind of understand what I'm getting at here as, you know, like Spencer or Enoch or Anglin or a lot of other figures.
Um, but just the fact that he had this kind of mainstream credibility in the 80s and that he, you know, kind of worked for decades and he's definitely kind of part of that more white nationalist 1.0, that kind of early, um, version of this.
He's kind of more proto-alt-right, um, but the way that he kind of engages these ideas and the kind of the spread of the mantra and, um, was absolutely something that, uh, you know, kind of became part of the DNA of this.
I mean, the mantra dates back to 2005 and I believe it was originally spread on the
Vanguard News Network forums the VNN forums and those are we haven't really talked about those, but it's sort of a kind of a I don't want to say an off-brand storm front That's not really what it is and there are people kind of like wanted to kick me in the shins for saying that but it does kind of get the get the point across as to as to if what it is it's associated with the American Vanguard group or the National Vanguard group there are lots of groups called Vanguard that are supporters of each other and
And I forget the exact history of when VNN started, but it's an offshoot of that kind of group.
And in case you forgot, and why would you remember, James Alex Fields was holding an American Vanguard shield in the minutes before he decided to crash into 19 people and kill Heather Heyer at the right.
So this is all, again, deeply connected.
There's this web of connections there.
So yeah, and the VNN forums are still up, and you do see some of those kind of more old-school white nationalist figures who kind of predate the alt-right.
A lot of them really got their start hanging out in those forums, and you still do see it kind of referenced here and there, although it does tend to be skewed a little bit older, and it skews a little bit, you know, less, you know, kind of varying online than the more kind of, you know, kind of the more edgy alt-right kind of places do.
But we were talking about two other people, It's almost... You know what?
We're gonna save it.
We're gonna save it.
I feel like there's so much to go into here with these guys.
Because this is where we get into some deeply, deeply batshit stuff.
And we could spend an hour just digging into like the nonsense of this guy named, um, this guy named Tim Murdoch and this guy Johnny Monoxide, Johnny Monoxide is a pseudonym.
John Ramondetta is his real name.
Tim Murdock, he also goes by Horace the Avenger, and he's a follower.
He's kind of an original follower of Whitaker.
He actually knew him in life and kind of worked with him.
He's kind of continued on with his work, and kind of spreads this kind of white genocide stuff.
He does a YouTube channel called White Rabbit Radio, and he has a website, and he has a podcast, and he's in his 50s, so he's a little bit older than a lot of these other guys, and he is the most deeply weird conspiracy-minded bullshit artist I know of anywhere.
This guy makes Alex Jones look like a sober, gentle mind, like he built around empiricism, And on that level, it makes it difficult for me to, like, talk in detail.
It makes it difficult for me to even listen because I just kind of get, like, you're just off into conspiracy land, you have no evidence for any of this, and my brain kind of just shuts down at that, which is a personal kind of thing where I'm just like, if you're not making actual, like, logical points, then I don't need to listen to you.
But I've been kind of forcing myself to for the last couple of months because I knew I wanted to do this episode and dear god this man is way off in the middle of nowhere.
I mean he has this kind of like second guy that's got gynemonoxide who also works closely with TRS.
He does one of the TRS paywall shows called Mike and the Mad Wop.
Wop being a slur for Italian people.
Gynemonoxide is Italian heritage.
And, you know, so apologies for our Italian listeners, but that's the literal title of the fucking show.
And it's a call-in show where Mike Enoch of TRS and Johnny Monoxide sit and swap very strange political conspiracy theories on a regular basis.
Johnny Monoxide also does a show called The Paranormies, which is another conspiracy show.
So I think maybe we'll do a more fun one and kind of go through some of the oddity of Nazis in Antarctica and space isn't real, but probably it is, and the Earth is probably not flat, but it's also probably hollow.
Oh, really?
The Hollow Earth?
God, that's an old Nazi coin, that one.
The Hollow Earth, blimey.
Himmler was into all that shit.
You get into like deep theories about Antarctica and about Atlantis being this thing.
Yeah.
The real Atlantis was not so much like an island in the middle of the Mediterranean or out in the middle of the Atlantic but it was actually a pre-existing civilization that was destroyed by fire and it turns out the Jews were in charge of all of that.
And this is all like Himmler shit, you know?
I probably need to read some of the Himmler esoterica then before we do that episode.
But this is deeply messed up stuff.
So I did include the links to these guys so you can go check them out.
I think it's worth doing a whole episode on these two figures at some point.
So that we can go through this and not have to rush through it because we are getting over We're getting close to an hour and an hour and a half here and we like to keep these relatively short.
Um, but yeah, but yeah, no, I, so I've included the links.
You can go check those out.
Um, and we'll kind of do another episode.
Maybe we'll do kind of a, I don't want to say a bonus, but like a shorter episode, just kind of digging into some of the, some of this nonsense, maybe like covering some of these topics.
Um, and particularly with regards to kind of, you know, like esoteric Hitlerism or something.
Yeah, that's our episode on Bob Whittaker.
I hope you enjoyed it.
Okay.
Yeah, I did.
Yeah, but then I got to rant at you, so that's all I live for.
And with extension, kind of the white genocide thing.
And again, I apologize for not kind of doing more of the more general group replacement and not talking more about Camp of the Saints.
I just feel like that's been covered a little bit more and Whittaker is still a little bit of a marginal figure within the way that people kind of understand him who don't like have a Slightly deeper understanding of these communities and this kind of this ideology and this rhetoric So that was why I thought it was important to really focus on Whitaker and on like the specific things that he had to say.
So Yeah, that's it.
That's white genocide and Again, just to kind of put a bow on this to kind of link it back to like Kevin Macdonald what the white genocide thing does like if you just believed as I do that for instance the declining birth rates in in Industrialized nations are just sort of a natural consequence of, you know, people getting wealthier and deciding they don't need to have as many children because they will probably survive into adulthood, which did not happen before the advent of modern medicine, on a reliable basis.
If you believe that sort of systemic feature of just the way that human populations move, Then, you know, the kind of declining populations and the kind of declining birth rates among quote-unquote white countries is just kind of a natural artifact.
And, you know, hey, populations move.
People always need places to live.
And, like, we should invite people who want to come and be a part of our society.
We should invite them to do so and give them the resources they need to come join us and join our wealth.
Share the enormous bounty that we have essentially stolen from them or at least the capitalist class has but you know I'm painting a little bit, you know I'd like to buy a world of coke version of this but like I'm trying to kind of give a Kind of give the like wouldn't it be nice if we could just like accept that this is just sort of a natural thing but if you don't see This is natural.
If you think this had to have been done by someone, then the Jewish motivation for going after white societies and for infiltrating and destroying whiteness from within, and other societies, otherwise, some of them do believe that they're going after China next, obviously.
But this idea of, like, white genocide isn't justified by this kind of pseudoscience evolutionary psychology stuff from Kevin MacDonald about the Jews.
And so it fits into this, like, one, I don't want to say coherent, but at least vaguely internally self-consistent for five seconds sort of ideology.
And that's why it's kind of all part of one picture because, you know, the ideas of McDonald.
McDonald doesn't talk about things like white genocide.
He's talking a lot more about, you know, kind of cultural displacement or genetic displacement, or he's talking about sort of whites needing to take their own side, or white people needing to, you know, kind of, kind of not do this pathological altruism kind of thing, which is, just go back two episodes and listen to that.
We talked a lot about how that's all bullshit too, but the white genocide thing puts the point on it, right?
It makes it, this is something, these declining birth rates, this displacement, this genetic displacement, is being done to us by somebody.
And that somebody is obviously, if you listen to Kevin Macdonald, the Jews.
And that's why all of this becomes a whole.
And that's why it's really one, it's two people kind of providing the different sides of the same argument essentially.
And it becomes kind of this like self-fulfilling thing.
Yeah.
It's there for them to join up, I suppose.
Yeah.
And it's internally consistent, as you say.
It's not actually coherent, but it's internally consistent.
A bit like a stupid movie that you watch and then, you know, it's that old thing about fridge logic.
You know, it makes sense while you're watching it and then you get home and you're at the fridge and you think, hang on a minute.
But of course these people never go to the fridge.
And the whole point is to never let them go to the fridge.
The whole point is to keep them within it all the time.
And I've said this in a lot of different places before.
I was actually on the Parallax Views podcast a couple of weeks ago and we kind of talked a little bit about this and we can put a link in the show notes so that I keep forgetting to promote that but that was a fun podcast and if you're not if you're kind of a new listener and you haven't kind of gone back through the archives I describe a lot about sort of the history of how this podcast came to be etc so Yeah, that's probably worth a listen if you want to go do that.
I'm now embarrassed to realize that the person I was stealing the FridgeLogic analogy from was in fact you!
No, I don't think I shared that with you directly.
But no, I did listen to your guest appearance on the Parallax News Podcast and that's good.
In many ways it's like an episode of this podcast, only good because I'm not in it.
So go listen to that.
It's much more... I end up quibbling over the meaning of words.
It's kind of like 40% of that podcast.
It's like, how are people radicalized?
And I go, well radicalized is kind of a complicated term that I don't really know how to define here within the confines of your question.
I felt like a real dick through like half of that podcast.
It's fine.
It's a good listen.
It's good.
As it turns out, you're very good on podcasts when your co-host actually lets you talk.
We should wrap up.
We should wrap up, yeah.
We have only scratched the surface.
The white genocide conspiracy theory, it has a very long history and it's very complicated and it has all sorts of byways and rabbit holes and it's very interesting.
But we really have only scratched the surface of it in this show.
But it's kind of our USP to, as you say, delve into the less explored, less known things.
And we've done that with this Whittaker guy.
So, you know, that's an interesting thing we've done.
I hope there is lots online about the conspiracy theory, which is what it is, debunking it, going into its history.
I'm going to collate some links which I found.
To be honest with you, you don't... I mean, it's interesting, but you don't need to go into it that deeply.
Well, there's just not that deep to go into.
It's all surface.
It's all like a surface level thing the second you think about it at all.
And again, the whole thing is like, don't let people really think about it.
And that's kind of why I'm glad we spent a little bit of time kind of looking more systematically at these problems.
And giving it a good, just a good examination.
Like that's all it takes.
It just fundamentally doesn't work.
So yeah, please include as many links as you have.
I put links to, you know, kind of the white genocide myth and kind of the idea from Rational Wiki and from Wikipedia and stuff that give a nice, I think the Rational Wiki piece is actually quite good and it does kind of go into Whitaker to some degree.
So it's worth checking out that one.
It is good.
If you want just kind of a brief overview.
Yeah, it is good.
That's one of the links I'll put in.
I found a 10-minute video on YouTube that's by somebody on Current Affairs magazine.
It's very breezy, but you can't watch that video without realising that the whole thing's crap.
They just debunk it in 10 minutes with some basic history.
So it's that simple.
Birth rates are lowering for Reasons we know about to do with the social development.
Demographics change.
It's just something that happens.
Immigrants are generally good for the economy.
The social science is in on this.
You know, we know what's going on here.
And it's not a big conspiracy run by the Jews to destroy the white race.
That's a conspiracy theory.
Apart from anything else, the white race isn't real anyway.
Yeah, you would say that you're going to vote for Jeremy Corbyn.
Yeah, I am.
Yeah, Arch Antisemite, who's also somehow in league with the Jews.
Who's also doing, like, this podcast with me.
It's the Kosher Sandwich, Jack!
It's clearly that's what's going on!
It's the Kosher Sandwich!
It makes sense.
It's internally consistent.
Yeah, I'll include some links.
Including, actually, if people are interested, I'll include a link to a video which is on YouTube, a documentary about Himmler and Nazi esoterica and Nazi mystical beliefs.
Because they believed all this crap, the Nazis.
They went in for Atlantis and the Hollow Earth.
God, I can't even remember it all.
Reincarnation.
And it's all, this documentary is very good, it's a British documentary from the 90s and it goes into how Himmler believed all that and it was all intimately linked with their bullshit racial theories and measuring skulls and calipers and all that crap.
It's a good documentary, I'll link to that as well.
These people never come up with any good ideas, any new ideas or good ideas.
They're always full of the same old shit over and over again.
Yeah, so that was episode 37, Robert Whittaker and the White Genocide Conspiracy Theory.
Thanks for that, Daniel.
Anything else you want to say before we sign off?
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