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Candace Owens: Unfiltered, unafraid, and breaking the narrative- SF660

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	Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Fran and Russell.
	Russell Francial Conspiracy Theorist.
	Trying to bring real journalism to the American people.
	Hello there, you awakening wonders.
	We've been promoting this interview so you know that it's happening.
	And I feel like Candice Owens is, sorry, I know I said her name wrong there, but I just rushed my way through the ones bit.
	The fact is she's at the heart and center of the culture at the moment.
	This is something that's going to happen a lot with the emergence of this kind of media.
	Yeah, Andrew Tates, your Russell brands, your Candice Owens, your Tucker Carlsons, like them, loathe them.
	This kind of media is here to stay unless at some point they find a way to delegitimize independent media.
	Absolutely.
	And I bet they're looking for one even now.
	Now, Candace Owens has said a lot of stuff that's pretty edgy.
	The turning point, no stuff about Charlie Kirk's assassination they're not sharing.
	You know, there could be reasons for that, couldn't there?
	I mean, there's an ongoing investigation.
	Maybe people are just in a state of bewilderment.
	I'm working with Turning Point, as I told Candice Owens in the conversation.
	Let me know in the comments and chat what you think about that.
	We also talk, obviously, about Israel and Judaism and Jews.
	So it's a pretty fascinating conversation.
	Now, it seemed to me that what Candice Owens was saying, and obviously I'm going to hand this off to Candice herself, if ever there was a person in the world that doesn't need someone else to talk for him, it's Candice Owens.
	She's articulate, she's strong, she's grounded, and she's willing to die for what she believes in.
	So that's pretty cool.
	That's a pretty cool set of Christian qualities.
	What I found interesting was when she talked about Sigmund Freud.
	That was amazing and Sigmund Freud's sort of occultist leanings.
	Pretty, it's tracks.
	It makes kind of, it makes good sense.
	We talk a bit about Hollywood.
	I talk about being married to Katie Perry.
	I hope I don't say anything negative about Katie Perry.
	She's a human being.
	I remain very fond of her and very fond of her family.
	I talk a lot too about conspiracies in general.
	When she talks about the sect within Judaism that she attributes with being, in a sense, the centralized power that dominates all global government and the trends and flow of world power, I suppose that's bam, the heart of the matter.
	And that wasn't deliberate that I did that gesture because I believe that Candice Owens considers this power to be connected to subjects as apparently diverse as Charlie Kirk's horrific murder, God rest his soul, and Bridget Macron's alleged penis, which will not have a soul because it must be made of a bit of arm or something.
	I don't know how it works.
	Look, anyway, she can speak for herself.
	Let's let her do just that.
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	I know you might think it seems a bit mad, me selling products and stuff, but the fact is I've got a lot of court cases.
	I wish I'd asked her, do you think that whatever's behind the attacks on me in the UK is connected to all of this?
	That's what I wish I'd asked her.
	But hopefully we'll talk to her again by God's grace.
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	Thank you.
	Here's the conversation with Candice Owens.
	Uncut and ready for your approval.
	God love you.
	Thanks for doing this and thanks for letting us film on your home.
	Of course, always.
	My home is your home.
	My firing is your firing.
	First part of it was shooting on a single camera.
	We hung out for a bit.
	We spoke.
	Watch out.
	I'll come back and tell you.
	We're going to transition from a single camera to a double camera.
	Your cancellation is my cancellation.
	Exactly.
	Who hasn't been cancelled?
	It's like, you know, so chic these days.
	I don't feel safe there, Camus would.
	Hey, so before we start, is there anything that you know me?
	I can talk about whatever you want.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Then so while we're talking about.
	Nothing's off limits ever.
	Thank you.
	That's good.
	All right.
	So while we're turning over just on this one, I'm glad we had the chance to pray.
	I feel like really amazed and honoured to be talking to you right now.
	Thank you.
	And I've been, I was talking to my wife last night about this and asked what she would ask you.
	I asked ChatGPT what it would ask you.
	I'm like, he needs me.
	Chat, but he doesn't like me very much.
	Chat GPT.
	You're not from Walk to do.
	Like, I'm not a fan.
	You may want to check that these are some unverified conspiracy theories.
	I don't even dare ask ChatGPT what he thinks of me because I'm too sensitive.
	What do you think of Russell Brown?
	Oh, God.
	Because it might start calling me mate now and stuff.
	No.
	Like it used to be mirroring even my colloquialisms.
	Wow.
	Yeah, I don't like that really about it.
	I don't have a good rapport with my one.
	My one sounds white English.
	My wife sounds black American male.
	I like it better.
	It's more friendly.
	Mine's white English male.
	It's very condescending.
	It talks to me how I think that England sees me.
	Sort of like, oh, well, Russell, you've had a good girl, but come on.
	Oh, my God.
	You're looking at going to serious prison time.
	Anyway, so thanks very much, Skylar.
	That's very kind of you.
	Thank you for passing on.
	You'll stay up for sure.
	You'll stay up for sure.
	That much is guaranteed.
	Yeah, Everton's quite a niche club, by the way.
	The jacket that Skylar is wearing there.
	Really?
	Yeah, that's niche.
	He just belongs, obviously.
	Everything about Skylar, he just looks like Ed Sheeran.
	He's a very happy woman in London.
	He just naturally belongs there.
	Yeah, right.
	You're right.
	He does sort of emanate a certain broken Britishness.
	He does.
	Mate, so like, yeah, I was asking Laura what she would ask you, and I'll ask you, I guess, when we're fully on camera, because it was actually a pretty good question.
	But like, how I feel, I tried to reflect in prayer because, like, when I first met you, when I first met you, obviously, you remember because we've discussed it before in my podcast studio, such as it was in the garden.
	This is what I remember thinking.
	There was a lovely moment.
	Here's the moment where the single camera is gone now.
	We're in the studio from now.
	This is what I remember thinking.
	There was a lovely moment where you would argue the very sort of Republican, conservative positions.
	And I guess what I'd said had been extraordinarily socialist because certainly that's how you judged me.
	But I felt like I was trying to speak about spirituality, but from, I don't know, a somewhat new age perspective.
	But then there's this really beautiful moment where you went, and what do you think about migration, Russell?
	Oh, we should just let everybody in and you skipped around the room.
	You sort of like did this bit.
	You did a sort of a prance.
	And my thought is, not thought, felt.
	It's like, she's so beautiful.
	Oh.
	But I don't actually.
	It made me feel that everything that gets discussed on a political level is superficial and empty because it's spirit that actually matters.
	And even then, I wasn't Christian yet.
	You weren't Christian yet.
	And, you know, I was already married, of course, so I confined my perspectives of your beauty to an appropriate strata.
	But what affected me was, oh, actually, in spite of all this stuff we've been talking about, how we disagree with stuff, on a spiritual level, I really like this person.
	I love this person.
	I find this person attractive.
	And so that was very early on and very unexamined.
	You know, I knew who you were from media, of course.
	And since then, you've been involved in so many extraordinary cultural spikes, the sort of Kanye bit, the Brigitte Macron, which is obviously ongoing, Charlie Kirk, God Rest His Eternal Soul, and the assassination.
	And because of the density and speed of these things, it's clear that no matter what the outside subject is that you're focusing on, you're a person now that's going to be participating in this.
	Now, I say from this perspective, I've been famous a while now, huh?
	And when I got famous, I got normal famous, as in famous in the UK, then famous for movies, famous celebrity wedding with Katie Perry, normal celebrity and normal fame.
	And then I've gone through these weird, these weird movements of fame, Candace, that sort of were not possible because the technology wasn't possible.
	You know, I basically, you know, Arthur bombed.
	So, you know, you can hang around Hollywood and do parts in other movies.
	But because of the thing that always drove me, the stand-up comedian in me, the spirit in me, the Lord in me, that thing just kept going.
	It's looking, it's looking, it gets expressed negatively for addiction.
	It gets expressed positively through creativity and service and all the things that we know are like our Lord.
	And, but when the thing happened to me, the YouTube thing, like, you know, when like my YouTube, when I see like the numbers that you're doing on YouTube, and I don't, I don't really look elsewhere, so I don't obviously rumble, obviously, obviously.
	But well done.
	Well done.
	I'm a fucking pro, you know?
	I still got the old shots.
	Like, you know, I know that where you are is you're at the middle of it.
	You're at the middle.
	You're in the middle at the moment.
	And but things are different, right?
	And this is what I'm trying to really try and understand.
	This is not a question.
	This is me trying to understand so that what we talk about is real and not some version of bullshit.
	What I've noticed, right, you're in the middle of it.
	I've had it happen to me a few times.
	I was in the middle of it.
	When the rape allegations and all of that, when that happens, I was in the middle.
	And we were talking about it on the way here.
	I imploded.
	It was like, oh my God, this is too heavy.
	And what was happening then was the stuff with Herbie was happening as well.
	Like my son was having heart surgery and it was such an actually, I think, as I've told you, the fact that something so real in my family was happening simultaneous to what I took to be and believed to be a kind of coordinated takedown of rape allegations and attack, attack, attack.
	Even though I was overwhelmed and terrified by the allegations, because what was happening with my son, it kept me focused on something real.
	Now, I'm not in the middle anymore, and I don't know what will happen there, you know, because everything is changing so fast.
	But what I know is the kind of star, because in a way that's what you are, in terms of the culture, a star, that kind of stardom wasn't possible a very, very short while ago, because someone to achieve that level of notoriety has to deal with brokerage.
	You have to deal with the brokerage of publishers.
	You have to deal with the brokerage of TV, the brokerage of movies, the brokerage of radio.
	You don't have to do that and you're not doing that.
	So you're in a truly unprecedented area right now.
	Now, I first noticed it with Alex Jones, like the Alex Jones.
	I thought people don't understand what he is because the culture doesn't have the vocabulary for profit, shaman, madman, fool.
	Like the creator's just like, oh, you're on the TV, are you?
	You're a journalist.
	Hello, welcome.
	Here is the news.
	Follows in the, you know, Alex Jones is not that.
	And so he said crazy things, but let's face it, he said things like, you know, anyone that says 9-11 before 9-11, you've got to take that guy seriously.
	Sandy Hook and all of that aside.
	So you now, and also, by the way, you know, you're a young, beautiful, black American woman.
	And it's, I think we're in such an extraordinary moment.
	It's like you've become a controversy generator.
	I know that you're being authentic.
	I know that you're telling the truth.
	But I want to go through it and do my best, Candace, to understand where you are and where the culture is because say, gosh, Charlie Kirk, I'm doing an event for Turning Point on December 18th.
	I can't watch all of your content.
	I make content.
	I've got children, so I can't watch all of anyone's content.
	But I know that what you're saying is essentially that people from Turning Point either knew about or are otherwise involved in the murder of Charlie Kirk.
	Tell me, what is coming to you that makes you confident enough to say things that are going to cause so much consternation?
	Well, it's interesting.
	You've asked a lot there.
	But I won't talk for 20 minutes.
	No, but I'm glad you did because there's a lot there that is important.
	First and foremost, just the idea of what is controversy.
	I think that in and of itself, we can spend three hours on, right?
	What is actually deemed controversial today?
	Okay.
	Anything that exists outside of the system is deemed controversial.
	So what you're getting at is you're in the middle of fame and controversy.
	Well, it's the problem is that people are listening to me and I don't belong to the traditional satellite, right?
	If I was within Hollywood and I had an agent and I had a manager and I had people who were sort of able to control me, I would be on the cover of every magazine.
	I'd probably be a billionaire.
	I probably would be Oprah, right?
	I would have a daytime talk show, whatever, you know, whatever medium that would be today.
	And I would have sponsorships and I would be maybe doing Pepsi commercials at the Super Bowl.
	That's what it, like, I could have that.
	That would be an option if I would stay in line and have talking points handed to me.
	I think that's what I'm saying.
	I get what you're saying.
	I get what you're saying.
	But from the very beginning, you were as far as for as long as I've tracked your career, you were at the beginning, black conservative woman.
	Right.
	So it's not, yeah.
	So I was always existing.
	And that's why I'm not a billionaire.
	That's why I'm not.
	Exactly.
	The point is if I had gone through the stream, the main stream, if you will, I would be very much more successful today.
	What is controversial is thinking outside of it, being independent and saying something is wrong with the mainstream.
	So that's where I am.
	And I, for me, I think since I, my earliest thoughts, I always kind of felt, and I talked about this this week on my podcast.
	I just sort of always felt like an alien because I didn't understand it, right?
	I didn't understand people who lie, who are fake.
	I mean, I've, when I say I've always been like this, my parents would tell you stories of how they would have to, and my daughter is this way now.
	So it's very funny, but they would be debating me when I was a toddler because, you know, the traditional methods of just saying, oh, because I said so, I was constantly stirring up controversy by being like, well, daddy, that doesn't make any sense.
	You know, mom, that doesn't make any sense.
	And then four and five saying, I need to, I need to require a little bit more than just do this because I said so.
	So it's who I am, right?
	I have been this.
	And I say probably the person that I most like is my grandfather.
	My granddad was stubborn and stubborn in the right way, stubborn in his values, you know, his faith, his family, and believed that deals should be done on a handshake.
	You should be able to look someone in the eye.
	I don't need a 300-page complicated contract.
	If I say I'm going to be here on Monday, I'll be here on Monday.
	That's no longer the world.
	And so I think I'm a bit of an old soul, I think, is what my problem is today.
	I don't fit in with this sort of new age propaganda.
	Tell somebody something to make them feel good.
	I just would rather say the truth and that's it.
	Yeah.
	Now, in terms of how this applies to the Charlie Kirk thing, this is so much of this is spiritual.
	So much of this is, I think, God and where I was in my life and the relationship that I had with Charlie.
	And me being one of the people that helped to build Turning Point.
	I mean, the Kanye thing happened when me and Charlie were doing Turning Point.
	It was a tiny little organization that people didn't know much about.
	You were integrally involved in the formation because I know that your husband was the, he, as when you, we, because we were hanging out, when you met your husband, as we always clock when we chat, and that was TP UAK, and he was, that was TPUK.
	So you are, because I sometimes think, this is what I this is my point just to declare my.
	Charlie was there, by the way.
	He wasn't at your house, but I, Charlie, that whole thing was, I left Charlie, came to your house, got back with Charlie.
	Yeah, and then we went to George.
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	You know, like when someone important dies, I always notice how people are.
	And sometimes I feel that people claim a greater affinity or affection with people after their death.
	Like I call it, in fact, I invented a word after the death of Princess Diana, mornography, like to get off on the death of the person and sort of jerk off over it.
	Yes.
	Now, I know that, so I don't know, other than I've seen a bunch of videos of you hanging out with Charlie and dancing with him.
	And then I'm now putting it together in my mind.
	Oh, right.
	Yeah, you were there for turning point.
	So you were like super close with Charlie Kirk.
	Now, I feel like a lot of people sense that Charlie, but I'll be totally honest.
	Like when people say Charlie Kirk was murdered by powerful interests, my first reaction was, why?
	Because isn't he just really like, then I started to examine what is Charlie Kirk and what was Charlie Kirk doing with nothing like the dexterity or deliberateness that you have.
	And that's what I want to hear about.
	But like, I thought, oh, yeah, right.
	He's mobilizing young people to vote in a particular way.
	That's what it boils down to.
	Because, you know, what you're describing about yourself is relevant to anyone that works in this new media space to varying degrees at various times.
	There was obviously a big change when Trump went into office because a lot of independent media essentially started to fulfill the same function as mainstream media, i.e., advocating in a partisan way for the incumbent, for the person that's in power.
	You've obviously not done that.
	Now, I, but my simple reaction was: I don't know who would want Charlie Kirk dead.
	What difference is it going to?
	Who benefits from Charlie Kirk being killed?
	Who benefits?
	Like, as they say, qui bono, that's the question to always ask.
	And I actually didn't understand how Israel benefits from Charlie Kirk being murdered.
	Certainly can't see yet how like sort of French special forces could, you know, so tell, can you explain that to me?
	Because I don't understand who benefits from, but I also know that whenever I've seen it my whole life, a long gunman killed RFK, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X.
	I know that's a lie.
	So I'm open.
	So what is it?
	So look, I can tell you that from the moment that Charlie got shot, and I can't explain it.
	And maybe it's because Charlie would tell me all the time that he was going to die young.
	And I showed those messages.
	And I just knew that this was big.
	I knew it was big.
	I didn't have the players.
	I certainly didn't suspect Turning Point USA would be, as I believe, involved in a cover-up.
	And we can talk about what the motives are of that.
	They could be financial motives.
	It doesn't necessarily mean they were involved in plotting to kill him.
	And I've never said that.
	But I do believe that they have betrayed him since.
	And I am comfortable saying that today because I know that they have told lies.
	I know they have withheld information that if truly you were motivated by goodness and truth, you would come out and you would say it.
	Like there are people at Turning Point who Charlie texted the night before and said they are going to kill me.
	Well, if you're trying to figure out who killed Charlie Kirk, wouldn't that be a good thing to come forward with to the public and say Charlie thought that he was going to be murdered the night before?
	And they're not doing that.
	So to me, to not assist that investigation is not something that I'm going to ignore.
	Also, to not answer basic questions that if I said to you, Russell, where were you when Charlie got shot?
	You're not going to get defensive and weird.
	You're just going to, I can tell you why I was, I was sitting plotting, you know, planning my next show at the kitchen counter and they are being very strange about details on that day.
	It makes me uncomfortable.
	If someone, the easier task, if somebody, if the internet thinks that, you know, Mikey McCoy, who was the person who, you know, instantly picked up the phone and walked away when Charlie got shot, who was the chief of staff, if people find that behavior to be suspicious, and I do find it to be not what I would do if a shot went off, I don't, obviously everybody else ran or ducked and he instantly picked up the phone.
	I would just show my call log and I would be like, guys, this is crazy.
	Like I called my mom and here's and so it's the absence of answering and the blaming and the yelling that feels off to people.
	And I think that's fair.
	I think spiritually people are sensing their intuition is coming online and saying, this just doesn't feel right.
	Again, we can assign different motives.
	There are donors that were pressuring Charlie.
	Those donors are still there.
	They could be saying, we want you to never tell us to make it so that he is his memory.
	Rather, they're fighting over his memory, his legacy, that he was Judeo-Christian.
	I'm not comfortable when the spokesperson of Turning Point USA comes out and essentially tries to paint a picture like I'm lying when I very lightly and reminiscing about me and Charlie mentioned that, you know, our last conversations, just like I would say this if you, God forbid, died tomorrow.
	Use that as an example.
	Yeah, but I would say I was pushing Russell to become Catholic because that's true, right?
	It would be very strange if your spokesperson came out and said, that's absolutely not true.
	He was not praying the rosary.
	He, she never had this discussion.
	That's what Turning Point USA did.
	They came, there was a discussion between Andrew Kovet and Alex Clark because I don't know why, but the Judeo-Christian syndicate of influencers ceased on this one sentence.
	I said, in it, it never wasn't meant to be antagonistic.
	It was just an honest, like, oh, you know, we were talking about Catholicism.
	And they all started making videos saying it's absolutely not true.
	Charlie never flirted with it.
	They knew, Turning Point knew that Charlie was going to mass sometimes daily.
	They knew he was praying the rosary.
	They knew that Erica took a priest to prayer for his body when he died.
	So you have to ask the question, why lie?
	And I think that just any lie at all makes me feel uncomfortable because lies are not necessary unless you're covering something up.
	No matter what the lie is, why do we lie to cover something up?
	So that's a fair assessment that they're engaged in some sort of a cover-up, whether it's about his legacy, where he was at spiritually.
	And then you have to ask deeper questions.
	Why?
	Now, what I would say that I get your point about why I get your point, but this is the undoubtedly when that event took place, if you think about it, right?
	I don't know if you have these kind of conversations.
	I talk to people all the time that what you call in the normal world that watch the BBC, that read the Sunday Times, you know, like people that are back in England.
	And those people back in England suddenly had to deal with the way they're now having to deal with you.
	They had to deal with Charlie Cook.
	They're like, what is this Charlie Cook?
	I'd never really heard of him before.
	Why is this so important?
	And clearly, it was some sort of event that unlocked or created or generated, or perhaps it's deeper even than that.
	And even the power preceded it.
	But there was, if someone had told me the day before Charlie Kirk had died, Charlie Kirk's going to die, what do you think the reaction would be?
	I would think it will be quite sort of marginal and focused among people that are into conservatism and young conservatives and Republican supporters.
	I didn't, I wouldn't have said it's going to become a global phenomenon and JD Vance will be there getting the coffin back and it's going to be like I just would never have imagined it would have that degree of impact.
	And the fact is that it has done.
	It's been only pokele shift.
	And I sort of thought, well, where do you go back for a precedent of like, you know, what's the last thing in the culture that's sort of a bit like this that's happened?
	And I feel like, well, it is the assassinations of the 60s.
	Yeah, you know, and that's sort of weird because we now know that we know for a fact that whatever we were told about the murder of Robert Kennedy or John Kennedy or Martin Luther King or Malcolm X, that's not what it was.
	It was evidence of ulterior power moving.
	Now, when it comes specifically to turning point, I can sort of just, Candice, to tell you the truth, sort of intuit that everyone wants ownership of this legacy.
	There's so much power in the legacy that everyone's like, well, actually, we think it should go this way.
	You know, and as I actually, as a Christian, I would say this is sort of an indicator of something that's broader and stronger.
	Is I can't collapse my love of Jesus Christ into so vote Republican.
	What I'm learning as I grow deeper in love with him, it makes it less and less clear to me that I should be doing anything except serving him, that my opinions are always potentially wrong.
	I'm potentially always might be in sin or in the flesh.
	Now, I believe I'm saved, I've surrendered to him.
	But what I'm saying is, is that the culture is not going to deliver solutions.
	And I would, before me personally, but I've not seen what you've seen, I recognize that.
	I wouldn't, before I ascribed malign motives, specifically, I suppose, to the people around Turning Point, I would consider right.
	They're probably in grief.
	They're probably worried about the future of the movement.
	Anything that becomes big, as soon as you become big, you're going to, like, you know, any of us, oh, do you take this advertising money?
	Do you take this relationship with this platform?
	Do we even, like, it's gotten to the point, don't you think, where people even, do we interview one another?
	Like, you know, oh, is it okay for me to go and talk to this person or that person because that person doesn't like that person anymore?
	And like, you know, I can't get on that podcast.
	You know, it all changes.
	It's so, it's volatile is what I'm saying.
	And I think that the volatility, you know, like Breitbart's famous thing, he says, like, that, you know, politics is downstream of culture.
	Well, of course, culture is downstream of technology.
	And the Canadian, very famous philosopher Marshall McLuhan said famously, the medium is the message.
	Meaning that, you know, 30, 40 years ago, whatever it was, the medium was television or print media.
	It was centralized.
	It was central control.
	Now, what's the medium?
	Candice Owens.
	It's Charlie Kirk, God rest his soul.
	It's Alex Jones.
	And all these people, they're not behaving because they don't have to.
	Like, you know, because like, cause I knew the last incarnation of celebrities.
	I've been around, you know, as you have.
	Obviously, he isn't no one more famous than Kanye, but like, but you know, he's a pretty unique case in so many ways.
	They were a lot of them and nuts, aren't they?
	You know, I knew Diddy made a movie with Diddy.
	I could tell that guy was kind of off key.
	But a lot of people that are successful business people that are having a bunch of sex, they've got a bunch of power are unusual.
	But what they're not doing is going, I wonder what Israel's involvement is in American politics.
	I wonder if there are demonic.
	I mean, Alex Jones, to his credit, from the get-go, was, along with people like David Icke, we think there are demonic forces that are manipulating human systems.
	Obviously, the other place you're going to find that is the Bible.
	The Bible says evil has conquered human institutions like the media, like the government, like the judiciary.
	So you are in an unbelievable and unique but incredibly dangerous position.
	And I'm here in your home and I've seen your beautiful son, one of them.
	And, you know, I've had this question before, and I don't think I've been as close to the sun as you are now.
	Are you not afraid in an earthly, motherly way for the potential consequences of what you're saying?
	Given, particularly that we're talking about you've said publicly that Brigitte and, you know, that other guy that hangs around with her, the other one with a penis, Emmanuel.
	That's no Christ within there.
	That's penis without.
	Like, you know, like saying, you know, that they've issued a death threat and that you've had, it's a credible threat.
	So, firstly, of course, there's the sort of the fluffy story of, you know, exciting, fluffy woo story of that.
	Also, bloody hell, mate, are you not a bit worried that you might get murdered?
	Well, I think everyone in the world, after you watch Charlie get publicly executed, sensed fear.
	If you were in the public sphere, I think you probably felt whoa, chill.
	Every person, I think, realized, wow, this is not, we're in politics and we are now seeing what the political system is.
	And they are willing to kill for power.
	And that's why it became plausible, you know, right out of the gate that Charlie was killed because of power.
	Before they even came out with kind of the ridiculous story about the 30-odd six and the Superman neck, and because he eats carrots, whatever it is, people sense that there's a possibility here that the world could be this evil.
	And I think that also, by the way, is what gripped people globally: you kind of saw this guy and you felt spiritually impacted by watching him be publicly executed.
	If Charlie had died in an accident, I don't think it would have had the same impact, but it was, they chose to publicly execute him.
	And so, yeah, of course, there was an element of, okay, this is getting, this is getting real, this is getting serious.
	My greatest fear is not getting into heaven because I actually am a Christian.
	And I question the Christians who lie, who choose to lie because they are so attached to the earthly possessions that they are getting in terms of money.
	My bigger fear is my children growing up in a world that's run by pedophiles.
	That terrifies me.
	And to be clear, I did not go into this consciously.
	Right.
	When I was covering the Brigitte and Emmanuel story, if you thought that I would end up here and suddenly questioning whether or not Brigitte could have been in America on that day, which is where I'm at right now, you're out of your mind.
	I mean, I literally thought, oh my God, this is so funny.
	Like, yes, like this person, like, I read the story and it was quite literally, this whole thing starts with the Daily Mail article where I saw a headline that Emmanuel Macron denies his wife's a man.
	This had not broken in the English-speaking world.
	So I was like, what a strange little, why, what's going on in France that this president has to come out and deny that his wife's a man?
	Like, that's funny.
	And I read the article and the Daily Mail article was not sufficient in debunking it.
	Was kind of, and this is obviously ridiculous and crazy, and you know, all of the words.
	And they're like, There's this one photo or two photos of Brigitte as a child.
	And I'm like, What do you mean, as a child?
	Like, there should just be tons of photos because she has children.
	And so then I pivoted to where the rumors came from.
	And I sat there and I read, and I just, my jaw hit the floor.
	I was like, What do you mean?
	There's just no photos for 30 years of somebody's life.
	This can't be a real thing.
	And I thought it was so interesting that the implications here for me that I thought were more severe is that the entire media of France would collude to hide this very obvious thing, right?
	So it was more like, this is funny.
	And then I get fired from a daily wire almost, I think, two weeks after covering that story.
	Covered it in March.
	I got fired in March of 2024.
	The next thing I know, I'm fired.
	I start my new podcast.
	I'm getting, I get demonetized on YouTube.
	They're hitting me over speaking about the Brigitte thing again.
	And come December, I'm getting a cease and desist from the president of France.
	And then come February, I'm getting a phone call from the president of the United States.
	And I'm going, what is going on?
	People kind of had a base assumption that people in France are into some weird stuff.
	Nobody had an assumption that this could cause an international crisis.
	And then when I actually sat down that December with Xavier Poussard and got the full download on the story, he's the one who did the Becoming Brigitte series and wrote the book on it.
	I went, oh, wow, this is way more severe than I had realized.
	And we are talking about a culture that fosters pedophilia and being protected by governments worldwide.
	That's important, you know?
	And it felt like a story that I needed to bring to light.
	That was kind of what, that's how that happened.
	It was very natural.
	There was no, I want to be super controversial.
	I just think it's important that we're not ruled by pedophiles, actually.
	Hold on.
	Let's think about that for a second.
	Have you considered this from the humble pedophiles perspective?
	So like, Candace, what I like about both these examples is that you're saying that it began with intrigue.
	And I think that's what this kind of media permits, like the intrigue or curiosity or inquiry.
	Like you said, you were when you were a little girl.
	People go, you know, you go to your room because I said so.
	And you're like, well, hang on a minute.
	What's your authority based on?
	And where's it coming from?
	How do I get rid of it?
	Can I vote you out?
	Who makes you my mom and dad?
	Yeah, asking questions.
	You're asking questions.
	So you're just asking questions.
	Now, funny enough, obviously, in light of you talking about it because of your impact and influence, you know, everyone's talking about it and wondering about it and curious about it.
	And, you know, I'm English and all, so I've got some French friends, not many because of the many wars between Britain and France and the great animosity that exists between our two countries and perhaps always will.
	But my mate, Jerome, like when we were talking about you and everything you were saying, he goes like, in France, everyone, like, like, not everyone, my guess is France probably has a sort of a culture of people that are red-pilled or whatever that would be, red-croissant.
	And like, they all know.
	They're like, we all talk about that.
	We all know.
	And then he's like, well, look, come on, look at these photos and stuff.
	And like, you know, obviously the same source material, I guess, as you're using.
	And like, saying, oh my God, yeah, that kid there in the glasses, that's her.
	That's, you know, like, where's that?
	So, but think about the fact that despite this, everybody knows.
	So, what actually are we elites doing by deciding to bring about a lawsuit?
	Like, you're basically going to say, how dare you know?
	We'll bankrupt you for knowing.
	Like, that is the attitude that I just, this is such, this is beyond arbitrary authority.
	It's telling somebody not to believe your own eyes.
	Okay, fine.
	You figured this out.
	You rumbled us.
	This is a man.
	And what we're going to do now is we're going to show people the consequence for standing up to arbitrary authority and we're going to bankrupt you.
	Like that can't be allowed, actually.
	And we're going to do this never-before international lawsuit from a sitting president to teach you slaves that you better get in line.
	That's how it feels to me.
	That's how it feels.
	I think you're right.
	Why didn't they just come out and say, you know what?
	Emmanuel's kinky and it's none of your business.
	Oh, ignore it.
	Ignore it.
	Ignore it completely.
	It's very interesting.
	It's very interesting indeed.
	Now, there are a few questions, obviously, like how does that relate to power?
	And obviously, you've alluded to it's interesting that pedophilia keeps coming up.
	And me, you know me well enough to know by now that I will, of course, be continually relating your plight and your challenges to my own.
	I hope that's not just wanton narcissism and solipsism.
	But like there was a point where, like, where I was making content a lot about COVID and the pandemic and not trusting the government narrative or the global narrative, the interests of big pharma.
	And like when I was first getting into doing stuff on YouTube, I suppose the reason I identify with what you're saying about both Macron and Charlie, God rest his soul, is that I was just talking about things like, oh, that's weird.
	Why are you telling us all to get in our homes?
	What do you mean there was a planned, they did a version of this, Event 201, a couple of years before?
	What do you mean?
	No, surely what Bobby Kennedy's written in this book about Anthony Fauci can't be true.
	Oh, gain of function is, oh my God, they did fund research at DARPA.
	Oh no, Pfizer are oppressing the files.
	The problem is, I believe, that because of the technology, this technology could be used to create total centralized control.
	It would be plausible to have a form of explicit or implicit one-world government where people with social credit scored and under maximal control possible, where AI and robot technology could handle labor.
	You'd need a minimal surf class.
	And the last thing you want are awakened people talking about God and supreme authority that transcends all material rational authority.
	And Lord alone knows whether or not, as it says in scripture, there are dark motivations for this.
	So the continual recourse and return to ideas like pedophilia, pedophilia.
	I don't know why I said it in that way.
	Pedophilia, I've changed my accent for you probably.
	Pedophilia and like sort of Satanism and dark, weird rituals.
	Like, doesn't it seem, do you ever wonder, mate, like how like things that are in the Bible and then things like Alex Jones and David Icke are the two examples I always use because they were people that were talking about power and talking about centralized power and talking about global imperialism and talking about occultism for a long, long while.
	These people have been talking about it for a long, long while.
	Do you think that there's, because the counter argument to you and me, they'll say, well, no, that guy was just like some mad sex offender.
	That's what you think about me.
	And she's just a lunatic.
	They're too lunatic.
	The counter argument to you're telling the truth and I was telling the truth during the COVID era, the counter argument is these are just two show-off idiot lunatics with their own agenda, grifters out to make money.
	In my case, rapist.
	In your case, whatever they're calling you right now.
	So, you know, but what is clearly happening is there's a moment when Joe Rogan's power was too big for them to crush.
	They tried to crush Joe Rogan.
	They couldn't.
	But in the subsequent period, Joe Rogan's content has seemed different, it seems to me.
	And then there's a period where it's me and the rape charge.
	It was all too much for me.
	And I had to take a minute to get my shit together.
	And thankfully, it brought me to the Lord and made me realize I'd been worshiping myself in various ways.
	And even when I thought I was spiritual, I was still involved in self-worship.
	And only really Jesus, only Jesus can do it.
	It's only the submission to the man God that opens that frequency that can do it for you.
	So do you, how, when you're saying things like, were Israel or French forces involved in the murder of Charlie Coke?
	And that, you know, Brigitte Macron is a man and that's connected to these nefarious ulterior forces that are ultimately in power.
	Clear that these things relate to power because if you've got the power to have Jeffrey Epstein killed in jail, make it look like a suicide and have it so that people sort of just forget about it, or do a global pandemic and lie at the beginning and then have people just forget about it, or maybe, you know, have Charlie Kirk murdered, just forget about it.
	What the hell is going on with world leaders?
	In what ways are they compromised?
	What is the reason that they're doing it?
	And I recognize that that's a very protein space where through conjecture and speculation, you could paint all sorts of pictures of demonic cults and Alistair Crowley and Satanism and pentagrams.
	And some people just say it's money and resources and power.
	So I guess in the end, something that Whitney Webb, who I'm sure you agree, is a pretty bloody good journalist, would say is where is the corroboration?
	What are we seeing that's indefatigable?
	What are we seeing in the case of were Israel involved in the assassination of Charlie Kirk?
	Is there some connection to Israel?
	Do you think the neighborhood of Israel is fundamental in even issues as seemingly diffuse and only really connected through you, you know, and you being the person that's reported on them as Brigitte Macron's true identity and Charlie Kirk's murder?
	Do you think these things are connected?
	Yes, I think it's all connected.
	And I think in many ways we already live in this sort of one world government system.
	Maybe it's two world, but in terms of the West, I don't think there's any difference in the governments.
	And that's kind of the point that we're making.
	And maybe why the Charlie Kirk case is so crucial because it's showing us that, wait, what is the divide here between America and Israel and France, right?
	I just told people that somebody in the French government alerted me to an assassination attempt.
	Shouldn't that require a comment from the president of the United States?
	Shouldn't the president of the states be forced to make a statement about that?
	He received that information.
	Wouldn't you think it's the most viral?
	It was the most viral global story for three days.
	And the White House has chosen not to comment.
	What does that signal to the population?
	That it's okay for France to be involved in assassination attempts, that they're, at least if he thought that I was completely making it up and I gave him the evidence it was made up, he would be required to come out and say, we are looking at that situation and that there's, there's nothing here.
	There's no evidence of that.
	They're doing none of that.
	And that should alarm people.
	That should very, very much alarm people.
	I believe that there is that there is some truth to what David Icke has said and what Alex Jones has said.
	People before them have said that there has been these dark, demonic, satanic cults.
	It's the reason why I started my book club because I needed to understand where this was coming from in the only way that it can make sense, which is that these people are being guided by a theology, right?
	This goes back to one of the more brilliant things that my husband said, right?
	When we, I guess you could say we dated for 18 days, but I said, why did you, why did you read theology at Oxford?
	Like, what a boring subject.
	And he said, everything is theology.
	And I've now realized he's right.
	They are guided by a theology.
	And I had to then go back and try to understand Sebatianism and Frankism.
	Do you know a bit about this?
	No, explain them.
	Yeah.
	So I, at the same time that I'm sort of questioning what's going on, I, for whatever reason, fell into a hole regarding modern psychology, Sigmund Freud.
	Sigmund Freud, factually, okay, there's no disputing this because the Jewish Ashkenazi Jewish director of the Sigmund Freud archives, who was working under Anna Freud and he was about to become the next director.
	So he was the assistant director, decided, I'm going to actually learn German so I can read all of his notes that have not been published to the public.
	He was studying to be a psychoanalyst and was like, this is amazing.
	I have access to all of this stuff.
	So this guy's name is Jeffrey Masson, very brave man.
	He's now like 84.
	And I'm so glad that his book is flying off the shelves in his old age.
	So he reads Sigmund Freud's notes and he goes, Wait a second.
	Sigmund Freud famously came up with this theory that children were attracted to their parents and that they were having these dreams and these things never happened to them.
	And then he says, no, he actually knew that these women were being, these children were being raped.
	He knew.
	And he knew some of them were being raped to death.
	He had gone down.
	He had seen the evidence at the morgue.
	And so he goes, oh, this is crazy.
	He runs to Anna and he says, hey, your dad, we've made this big error.
	Your dad actually was gaslighting these kids and gaslighting these people who were being raped, incestuously raped.
	And so he thinks he's going to run to the psychoanalytic people and say, ta-da, we can now correct history.
	And what happens is he gets kicked out.
	He gets kicked out and he publishes the book anyways with the proof that Sigmund Freud knew this.
	And Anna Freud did not stop him from publishing the book, which is very interesting.
	She had the power to, and they were pressuring her to stop the publication of the book, but she let it fly.
	And that book, The Assault on Truth, is a very difficult read.
	It is the number one thing people should read because he is the father of modern psychology.
	Okay.
	Modern psychology is gaslighting, gaslighting.
	Funny thing about Sigmund Freud, which is even more compelling, is he too, for years, when he first got into psychoanalytics, he said, oh, these kids are actually being raped.
	And that was his poorly named seduction theory, that these kids are not lying.
	These kids are being raped by their parents.
	And here's the evidence for it.
	And then he does this flip when he turns 35 and says, never mind.
	And this is when he's hailed as a hero.
	And similarly, he was rejected when he was telling the truth from his own psychoanalytic community in Vienna.
	And then he switches, changes his mind.
	The second book that people should read is Sigmund Freud and the Jewish Mystical Tradition.
	Sigmund Freud came from a Sabacean family.
	This is Jewish mysticism.
	It actually has nothing to do with the Torah.
	It has absolutely nothing to do with the old law.
	In fact, they said the old law was fulfilled and they believed that this man, Sabbatai Zevi, was their Messiah.
	They have wiped, virtually wiped this man from history, even though half of the world Jewry followed him, believed he was the Messiah.
	He was a homosexual psychopath who believed in practicing incest as a sacrament.
	This is how they were going to move forward in the world.
	And this was a, they worshipped the Kabbalah.
	Their high book is the, it's, what is the Zor, Zora, the Zohar, thank you.
	It was like, the Zohar.
	And they believe that you rape your kids when they're seven, but you don't tell them why they're raped until they're 35.
	Now, this is an inversion of some people tell me of the mystic tradition.
	They've, you know, they've kind of, it's kind of from the book of the dead in Egypt, really, but they rape their kids.
	And Sigmund Freud discovered that the reason that they do this, this is Sigmund Freud's work, is because it conditions the child to grow up to be a psychopath because of what they have to go through trying to understand why their parents did this.
	This is all real.
	This is not, all of these authors are Jewish.
	They're not, they support the Jewish movement.
	The second author, David Bakan, I think actually regrets writing his book because he thought it was going to be this like expose of, you know, why the Jews in Europe should be sympathized for.
	And then people went, wait, what are you, what's going on here?
	Like, there's this, all this incestuous rape happening.
	And I think this is actually the reason.
	And I encourage Jewish people to read this book as well.
	I don't think they know their own history because at this time there was a great schism.
	There were actual Jews who were following the Torah to the letter of the law who were getting kicked out of countries because of these Sebastian Frankists who were actually raping kids.
	And there's nothing new under the sun, right?
	So their instinct is to go, why am I being kicked out of a country?
	What did I do, right?
	I had nothing to do with this.
	These are anti-Semitic tropes.
	And yet these people were funded by the richest people in the world.
	Jacob Frank was given a castle in Germany, in Offenbach, Germany.
	He was turned, made a barren, by the way.
	Part of what they believe in is apostasy.
	They mass convert into other faiths, right?
	And they did.
	The Frankists mass converted to save themselves from the Jews, the actual Torah Jews who kicked them out, into the Catholic faith, right?
	This could be where all of the scandals in the Catholic faith came from.
	There was a lie, and this is really important to share, that when you start talking about Sebastianism and Frankism, that this was an old fringe movement.
	This is absolutely untrue.
	You can read Israeli historian Gershom Scholem's work.
	Not only is it not true, the very first Jewish support, a Supreme Court justice in America was a Frankist.
	He kept a picture of Ava Frank on his Supreme Court desk.
	That's Louis Brandes, okay?
	It's right in your face what's going on.
	Okay.
	They have tremendous amount of power.
	They've always had power.
	And it is because what they believe in is evil is okay.
	They believe in the doctrine of evil, that you must lower yourself and commit the most depraved acts of evil to prove that evil doesn't actually exist.
	And then you can ascend in society.
	That to me seems to be the guiding philosophy of people in Israel, I would say.
	Like this idea that this is a Sebastian concept, that you can commit acts of evil to get ahead in society is when I see what's happening in Gaza.
	I'm like, how can you, as a human, be okay?
	I don't care about your religion.
	I don't care about your philosophy.
	It's like, how do you look at this and not understand this is evil?
	Well, you can speak to Christian Zionists, I think, in America, have now, they are trickling into the Sebastian concept of, well, there's a bigger goodness that's going to happen if we allow this evil to take place.
	You need to understand where this ideology stems from.
	And that's what I'm committed to helping people to understand.
	Hey, Eulot, we're not going to be on YouTube anymore.
	You know why.
	You're identifying an ideology, or to use the perhaps correct term that you cited at the beginning of your answer, a theology of evil that exists concomitantly with the evolution of our kind.
	Now, you know, I've only read the Bible once because I'm reading the Bible in one year and it's been over a year since I started.
	So I've read the whole Bible once.
	And obviously, as you go through the Old Testament, it's continually a theme of how the chosen people are in precisely the kind of fraught and intermittent schism that you're describing.
	Good leaders and good prophets are called, good men and women are called into positions of power, and then evil in the form usually of false idolatry, Moloch and Baal and various other gods that appear based on my limited understanding of a limited reading of scripture to have at the forefront sacrifice of children.
	Sexual conduct seems to be at the very forefront of these transgressions.
	There's the sense that it's orgastic cults that revolved in child sacrifice.
	It feels like that's what's going.
	It was an orgastic cult, to be clear.
	It is exactly what it was.
	Their rituals consisted, and Jacob Frank did this, of violating sexual order, fathers sleeping with daughters, ecstasy.
	This is actually where Aleister Crowley stems from this.
	So they believe in reincarnation.
	So every century, there's a new, it was Sebastian in the 1700s.
	It was Jacob Frank who said, I'm the reincarnated him in the 1800s.
	Aleister Crowley.
	It just keeps coming back.
	And it's the same exact thing.
	It never changes until you understand the theology that this is real.
	It's been happening.
	This is not a figment of your imagination.
	And it is, of course, satanic.
	They want to violate natural order.
	Natural order is God, right?
	So it is, and they, but they admit it.
	There's nothing that they follow the philosophy of a doctrine of evil.
	Where it gets scary is that you have people who are well-meaning Jews who don't know that this is where it comes from.
	So even the Star of David, that was never a symbol for Judaism until Sebastian Zebi, 1666, right?
	This is when he declared himself the Messiah in 1666.
	And that symbol is actually from Solomon.
	They believe that it has like, you know, mystic powers.
	And prior to that, it was the Kiddish cup that represented Judaism.
	So if you go on Wikipedia, it'll tell you that.
	It's Kabbalistic.
	So they're wearing the Star of David.
	The Jews that I went to school with, do I think that they're practicing orgies?
	No, of course not.
	Of course not.
	The reformed Jews are not doing that that I went to school with.
	They don't know where that comes from in the same way that I don't know my history.
	We are all born and raised.
	We're told these things.
	They're being told, you wear this because the Holocaust happened and, you know, you should love this symbol.
	It's a symbol of who you are.
	And I am challenging them to learn more because it does go back to ball worship.
	You're exactly correct when you say that.
	They don't know that no more than I knew things about black history.
	You know what you're told.
	We have to all become more studious on the topic of theology is what I think.
	Yes, in the study of absolute truth.
	And in order to study truth, there has to be a willingness to unplug from what you think you know.
	Now, people, I've long understood that there's a kind of correlative and parallel between awakening and a kind of insanity and even foolishness, because as one unsubscribes from the doctrine of a culture that will tell you these are the people that are good, these are the ideas that are good, these are the institutions you can trust, these are the institutions you can't trust, you are in a kind of very protein, volatile wilderness space.
	And I think the culture is kind of emulating that right now.
	Indeed, the technology is facilitating mass communication at such pace that you could almost say that time itself is being affected.
	Imagine the communication miracles that we easily and even now participate in, Candice, and how that would compare to a time where people are creating papayas and scribing on stones and stuff.
	Like time itself would seem slower.
	Time itself would seem slower.
	And somehow, somehow in this atemporal space, we have to have to locate the very notion of good.
	Now, the first thing that's not possible is to locate good if people tell you there is no God.
	If you're told that nature is the sum of itself, materialism is all.
	The universe began in an explosion caused by nothing, and all of the rules emerged simultaneously and we are the inhabitants of it.
	And indeed, the logical rationale that I'm using to make this conclusion is a part of those irrational, random processes.
	That's one set of beliefs, materialism.
	And the other one is there was a God, there was a creator, his son came to earth.
	You know, there are, of course, there are rifts and variances, but it's interesting that the major faiths emerge from this same place at this same time.
	You know, and at best, you could argue, well, perhaps that's just a place where we have good records.
	Maybe God is everywhere and certainly all over the globe simultaneously expressing himself in a variety of ways.
	Now, I know these sigils have power.
	I know the cross means more, for example, than just the place of sacrifice of our Lord.
	How interesting that this perfect, whole, godly human must live the whole and perfect life for the veil to be torn, for the curtain to be torn, for the information to be freed from the temple, for us to have the location in ourselves, the site of the pain.
	Solomon's temple was, of course, built at the site of David's atonement for his greatest transgression in taking a census.
	And I take this to mean, Candace, that in the place of your greatest pain is where God will dwell in you.
	You will find God in the sight of your greatest injury and your greatest wound if you accept God, if you make atonement.
	Some people reject God.
	So I'm very interested, of course, to hear that at the center of this power is not as they would, one group would have you believe.
	And it's really rather beautifully summarized by that scene at the end of the movie Network where the radical newscaster who goes off grid and off script and says, look, systems, man, I'm not going to take it anymore, is eventually confronted, like and just starts telling people the truth and becomes a cult.
	And he does this, you know, fictionally, of course, but in the managed world where they can turn off the camera and turn off the light and switch you off.
	By the end of it, he has this wonderful confrontation with the person that owns the conglomerates who says, do you have any idea what powers you're messing with?
	That, you know, there are no nations.
	These are concepts that are illusory and temporary.
	Now, when I first saw that as a kid, the thing is with me, my general didn't review, I took acid young.
	I took acid young.
	I was broken young.
	I didn't come from a normal fact.
	God bless my mother and father.
	But I, you know, there was not good containment for what I have in me.
	And it sounds like you're describing a very similar thing.
	Now, the difference is from like the culture 50 years ago.
	You know, I watched as friends like mine, like Amy Winehouse, who have brilliance in them, are eaten by the culture and essentially sacrificed by the culture.
	The culture sacrifices.
	That's facts about her.
	Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it?
	It was a different time.
	Like the icons 50 years ago would, their only route is through music or through sport.
	Or, you know, if you're not coming through the right schools, I'm not saying that everyone that goes through those schools is bad because I know your husband, who I already love, went to Oxford and stuff.
	Like, you know, people making it outside of those channels and outside of those systems was rare and anomalous.
	Now it can just happen to anyone.
	You might be Mr. Beast.
	Mr. Beast is the Howard Stern of these days.
	Joe Rogan.
	He's organic.
	He's high military family.
	Oh, no.
	Yeah, he was literally created.
	It's not doing satanism, is he?
	You can see it in his eyes.
	Something's not right with him.
	And I thought it was Joe Rogan, the Oprah Wimfrey of our time.
	Now, if you're going to, like, you know, he creates other styles, Theo Von, you'd be a star.
	You know, you can create stars.
	He's a star generator.
	But I suppose whatever these systems are, the question that I'm trying to guide you us towards now is some people will say it's just about money and power.
	It's just about money and power.
	And that's easier to corroborate because, you know, whenever you're doing this investigative work, Candace, I guess you're able to go, look, this person paid this person or this person received this phone call or this person sent this message.
	Corroboratable.
	When it gets into the esoteric occultist Luciferianism, then you can sort of prove it theologically and ideologically, but it becomes harder to demonstrate.
	And I suppose the reason that what's happening with you right now and what's happening with the Epstein thing is so interesting is because it's starting, I suppose, to move into a space, people's focus, people's lens, people's gaze, people's attention is starting to fall on a pace where it's not just, oh, well, these rich families are just creating revenue and creating money.
	It's starting to arrive at the point where we are identifying that the people that we think are in positions of power, kings, presidents, prime ministers, are only permitted to be in that position if they've been pre-compromised and are therefore malleable so that they can't get in and become president of the United States or prime minister of France or England and go, right, I'm going to do it for you guys because God's real and we're all the same and I love you and we're all one under Christ and this is only temporary and we're in exile.
	Let's love one another and be willing to die for what we believe in.
	They've got to stop that happening.
	Now there are these weird ancillary channels where people like you, I'm guessing what you're saying is you're willing to die for this.
	Yeah, I mean, everyone should be, I don't think of it as being like willing to die.
	It's like, are you willing to go to heaven?
	You know, that's the way it's Focusing on this world and death all the time is actually one of their strategies.
	They want you to be fearful.
	And this is the reason why so many people subject themselves to what they know is evil.
	This is why they stay silent.
	And your silence is just complicity.
	On the subject of children, for me, and that is when I just completely got off of any support for Donald Trump, is when he gaslit us over the Epstein files.
	And it was a major letdown.
	I had already kind of been distancing myself from politics.
	It wasn't my strong suit.
	That was always a difference between me and Charlie.
	I loved the culture.
	Charlie loved the politics.
	He was a natural politician and very diplomatic and would just want to make it work with everybody.
	I don't, I'm not that way.
	No, you don't.
	I don't, when people censor people, I don't have nothing to do with them.
	I don't care how much money they have.
	I just want to go away.
	And for me, if we are a society that allows children to be harmed, right?
	But we're not a society.
	If we know that's going on and we turn the other way, what's the point of anything that we're doing if we can't keep children safe?
	And becoming a mother, obviously, is a major reason why I am so committed to this.
	And I am challenging people to learn the stuff that I know.
	I don't care about, I know their methods now.
	That's part of the problem.
	When you study Sigmund Freud, and that was kind of a wacky thing that I fell into accidentally, I was just researching how all of these psychologists kind of were raping kids.
	It's kind of weird.
	Sigmund Freud's best friend, Wilhelm Fleece, who he had a homosexual relationship with because they're all also all homosexual, he was his mentor.
	And Wilhelm Fleece raped his son, Robert Flees.
	How do we know Robert Fleece said it?
	He's like, Yeah, my dad did this.
	And they're just, Sigmund Freud's allowed to exist.
	Well, Sigmund Freud's crucial to know that Sigmund Freud was a fraud.
	Sigmund Fraud is really what he should be known as.
	Because once you realize that, you then go, okay, but Sigmund Freud is the Bernays family, right?
	Because they keep marrying into each other.
	Edward Bernays is, so that's psychology.
	That's propaganda.
	Did that keep up in their family?
	Well, Clement Freud, Sir Clement Freud, was his grandson.
	He raped kids.
	He was knighted.
	So it's just, it's all right there in front of our faces.
	And the biggest PR person is Matthew Freud, right?
	That's the Royals PR person in the UK.
	He's very powerful.
	They're also married into Rupert Murdoch's family.
	The Freuds and the Murdoch are married into each other.
	So you are actually looking into power.
	Yeah.
	And that has not dissipated.
	So they're not, if you, if we, if we go back to the source and Sigmund Freud was doing this for a fact, okay, what does that tell us about the world that we're in?
	That he's honored.
	That when I grew up in school, they called him the father of modern psychology.
	We're literally honoring the perverts.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	We're honoring the perverts.
	And it can't, we can't live in a world like that.
	That's why I encourage people to pull their kids out of school.
	Right.
	That's amazing.
	You're amazing.
	Welcome to Stay Free with Russell Brand today on honoring the perverts.
	The perverts that we'll be honoring include Sigmund Freud.
	Now, look, I've got a lot to say about that last bit because, right?
	Firstly, I remember when I first got fascinated and fixated on Freud and like the psychology because I had mental health problems when I was a kid and I was trying to work myself out.
	So I started reading, you know, Freud for beginners, Freud for dummies, trying to understand it.
	Then I was like, oh, right.
	Freud's fundamental thrust was that all character emerges from sexuality, which is a way of saying we're thresholded in the animal and in the human.
	There is no divine.
	His great dispute with Jung, and I'm obviously pre-seeing and being reductive here, was that Jung said, no, there's something else.
	There's a godlike power that's beyond us.
	There are patterns and rhythms and archetypes and there's a language flowing through time.
	God is real.
	I don't understand it.
	But there's something in geometry.
	Like Jung was a mystic and he had his problems.
	Of who doesn't?
	Who among us doesn't?
	But what the psychiatry did is it placed authority for the analysis of the spirit in the hands of pseudo-science.
	Because, you know, you can have therapy that's grounded in Christ.
	You can have discussions with, you know, be a part of a women's group or a men's group or a young person's group and talk about these are the challenges of being a man.
	This is what it's like to be in society.
	This is what it's like to feel broken.
	You can have all that.
	But you extract God and say the highest power is sex.
	If the highest power is sex, then, well, let's go.
	Half the job's done.
	If there's no good, there's no evil, and sex is the highest power.
	You can see where that river might flow to.
	Now, what's really also, I guess, interesting is I know that what you're saying is right.
	And I know that it's grounded in research, in particular, what you're saying about Freud and the correspondence and exchanges that you've cited in the two books.
	You've been really clear about that.
	Now, what's really interesting to me is like, and I wonder about this with your own relationship with and connection to England.
	Like, because say when I was like a Hollywood star type guy and married to Katie, I've obviously read loads of things like, oh, Kate Perry, she has a handler.
	She does this.
	She did that.
	She's like, and like I, when I was married to her, it was just nothing interesting.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't want to be derogatory, but nothing occultist or weird happened.
	It was like, well, this is what that was.
	Oh, man.
	I've like married someone that I didn't know well enough because I'm an idiot and I wanted to think I could hold fame like a trophy in my arms.
	And she was so splendid and so famous, right?
	I didn't ever, no one was like, right, Katie, we want you to have these demonic images in your videos or whatever, even though I've seen really sort of credible and interesting things where people say, look at that mechanical beast.
	I think she's called Gigi Young.
	She's a YouTuber who talks about sort of scriptural analysis and the demonic and all this.
	And it's pretty fascinating.
	But because I've been there and been with Katie Perry and known her and loved her, I just think, well, she was like a young Christian woman who got a break in show business and as any ambitious person who goes down that channel would pursue it.
	Then sort of the second part, and I know you'll have stuff to say about that.
	I can see your eyes.
	I can see you.
	I can see you churning it over.
	Looking to call some sort of source.
	Looking to screen, grab a chat and call some international scandal.
	And then when I was in England, right, I was with someone who was like a like this lady called Jemima Khan, who had previously been married to Imran Khan, the Indian present, jailed Indian former president.
	And she's the daughter of Jimmy Goldsmith.
	And when Britain got all carved up in the 70s, 8 George will know of the family.
	She was Jemima Khan Ni Goldsmith.
	And the Goldsmiths and the Rothschilds were kind of intermarried and stuff.
	Like I would meet her brother who would be married to like a Rothschild.
	And at that time, I've read David Icke and all of that kind of stuff.
	And I've done a bunch of acid and, you know, in my own broken way of trying to understand this world and what power is really and what God is really.
	And, you know, I weren't with our Lord yet.
	And again, like, you know, I went to a gathering that same way as I've been to a Diddy party.
	I went to a Diddy party, like a white party.
	I never, you know, there was no lotion or excitement.
	It's the kind of thing I'd have been susceptible to then.
	I was very open to the idea of sort of sexual pleasure.
	Anyway, so what I'm saying is, is I'm saying all this merely to illustrate that where are these things?
	Because I agree with what you said about Freud, that the culture used him to reposition power and to, you know, I agree with that.
	But like, where are, you know, because I've met Matthew Freud.
	I've met Matthew Freud.
	And like, I've, you know, and I'm not like, not, I'm not saying these people are going to like, you know, this things that you and your husband are going to talk about.
	And you're not going to tell me, of course, obviously, as it should be.
	And like in brief encounters with people, I'm not going to be able to, you know, take their entire temperature.
	But what I suppose I'm saying is, is that when we move from saying these people are materialistic and they're just trying to get loads of power and dominate media so they can control the message and dominate government, you know, when we ask that final question, why?
	Like, then you're sort of like, you have to start imagining the robes and the blood and the pentagrams.
	And it starts to become like, I guess that's a point where, you know, and like where people find it hard to cross.
	Yeah.
	And I think that's why you have to read the books.
	And because that's where I was.
	It was like, okay, maybe this happened fast.
	Do I really think this is still going on?
	Well, it's kind of weird that he like there, they have so much power and they've been caught in all of these scandals.
	Like when I was yesterday going through the DuPont scandals where like they were in trouble for raping their kids and like this has all happened and killing people, it's they were not in trouble.
	Like they got tried and like I've which P, I don't remember, I don't remember which DuPont we were reading about yesterday, but like he raped his three-year-old daughter and then sexually assaulted his infant, right?
	This is like people that are in power right now, like alive and in Delaware, right?
	And that's fine.
	They're still allowed to own everything for some reason.
	The judge was like, that's okay.
	$60,000 fine and you're out of here.
	So yeah, you now then need to make the next step, which is, is this stuff going on?
	So let's, I want to use your Katie Perry point because I think that's important.
	Sigmund Freud was not initiated until he was 35 years old.
	They say the secrets are so powerful.
	You're not going to get initiated until you're 35, between 35 and 37.
	They believe in numerology and all these sorts of things.
	Then you, when you're reading this book, you realize this is like the same cult that went to established Hollywood.
	So there's another book that you should read that's called Hollywood Babylon.
	It's a very good book by Kenneth Enger.
	And he talks about all of these scandals.
	He was an occultist.
	He's telling you how they lived, right?
	He's like, here's what we were doing.
	And this person who got shot and killed and this person in Aleister Crowley's book, The Occult went from Vienna, Sigmund Freud.
	They took the pedophiles from Vienna.
	This was a major crisis that was happening.
	They were getting caught raping a bunch of kids and they came over and established Hollywood.
	That's just a fact.
	Okay.
	Now, the people who, when Katy Perry comes up and she gets bigger and bigger and she's like, oh, wow, they really like me.
	And who's going to do my next video?
	You think it's Katy Perry that's like, let's put a bull.
	Wouldn't that be really, they go, this is the greatest director ever.
	This person's going to dress you.
	He's the most amazing fashion.
	This is how they get you in.
	Katie doesn't know anything, right?
	She's, I'm just judging this.
	I don't think Katy Perry is the person that's involved in this, but I understand that what they do is they give you the best designer.
	They give you the best music person.
	And this is going to be the person that's going to make your album.
	These people are the families you should look into, right?
	And I've done that.
	And when you read Hollywood Babylon, that gets really interesting, like, especially when it comes to fashion, like the fashion world, as we've learned with Brigitte, my goodness, when you read Becoming Brigitte, I can't, I cannot.
	Like, I used to love like Yves St. Laurent.
	I am powerful.
	I mean, like, you cannot with these brands.
	What?
	Yes.
	I love their trousers.
	No, you cannot.
	Are you wearing Yves St. Laurent?
	No, but is it Pedo?
	Yeah.
	It is literally, you can never wear Yves St. Laurent.
	It is like, it is so demonic and so disgusting.
	These were the people.
	And then they were like, we're going to make this in vogue, right?
	We're just going to make this all in vogue.
	And you're going to aspire.
	So this in that instance.
	Well, so exam, for example, the Balenciaga thing, right?
	Oh, yeah, with the teddy still tied up and sort of a bit adjacent.
	Also, do you realize these are all French brands?
	It's not interesting, right?
	Never trusted them.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So this is coming out of Paris because the Frankists were the ones that caused the French Revolution.
	Jacob Frank.
	So they believed in changing your name using different identity.
	It goes, and then they flooded into and they overthrew France.
	Okay.
	It was always an attack on the Christian Empire.
	Sigmund Freud wrote this explicitly.
	This is our religion.
	When people learn that it's our religion, it's problematic.
	So we need to practice dissimulation in writing.
	We need to be not honest about what we're doing because every time people find out what we're doing, like suddenly we're being kicked out of countries.
	So Sigmund Freud set about introducing their theology in a cultural way.
	Okay.
	This is the beginning of Hollywood.
	We are going, if you're following Hollywood, you are asleep and you have already been indoctrinated into a Sebastian Frankist cult.
	The evidence for that is right there in books.
	Like, there's no, there is no arguing about who Sigmund Freud was and what his intent was.
	He's like, we need to modernize, we need to update, we need to make it cool.
	And then all of these cultural movements were born.
	And this is like, you know, this is going to be cool and fashion and vogue and young people and we're going to be super skinny and we're going to make people care about products and designers and labels.
	And we have been following pedophiles, gay pedophiles.
	It's a gatriarchy.
	Nice.
	I don't think you've been in mornography yet, but gatriarchy is good.
	No, I got that from Milo Yiannopoulos, actually.
	He said that when he was speaking, oh, no, actually, it was Mark.
	It was not Milo.
	Well done, Mark.
	It was Mark.
	Mark said it.
	He's like, I was like, we don't live in a patriarch.
	We live in a gatriarchy.
	You're inventing good new slurs.
	Yes.
	It is.
	It is.
	That's good.
	Listen, I had quite a lot come to me there, dear beloved Candace.
	One was like, there's one of the filmmakers and thinkers that really influenced me when I'm like, I'm an autodidact, I'm like educating myself, as you have to, to qualify for that title.
	We're watching documentaries.
	There's this BBC filmmaker called Adam Curtis.
	He's made a bunch of very brilliant documentaries: The Power of Nightmares, The Century of Self, and The Century of the Self was his first film in which he told how Edward Bernays used the ideas of his uncle Sigmund Freud to create the profession of PR.
	Primarily, and I'm obviously reducing this for brevity, such as I can, was to ensure that products elicited a certain feeling.
	Because in a sane culture, you might buy food to nourish your body, and you might buy a vehicle just to drive you around, and you might buy, you wouldn't worship those objects, you wouldn't elicit the state of worship.
	So I can see how, in a more mundial and demonstrable way, the ideas of Freud, Adam Curtis's work, were used to generate the profession of PR.
	And as you, and what you're saying, somewhat more esoteric and a little harder to chew for people, you know, because that's what it is.
	Not everyone gets all the gear, Candace.
	You know, like, is that, wow, they've been introducing ideas to the culture, making it normal to sexualize children.
	What about the sort of other roots of pedophilia, which I suppose we associate with paganism?
	For example, E.G., when Columbus Columbus and his crew arrived in these lands, like some of the ceremonies with the native people, very casual encounters of, you know, just sexual, I don't know if they were of age girls or post-pubescent.
	You know, I guess one might quarrel and query that age is a numerical register and the real marker is sexual maturation and consent of the individual.
	One might argue those are the real markers.
	But there are other instances where pedophilia seems to sort of coalesce and become acculturated other than this.
	I wonder what it is that we're saying that they are getting from it.
	Is it as simple as pleasure?
	Is there more to it than that?
	Is this just a head?
	Because, you know, don't you?
	Would you agree?
	And it seems like what you're saying, and what I would agree with you plainly and absolutely on, is that we live in a sort of a modern pagan culture, as in we worship false idols via the self, like via the self, we worship pleasure in food or sex or sexuality.
	There's actually no reason for a heterosexual or a homosexual or anybody to have their sexuality at the forefront of their identity.
	It should be a secondary characteristic, not the not, if you build a shrine to it, it's a kind of crazy thing to do, like to make it the center.
	It's such a small portion of what you do.
	And like when I recognized, gosh, my own place in the culture for a minute, like when I was famous, famous, like I was being, hey, screw loads of women.
	Like I was.
	Indoctrinated into the faith.
	You didn't realize it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It was very intentional.
	It was all about sexuality because they thought, you know, if this is the easiest way to subject people to our religion is to make them obsessed with pleasure, constantly in the pleasure realm.
	And even the language, which is why it's so fascinating to study Sigmund Freud's work and how intentional they were about this, was to make it seem like it's cool.
	Like, oh, hey, man, like, you know, that's your ego that's talking to you.
	He writes about the ego.
	You got to let go of the ego.
	But that actually is the precursor to that 60s movement of like rock and roll.
	This was ever intentional.
	This was not, this was by design by the government, the 60s movement.
	And there's another fascinating book, Chaos, which I know has gone very viral.
	And Tom O'Neill did great work on this, but it just keeps coming up that this was a faith.
	Even the language of Hollywood, they thought about this, worshiping stars.
	This Hollywood Babylon book shows this, like they wanted to get people to worship stars.
	They even intentionally started the gossip column on Sundays because they wanted people not to go to church and to instead run and obsess about the latest scandal.
	They thought about this intentionally in Hollywood to put a gossip column on Sundays.
	Beyond that, when they first opened movie theaters for people to come worship stars, they called them cathedrals, right?
	This was an intentional way to supplant the Catholic Church.
	And Sigmund Freud hated the Catholic Church.
	He's very clear about that in his writing.
	They hate Christians and they had felt that they were.
	And that's what was going on in Europe.
	There was this war to break up the Christian empire because, and I think one day Isabelle of Spain will be sainted, they were calling out what they were doing.
	Sigmund Freud says it explicitly: you know, when the Catholic Church finds out what we're doing, it's problematic.
	So we need to not present it as a religion.
	And it's right, it's so close.
	I think we're talking about what, 1895, and none of us knew this.
	We're not learning this in school at all.
	And it's so important, I think, for people to go back and learn about what happened at the turn of the century and why they demand war.
	When people start to wake up and go, what's going on?
	Christians were suddenly writing to each other.
	And there's this guy who was publishing, like, we need to talk about this.
	You know, it was called the Talmud Jew.
	It was after another Christian got killed and they said it was ritualistic.
	And by the way, the Frankists admitted that there was ritualistic killings of kids.
	So we're talking again, Jews versus Jews.
	So you don't have to read anti-Semitism into it.
	But yeah, exactly.
	But this is, this happened.
	The schism happened and they were like, yes, we're killing Christian kids and they admitted this.
	And, you know, Catholic Church, protect us and baptize us all and give us noble titles.
	And we'll tell you about all the Christian kids that we killed.
	And that's what happened.
	They turned Jacob Frank into a noble.
	But it is in, it's important to recognize that if they were that, it was that easy for them to just wipe history.
	And nobody knows this, right?
	Not only to wipe history, but tend to assert that Sigmund Freud was a hero.
	Then you can understand what's happening today.
	They can't even tell us the truth about what happened five minutes ago.
	Do you think they're telling us the truth about the reasons for war?
	No, it was not what happened was all of these revolutions were not natural.
	They were planned all across Europe.
	They failed.
	The failed revolutions of, I would say, what was it, 1880, 1845.
	And then they all came to America.
	Right.
	These people who were assassinated the Tsar in 1880 then came to America and they were like pogroms.
	You mean like you killed the Tsar and people don't want you living with them?
	Like, I mean, I think that's pretty, you assassinated a Christian king.
	But they are obsessed with publications.
	They are obsessed with publishing because they can rewrite history.
	That is why you cannot trust the mainstream media because that is one of their tools.
	Is we're going to rewrite history, not even history.
	They're rewriting present.
	They are rewriting present.
	I say something and they completely lie about what I've said.
	And they're like, Candace said this.
	And I'm like, okay, well, I definitely don't believe you about anything in terms of World War I, World War II, what happened in Syria yesterday, what's happening in Syria tomorrow.
	Because if you can't even tell the basic truth about what we are observing with our own eyes today, about what's happening in Gaza, why should I believe you about anything else?
	And that's what's happening today when you kind of refer to how power is transferring away from the mainstream is that people know truth when they hear it.
	Because I believe, and this is not, I'm not trying to assert myself as someone that you should believe in, but I'm saying I have always felt that truth carries a more powerful frequency.
	That's why they require our silence.
	And the lie, and Ian Carroll said this, the lie has to be repeated over and over and over again because it's a weaker frequency.
	They keep saying, Candace is an anti-Semite.
	Candace is a self-hating black person.
	Russell is a rapist.
	They have to say it over and over again.
	Because then when someone comes in with the truth and they just have to say that once, and people go, that sounds right.
	I know that that is, I can, it's easy.
	It hits differently when someone's telling you the truth.
	And no matter how many times I tell you, Candice is crazy.
	When I say on my podcast, this event, this turning point event came together too fast.
	Okay.
	I've been on the road with Charlie for four, longer than four years.
	From 2018 to 2024, I did every college campus tour with Charlie.
	Okay.
	It has never come together starting in August.
	It's planned at least a semester in advance.
	Why did this event come together so quickly?
	People go, that's interesting.
	A thousand Christian Judeo influencers can come out and say, that's not true.
	As they did, I booked an event just last week.
	They're lying.
	And I don't know why they're lying, but now I'm focused on figuring out why they're lying.
	Okay.
	Because these are weird lies.
	These are unnecessary lies.
	You don't have to lie about this stuff.
	And that's what I think people are, this is kind of the moment that we're at right now is that the frequency of truth is hitting and more people are being encouraged to say the truth.
	And so the truth is growing louder.
	And that is a threat to the liars.
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	We're told that in this fight that's taking place in Ephesians, that it's taking place against heavenly realms, that we're not fighting against earthly power.
	Principalities, dark places.
	And that we must put on the armor, therefore, and first is the belt of truth that has to be foundational and to protect the survival of the middle, the core through the belt of truth.
	Then the breastplate of righteousness can only be granted to us by God and by grace.
	None of us can earn that righteousness.
	And the shield of faith, because of the flaming arrows of the devil, the good news on our feet, motivated only by telling the truth of Christ, that he came for us, that he loves us, that he loves you, that he loves me, that he loves our children, that he loves our transgression, those that have transgressed against us, that we must be in a state of forgiveness, that we have to be coming from forgiveness, otherwise we'll fall.
	Then we have the sword of the word and then that helmet of salvation to make sure that our minds aren't busy and crazy and in the neurotic and neurological chaos, the electromagnetic field up there.
	Oh, Candace, the other day, someone told me about this experiment where they take group A, group B, they're both in cages, both cages are subject to an electric current.
	Group A dogs have access to a lever, so they can stop the current at any time.
	Group B dogs do not have access to a lever.
	Over time, they learn to just lay down and tolerate the frequency of electricity and live in it.
	The second part of the experiments is both dogs A and B are placed in a new pen and that pen is electrified.
	There's no lever, but the fence is only a foot and a half high.
	The dogs can get out if they want.
	The dogs that have been in group A and had access to the lever all jump out.
	The dogs that have been in pen B that didn't have access to a lever, they just lie down and take it.
	Everything that happens in our brain, the material brain, the biochemical brain, is on some level an electromagnetic impulse.
	We're surrounded 360 by stimulants through our screens, through nutrition.
	We know what's going on in big food.
	We know what's happening in big agriculture.
	We know what's happening in big pharma.
	They're attacking us biochemically.
	Then intellectually or theologically, as you and your husband would say, we're attacked ideologically, continually, kept in a state of stimulation where you can't unplug from that frequency and feel the truth of him.
	If we die on the cross with him, if the body dies, if the body dies, then we can receive the vertical passage.
	We must be grounded, though, in the truth.
	And we can, through horizontal relationship, we can remain in conjunction with him.
	I know that first, the Luciferian sin is he wants power away from God.
	In Luke 10, 12, he says, our Lord, I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning.
	I saw it.
	I saw it happening.
	And the reason that that happens is we want our own circuit.
	I want my own little Russell circuit.
	I want to be Russell and everyone to care about Russell.
	It's only when I go, oh, forget Russell.
	Russell is, God, I'm only valuable because of who loves me.
	If he wants me dead, I'm dead.
	If he wants me alive, I'm alive.
	If he wants me in jail, I'm in jail.
	Wherever he wants me, that's where I'm going.
	And that's like, I can feel it in my body, the fight against that.
	You know, I wonder, do you ever feel that your own motivations, do you feel it on the edge of you ever, Candice?
	The edge of wanting, the edge of self, the feeling of sin.
	Do you feel it ever?
	Of course.
	Are you kidding?
	I sin all the time.
	You know, it is in thought, in word, in deed.
	Probably for me, the thoughts are the hardest.
	That's why I, you know, Father Julian, I have to spend time with him because it's hard to control the thoughts.
	And I think I struggle.
	He tells me that my vice is the thought of vengefulness.
	That was really, that was the greatest challenge for me.
	Everyone has a vice.
	Mine's never been money.
	Like, you know, some people are just like, you know, the exchange of money.
	But the vengefulness, the thoughts, the greatest challenge for me in 2024, I was so angry at what Vidalia had done.
	I was so angry that it like, it brought me to the anger brought me to tears.
	And I didn't understand the sacrament of confession in that moment.
	And I said this to Father Julian.
	I said, you know, what is the point if I, even if I confess it, it doesn't go away, right?
	Like, I still feel it.
	Like, what is this exercise where I can't, I can't control the, I am, I'm not acting on it.
	Like I'm not doing anything, but and I felt like because I couldn't do anything.
	And I'm like, but I'm still, I'm angry that I can't, you know, I'm just angry.
	Like I think that's fair, right?
	And sure enough, he's like, yeah, it's not like this isn't like a miracle thing you're going to say and get up and feel great, happy, like it's all.
	But being conscious of it and saying it and recognizing it, that is part of the exercise.
	And sure enough, like one day it just went away.
	It did.
	It just went away.
	And I realized by that moment that I didn't have to be vengeful.
	You know, vengeance belongs to the Lord and that there was something greater on the other side of this for me.
	And the most, and when I say humiliating thing, I do mean humiliating as in humility.
	The word stemming from humility was that, and I look back on this.
	And when I was fired, it was so hard for me, but I did get on my hands and my knees and I prayed for them.
	I prayed for them.
	I prayed and I did it every Mass.
	I prayed for Ben, I prayed for Jeremy, I prayed for Andrew Clavin.
	And that was, it was humiliating for me to do that.
	And I still, I practice that.
	I think you have to pray for your enemies and you, and you, it makes it sound hard and it is hard.
	I want to be very clear.
	It is hard.
	And it's especially hard if you are me because I think that I have been, and maybe this is my, maybe this is my own arrogance speaking, but I think that I have been a good person to people.
	There was no one that can say Candace wasn't a good worker.
	She wasn't an honest worker.
	I play fair.
	You know, I feel that I play fair.
	I play very fair.
	I've never, I'm never trying to be tricky.
	You'll never hear a story of, you know, Russell can't send like Russell and Russell was going to go on Matt Walsh's podcast and she called Matt and said, I don't do that.
	Like, I, you know, I'm very, I'm like, you know what?
	If I don't, if I have an issue, like I had an issue when I had Nick on my podcast, I call Tucker and say, don't have Nick.
	I don't agree.
	Like, you know, I believe in the free markets genuinely.
	Like, and if I have experience with somebody, it doesn't mean it's going to be the same as somebody else's experience.
	And so I felt like it was so unfair, like that I found myself in that circumstance.
	But it's because I'm only human.
	And I remind people that you are only human.
	You know nothing because you are only human.
	God, as I like to describe it as I see it here, he is the ultimate mathematician.
	And so where he is putting subtractions in your life, these feel like subtractions.
	Why are you taking, taking?
	Maybe he's giving you an addition, subtract, divide, whatever it is.
	It's because there is some beautiful summation at the end that you just are not equipped to understand and see.
	And that's kind of my perspective on life.
	Thank you, Candace.
	You're so welcome.
	Thank you for having me.
	All right.
	So lovely.
	Thanks for doing this.
	Thank you.
	Forgiveness is where we've ended, isn't it?
	Like we must feel it.
	We must feel great forgiveness so that we can be the recipients of the light, the coming light, the coming light.
	We must be forgiving.
	I find that difficult too.
	I hold on.
	I hold on.
	I have to let go.
	I have to let go.
	They're only human.
	We're only human.
	We're just being here to be human, to be loving and worship our God.
	First, worship him with no expectation.
	Not like, oh, if I worship him, I'll get to heaven.
	Just worship and love.
	And that's that.
	Thanks, mate.
	All right.
	So I suppose that's, we've been talking, I reckon, for an hour and 15 minutes or whatever.
	Should we stop talking in this context and format?
	I mean, we did everything.
	We've talked about all it's not an easy thing to traw through with you, is it?
	Like, let me do this if I want.
	Like, hello, if you're going to watch this show, then like I did talk about Charlie Kirk and the assassination.
	I did talk about Brigitte Macron and what she's gotten, what she's not gotten, all of that.
	I did talk about Israel's potential role.
	We did talk about deep occultism.
	We did.
	I didn't, I forgot to say, everyone's got to come to Jesus.
	Everyone.
	Yeah.
	And to understand that when you say Christ is king, it's not a phrase.
	Like to me, that means truth is king.
	Truth will triumph.
	Truth has already won, actually.
	Christ has already won.
	And I have, that's what I commit myself to is the truth.
	And it is not easy.
	And it's, it's crazy that it's not easy.
	Like, I don't know.
	It feels like in a fair system, telling the truth would be easy.
	And people would just come out and say, this is the truth.
	And this is why.
	And you realize it's because our world has in large part been dominated by a lie.
	You know, Satan shall inherit the earth.
	And you, you see that all around that people are willing to compromise their soul.
	That's also not an expression.
	When people say that you are selling your soul, and I really want to say this, especially to the quote-unquote Christian influencers, you are literally selling your soul.
	Like that's not, it's not a fun expression.
	You're making a trade for earthly possessions, right?
	This time is nothing.
	It's a it's a blip.
	There is eternity.
	You have an eternal soul, and you are making an exchange right now so that you can have a bigger house, maybe that you can buy a Balenciaga perverted bag.
	I don't know what it is, but just know that it's real.
	It's all real.
	And you want to know if you don't think it's real, start studying Sigmund Freud and see how committed they were to once you understand true evil and how committed they were to making you godless, you will suddenly realize that there is a God.
	My kids, uh, they play like tocaboca, they can't play Minecraft, that's demonic, can't play Roblox, that's demonic, yeah.
	To co-boke in there, they're like, oh, can we buy this house, dad?
	It's like real money, like it's one that I have to go, what?
	Like, I have to give them $2, you know, in a digital format of real money so they can acquire possessions in this world.
	And I think, oh, yes, this is that's not the last layer of it.
	This is a layer of that.
	We are trading pixelated, illusory matter projected onto a field temporarily that we are the occupant of and potential co-creators with him when we accept Christ, when we become a channel of his pieces.
	St. Francis says, by sanctifying ourselves, we sanctify society by allowing the sanctification to come, by allowing the pain to come, by doing those prayers for praying for people so that you've changed.
	So the part of you, the part of you that's still wedded and glommed onto that can be released and freed because it's not real anyway.
	Only he is real.
	He is the ultimate reality.
	That which is practiced in time is by its nature entropy falling apart even now.
	Only his eternal glory is worth worshiping and bowing down for.
	I wonder why they're so committed to it, Candace.
	I wonder what they're getting out of it.
	I wonder what these dark forces that are no doubt real are getting out of whatever they do.
	It's amazing to talk to you.
	Well done.
	Keep being brave.
	I pray for you.
	I pray for your family.
	You know that.
	Yeah, that's the most important thing that I could ask for is that people continue to pray.
	But also to have faith, you know, don't be scared.
	Your part, what you can do is to say the truth.
	Add to the frequency of truth.
	You know, add to the frequency of truth.
	That's good.
	Put that on a t-shirt.
	Well, let me know what you thought about that.
	What an interesting conversation.
	What an interesting woman.
	What an interesting time.
	As you know, my belief is the culture can't accommodate all of these voices yet.
	It's not news.
	It's not media.
	It's not entertainment anymore.
	It's in some ways, you could unkindly say the oft-cited maxim of a million monkeys with a million typewriters would eventually recreate the works of Shakespeare.
	But mass communication means mass opining.
	And here comes everyone was an influential book, wasn't it?
	And Martin Guri's Revolt of the Public.
	What we've got now is some people that would have been shut down long, long ago, Tate, Candice Owens, me, are still in the space, still communicating.
	Now, what you know about me and what you know about Candice Owens, and you know, Andrew Tace is on his own path.
	We'll talk to him soon, I pray.
	Is I'm surrendered to God.
	I'm flawed.
	I'm broken.
	I'm, as I said in the content, sometimes totally lost in self-involvement to the degree where it would hardly surprise me if people thought, oh, he conveniently became Christian when he was attacked and got accused of rape and stuff.
	Well, you can think that, but I'll tell you this: if you're not in Christ, if you do not accept Christ, I don't see a way out of this for any of us.
	But I also don't believe that it should be mandated for people to become Christian in the way that some people think it's mandated that you all take a vaccine.
	You know, I believe in your sovereignty and your freedom.
	And I believe the technology that has liberated the media space has to penetrate politics and it will.
	We need to localize democracy and invest in direct democracy.
	And what I mean by invest is think about it and wake up to it because you could have complete control of your own life, your own family, your own community.
	And the ideology would be up to you.
	Maximum decentralization, of course, within reason.
	There are certain principles that surely we're all agreed on, like don't kill one another, don't rob one another.
	Basically, you know, Judeo-Christian law, the Ten Commandments, we're all pretty much agreed on that.
	And I'm sure we're agreed that there should be some standing military force in the event of international conflict.
	But beyond that, the principle is minimal intervention, maximum decentralization, maximum democracy.
	Consider it.
	It will happen if enough of us believe in it.
	First, the principle.
	And that is sovereignty under God.
	Second, the system, decentralized direct democracy.
	And then the freedom.
	That's what I believe.
	But that's just what I think.
	Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
	Let's know who you want to see as guests on our show.
	We'll be back on Wednesday.
	Wednesday with John Campbell.
	Man, there's a dude that tells the truth.
	It's a fantastic conversation.
	You'll love it.
	We get into it about the UK.
	We get into it about the reckoning of the pandemic.
	We talk about abortion, euthanasia, and Christ Jesus.
	Praise the Lord.
	See you later.

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