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Sept. 25, 2025 - Stay Free - Russel Brand
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The Truth About UK Corruption – Andrew Bridgen Speaks Out - SF640
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Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brandon trying to bring real journalism to the American people.
Hello there, you awakening wonders.
Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
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We're talking to Andrew Bridgen, who's got some pretty extraordinary insights into British politics and British media.
He was a member of parliament for a long time who began with pretty, I would say, modest, yet somewhat ambitious notions to run the small constituency, that means he's like congressional area, in accordance with his principles.
During the COVID period, he spoke out against vaccines and was abruptly and I would say succinctly cut right out of the political game.
He's got extraordinary insights into the British establishment, including it appears to me information about a former British prime minister and paedophilia that it's pretty bone-bending and I would say is a further piece of evidence that British institutions as well as American political institutions appear to have been corrupted in a manner that we all understand as being within the rubric and remit of the Epstein files.
Compromised political leaders are much much easier to control and manage, particularly if you have a centralized media that are only willing to report on subjects that are beneficial to them and are compliant when it comes to the destruction of dissident voices.
This conversation with Andrew Bridgeon is exciting.
It's at points alarming and I hope you'll stay with us for all of it.
Andrew Bridgen, thank you for joining me on Stay Free with Russell Brand.
Oh, I see.
Are you upset?
No.
We've got to talk about important things, so it was worth waiting.
Do you want to talk about sorry I was late, Andrew?
Do you want to talk?
So you want to talk about important things?
Trump's statement's important.
Go on.
Well, he's moved his political position in a relatively few weeks from the grandfather of warp speed and the vaccines saved millions of lives to his truth social statement demanding that Pfizer and Moderna produce the evidence to the public that the vaccines were safe and effective and have saved millions of lives, which they can't do.
And then yesterday's statement attacking the number of vaccines that babies are given and raising concerns about autism and Tylenol and pregnancy.
So you think that sort of in a sense, Trump, who obviously campaigned and was elected as a maverick, has gone.
Would you say then that it's important and it's significant and it's positive because it's a further exposure of things that many people have suspected since the beginning of the pandemic period that those medications were not as safe as was claimed?
Absolutely.
But also, I mean, President Trump's privy to the evidence that Robert Kennedy Jr. and his team have got.
They've evidence-based.
That's what's encouraging for me.
He knows what's coming.
And he's basically said that Robert Kennedy Jr. and his team are going to give all the details in the next few weeks.
That fits in with the time scale I've been told.
That the first thing he's going to do is expose the link between vaccines and autism.
And that's bad enough.
And then a few weeks after that, we're going to have the very bad news about the COVID jabs.
So in a sense, it's going to be a massive repositioning when it comes to the relationship between certainly the American government and big pharma, and likely, I suppose you're assuming, between the British government and big pharma.
But what's going to be challenging is that the British government haven't realigned their position with the electorate and the media.
So I suppose what they're going to have to do is somehow what undermine this messaging or just to continue to demonize Trump.
What do you think?
How do you think this is going to impact the UK, Andrew, given that that's still your constituency, if not officially anymore, since you've no longer a member of parliament?
Well, I was hoping that the tsunami of truth and justice would sweep across from the Atlantic and sweep away those who've been deceiving us for so long over here and our self-serving politicians.
But what's clear from the media over here today is that they're just going to ridicule, Cherry-pick bits of Trump's statement and RFK statement that they don't agree with and they're going to stick with the narrative because quite honestly the the whole political class in the UK and much Europe and the Anglosphere and the mainstream media this is an existential threat to their future and
just can't stand it yes it is an existential threat and as you've indicated already in this response is a kind of trans partisan issue so and also are you surprised how quickly in general people seem to have turned away from what was exposed during the covid period people don't seem
enraged engorged outraged and ready to take to the streets on the subject of covid and how the pandemic was handled but i do get the sense we even with something like the sort of you unite the kingdom patriot march which obviously we all know focused on the issue of migration i sense that some of the distrust around government and the media is is informed by how both of those institutions behave during the pandemic period so even if people are able to be distracted when
it comes to these significant revelations that you've just described in trump's announcement and the further revelations likely to come it's possible that the unrest across europe in france in the netherlands which is coming from all sorts of quarters france anti-austerity protests netherlands anti-migration protests and in the uk i suppose anti-migration protests whatever people are claiming is the locust and focus of their displeasure and angst there is a broad and
i would say trans partisan displeasure with our systems of government andrew now what fascinates me about you is you've been at the heart of these systems for a while and i i note that you were well ahead of it when it came to a lot of our u.s uh audience and community won't be aware of this but the british post office scandal where essentially a computer glitch meant that a lot of people were falsely accused of and if i think in some cases convicted of fraud and robbery and cybercrime when in fact some faulty software
was always at the heart of it and the government kind of covered it up and until a tv show was made about it no one cared and i believe that you were the first people that were active in uh bringing the complaints and laments of those people to the forefront so when you were talking about covid i paid attention because i felt like you're a person that gets on board early when there's injustice even though you were a uh when you were in government you were a conservative mp denied the whip and kicked out of parliament our congress because
of your stance primarily on covid that's right isn't it isn't it andrew is that a fair characterization of the post office stuff and the way you came to not be in the conservative party anymore absolutely and i was everything that was in the um mr bates and the post office program i'd actually said in the chamber of the house of commons it's recorded in hansard 10 years earlier and shockingly russell you know the lobby in parliament are supposedly that you know the the highest
quality journalists we have for all outlets um i'd been to all those people in 2013 2014 and said i've got all the evidence the sub postmasters are all in so biggest miscarriage of justice in uk history a thousand people at least convicted who were convicted on dodgy computer evidence um if you run this story and use this evidence you'll get you'll get an award as a journalist for this and not one of them could cover it and it was exactly the same
in 2022 2023 and 2024 with the vaccine harms and excess deaths same journalists same attitude couldn't cover it well do you think that as the evidence becomes unavoidable and unignorable they will report on it or andrew do you think as i do that we can no longer rely on these instruments of the state and by the state i mean the relationships between government and the global corporate systems that seem to me to have
more authority and power than the temp the apparently temporary political parties that are elected But we have to bypass them, both when it comes to the conveyance of information and when it comes to the creation of new systems of government.
I suppose it's a pretty big question, but based on what you learned during that scandal and based on what you've experienced and based on what you've experienced subsequently with COVID, both while a member of parliament and since being booted out of the Conservative Party for expressing your opinions about government corruption and deception during the pandemic era,
how disillusioned and disenchanted with both British media, and I suppose by definition, global media these days, and British Parliament, but also globalist political systems by definition these days.
What can you tell us about the level of corruption and hypocrisy that we don't know because we've not been where you've been on the inside of these systems?
Well, talking about the mainstream media, it's not only you and I who think we can't rely on them for the truth.
It's increasing proportion of the general public.
That's why there's a market for people producing programs, independent media like yourself and many, many others.
And it's only going to grow.
And I think the more that the mainstream media audience collapses because people realize they're not speaking the truth.
And one of the biggest, one of the biggest powers that the mainstream media or any media has is the ability to decide what is and isn't the news.
And I was shocked.
I was shocked, Russell.
You remember the first cabinet meeting of the Trump administration when Robert Kennedy Jr. stood up and said, I want to make a statement, Mr. President, that the department I am now in charge of, Health and Human Services, has been the biggest conduit of child trafficking into the United States, and I've stopped it.
And nobody reported on that in any UK media.
It was never reported at all.
Why?
I mean, well, you'll have to ask yourself, the reason is because it's happening in this country as well, and they can't talk about it.
Do you think that, I mean, well, I mean, gosh, this isn't the direction I imagined our conversation going in, because of course we've got to talk about important, you know, corroboratable concepts and policies like the government's plan to reintroduce digital, not reintroduce, but introduce for the first time digital ID, a policy that Tony Blair, among others, have been keen to implement for a long time.
But seeing as how the idea of child trafficking has come up and seeing as how this idea of sexual blackmail seems to be pretty significant and seeing how Mandelson couldn't become the ambassador to the United States because of his potential involvement and at least connection to Jeffrey Epstein, which is obviously by its nature an international story.
What are you saying about child trafficking, the British media and the British government?
Are you saying that there's some specific reason why they can't report on and address stories connected to child trafficking?
Yes, I made a mini documentary with Urban Scoop.
That's Tommy Robinson's production team while he was otherwise engaged at his manister's pleasure.
And that was documenting evidence with names of a child trafficking operation from Ukraine to the UK.
I'd offered that to the government.
It had gone to Gloucestershire Police.
I've got a specialist child trafficking unit.
It had gone to MI5, it had gone to the National Crime Agency.
No one wanted to look at it and the government wouldn't look at it either.
And when anything that nobody wants to talk about or won't even look at, that's a red flag for me.
Whether it's a sort of somewhat parochial or at least nationally confined story like the post office scandal, which we've touched on, an international global incident, issue, scandal, like the pandemic, or the more esoteric but equally peculiarly omnipresent stories such as child trafficking,
potential paedophilia, paedophile grooming gangs, and an inability and unwillingness to investigate rape gangs, sometimes on grounds of ethnicity, as with the Pakistan rape gangs in the UK, or what we appear to be sort of circling and approaching now, the idea that people in power in Britain have been sexually corrupted for a long, long while.
And in my country, the language would be around like Jimmy Savile and his close ties to people in power, including the royal family, who posthumously was revealed, even though it's bloody obvious to anyone, to be a dreadful paedophile and necrophiliac and sort of sometimes crimes even beyond imagination.
But in life, he was decorated.
That seems to be an important distinction.
People that are close to the establishment appear to be protected and celebrated.
Anyone that speaks out against the establishment are subject to a complex and brutal arsenal of weapons to discredit and destroy them.
It's happened to you.
Certainly, I feel that many of the things that happened to me in the UK have unusual connections to aspects of power that I'm really looking forward to investigate going forward.
And I wonder, how far can you go?
Given that you were right when you said about the post office staff that there was government corruption and a cover-up, when you said about the pandemic and the relationship with Moderna and Pfizer, with, I don't know, Rishi Sunak, for example, an early investor in Moderna through his hedge fund.
Are you suggesting then that within current British parliamentary circles, or at least within the aspects of institutional power around it, there's a sort of a paedophilia problem?
There's certainly a problem that people can't speak truth unto power.
They cannot speak.
In the Chamber of the House of Commons, we're always supposed to speak without fear or favor.
I was offered a bribe in January 2022 to shut up of anything I wanted in the world.
Just tell us what you want.
And I said, well, is that the game we're playing?
And they said, that's the game we're always playing.
Open Offer Rejected 00:00:59
Anything in the world?
Did you not think of a few things?
Like a boat.
I did.
I thought about something and I said, well, if that's the game we're playing, I want the Prime Minister's resignation letter.
But they said I couldn't have that.
So I said I didn't want anything else then.
If that's the game we're playing, it wasn't a truly open offer because you can't have it.
We never got down to the details because it was never something I was going to contemplate.
Well, I was speaking out about the vaccines to try and protect the lives of children.
And that was never going to be a consideration.
What I will tell you is that there are very famous politicians I went to in 2022 to ally with me to stop them vaccinating children who admitted to me they'd had two Pfizer shots, gone to the gym, felt ill, gone to hospital and been told after an ECG they'd had two heart attacks and they still would not talk out speak out.
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I've got people who came to me in parliament and said, you're absolutely right about the vaccines.
My sister's taken a Moderna shot.
She's now paralyzed from the neck down.
She's another colleague who's an MP.
And I said, well, I'm really sorry to hear that, but surely you're going to speak out now.
You know for sure.
And she said, well, my sister's a nurse and she was coerced into taking it.
And now she's paralyzed.
She's at the mercy of the NHS.
And you know what the NHS are like with whistleblowers, Andrew.
I'm not going to speak out.
And they never ever did.
I had MPs' wives come to me and say, I told him not to take them.
Now he's got heart problems.
But somehow or other, those representatives were persuaded to keep quiet about something as important as life and death and injury to children and adults.
And that's a rotten system.
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What interests me is, you know, it's always fascinating to hear details, but I'm not surprised because for a long time now, Before they threw me out of the party, I had one last meeting with the party, a representative, someone who's very famous.
I thought he was a decent guy.
And at the end of an hour and a half of listening to my concerns about the vaccines and NG163, the use of midazolam and morphine on the vulnerable elderly in 2020 and since he turned around to me at the end of an hour and a half and said, Andrew, there is currently no political appetite for your views on the vaccines.
There may be in 20 years time and you're probably going to be proven right then.
But in the meantime, you need to bear in mind you're taking on the most powerful vested interest in the world with all the personal risk for you, which that will entail should you continue.
And that's what they did.
It's been very, it's obviously really brave of you, Andrew, to put yourself in this position.
And I wonder if sort of in the interim, you feel at any point exhausted by it or scared by it or like it's you can't make a difference.
I mean, in a way, the information is all out there now.
Even though you're saying that after that Trump statement, you know, more information is going to be forthcoming.
In a way, the system seems to be able to withstand these kind of shocks, doesn't it?
Media Control Matters 00:14:24
Well, it owns the media.
It owns the media.
And I think it was Malcolm X that gave the great quote, which is the media has most power in the world because they have the power to make the innocent guilty and the guilty innocent.
And they do.
So don't you, like, on that basis, what do you think our focus should be on?
Like, when it, like, don't you feel, this is what I feel.
Instead of trying to tell people, this is what you should care about, you should care about the fact they lied to you during the pandemic.
You should care about that.
Either people care or they don't.
I think you have to find what motivates them.
And in our country at the moment, they care about migration.
And even though I personally care more that the issue of migration is plainly being used to divide people.
Absolutely.
If that's what motivates people, then that's what motivates them.
And it's always been a sort of a sad fact that people are more mobilized by local observable, smaller challenges than by the broader problems that likely facilitate and cause those more observable problems.
Say in the case of migration, who is facilitating migration that is causing these kind of social problems and to what end?
What is presumably beneficial to the kind of institutions that we're discussing now to have social unrest in the UK and across Europe, really, that's wrought by illegal and unmanaged migration.
And like I when I was say talking to Tommy Robinson on this show, I said, and generally what I say is, if people don't have power, if a group don't have that much power, how can you change the world by focusing on that group?
And, you know, migrants, if people don't want migration, I totally get it and feel like in a democracy, they should be able to decide for themselves what their position is.
But do you think now that people understand that even though the problem of migration may get a lot of heat because it's affecting people in their communities and it's affecting people because, you know, the children are getting sexually molested and one couldn't be more sympathetic about such a matter.
In order to make the change, it's the systems and institutions that have to be addressed and attacked.
I wonder if the issue of big pharma and vaccines is the issue.
I'm not sure.
Migration seems to get a lot of interest and generate a lot of emotion.
Do you think that digital ID and increasing bureaucratic control is going to be something that's going to rouse people's passions?
Do you think that's something they care about?
Do you think that that's something that the British people, for example, will take a stand against?
Because it seems like Keirstarm is going to try and reintroduce ID, you know, ID cards or sort of, you know, biometric data.
Firstly, why is it a problem?
And do you think people care about it, Andrew?
Well, they should do.
Again, it's another thing that no one ever mentions in parliament.
All the parties are aligned with it.
Agenda 2030.
And that's why we're getting the uncontrolled migration.
And they can only implement all the aspects of Agenda 2030 and its controls if they have digital ID.
And so if we can stop digital ID, it's very, very difficult to see how we can end up with a dystopian future, which I believe is in line for us.
I thought the Agenda 2030 was a conspiracy theory.
Are you saying Agenda 2030 is a real thing?
It's a real thing.
And if you look on the government's website, it says we remain aligned to Agenda 2030.
But we never debated it in parliament.
No one ever talks about it.
It's just there in the background.
And all the policies are taking us that way.
So if you sign up for digital ID, if you say yes to digital ID, I fear you'll never be able to say no to the government again.
And whether people are still not everybody's hot under the collar about being lied to about the vaccines.
Some people say they want to put it in the past.
But what it has done, it's taken trust in governments around the world to record low levels.
And I don't see any reason they're coming back.
Now, in politics, I think, you know, the true leader says to people, this is my shared vision of our future.
Come with me and let's make it a reality.
Whereas the false leaders we seem to have at the moment, they will make promises they know they can't keep.
People won't follow them.
They can't lead people because people won't follow them.
So therefore, instead of leading, they have to control.
And digital ID will be a massive tool of control.
It'll always be sold to you as it's for your own convenience and for your own security.
And there's an old saying that if you're ever willing to trade your freedom for security, you'll end up with neither freedom nor security.
And the only person it's going to be convenient for will be the government.
And we will be like prisoners out on license where we're tagged and they'll know exactly where we are and what we're doing all the time.
And if we give into this, Russell, you know, future generation, it's not just about us, it's about future generations that will be condemned to that.
They will never know the freedoms that they didn't have.
And that can't be allowed to happen.
It's already happening in a sense, isn't it?
Because we're already sort of voluntarily tagging ourselves into all manner of social media systems.
And I saw some government representative, in fact, gosh, I think I saw Starma himself saying last time they tried to implement this, people weren't so familiar with the normalization of data capture and the kind of biometric control that will be asserted through digital ID and that people are probably more willing to accept it.
But of course, you know and I know that it's usually crisis that's imple that's used to implement these kind of measures.
And one of the things I've noticed since 9-11, I suppose onwards is successive crises used to implement further controls that are never really retracted.
And I checked out the government website at your suggestion there.
And yes, you're right.
There it is.
Agenda 2030, part of UK aid.
You'd think that they would have got rid of UK aid after it was exposed that USAID or USAID as it was also known was essentially a CIA front and a way of funneling money to causes that were sympathetic to global imperialism, whether in academia across the world or some of the more visible and ridiculous attention grabbing items like, I don't know, like a $90 million worth of condoms dropped on Palestine.
It's kind of a thing that people should be concerned about.
Anything that gets dropped on Palestine, people should be concerned about actually.
But in short, it's a very, very interesting, it's interesting to discover that the global goals of Agenda 2030 are here.
And in fact, yeah, you see Bill Gates and the like often wearing that insignia on a lapel.
Agenda 2030 talks about global goals.
So there it is in black and white.
It's a globalist agenda.
No poverty, zero hunger, good health, or the kind of goals actually that any one of us would happily pursue, but perhaps would be unwise to entrust to global imperialists such as temporarily elected officials who, as you say, don't provide a vision.
And that's because they're the managerial class.
They're not leaders.
You can see that and smell it on Keir Starmer.
He's a middle management bureaucrat who's operating at the behest of real power.
And whether you want to see that real power of just sort of commercial corporate bureaucratic power coming from entities that we're all familiar with the names of WHO, WTO, World Bank, WEF, NATO, UNEU, all those, or something more nefarious than that.
And that's why it's interesting to me that our conversations touched already, Andrew, upon sort of local parochial issues like that post office scandal, global issues like the pandemic, even the potential that there's weird stuff going on around children and sexual abuse and the fact that they have the total capture of the media and that digital ID will always be used to exert more control.
Because they know that people, generally speaking, want to be free, that it's our nature to want to be free.
Whenever they try to amplify controls, they have to justify it, usually through fear, sometimes through desire.
You can get me voluntarily to stare at that screen like an imbecile using my lower nature and my fear and stuff.
But to get genuine control, they have to operate in a pretty cohesive and dreadful manner.
And we really saw that during the pandemic.
I really admire your bravery, Andrew.
And I just wonder where you stand right now when it comes to ensuring that this kind of momentum that there is emerging in the UK, mainly I would have to say, behind Tommy Robinson and sort of re-emergent nationalism, potentially to a degree around a politician like Nigel Farage, leader of reform.
If Britain's going to have a Trump, it's going to be Farage.
You'd have to say that.
Unless Jeremy Clarkson wants to get his hands dirty.
And I wonder what you feel your role is in ensuring, firstly, a degree of information sharing, like an informed public, and the ability even to campaign, communicate about these kind of issues within Parliament.
It doesn't really seem like there's much traction within the institutions that matter.
Just even relying on your personal testimony when it comes to COVID and the way that that was handled within your party in 2022.
Well, it wasn't just it within the Conservative Party.
It was across Parliament, wasn't it?
There was the unit party was fully functioning.
I'm not convinced that Nigel, I've known Nigel Farage for 10 years.
I'm not convinced that he's the answer.
When I'd exhausted everyone in Parliament to stand with me and expose the truth on the vaccines in early 2023, I went to go and see Nigel, had an hour and a half with him, an Aaron Banks.
And at the end, Nigel turned around to me and said that he would not be speaking about the vaccines.
And if you know what's good for you, Andrew, you won't either.
So he knew and he wasn't willing to stand up.
That is not leadership, Russell.
It's another word.
I think your viewers know what that word is.
Well, I haven't found the party or the vehicle yet that's the answer to the UK's problems.
And we're not talking about a bit of reform now.
I think having been inside the belly of the beast for over 14 years, there is little of it I keep because it's not serving the people.
We should be electing politicians who are servant leaders who are there to serve the people, not their masters.
Our MPs even changed their job description after the last election to take away the need to represent the public, their electorate.
I mean, if that's not their job, what is their job?
And I think what you thought you'd gotten to the MP's MP's MP's job description was redefined after, after the election.
I don't know how you do that between contracts.
I mean, people thought they'd got a member of parliament to represent them in Westminster.
And what you've actually got is the representative of a party to represent that party in your constituency.
And that is the antithesis of what we should have.
There's so many failings in Parliament.
They won't talk about any of the big issues.
It is a pantomime.
And this left-right thing, that is an illusion of choice.
I've come to the conclusion it's an illusion of choice.
It isn't about right and left.
It's about right and wrong on many of the issues.
I spoke to, believe it or not, I'll give you an admission.
I have a Labour MP, a serving Labour MP who's a friend of mine on a personal level, not politically.
And I spoke to him.
He rang me a few weeks ago and I said, for 14 years, you wanted to get onto the government benches.
How's it been the last 12 months?
And he said, it's terrible.
He's a five-term MP.
And he said, I'm out at the next election, whatever happens, after a year in government.
And I said, well, you know, what do you expect?
Look at what you've done.
You know, you've starved the, you've taken the, you've frozen the old-ish pensioners with the heating allowance removal.
You're starving the severely disabled as if that's going to make them be able to work if you're severely disabled.
And I said, I hope you didn't vote for that appalling decriminalization of abortion up to birth, which not two or three percent of the public would support.
It flew through the House of Commons.
And he said to me, be honest, Andrew, I don't know.
I said, what do you mean you don't know if you voted for it?
He said, it's that bad that I don't look at the order paper anymore.
I just go and vote when the bell rings, wherever the whips direct me, because if I don't know what we're voting for, I can sleep rather.
That's a five-term Labour MP.
That's amazing.
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You know, even though it's tangential, with your, well, you began that answer by saying they changed the way they describe the role of a member of parliament.
And much of this brilliant book by Gavin De Becker, published by Skyhorse, which is a brilliant publishing company that is run by a man called Tony Lyons, a very brave man who's willing to publish books that most people wouldn't.
Elections and Tyranny 00:08:19
And you should probably write a book for him, Andrew.
I'll hook you up with him if you want.
He talks about how the issue around vaccines, does Gavin de Becker, has been obfuscated by plastic language, i.e.
changing the definition of the word vaccine, changing the definition of the word anti-vax, never really providing a clear definition for the word autism.
So it becomes impossible to diagnose it and map it and track it.
Now, like, that sounds like newspeak out of 1984, doesn't it?
Where they restricted the vocabulary so that you couldn't talk about things.
Yeah.
And actually, 1984, someone said to me that Tucker Carlson said, like, maybe it's not that Orwell wasn't writing about Soviet-style tyranny, but the kind of tyranny that emerges from social democracy, because that's what we're experiencing now.
While the sort of specters and bogeymen of fascism and communism are used by the opposing sides to terrify us into compliance, social democracy, neoliberalism and neoconservatism seems to be metastasizing perfectly well into a kind of tyranny that doesn't even have the good grace to tell you that that's what it is.
At least in the old days, they'd have a funny moustache and shiny boots, so you knew what they were doing.
Nowadays, yeah, you'd think, oh, well, I'll get this.
You're goose stepping through Nuremberg.
I've seen this before.
I know what it is.
But now it's the tyranny is a bureaucratized, sanitized version of tyranny that you don't even know you're living in.
And when you said that if digital ID passes in the UK, the UK will be even more of an open prison than it currently is, where the UK appallingly leads the global league in but one category because elsewhere the UK are stooping in the relegation zone, let's say.
It's in arrests for social media posts more than Belarus and many other countries that we used to wryly look at askance as despotic uncountries, shit old countries to use a popular lexicon.
So it's already moving towards levels of control, Andrew, that were unthinkable 20, 30 years ago, isn't it?
I think it's moving to levels of control that were unthinkable five years ago.
12,000 arrests for social media posts.
I think Belarusia had 6,000.
I think they might be number two on the list.
I think in France it was 50.
50.
Oh my God.
And like in France they are kicking.
We're losing to the French.
We're only just beating Belarus.
It's like a World Cup qualifier group, Andrew.
We're going to go out to the quarterfinals, hopefully.
Do you think we're going, if we could make it that far, it'd be a miracle and a blessing.
I actually worry we're not going to have any more elections, Russell.
I think Stalman doesn't want any elections.
Macron doesn't want any elections.
Merz in Germany, Chancellor, he doesn't want any elections because he had some local elections a few weeks ago and the AFD went up 300% and the socialists collapsed.
And what could mean that we didn't have any elections?
A big war.
And what are they pushing for?
What are the globalists pushing for?
What do their puppet politicians want?
A big war.
Man, you're right.
And even, I would say, what happened in Romania is an indication that the EU are looking to bypass the outcome of elections.
Whenever, inverted commas, a far right, and I've noticed they've started to give adjectives to the word right pretty freely these days.
Hard right, far right, dirty right, Nazi right, racist right.
Anything they can put in front of right to make the idea of right seem unappealing, they appear to be willing to do.
But those are Romanian elections where they ignored the result of an election and kept ignoring the results of an election until they got the desired results.
Shows you that in the continent of Europe, and any country presumably that's peripheral to it, so that would still include the UK, there's a massive appetite to bypass this global national populist uprising, which is being characterised as racist.
And certainly an aspect of it, as we've discussed already, is taking a stronger position on borders and migration.
But it's clearly primarily a reaction to globalist and global imperialism and the evident corruption that came to light during the pandemic period being a significant piece of evidence.
And you reckon the next move will be to steer Europe into war, presumably against Russia, I suppose, ostensibly backing a beleaguered Ukraine, as part of a process to postpone elections to ensure that unpopular governments in France, Germany and the UK don't get booted out.
Do you think that's what's coming down the pipe?
I think it is.
The globalists want a war anyway.
They need a war to cover up the lies they've told to us, the money they've stolen from us, and the crimes they've committed against us.
And they want a big war.
They want a nine or ten year war.
We're signed up to, Starmer's taken us into the European Defence and Securities Pact.
That's conscription.
You know why Starmer's announced that 16-year-olds are going to get the vote?
Oh, what?
For conscription?
Yes, because under the EU rules, conscription is male and female, 16 to 35.
And you can't ask people to die for their country if they don't get a vote.
I suggest they be very careful what they vote for.
That's interesting.
It's interesting to see how, like, the most...
What you're talking about, Romania, was Kalin Georgescu, who was the wrong candidate, who won the first round of voting in the presidential elections, and it was disbarred on the elections.
Russell, the same thing's going on in the little-known-about country of Moldova, the poorest country in Europe.
You've also got Transnistria, which is occupied by the Russians, a little slither of Moldova, on the Euro-Ukraine-Romania border.
A hundred thousand emails have been leaked from the ruling party.
I think it's PAS.
Lady's the prime minister there.
They're 15% behind in the polls.
And they've said that these emails indicate that they'll, in the pro-Russian part of Moldova, they'll reduce drastically the number of polling stations to reduce the vote.
And even if they don't do it, it says, we've already recruited the judges, so we'll annul the election if it doesn't come out the way we want.
And we'll rely on our worldwide partners to help us deliver this.
And those are in the emails.
So that's all being planned in Moldova now for their elections.
Well, I didn't think that such a potentially niche revelation as electoral corruption in Moldova would be the thing to push me over the edge.
But hearing that makes me feel that the only thing that can really oppose what seems to be such a fully immersive imperialist experience, sort of such a kind of, like as I saw on the UK government website, pull that up, Massey, it's such a technicoloured, innocuous, anodyne process.
Project 23, the implementation of central currency, the implementation of digital ID, biometric data, the erosion of free speech through the creation of categories like disinformation and misinformation, the vilifying of independent voices, whether that's in politics or in media, is all trending and tending towards massive centralized control.
And the only thing that can prevent and oppose that is an informed and to some degree at least unified population.
And you can't get that when people are caught up and spun out in a culture war around issues that are important to people, to some people certainly, like identity politics, trans issues, issues that center around race and religion.
Faith Amidst Evil 00:05:25
I wonder, Andrew, what you feel about the resurgent Christianity across our country, across the United States, how prominent in the Charlie Kirk memorial service, the Christian faith was, how surprisingly significant in meek old Britain, we had a correspondent there, who's also my mate Joe, who said that people were marching with crosses that, you know, unite the kingdom march.
Do you feel that in order to oppose something as immersive and by my reckoning at this point, evil as a global new world order, which I reckon we both agree is the sort of intended goal, it's going to require something comparably bold, i.e.
faith in God.
And if people don't believe in God, if people don't really believe in anything, where are we deriving our principles from, rather?
And when you said, mate, that you don't reckon 2% to 3% of the British public would vote for abortion throughout pregnancy.
And I think at the same time, new euphanasia laws were passed, equally unnecessary when in practice people euphonize using morphine if that's what's required.
It seems that in the same way that the introduction of voting to include 16-year-olds will be used to legitimize conscription, as you've just excellently informed us, even these laws that give the government rights over life at inception and demise are there to kind of bookend the parameters of their control.
That what they want is total control.
We're entering into biopolitics, total control over life itself.
Does it take a faith in God, something superior to mankind and reason, to bolster and galvanize people?
Do you think that, Andrew?
Well, I've prayed more the last five years than I have in all the rest of my life.
And most of my prayers, Russell, though I was completely wrong about the vaccines and the pandemic response, but unfortunately, I wasn't.
What my experience is that a lot of my friends and associates, maybe, who I put down as distinctly agnostic at best, the ones who've woken up, have seen the face of pure evil.
And they know that there has to be in a universe of balance, there has to be a compensating force.
And that has made people far more spiritual.
I think we're living in biblical times, quite honestly.
I mean, it is scary at times, but it's a time, what an amazing time to be alive where people are actually seeing for the first time reality as ugly as it is.
But it's better to know where we are.
And I think people are becoming far more spiritual.
Yes.
Do you read the Bible, Andrew?
I do.
I've got several copies of it.
In Ephesians, there's the famous verse, of course, about we fight not against Earthly powers, but against spiritual principalities and dark rulers.
Earlier in a space, we are in a spiritual war.
And a spiritual war means we're fighting against evil and that evil has captured human institutions, economic, financial, and political.
And when you accept that, or at least look at world events from that perspective, they don't make less sense.
They make more sense.
Like, why would people want end-of-term abortions?
Oh, to help people.
No, it's evil, isn't it?
Why would they want to be out euthanized?
To help people?
No, it's to kill people.
It's evil, isn't it?
What's their attitude to migration?
What was motivating the policies around COVID?
When you accept the presence of evil as well as the presence of God and the necessity of our savior, some of these things start to make sense in a way they can't.
Now, I think one of the challenges we face, Andrew, look at the times in this conversation that you've been right ahead of the curve.
You know, whether it's the post office scandal that I'm sort of reluctant to keep mentioning because I know Americans won't know what the hell I'm talking about and they'll know even less if you say something like Mr. Bates is, you know, like they wouldn't that'll make them understand even less.
Like, you know, like whether it's that or the COVID pandemic or the current problems or unrest around migration, I feel that you can't people on their own are we're insufficient.
We can't do it.
We're too weak.
You know, the thing is, when you accept Christ, you have to accept his final commandment, love one another as I have loved you, which means, of course, up until the point of death.
Now, when you talked about, you know, rejecting the Faustian pact of take anything you want, which I would suggest, Andrew, was limited.
I bet you could have probably got a few hundred grand.
I bet they wouldn't have given you, maybe they'd have given you a good government position.
Maybe, maybe.
I don't know.
I don't know how far you could have ridden that pony.
But like, you're obviously an idealist.
You obviously believe in something bigger than personal accolade and personal wealth.
So, and really, all of us that believe in something bigger than that, even if you're an atheist, you believe in, you know, I could have sold my soul to the devil, but when would I never be able to buy it back, would I, Russell?
Willing to Rot 00:04:33
And they'd have owned me from that moment onwards because they'd have got me because I'd have taken the bribe.
And corruption works both ways.
It corrupts both sides of the equation forever.
There's no way out of it.
So, no.
Yeah, well, but like, okay, so you've took it this far.
So, now how much further are you willing to go?
I mean, we can sort of see that very effective people tend to get murdered and smeared.
I guess you've had a bunch of untrue stuff said about you, have you?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
From the moment I didn't take the bribe.
Really?
How did it start?
Corruption of a court case, a civil court case, which effectively took my business off me.
That's how it started.
Yeah.
The judicial corruption.
I honestly, from my experience, all of our institutional barrels, not all the apples in the barrels are rotten, but all the apples at the top of the bat of all the barrels are rotten.
And any apple that wants to rise to the top has to rot to get to the top.
You've got to be willing to rot.
You're so English, you are.
If you are.
I'm proud of it.
All your metaphors are so English.
Like, you know, you're not becoming Americanized, are you?
The colonial.
Ow!
I'm so English.
Ow!
Fucking hell!
Ow!
This lady's pulling like an IV out of my arm now, Nurse Nikki.
Nurse Nikki, please go on carry so people know that I'm not mentally ill.
Like, show Andrew Bridger just there.
Oh, that's Nurse Nikki.
I'm not mentally ill.
Actually, I am mentally ill, but that was my own.
You're hurting him.
She is hurting me.
It really, really hurt.
I lost a lot of arms here.
Not that hairy.
Come on.
Now, but what I want to say, like, yeah, when you sort of, all your metaphors, there's a barrel of apples and the bleeding apples are corrupt from top to bottom.
Well, it's the problem is it's self-perpetuating.
If you're the corrupt head of any organization, when you come to retire or move on, you've got to make sure the person who takes your job is at least as corrupt as you are.
Otherwise, it's going to be exposed.
And that's what's going on for a long, long time.
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I want to ask you some right, like, you know, by the way, that's what while I'm enduring that, because I know what it's like, the law fair is expensive, it's exhausting, it's confronting, it's terrible.
And as they say, show me the man and I'll show you the crime.
If they need to take someone out, they'll go for, as we say in 12-step circles, the money and the honey, the pink and the green.
Most men have either a predilection for finance and it's natural.
And certainly when I was growing up, it was lionized to sleep around a bunch, but I didn't realize what I was creating were thousands and thousands of potential he says, she says scenarios because of my own stupid, dumb, selfish, promiscuous behavior.
And you, I'm guessing you don't really have that kind of, I don't know, that doesn't seem like it's your thing, but like you, for you, they could tie you up in financial stuff because you, I don't know, you had a business.
David And Heath's Investigation 00:14:02
I do like, I do like, I have liked the ladies, Russell.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Nothing wrong with that in a consensual adult relationship.
Not like they prefer in Parliament.
You're a rarity in Westminster.
Well, four weeks after I exposed the child trafficking, Leicestershire police came and picked me up and accused me of paedophilia.
Accused me of being a member of the Freemasons and partaking on one occasion in a seven-year period undefined of in child abuse.
I mean, five minutes of research to find out I've never been a member of the Freemasons and never been to a lodge meeting.
But I said to the police in the interview that I left the Freemasonry to them, not me.
I'll leave all that to you.
Did you see that copper nicking that woman with cancer, Andrew, when he was saying you should apologize?
I was embarrassed.
I was embarrassed.
He was an embarrassment to my country.
I was embarrassed for the lady.
I was ashamed, actually ashamed of what look where we've got to so quickly.
What's going on?
I was going to get questions.
It's going to get worse.
It's going to get worse.
It's going to get dark.
But the darker it gets, Russell, the nearer we are to the end.
And it's the point where people have all had enough.
And you say, what can we do?
Well, no is a very small word.
We've got to say no to the digital ID.
No is a very small word, but if millions and millions of us say it, it will resonate and shake the halls of the self-proclaimed elites.
And that's a nice sentence.
I'm very worried about it.
I'm worried about it all.
Can we talk specifically for a minute about Keir Starmer?
I'm interested in him.
I've always been interested in him.
Does it matter?
Have you?
Is that the time that you stroke he have been in parliament together?
Well, I was there five years before him.
He came in 2015.
Yeah.
Yeah.
10 years.
And he's very much in his way they manage him.
It was very much like David Cameron.
And looking back now, I look at them and think these are people who they like giving speeches on platforms, but they never like to get close to people because they've got so much to hide.
So they never ever want to expose themselves to small groups where they can be look into their heart because there's nothing there.
They're absolutely soulless.
Well, what did we, what would you think?
What did, I mean, I don't want you to obviously commit libel, but speculatively, what you said, what do you think that David Cameron, I mean, look, what I can see is from Blair onwards, we got a certain type of political leader.
Weird anomalies in the UK, like 10 minutes of Liz Truss or whatever.
But other than those sort of peculiar quirks, it's been your Cameron, Blair, Starma, managerial, ambitious, bureaucrat characters that could be either party.
There's nothing about them that particularly defines them.
They're not idealistic.
They're really just vessels and vassals for what I now consider to be kind of demonic power.
Obviously, I got in in 2010 in a seat that I wasn't supposed to win.
I used my own money for the leaflets.
Cameron told me I wouldn't be a member of parliament and I was there.
And I think it was 2011, I said to Osborne and Cameron in a private meeting, you're supposed to be these brilliant politicians, but we don't really need politics.
All we need is policies that make life better for our people, make them feel more secure and have better prospects for the next generation.
I said, and then we win.
And they looked at me and said, Andrew, you don't understand.
It's all a game.
And I don't think I did understand in 2011.
But I do understand now, Russell.
I do understand now, I promise you.
Yeah, good.
Me too.
What do you think is the compromise with Kierstama?
What's going on?
Is it to do with the Ukrainian rent boys and the stuff getting caught on fire?
And I think he's got loads.
I think he's got loads of super injunctions out there about aspects of his lifestyle.
Lord Allie, there's nothing in the news about the Ukrainian rent boys.
I mean, well, I think there's a super injunction out there.
They were in court about five or six weeks ago on a Friday.
Not one media outlet covered it.
That's weird, isn't it?
That you can have something like a sitting prime minister's car gets sort of burnt up by young men that are, I think, demonstrably working in the sex trade, I think, isn't it?
Because they're on sites where you can pick up boys if that's your deal.
And these and some young men that are on those sites burned Kier Starmer's car.
I mean, is there even an official position on that?
Well, you know, as the old joke in Westminster is, one MP says to the other, what are you thinking about what I should do on the Rent Boy bill?
And the answer comes back, well, my advice, my friend, is that you pay it.
Nice.
That's a good old, that's a good British joke.
Now, I like what you said then about actually what you need are policies rather than politicians.
Do you think politics is when I'm selling you snake oil and I've got to get out of town before you find out I've ripped you off again?
What do we need?
All we need is policies, policies that will really work to make life better when we've had the antithesis of that.
You're right.
What did David Cameron call himself?
The heir to Blair.
He was the heir to Blair, wasn't he?
And Blair is controlling Keir Starmer.
He's got to have ID cards when he was in.
He was trying to bring them in in the noughties.
I can't remember what his excuse was then, but it wasn't immigration.
But he's immigration now.
What was it?
What would they have gotten us scared about in the 90s?
STDs, Es, F referrents, EGs.
He wanted us to have ID cards so that you could check who was vaccinated and make sure your vaccines were up to.
Yeah.
And also, remember about your hero, Mr. Farage.
I hope he's not.
Remember, Nigel wanted, suggested that Tony Blair should be the vaccine czar during the vaccine rollout.
Do you remember that?
I do.
I do.
I don't have no heroes no more.
Can you think of anything that Tony Blair did in government or has advised since that actually has been good for the country?
I'll give you a little time.
There was the Iraq war that turned out to be justified for the money.
Salih Hussein had those weapons of mass destruction that if he had gone ahead, we'd have had a he had some people around his head.
In 40 minutes, was it in London in 40 minutes?
In London in 40 minutes.
That was great.
That was great.
In a way, what I suppose Blair's legacy is, was a kind of adeptness in media.
Him, Mandelson, and Campbell knew how to message.
And I think if we ever go back and look at the death of that scientist, man, that was some shady shit, wasn't it?
The guy that David, David Kelly, David Kelly.
David Kelly's youngest son had have to live to be 100 before the documents are going to be released.
And I don't think they'll be released then.
Does that mean that guy got killed?
Oh, undoubtedly.
Yeah.
I mean, I suppose, look, what it is, when you live in America, you become aware that politics here has a greater, more direct, more vivid global impact.
And like the politicians have become sort of more robust, ferocious and vivid and livid.
Even, you know, like from Bill Clinton and like, you know, Obama, all of them, they're sort of like incredibly lurid and spectacular figures.
And the politics is more far-reaching.
And the amounts of money, Andrew, seem so enormous.
Like when you read something in the Telegraph, it's like £10,000 was given.
It just sounds like such a crap amount of money.
I hear the lobbying and the donors.
It's all such fierce and enormous.
But in the UK, I think it's deeper, entrenched, like a sort of a dirty, crimson, near-brown, deep blood in the soil that's connected somehow to monarchy, MI5, colonialism, mad assassinations.
Like there's just been dark, dark stuff going on for such a long while.
And it's horrible.
I remember when I first started to learn about like Dolphin Square and the paedophile rings.
And I think it's pretty much now accepted that someone like Ted Heath, who was prime minister in the 80s, wasn't he, or he's the leader of the Conservative Party.
Was Ted Heath Prime Minister, Andrew?
He was.
He was the Prime Minister in the 70s.
He's the one that took us into the EU.
Deeply compromised.
I actually tried to defend Mike Veal, who was the Chief Constable of Wiltshire, who carried out Operation Conifer.
That was the investigation after his death into Edward Heath, former prime minister.
And they did a two-year investigation.
I said to Mike Veal, I said, are you going to do a proper investigation?
And he said, yes.
I said, you do realize if you don't find what the establishment want, they will destroy you.
He didn't believe me.
And he did a proper investigation and said that if Edward Heath were alive today, he'd be arrested under caution and interviewed about sexual abuse of underage boys.
And that was enough.
And he was destroyed for that.
And he was the most honest, honest and naive policeman.
He was a lovely guy.
I think he joined the police force at 16, rose to chief constable.
And now he drives around in a van doing odd jobs because that's the only job he can get.
He was a chief constable.
And once he investigated a former British prime minister and found that that guy would be arrested and investigated as a drugstore.
He never released all the evidence.
There was two files.
One went to the confidential file went to the home office.
The public file was sanitized.
I think there were 32 victims.
He was very clever.
He recruited as his investigation team for Conifer 22 of the best detectives in the country who just retired, Russell.
And they did a two-year contract and went back to retirement.
So they couldn't be bribed with a promotion.
All they were doing was a two-year contract, then go back to retirement.
They were untouchable.
They were brilliant.
They all stuck with him.
Of the 32 alleged victims, who are obviously men now, two or three of them came out with the same weird story.
And none of them knew of each other.
They never met each other.
They didn't know of each other's existence.
They were all independent victims.
And three of them came out with a story that Edward Heath had attached a metallic extension to his hand and abused them with that.
And I think it's very difficult to think that three people could independently imagine that.
Oh my God, that's terrifying.
And of course, I was familiar around the time because sort of in the pre-internet days, your hubs for information, we now know why.
Maligned voices, including Alex Jones and David Icke, who, like anyone who operate in peripheral spaces, are not going to be 100% correct 100% of the time.
Alex Jones, ahead of the tragic events of 9-11, did predict that Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda would attack the Twin Towers.
He was certainly right about that.
There are memes and jokes, galore about the times where Jones has been right.
And David Icke used to report a lot about paedophile rings.
It was pretty explicit and detailed in some of his reporting, mentioning Dolphin Square, Elm House, kids that were in orphanages and foster care being bussed in and abused by high-powered people.
There's quite a lot of reporting and quite a lot of hearing online.
Isn't that only the same as Epstein?
It's the ultimate compliment, isn't it?
Once you're in that club, there's no way out.
There's no way out of it.
And you can achieve high office because you can always be controlled because you're compromised.
And that's what we've ended up with across the top of our institutions, I think.
Completely compromised.
When you've got then a situation where lots of politicians know that the vaccines are killing people, but no one can stand up and say it.
Yeah, I think this, I'm surprised that they've, how is it that they've been able to control the sex stuff for so long, the reporting on the sex stuff?
is that why is it that you know i was told there is undoubtedly across parliament and across the political parties there's an agreement like sort of mutually assured destruction that we don't talk about your uh your uh sexual deviance and you don't talk about ours you I gave evidence.
I gave evidence against Mike Hill, who sexually abused a member of his staff, a Labour MP for Hartlepool.
Why People Engage in Politics Now 00:15:28
I gave evidence.
I told the party that I was going to give evidence, the Conservative Party, like a good Tory I was, and said, you better prepare for a by-election in Hartlepool because he will be found guilty because the evidence is overwhelming.
And I'm going to give evidence against him in court.
And I was shocked because the party came back to me and said, don't give evidence.
Stay out of it.
And I said, no, I've given my word to the victim.
I'm going to give evidence.
So I gave evidence.
He went down.
He resigned from Parliament, the by-election, and we won it.
But my party hated me for it because they told me not to give evidence.
And that's when you know it's all bent.
You're like a British Mr. Smith goes to Washington.
Well, it certainly wasn't what I was expecting.
I thought I was going there.
I was going there to represent Northwest Secrets, a place where I'd been brought up, where my business was, where I lived, people I'd grown up with, and that was what I wanted to do.
Why did you want to do it?
How did you grow up?
I've made a lot of money in business.
I've made a lot of money in business.
I'd got, I thought, everything I needed in life.
You know, I'd got the mansion and the Aston Martin and young businessman of the young executive of the AUK.
And we were making £3 million a year profit.
And I haven't got any debts.
And my friends used to moan locally, small and medium size, of how bad the area was.
We were living in the most deprived area of Leicestershire at the time.
And I said to him, look, well, you stand for the council.
I'll help.
I'll put the money up.
I'll stand for MP.
We'll take over.
In 12 years, Russell, we took the poorest district in constituency in Leicestershire and made it the richest.
12 years.
That's all it took.
Well, we just the previous Labour administration, I think, was completely corrupt and anti-business.
So nothing had happened in the area for decades.
And we delivered the highest economic growth in the country.
We got 1.2 jobs with all the extra jobs we bought in, 1.2 jobs for every person of working age in the constituency.
So we have to bring people into work in North West Leicestershire.
So it keeps the wages up.
So now Northwest Session is the only part of Leicestershire with above average UK household incomes.
And we built enough good quality housing to keep the house prices 30% below UK averages.
So you've got above UK average income, 30% lower housing cost.
That's the sweet spot, isn't it?
So you pay the bills, pay the mortgage, and that's why we were the happiest place in the Midlands to live just before the 2019 election.
And then the world went mad and then we had COVID and everything went out the window.
Wow.
Oh, wow.
And even in the seat that was the happiest place to live in the Midlands, I saw the suicide rate in a month of lockdown being higher than the normal annual average.
And I wrote to the government and said, this can't carry on.
My people are killing themselves.
And they said there was no link between lockdowns and suicides.
I mean, it's, well, there is here.
My area was the happiest place to live in the Midlands.
So what was it like everywhere else?
It was appalling.
And then to find out with Partygate and everything else that came out that that was all a scam.
They weren't even socially distancing and masking in number 10.
And they knew all the facts.
That was devastating for me.
Devastating.
All right.
So listen, you really were, in a sense, not a super ideological guy.
You really just believe in sort of entrepreneurialism and business.
Then you noticed that your local community was suffering.
So you and a group of friends thought, yeah, we'll get involved.
And COVID kind of radicalized you, kind of.
Well, I saw, well, it was deliberately destroying everything we'd worked for all those years.
Destroying people's lives, businesses.
Obviously, the huge businesses, the international business, they weren't locked down.
They were cleaning up nicely.
Well, I mean, being a businessman, I mean, I looked at when they came out during lockdown, I saw how hard it had hit my constituents.
And they said, oh, you know, the super rich, the 0.1 of a percent, the billionaires, have on average increased their wealth by 50%.
Well, I mean, you know what that's called, Russell?
That's called insider trading.
That's the only way it can happen.
They already knew.
Well, they already knew.
So they think, well, that's not fair, is it?
They already knew exactly what was happening.
Do you reckon, though, Andrew, that what we would, one would call in the vernacular insider trading is simply the system that you gain access to when you are part of the institutional elite.
I mean, when you hear how George Soros operates, it seemed to me, at least by the explanation of Mike Benz, that when it comes to an operation inside the Ukraine and the subsequent requirement for infrastructure that a post-war nation has, that he's apprised of what's going to go down like a few years in advance and they invest appropriately into, you know, I don't know, munitions or tech or whatever kind of industries benefit.
Russell, all you or I or anyone else needs to make a lot of money is next week's newspaper today.
And if you own next week's news at the newspaper, I guess you know what the headlines are going to be.
And then if you're in the club, you're in the club, aren't you?
So do you since what sounds like going from being an idealist, but not a radical idea, an idealist in so much as, oh, we can improve our community in our town.
I'll become a member of parliament.
Business is going well.
You know, that's not sort of radical.
That's hardly Shea Guevara or Adolf Hitler.
It's not sort of an extremist perspective.
Do you think that since what you've learned from COVID and presumably applied to some of your other personal experiences of operations with Parliament, do you now have almost a different perspective on history?
Do you see that really what we're likely experiencing now is just the amplification of systems that have always to some degree been present when it comes to power?
Yes, I think it's probably always been like that, like this.
And I think we probably have an opportunity that we've never had in history because I think enough of us and a growing number of people do know what's going on.
And I don't necessarily think there was that awareness before.
And it might not even be much of a chance, but it's probably the best chance we're ever going to have.
And we better darn well take it.
I think you're right, Andrew.
I think that what actually the macro condition is actually, this is the way I've come to explain it.
Andrew Breitbart said that politics is downstream of culture.
I've added to that, culture is downstream of technology.
And our culture has been immeasurably impacted by the ability to communicate instantaneously in a way that is difficult and in fact impossible to regulate.
The best examples maybe are the Napster's ability to collapse the record industry, then the Arab Spring, then the results of Brexit and Trump, the first Trump election.
But also, one might point out more latterly, Joe Rogan's position in COVID.
And now, most super recent, I guess, Elon Musk reposts Tommy Robinson.
And you see now that information, contagions and memes can emerge without the previously presumed filteration process.
Russell, 14 years ago, I was attacking you in the media, in the newspapers.
What for then, 14 years ago?
Don't know, whatever lefty stuff you were up to, I don't know.
Well, it's probably young and insane.
We've all been young and insane once.
I bet if it was 14 years ago, though, I bet like, you know, 20, you know, I bet it was probably around 2015.
That's my guess.
Maybe.
I don't know.
It could have been earlier.
But my guess would be it was when I interviewed Ed Miliband when he was standing against Cameron, I guess, to be prime minister.
But just before that, I had said on Paxman, there's no point voting.
And whilst, you know, like, look, you get to be looking back now, I think you've moved your position and I've probably moved mine.
I mean, there is a saying, isn't there?
If voting changed anything, they wouldn't let you do it.
And what I will say is, Russell, there was a lot of anomalies around the election in North West Leicestershire last July.
Yeah, I bet.
Yeah, well, I bet.
My vote dropped from 63% to 3%, apparently.
That's interesting.
But, you know, look, our personal grievances with these systems of corruption are obviously, you know, sort of important and in some ways interesting and personally, at least, anecdotally, verifiable.
But what interests me, Andrew, is that what we're kind of, what heartens me is that your journey into politics began with interest in your local community and where I think we are now.
I mean just in terms of our conversation because I agree with you that there is a sort of a brief window for potential change is that the technology that we have now that it seems to be at the very center and fulcrum of this odd spiritual war that we're in might grant us the ability for true representative democracy.
If we were starting from scratch now, you might say that a community such as the one you've been involved in the government of that you were the representative, the elected representative of could using technology have even more explicit and transparent democracy and even more involvement in the community.
I've become a huge believer now in direct democracy wherever we can do it.
You can't trust politicians.
It's a very, very corrupt system.
And the current system we've got in this country and in other so-called developed countries around the world and the Anglosphere, they're the systems that have got us into this mess.
They're not going to get us.
Those systems are not going to get us out of it.
And I don't see anybody in the political arena at the moment pointing this out, that we need radical reform of the way our democracy and governance works.
And, you know, if you were up to me, Russell, I would get rid of half the half the MPs tomorrow.
And I'd increase the pay, but no external interests, no lobbying.
I'd get rid of the House of Lords and the people would become the second chamber.
That means you'd have to have referendums every three months and a public debate about all the laws and the people that would be true democracy, where democracy from the old Greek demos is the people and the kratos is the power and the people would have the power to.
And people say, well, I'm not interested in politics.
Well, when you're not interested in politics and you abdicate it to politicians, this is where we end up.
And we can't have this again.
So get interested because I tell you what, the politicians are very interested in you.
I think people are interested in politics now.
And I think that's the problem.
I think that Tommy Robin, the fact that Tommy Robinson's marshalled millions onto the streets of London.
And when you see those people, they're not radical, racist.
They're like your mums and dads and aunties and football fans.
I was there on the 13th.
I've spoken at the previous three events.
I was down to speak on that Saturday.
I was fifth from the end, but it had overrun.
The police were getting very keen to do a baton charge and clear us by force because we were already half an hour over the permit time.
And it was agreed that we didn't really want to end with a conflict where we got baton charged and the crowd.
So we knocked it on the head.
Very wild.
And as far as Tommy is concerned, I think Tommy really is a brave guy.
The establishment hate him because he's a working class guy who's bright and courageous.
But I was very uncomfortable about these New Zealanders ripping up at someone's flag, the Palestinian flag on stage.
I don't think that's uniting the kingdom in the way I'd like to.
Yeah, it's a shame to get into anything that has at its core anger or hatred.
This is a demobilizing emotion in the end.
This kind of game that we're in, it does remind us, demand a level of purity that I must say that I'm unable to attain.
And I feel that if we were, when you talk about direct democracy, what I find appealing about that, and you very briefly mentioned a second chamber and quarterly referenda, these are the kind of practical changes that really would change the world, particularly if you ended lobbying.
But, you know, like if you think about this.
So we would need a fair and unbiased media to be able to present the arguments so we could have that public debate.
And that will have to be through people like yourselves because we can't trust the mainstream media.
They don't do that sort of stuff.
What do you think happened to Corporate?
You can only have direct democracy when you've got freedom of speech.
To have freedom of speech, you've got to have freedom of thought.
And to have freedom of true thought, you've got to have freedom of information.
Of course you have.
Of course you have.
And obviously the UK is in a process of exercising that right now and criminalizing free speech by claiming they're protecting people.
But they do blunder their way through it, even when they send rather delightful, if effete, police to harass chemotherapy patients.
It's still becoming clear what's really going on.
I want to ask you about two things I think may be indicators of the trajectory of British politics in recent years.
One is the removal of Corbyn from the leadership of the Labour Party and the constitutional or at least legislative changes they made to their party, consequently, meaning that never again could members vote for a leader.
They're not making that mistake again.
The potential involvement of MI5 and even Starmer in that exercise.
And also Julian Assange, the incarceration of Assange in our country without trial for 10 years, near enough all told.
Thatcher's Dementia Ward Insights 00:05:07
And the fact that probably, I'm guessing, I'm not an expert, but during that period, 10 years, was Starma at the CPS during that period.
And what else does that tell us about Starma?
The removal of Corbyn, the former leader of the Labour Party, for a reference, the British Bernie Sanders, though that's sort of not quite accurate.
And the incarceration of Assange.
What does that tell you about Britain's deep state, Britain's relationship with intelligence agencies in the US, and the potential corruption of Keir Starmer?
What are those things comprise?
Well, Keir Starmer's character, as I said, I think he's got a lot to hide, probably in his personal life and his political life.
I saw a report of his deputy at CPS.
And obviously, he was running that organization during the austerity years of Osborne and Cameron.
And his deputy said that he did it with enthusiasm.
And he was ruthless about making people redundant.
He was going to fulfill his mission.
And isn't that what you see in him?
You know, he talks about, you know, we're on to phase two.
Phase two?
You know, there's not much left of the country.
Come on.
Phase two.
So if we go forward four years, it'll be phase four.
There'll be very little left by then.
I don't like these phases.
How do we...
I don't like it.
Yeah.
The problem is you're a politician.
You're phases.
And I don't like either of them.
Are you phases?
Well, no, I mean, why do we get such failed personalities?
I mean, they're not impressive people if you get to know these.
None of them are impressive.
I've known the last, I've actually met the last 10 prime ministers and they become less and less impressive, I can assure you.
Thatcher was right, was she?
Thatcher.
I bet Thatcher had a bit of clout.
I'm afraid I only met her in 2010 and I think she'd already got dementia.
And I met her at the St. Stephen's Club and we had a photograph taken.
We sat and talked for 15 minutes.
And you sit next to her and she I know that she'd got dementia at the end because at the end they said now it's time for him to go and we have the photograph and she she grabbed my arm and gave me the Thatcher stare at the end.
Oh yeah, nice.
She did.
And she said, Andrew, it's so good to have you back in the government.
Well, I've never been elected before, so obviously I haven't got a clue who I was.
And I said, thank you, ma'am.
And I just left, you know, so I knew that she hadn't got a clue who I was after 15 minutes.
But they used to let her.
Yes.
She used to tend the gardens, the Rose Gardens in Temple, in Temple in London.
And I one time was visiting a lawyer there.
Little did I know I'd be doing a lot more of that.
And I saw Margaret Thatcher ushered into the back of a car, taken away with a headscarf on, deep into her dementia.
And I heard the potentially apocryphal tale that Bernard Ingrams, her famed and mighty press secretary, would visit her to the end of her life.
And she'd go, Bernard, what are we to do about the Falklands?
And he'd like humour her and go, oh, we've got to do something, Prime Minister.
Like he used to sort of just play along because he loved her and stuff.
Like, obviously, at the time, like, Margaret Thatcher.
Dementia is no respecter of intellect, is it?
No, man.
It's sort of heartbreaking.
I've been around the dementia ward at the local old people's home.
And, you know, the number, this lady was a headmistress of a school and things like that.
And they're basically what are we all fighting for?
You know, there's all this fighting, all of this lying, all of this treachery just to end up in dementia, tending some rose garden, not even able to remember if you were a deputy headmistress or a prime minister of a country you won't even know in a few years.
That doesn't matter, Russell.
We're doing it for the thanks of future generations who will never know our names.
That's what we mean.
I mean to say that if you're not engaged with eternity but lost in personal identity, you're engaged in a bargain that's temporary and all that is temporary fades.
And the only way out of the temporal is through the covenant of he that transcends death, Christ Jesus.
Now, it's so lovely to speak to you.
Sorry that I was so late.
I was out doing all sorts of absolutely ridiculous things, Andrew.
I hope that we get the chance to talk again and come back on, will you?
we could i reckon we could probably have a conversation a week or two yeah like you could just do updates if you like and we can you know you can use it as a pulpit to talk about whatever you want to talk about because i reckon we agree on like you see say someone like jeremy corbyn or like julian like jeremy corbyn what i'd say is he's a man a person of total integrity.
George Galloway: Principles and Passion 00:01:58
He's got principles and they couldn't stand it.
I don't think they could control him.
So he had to go.
Yeah, that dude weren't in the gig to make a few quid.
Like he's like, this is what I believe in.
So you can at least disagree with me on principles.
George Galloway.
George Galloway is a good one.
Yeah.
You know, not someone you'd think was a political bedfellow of mine, but I had a great respect for him.
And on 90% of what he talks about, I agree with him.
And the fact that the establishment hated him, I thought he's got to be a good one.
If the establishment hates you, you must be all right.
That's my starting point.
If they're hammering you, yeah, yeah, and they're taking all your money off you and smear you.
You can't be all bad.
Oh, Andrew, thanks, mate.
Thanks for staying up so late over there in the UK and giving us your unique insights into British establishment corruption, media deception, the nature of lawfare, the importance of resisting digital ID, the revelations of the COVID period, and your personal integrity as a politician.
In a way, it shows that if enough of us take personal responsibility and are willing to get involved in these things, change is possible.
And please, Lord, inevitable.
Thank you, Andrew Bridgeon.
Thank you.
And God bless you.
God bless you, mate.
Let's stay in touch.
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