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Nov. 7, 2025 - Stay Free - Russel Brand

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THE LEFT’S NEW STAR — What Zohran Mamdani’s Victory Really Means - SF647

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	Ladies and gentlemen, Radical Brand trying to bring real journalism to the American people.
	Hello, you Awakening Wonders.
	Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand and what a fantastic and special show it is.
	We are going to be talking about Mamdani.
	We're communists now.
	It's communism and we're Muslims.
	Are we Muslims yet?
	Have we become Dave?
	Are you still Jesus?
	I still love Jesus.
	Jake's still Jesus.
	Yeah.
	Joe's still Jesus.
	Christ is king.
	Massey, where are you from again?
	Iran.
	Atheist, mate.
	Atheist.
	Yeah, let's see.
	I told you it don't work, Persia.
	Now, Bomb, now, so Mamdani has won that.
	We'll be talking about that.
	We're going to be talking about Guy Fawkes, that a plucky little fella who tried his damnest in the holy name of God to blow up the houses of parliament, but some snitch, some grass.
	Like, that's what happened, Joe.
	They would have gotten away with it too if it hadn't been for one of them wrote a letter to one of his mates who's in parliament and said, you might not want to go to work on the 5th of November.
	A couple of us Catholics are thinking of making a bit of a storm.
	Joe, don't be proud of Guy Fawkes.
	We'll be talking about all that.
	If you want to watch this show in this entire, click the link, get on Rumble.
	We're going to be talking about, yes, Mamdani, we're going to be talking about revolution.
	We're going to be talking about, and you might be interested in this, proof of actual God.
	In case you've had doubts, we're going to prove the presence of God.
	We're going to be talking a little bit about tipping because Massey wants to talk about that.
	He's an atheist, so you know, he's got to cling on to every penny.
	Got to enjoy it while you're here because this is all there is.
	And we'll be talking about the Jamaica hurricane conspiracy.
	I don't even know what that means.
	Right now, I'm in Austin.
	There might still be tickets available.
	Look at that.
	Look at how so vulnerable.
	Oh, I've been accused of rape.
	I'm knackered.
	Oh, yeah.
	And then I'm going straight from that to the Bitcoin historical, a conference by the nation, national Bitcoin office.
	I'm going to be in El Salvador pretty soon.
	You can't come and see me in El Salvador.
	And if you try, you'll end up in one of their super prisons.
	I'm there with Mamdani.
	Also, during this time, oh, no, Mamdani.
	He's not there.
	Bukay.
	Bukayle is the first millennial president.
	We'll be talking about that in a little bit.
	And also, I'm going to be doing this event.
	You can't come to that either.
	I don't know why I'm promoting things you can't come to.
	Maybe you can come to it.
	I'm doing a lot of stuff is basically what I'm saying.
	But right now what we're doing is we're talking about...
	Yeah, they can't go, but just know.
	Just know that's what we're doing.
	Cool things are happening.
	Cool things are happening everywhere.
	Let's have a look.
	All right.
	So look, let's talk about this Mamdani thing briefly before we move into our stuff.
	Because I know, like, because I do this other podcast, actual fans, no, only friends.
	No, only friends.
	Actual friends.
	Actual friends.
	Actually, I love Dave Rubin and Sage Steele and Jillian.
	Yeah, that's you forget my name all the time, too.
	I know you're called Jake.
	One time I got it wrong outside the Bible Museum.
	One time, because of that, that fucking Hungarian missionary, Josh.
	We were outside the Bible Museum, and Dave, for some reason, brought a Hungarian missionary with us on a trip where I was.
	You always need a Hungarian missionary to come with you.
	If you don't have a Hungarian missionary, how are you going to convert those filthy Hungarians?
	They'll be up and down the Danube worshiping Mohammed.
	They'll be worshiping Mohammed on the Danube if you're not careful.
	Anyway, I called Jake Josh by mistake when introducing Jake to the people at the Bible Museum where I'd been sleeping at a Bible museum.
	Let's have a look.
	Let's not get into that.
	Let's firstly cover Mambani and what it means for democracy and whether it's important or not.
	I was talking about it on OnlyFriends, actual friends.
	I was talking about it on actual friends and they're worried about it.
	They're worried about sort of communism and all that kind of stuff.
	But here's my view.
	Dave, here's my view is that you can't, nothing will happen.
	Nothing will happen.
	And the sort of, you know, when, well, things will happen, things will happen, but things happen all the time anyway.
	It doesn't make no difference.
	The institutions of political power are so coercively tight that I don't think it matters.
	But, you know, what do I know?
	Let's have a look at his victory speech.
	What Rubin and them were pointing out is that he was a lot more aggie.
	He was a lot once he's had his victory, he's a bit more like before.
	He was like, they were saying that he was very sort of calm and patient and like a real little darling when he was campaigning.
	You called him, he was a little bit more aggy.
	Oh, yeah, Aggie, like up for aggravation.
	That means something different in the South.
	Yeah.
	Oh, Aggie, what does that mean in the South?
	Aggies.
	Texas AM.
	Oh, man.
	I don't know how I feel about Texas AM.
	Yeah.
	What is that?
	I don't even know how to translate that to you.
	Don't act like your language is better.
	We invented language and you are borrowing English and frankly, you've damaged it.
	Let's have a look at Mamdani being Aggie in an English way, not in a southern way.
	They can't even describe what it means.
	New York will remain a city of immigrants.
	A city built by immigrants.
	Powered by immigrants.
	And as of tonight, led by an immigrant.
	If you accept the term immigrant, in a way, you're accepting national borders and the idea of migration.
	In a way, ultimately, the only kingdom that matters, the only domain that matters is the kingdom of God.
	Thy kingdom come.
	Thy will be done.
	Of course, though, Mamdani is not speaking in a vacuum.
	He's speaking in a dialectic space that's been created by, let's say, at least 12 years of division, people talking about migration, nationalism, and patriotism.
	I'm a migrant right now in the United States.
	In fact, I would call myself an exile, a political exile.
	And I feel like this is the point I made when I was with a much more right-wing type of crowd.
	I said, all the people that are really scared about Trump and stuff should be heartened that while Trump is president, there is enough systemic democratic freedom that you can get elected democratically a Muslim migrant mayor.
	But I would say that these categories, Muslim migrant, are not ultimately important categories.
	Go on then, Massey, you filthy Muslim migrant.
	He's using the term immigrant in two different ways, right?
	The whole we're a nation of immigrants, meaning everybody other than the Native Americans is an immigrant to America.
	So it means everyone was an immigrant.
	But then he says, and as from today, led by an immigrant.
	But if everyone in America is an immigrant, hasn't it always been led by an immigrant?
	Yeah, that's brilliant.
	You've pointed out very, very quickly there that that language is disingenuous.
	And I suppose that's what's happened in the cultural space we've been living in.
	People like the Queen of Hearts just use language to mean what they want it to mean.
	Like, you know, in this moment, immigrant means this.
	In this moment, immigrant means that.
	And what I was trying to say to them a lot on old actual friends yesterday was, well, look, let's not do here what the left did to Trump when Trump was campaigning.
	Let's not be hysterical and say, this guy is going to be the worst thing in the world.
	He's a Nazi.
	Just see.
	My personal belief is it won't be that bloody different.
	You wouldn't even notice.
	Like the same sort of stuff will happen.
	Like I, what I felt like, say, like Obama in a Trump.
	Like, was it really that different?
	Like, I don't know who I'm at at worst risk of offending because Trump supporters will go, no, it was so different after Trump took over after Obama.
	And Obama's supporters go, no, it was different in a bad way.
	But I just think, right, that different.
	People are like, well, you know, I think things could be really different.
	It makes me wonder if, you know, people who come in with all these great intentions to bring change, you know, we're going to drain the swamp.
	And then they get into the position, they go like, we can't do anything.
	You know, like they have no power to it.
	So will a communist be able to do the change he actually wants or a socialist?
	Or are they going to get into politics and go, it's all rigged?
	You know what people say when they go, you know, what are the best two days when you buy, you know, the best two days of having a boat, the day you buy the boat and the day you sell the boat, they say.
	And I bet like that's the best you'll see of Mamdani.
	That.
	That's as good as it's going to get.
	Like he's going, yes, yes, I've won.
	Then there'll be a bit where he leaves where he's like, oh, listen, it wasn't like what I thought it was going to be.
	You know, when you get off a roller coaster, oh my God.
	Or like, you know, like it's we like he will have it.
	He'll have to deal with the limitations and restrictions that come with political office.
	Even a maverick outsider like Trump, who I believe that the majority of opposition, let's say, you know, the kind of opposition that's expressed by the BBC editing his speeches to make him seem worse than he is.
	Have a look at that video from earlier this week.
	We'll show you a clip of that later.
	Have a look.
	You're going to love it.
	Like, he's like when this dude leaves office, like, yeah, sorry, what I want to say is like that, even a maverick like Trump, is the war between Ukraine and Russia over?
	Oh, no.
	Is there peace in the Middle East?
	No.
	Has Big Pharma been crushed?
	Is the military industrial complex?
	Like, again, I'm not like, I actually, for what it's worth, think that Trump is a sort of an amazing human being.
	And the problems that you get with Trump are the problems you get with political systems.
	And they don't radically alter in spite of the hysteria that much, not nearly enough, in fact, no matter who you put in office.
	That's my personal opinion.
	And I'm sticking to it.
	If anyone's got anything to add to it, then you can.
	Otherwise, I'm going to show a picture of Mamdani with Alex Soros.
	There he is.
	Alex Soros.
	There they are.
	They're having a nice time.
	I mean, I suppose that's like, look, by the way, is he a communist?
	Is he a communist really?
	I mean, what do people mean by communists?
	Total state control of everything.
	What do they mean?
	Socialism in the extreme.
	Everybody, we should cater to lowest common denominator.
	Rather than some people having great healthcare, everyone has shit healthcare.
	And the one thing we can all agree on is everything is getting shitter anyway.
	So I suppose he can claim victory with that.
	But the whole point of that picture is he's meant to be against billionaires.
	He's literally rallying against billionaires.
	And then there you go.
	He's with Alex Soros.
	People are content to settle for rhetoric.
	We've been coached to just is enough to, I want someone that says these sorts of things.
	I'd like someone who says these sorts of things.
	But like, it doesn't matter.
	It's not going to make no difference.
	If you were really genuinely even an actual communist, you'd go, I'm not fucking businessing with Alex Soros or any of them billionaires.
	It wouldn't, yeah, you wouldn't be down.
	You wouldn't be down.
	New Yorkers rip into Curtis Slyer for splitting the vote and costing the election.
	Who is Curtis?
	Can one of you Americans tell me what that means?
	Sleewar, it is.
	Because I'm thinking about Curtis Steiger.
	Curtis Steiger.
	It can't be him.
	I wonder why we hold on with tears in our eyes.
	And I wonder why, I wonder why.
	It's a bit like Michael Bolton.
	Is it him?
	It's not him.
	No.
	He actually hates Andrew Cuomo and he took about 8% of the vote and everyone was urging him to do the right thing and step out of the race so that people who didn't want to vote for Mamdani would know who to vote for.
	So they basically the argument is that if he didn't hate Cuomo that much, he could have had it so Cuomo would have won and so New York wouldn't go to shit is what most people think.
	But this video is really funny because this is, you know, Mamdani's like, say he thanks everybody, all these immigrants, people in Bodegas and all this.
	Whereas this is an actual New Yorker and he doesn't once mention New Yorkers in his speech, but this is an actual New Yorker talking about what he thinks of Curtis Sleewan.
	I thought it was pretty funny.
	Curtis, I'll send it to him because you don't like either.
	Hey, Curtis, you're a fucking scumbag, like I said all along, all these months.
	You fucking got 8% of the vote.
	You split the fucking vote for the $7 fucking million dollars.
	You were a scummer.
	New Yorker spits in your fucking face every single day you fucking sold out like fucking Judas sold out fucking Jesus Well, thanks, Granddad.
	I appreciate your support.
	And I'll see you at the christening.
	Yeah, like, I say, that guy.
	I wish he was a little bit more direct.
	You never know what people are thinking these days.
	What do you mean?
	What does he mean, though?
	What does he mean by that?
	What kind of Aggie is that?
	Anyway, we pulled a little bit of scripture because the truth of it is this.
	Even though in general, I reckon Trump and MAGA is better at disrupting the kind of globalist imperialist powers that would seek to replace God's authority with endless bureaucracy.
	I ain't like opposed to anything.
	I believe that you should be in charge of your own life and you should democratically run your own community.
	I try and say it all the time.
	One of these days it will catch on.
	Let's have a look at this bit of scripture that Jake pulled for us that sort of helps us to understand the complexity of current power and where we might be from a scriptural perspective from Timothy.
	But understand this, that in the last days, there will come times of difficulty for people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness but denying its power.
	Avoid such people.
	For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of truth.
	Oh, it's such a relief, innit, to hear like truth.
	Like one of the things that I've just found so exhausting and one of the reasons that we had the break that we've just been having is because bought on and heightened by the murder of Charlie Kirk, I felt like I was in a continual tundra of unwinnable conversation, just senselessness and hate and people not having any principles and just the pursuit of endless expedience.
	And then like scripture is like a bomb.
	Just to hear that, I think, it's all right that I don't know.
	It's all right that I'm broken.
	It's all right that I'm weak.
	And it's right that you are as well.
	And you don't have to pretend anymore.
	You don't have to pretend that you know what you're doing.
	What you have to do is surrender to God, repent and accept God.
	Of course you don't know what to do.
	Why would you know what to do?
	How could you know what to do?
	We'll be talking about these subjects, hopefully from a spiritual perspective.
	Over there in the UK is my beloved friend Joe, one of the great reporters.
	Some are calling him since his wonderful work on the Tommy Robinson Patriot March.
	I can't remember what they called it no more.
	Massey, who cuts up our content, Jake, who's running the desk and runs our show, and Dave, whose studio we use here, who has his own podcast, Shoot Me Straight.
	You can connect with that here.
	There's a link there, there, by my mic.
	There, it's there.
	There, I keep it there.
	It's in there somewhere.
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	Welcome back.
	We'll be with you wherever you're watching us for a little while on Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	I'm joined by the people that make this show possible.
	If you haven't got Rumble Premium yet, get Rumble Premium Now, right?
	And now we are in El Salvador.
	Well, maybe we're in El Salvador.
	Are we in Austin?
	Austin.
	We're in Austin.
	I'm in Austin doing the first stand-up show for a long time.
	Then I'll be in El Salvador.
	Then I'll be in Washington, D.C.
	The fact is that this is pre-taped, but we're trying to keep it as raw and live as possible.
	We wouldn't insult you by cutting out the many errors and mistakes.
	Joe, you'll be joining me in El Salvador.
	How's your preparations for that trip going?
	Do you feel ready and do you feel okay?
	Yeah, it's not been so straightforward.
	What's the matter?
	Why are you making it complicated?
	I've given you the money for the ticket.
	What's the problem?
	They won't give me an Esther again.
	I can't even change flight in the States at the minute.
	But the good old Colombians will let me change your Bogota.
	Yeah, you be careful in Bogota.
	I like Bogota.
	Of course you do.
	So you're coming.
	Just get it sorted out.
	Just buy the ticket.
	Don't complicate it and don't do anything weird.
	Because I spoke to my wife and she said he's she said Joe has turned the simple business of acquiring a ticket to El Salvador in a situation and she used this phrase, he's in cahoots with an Indian.
	Now, I don't know what that even means.
	Why are you in cahoots with an Indian?
	They sold me a ticket that wasn't available, right?
	Then he's telling me, but now we've had a cancellation.
	So for an extra 200 quid, you can have that seat.
	I said, why don't you give me the one that you sold me?
	Oh, well, it wasn't there and we shouldn't have even had it on the website.
	I said, well, that's your fault, isn't it?
	Let me have that one at the price.
	It's his funny.
	It's his favorite thing.
	I think I've never talked to anybody to buy a ticket before like that.
	Like that's on a phone?
	No online?
	I bought it online.
	Then they emailed me this morning saying, please call us urgently.
	Right.
	Then he's trying to flog me a ticket where I'd have to change in the States and he didn't understand the concept of not being allowed an Esther.
	What kind of website did you buy this from?
	El Salvadorflight.com for people who have slash for people who have a hard time traveling to different countries.com.
	There's a lot of questions.
	Dave's got what was yours, Dave?
	Yeah, did you pay in crypto?
	No, should have done.
	I'd have taken it straight.
	I told him I wanted a refund and he said, we'll issue you a refund, but you'll have it in five days.
	I said, well, how does that work?
	You've sold me something you haven't even got.
	And now you're telling me I'm going to have my money back next week.
	I wasn't just taking the completely space.
	It's ready to fight.
	Very angry.
	Yeah.
	Do you remember when we was arguing with that farmer, Joe?
	Oh, Wilmer.
	In Costa Rica.
	I remember that guy.
	No, after that farmer buy my house that you was arguing with.
	Oh, you remember Wilma's name?
	Wilma.
	Yeah, I remember that farmer as well.
	Yeah, we nearly had a straightener for driving through his fields.
	Don't fight, no more farmers.
	No more fighting.
	Now, listen, what we've got to do is we've got to get you to El Salvador because I need you there for that Bitcoin conference.
	I'm interviewing Bukay, the president of that whole country.
	He's the first.
	Was it you that said it, Dave, like the first millennial president of a country?
	He's the first person who's got the vibe of a tech entrepreneur that's in charge of a country.
	And he's doing all sorts of stuff that's pretty, well, is this true?
	Is this Massey's a sort of post-structuralist?
	It'll pull this apart.
	Like, what I think is, is that there's not been a leader like that before, someone that's a different strain of populism.
	Or could you argue that with banging people up in jail, left, right, and center, big 50,000 person Nicks, that he's actually just an old school authoritarian?
	What do you think?
	Yeah, I reckon it's like a bit of both, isn't it?
	He's got all the, well, he's made Bitcoin the reserve currency of his country.
	So he's the first country to do that.
	But at the same time, he's law and order.
	Let's lock everyone up.
	It's like, yeah, well, I just had a tattoo.
	I'm not in a gang.
	It doesn't matter getting the slammer.
	So I think he's a bit of both.
	I think politicians are always going to be the same as you go forward, except they're going to have little flavors of new things.
	This guy might be on TikTok.
	Trump was on Twitter.
	This guy's got Bitcoin as his reserve currency.
	It's all the same at the end of the day, though, isn't it?
	Do as I say.
	I've got the guns.
	What do you think, Dave?
	I think he locked up 1% of the population, I believe.
	1% of the population.
	I mean, it was the ⁇ wasn't El Salvador like the most dangerous, at least the most dangerous Latin American company in a country, I believe.
	But what I like about him is I think he's young.
	He's like 43, I think.
	I think he's in the, because they count millennials from like 1980, typically, 1980 or above.
	And 1980 is the cutout.
	But he's got that disruptor mentality where he's coming in and going, okay, this system doesn't work.
	I'm not going to, I'm going to try and come in and like reinvent.
	Like, let's figure this out.
	Well, we're interviewing him and the interview will be this show one of the days, won't it, Jake?
	If we want it to be, we could do whatever we want.
	I think we should do that.
	And then I'm going to ask him these questions directly.
	Look, I worry when I wear this hat, two things.
	I've said before, is it Otto from The Simpsons?
	Or my wife said when Edward Scissorans does that robbery, like she thinks I look like when Edward Scissorands does a robbery.
	In fact, he didn't even do the robbery.
	He was set up by that other bastard.
	But do I look like that?
	Or is someone going to say, you look cool, Russell?
	You look cool.
	I like that you're wearing hats because you never used to wear hats and you were worried about how the hats looked.
	And now it looks so natural that I wouldn't have even thought about it.
	Thank you.
	Now, my next gripe is that Jake's shot is nicer than mine.
	Tell me, you lot, do you like, you've got that American flag behind him?
	He looks like General Patton.
	He's got that nice light up coming under his face.
	What do you think?
	Let me just add some of that.
	I was in Dave's shot and you thought that was a better shot.
	I'm scoring today.
	Yeah.
	It's mad.
	I think it's Jake.
	Jake's very handsome.
	Maybe I'm too insecure to have handsome.
	Hey, you need to show everybody you're a barkster.
	Oh, that's you.
	Look at these sweet babies.
	And look, what people won't know, perhaps.
	He's like, what the f- Dave, what is this?
	This doesn't feel like a prop.
	We're sure it's not loaded?
	Yeah, I'll just keep it upward because I'm not.
	What's that?
	Dave!
	That's a clip.
	Is this safe for me to do this?
	Before I answer, remember I am an idiot.
	Couldn't do that in England.
	No, you couldn't do that in England.
	I tell you, you can see why people like guns because it's just absolutely gorgeous, isn't it?
	That's cool.
	Yeah, well, I'm just again a little bit sick and tired of the old government telling me what to do and the media lying about me.
	Enough's enough, fellas.
	Now that makes sense.
	What is this firearm?
	It's a short barrel rifle.
	It's got a suppressor on it, elevated silence, suppressor.
	Don't look in the barrel.
	Hello.
	You never.
	Check your rules, Russell.
	Never point a gun at anyone.
	That's so harm's way.
	Guns always loaded.
	Thank you.
	I was pretty happy with it.
	All right, then.
	We're talking about, as we clearly are, the endless potential and necessity for revolution.
	It's bonfire night in the UK.
	You stinking lousy Americans who abandoned us after everything we've done for you.
	Firstly, Jamestown.
	Secondly, we planted that tobacco.
	Thirdly, Plymouth Rock.
	We didn't land on Plymouth Rock.
	Actually, we did.
	I have a theory.
	Go on.
	I was watching these old clips, you know, on our unpacked series.
	We're doing a lot more historical references, pulling back for some old clips.
	I think what's hurt the UK is that the microphone technology has gotten better.
	The cameras have gotten better.
	Because every time you look at black and white and it's like, you know, kind of distorted microphone, they sound way cooler.
	Like when the Queen's doing an address and it's like, hello, my subjects.
	Or like the clip we just watched.
	Enoch Powell.
	Yeah.
	That sounded cool.
	But if he would have been an HD in a microphone, he would have been like, come my pants off.
	It's like Kier Starmer.
	He needs to go to black and white.
	He needs to get one of those microphones that have like the, you know, the big, I don't know.
	Yeah, like those BBC ones are like that.
	It's like a load of bread.
	It's a pressing the nation.
	Kirstarber here, they're this.
	You slot.
	I've had a dates test to spawn it and deserve a bit of bleeding respect, don't I?
	A couple of red boys just set fire to me perishing car for some reason.
	Don't know what it was to do with it.
	Right.
	We're a country out of time.
	Well, what it look, firstly, that was insulting, what you said.
	Secondly, bonfire night is a period of great revolutionary fervor in the UK.
	And Massey has some good points about this that I'm going to steal as my own.
	Bonfire night is initially like a celebration of the execution of some rebels that were going to blow up the houses of parliament.
	Everyone knows that.
	But in the 80s and 90s, bonfires were a big local communal event.
	People would go down to the local wreck or football ground.
	And as Massey pointed out, it sounded like someone talking about 100 years ago, even though I kind of actually remember it myself.
	They would set up a bonfire and it would be there for like a month, people adding stuff to it and growing a bonfire like on the wreck or on the village screen.
	Now they don't do that no more because health and safety is all over everything.
	So bonfire night, even though it's been customarily a celebration of, well, Protestant government power over Catholic rebels, but also the idea of rebellion.
	Like we burn literal effigies, like a penny for the guy.
	Little kids would make a guy.
	Oh my God, this is weird.
	It sounds like made up.
	Little kids would make a guy, like and sort of stuff it and maybe put a mask on it and push it around in a wheelbarrow going, penny for the guy, mister.
	Penny for the guy.
	I mean, I've done that in my life.
	Penny for the guy, mister.
	Why, Dave?
	Don't you have penny fire?
	I have no idea what you're talking about.
	What the heck are you talking about?
	They would make a guy.
	Yeah, we make a guy.
	Penny for the guy, mister.
	Penny for the guy.
	You make a guy.
	Guy Fawkes, you know, he is the effigy.
	Guy Fawkes.
	Oh, yeah, I've not mentioned Guy Fawkes.
	No.
	Explain who explain what the gunpowder treason plot, and then we'll get to Penny for the guy.
	Narrative disjunct.
	All right, okay.
	Go back to black and white.
	Remember, all right, shut up, you fucking cunts.
	Remember, remember the 5th of November.
	Gunpowder, treason, and plot.
	I see no reason why gunpowder treason should ever be forgot.
	Guy Fawkes weren't even really the main leader.
	He was just the schmo that got busted down underneath the sewers of Parliament, where 13 men, Catholics, have decided they were going to blow up King James on the opening of Parliament.
	They had barrels of gunpowder down there.
	And at the prearranged time, they were going to blow up Parliament and bring about a Catholic revolution.
	One of the geezers, his mate, was in Parliament, and he goes, I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to write a letter to my friend letting him know not to come to work that day.
	A la 9-11.
	And like, so that geezer grassed them up and like went, oh, there's a plot going on down in the basement.
	So they got nicked while they were down there.
	The police all arrived, the rest of them.
	Guy Fawkes was hung, drawn, and quartered, all chopped up, and then burned.
	And every year, ever since then, we celebrate that event by burning effigies of Guy Fawkes.
	Penny for the guy.
	You're right, Massey.
	There was a lot of exposition.
	I was much too early.
	I was much too early.
	The guy, like, give it to me.
	Penny for the guy, mister.
	No, the guy is the thing that you've made.
	You're a little boy.
	You're a little boy.
	You've made a guy.
	Penny for the guy, mister.
	You would have said you guys have.
	No, no, Guy Richie.
	You guys have Halloween.
	That's a really big thing in the States.
	In England, Halloween isn't really that big a thing.
	For us, it's bonfire.
	Yeah, well, it is these days, but it was traditionally been bonfire night.
	Bonfire night is 5th of November.
	I knew it growing up because that's when we'd see fireworks.
	Now, you guys obviously have July 4th.
	I don't know the reason why you have fireworks on July 4th, but for us, it's signifying what would have happened if the houses of parliament would have gone up.
	But as well as the fireworks, we have a local bonfire on the field just around the corner from your house where people throw all beds, pieces of wood that they've got, and they'd burn an effigy that children have made.
	A dummy of Guy Fawkes.
	It sounds so pagan and weird.
	Did you want to want Parliament to burn?
	I did want Parliament to burn.
	Yeah.
	I'm like it's out now.
	He doesn't mean that.
	Russell Brand banned from England for wanting Parliament.
	Burn it down.
	Burn it right down.
	It's the only way they'll fucking learn.
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	But like, okay, so let's look.
	We've got some things here.
	This is a Guy Fawkes effigy.
	That's look, so you understand it.
	That's a very good one.
	That's like from a movie, I would suggest.
	Yeah, like a witch hunt.
	Yeah, like that can witch.
	And there's poor Guy Fawkes.
	Here's more of a like, that's little kids doing it.
	Penny for the guy.
	They stop.
	Penny for the guy.
	See those little urchins?
	Look at them, little darlings, little British kids.
	Lovely.
	Now, note the mask.
	Do you see that?
	That mask is familiar.
	You see that?
	Because in the movie Viva Vendetta, that famous mask, the anonymous mask, is the face of Guy Fawkes.
	Wow.
	Because why?
	Because Guy Fawkes is the anti-establishment rebel.
	That's what Viva Vendetta is.
	Right?
	I'm into it now.
	Now, look at this.
	It's cool, isn't it?
	Told you.
	Now, look at that.
	That's a traditional British bonfire night.
	Look at the sparks.
	Look at the joy.
	There's none of the mad pageantry and patriotism of the 5th of July.
	Let it, 4th of July, sorry.
	Let it go, guys.
	Let it go.
	We were doing a good job of running that colony.
	And do you know that one year when I got into one of my earlier scandals when I got in trouble in the UK?
	You know, I'm always in trouble in the UK.
	I have been whole time for the famous.
	It never stops.
	This was one time they burned effigies.
	Look at that.
	They burned effigy.
	And I'm not even the bigger effigy.
	Like, that was me and Jonathan Ross being set fire to.
	In Kent, they used to like burn a baddie.
	When David Beckham, one time, got sent off during a World Cup quarterfinal against Argentina for a foul on Diego Simeone.
	He, um, there were effigies of him hung and burned.
	There's a weird pagan undercurrent in the UK, and there a weird pagan undercurrent.
	So Massey offered up that the reason that you know that this tradition has died out is health and safety.
	Even though it's an odd celebration of you know, killing rebels, really, it'd be like burning Martin Luther King or something.
	Like it's a, it's uh, it's, it's died out now because of a kind of like a health and safety prohibitions and restrictions, is the assumption.
	Go on, Massey.
	The problem I've found is that like when we moved to where we live in Birkenhead, it was around the beginning of November, and we met everybody in the community at the bonfire for bonfire night.
	That kind of disappeared early 2000s.
	There'd be bonfires everywhere in England.
	You'd drive around and you'd see fireworks in the sky and then every field it felt like had a bonfire.
	I'm sure Russell and Joe can remember this stuff.
	Whereas nowadays you don't have that and it's just another thing of community that's gone.
	Weird as it is that we're burning an effigy, really it's about us all getting together and burning an old bed that I've got and standing around and talking to each other.
	And I was just thinking that initially it was there to celebrate the fact that they'd saved government.
	Whereas now I think bonfires being around is a threat to government because the more community you have, the less likely you are to say, hey, you should put your mask on, you know, support the NHS and all that kind of stuff.
	So sorry, Joe, go ahead.
	Yeah.
	Now I was going to say, you say that, right?
	Have you ever been to Lewis Fireworks?
	Lewis in East Sussex.
	Right?
	They do it big there.
	They're right into it.
	It's like their biggest time a year, the fireworks night.
	They burn effigies of everything.
	They even had a massive one of the Pope going up in flames.
	The successor of Peter up in flames.
	It was demonic.
	It was horrible.
	And they're all loving it.
	So is that a police for that one?
	Is that a like a because there's two types of bonfires?
	You get one at like Trammear Rover's a very terrible football team in England, football ground, which is an organized one you buy tickets for.
	But the ones I'm talking about, which have disappeared, are the local ones that you have.
	Hey, I've got some wood.
	There's a field.
	I'm making a bonfire.
	That's how everyone got rid of their crap and they kept community going.
	And those have completely disappeared.
	Like completely disappeared.
	And Russell's got an asset there of a reminder that went out on Facebook recently where they're basically saying don't use bonfires as an excuse for fly tipping, essentially.
	Yeah, zero tolerance on illegal dumping being masked as bonfires.
	They're basically unsanctioned celebrations of government savior.
	It's really weird.
	They'll use any reason really to stop us from being together and having community, I think.
	And bonfires were the one time of the year when you'd do that.
	Arson used to be a little bit of fun.
	I like, who here has ever started a fire when he was a kid and it maybe got a bit out of hand?
	Dave?
	Yeah, hold on.
	I did like the allotment.
	I'll start one down the allotments.
	That got out of hand down the allotments.
	You've got to be careful down there allotments.
	That's like sometimes houses would be built.
	And because if you didn't have enough garden to grow food, you'd get out get an allotment so you could grow vegetables in it.
	Well, that's a very good place to start your fires.
	And that's where, like, I started a fire once that got a bit out of hand.
	Dave, you were a Wayward heroin addict.
	Did you start any unnecessary fires?
	Before we get to Joe, who inevitably will tell us a story, probably we won't be able to broadcast.
	My life was a dumpster fire.
	Yeah, I lit fires all the time and making little explosives and all sorts of stuff.
	Loved that, did you?
	When I was a kid, I got a hold of the anarchist cookbook.
	Do you ever remember that?
	Is that like Molotov and all that?
	Molotov cocktails.
	It's all that.
	And I just went through it chapter by chapter.
	First bit of reading there, I remember.
	Do you know what?
	Because it's part of our freedom, isn't it?
	It's the first sort of, you know, Prometheus' gift to us is fire.
	That's when we rob the gods and start to, in mythology, claim some power back from the gods.
	It's like a holy power.
	Even the other night when we were at my kid's birthday, there was a bit towards the end where we stood around a fire and that bit had a different atmosphere.
	And I started to tell stories and started to think that, you know, at the center could be a mutually warming resource rather than a little screen putting out sanctioned pre-tued government information.
	What was you saying, Joe?
	You must have started some terrible fires, did you?
	Yeah, we used to, when I was a kid at school and that, we used to get the Friday ads.
	You remember the Friday ad?
	It's like free paper.
	So we always go and get loads of them and that would be like the material for the fire wherever we wanted to set it.
	I remember the worst one we done was after school.
	We used to get the train to school, right?
	And across from the station, I ain't going to say where, there was like these bushes, like a little homeless community thing in this bush.
	It's terrible, but there was no one there on this particular day except for a big double mattress.
	That went right up in flames.
	It got a little bit out of hand.
	I think a fire engine did come and put it out.
	It's still burning today.
	When I got a bit older, I thought about that.
	Like for a homeless guy, that was like a nice bed.
	When I was a kid, there was these Q80 oil fields, like Joe's stories.
	It's going to be like the Exxon spillage in what was then the Gulf of Mexico.
	Oh, that's amazing there.
	That's what Bonfire Night was.
	It's initially a celebration of, you know, government, the thwarting of a plot to bring down government, but in the end became an emblem of community.
	And the globalists will not allow you community.
	They can't just tell you up front.
	You're not allowed community.
	So for your health and safety, get in your house, maintain six-foot distance, put on the mask, take the shot, put that fire out.
	They'll use your safety to legitimise endless bureaucracy.
	It's not a coincidence that in the screw tape letters, C.S. Lewis depicts demons as members of a vast bureaucracy.
	That's what I think, baby.
	I think that's why you like that haunted car wash so much because there was no safety.
	You can run over a kid's foot.
	You can run over a kid's father.
	I'm going to tell you something right now.
	Jake's telling you about, they have here.
	I went there with firstly with Dave and then I had to bring other people back to check I didn't dream it.
	A haunted car wash, right?
	We all know that a car wash is fun, isn't it?
	A car wash, like when you go to a car washer and your kid, it's brilliant, isn't it?
	Oh, car wash!
	I still feel joyous about them times out with like Ron Brand getting into a car wash.
	I don't know why.
	It's nice.
	It's like a big monster, like a Sesame Street character coming up to, oh, coming and looming on Mr. Snuffleuphagus, rubbing his butt against the screen.
	Well, in America, in Florida in particular, at Otto's car wash, and it ain't even at all Otto's car wash, just one on the 98.
	They've done a haunted car wash.
	Now, me and my wife took our kids, including my young son, who's had art condition, to this, to Otto's car wash.
	But it's not like gothic horror, like spiders' webs and witches.
	It was all like leather face and light.
	Someone got in our car with a fucking chainsaw, Joe.
	My little boy was like, ah!
	I had to get out.
	There's no rules.
	You're not on a track or anything before you get to the car wash.
	I mean, you're driving for a while and it's just like people jumping out, like hiding from, rolling from underneath your car.
	I mean, it's the craziest thing.
	And they're teenagers as well.
	So like they're teenagers, Massey.
	So like, like, think about masks.
	Masks are very powerful things.
	Like, if you put it, that's why that pandemic was fascinating, actually.
	Like, think of an eyes wide shut scenario where people put on masks and they're absolved of personal responsibility and identity.
	In a one way of collapsing your identity is like Moses laying face down before the Lord because his own individual identity is unnecessary if all he's going to be is an emanuensis and scribe for the holy power.
	The other type of anonymity is when you're going to go fully into your identity and self-worship.
	That's what all them filthy sex parties about, all them pervs that are running in our various countries.
	They get a mask on, they get a robe on, start worshiping Moloch and banging a kid or whatever.
	Now down that Otto's car wash, like where they're all wearing masks, they've given them too much power.
	You could see that some of them kids, they're just volunteers.
	They're not workers for Otto's car wash.
	They're just like some kid like that with a mad, mad rabbit mask on with all stitching and blood all over it.
	And then my wife was going, that one dressed as a rabbit had a real spring in his step.
	Like they were sort of skipping about.
	It's just like they were using it as an opportunity to let out all of what I think is intense sexual frustration and energy.
	And then you start thinking about what Halloween is.
	Obviously, for our beloved Joe's a Catholic there, so it's all like about the time where the saints are being assessed and you can pray for people that are trapped in purgatory.
	And more broadly in a Christian tradition, it's Reformation Day when Martin Luther bangs the thing up on the door and says, listen, this stuff's got out of hand.
	Stop spending so much fucking money on candlesticks and getting people to pray their way out of sin.
	Start focusing on our Lord's holy message.
	God bless you, Father.
	And then, and then, also, though, obviously, Halloween is like the, I think even the Jack-O'Lantern is like, it's a thing that is occupied.
	There's a spirit within the thing.
	And you've carved it macabre and made it unusual.
	There is a haunting inside reality.
	What are you saying, really, when you celebrate Halloween, if it's from a secular festive perspective or from a deep Christian perspective, is that the ultimate reality is not the sensory reality.
	There is a secondary reality that we're all interfacing with and we're all aware of.
	And it can be divine love, but it can also be demonic and dark.
	The thing is, is like, after I come out watching all them fuckers dancing around with chainsaws, scaring my kids, because I had to go next door to a Mexican bodega and just hang out because my little boy was too frightened.
	Anyway, like, like, I saw like a sheriff, deputy sheriff Geezer, like standing there, because there's old Bill there, because I think he's on the edge of going nuts.
	Like, someone's going to get shot there.
	Anyway, America, they can't fucking do a normal school day without if I'm getting banged up.
	How they can have a haunted car wash is that ridiculous.
	Anyway, like, so, um, so, like, so when I saw that sheriff guy afterwards, like an old deputy sheriff, like when I was going back to see if like this lot finished, because you know, they were still in the car wash.
	My wife screaming her head off, apparently.
	Like, um, when I spoke to him, he was like, What are you doing?
	You're looking for the car wash, like that.
	I was like, I was like, scared of him.
	Everything sort of seems, everything's scary, because isn't that the basis of all horror?
	Like, say, for example, the horror film Rosemary's Baby, the Polanski movie.
	Would you really know if your spouse was in league with the devil?
	That's the question.
	You don't understand reality.
	There's a deeper reality and you can feel its icy fingers on you.
	I like how you said something to the effect of that's really what horror is, it's taking something normal and then twisting it a little bit.
	And it's that little twist that's the real scare.
	I wish we recorded when we first pulled up you and Laura's reaction to it because you and Laura were both like, whoa, hold on.
	This is uncontrolled.
	This is like, and you're trying to explain to me that this would not happen in England.
	Like you could not have something like that.
	Because it's not like, think of Disney World, right?
	Disney World is sanitized carnival.
	They realize that carnival is dangerous.
	They're migratory, itinerant people that like they might come to town.
	That's why there's always rumors and prejudice around, I'm assuming carnies, but certainly gypsies and travelers.
	Oh, they're going to rip you off.
	They'll steal your baby because they're not settlers.
	When society first settled, there was still nomadic people and they would be troubadours or shamanic people that would come and like you have to prejudice against them fuckers.
	Otherwise, everyone might go, why do we have to pay tax?
	Why do we have to obey laws?
	We can just wander around with these nomads.
	Well, like, you know, like Walt Disney is, you know, he's a control freak, obviously.
	You can control reality in 2D through magnificent animation, but can you control reality in 3D through theme parks?
	You can sanitize reality.
	You can remove freed.
	Can you have fun without fear?
	What is fun?
	What is joy?
	What is risk?
	What is ecstasy?
	What are these human conditions that are being sort of sanitized and exercised and eliminated from our human experience?
	Well, they're not being eliminated at all.
	They're more than a fucking forefront.
	It's like driving and you hope, like, I guess that guy cleared out of the way of the car.
	I mean, that's how it was because somebody would hop up in the back, open up the back of the car, kids would fall out of the back, and then the cars would go forward in the line.
	And you're like, hope it didn't run over anybody's foot.
	The best part is when they would come out a character and be like a really scary person and they'd be like, oh, is that Russell Brand?
	And they, I love bedtime stories.
	Like the most random reference and they're just having a conversation all just ghoul on their face.
	We went back to film it to promote this Jeep we're giving away.
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	Right.
	We went back to film it.
	I was like, this is crazy.
	I'm going to come back here with adult men, not with my vulnerable children.
	So I come back with like Dave and Jake and we start filming it.
	But let me tell you this, this is profound, I think.
	When we went back and we had a light in the car and we were filming, it was almost like the double slit experiment.
	Under observation, Otto's car wash couldn't do it no more.
	It couldn't do it.
	Once we were filming them, they sort of like were self-conscious.
	They couldn't be like all right, all their weirdness.
	And also, like my kids the second time, the kids the first time around, they were screaming like, ah, it was like mental.
	I think that Herbie, my son, was reacting to the screams of everyone in the car.
	And if everyone had just been chilled, he'd have been okay.
	I think he'd have been okay on the second one.
	So the second one, there was a bit where I got out of the car and then I was like, oh man, this ain't good.
	Now I'm part of the horror.
	like no i don't want this like not with these allegations hanging over me that i'm like one of i'm like so yeah it was so weird I know that, like, I know that there's more to the conclusions or not conclusions, questions derived from the double slit experiment.
	This seemed to say that under observation, the smallest inverted commas observable components of material reality behave differently, whether waves or particular.
	They collapse and alter depending on whether or not they're being measured and observed.
	And people do like misuse that information in a thousand different ways.
	But what it ultimately can be said to demonstrate is that reality is not what we think it is.
	It's not what Einstein thinks it is.
	It's not what Newton said it was.
	It's something different.
	And it appears to involve consciousness in some way in ways that are difficult to understand.
	And I would say, like, it's kind of an Isaiah, my ways are not your ways.
	When you get down to the brass tax, consciousness is the primary material of reality and all else came from consciousness, i.e., an intelligent designer, creator who from the abyss and vortex created distinction, separation, delineation, and taxonomy.
	God is real.
	And we can't really ever get our heads around that because now the state's trying to replace God.
	And because you can't ever prove something that's beyond sensory reality, you can just touch like that woman with our Lord.
	You can just touch the edge of the garment.
	If you touch the edge of the garment in faith, you will be healed.
	But if you try to sort of pull apart the threads of it, then I don't know what the results of that will be because we're now at the edge of my understanding of reality.
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	Hey, so who's like, who do you think we should do?
	Like, let's decide as a group, DoorDash.
	Oh, no, no, should we do Massey's thing about tips?
	And like, well, I mean, Joe's going to prove that God exists in a minute.
	We should probably take, we should probably take advantage of that opportunity.
	But what do you want to say?
	What do you want to say about that?
	What do you want to say about tipping, Massey?
	I've been interested in tipping ever since I got to North America.
	And I just think it's bullshit the way it's done here.
	And I wanted to have that discussion.
	But I think nobody puts it better.
	Well, okay, in England, you go to a shop or something and it has the price and that's what you pay.
	And the same thing goes in restaurants.
	Whereas out here, you have the price and then you need to do some maths to work out what the tax is and add that on top.
	I guess because Americans want you to remember that you've got to pay tax to the government because they're against that stuff more than the British are.
	So with British, we just include it all in the tax in there, right?
	So I kind of like that.
	So I have to work out the tax and then I have to have some weird dance with the waiter where it's like, well, he's not getting paid for carrying the food to me by his boss.
	It's up to you to pay his wages and have to think about a but basically a huge flow chart comes out.
	Am I in McDonald's?
	Yes.
	Well, am I sitting down?
	Well, you still don't tip in McDonald's.
	But if you're sitting in a cafe and they brought the food over, you have to tip.
	It just feels like a load of nonsense.
	And for a Brit that comes over here and you try to just buy a coffee or something, and then they're angry at you because they have got this weird thing with tipping.
	It's like, hey, if there's a problem, call the police.
	If you're not going to call the police, then I'm out of here.
	Anyway, Steve Buscemi does it a lot better than I do in Reservoir Dogs, and it's probably a good time to play that clip before getting into the debate.
	What do you think?
	Let me just get this straight.
	You don't have a tip, huh?
	I don't tip because society says I have to.
	All right, I mean, I'll tip if somebody really deserves a tip.
	If they really put forth the effort, I'll give them something extra.
	But I mean, it's tipping automatically.
	It's for the birds.
	I mean, as far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job.
	Jesus Christ, I mean, these ladies aren't starving to death.
	They make minimum wage.
	You know, I used to work minimum wage, and when I did, I wasn't lucky enough to have a job that society deemed tip worthy.
	You don't care?
	They're counting on your tips to live.
	You know what this is?
	It's the world's smallest violin playing just for the waitresses.
	You don't have any idea what you're talking about.
	These people bust their ass.
	This is a hard job.
	So I was working at McDonald's, but you don't feel the need to tip them, do you?
	Well, why not?
	They're serving you food.
	But no, society says, don't tip these guys over here, but tip these guys over here.
	That's bullshit.
	Wait craziness is the number one occupation for female non-college graduates in this country.
	It's the one job basically any woman can get and make a living on.
	The reason is because of their tips.
	Fuck all that.
	Jesus Christ.
	I mean, I'm very sorry the government taxes their tips.
	That's fucked up.
	That ain't my fault.
	I mean, it would appear that waitresses are one of the many groups the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis.
	I mean, if you show me a piece of paper that says the government shouldn't do that, I'll sign it.
	Put it to a vote, I'll vote for it.
	But what I won't do is play ball.
	And it's not college bullshit you're giving me.
	I got two words for that.
	I learned to fucking type.
	Because if you're expecting me to help out with the run, you're in for a big fucking surprise.
	But like, what about I don't like automated tips now because now you're not even involved in an interpersonal connection with another human being.
	It just comes up on that screen.
	Tip five.
	In some shops, they're kind enough to say five, seven, or ten or something.
	In others, it's like 18, 25.
	But I tipped someone yesterday $54 for takeout food.
	Well, you don't realize that it's saying additional tip.
	And it's additional.
	Because when I would say, like, I'd press 5%, I'm going, I want to give them 20%.
	I don't want to give them 5%.
	So then you end up giving them 20, but then you realize that was an additional tip.
	They added 18 or whatever you already did.
	Check this.
	There's a coffee shop that I go to, and it's a good coffee shop, Causeway Coffee.
	I like it.
	You have to, first of all, when you press that little thing to enter your, you know, you have to go, do you want to give some money to this thing they do, some mission where they're helping people?
	Then you have to go whether or not you're tipping the person.
	And all you've done is like bought a coffee.
	You're like, you're involved in a like quite a strong contractual and bureaucratic relationship.
	I suppose what it feels like is everything's being automated to the point where we're just like little sort of larvae moving between transactions with barely any autonomy.
	And you're right, it ain't about meanness.
	It's about like that everything is getting sort of legislated that you're personal fruit.
	Like, how can you pay people for a personal connection when everything has become so impersonal?
	I just want to bring up this DoorDash thing.
	What was orders with no tip might take longer to get delivered?
	Are you sure you want it?
	Whoa, so they're sort of mandating it.
	Did you put that in, Massey?
	Yeah, so there's a difference here because Americans will say it's to get it's for your service, right?
	And that's what it is in England.
	If you think you've got good service, then you can give some extra money if you like.
	But in your coffee shop example, they're asking you for the money before the service.
	So, and you're then thinking it's to ensure having good service.
	So it's no longer a tip.
	It's now a bribe, right?
	Because if I don't give them the money, all of a sudden, who knows what's going to happen?
	Maybe I won't get my cop.
	It's a shakedown.
	And DoorDash have done the same thing there because they're admitting in the app, if you don't give a tip, which is actually a bribe, then you might get the food late.
	And there's loads of companies that have done this.
	Those apps will literally guilt you into paying their employees.
	It's crazy.
	How dare they try to evoke guilt when they've made everything so absolutely impersonal?
	And again, because those are like zero contract workers that are being exploited.
	And the company, in order to maximise their profits, are passing on that obligation as well to the consumer.
	It makes me feel like, I talk about it sometimes in terms of prison and other times in terms of slavery.
	That while the culture likes to tell you that it's progressive and becoming more and more enlightened, all it really is doing is masking tyrannical and controlling impulses in any way it can.
	If they could, they just bang us all in cells.
	You only have as much freedom as they need you to have in order to consume is how I feel about it.
	And that is why I need God.
	But first, before we get into Joe's Thomas Aquinas thing, let's just have a look at this server having a meltdown over not getting a tip.
	I'm not seeing this.
	Sat there two hours, ordered half the menu, and you walk out leaving nothing?
	Not a dime?
	No, don't manage me.
	I'm busting my ass for you all night.
	You think we're paid for free refuge?
	There's a line on the receipt.
	Wow, yeah.
	I suppose what do you see that as kind of like entitlement or something?
	Yeah, I just think that the relationship is very strange, that you're pitting the server against the customer.
	And it's just a very unusual thing everywhere other than North America.
	When I was doing research on tipping, I found out that tipping actually started as a practice as a way of paying freed slaves.
	So they weren't actually paid by the employer.
	They were paid.
	You can work now for the gratuity of the people you're serving because no one wants to serve people food, do they?
	No one's like, well, my dream is maybe cooking food, but no one's like, I want to hand the food to somebody.
	Whereas we have this thing in America, I think the hang, I think tipping is the hangover from slavery.
	I think that's what it is, both literally and figuratively, because if you are eating food and someone is serving you, you're engaging in like a slave master mentality.
	No one wants to be doing that.
	And Americans are so hung up on slavery, they're like, here's some money to prove it's not slavery.
	And they're importing it to England.
	It's doing my head.
	Joe, have you seen it in England anywhere?
	I like that.
	It's good.
	Good analysis.
	Really funny.
	I don't know.
	How would you do it differently?
	I mean, like, I think with DoorDash example, if you don't take the tip first, right?
	Then these people rush your food to you.
	And then if the person's a jerk, then they leave you almost nothing.
	And you're like, you rush really hard to get there.
	I think some of it may also be they're trying to ensure a good service for their customers.
	So that way, if you tip first, they know that they're going to get that money.
	Over time, there's such an inclination towards profiteering that every single decision is extracting the maximum amount of revenue out of every single transaction until you feel like you're being wrung out, to there's no regard for your humanity, to there's no idea that people might make exchanges other than transactional and fiscal ones, that we're actually participating in a deep unity with God and with the divine.
	Everything is becoming materialized.
	I think this is what happens when rationalism reaches the point that we accept and assume that if it can't be measured, it's not real.
	If you can't see it, it isn't there.
	That the only things that matter are observable and able to be iterated through finance.
	And we'll leave that subject there.
	Let me know what you think, though, in the comments and chat.
	Now, to take us out is beloved Joe McCann with his humble assertion that you can prove the reality of God.
	Actually, though, using the theology of Thomas Aquinas.
	Why did you want us to watch this, Joe?
	I know you think about Thomas Aquinas a lot.
	Tell us a bit about Thomas Aquinas firstly, who he is and then what he said.
	I'll tell you a little bit about him first.
	So Aquinas was a Dominican friar, right?
	So he was around the year 1200.
	And around this time is when Aristotle's writing was translated from Greek into Latin.
	So the church saw this as a huge threat because he was all about reason, right?
	And observing nature and all that.
	And this happened because that happened and that happened because this happened, all that sort of stuff.
	And like what sums it up is a good quote from Aquinas, right?
	And what he said was, to one who has faith, no explanation is necessary.
	To one without faith, no explanation is possible.
	So through his arguments, he proves that faith and reason will always come together in the end because there's only one truth, right?
	So he explains it in five arguments.
	And I can go through them if you like, one at a time.
	So the first one being motion.
	Everything has a motion, right?
	So motion must have been set in motion by something else.
	So the original mover, he calls God.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah.
	Kind of.
	Now, the second argument, it sounds on the surface very similar to the first one.
	It's causation, right?
	So every effect has a cause.
	Trace it back.
	Sorry, so let me say it again.
	Trace it back and you reach a first cause.
	So as in, rather than a mover, there's a cause, a cause and effect.
	So you've got a constant change.
	Rather than movement, it's a change.
	That changed that.
	So that changed that.
	So there has to be something at the source that itself remains unchanged.
	That is what he calls God.
	That's the second argument.
	The third one, contingency.
	Because things exist, but could also not exist.
	There must be a necessary being, which itself is contingent on existence.
	Like, I like the example of this is, yeah, I could not be here.
	I could die.
	Existence still carries on.
	Massey could not be here.
	He could die.
	Existence still carries on.
	We could all die and existence still carries on.
	So there must be something which when it goes, there is nothing that he calls God.
	Right?
	I like that one.
	I think that's probably my favorite one.
	The fourth one, this one I found hard to get my head around, right?
	Is degrees of perfection, right?
	So we judge things by being better or worse.
	Okay.
	Implying an ultimate standard of goodness.
	And this is why I struggle with this.
	The example they used on this video I was, right?
	They said you've got two Dominican friars.
	They're doing a maths test, right?
	The answer, let's say, is 45.
	The first friar, he didn't know the answer.
	He had an educated guess.
	He thought, 45.
	So he's right.
	The next guy, he knows the answer.
	He proves it by long form algebra bullshit at the end.
	Bang, 45 because XYZ.
	So he is more right than the guy next to him.
	I still couldn't get my head around the ultimate right is God, but that was the idea.
	Well, I'll tell you why, because you explained it very brilliantly at the beginning, Joe, is that Thomas Aquinas enters into the dialectic at the point where the church feels under threat from the classical world and the augmentation of new arguments of reason.
	Plato had this idea of forms that we all know what a table is, but somewhere there's a supreme idea of a table from which all tables are derived.
	We all know what a house is, even like, you know, there's a house for like four windows and a door, but like a house to a mouse might be a hole in a skirting ball.
	But if you saw a little hole in the skirting ball and the Tom and Jerry idea, you still understand it's derived from the concept of house.
	But I like the example of the two Dominican friars reaching an arithmetic conclusion, one arbitrarily or at least by guesswork and one by deduction, I suppose what he's saying is that a creator God is not a set of random billiard balls in eternity bashing into one another and ultimately reaching conscious life.
	And if you are an atheist asserting that, then what you are simultaneously asserting is the faculty by which you deduce there is no God is the process of arbitrary random events.
	How then can you rely on this optimization of randomness to make any assessment?
	It itself is just an outpost of randomness and therefore it has no undergirding.
	Go, Joe.
	So that's his fifth argument, right?
	It's order and design.
	So the order on the New Aquinas.
	The order and purpose in nature suggests an intelligent designer.
	So I've had a little note here.
	Even randomness is not random.
	There's a certain predictability to randomness and the ultimate order equals God.
	The example they used here, right, is like, let's say this cigar, I hold it up, I drop it, it falls to the floor, right?
	That's gravity doing what gravity is meant to do.
	We understand the essence of gravity, the order that it's going to do what it's going to do.
	I do this 10 times.
	It's always going to fall to the floor.
	It's not like one in 10, this just hovers in the air.
	Do you know what I mean?
	Like randomly.
	And then I guess another way of looking at it, even in like sports betting, if odds are 100 to 1, you know, if you backed, backed your team 100 times, once it's going to win.
	So there's all like a predictability.
	It's not like it's just a random accident because things are in order.
	And the ultimate order that maintains that order, the essence of order is God.
	Yes.
	Even if you assert that we are a pattern within chaos, the very fact that the concept of patterns exists is in itself an indication of some initial original event.
	All five of them arguments obviously tie together and the function of those arguments is to suggest the presence of a creator.
	Joe, I think you presented that really, really beautifully well.
	And I think you've done a good service to the ideas of Aquinas there.
	Nice one, man.
	Nice one.
	I've got a good handle on that.
	It helped me to understand what Thomas Aquinas is for.
	I didn't know, in fact, that he entered into the argument at the point that the classical world was bringing forth like geniuses, like the, you know, the geniuses of the age of reason.
	And I think like reason in conjunction with divinity is the best tools we have, that we use our ability to understand patterns.
	You know, like whether like, how can you have beauty?
	How can you have music?
	How can you have arithmetic unless there is some undergirding universal reality?
	The post-structuralist indeed, Massey, the only atheist here, the post-structured, probably Massey seems to be the one that's most irked by many of the contemporary post-structuralist arguments that are used to enshrine the rights of the individual and not, you know, not just the rights of the individual, but the supremacy of identity.
	That's what identity politics is.
	The most important thing about me is my sexuality or my race or my gender.
	And of course, what they'd say is, yeah, but we have to assert it because you white males imposed your authority, made God in your own image and denied us our right to personal sovereignty.
	But what Christianity says is we are all part of a family of divinity.
	All of us matter, not because of who we are or what we've done, but because of who loves us.
	This God that has set in motion all of these events, created all of these patterns, all of this glory, all of this beauty, loves us.
	And when you make that subtle shift to like, I'm important because of who loves me, not because of what I am or what I've done, you enter into a kind of fraternal embrace with all the rest of humanity, accepting simultaneously their greatness and their fallibility and flaws.
	Whereas the individualistic, rationalistic model, I think, puts you in continual opposition with everybody else, places you as a sort of a competitor in the arena of nature.
	And I think that also that reality itself, as the double slit experiment suggests, is impacted by our faith.
	So faith isn't just like a kind of, go on, be faithful.
	It's like you are kind of fueling the glory of God through your faith.
	Your faith is bringing, is making God shine more brightly.
	So you're not even irrelevant.
	It's not saying that God needs us, although if he didn't, why would he create us?
	You know, maybe you can get into the semantics of the word need, but we are present with him.
	Fuck me, man.
	Look, I've just really emptied my head out there.
	Thanks, guys.
	Look, we've been talking for 65 minutes.
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	Has anyone got anything else they want to add?
	Or do you feel spent, you beautiful bastards?
	Bate, I fucked my lines up in that little bit there, my little Aquinas.
	No, you never.
	I wasn't going to be able to do it.
	I'm not going to be a very happy chat.
	I can't read my voice.
	You've done so well.
	Why you been arguing yourself?
	It was good.
	What do you want us to add?
	That fucking plane ticket and it's done.
	It's done.
	All right, let's look at Thomas Aquinas then.
	Since our Joe reckons his magnet.
	If Thomas Aquinas comes on here and it's nothing like what you said, Joe, I don't know what that is.
	That is, mate, you will not get a better description of his arguments than that.
	Concisely.
	We will.
	If you dug him up, he wouldn't explain it better.
	He wouldn't.
	Well, there seems no point in going to that.
	I agree.
	Jake, tell us about his, Jake.
	Welcome to Rumble Premium, you sick sons of bitches.
	What's been going on in Joe?
	I took my what?
	Right, come on, someone.

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