More on the Siege Pill and the Siegepillers this week. Content Warning. TRANSCRIPT: https://idtg.net/29 Transcript of last week's episode FULL TRANSCRIPT LIST: https://idtg.net/ * Show Notes: SIEGE at the Internet Archive: https://archive.org/details/JamesMasonSIEGE3rdEdition James Mason at the SPLC: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/james-mason siegeculture.com at the Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20180306224025/https://www.siegeculture.com/ Atomwaffen Division at the SPLC: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/atomwaffen-division PBS and ProPublica, "Documenting Hate, New American Nazis": https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/documenting-hate-new-american-nazis/ "Cleaning Out My Closet," Joachim Hoch (aka Seth Wallace): https://www.bitchute.com/video/HXqOZZ7kR4jQ/ Angry White Men, "Heel Turn Network Founder Seth Wallace Embraces Christchurch Shooter In Recent Livestream" https://angrywhitemen.org/2019/05/29/heel-turn-network-founder-seth-wallace-embraces-christchurch-shooter-in-recent-livestream/ Angry White Men, "White Nationalists Have Been Quietly Collecting Donations Through A Livestreaming Site." https://angrywhitemen.org/2019/02/25/white-nationalists-have-been-quietly-collecting-donations-through-a-livestreaming-site/ Chris Cantwell Bowlcast image: https://images.app.goo.gl/ws9gsiTGgCPwDdk59 Chris Cantwell, "Sorry For Spam Posts." https://christophercantwell.com/2019/02/11/sorry-for-spam-posts/ Chris Cantwell on the Killstream 20190226 (doxxes "Mosin Nagant"): https://christophercantwell.com/2019/02/27/cantwell-on-the-killstream/ Vic Mackey threatens an antifascist on the Bowlcast: "But as I was saying normally I would advocate to the death against even touching one of those Yentas or anything like that. But I'll tell you if it's like locked in a room it's go time. I'll tell you in Roblox that would be getting the pistol whip and it would be getting the Bowl. [...] "You still have to be really hard. It would be really hard not to do it though. I mean normally because they repulse me and I would never even want to copulate with one of those creatures but it would be really hard not to just seeing the fear in its eyes like a shriveled up battered Yenta just seeing like a disappearing desk wetting itself and just an abject terror." GoyTalk.com: http://goytalk.com/ The Gas Station Bitchute: https://www.bitchute.com/channel/thegasstation/?showall=1 "Sir88" aka Conor Climo messages on Unicorn Riot. https://discordleaks.unicornriot.ninja/discord/user/2002 "Sir88" shares propaganda from the National Socialist Liberation Front: https://discordleaks.unicornriot.ninja/discord/view/360368?q=#msg HuffPost, "Over 40 People Have Been Arrested As Potential Mass Shooters Since El Paso." https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mass-shooting-plot-arrests-el-paso_n_5d66d1eae4b063c341f9f2da Nate Thayer on Atomwaffen: https://www.nate-thayer.com/u-s-soldiers-uncovered-in-atomwaffen-division-satanic-nazi-death-cult-terror-group/ Nate Thayer on Cody William Moreash, former leader of AWD: https://www.nate-thayer.com/u-s-soldiers-uncovered-in-atomwaffen-division-satanic-nazi-death-cult-terror-group/ Nate Thayer, "Help Me Identify Nazi White Supremacist "Vic Mackey." https://www.nate-thayer.com/help-me-identify-nazi-white-supremacist-vic-mackey-who-wants-to-murder-jews-blacks-journalists-and-rape-my-dog-and-murder-me-with-a-baseball-bat/ Angry White Men, "Patrick Little and Paul Nehlen are Feuding Over How to Start a Race War." https://angrywhitemen.org/2019/04/29/patrick-little-and-paul-nehlen-are-feuding-over-how-to-start-a-race-war/ Goy Talk Twitter: https://twitter.com/Goy_Talk_USA "Southern Dingo" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/dingvictus
Hello and welcome to episode 29 of I Don't Speak German, the podcast in which I, Jack Graham, talk to my friend Daniel Harper about what he learned from three years of listening to the online far-right Nazis, not exclusively online, I don't know why I always say that, Nazis, white supremacists, fascists, etc.
talk to each other in their safe spaces, their podcasts, their YouTube videos, etc.
And yeah, this week, as I say, it's episode 29, and this is part two of a two-parter, as it turned into, about the Siege Pill.
This is Siege Pill 2, Fascistic Boogaloo.
That's my joke.
Daniel has no responsibility for it at all.
Hello, Daniel.
How is everything?
I have no responsibility for anything whatsoever, and that's how I like it.
Yeah.
He unloads it all on me, so that's what I'm... I'm a scapegoat.
I'm like Christ in that way.
What, what people don't realize is that Jack is actually the super knowledgeable one in this arena.
He writes this script and then we meticulously go through it with, uh, all the, all the ad libs are all fake, everything.
And, and it's really Jack, who's the mastermind behind this.
Ultimately the roles are reversed as you might think in this podcast.
It's very much like the classic movie Without a Clue, in which Dr. Watson is the great sleuth and he hires an idiot actor to play Sherlock Holmes.
It's very much like that.
So yeah, this is more about the Siege Pill from last week.
Content warnings, everybody, because it's going to get pretty nasty.
I mean, I know it always does, but it's going to get pretty nasty and dark.
Because we're talking about some really, really nasty people.
I mean, even by the standards of this podcast, these are nasty folk.
First off, I think Daniel wanted to make a little clarification about something that came up last week.
Yeah, just nothing that I think – I mean I kind of went back and re-listened to it and thought that people might have gotten sort of a bad taste in their mouth a little bit about just – I was kind of talking a little bit off the cuff about how the Federal Bureau of Investigation and other three-letter agencies and law enforcement people should be reaching out to people who follow this,
people who are not paid to do this, who maybe are like people who are not paid to do this, who maybe are like ahead of the curve from what those agencies are able And one of the issues I run into is that I try not to sort of name other people who might be doing this work out of an intention to sort of keep the spotlight off of them and that sort of thing.
Um, It may have sounded like I was implying I am the world expert who the FBI should come to.
The last thing I want to do is to be a professional FBI analyst or anything of that level.
I am not a law enforcement person and I don't have the temperament or the stomach or the desire to be that in my day to day life.
If someone from the federal government wants to reach out to me, I have at least 20 people I could point you to who would be much more willing and much more capable of discussing these things in the terms that they would be used to.
I'm, again, just the nerdy middle-aged guy who listens to, like, Yeah, I mean obviously the FBI should talk to me first, shouldn't they?
Yeah, so let's crush on into the episode, and I think we're starting with Cantwell News, aren't we?
above any of those people, many of whom I respect and value greatly.
And so, yeah, I just wanted to clarify that because I think that might have come across a little bit negatively for some people.
Okay.
So let's, yeah, I mean, obviously the FBI should talk to me first, shouldn't they?
Yeah.
So let's crush on into the episode.
And I think we're starting with Cantwell News, aren't we?
Or have I got that right?
Yeah, we're actually going to go back in time a little bit.
And so one of the things just again just just to highlight something here a very kind friend of the show has we do get people who submit transcripts from time to time and someone did actually think that the Episode 9 the Mike Enoch episode was good enough that they wanted to make sure there was a transcript available for it and
It is up on the on their website and I did there is going to be a link in the episode 9 show notes To that and also by the time this episode drops there should be one for the most recent episode So if you did miss the last episode or if you just want to kind of refresh It is worth and you don't want to re-listen to the whole episode You can go back and read the transcript because we are just gonna kind of jump right into the
This really is kind of two things we're recording a week apart, but I'm gonna assume you've already listened to the last one because it had a lot of the background stuff that I don't want to have to explain again.
So last time we did talk about sort of the process by which the white nationalist movement, the online white nationalist movement, the modern-day alt-right or whatever,
After Unite the Right sort of ran into a kind of collapse, they ran into kind of a crisis of confidence and they ran into a sense of nobody quite knew what was going on, the big optics debate, and that the collapse of the movementarian wing or the mainstream wing leads to a greater interest in this more direct action
A siege pill James Mason like, you know, kind of kind of direct violent action side of the movement and There is no one who is more emblematic of this process probably than Chris Cantwell So we've recorded that two-parter on Chris Cantwell.
That was episode six and seven So we recording that at the end of February are in middle to the end of February and by happenstance right about that moment
Can't well himself was engaging in a essentially what has become a sort of battle to the death Rhetorically in an online spaces anyway, although who knows where it's gonna go in the end With some even more terrible people than him and I've been kind of sitting on that because I didn't know quite how to cover it It really wasn't something I hate cover week by week, but I've been Promising that we were going to eventually talk about that.
And so we're going to do it today And I think that's a good place to start So, Cantwell gets out of jail in December 2018 after he serves 107 days for illegal release of gas.
He takes a plea and he gets released from jail.
At that point, he was arguably riding high in the white nationalist movement.
He had gone to jail for the For the program he had kind of he was kind of framing himself as a political prisoner and Had he been able to kind of go back and just kind of do his thing He would have been one of the more notable figures out there But Cantwell is Cantwell and Cantwell is a fucked-up human being who can never get along with anyone to save his life And he has really really bad instincts as I think if you go back and listen to those two episodes You will know
Cantwell, in terms of his process of what he considered was happening to him, was that the system, the Jews, the establishment, was trying to quote-unquote shut him up.
And he refused to let that happen.
He also felt like they were trying to blunt his message and not allow him to say what he really wanted to say and curtail his right to free speech and his sort of, like, I'm going to be the edgelordiest of the edgelords sort of thing.
And so that leads to him literally recording podcasts from jail, even though they absolutely hurt his legal defense strategy.
And some of the terms of his probation come about because of things he said on those podcasts while he was literally in jail.
And some of them come about because he couldn't keep his fucking mouth shut after he got out.
But one of the things that he did was he started kind of making friends and he was going to consolidate this little radio network and it was going to be the Radical Agendas with an S radio network as opposed to Radical Agenda which was then his only show.
Go back and listen to those episodes.
It's complicated.
Aliens.
Alien and aliens.
Right.
So he was going to have like Radical Agenda, which is his show, and then like a Radical Agendas Network.
And he basically invited some people who he thought were good content creators who would be willing to kind of go and kind of be under his banner.
Not a bad idea.
Basically, he was going to create something that was sort of a sideline to like the TRS guys.
The right stuff the daily show I guys he was kind of looking to do something in that vein Because he had a bit of a falling out with TRS while he was in jail Partly because they thought he was toxic and wanted to distance themselves from him while he was doing absolutely batshit things on the radio from jail every week anyway
I mentioned in the Cantwell episodes two of the people or two of the groups that he's uh he is kind of aligned with and one of which is just kind of a Libertarian buddy of his who's turned fascist and the other is a group of like pop-punk musicians who are also fascists there was a Arguably two other groups, but really one important one that I did not mention in that episode and that was the the bowl cast the Bowl Patrol hmm now on the Bowl Patrol
Named after Dylan Roof who was the the kid who went and shot up killed nine people in Charleston, South Carolina in 2014 he had a signature bold style haircut and during the kind of rise up days of the the far-right internet in the in the kind of the the daily show of forums the TRS forums and
And the other Daily Stormer forums and on the sort of the age of the the discord chats the kind of right-wing discord chats there were Channels and there are boards and things devoted to the Bowl Patrol and these are kind of edgy meme lords that you know kind of put bowl memes on to individuals who were kind of wanting to commit violence against Jews or black people or women or you know kind of whatever and You know
Definitely edgier than most of the other stuff that's out there, but sort of within the same basic purview of just kind of what you would see on the internet at that time.
But Cantwell, because he's a radical agenda guy and he wants to be the edgiest of the edgy, embraced these guys.
Because he considered them to be basically just meme lords, just people kind of going out there and pushing the edgiest memes and like, let's push that over to Windows as far as possible.
And that's how we're gonna, you know, get the normies involved by, you know, kind of making it more and more acceptable to say more and more extreme things.
What he seemed not to realize is that they're not joking.
And when he did realize that, they ended up in a long-term battle that has essentially crushed Christopher Cantwell like a bug.
And it's been a really pathetic and really glorious thing to see.
So how is it, how have they accomplished this task of crushing possibly the most easily crushable person in the world?
Well, it's taken some effort, so...
We'll back up here, the bold cast, just to give you a sense of kind of who these guys are.
These are people who, again, we'll kind of post these memes.
These are people who are closely affiliated with the Atomwaffen Division, which we talked about last time.
These are the terrorist group responsible for at least five murders that we know of, mostly of each other, where they got into fights with each other and then one of them decided to go and join ISIS.
Instead of being a far-right white nationalist, he decided to go join ISIS.
And then people got killed over that.
There's a lot of kind of back and forth on those topics.
I've put some links in the show notes to Nate Thayer's blog, who has done probably the best reporting on these guys, and it's definitely worth kind of checking that out.
You can also go read about Adam Woffin Division at the SPLC.
I've included, I've kind of repeated some of the notes from last week and put them back in here as well, so worth checking out.
The...
The way that they managed to kind of crush Cantwell was, well, because they started creating a show.
So they started off as being this kind of like internet meme lords kind of guys, and then they did the show called The Boldcast.
Only eight episodes of The Boldcast were ever produced, and only seven of them are still available.
One of them has been kind of lost in the ether.
But and we're not quite sure kind of what's going on on that one But of those absolutely the very first episode was Chris Cantwell guesting on the bowl cast And we'll get into what's in some of the other episodes shortly But they kind of approach him and they just kind of making jokes about who needs to be killed and all that sort of thing Which is fairly standard Chris Cantwell fair in those days, but he definitely kind of treats it as a joke
The thing is these guys are chaos agents as you would expect from the from the kind of siege pill idea that we discussed last week and they sort of come out there and decide to I think in retrospect the idea was to try to siege pill Chris Cantwell because Cantwell has always been
Regardless of his sort of like edgy posting and all of his, you know, sort of sort of violent rhetoric He's very much a sort of pro-republican pro-government pro like, you know We just have to keep the Democrats out of office kind of guy And he has held on to that much longer than most of the other people in this in this white nationalist thing And I think that their plan was to kind of take this major figure and then like try to get him onto their side the first thing that happened was
James Mason agreed to do an interview with Chris Cantwell.
In retrospect, I actually re-listened to that interview over the weekend because Cantwell took it off of his website, but it is available elsewhere and I can include that.
It is on the Internet Archive.
Go search for it.
This is a two-hour conversation with someone pretending to be James Mason.
James Mason has done one podcast appearance that I know of in the time that I've been following this, and we'll get into that shortly on another website.
But ultimately, it's a very pretty straightforward, not really a kind of mockery kind of thing.
It's just we're going to express the ideals that are in Siege and kind of do kind of the old man and James Mason voice and pretend to be this guy.
They also started kind of calling in and prank calling Cantwell's show.
Cantwell is someone who has always prided himself on doing an open phones radio show.
Anyone can call in and have a call screen or anything of that to that regard, anything that regard.
Well, they started calling in at first it was they just kind of call in and do they do this fake voice from this guy named Asmodor Asmodor is He's an old man an ex-Klan guy.
His real name is Robert Ray.
I'm not Doxie Kim.
It's all known That's his name, but he calls himself Asmodor.
He's closely affiliated with the Daily Stormer.
He is wanted on charges related to unite the right, but has not been arrested, which leads people to think that he might have been doing some informing of his own.
Who knows?
He is in the Charlottesville Race and Terror documentary, the Vice documentary.
He's the old man with the long beard sitting in the back of the van in that pivotal scene, if you remember that documentary.
Anyway, he has a very distinctive voice.
He kind of sounds like this.
Um, and, uh, the leader, uh, the, the, uh, HBIC of the Boat Patrol, um, as he describes himself, a man named, uh, Vic Mackey, um, actually does an, an immaculate impression, impersonation of, uh, Asmodor and, uh, started calling in fake as Asmodor.
At first just kind of once a show or once every other show and as it started to annoy Cantwell more and more because he would just kind of call in and do stupid things and he would do things that would cause Cantwell to break the terms of his probation like naming certain people Cantwell isn't allowed to name.
And as the sort of relationship started to go sour, they started to harass Cantwell more and more on his live show to the point to where he was literally getting dozens of calls, prank calls from these guys on every episode.
And so it just became this, if you think the show was unlicitable to begin with, It just becomes an unrelenting string of Cantwell cursing people out and being unable to take calls to the point that I'm pretty sure it gave him like a serious anxiety disorder while he was actually trying to take calls.
The real kind of moment became like after Cantwell had already kind of kicked these guys off his website because he didn't want to be associated with what they were doing.
He's been He forgot to remove their ability to log into his website which they had given them permission to do in order to post their episodes without him having to do it for them.
He didn't remove their login and they put up a bunch of A bunch of real bullshit on his website claiming that he was, you know, informing to a particular FBI agent and doing various things involving odd sex acts and other kind of sundry.
Basically they defaced his website and that was really the moment at which Cantwell goes fucking nuts.
If you remember there was a moment in which he attempted to reach out to Jared Holt of Right Wing Watch and give Holt information, kind of background information, to write a story about the the Boat Patrol members and sort of the the related people who we're going to get into shortly.
As he He sends out that information, basically to the degree of, like, I have information about my enemies and I think that we could do some real good for each other.
Jared Holt just publishes the email, just going like, yeah, if you want to give me information, that's fine, but I'm not going to abide by your terms, you're a fucking Nazi, who cares?
That's the moment in which even Cantwell's staunchest defenders start to really leave him in droves until he has a fraction of his old audience.
He has been ultimately crushed by his own shitty behavior, but at the hands of this unrelenting harassment by people even worse than he was.
I don't feel bad for Catwell.
You know, you lie down with dogs and wake up and get fleas.
What's the thing there?
Yeah, no, it was, it was, uh, it was, it's, it's been kind of an amazing thing to listen to.
Um, at this point they are still calling into his show multiple times per episode.
And in fact, um, just, uh, last week, uh, they managed to, uh, uh, I, I mentioned that in a previous episode that he had gotten a call screener, a female call screener who, um, was probably a Nazi, but sounded a very pleasant, um, as far as she went.
And, uh, he, uh, Cantwell called her sweetie and sweetheart on the air.
So, um, that wasn't creepy at all.
No.
Um, Apparently, he pissed her off at some point and she gave somebody, presumably the Boat Patrol guys, the PIN number to get into his phone system.
Again, he didn't change the PIN number to get into his phone system when he fired this person and called her a fucking whore.
And they doxed him at his new kind of secondary place in the Silver Springs, Maryland where he's been Spending time.
He's doing something in Silver Springs probably doing some kind of political organizing, but he normally lives in Keene, New Hampshire But he's got kind of a secondary location in Silver Springs Well, they doxed that location live on the air by getting into his system and they use like a robotic voice So it's it's unclear exactly who did it, but I would be amazed if it's not members of the ball patrol so Yeah, they've been fucking with him for a long time now.
Unrelenting, passionately.
Cantwell is convinced these guys are actually federal agents because, in his kind of vernacular, you're like, I am the most important person, most powerful person in the movement.
I can really talk.
And clearly the only reason, the only people who would have any reason to destroy me are the Jews.
And so he thinks essentially that the Bolt Patrol guys are agents of the ADL out to Destroy him specifically because he is the most important person in this narrative.
Hmm makes sense Yeah, no, it makes a perfect internal logic there.
I definitely understand.
Well played, Chris.
I can talk about some of the figures in the Bull Patrol.
We will talk about one of them, the main guy, Vic Mackey, we'll talk about to some degree here shortly.
But at one point during this whole process when he was trying to, when Cantwell was trying to keep the public opinion in the far right movement on his side, as opposed to the siege puller side.
He went on a sort of a little media blitz, describing his side of the situation and saying, like, why I tried to dox people to Jared Holt.
And at one point he goes on this thing called the Kill Stream.
and Docs is a guy who calls himself Mohsen Nagant.
I'm not going to name him on this show, but the Killstream episode is still up there.
And in fact, it's even up there on Chris's website.
So if you want to go listen to that, you can go listen to that whole thing.
It's really hilarious to listen to the Killstream audience, the Ethan Ralphs audience, basically just bantz Cantwell and call him a shithead for two hours.
It's really delightful because Cantwell really is a delightfully awful figure.
Ethan Ralph, we're never going to do a full episode on this guy.
He's one of those kind of, this is one of those kind of original shows in the internet blood sports era.
He's gotten banned from YouTube a couple of times.
He's currently kind of streaming to BitChute primarily.
I believe he does still have a YouTube presence.
It's one of those kind of like two to three hour hangout shows that have kind of a regular retinue of callers and they kind of give money and it's kind of like a grift operation at this point.
It's very low information, low intensity, but it's kind of the baseline far-right standard.
This is what young men on the internet are just kind of listening to at this point.
And so it's interesting to that degree, but it's pretty unlistenable if you have any desire to care about anything beyond just getting a sense of the mood.
I certainly don't make that, put that very high on my list of things to watch and listen to every week.
Uh, but, but Cantwell did go on the show, and he did dox this guy, Mosin-Nagant, after Mosin-Nagant, uh, called into, uh, Cantwell's show.
Um, or called into the Killstream.
And, um, we haven't really heard much from that guy since then.
Um, what he's doing behind the scenes, uh, we don't really know, but he, he definitely, um, said he was not on any future episodes of the Bullcaster, as far as I can tell, any of the other shows.
he may still be hanging out in the chats.
I don't really follow the chats that closely, but it does seem like it did kind of kill his forward momentum in the group at that point.
So a little bit of revenge there for Cantwell.
Yeah, basically.
I mean, Cantwell, and it's funny, even then he has this weird sense of internal ethics where he wouldn't dox these guys from the shipping information.
All of these guys have bought things from his store or donated money to him, and therefore they've bought a Radical Agenda t-shirt or a sticker or whatever, so he has shipping information for them.
He has dox information for these guys He knows who they are He knows who these guys are who are actually terrorists if you then understand like the level of Anxiety and fear and paranoia that Chris Cantwell lives with and the number of guns he keeps in his house You understand he has a like legitimate fear that they're going to come and like shoot him in the head as opposed to Yeah, yeah.
That's a genuinely stressful situation, I suppose.
And suddenly a lot of the kind of emotional collapse of Chris Cantwell starts to make a lot more sense once you kind of understand the just kind of general level of awfulness that they have made his life.
Yeah, yeah.
That's a genuinely stressful situation, I suppose.
Although, you know, as with all of this, he's got nobody to blame but himself.
Yeah, I mean, if he would stop being a racist shithead and if he had not like started and if he had not like gotten in with these guys to begin with and if he had kind of realized they meant what they said.
Maybe he wouldn't be in this situation.
But, who knows?
So, you've mentioned this Mackie guy, Vic Mackie.
Tell me more about him and the Ball Patrol generally.
Well, sure.
The one thing is that we don't know a lot about him personally.
Again, the journalist, the independent journalist Nate Thayer, is attempting to hunt him down.
There is a post I've linked which includes non-confirmed information about him.
I'm not particularly interested in who he is personally.
I'm interested in the effect he has on the people around him and on the movement.
But I think the best way to describe, to really kind of get at Who he is and what his effect on the world is is to read a little segment because I mentioned he's like threatened people and he's you know, and we've done a bit of kind of talking about that work like Cantwell has made statements that are plausibly in a kind of arena of you know, threatening people and that sort of thing and this is this is this is kind of on another level and so this will be a difficult thing to listen to this is a
Transcript that I've done I've massaged it a bit to sort of clean it up and to make it readable Because it's on a terrible microphone and three people are kind of talking over each other and it's just kind of the structure of that podcast but This is something Vic Mackey had to say about a prominent anti-fascist Online and and on the streets anti-fascist who I will not name on this show But this this is what he said about this about this one.
I But as I was saying, normally I would advocate to the death against even touching one of those yentas, by that he means Jewish women, or anything like that.
But I'll tell ya, if it's like locked in a room, it's go time.
I'll tell ya, in Roblox.
That would be getting the pistol whip and that it would be getting the bowl.
You still have to be really hard.
It would be really hard not to do it though.
I mean normally because they repulse me and I would never even want to want to copulate with one of these creatures.
But it would just be really hard not to just seeing the fear in its eyes like a shriveled up battered Yenta.
Just seeing like a disappearing desk wetting itself in this abject terror.
That's a hint of the flavor of the kinds of overt threats that he gives on this show.
He threatens many, many people.
He mentions my name, although he doesn't threaten me.
He doesn't threaten to rape me to death, which I guess is positive.
The Telegram message boards that I've seen and the Discord message apps are, if anything, even more overt and even more extreme.
But here, he's basically saying it would be hard to bother to touch one of these Jewish activists.
But just to see the fear in his eyes, I would I would I would rape it to death and using it in very obviously that kind of deep dehumanizing language.
Yeah, that's that's that's the style of the broadcast.
Right.
Yeah, that makes it pretty clear what sort of people we're dealing with, I would say.
I want to highlight a couple of things there one is that he does the like I'll tell you in roblox now if you don't know roblox is essentially a it's it's sort of a Another version of Minecraft sort of thing.
It's like a child's game a lot of these kind of far-right siege pill activists have been infiltrating the the chat servers for these games and then literally trying to convert children into This kind of far-right ideology, which is awesome But they always kind of do the thing like in Minecraft.
This has been a meme for a while of like if you're going to say something like FedPosty and FedPosty is like saying something that will get the federal government interested in you or that someone who is a Fed trying to get other people to do things would say.
They call it FedPosting.
And so like kind of like overt acts of like overt threats of violence or overt like statements of these people should just be murdered or we should go out and kill these people.
And then they append it with in Minecraft or in Roblox or in Call of Duty, et cetera, et cetera, as a way of deflecting from their actual murderous intent, you see.
I also want to highlight that he's doing this on a podcast, which is does not have a large listenership.
I mean, it's hard to know from from something that doesn't really have like it's not on YouTube or anything.
So it doesn't have like a public counter.
But these shows are not are not like kind of major shows.
These are not kind of kind of big things with big audiences.
You know, you've got to imagine that the majority of the audience for these things is people like me, ultimately.
And so the complexity then becomes like, The goal, I think the goal, I think what Vic Mackey wants to do is he wants me to talk about it.
He wants to threaten people so that people write about him and so that people talk about him and increase the tension in the system and cause the government to kind of come after him, cause the federal government to come after him, cause people to put more and more pressure on the communities to create a backlash, to make people lash out more.
And so, either I don't talk about him, in which case he gets to go out and kind of spread his word in the kind of secret little underground places that he's going, or I do talk about him, in which case I'm ultimately feeding into the exact thing he wants.
But I really think, like, reading this and listening to him and kind of listening to him on other shows, his goal is to make people like me upset.
And I'm kind of refusing to do that at this point, you know?
You he is a frightening individual he is someone I have no doubt that after this episode airs that there will be my face will be all over Telegram and they will you know put little targets over it and you know bullet holes in my forehead or whatever They'll threaten to rape my dog.
They'll threaten to you know perform satanic rituals I'm a lot of these guys have connections to the call the order of the nine angles which is a satanic organization a far-right satanic organization and There's a lot of joking about methamphetamine.
They talk about weapons all the time.
In fact, even in that episode, he's talking about, like, we need a few more slide racks in here.
And so they're, like, playing with guns on microphone to indicate that, oh, no, we're actually serious about actually doing these things.
And virtually everyone who has talked about these guys or written about these guys or done anything even in social media has gotten these kinds of threats.
And while I do take that completely seriously, I think the goal is to fuck with our heads.
And so part of the reason I'm doing this episode is just to kind of lay it out there and say this is the information we have, there are lots of people tracking this, and ultimately we can only kind of sit in the shadows so long on these things.
And so that's kind of the reality.
It's worth noting that Vic Becky has connections in the in kind of the larger world.
In fact, he has some Some fairly high up connections.
I'm including two political figures Who we may do full episodes on in the future but one of which is a Pat Little now Pat Little is a guy who was kind of red-pilled after reading the culture of critique which I promise we are gonna eventually do that episode we just kind of got sidetracked by talking about terrorists for a while and
But he did read this viciously anti-semitic book by Kevin MacDonald And essentially went into a tailspin for about six months and you know learned to hate and did all the kind of quote-unquote research he could He's a former.
I believe he's a former Marine He did attend Unite the Right.
I actually found on video not that long ago the moment where he met Mike Enoch And he claims to have kind of worked security for Enoch at that time.
There are photos of him kind of near there I'm not sure if
How accurate that is but he kind of makes he makes a lot of kind of vague claims But he ran for Senate in California to kind of take over Dianne Feinstein seat in a 2018 He claims the election was stolen from him that there were Irregularities, but um, he's one of those like overtly like like I he said on one show I will send Israel all the nuclear weapons at once all the nuclear weapons at once as long as they're they're exploded as long as they're you know, we're going to bomb them not provide for their military defense any longer and
This is a he's an overtly kind of kind of kill all the Jews guy and his strategy is to Rile up the african-american communities and show them that no it was the Jews who did slavery not white people and therefore you should take Your reparations from the Jews by force if necessary, etc, etc Well, Vic Mackey and one of the other Boat Patrol guys a guy who goes by illegal Aryan who I don't believe there's any kind of I don't have any real information on him, but he calls himself a legal Aryan.
These two guys actually worked on Pat Little's campaign in California, and followed him around while he was doing this thing he calls jaywalking, which is essentially going out and naming the Jew in public on public streets in California.
Again, we can kind of get more into Pat Little in a future episode.
We might kind of do a full episode on him and kind of other figures like him.
But they actually worked on his campaign, which means that presumably there's some public records about like pay steps somewhere, I'm just putting that out there but they also befriended a guy named Paul Nealon and Paul Nealon is another political figure.
He's a guy who was actually connected to Steve Bannon.
He was trying to run for the House of Representatives and take Paul Ryan's seat in the House.
So Paul Ryan was the Speaker of the House up until just a couple years ago.
In the house in the first district of Wisconsin and a Paul Nealon lives in that district Paul Nealon is kind of this entrepreneurial guy He's a run factories.
I mean he was just kind of like a kind of far-right Trump ish Republican He got some money from Steve Bannon.
He had actually a sort of he was kind of considered an up-and-comer He did not win his a race against Paul Ryan As bad as Paul Ryan is that's probably a positive move but
If Chris Cantwell was on the first episode of the boy of the bowl cast Paul Nealon was on the second It appears that while Paul Nealon was running He did actually appear on like the fascination podcast and he did some other kind of media in this kind of far-right overtly fascistic media, although he mostly kind of stayed away from kind of doing the Naming Jewish people and kind of like talking about genocide on that sort of thing But he you know was kind of a pro-nationalist edgier than Trump but you know still within that kind of frame kind
Well, um looks like the bolt guys siege killed him they got him to read siege and he has been I'm seen wearing the Robert Bowers st.
Bowers they call him a Robert Bowers is the man who?
Killed those people at the pen about Pittsburgh synagogue back in 2018.
Yep, and He's been and all these guys all these shooters these mass shooters get named they get they called st Bowers and you know st.
Ernest and st You know Ruth, you know, so they all get they'll get canonized as saints within this community And you can see, you know, he wears a you know, Bowers did nothing wrong st.
Bowers t-shirt While doing events while he's trying to kind of go about his day-to-day life.
Um And Paul Nealon has been incredibly loyal to the Boat Patrol guys.
In fact, both he and Pat Little appeared on another podcast, which we'll get to in a moment, and got into an argument about how best to start the race war.
And in that moment, Paul Nealon said, you know, what we need is a million Robert Bowers.
I mean, if we get a million Robert Bowers, we could really pop this thing off and have the Civil War, and then we could take this thing back.
And this is someone who was a relatively mainstream Republican three years ago.
So yeah, that's where we are on that siege pill phenomenon.
Paul Nealon is a vicious, horrible human being who still sounds, if you get him off that topic, he's got a very soft-spoken voice.
Sounds like a super nice guy, but he's absolutely radicalized to kill all the Jews by force, by siege.
So that's where that is.
So that gives you a sense of sort of the reach of this guy, Mackie, and sort of the world in which he lives.
the podcast that Nealon and Pat Little appeared on and which Vic Mackey showed up on a kind of late in the episode.
And although he was doing it under his kind of Asmodore impersonation, so that as to a sort of disguise him himself from anyone like me that might be listening in, of course I know who he was cause I recognize his voice.
But, and I clearly it was, he was talking exactly.
I mean, he, he even, he's like, Oh, those bull patrol guys, who knows what those guys are like.
Those are, those guys are assholes.
Clearly.
No, clearly we know who you are.
Vic is fine.
Yeah.
He appeared on the, the show called Goy Talk Live.
Now Goy Talk Live was a previously part of the Heel Turn Network, which again, go back and re-listen to the last episode.
Heel Turn was this network started by Joaquin Hawk.
Also Seth Wallace is his real name.
Kind of Richard Spencer joined that.
They got Augustus Invictus, who's now running for president and Vanguard streaming was one of the other kind of sub channels in that.
And these guys were kind of, vaguely siege-pilled of far-right figures who as things went kind of further and further as 2018 turned into 2019 as the sort of spate of mass shooting started Got further and further to the right and I can only imagine that's at least partly through Mackey's influence because we know that Mackey has appeared on a lot of those shows and kind of has been hanging out with those guys hanging out in the chats and The kind of the YouTube comment sections and that sort of thing.
Um, and And has been kind of actively siege-pilling a lot of these figures.
Now, we can go into some of the details on the Goitok guys in general, but they kind of sounded like kind of vaguely they wanted to joke about mass shooting, but not really kind of like encouraging it until the Christchurch Massacre.
And since the Christchurch Massacre, they have gone pretty much all in on actually doing episodes that directly praise mass shooting and actively advocate for terror.
In fact, As that summer has kind of gone on and as we've kind of seen more and more shootings, they have done episodes explicitly devoted to reading these manifestos and talking about them.
In fact, just before they deleted all their content, they read the four-page El Paso Shooter's manifesto and talked about how he seemed a lot like a kind of a normal Republican who wasn't quite as far along as they were, but was definitely in the right frame of mind and encouraged people to do something.
Um, even if it's going and planting a garden, um, we will not actively encourage you to go shoot people because, uh, that's illegal.
Um, but we certainly won't disavow you after the fact.
And if you're white and do these things, um, then you get to be canonized as a saint.
And, um, yeah, this is, uh, one of the things that worries me most about these things is that you have, uh, these, these groups who are kind of doing these secretive transmissions, um, which are barely archived if at all.
and actively advocating, actively cheering on the mass shooting.
It's not so much even advocating, it's the, you will be remembered by us, you will be called a saint, you will be We will laugh at your victims.
We will encourage you to do this and we're going to egg you on.
And yet these figures, while they encourage this, are not actually doing anything by themselves.
These guys are not going out and shooting people.
They are throwing spitballs where they hope that other people are going to throw bullets.
And in that sense, They're kind of untouchable by the Feds, you know?
You can't go after them unless they make either direct threats or unless they're kind of organizing on their own.
And that's the real danger of these figures.
Yeah, they're providing incentives without actually explicitly encouraging.
So they're dancing on the line of legality, I suppose, aren't they?
And staying just on the right side of it.
Right.
I mean, there are four main guys who are in Goitalk.
They do talk about themselves a fair amount, although they don't reveal kind of direct identifying details on themselves.
But you include a guy who calls himself Dino, who's a sort of a former rapper who's worked on music videos.
He's a former, quote unquote, wigger, kind of back in the day, and who apparently at least used to live in New York.
He wears a mask on camera.
I mean, you can kind of look at the videos and he wears a mask that kind of disguises his face.
I think he's claiming that the reason that they quit doing the show for a while was because he just had a baby born.
I just saw it on his Twitter feed.
So he just had another son, I believe, or a daughter.
I can't remember if he said the gender of his child.
That's that's him.
There's a guy named PZ who pretends to be a cat and does cat gang is is the thing that he does and he does a Sorry a Jewish stereotype who pretends to be a cat.
He pretends to be a cat.
Yes his avatar is a cat and so he's like because I guess in real life he really likes cats although he apparently he doesn't own a cat but he's a guy who just sort of like his thing is that he he doesn't he doesn't like do he's not like doing like a furry thing on air it's just sort of like oh well I am a cat and that's why I can't own a cat but he just loves cats it's sort of like his thing like a lot of his like memes are kind of it's sort of the way he's represented online is like as a
Right.
particular kind of small cat.
And so you can see hashtag cat gang and that sort of thing.
And it's all kind of related to this figure who calls himself Peasy.
And then he does a couple different characters.
He does someone called Maga Peasy is the character he does.
And that's sort of a boomer type old man who has a live-in servant named Eduardo who...
It's implied that they have a sexual relationship and all that sort of thing It's basically like talking about how all the boomers all the old boomers who will be all we were on the Trump train But they're ultimately cucks who aren't gonna actually go out and do anything and commit mass murder Which is what we should be doing because they're ultimately they they wouldn't just want to defend their guns But they they're not like overt racist enough.
So So he does that character.
He does a character called Finky who is a Jewish stereotype and it's all about like I'm schlepping foreskins and it's all like really vile disgusting.
So I'm trying to give you a sense of What listening to the show is like these are like four hour live streams, you know I'm just trying to give you a sense of kind of what the little characters that they do and then kind of who they are It sounds third guy calls himself Arnell.
Oh, it's hilarious.
This is this is delightful content.
I'm especially when I There was one episode where they did like Magga Peasy for like an hour and a half, I think, and it was, I mean, you know, you just tune out to it after a while.
It's just, you know, even the other hosts are starting to get like sick of listening to it.
Third guy, he calls himself Arnel Schwarzenegger.
He either uses a voice changer or he does this kind of particular voice where he pretends to be like half German and half black the the goal of the character is that he's the like the the abandoned half-black offspring of Arnold Schwarzenegger and his avatar is a kind of a blackface Arnold Schwarzenegger kind of cartoon and apparently in real life he's a bodybuilder and And a gunsmith.
He talks a lot about guns.
They did an episode called Gun Talk with Arnell, which was three and a half hours of talking about, you know, what kind of guns you need in the race war and what kinds of guns you need to protect yourself after the collapse of civilization.
All those kind of delightful things.
He talks a lot about survivalism.
He's a little bit older than the other guys.
I think he's kind of in his late 30s, early 40s.
But he does have a couple of kids.
And he does a lot of kind of guest appearances on some of these other shows, which we can kind of get into here shortly.
But the main figure, the one that I think is the quietest one, but the one that is definitely the most hardcore, is the guy who calls himself Paddocksburg.
Paddocksburg, he named himself after Stephen Paddock, who killed 50 people in Las Vegas in 2017.
The largest mass shooter in U.S. history.
At least in the modern era, we can avoid whether the Sand Creek Massacre counts and all that sort of thing.
But largest modern mass shooter.
Yeah Caused himself Paddock Spurg.
So he's the Spurg the nerdy version of Paddock He's also a an artist.
He talks a lot about the the kind of the great art Apparently he went to art school.
He's a someone who has tried to do it professionally He is about the vilest sort of racist.
You can imagine he is he He routinely calls the Jewish people the swine.
He uses terms that sort of come out of, he doesn't quite go straight up to like Christian identity stuff, but certainly like calling Jews swine, calling them, some of the language kind of lends more towards that kind of Christian, obviously Jews are not You know that doesn't that's not unique to Christian identity, but he does give me that kind of sense I don't think that he quite follows that faith, but he's he claims to have his own religious beliefs But um, he is a pretty overtly virulent racist.
Um, he will kind of go out there and actively advocate I mean he describes how disgusted he apparently has to ride public transit every day and it finds it utterly disgusting to have to sit on on public transit with surrounded by black people and Good.
And he's the one who does audiobooks, reading George Lincoln Rockwell's books onto audio and putting that up on YouTube.
He's put up, I think he was doing a version of Siege for a while.
He's done a lot of that kind of stuff.
And he's the one who did the podcast Day of the Rope.
The day of the rope being the time after the race war and when all the people like me are gonna hang from trees.
And on that show, Episode 4, which aired right before they had deleted all their archives, he was the one who hung out with a couple of the guys and read the Fort Page Manifesto and cheered it on.
The El Paso Shooters Manifesto.
So, that's those guys!
Yeah, what a charming bunch of individuals.
Yeah, they sound really worth listening to.
Well, you know and they put out a you know, a couple of three to four hour episodes a week Although they've been a silent for a while again.
The rumors are coming back, but that's a goy talk live and you can wonder How do they get away with that?
How do they manage to not get past the TOS?
Again, as I described in the last episode, they have a channel.
They put it up live.
If it gets halted, if YouTube kind of shuts it down, they just sort of continue the recording and then put it up on the archive page.
And their archive page is always on BitChute or on some other video hosting site.
And then they put it up on their personal website so that it's not actually on YouTube long enough for people to flag it now.
Now, nowadays there are enough people who kind of know to watch for it that the live streams do get shut down.
And maybe there's someone at YouTube kind of tracking it as well.
But that's the methodology.
That's what they've learned.
For a while, they were able to kind of collect super chats and other kind of donations kind of come in through those systems.
They have gotten kicked off of all of those systems.
And there was a piece that I put in the show notes from Angry White Men, which kind of describes this process.
Also, I put a link to Angry White Men talking about that Patrick Little, Paul Nealon episode, if you want a little bit more detail on that.
But there is a piece of There's PC.
I've got it.
Uh, you know white nationalists have been quietly collecting donations through a live streaming site And if you want to kind of read that that that will give you a little bit more detail on these guys that is by by eyes on the right over at angry white men and Just as an aside this was the piece that sort of talked a little bit about the like the honkler meme and how they've kind of embraced the
The the honk honk or the the clown world meme which we kind of discussed in a previous episode Tim pool put this when he did his episode of his show about how the clown meme isn't really racist even the racist use it he read this article and then put up the screen of two of these guys aren't I think it was our nail and Dino and
Up on his little screen with five hundred five hundred thousand viewers for several for about 30 30 45 seconds Like oh, well, these guys are clearly racist, but most of the people on this are not actually racist Yeah, great job like showing your audience who the real racist are as if you know who these guys are Tim pool That's interesting.
Yeah, he may have just gotten it from the original piece and you know Tim, you're doing a great job of pointing people directly to the racists they should go follow, despite claiming you're not a racist.
Great job, guy.
Just wanted to kind of throw that out there.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
Fuck Tim Poole and anybody who takes him seriously as a journalist.
Indeed.
He is on the list to do again.
We kind of got distracted by having to talk about terrorists for a while, but Tim Poole's definitely on our list to cover at some point in the not-too-distant future.
Believe it or not, Goitok is not the furthest right of these programs, believe it or not.
All the things I just told you about this kind of Goitok crew, they do guest hosts on other shows, including one called The Gas Station, and The Gas Station is not talking about petrol, it's talking, well, the lead guy who runs that calls himself Sarin, as in sarin gas, as in gassing people and killing them, you know.
This guy calls himself underwater Alex Jones is apparently from Windsor, Ontario That's kind of all that anybody really has been able to dig up on him or at least all I've been able to Like, I don't really care about his real identity, but he will actually yell into the microphone about the need to kill all the weaklings, and all the people who are all the cucks just need to fucking die, because he just works himself up to a righteous anger.
He mostly does behind-the-scenes, kind of background, kind of production work on these live shows, but when he appears, he's definitely a very angry man, on the radio at least, and yeah, that's delightful.
Um, The Gas Station is one of those shows where you can easily find episodes.
That one is actually still up, I believe.
I put a, uh, yeah, I've got a link in the, to, to its BitChute channel.
And that one just put out an episode of just a couple days ago.
I haven't had a chance to watch that one yet So they they did not delete their archives.
I mean, that's that's still up David Duke has been on both the gas station and go talk live and in fact back in the days before they really got kind of this overtly You know siege build stuff like a lot of these guys like Alex McNabb has appeared on these shows Eric Stryker has appeared Mike Enoch has appeared They seem to have kind of dissed themselves since
You get more into this kind of overt talking about terrorism stuff in which case there's this kind of nucleus where they really only kind of talk to each other but it is worth that there are kind of connections there and Alex Manette kind of was a mess with me on Twitter the other day and you know kind of when I was talking about our now when our now I'm bugged me and um he was kind of sort of defending them and i was like well alex you really want to defend the guy who does terror talk with paddocksburg is that is that really the place where you want to land or your optics not quite come out
quite good enough there but uh yeah that's the uh that's the world we live in in which um there is this kind of diffuse but um concrete web connections between all these all these figures and And talking about the TRS connection, as diffuse as it might be, I think it is worth mentioning one other figure.
Just because he continually gets left out of these things and he always feels really bad when he does because he thinks he should be more important than he really is.
He's a deeply, deeply stupid human being.
And he used to be on the TRS network.
He's a guy who calls himself Southern Dingo.
I've been following this guy for a while.
He was my intro to a lot of these guys, actually.
And Dingo is...
He was a former Little Debbie driver who got kind of locally doxxed like somebody in his orbit found out he was a fucking racist open National Socialist Nazi shithead and He got fired from his job He reached out to Mike Enoch.
This was in the days kind of either right before right after Unite the Right I can't remember exactly the timing but this was this was kind of in the heyday of the Daily Show and the TRS Network and I They invited him to kind of come on and be a be a you know kind of one of the one of the hosts on the network basically you can kind of come on and join and put your stuff off on our page and we'll kind of get some donations for you and all that sort of thing.
Apparently Dingo is loved.
His real name is Jeff.
I don't know anything else about his personal life, but his real name is Jeff.
He openly calls himself Jeff on his show.
His friends call him Jeff.
He lives in Louisiana.
He does talk a lot about himself for someone who wants to not lose his job for the third time.
Probably not the best thing to do there, Ningo.
But he's the one who actually uh, you know, there are a lot of misogynists in this movement and I'm not saying Dino isn't one of them, but he does Give advice like, you know, if you want to make a girl come you got to eat her out in the shape of a swastika you know, he does he does kind of give that level of Attentive detail to the to the women in his life.
I'm at least claims to so I That's delightful.
He is a vicious, horrifying racist against black people in particular.
And the image that I've kind of given Jack to put on this podcast is a photo of his face, a screenshot, because again, for a guy who is trying not to lose his job, he did a New Year's Eve stream in low lighting at that and in blackface, which looks to be just shoe polish or something.
And I happen to be sitting online and caught that on New Year's Eve because I have nothing better to do with my life on New Year's Eve than to watch a racist variety show where he did a character named Ladarius and said things like, you know, what's the
Lots of lots of black people come in a lot of rape jokes and that sort of thing He's that that that that's the general level of humor that the dingo has He calls his podcast the southern AF podcast because originally it was him and an Australian friend of his although his Australian friend left him pretty early on and
Then now he has kind of regular co-hosts who are South African and so they sit and talk about the South African farm murders on a regular basis and kind of glory in the details of that and then make fun of the the African people the the the black people in South Africa there, you know how big their lips are I mean, there's a lot of like pulling up the photos and going like oh Oh, this guy is disgusting.
You can watch me corn cobs and that sort of thing.
It's very puerile, juvenile, really stupid humor.
He's an overt National Socialist, an overt siege pillar, and he has done interviews with, like, ordinary boomer-type people trying to get, like, local legislation to get, you know, illegal aliens out of their communities, and he's tried to kind of make inroads to them.
He's a very polite Southern boy, and he is really, really fucking racist.
Yeah, for a while his channel got wiped not that long ago.
He's kind of brought it back.
He does have a recent episode I haven't had a chance to listen to.
But yeah, Dingo, you were the one that kind of helped me to define this.
So, you know, good for you, buddy.
Thanks.
I appreciate it.
I have interacted with him a bit on Twitter, and I put a link to his Twitter so you can go say hi to him and let him know that he got mentioned on this episode.
I think he would be delighted to find out.
Yeah, yeah, recognition at last.
One more thing I'll just mention before we wrap up here, and I did mention that James Mason had done exactly one PieCast appearance in my memory.
And that was, he appeared on a network called Radio Werewolf.
Now, as near as I can determine, Radio Werewolf doesn't exist any longer.
They had gotten their podcast hosting, their website got dropped, and then they were on a new host, and I think they were over with the same host that does the Gab.ai, hosting their Epic, I think is the name of that company.
I had thought they were with them for a while, but then now they pulled that website down, so I'm not sure exactly what's going on there.
They Anyway, I haven't been able to find kind of a more recent thing that they were doing They had a little bit of a YouTube presence, but mostly in kind of an individual basis I'm reading a werewolf is kind of this collection of guys There's this guy named called called Gadsden and he did something called the green pills perspective, which is a eco fascist thing This is one of these, you know, the problem with Hitler is that he didn't kill enough Jews like, you know We don't think the Holocaust happened even if it had he should he should have gone all the way sort of thing I believe he's also a teenager
Yeah, pretty pretty kind of fucked up thing.
There's a guy named John Beatty who does You know a show that's about John Beatty is one of these old-school You know Nazi types in Canada and he when I say old school I mean he's he's a guy who's like literally six years seventy years old who is kind of active in the movement back in the day and his whole thing is calling all the kind of liberals and leftists and communists in Antifa and Oh, you little puke you little pukes.
I'm gonna come after you little pukes.
It's a pretty delightful racist old band listening if that's what you're into But the big thing with radio werewolf is that these are kind of old-school clan guys old-school skinheads who you know, we're kind of active in the metal scene back in the day and these are leaderless resistance types and And briefly before their hosting got wiped for the second time The bowl cast was hosted on Radio werewolf as was a dingo show.
So the ningo the other Sunday F podcast Although I'm not sure how much he actually uploaded but he was definitely kind of part of that same group and I think that's one of the things that I want to kind of I know I've kind of only painted the broadest picture of this at this point and I've tried to give you just a hint of who these personalities are and The point is that there's a sort of wide movement here.
There's sort of a wide group of people that come from slightly different walks of life, who are all kind of feeding into this kind of general idea, this general kind of siege pill community.
And it's coalescing into something that's slightly more organized, and I'm not quite sure where it's going to go.
I was I got I got messages from the last one that said and for the last episode like Yeah, that was that was really bleak and that was a really bleak episode and I suspect this one will be even more bleak Although I've tried to I kind of keep the the worst of it from you But these are these are genocidal racists.
These are these are these are these are people that think that the other people I've talked about on this show that think like Mikey and I can Richard Spencer and all those guys are are effectively useless and those guys are cucks these are guys who start where they leave off and And I think that that's the import is that this thing is getting more and more hardcore.
And depending on what we're going to see in the next few months, this could be kind of a new coalescence going into 2020.
And who knows what the election is going to do to all this.
So yeah, terrorism.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's wonderful.
What a wonderful world.
Yeah, the election and everything is, I mean, whichever way it goes, basically, it's going to be like, it's going to be like something that catalyzes, you know, the mutations currently breeding in the toxic swamp, isn't it?
I mean, the alt-right, the movement of the alt-right was very much catalyzed in the year and a half leading up to the 2016 election, and kind of culminated in election night 2016.
And so, we're kind of seeing that again now.
We're seeing something that's even more aggressive, even more hardcore, but less connected to a traditional political movement.
You know these guys aren't kind of amassing on the streets.
These aren't like proud boys.
These aren't kind of those kind of figures we're seeing a Active, you know kind of pushing of like mass shooting and active pushing of this kind of Direct violence kind of ideology it would not surprise me if we get You know bank robberies, and if we get sort of sort of you know murders frankly of people doing this kind of work and people of anti-fascists and of politicians and
I mean, who knows what we're going to see, but this is definitely not going away.
And I think it's important to highlight exactly what the state of it is right now.
And yeah, that's the best I got.
Yeah, because this runs the risk of developing into, you know, hopefully worst case scenario, a fully fledged movement of domestic far-right terrorism.
Even if it is scattered and diffuse because of the nature of how it's propagated, it would nevertheless be a movement.
And it's a terrifying prospect.
As kind of pathetic and inconsequential and infantile as these ridiculous idiot people are, they are horrifyingly dangerous.
They are and even if even if not, I mean, that's one of the things that like I read that Vic Mackey threat on the air, you know, is Vic Mackey going to actually come and rape that person and like rape dogs and skin dogs alive and put them into through satanic rituals and all that sort of thing as he claims?
That's, I mean, it's it's kind of Schrodinger's murderer, right?
Like it's it's not real until it is.
Yeah.
But certainly he's pushing that kind of rhetoric and like kind of making inroads into like you hear rumors about kind of different people.
He's into like true crime fan communities, like young women who are who are kind of into into true crime podcasts and, you know, kind of like
He's trying to kind of go in there and talk to them and try to get them into sort of like romanticizing Mass shooters and so that maybe they will do something like that of their own and kind of go in and kind of be serial killers I mean, that's the kind of Activity that he's kind of like suggesting to his followers and that sort of thing and in these kind of private chats that are away from even the places that I monitor ultimately and and That's why
That's why this stuff is really dangerous, because the point is to increase the tension in society, to increase the amount of violence, to increase more and more chaos until people have had enough and somebody comes in with the steel boots and forces some quote-unquote order on this whole thing.
And that's where we are.
That's how fascist movements are built.
And it's not over.
And that's where we are.
Yeah.
Even if it never goes beyond threats in this or that individual case, there's still terroristic threats.
And terroristic threats are called terroristic threats because the aim is the same as terrorism.
It's to inspire terror and to inspire chaos.
You know, agitation, and as you say, to exacerbate these problems, to push them towards the desired political solution.
And these people make it abundantly, I mean, apart from the fact that it's just wrong in itself to try to terrify people with threats, but these people, their desired political solution, they're open about the fact that it involves mass murder, that it involves genocide of the people they hate.
And that's what they're trying to push it towards.
And I think that's why People need to know about these people.
We talked a little bit about this last time.
There's kind of this Catch-22 where you need to talk about it so that people know about it.
But at the same time, by talking about it, you're kind of giving them a profile.
Exposing them and kind of, as you talked about in this episode, one of the things they're trying to do is to upset people like us.
You said they're talking to people like you on one of the podcasts you're listening to.
But at the same time, you know, people have to know that this is happening.
Exactly.
And let me just kind of highlight this at the end.
I'm not the only one following this.
There are many many many people doing this work and there are people writing about this and talking about this and researching this and digging into all these details and I'm in contact with many of them, you know, and This is this is my my goal is to try to make this more available and to make this more well-known So that anyone with information anybody who can kind of come forward anyway who knows anything who can help out?
I We need all the information we can get because this stuff is very much under the underground.
These are the wriggling worms beneath the wriggling worms underneath the log.
There are only so many hours in a day for anybody to cover it.
That's the point.
If you have information, particularly about Vic Mackey, contact the journalist Nate Thayer, who I'm not in direct contact with, but I know he's looking for any information that anybody has about this guy, because he is overtly trying to figure out who Mackey is.
He thinks he has an idea.
He thinks he has some photographs of him, but he's definitely looking for that.
And so definitely reach out to Nate Thayer, who has also done amazing work about Adam Waffen and is incredibly courageous at tracking these guys and kind of going where they live.
And so that's what I'd recommend that people do.
If you have any kind of direct information about these guys, please contact Nate Thayer.
You can contact me, but ultimately I'm just going to kind of feed it along to kind of up the food chain a bit.
So, yeah, that's where we are.
Yeah, and you're right, there's a lot of people doing this work, not just you, although you do great work.
All of these people that are doing this work, that are doing this research, that are getting this information out there, it's bloody awesome.
Thank you for the work you do and the bravery that it takes to all of you, including you, Daniel.
Yeah.
So, we'll wind up- I'm just a guy who- I'm just a guy listening to podcasts, it's fine.
Yeah, but, you know, that's- Yeah, we should wrap up.
That's a task, you know, you wade through this shit, I don't.
Yeah, we'll wrap up now, before I get embarrassingly sincere.
Yeah, so that's episode 29, that was The Siege Pill 2, Fascistic Boogaloo, back in my territory now, stupid jokes.
And yeah, you can find Daniel on Twitter at Daniel E Harper.
You can find me on Twitter at underscore Jack underscore Graham underscore.
If you want to get in touch with us, please do to tell us how great we are.
I always feel bad about puffing my Patreon after talking about this because I feel like I'm profiting or asking to profit from it.
We have Patreons, and if you can contribute something, that is very helpful to us to keep this going.
But as I always say, it's helpful just to listen and spread the word.
That's very much appreciated as well.
Just to let this let you know I do have a proton mail in my in my Twitter handle my Twitter description So if you do want to communicate to me securely and that's the way to do so I do try to get back to people as fast as I can but I'm always behind on that because I get a lot of really weird emails so no just let you know that is that I definitely recommend if you if If you do want to contact me, particularly with anything remotely sensitive, that's the way to do it.
I also have all the encrypted chat apps because of course I do.
So yes, if you do have information you need to share securely, you don't want to do it through a Twitter DM, there are ways of going about that.
Just please email me and we can take care of that.
Yeah, that would be very much appreciated if you have some information or something to tell us.
We do have something lined up for next week, don't we?
Do you want to sort of sketch that in to tease the listeners?
Yeah, yeah, I've got a I've got a guest a new guest a first-time guest.
I'm not sure how they want to be identified just yet, but we've been moving kind of chatting and we're gonna talk a lot about the The clan activity in the 50s and 60s and sort of the the FBI's response to that which is really kind of it really feels like an on-point topic for this so I
We're gonna talk about this figure named JB stoner and sort of the the kind of the Basically white nationalist white supremacist terror of decades past and so this will be kind of a learning experience for me because this isn't a topic that I have kind of direction knowledge of this person has done a ton of research into into into kind of deep archives and and I think we'll bring a really kind of fresh perspective and something a little bit different than what we've been doing, but which is also kind of directly connected.
So yeah, that's what we're gonna be doing next week.
We do have that planned out, and I'm looking forward to it personally.
I'm really excited to get to have that conversation.
