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Feb. 5, 2019 - I Don't Speak German

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I Don't Speak German, Episode 5: Christopher Cantwell, Part 1

In this episode, Daniel and Jack make their first assault on the mountain of bullshit, bile, and batshittery that is Christopher 'the Crying Nazi' Cantwell.

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	So welcome to I Don't Speak German, which I think is a really clever title actually, but nobody else gets, episode five.
	And we're back talking to Daniel Harper, who's been listening, can you believe this, listening to the alt-right, the far-right, the white supremacists, the Nazis basically, for two years plus.
	And has come back to tell us what he's heard.
	Hi Daniel, how you doing?
	Doing great.
	I only listened to a couple of hours of Nazi podcasts today, so you know, I'm doing better than usual on a Sunday.
	You're slacking.
	Yeah.
	Actually, though, I think I listened to about, I did listen to like four or five hours now that I think of it.
	You have a strange life.
	I do.
	But for this episode, as advertised, we're going to be talking about A person about whom there is just mountains of bullshit to get through so i mean apologies to the listeners in advance if this is a bit of a disorganized one a bit of a rambling one but it's very hard to organize the bullshit into any kind of coherent story because there's so much of it.
	There's just so much there's just so much with this guy.
	Yeah, and the the guy in question is Christopher Cantwell who if you've heard of it I mean you might be dear listener might be very well up on this, but if you've heard of him at all You probably know him as the crying Nazi.
	He's the guy who was in the vice documentary Charlottesville race and terror Which was quite widely seen and then popped up afterwards in the video where he cried into his webcam He's that guy so Daniel.
	Tell me about will tell me about that for a start.
	I Sure, and I want to just kind of like preface this by saying that, you know, we're now in episode 5, we have discussed a number of people.
	Two people have gotten their own episodes, and Christopher Cantwell is viler than either of those two people.
	And those two people are Richard Spencer and David Duke.
	And Cantwell, I actually find him more personally unpleasant than almost anyone else on the alt-right.
	And I have listened to him talk for several hundred hours at this point, so that should tell you something, anyway.
	Anyway, the Crying Nazi video.
	So, this video is in the show notes.
	You can watch it.
	This occurred... So, if you remember our Kind of Unite the Right episode, there was a Torchlight March on August 11th, and then there was the actual event, which got canceled on August 12th.
	On the night of the August 11th of March, Chris Cantwell, he's wearing his Radical Agenda t-shirt.
	Radical Agenda is the name of his podcast, or the name of one of his podcasts, which...
	Oh, we will get to.
	He's wearing this Radical Agenda t-shirt and he is actually sort of the subject, the central subject of the Charlottesville Race and Terror documentary.
	So if you remember anything from that Race and Terror documentary, you probably remember this guy.
	He's the one who pulled out a shitload of guns at the end of the documentary and had lines like, you know, I'm trying to make myself more violent and, you know, more people are gonna die before we're done here, etc.
	He was actively trying to make himself sound like a really violent, scary Nazi and he succeeded quite well.
	I mean, Vice did a good job allowing him to do that.
	As a result of him releasing pepper spray on August 11th, he injured some people, including two people that I kind of know online, Emily Gortzynski and Christopher Goad, who sworn out affidavits for his arrest of the local magistrate.
	Due to that, a warrant was put out for his arrest, and he, well, you know, in the kind of few days in between the rally, which was cancelled, and then he was brought into custody on August 16th or 17th, I don't have it in front of me, but he had, you know, four or five days, he recorded some podcasts, he guested on some podcasts, and he answered a lot of phone calls, he did a bunch of media, and he finds out that there's this warrant out for his arrest.
	I really recommend people watch this full video.
	Of his, um, of his, the Crying Nazi video, I have put a link to the full thing, uh, without a, uh, without kind of commentary in the show notes.
	Um, and I, it's, it's worthwhile to kind of watch that to get a sense of him.
	A lot of people think that Cantwell is crying here, or that he's not really crying, that it's sort of like fake tears or whatever.
	Um, I've listened to him quite a bit.
	From my perspective, I think this is genuine.
	But I think it's interesting why he's crying, because he's not crying necessarily because he's going to have to go to jail, or he's not crying because he's afraid of the consequences.
	Chris Cantwell has been in jail before.
	We'll get to that here in a minute, I think.
	He has served time in jail, not prison, but he has served time in jail for drug charges.
	Um, he's terrified that the police are going to come and shoot him.
	That, uh, because he's carrying weapons, because he's seen as this dangerous figure, he's terrified that the cops sort of, uh, you know, will kill him in the process of bringing him in, and that he's gonna be seen as too dangerous to be brought in safely.
	God, imagine what it must be like to live in fear of the police killing you while arresting you for something.
	And this is a man who actively pushes for not individuals to kind of go out and commit violence.
	He will be very clear, as all these people are, all the ones we've discussed so far, no, we do not engage in personal acts of violence except in self-defense.
	We will also get into that.
	So he's advocating for ICE, for a police state, to go and round up people with brown skin and black skin and put them in prison or to put them over the side of a border for his benefit.
	That's literally his position on these things.
	And yet he's terrified of being And it's this fundamental failure of empathy that I think I find really interesting in Cantwell.
	That I find he comes back to this over and over again.
	That he doesn't seem to see the connection between the fears that he has and the things that he wants to do to other people to assuage those fears, and yet he can't put his shoe on the other foot.
	It's so clearly indicated in that video.
	It's just so obvious when you actually listen to what he's saying.
	And he is crying, and he's like desperately afraid that he's going to be shot.
	You know, Cantwell comes out of the libertarian community, and particularly comes out of a viciously anti-cop libertarian community.
	He used to kind of write for CopBlock, which is a website that, you know, I mean, he used to be sort of anti-cops killing black people in the streets because he's anti-state, and the cops are the, you know, enforcement wing of Billing State Action.
	Taxation and stuff, you know, all that kind of stuff.
	And, you know, when he was pushing that way, he was still a fucking asshole, but at least he was, you know, doing something, you know, positive in terms of like, you know, calling attention to police abuses.
	He goes way, way over the line there as well.
	But, um...
	I think he actually calls for you know people to kill policeman doesn't he actually cheers the death of cops as a which in that work you know yes i believe that's a position that he reconsidered when he realized that he might.
	Find yourself being arrested by cops.
	Well there's a very particular moment and again there's another video and I would again this is this is a tough video to watch but I think it's worth watching because Campbell himself lists this as sort of his the great the the big turning point in his switching from being you know libertarian anti-state to being more alt-right fashy you know like believing that the state has you know some value and that is so
	Catwoman was known, he lives in Keene, New Hampshire, and he's well known for being a guy who goes around and films the cops.
	He's actually, at this time, around 2015, he was well known as being this viciously anti-cop person.
	He had previously been a part of this thing called the Free Keene Squad, and what they were doing was going around and harassing meter maids on the logic that depriving
	The city of meter maids would decrease the revenue that the city got from parking enforcement and that parking enforcement is a not legitimate act that any kind of government should engage in because of non-aggression principle yada yada yada and so he went around town with a with a camera and just harassing these meter like like
	Getting right up in their faces, I want to say violently harassing, but of course they step just short of like anything like punching or whatever, but it's getting right up in there calling them, you know, agents of the state, calling them all kinds of names and slurs, etc, etc, with the intention of making their lives a living hell.
	There's a segment on the Colbert Report, which I have linked for you, which is hilarious, and you can see what Cantwell looked like before he became a fascist.
	That's another thing we'll have to kind of get into.
	Meter Maids being, you know, agents of the state who famously are not armed.
	Not armed, no.
	Which is presumably why he feels able to go up to them and hassle them in the street.
	I just had sort of a flash of, you know, if he lived in Britain, him going up to a lollipop lady.
	I don't know, American listeners won't get this, but lollipop ladies are traditionally sort of sweet little old ladies who have these signs that look a bit like lollipops and they They hang out outside schools when the little children come out of school.
	They help them cross the road.
	And I just had this image of him sort of going up to this little old lollipop lady and screaming in her face, you know, how dare the state tell my children when they can and can't cross the road.
	Sorry.
	No, no, it's very much that that that experience.
	You know, there are all these a bunch of these videos, to my knowledge, are still on YouTube, you know, and you can just watch him like in I mean, being really nasty and mean.
	I mean, it's not this isn't just, you know, like like, you know, pleading or cajoling or whatever.
	I mean, this is like active harassment.
	Um, one of the, uh, meter maids is actually a meter man, he calls himself, uh, from the Kulverapur, um, uh, segment, and, uh, he was a, uh, former, uh, Iraqi veteran who, uh, had, uh, who had come back and just needed a job, and, uh, you know, this was, you know, something he could do, and say, oh yeah, be outside, you know, you know, it's fairly low intensity, sounds like, you know, something, uh, you know, like, fine, it's a job, whatever.
	Literally one asks, so which is worse, dealing with the Freaking Squad and Christopher Cantwell, or being in Iraq?
	Which is actually the more harrowing experience?
	And the guy kind of sits and he pauses, and then there's a laugh line, and then he sits and he pauses some more.
	He literally can't decide whether it was worse being in an actual war zone or dealing with Chris Cantwell every day.
	Believe me, sir, I empathize with you.
	So there's this, so Kent Will is very well known around town by everyone who works in fucking law enforcement as this working completely on the side of the law, he never goes over the line of, you know, doing anything illegal, being a completely nasty self-described asshole whose job is just to make everyone's life fucking miserable.
	Um, one night he's walking home from a friend's house.
	Now, New Hampshire is an open carry state.
	He's allowed to carry a weapon on his side.
	That's one of the reasons that he moved to New Hampshire in the first place from his original home in New York.
	He was born and raised on Long Island.
	Um, he's walking home.
	He, uh, hears some, uh, kerfuffle kind of on the, you know, some people, some, a man and a woman, or a couple of men and some women, it's kind of hard to tell from the video exactly how many people there were, uh, are arguing.
	And, uh, his immediate thing is he pulls out his phone and starts recording.
	And, from his logic, well, what I'm doing is I'm documenting this in case, uh, you know, something goes wrong, and he's, uh, putting himself in this I mean, I have no idea what's going on in that moment and whether there actually was a kind of a sense of violence or whatever.
	you know everything else being equal is a perfectly valid concern and a perfectly valid i mean i have no idea what's going on in that moment and whether there actually was a kind of a sense of violence or whatever i don't know what's going on in that moment but he starts recording the The people being recorded notice him recording, and they get upset that he's recording them.
	He refuses to stop recording.
	Several, you know, kind of back and forths happen, and then they start kind of charging him to make him stop recording.
	Chris Cantwell has a gun on him at that point.
	He starts screaming, I've got a gun, I've got a gun, I will shoot you.
	The camera clatters off into the sidewalk and you just kind of hear, so I don't know exactly what happens, but he retreats a certain distance, he pulls his gun and he starts screaming, I will kill you if you move any further, I will kill you if you move any further.
	Do not make one more step in my direction.
	You can hear him.
	He is definitely crying at this point.
	His tone sounds very much like the Crying Nazi video.
	One of the things that convinces me that the Crying Nazi video is real.
	He does not actually shoot anyone.
	The cops show up.
	And he has a perfectly pleasant conversation with the police.
	He's sobbing.
	They have him put his gun down.
	They act very professionally.
	He's a white man in Keene, New Hampshire.
	He gets treated very well.
	Yeah, he's not a black teenager with a bag of Skittles.
	Exactly, exactly.
	From the video, it sounds like, again, I'm not an expert on police procedure.
	They treat him very well.
	They ask him, who are these people?
	And he says, I don't know.
	I can't.
	I don't know anything that's going on.
	I have no idea who these people are.
	You know, sobbing through tears.
	He's crying the entire time.
	I have no idea who these people are, etc.
	They're just trying to get information from him.
	He says, look, I know that, you know, I've got, you know, issues with, you know, the cops and all that, and they say, look, this is, that's your politics, that's completely separate from whatever's happening here.
	Again, they treat him with absolute respect and deference, like as a human being, far more than he has ever treated anyone that he's had any kind of disagreement with.
	Um, at some point they kind of walk away and he kind of picks up the camera and he's kind of pointed at his face again and you can kind of see him, he's still sobbing, he's like marking his eyes, you know, with the back of his hand, you know, wiping tears away and he starts talking about, you know, they treated me well, they treated me with respect, I was, you know, and later on, On his podcast, in his shows, and in his writing, you can see he comes back to this moment a lot.
	He describes it a lot.
	It's like the moment at which he realized that there are chaotic forces in the world, basically.
	That order is better than chaos, and that the cops are there to protect us, to protect me, from those animals who are going to attack me.
	Now, before we move away from this incident, I want to make something clear.
	The existence of the pistol on his hip justifies his level of response here.
	Because he can't get into a fistfight with a pistol on his hip.
	Because if someone takes the pistol, they can kill him.
	So he doesn't have the option.
	He has to, in his mind, use the option that's going to end the situation fastest.
	And that's exactly how he sees.
	His gun and his right to own guns, his right to carry a gun, and that's exactly where the sort of justification of, you know, the violence that's committed in Charlottesville goes in that same kind of category.
	I have a gun on me.
	This gun is for my protection.
	It's to keep me safe from the violent animals around me.
	And those are kind of his terms, not mine, obviously.
	And, um, because I have this gun, if I am attacked, I have no, um, I have to use it.
	I have to at least brandish it.
	Otherwise, they're going to take it from me and they're going to murder me where I stand.
	Right?
	So, by bringing the gun to the situation, he automatically escalates the level of violence that any confrontation is going to have.
	So the him bringing the gun becomes his alibi for basically anything he wants to do.
	Right, right.
	I mean, you know, he and you know, these people did kind of come after him.
	I'm not I'm not like arguing that they didn't, but he's also provoking them by filming them and refusing to, you know, turn off the camera now again.
	Who knows what was going on in that situation.
	If there was, you know, some drug buy or if there was some kind of abuse going on.
	Again, the point isn't, you know, what's going on in that moment necessarily.
	I mean, we just don't have any information about that.
	I guess I could have looked up the case number and seen, because I know the date it happened or whatever, but I didn't really care enough to kind of dig into that.
	The point is, I think, you know, Chris's perspective on it, and this thing of, you know, we kind of talked about last time, that the way that sort of escalation of violence is used, you know, that being in my presence is used as justification for me doing whatever kind of retaliatory action that I need to take towards you.
	And that carrying a gun into a situation like that just escalates that even further, right?
	It just makes it even more certain that if there is a conflict, that that conflict has to end in a violent, even possibly deadly way.
	And once you understand that this is now Chris Cantwell has never Served a day in combat.
	He has never been and any kind of military paramilitary unit.
	He has never Served in a police force or anything, you know He he he says every single bit of my and he admits this fully every single bit of my you know gun Experience is done at a range Chris Cantwell speaks like, you know, when you listen to him talk, he uses war metaphors.
	He uses these are violent animals coming to attack me and take our stuff and like, you know, remove our, they're genociding us, you know?
	And we have to be prepared to fight them back according to what he refers to the other people who have been arrested who are behind bars for crimes committed at Unite the Right and other places as our POWs.
	These are our people behind the wire.
	He uses these war metaphors on a really continual basis.
	And yet he has no experience with this and it's completely built around this sort of image of like how these things work in his own in his own imagination it's all just this like fantasy and this is a very common fantasy particularly on the on the american right you know this idea of uh you know this this kind of western idea right i was kind of thinking about this that um you know that uh you know your classic kind of western structure
	is you know there are these you know native americans who are going to come and take our land who are going to come and uh take all our stuff away who will you know kill us and eat us and you know etc um you know you know you know Yeah.
	It's the, it's the wagon train and the swarthy hordes as somebody once called it.
	Exactly.
	And the logic of sort of the, the, the way that the NRI, the way that the, uh, sort of American gun, The way the gun in the sort of American popular imagination among, you know, kind of middle class wealthy white people and the way that right wingers use this rhetoric is essentially to treat, you know, everyone who isn't like a right wing Republican person who owns a home.
	I mean, this is exactly the kind of stuff that's in the Ron Paul newsletters, those racist Ron Paul newsletters that made the news a few years ago.
	And it runs through, like, all of this sort of libertarian, you know, not necessarily the ideology, sort of the highfalutin, you know, kind of like Mises Institute stuff, but certainly, like, on the ground, if you look at the way these people actually talk, this runs through this, like, From one end to the other, this fantasy about gun rights defending what's yours.
	It's the mindset, not the ideas they come up with to justify the mindset.
	Exactly.
	And I think that that gets us into the libertarian to alt-right pipeline.
	Because Cantwell, before he was ever a fascist, he was a libertarian.
	He joined the Free State Project in 2012.
	The Free State Project, for anybody who doesn't know, was a political migration.
	It was a project to get – they kind of figured out which state has sort of the most lax legal system, which state is the most quote-unquote libertarian with the quote-unquote smallest government, and they kind of used a bunch of… They figured out, okay, it's New Hampshire, so we're all going to move to New Hampshire, which is also a small state, a small population.
	The idea being, you know, if we all kind of move to New Hampshire and we vote for the smallest government possible, we can live in, you know, some approximation of a, you know, kind of anarcho-capitalist paradise, quote unquote.
	And we can basically make it in Kapistan to some degree without having to go through that, like, pesky, like, let's actually build a society of our own somewhere or let's overthrow the U.S. government or, you know, whatever, you know.
	So, Basically, let's go live in our own little utopia.
	Cantwell, he tells a story, a kind of complicated story about like he was trying to buy a gun but he couldn't because of his previous felony convictions or at least the sort of previous drug history and he had some issues kind of getting a gun and so he, you know, he just kind of up and moved from New York to New Hampshire as part of this project and immediately got into a whole raft of interpersonal problems with everyone else in the Free State Project.
	This man cannot make a friend to save his life.
	Even the people who agree with him ideologically can't stand him personally.
	It's remarkable.
	Cantwell, and I want to be clear here, Christopher Cantwell has personally injured people who I consider to be online friends, or at least online acquaintances, and has threatened several other people that I know fairly well at this point.
	I am not an unbiased observer of Christopher Cantwell, but I am an observer of Christopher Cantwell, and this man is a truly vile and disgusting human being.
	You wanted to get into the libertarian to alt-right pipeline.
	Cantwell, of course, is but one example of the many people who've trudged down that very well-trodden road.
	Um, yeah, no, Cantwell is, uh, I mean, this, this, so I've included in the show notes, there's a kind of a Daily Beast article which sort of describes the, uh, the libertarian to alt-right pipeline, this sort of concept, and the idea is, like, if you start looking at the backgrounds of, like, kind of the major alt-right personalities, um, a whole lot of them are, you know, 30-something men who came in through libertarianism in one way or another, um, in particular through the Ron Paul 2008 and Ron Paul 2012 campaigns,
	And then I also included a piece from Reason, which repudiates that whole concept.
	Of course not, no, there's no... Our ideology doesn't lead to fascism.
	Yeah, no, that's a bunch of big ol' poopyheads, because they don't accept limited rights and individualism.
	They're collectivist statists, so therefore, they couldn't possibly be libertarians.
	Yeah, I included it just so you can laugh at it, basically.
	Me thinks thou doth protest too much, right?
	But Cantwell is kind of like the poster boy for this because he went from being very, very anarcho-capitalist libertarian.
	He describes he really liked libertarianism because it was something that you could take all the way, right?
	That you could start from, you know, kind of first principles and you could just like work it to this like very extreme edge and not have to take um you know any kind of like mitigating circumstances into account and you could just like kind of make a make your political ideology based on this really really kind of extreme version of like whatever ideas you thought were right and he really embraced libertarianism in that way and so he becomes this like super hardcore anarcho-capitalist
	um he describes himself as a hoppian libertarian as opposed to more of a rothbardian um you could probably describe the uh the details on that about as well as i could at this point or probably a little bit better.
	Well, it's our canna, you know.
	Right.
	What he is really meaning by referring to that is that the Hopkin ideal is much more based on private property above all, and protecting this sort of
	You know, kind of property right idea in that, like, if you have people who are going to try to, uh, you know, vote that away or going to use, uh, some kind of like state power, then you, you kind of have the right of like physically removing Democrats as a sort of like, uh, a Hoppian, uh, sure.
	Hans Hermann Hopp is openly, you know, anti-democratic and openly sympathetic to the Pinochet Junta and stuff like that.
	Whereas Murray Rothbard is only just sort of guardedly all those, you know, he's exactly the same essentially, but he just, he, he just sort of, he hides it under a, you know, a smug smile and a flip remark.
	Whereas Hans Herman Hopp doesn't bother so much.
	That's basically the difference.
	Yeah, no, exactly.
	Interestingly, you know, Cantwell will describe his own sort of distance from, you know, kind of the official libertarian movement.
	I don't think Cantwell even worked on the Ron Paul campaign, I'm sure.
	I mean, he describes he barely even, like, paid attention to politics until he couldn't buy a gun when he wanted to around, I think, 2011 or so.
	So, you know, he's got kind of a – it's kind of hazy what his history is before that.
	You really don't see a lot, he doesn't talk about it much, like his extended family and that sort of thing.
	I did read the, well at least one of the things he wrote about this when I was doing some research for a project of my own a little while ago, but to be honest I don't remember it tremendously well.
	Right.
	His writing is more volume than it is subtlety, more volume than insight I think.
	He's got a he's got a talent for sort of a turning a phrase that like makes a radio shock jock sound he can be yeah i remember reading him you know every now and again he can be quite eloquent i remember that.
	Right, yeah, no.
	He actually, at the beginning of his radio show, he does typically have a couple of pages kind of written out, this little kind of mini essay that he's, you know, what's kind of going on that he kind of wants to talk about that given day.
	And he'll kind of read that at the beginning.
	And once you've kind of listened to a few of those, and suddenly you can like hear every piece of writing he does, including his dating profile, which we'll get into, Oh, good.
	It's sort of written in that same voice.
	So, you know, again, literally he writes his old Okie Keeper profile, now defunct, but it is archived on archive.org.
	You know, literally his dating profile reads like an introduction to a radio shock jock.
	Yeah, it's pretty remarkable.
	You know, so the Hoppian libertarianism, that's sort of like how Cantwell sees it at least, is that he's like, well, the Rothbardians aren't strong enough against things like transgender bathrooms and gay rights and that sort of thing.
	It's like, Oh, well, libertarianism is all about my right to do drugs and, you know, have gay sex and, you know, have... and just my personal pleasure, and we're not really concerned with private property rights because we think that maybe, you know, you should have to have, you know, transgender bathrooms in your place of business or whatever, so long as we're not enforcing it by the state.
	And, you know, sort of Cantwell's version of Hoppianism is much more...
	Whatever the fuck I want to do with my property is my business, and you have no right to try to coerce me through any means whatsoever to make me not do that.
	He's also just a bona fide fucking bigot.
	And so when he describes – I mean the way he talks about transgender people is absolutely fucking vile.
	This movement is absolutely rife with transphobia and just vicious, horrifying language towards each and every transgender person, but particularly the transgender people who actually work against them.
	Cantwell is head and shoulders above even that.
	He is legitimately Like, supports as a position that transgender people should just shoot themselves and save us all the misery of, like, being around them.
	That's his official position on, like, transgender people.
	Yeah, and even that is code, isn't it?
	For, we should be allowed to shoot them.
	Let's be honest.
	Exactly, exactly.
	He considers that transgender people are, like, pushing this on our kids and are, uh...
	You know, coded pedophiles that they are just trying to infect us and like kind of ruin our ability to reproduce ourselves and it's all this quote-unquote Jewish bullshit because like hormones fuck up somebody and like, oh yeah, let's give it to four-year-olds.
	He goes on and on and on about this.
	I mean, sorry to... Go ahead, go ahead.
	I mean, can...
	I don't know.
	To what extent is this coherent?
	I mean, can you explain what he actually thinks is happening?
	In 2019, he believes that, and this is sort of like, you know, kind of big picture, that after World War II, or in some cases before that, but particularly after World War II, the Jews have subverted what were Previously perfectly healthy, you know, kind of heterosexual white societies and have brought in.
	Non-white people who have worked to give African Americans who have lower IQs than white people Rights that they shouldn't have because they don't have the ability and to take resources away from whites in the aggregate That these Jewish people have also or that the Jews will just you know, the Jews have also are using Degeneracy quote-unquote Uh, through uh, you know, not just sort of like gays and lesbians, but also now even transgender people.
	You don't even know what the fuck gender you are?
	You should kill yourself.
	to make mental illness seem normal and all of this is in service of lowering the white birth rate so that white people who are industrious and powerful and who have the ability if they could see themselves as a unit to crush this Jewish subversion they will not see that Jewish subversion in their midst until it's too late and everybody is just sort of a brown mud person and Okay, so here's the big one, okay?
	have the intelligence or agency to um oppose the jews and then the jews will live in their sort of gated communities like far away from the teeming hordes and would just sort of draw resources out of them once the white race is destroyed um this is the white genocide conspiracy theory right um okay so so so here's the big one okay um why why does why does he believe it or why no why you know
	Why does he think the Jews are doing this?
	What's in it for them?
	Well, this gets into... I mean, I wasn't expecting to necessarily go this far into the white genocide theory, but it's probably a good place to... Well, we can table this if you like.
	No, no, no, it's fine.
	The central idea comes from this idea that the Jews, as an ethnically homogeneous group, Already.
	That's not true.
	So they will draw very clear distinctions.
	Believe me, I know my anti-Semites at this point.
	They draw very clear distinctions between like ethnic Jews and then like, you know, Sephardic Jews.
	So Ashkenazi Jews versus Sephardic Jews and like, oh it turns out that the Saudi royal family are actually Sephardic Jews and this is like a Side note and so the whole like connection between the Saudi royal family and The American security apparatus is really done through Israel They have this hugely complicated thing about geopolitics and the Jews are always in control of everything They believe it based on this
	The idea that, and this comes largely out of a book called The Culture of Critique by Kevin MacDonald, which is important enough that we may do a full episode just on this fucking book.
	This is like the book that converts people.
	In fact, Kendall himself read it while he was in jail.
	You know it he he came back once he came back from from reading that it was one of those like it's like he was he was kind of iffy on the juice beforehand afterwards it was non-stop.
	Sorry go ahead.
	No, I mean, a couple of things.
	Firstly, I mean, I suppose that's why he goes for Hoppian libertarianism rather than Rothbardian libertarianism, because Rothbard was Jewish.
	That's probably the real reason.
	Although I seem to remember him saying in one of his articles, you know, remarking on the irony of him being such a fan of Rothbard and Ayn Rand, despite the fact that he's, as he himself says, a hardcore anti-Semite.
	Yeah, well before he was, before he really kind of fell into the racism, the race realism stuff, he was a pretty, I mean, he was a pretty, I mean, I don't want to say active anti-racist, but he was, you know, he had that kind of principled libertarian position, like, you know, anybody, as long as you support my private property rights and my, you know, and...
	I do me and you do you and you're not trying to take resources from me.
	We're good.
	He actually was not overtly racist.
	He was just kind of more that assimilationist racist.
	Again, we talked about last time.
	Yeah.
	But, you know, he was convinced into racism by his callers, honestly.
	I mean, God, we're jumping around a bit.
	Cantwell runs an open phones radio show, so the format of Chris Cantwell's radio show is he reads this little kind of thing that he has at the beginning and then he opens up the phones and so you can call in.
	I have considered calling into his phone call to his radio show and asking him some questions, but I really don't want to give him content and he does the live show at a time that's just inconvenient for me to call.
	You know, I went back and forth for a while about, like, man, would it be so fun to call this guy and troll him and just make him explain certain things.
	But then, like, I don't need that level of exposure at this point, right?
	Not to Chris Catwell's audience, which is pretty interesting.
	So he takes calls live on the air, and he got this from, he used to do a show called Free Talk Live, which is a kind of local show in Keene, New Hampshire.
	They do have kind of a national syndication, and that is a libertarian radio show.
	He was employed.
	He did this professionally.
	And didn't he get fired from that because he used the n word on twitter or something he got fired from that so he had some callers on that show cause that show had a very similar format.
	He got a caller he people were asking about you know sort of race realism race and IQ stuff and we're pointing out quote-unquote science that proved that you know quote-unquote the negro had lower IQs than white people.
	And that that justified the disparities and the kind of income and quote-unquote achievement among the races.
	I do not believe a word of this.
	I have many, many thoughts about this, but I'm just describing the, you know, what happened here.
	This is all complete fucking bullshit.
	But, you know, he's given what he thinks is like kind of valid science.
	He is told by his, you know, kind of superiors, by the people on the radio show, like, look, You can't, like, talk about this stuff.
	You've got to, like, this is kind of racist shit and we're not okay with you kind of doing this.
	And he says, well, look, if you can prove to me that this is wrong, then I'll apologize for it and we can move on.
	But, like, if you can't prove to me that it's wrong, then you're asking me to be dishonest and I can't be dishonest to my listeners, quote-unquote.
	This is, you know, he believes what he believes.
	He has the courage of this, like, completely crazy conviction, right?
	I mean, there is, you know, I think I have made it clear he is a vile human being, but I have at least that much respect for him.
	He, you know, so many of these people, I think, are dissembling, and they are, like, kind of saying things that they don't really believe in justification for a, you know, kind of political ideal.
	I think Chris Cantwell believes every fucking word he says, and that's the kind of scary thing about Chris Cantwell, because he says some really awful stuff.
	Um, anyway, so, uh, he's approached by his radio show.
	They kind of, uh, there's a little bit of back and forth.
	I forget exactly what the real history is on this, and I've only kind of heard it from Chris.
	I have not kind of, like, looked into, you know, kind of what the other people involved with this kind of had to say.
	But it does appear that we know that he was kind of poked on Twitter back when he had a Twitter account by this account.
	I won't name it.
	It's someone I actually follow who's an African-American physicist, believe it or not, who's also involved in kind of social justice and kind of lefty causes.
	I don't think he's quite a socialist, but he's pretty close.
	He seems to be good people.
	But he kind of poked at Cantwell about this issue and Cantwell just responded on Twitter, shut up N-word.
	And, uh, this was the thing that actually, uh, because he wouldn't delete the tweet, that was the thing that actually got him fired.
	Um, so he, uh, during that process he had also kind of had his own kind of little show that he was doing called, uh, Some Garbage Podcast.
	And he was doing it kind of intermittently and it was, uh, meant to be just kind of like him kind of shitposting with some friends and stuff.
	After he got fired from Free Talk Live, he needed to make that kind of his permanent thing, and he did it more regularly.
	He brought on some other guests, and one of the guests he brought on was this guy Walter E. Williams.
	You know who Walter E. Williams is?
	Oh, yes.
	I do, yes.
	Go ahead and just give me a second to drink some water.
	Tell people who Walter E. Williams is.
	Well, I can, I've actually written a little bit about him.
	Well, please put it in the show notes then.
	Myself, yeah, it's in the article that I wrote about Koch Brothers Money, or Koch Brothers Money, however you pronounce that, I like to say Koch Brothers, being sort of bound up with academic, you know, Austrianism, Austrian school economics and all those non-profits and think tanks and stuff like that.
	Yeah, this is from something I wrote.
	Just the other day I saw a tweet from PragerU, a YouTube propaganda channel set up by right-wing nutjob, that's rather rude isn't it, and former talk radio star Dennis Prager, sharing one of their videos claiming that capitalism is the most moral of all economic systems.
	The talking head in the video was Walter Williams.
	Walter Williams is a libertarian, a devoted free marketeer, He opposes minimum wages, affirmative action, welfare, gun control, and the Federal Reserve.
	He thinks secession is constitutional, putting him in agreement with the Neo-Confederates.
	He is inspired in his writings by the Austrians, Mises Hayek, etc., and by Friedman and Ayn Rand.
	He was in favor of the Libertarian Free State Project.
	He thinks racism and the legacy of slavery are overemphasized as causes of inequality for African Americans.
	He thinks it's all the state's fault for being so nice to them.
	He endorsed the paleo libertarian and Austrian fan Ron Paul for president.
	He's on the board of the Bruin Alumni Association, which was behind the uclaprofs.com, the initiative to publicly expose UCLA's radical professors.
	He is a professor of economics at George Mason University, which is the home The R.A.E.
	which is the review of Austrian economics.
	George Mason University, the economics department anyway, is a hotbed of this sort of stuff.
	It's home of the Mercatus Center and the Institute for Humane Studies or something like that anyway.
	But yeah, that's Walter Williams described in passing by me.
	Yeah.
	Walter Williams, a, you know, a let's a respected in quotes, you know, libertarian intellectual and an African-American man.
	And.
	You know, he appears on this show, Some Garbage Podcast.
	This is the thing that caused Cantwell to rebrand his show as Radical Agenda, because he realized that I've got this really respectable guy, somebody that I really, really love, who I'm inviting on my show, and it's called Some Garbage Podcast, and he felt like it was, you know, kind of demeaning to some of the guests he wanted to bring on.
	But on that show, he's kind of talking about racism with Walter E. Williams, and Walter E. Williams says, well, white people should not have to apologize for this kind of history of racism and for civil rights, and essentially takes this sort of libertarian, your property, your business kind of attitude, and is not...
	He basically considers, you know, any kind of, like, African-American person seeking redress for, you know, kind of past wrongs as being, you know, the quote-unquote race hustler kind of concept.
	Um, and this is another thing that kind of pushes Cantwell even further in that kind of, like, direction.
	So he rebrands his radical agenda.
	He's, um, doubles down on, you know, I'm going to just kind of say these things as I am.
	I'm never going to apologize for ever, like, kind of having said anything racist.
	And his callers keep pushing him further and further in this direction.
	They keep pushing him by just kind of repeating talking points about race realists and IQ and crime rates and all this stuff.
	And Campbell just kind of goes further and further along that line until he's even kind of accepting the Jewish question stuff, the white genocide and all that kind of stuff.
	And he's pushed from libertarianism over into a full-on fascist by his callers just convincing him that they have an intellectual argument for this.
	It's with – It's worth reiterating that the place he starts from is libertarianism, despite the fact that he's ostensibly in this anti-racist libertarian position.
	He gets started on the road down to fascism Through these callers these people who call in and talk to him who engage in this you know.
	Dialectic process if you like it you know and they are calling these people they are calling the libertarian show so you already have a sort of anchor there don't you?
	Where there's a ton of this like human biodiversity stuff just kind of on the ground it's just sort of in the air around this point I mean this would have been around 2015.
	Um, and this is sort of like when the alt-right as we kind of discussed in episode one that sort of time period when the alt-right was just sort of this like edgy right wing kind of humor kind of thing.
	Um, this is when that kind of race realism stuff was trying to kind of bubble back to the surface on that when the manosphere was getting.
	God, I'm now realizing we're going to have to do an episode of the Manosphere.
	When the Manosphere, which is this sort of like gay, like kind of pick-up artist community, etc.
	When it went from being something that was deeply misogynistic, but not explicitly racist, when all those people just kind of turned into Nazis at a certain point.
	Well, it was always full of right libertarian types.
	Right, right.
	Mixed in with the MRAs and that.
	And these are just kind of like right-wing white guys, mostly white guys, not entirely, but right-wing white guys who are, like, good with computers, who spend all their time on the internet, who, you know, vast majority of them work in some, or some, like, majority, you know, at least, I don't want to say vast majority, but some large percentage, probably higher than 50% work in
	Or have worked in a like kind of an IT industry job and they all just kind of talk to each other and they're all kind of interested in these ideas of you know this this sort of subculture of like let's the rationalist the new atheist subculture in a lot of ways you know kind of feeds into this and this sort of opposition to feminism because you know we as you know tech industry bros are you know doing the real work that kind of makes the world run because you know and And it's all these you know what kind of like silly women who work in the HR department and who do things like.
	Write the press releases and such who are you doing those those soft skills that is not nearly as valuable as my ability to you know.
	Pick together code because i'm good at math and i have a higher IQ etc etc etc so this is this is always this is just the modern version of the layer that's always attracted to fascism this this sort of.
	Rootless middle layer that has no clear sort of class identity one way or the other.
	You know, they're not quite the working class.
	They're not the ruling class either.
	They're not big business.
	They're not ordinary working people.
	They're in this weird middle zone.
	It's always the petty bourgeoisie, the small business tyrants, the people in those sorts of civil service.
	It's always them.
	that get attracted towards this stuff.
	These tech pros, as you call them, they're just the new iteration of the same thing, I think.
	Right, and I mean, I think what's, is that the sort of the money that was going into the tech industry starting, I mean, Chris Catwell was born in November 1980, He does say that he kind of worked in the tech industry for a while.
	He has a certain amount of technical sophistication.
	I think the way he describes it, he was doing more kind of like pulling cable than writing code.
	I don't know that he has any kind of college education at all or anything like that, but You know, if you were if you were born around that time, and if you were kind of in the right place and time in New York City in 1998 or 99, and he would have been, you know, 1920, somewhere around the turn of the millennium, he, you know, it was not at all difficult if you were kind of able bodied, you know, white guy to get Pretty decent paying job with very little training because the tech industry just needed people at that point.
	I was in the right place and I was a tad bit too young to take advantage of that.
	The crash had already happened by the time I got in.
	I was going to say that crucially the Utopia didn't last.
	You had the dot-com bubble burst and then you had the crash of 07-08.
	If I had been a year or two older, I could have entered the tech industry with one semester of computer science under my belt, and I could have just had a career working in it.
	There are a whole bunch of guys who are literally a year or two older than I am who had much better careers than I have had with less education.
	Let's put it that way.
	Learn to code, Daniel.
	Just learn to code.
	Exactly.
	Learn to code.
	That's the thing.
	Go write apps.
	That continued, you know, we had kind of a boom and bust cycle and then, you know, it kind of comes back because the internet didn't go away and, you know, the tech industry just kept building more and more and like the role of social media, you know, the rise of social media in kind of the mid-2000s up until 2015, 2016.
	This sort of like increasing internet subculture that was obscure but growing because just more and more people were getting the internet who are not incredibly tech savvy and these kind of young men.
	And this kind of online radicalization stuff is huge in that.
	And it's interesting that Cantwell himself doesn't seem to have been – Cantwell himself was not kind of radically online around this point.
	Like, he seems to have gotten to it a little bit later.
	Um, Cantwell himself seemed to have a background where, I mean, he, he, he liked to party.
	He, uh, was heavily into cocaine.
	Um, he is a, he is a, um, functioning, and I use that, I use those words in quotes, he is a functioning alcoholic.
	Um, he is a blackout drunk.
	Um, from what I understand, he is, um, he has, he claims to have gone the entire month of January without, uh, drinking alcohol.
	And he's trying to do February as well.
	We'll kind of see how that goes.
	You will never hear me, you know, for a variety of reasons, you will never hear me criticize someone for being an alcoholic, and especially if he's trying to kind of work through it himself.
	But it sounds like he had a pretty rough time in his teens and 20s that he he just he liked to party and he liked to kind of you know be involved in that world and uh again you get very few details from his life before about 2010 or 2011 either very online um without without any sympathy he's clearly not a happy person no he's a deeply unhappy person and i mean now i mean again i listen to his show you know three times a week he he's
	He does a two-hour show three times a week, and I listen to it, and he just, he sounds, I mean, it sounds like he barely leaves his house at this point.
	He literally just kind of sits around, and he, like, surfs the Drudge Report to pull up news articles so that he can prep for the show.
	He writes his thing.
	He drinks Red Bulls, and he used to smoke cigarettes.
	I think he's quit cigarettes now.
	He was vaping for a while as well, because all of these fucking people vape.
	You know, he chugs Red Bulls and coffee through the show because, you know, he has to keep that high energy, you know, kind of thing.
	It goes from 5 to 7 p.m., and then he can't sleep, and so he drinks until it collapses, and then he wakes up the next morning and nurses his hangover and does it all over again.
	You get very little sense that he has any kind of relationships with anyone outside of, you know, the people who call into his radio show.
	His radio show is often so personal as well.
	It's him working through the stuff that he's thinking day to day.
	It's him working through his own interpersonal relationships.
	It's him dealing with his politics and his life.
	If you listen to enough of it it's just kind of...
	You know, when he's angry, he's angry.
	When he's sad, he's sad.
	When he's happy, he's joking around.
	You know, he thinks he's a great comedian.
	He'll play little bits that he edited together on Audacity, you know, of like putting the word Jews in for like liberals on Tucker Carlson's show, and he thinks that's hilarious.
	Other than the show, his life seems to be really lonesome and sad.
	At one point he's talked about going on dating sites and once people find out I'm the famous crying Nazi, nobody wants to have anything to do with me anymore.
	Well, no.
	Although apparently he did take two days off.
	He took a Wednesday and Friday off from his show a few months back and one of his Gab posts, Gab is sort of the Twitter for Nazis at this point, he put up a Gab post that was, you know, I'm in love with a beautiful woman and the clear implication is that some lady friend who he was Very fond of came from out of town and he took a few days off to do what two people will do in that situation.
	Although, just a couple months later, he was talking about going back on the dating sites again.
	So, yeah, it didn't last very long.
	You mentioned the Manosphere.
	I mean, he, you know, he started in that, didn't he?
	He wrote for A Voice for Men.
	He did.
	This was after he was kind of involved in the Libertarian Project.
	So this would have been kind of that 2014 era.
	He's got a few of his articles posted on his website.
	I think around the time that he started getting like overtly racist, A Voice for Men also kind of kicked him off because you can't be racist and work for A Voice for Men, right?
	Because, you know, we're We're a poor program for all men of all races, you know, because we're really just trying to fight that evil giantocracy, you know, sort of bullshit.
	Heaven forbid any racism in a voice for men.
	When you're too awful a person to get to hang out with Paul Elam.
	With Paul Elam.
	What else do you have to say, right?
	No, this man is viciously, viciously misogynistic.
	He believes that women should be property and that women should be happy.
	No, we're trying to protect you.
	You are the spoils of war, is what he will say.
	He will say that to women who call into his show.
	Who talked to him about these things, who, you know, I mean, he literally in one of the interviews he did with Elle Reeve, who did the Charlottesville Erased Terror documentary, he released all the audio he ever, um, he recorded audio of the, um, of the kind of interview, the documentary making process, and then released it after the documentary release as a podcast on his show, so people could just listen to the full thing, so you have all the context, so they can't lie about me, whatever, whatever.
	And I mean, he'll literally flirt with Elle Reeve.
	At one point he asked her out on a date.
	But and you know she'll say what you I mean you're you're like being viciously misogynistic and it's like no I'm not being a misogynist I'm trying I think my life is worth less than yours I should get to you know I should I should have to work to protect you and keep you safe that's not even a word game for not even realizing not even realizing that like what you're really saying is you shouldn't have any autonomy of your own yeah like I you know you should be subservient to me and I will protect you but I need you know and it's it's I think you're a thing
	But I'm going to play a little word game that makes it possible for me to say that, you know, that makes me not a misogynist.
	Sorry, I know I don't have to necessarily describe it, you know, why that's wrong, necessarily.
	No, sorry, I'm just, I'm responding with irritation, let's put it that way.
	No, no, no, and I mean, you know, to a certain degree, some of this, like, I've just heard it so many times from people like him, and it's so, again, so pervasive in the movement.
	I'm sorry, but that's a thing, that's one of my buttons, when people come out with obvious bullshit arguments like that, and it's just, it's not an argument, it's a word game.
	That really pisses me off.
	Oh, I mean, you know, I guess my thing is like, it's almost water over my back at this point.
	You know, I've just spent so long, like, it's like, oh, of course he's a vicious misogynist, here's what he says, you know, like, duh!
	I realize I just used one of Stefan Molyneux's catchphrases, by the way, not an argument.
	Well, you know, imagine my shock, Jack.
	But he is, no, he starts off, I mean, you know, I think he was argued into racism, but I think the misogyny and the trans misogyny, like, is all the way down to the deepest pit of his being.
	I think you could convince him, if I could sit down with him and, like, show him, like, how this data is collected, et cetera, and you put enough time into it, you could convince him not to be a racist anymore.
	I don't think you could convince him not to be a vicious misogynist.
	I don't know how much that would stick because I think the racism is inherent in libertarianism.
	Or to be slightly more cautious about it, it's inherent in right libertarianism.
	I could get him to the point where he was before.
	Let me put it that way.
	Yeah, sure.
	This is why this is this is how it happens in the first place.
	This is how you have him susceptible to these ideas on a libertarian podcast and people who are racists calling in, you know, attracted to that and talking to him about it.
	That's that's why there's the connection in the first place, because libertarianism is about the defense of private property.
	Private property is unequally distributed upon racial lines.
	They need a rationale for that.
	There isn't.
	There's something wrong with the way private property is distributed.
	So it has to be that races are unequal.
	It's just inherent to libertarianism.
	And that's how it gets started, in my opinion.
	No, no, I think there's a lot to that.
	I mean, Campbell is very open about the idea that like, well, you know, if we could just make the whole border private property, you know, we could just shoot anybody who came over and we wouldn't have any, you know, kind of rules.
	And so, you know, that the libertarian social order would, you know, kind of solve these like kind of ethnic diversity problems just by allowing people to, you know, again, Commit, you know, completely disproportionate levels of violence based on, you know, this kind of private property norm.
	Callan also, like, pretty openly admits that, you know, in a kind of, like, radically anarcho-capitalist society, he would not sit particularly towards the top.
	Like, he would, you know, he, this is, this kind of gets into some of the, like, kind of neo-reaction territory of, you know, Yeah, we just kind of all end up, you know, under the handful of a few, like, really hyper-efficient rulers, and, you know, our job would just be to kind of, like, provide them with labor to, you know, in exchange for resources, but it would be a better society because all of our private property would be, you know, we'd all have, like, contracts that we'd live by, etc.
	And he sees this as a utopia, but he doesn't see himself as kind of the top of it, which is always this kind of interesting thing.
	I mean, he sees himself as Oh yeah, I'd just be kind of a worker bee.
	I'd just kind of do this thing.
	I'd make a radio show and hope that I could make enough money to live on.
	But, you know, it would be in this, you know.
	For him, he says he was kind of, like, regretfully brought to this kind of more hardcore racialist position.
	Racist position, I, you know, I use those two terms slightly interchangeably, you know.
	Racialist, in my usage there, has a slightly different kind of meaning.
	It's kind of like considering race as sort of an intellectual position as opposed to this kind of more structural or, you know, kind of implicit bias kind of, you know, race.
	Anyway, I just wanted to be clear I wasn't trying to like give him any credit there by using the word racialist as opposed to racist.
	He is both.
	You know, but he kind of approaches this racialist position, and again, this is something he says kind of over and over again on his show, you know, I want to live in a certain kind of society that ordered liberty with private property norms.
	And I can't do that as long as all of these, you know, quote unquote, Negroes are like taking all the resources away with and killing all this violent crime.
	You know, I have to take ethnicity into account in order to live in this kind of properly organized, again, ordered liberty, you know, Hoppian society.
	And, you know, he sees sort of fascism as sort of the answer to, I mean, stop me if you've heard this before, but fascism is the answer to kind of an encroaching socialism.
	And socialism is the inherent property, the inherent kind of society that inferior people like, quote unquote, the Negro are going to produce because they are unable to produce the things that they need in order to the Negro are going to produce because they are unable to produce the things that they So they're just kind of inherently to leech off of the productive class.
	And I'm like, oh, yeah, you can just look at the, you know, the taxes paid per racial category.
	And you can see exactly this is the exact thing.
	And of course, again, this is all 100 percent bullshit for any one of a thousand reasons.
	But that's the that's the logic, you know, that's the idea.
	Socialism is, you know, it's about equality.
	So the inferior are going to latch onto socialism because it's an excuse for saying, well, I should have as much as you, uh, even though, you know, I'm not as good as you.
	That's basically, that's basically how they think it works.
	And of course, in practice, they call social, the thing, the stuff they call socialism is often just basic, you know, um, basic democracy, you know, bourgeois democracy, they call socialism.
	But then they're anti-democracy as well for similar reasons.
	Exactly.
	And not only that, but the, you know, one of the big differences between this kind of like, again, Cantwell's version of Hoppy and Libertarian, I'm just going to call it Hoppy and Libertarianism, or, you know, Right Libertarianism, whatever.
	One of the distinctions, or kind of the only distinction between this and sort of Cantwell's view of the world now, this sort of version of, you know, state enforced fascism, is the idea that
	You know, under a kind of strictly libertarian social order, it's the kind of social and mental inferior people who will, you know, kind of die from their own lack of ability to care for themselves, except for, you know, what can be given to them freely through private charity, etc.
	And under this kind of like race realist idea, it's like, well, yeah, and all those people are this particular ethnic group, Uh, and because they are collectivizing against my interest to, like, have control of my own property, because they are kind of working to undermine me through the apparatus of the state, I need to instead take control of the state and then get rid of those people through one means or another.
	And then I can have my society, I can have my libertarianism after I get rid of the hordes through fascism.
	But the latter is inherent in the former anyway, or nascent in the former anyway.
	No matter how much they deny it, it just is.
	Right.
	I mean, you know, ultimately, ultimately, you know, it's it's the difference between sort of the libertarian, you know, fantasy of like, how do we get to a to an Afghanistan versus how do we get to, you know, the ethnostate is, you know, just kind of the vision of the average hue of the person who is going to be left to die or executed under the various visions, you know.
	And that's kind of how race realism and this kind of acceptance of this leads these kind of libertarians to accept the need for a kind of binding together of the sticks, if you were, with an axe head to take care of those problems because we can't just kind of deal with people individually because we're all going to lose unless we band together.
	And this is, you know, it gets scary when you kind of think of it like, yeah, no, this is a really concrete thing you got going on here.
	And you've been building this ideology for 40 years at this point.
	Great, great.
	This is wonderful.
	Yeah.
	It's amazing how much of it goes back to the ideology of empire as well.
	I mean, it's, I mean, just on a quite crude level, Loads of the so-called race realism is just based whole cloth on 19th century imperial race science.
	And, well, I mean, you were talking before about this ridiculous theory they have, you know, that the Saudis are secret Jews and all this stuff.
	That's kind of based on- To be clear, I haven't heard Cantwell himself talk about that one, but I've heard it in other places, so- Okay.
	But if that's, I mean, that goes that goes back to racist ideology that was developed by the British Empire in the 19th century, you know, famously Disraeli once referred to Arabs as Jews on horseback.
	You know, the whole idea of the whole idea of the Semitic peoples, you know, it's a classification that comes from that era.
	Yeah, no, absolutely.
	Yeah, there's a lot of kind of pseudo-history and pseudo-archaeology that kind of goes around in this space as well, this kind of like, you know, nonsense race science, which they then kind of use like, oh, we're just kind of talking about populations and we can kind of find genetic markers that code for these things.
	And yet, any geneticist who looks at this for more than, you know, 30 seconds can point out, again, a hundred reasons why they are completely out to lunch on this.
	Yeah, no, it is.
	It is just kind of repackaged 19th and even like 18th, 17th century, in some cases, race science, where they're just, they're just, you know, it's, it's almost, you know, sort of that, what is the, the great chain of being just sort of like, you know, reconfigured for the modern age.
	I mean, it's, It is remarkable how much of the science, how much of the chemist pseudoscience really is like, I don't know, we had it right up in about the 1920s and then like Ordarno and the cultural Marxist.
	Oh yeah.
	came in and subverted the field of anthropology so that we no longer looked at actual facts of physical anthropology and we were thinking about these feelings of cultural anthropology and suddenly racism was bad when in reality it's just these Jews coming in and trying to
	Subvert all these expectations of trying to subvert a society and not allowing us to engage in our own, to seek our own interests as white people.
	They work for their interests.
	They've got a country, Israel.
	We don't have a country.
	They have to come in and leech off of us.
	Yeah.
	The cultural Marxism conspiracy theory, which you alluded to with Adorno, that's a direct reiteration of the Nazi idea of the Kultur Bolshevismus, which itself is a reiteration of racist ideas that came from, among others, the British Empire.
	The british empire develop this whole idea of cultures being corrupted by degenerate cultures coming in stuff like that the nazis just adapted and now it's been adapted all over again it's amazing it's amazing how retrograde the stuff is how backward is.
	Okay, so to maybe wrap up this episode, and as we say, we're going to come back to this and do a bit more on this person.
	We will do a whole other episode talking about the legal issues in Charlottesville and what listening to his show is actually like, which we didn't even get to cover at all.
	Yeah, because he's just such a fascinating guy.
	He's such a delightful figure to talk about for two whole weeks.
	It's going to be great.
	And perhaps related to that, he's had some Problems in his romantic life, shall we say.
	Do you want to talk a little bit about that?
	I do, and in particular I want to talk about a particular young lady who is kind of a public figure in the libertarian circles.
	He has made this very public and I would hesitate to kind of use her name as if she is kind of a public figure herself.
	Um, and I am including links to all this, so, um, anyway, I do apologize for, you know, I'm not doxxing her, to put it that way.
	No, this is out there already.
	Yeah, yeah, no, um...
	So Cantwell has had a checkered dating history.
	He kind of gets bounced on by his audience because he has a long history of dating non-white women, although he is apparently not doing that any longer.
	But he did date one particular woman named Cricket Slick.
	Cricket Slick is a woman from Canada who won the lottery up there and then used that money that she had won as a way of sort of getting involved in, you know, kind of fringe libertarian politics, including, so she kind of went to conventions and kind of gave money to candidates and that sort of thing.
	And, um, she and Cantwell hit it off, uh, in, um, you know, 2017.
	Uh, shortly before I started listening to him, because I started listening to him in, I think, like, April or May of 2017, um, some, some, you know, actually, no, more like June.
	It was just a few months before, uh, Unite the Right.
	Um, but, uh, March 24, 2017, he releases this, uh, warning to Cricket Slick's future boyfriends.
	And, um, I'm gonna recommend you read this.
	It's pretty nasty stuff.
	It does seem like, I mean I'm not gonna say Cricket Slick is 100% on the up and up on this, but there was a lot of kind of abusive bullshit there.
	um can't will start to control this uh young woman's life um in fact he gives this advice to his callers who ask him believe it or not people call christopher can't want to ask for dating advice it's um it's it's disgusting once you know once you're calling christopher can't well really if there's one thing i would not call christopher can't well for it's dating advice um but people do call him for dating advice and his advice he says this over and over again is you know
	well you know what you gotta do is you gotta find a nice white girl you gotta find a girl and if you're giving her resources like you're feeding her and putting a roof over her head and you're giving her good giving her good orgasms she'll just follow you politically wherever you want to go and she'll just kind of be yours forever because that's what women are like right um He literally says, like, you just have to fuck them until they're Nazis.
	That's the goal.
	There's no way this guy's giving anybody good orgasms.
	I'm sorry, I just don't believe that.
	I don't either.
	I hope you put a photo of his fucking face and just imagine this guy going down on anyone, really, of any gender.
	Well, I'm not going to shame anybody for what they look like.
	It's just, you know, this stuff entails awareness that, you know, there's somebody else in the room.
	Right.
	That you're not just there with kind of a sex toy that sort of annoyingly sometimes walks off by itself, you know?
	Exactly.
	But he did date this woman, Cricket Slick.
	There was some kind of back and forth.
	She offered to like help pay down some of his bills and then didn't after there was a conflict over.
	She got pregnant and He wanted to have the baby.
	She wanted to have the baby.
	Maybe they were happy.
	I'm unclear exactly what the thing that kind of made her kind of keep her distance.
	Probably just Chris Cantwell was being fucking Chris Cantwell and tried to control her life and fuck her into some further right version of the libertarianism that he was supporting at that time.
	This is also around the time he was coming to the race realism stuff for real.
	She leaves him.
	She goes back to Canada with my baby in her.
	He has very strong feelings about that.
	My child was inside you and you ran away from me and she had an abortion and then sent apparently a copy of the receipt for the abortion, just mailed it to him.
	And, you know, he got it in the mail and pretty much crushed his spirit.
	I can imagine he was it kind of sounds like this is the moment when he went into a kind of a deep spiral of drug addiction again.
	Um, or at least alcohol addiction.
	He, uh, apparently she tried to get back with him sometime after that.
	Again, there's this kind of on again, off again thing that's happening.
	Um, if you read this thing, I'm actually going to just like kind of read the, the kind of the opening paragraph here just so you get a, a sense of this guy's voice and just again, how vile he is.
	And, uh, I will include this link in the, uh, in the show notes, but, uh... As I write this, she is in Canada, calling every law enforcement agency in the United States who will listen to her about the drug, not because any will be found here, but rather in the hopes it will get my license to carry a firearm revoked.
	I'm writing to you today in the hopes that you may avoid the suffering she has inflicted on me and continues to try to inflict.
	She is easily the most dangerously damaged woman I've ever come in contact with, and for those of you who know the circles I travel in, that's really saying something.
	She told me she had an A.C.E., Adverse Childhood Experience, score of 10, which is pretty much the worst case scenario.
	Her father was diagnosed schizophrenic and has been to prison for violent crime.
	She was molested by a family member and raped several times as an adolescent-slash-young adult.
	I know this is usually a very bad sign in a relationship, but she told me that she listened to every episode of Free Domain Radio and had met Stephen Molyneux and had donated thousands of dollars to him for helping her through her trauma.
	It goes on like this for a couple of thousand words.
	That's also the very voice that he kind of reads his intro segments into.
	So again, his relationship advice and his shock jock radio personality are kind of one and the same.
	Chris Cantwell is, I think his misogyny is most clear in his absolute, not just the sort of trans misogyny, not just the sort of anti-LGBT stuff, but he is a vicious pro-life person.
	He is 100% kind of, you know, the rights of the fetus trump the rights of the woman, of the pregnant woman, 100% of the time.
	And it does kind of come down to that.
	If you ever needed – if you ever needed an object case and the women as property is the source of anti-abortion, Chris Cantwell is way up there on my list of – he just says it.
	He says what the rest of the movement just hides behind, which is something you run into with these.
	Yeah, yeah.
	write figures a lot um i'm sorry i'm kind of laughing uh not because i it does it's just this deeply uncomfortable place um yeah yeah so you know what else sometimes what else can you do so not only does he kind of put this blog post out and then he puts out he reads it and he puts that out as like a bit a bit of a bonus content for his uh pwll subscribers um that is uh Somebody did upload that somewhere so that is available.
	I'll get to that here in a second.
	But he also released on his radio show because all of his radio show is whatever he's going through personally in the moment.
	He basically does 30 minutes of his show talking about this and like sitting at his like little stupid computer and his L-shaped desk with cameras on him into a microphone sucking on cigarettes or his vape and you know chugging Red Bulls and I swear if you watch this 30 minute video I'm gonna give you a link to it it's if he meant to do this if he was an actor putting this on as a one-man show it would win every award and
	It is the most concrete man failing to understand his own toxic masculinity that I have seen anywhere.
	It is absolutely astonishing to watch.
	Because it really is just a man in this filthy... and I don't live in a clean house either.
	But it's this man in this like filthy thing sitting there lonely talking about how terrible this woman is for aborting his child and how it's amazing, it's remarkable, it's astonishing, and it just encapsulates like who this man is as much as anything else.
	And, you know, while he's lashing out at her in this extraordinarily vicious way in public, you know, that makes it perfectly clear why anybody would not want to, you know, have a kid with this guy.
	Exactly, exactly.
	He's trying to make it entertaining for the audience, so he's telling jokes and he's laughing.
	He's got this absolutely grating laugh.
	If you haven't listened to his voice, he sounds a lot like Edward G. Robinson.
	Imagine if Edward G. Robinson was spouting racist Nazi science and libertarian principles.
	Imagine Edward G. Robinson reading Mein Kampf and that's pretty much what his radio show is like.
	You can also take a look at his OkCupid profile.
	I mentioned that this existed.
	He did get kicked off of OkCupid shortly after Unite the Right.
	He lost everything, including his OkCupid profile.
	And he's like, what, I'm not even allowed to get laid because you don't like my politics?
	But there's the 2015 version of this.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	I was just going to say, property rights, Chris, they own the company.
	Well, right, right, exactly.
	Except he thinks, like, the Jews have, like, come after him, you know.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But the Jews are always, you know, they're this wonderful all-purpose escape route, aren't they?
	Through the holes in the ideology.
	Anyway, sorry, go on.
	Now, and I just, again, I want to read just a little bit of his OkCupid profile, this archived one from 2015.
	So this is before he was really kind of hardcore racist, even.
	But, you know, this is what he says.
	And again, I'm matching this in the Edward G. Robinson staccato voice.
	I'm here for a number of reasons.
	I ultimately want a wife and kids, but what a way to start a conversation.
	I don't know what I want from you until we meet and get to know each other a bit.
	So, maybe we meet and you're awful and I never want to see you again.
	Happens often enough with online dating.
	Maybe we meet and enjoy each other's company but have no attraction and become friends.
	Maybe we go straight to bed and have a passionate but short-lived love affair.
	Maybe we date for a few months before one of us begins planning an exit strategy.
	Maybe we go all the way, head over heels in love and spend the rest of our lives together.
	Until I'm in a committed relationship, any one of those outcomes are really quite okay with me.
	I like dating, I like meeting new people, I like sex.
	Being in love with someone who loves me back is an incredibly wonderful feeling, and I'm really hoping to find that again, but I've learned not to try and make it happen on purpose.
	That kind of thing is completely beyond our control, and I'm sure as hell not going to be lonely while I wait for it.
	I'm a writer, a YouTube personality, a talk show host, and more.
	It goes on and on and on.
	I'm someone who, in my dating profiles in the past, has gone too long.
	He goes way, way too long into describing exactly what he's looking for and trying to sell his, like, I'm this dark, intellectual genius without an education, edgy, right-wing, libertarian guy.
	But yeah, no, there's a link to that in the show notes, and you can just imagine the kind of people who would actually send him a message.
	It's not even that it goes, just that it goes on too long.
	It's just, it's all about him, you know, and it's, I mean, again, you know, I sort of can't help feeling a bit nasty doing this, but he just, he's just making it clear that he's desperate there.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Exactly.
	It's like, whatever you want.
	I mean, I'd love to get laid.
	Anything, please.
	Anything.
	Which is not, you know, that's not the best approach.
	If you're interested in, like, I like to meet people and kind of see where it goes, I like to meet people and see where it goes, you know?
	That's fine.
	Just say that.
	You don't have to go on and kind of, like, spin it into this, like, pseudo-Bukowski, like, rant.
	But he sees himself as this genius, as this man who's, like, an expert at communication and this, you know, like, this maestro of the microphone.
	It just proves it right there.
	You just kind of, you know, again, I can read this in his, like, I can hear his voice saying it in my head.
	I've just listened to him for long enough, and it's pretty remarkable.
	I think I do want to end this episode here pretty quickly.
	We'll kind of cover some more of Cantwell in the next one, but I did want to kind of point you to a website.
	This guy, Ethan Glover, who is well acquainted with Cantwell, who is also in the Free State Project Who is a libertarian who agrees with much of Cantwell's, at least before he went full bash, kind of agrees with a lot of Cantwell's politics.
	And this link, if you read through it, you'll find a lot of the stuff that I've kind of covered up to now.
	You can find a lot of the videos that I've kind of mentioned.
	And, uh, there's even more stuff of Cantwell fighting amongst even the Free State Project people and, uh, kind of accusing people of, uh, shady behavior.
	There is an implication that, like, Cantwell in his past has, you know, like, robbed people and, uh, possibly even committed some rape.
	Um, I didn't see any, uh, I haven't seen any kind of, like, concrete evidence of that, but that is an allegation that's made.
	And he just, he fights constantly with everybody and nobody can get along with him, even the people who like his politics.
	And I do recommend, this is a bit of a tough read, but I think if you've gotten through this you'll be okay with it.
	And it does include a bunch of the videos, and there's so much more I didn't even bother to cover.
	Um, you know, I kind of only became acquainted with Cantwell in kind of mid-2017, and this is somebody who kind of had experience with him for, you know, four or five years before that.
	Um, so there's so, so much more that I just can't, like, kind of cover, um, in this format.
	But, uh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna recommend people, if you're interested in kind of, like, who Cantwell was before he became a Nazi, that's a really great place to, to go look at.
	Um, obviously it's one guy's opinion, and it can have its own biases, but, um, it seems pretty well documented, and, um, My one piece of advice to you is to be careful about scrolling all the way to the bottom because at the bottom of that page there is a, thankfully censored, but there is a photo of Christopher Kentwell masturbating.
	So just be aware that it's there.
	This seems to be a running theme with at least some of these guys.
	Self-created explicit videos.
	Yeah, it looks like it's maybe a shot that he sent to some girl or something.
	From the angle, it does look to be something that was maybe part of a video where he was masturbating for someone.
	I'm not going to blame anybody for what they do in their personal life, but it does not look like a pleasant experience, let's put it that way, to be in the room with.
	Just want to let you know, it is there, it's all the way at the bottom of the page, so just stop scrolling at a certain point if you're concerned about seeing that.
	And don't open it up on a work computer or anything, but there is a link there, and it is worth kind of going through, and it does kind of go into some of the, you have links to a lot of this stuff there, including a couple of the videos that I recommended.
	And it is like a nice goldmine to just, you know, have that resource.
	But viewer discretion advised.
	I mean, with all of this stuff, I mean, like any link that I give you guys, Oh yeah, because there's, you know, content warning every horror imaginable is right there.
	The things they say are a lot worse than just pictures of them walking.
	Right, right.
	If it was just a photo of him masturbating and me not Particularly finding it attractive, that is the least of the issues with Chris Cantwell and I hope that I've made that clear even this far.
	And there's another, we could do a whole series, we could do a review of every single episode of his show that just describes all the fucking nonsense that he's on any particular week.
	We could do a weekly show that just reviewed Chris Cantwell's show.
	That's how fucked up this guy is all the time.
	That would be like that Borges story where they make the map that's the same size as the world.
	Right, exactly, exactly.
	So, anything else, any questions, anything else that we should cover before we just kind of crimp it off here?
	No, I'm happy with that for one episode, and we're going to return to this lovely gentleman again for more stuff in the future, believe it or not.
	Believe it or not, and I'm just going to wet your whistle a little bit here.
	I haven't even told you about Dave from New York yet, and believe me, it's a doozy.
	There you go, a cliffhanger for you.
	So catch the next episode to find out about Dave from New York.
	I will be finding out about this for the first time with you, listeners.
	Believe me, this is the fun part you get at the end from listening to all the Nazi shit, is learning about Dave from New York.
	Okay, great.
	Thanks a lot.
	Bye.

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