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	Ladies and gentlemen.
	Russell Brand.
	I'm saying Russell.
	Russell Brand.
	Controversial conspiracy theorists.
	Trying to bring real journalism to the American people.
	Yeah, welcome to Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	It's a special day today.
	It's our watch-along day.
	Last time we talked about Pizzagate and suddenly everyone's interested again in the disappearance of millions of children worldwide and whether there's something so desperately malfeasant behind it we scarcely dare even contemplate it.
	Let me know in the comments in chat what other conspiracy theories are making their way to conspiracy fact and what you'd like to see us watch along.
	Today we're watching along.
	MKUltra.
	So we can understand the mind experiments, the deep controls.
	In a way, this was inspired because I was beginning to recognize that interdimensional communication might be possible through powerful hallucinogens and some of the encounters and accounts given by mentally ill people of entities and machine entities dabbling with their consciousness may have their origins in super deep state psychological experimentation.
	I'm joined today by the producer of the show, my beloved.
	Jake Smith.
	All right, Jake.
	I mean, what a beautiful day.
	Your wife's almost like an unpaid researcher on this, isn't it?
	She's into everything.
	Ali likes...
	She's a good Christian woman, but I'm very interested in her sort of, what do I want to say, somewhat esoteric take on conspiracy matters.
	She's been very on top of it, you know.
	I think even with COVID, I'm thankful for her because she was like, we're not doing this.
	Really?
	Yeah, she was like very, researched everything, even when she would kinda, she has that I'm going to walk through all these places.
	So she was on it all during COVID.
	So I really trust her.
	Well done.
	Good.
	Well done.
	We can clip that.
	Hey, yo, Isaac, you all right, baby?
	All good.
	MKUltra, huh?
	We're going to get into that today.
	Did you find that documentary for us?
	I did.
	We keep, as you can see, Isaac's kept a long way away at the end of a corridor just until peace is resumed in the Middle East.
	That's because of events in Gaza.
	We're just keeping Isaac down the end of a very long corridor until he offers a full, frank and explicit apology for events in the Middle East.
	Yo, Massey and Luke are with us today.
	Luke's our social media manager and beloved Massey produces all of our content.
	Massey, I'm glad you turned that light down a little bit.
	You look like you were being interviewed.
	Under a flashlight by a Fed.
	Like this?
	Like that?
	Yeah, look at that.
	We can go higher than that.
	How about this?
	Don't go higher.
	Stay away from the light.
	Stay away from the light, baby.
	Luke, you can move towards it because you are a great bringer of light.
	It's lovely to see you, mate.
	Do you know anything about MKUltra and that stuff?
	I barely know anything about it, so I am excited to learn more.
	We're gonna...
	Have you ever met anyone mentally ill?
	Are you mentally ill?
	The fact is, statistically, you are.
	A huge number of Americans are on medication for mental health, and increasingly in my country, the UK, people are breaking down almost ubiquitously and inevitably because the country's going absolutely crazy.
	What I'm particularly interested in, having learned more about DMT and recent experimentations to create sustained encounters under DMT, is the consistency of reporting of encountering beings.
	In particular, I heard an account recently where a person under IV DMT, a powerful hallucinogen, encountered beings who were curious about the MRI scan that he was undergoing.
	While he was under the influence, you could call it, of this drug.
	So, when I heard that the beings that he encountered on DMT were saying, what's that machine?
	What's scanning you?
	It's normally us that's doing the scanning.
	Something struck me that mentally ill people, as in the aluminum or tinfoil hat, Consistently say, I've heard, that there are machines, the government spying on them.
	Indeed, the whole aluminium hat thing is about aluminum.
	It's about preventing those waves and signals getting in.
	I'm starting to believe that there are interdimensional communications going on that may be state-sanctioned and might be might be part of programs like MKUltra.
	As the conspiracy space opens up and as independent media like the media that you're participating in now reveals more and more information, I become more curious and fascinated by the idea that there are deep, deep occult And that's what we want to explore on our Thursdays.
	If you're watching us on YouTube, we'll be with you for about 20 minutes.
	Click the link in the description.
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	We do a bunch of additional content and there are all sorts of various benefits.
	Thanks, Timcast.
	For the raid.
	Banks Mug Club for the raid.
	We're going to have a wonderful watch along.
	Let me know in the comments and chat what you think about it and also let me know what documentaries you would like us to explore and what subjects you want us to explore.
	I was really struck the other day when, who's that gentleman that created Dilbert that is currently, sadly, dying?
	His name is...
	Scott Adams, well done.
	Thank you.
	Thanks, Matthew.
	Scott Adams was saying, like, there's no more disingenuous art form than a documentary that it said, The participants were played by actors.
	It was really sort of a weird sort of process went on.
	I'm very curious about that.
	But maybe when it comes to subjects such as MKUltra, or as we discovered last, or as we examined last week, Peace again, It's worth looking at people on the fringes and margins and what kind of content they're making.
	This is a pretty popular YouTube video from a very successful YouTuber.
	What's the name?
	Aperture.
	Aperture.
	This is Aperture on YouTube.
	That's where you'll find the original content, although we would, of course, prefer you watched it on Rumble.
	And if you don't have Rumble Premium yet, get Rumble Premium now and participate in our daily lineup.
	Let's have a look at this.
	The reason we want to look at MKUltra is because as more and more is revealed by the disclosures taking place under, for example, Kash Patel, even though I'm most aware of what doesn't seem to be being revealed, potential Mossad involvement in the Epstein case, who's in the Epstein files, who isn't.
	I'm very interested in deep state operations that involve drugs, mind control, and I would say the hard end of conspiracy theories.
	Let's get into MKUltra.
	Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat, babe.
	Stay safe online with Dashlane.
	More on that later.
	After World War II, the tension between the two emerging superpowers, the United States and the then Soviet Union, Was at an all-time high.
	The threat of a nuclear war, and sequentially the end of human existence as we know it, was banging on everyone's door.
	Everyone's life was hanging on by a thread.
	Neither side wanted to budge, or fall behind the other in fear of losing power completely.
	You watch Strangelove lately?
	Anyone?
	Anyone lately watch Doctor Strangelove?
	It's a good time to watch it.
	Have you seen Doctor Strangelove, Jake?
	No.
	Kubrick's masterpiece.
	Me and Isaac talk about Strangelove a lot.
	You love it, don't you?
	Yeah, it's a great movie.
	Stanley Kubrick's amazing.
	What I like about that movie is it shows that the people in charge of global power, and as Oppenheimer coined, destroyer of worlds type potency, are themselves flawed, fallible human beings.
	And through the twin genii of Kubrick and Sellers, you get a beautiful depiction of how one crazy decision by one crazy person could bring about Armageddon, because human beings are flawed and broken.
	That sort of seems to me like the premise.
	Of Strangelove.
	Have you seen it, Massey?
	I've seen pretty much all of Kubrick's movies, but I've never seen that one.
	No.
	Yeah, it's amazing.
	You ain't seen it, Lukey.
	It'd be a good thing for a watch-along, I think, because firstly, Sellers is just so sort of like fiercely funny and he plays two, three roles in it.
	The titular Dr. Strangelove, a kind of sort of Nazi scientist that can't stop himself, seek healing.
	He plays a brilliant RAF officer who encounters on an Air Force base in America a balmy general who, of his own volition, decides to launch a nuclear attack on Russia.
	In a way that is irreversible due to some sort of military bureaucratic details, and how, like, one portion of the American government and Pentagon representatives are like, well, we've done it now, let's just see how it goes, let's double down on it, let's bomb and more.
	And the sort of president, who's a kind of, you would call him a sort of a neoliberal centrist, is trying to sort of walk back.
	This terrifying decision that's going to lead to the destruction of the Earth.
	And through that story, you're forced to confront the idea that human beings should not be granted that kind of power and authority.
	And comedy's the perfect way to explore it because of the kind of just the ridiculousness.
	The character that does it, General Ripper, is a brilliant cigar-smoking, sort of, American Air Force general who decides to launch the attack because he believes the communists are attacking these precious body fluids that he keeps, sort of, referencing.
	And he talks about fluoride and the fluoridisation of water.
	And my mate Joe, who I watched it with the other night, goes, "Oh, look, see how they put that idea in there, so that, you know, like, people talking about fluoridisation of water down the line, come across as whack jobs and nutters.
	It's a film that's really worth revisiting.
	So I like that this documentary is setting the stage as there was a time not that long ago Where two opposed superpowers were vying for supremacy, both militarily, in terms of the space race, and where sort of anything goes.
	And there's a weird episode in American history that, through Project Paperclip, all them Nazi scientists were incorporated into NASA.
	But of course you would.
	You take it, to the victor belongs the spoils.
	Of course, they're not going to abandon all the technology that the Nazis had.
	And also, there's all that weird occult stuff that the Nazis had, UFOs.
	There's so much, like, stuff going on.
	Whatever the truth is, we ain't getting access to it.
	Let's go back to the documentary.
	Let me know what you think in the comments and chats, guys.
	It continued to get bigger and bigger, like you were rolling a ball of snow down a hill.
	At the beginning of World War II, By the end, we had fighter jets, super fortress bombers, new technology.
	It was like when radio turned to television.
	A complete shift in focus.
	It turned from bombs, to chemical warfare, to more biological weapons.
	Weapons that could enter and change the mind itself.
	The most dangerous weapon is information.
	It was rumored that the Nazis, near the end of World War II, We're doing research on the minds and behaviors of humans, and that the secrets and answers to that research lied in the German scientists themselves.
	Countries such as China, the Soviet Union, and, through the mission codenamed Operation Paperclip, even the United States took former German scientists and engineers back to their own individual countries.
	The United States was terrified by this.
	The thought of communist countries researching and developing mind-control methods was the worst thing imaginable.
	The idea of being able to brainwash your citizens, or anyone, into believing in the communist agenda, or any agenda for that matter, is an extreme power.
	Of course, the solution to this is to just beat the other side to the finish line.
	And that's exactly what the United States government attempted to do.
	When it talks about something like brain control, it makes me realize that in a sense we are all subject, of course, through media and likely Toxins to forms of control that are not declared or explicit or in fact aren't even considered to be a problem.
	Most of us consume a good deal of information that comes from sanctioned forces that's not...
	For example, there's a few examples that help you to understand this.
	Epstein Island is an extreme example of people being compromised by illicit sexual activity, notably and by rumour, but somewhat we're beginning to understand it at depth.
	Powerful people are compromised sexually so that they can be blackmailed.
	That's basically the deal.
	Would you agree?
	Let me know in the comments and chat.
	But everybody is somewhat compromised by pornography and shame and the fact that we're being titillated and stimulated into concupiscence and lowly behaviours the whole time.
	Have a look at this sort of idea.
	You know, we are what we eat.
	Once we ate what we hunted and foraged, then we ate what we farmed.
	Now, in the post-agricultural and industrial age, we eat industrialised food products, great, vast fields of singular, mono-crops.
	Abattoirs full of slaughtered animals.
	We are the product.
	We are what we eat.
	We too are farmed.
	You know, when you see an animal kept in captivity, it won't live as long as its wild counterpart.
	Well, we are in captivity.
	You could understand that you might be someone like Assange held in Belmarsh, a maximum security prison.
	Then there's B categories.
	I'm using British categorisation systems.
	C category prison, you know, still limitations and significant controls, but there's a little more freedom.
	C category prison, the more regular and ordinary category of prison.
	Then there are open prisons where you're allowed to sort of leave the prison.
	And then there's society itself, where you're imprisoned through a kind of penury, when you're imprisoned through debt, when you're imprisoned through bad information.
	So MKUltra and the programs of mind control that That's what the speculation will go on to, I'm sure, because I know something about this subject.
	Even though that's an extreme example, we're all on the scale.
	We're all on the spectrum.
	Indeed, a civilization or a society, by definition, is a controlled environment.
	All you have to question, then, is what authority is controlling it?
	Is it a divine, benevolent authority, like a loving God?
	Or is it, particularly in a post-secular world, State authority.
	Now, when you hear something like the evil one has captured the world, or the world is evil, like it says in Scripture on numerous occasions, this is the realm and the domain of evil, ruptured and breached occasionally by good.
	glory of nature in its innocence, of course, still bears the hallmark of our Creator.
	But the systems of humankind You shouldn't be.
	You oughtn't be.
	Because what they have to do is banalise the process of evil to sort of semi-quote Hannah Arendt, the Jewish intellectual who commented on Nazi evil at the close of the Second World War and the subsequent Nuremberg trials.
	that evil has to become normal and naturalised.
	You can't have people continually Why would even the idea of labour and work and debt be at the centre of our society?
	Why is usury forbidden numerous times deliberately throughout Scripture?
	And then it goes on to become the basis of our economic system.
	Something that's scripturally forbidden is the basis for our economic model.
	Then continually throughout scripture, there are, let's face it, prohibitions around sexual conduct.
	Well, look at the way that sexuality is treated by our culture.
	It's commodified, it's normalized, it's banalized, while simultaneously deified and reified.
	It's normal to masturbate, it's normal to look at pornography, it's female liberation The fact that it's not a coincidence that these things are being normalized, so the more sort of esoteric kind of conspiracies like MKUltra are just extreme examples of something that's pervasive, ubiquitous, and normal.
	What do I have to say about that, Jake?
	That was a bit of an outburst from me, but that's all I'm paid for.
	Well, yeah, I think it comes down to control.
	It's ultimately...
	And so you've got all these evil forces constantly operating, constantly vying for our attention, our affection, and manipulation, ultimately, to get across the point, whether it's darkness or light.
	And it's a choice.
	So we can hide behind all these things disguising as governments or, like you said earlier in a show, a flag is...
	Ultimately, who gives authority to countries?
	Who gives authority to leaders?
	Ultimately, we're all trying to grab control.
	And there has to be dark powers that are trying to get our souls, our attention, our control.
	Yeah, that's the territory I want to be in, is where we can start to understand scripture somewhat through a modern lens.
	So when it talks about the capture of souls and spirits, that is in scripture, dark principalities.
	And then when I align that with this MNK Ultra story or DMT and potential alternative, deeper, separate, ethereal realities, I start to get a glimpse of how we can manage this conversation, how we can start to direct our understanding of surrender to the spiritual life in our lives.
	In my case, me and Jake's Christian life, and in Isaac's case, through Judaism.
	And, you know, I'm not obviously qualified who is to tell anyone what path they should walk, but the challenge is this.
	When you accept the normalisation of collectives of human beings having the powers of God, whether that's the power to destroy entire countries or imprison lives or decide what gets said and what not, And what cannot be said.
	You're yielding to a diabolical power.
	You're yielding to the fallen.
	You're yielding to brokenness.
	Because I've been reading Samuel at the moment, Jake, it's really interesting to see how, as we've discussed before, Saul for a minute is ordained, even though the Lord seems pretty reluctant to have a king raised up.
	And then Saul pretty quickly squanders that power.
	I mean, I'm sure it's over decades, but it seems pretty quick in Scripture.
	You don't want to take that power.
	He doesn't kill Saul when he's got an opportunity to.
	He puts God first.
	But now I'm at the part in Samuel where David is king.
	It's sort of around the area of Absalom and Bathsheba.
	Is it Bathsheba?
	Bathsheba?
	Yeah.
	I'm sort of getting from that.
	I know you love David and certainly...
	Mustn't he?
	He's got his star on his flag.
	Isaac's an American, a Hispanic American.
	That is very confusing.
	It's very confusing.
	Who are any of us?
	You know, like he.
	What I like about David is he's such a like as rendered in Scripture, such a sincere, earnest person that's brave and courageous, but also seems really subject to fear and really subject.
	And I think we look at things, we talked about it in a previous show, has there ever been a war?
	That hasn't committed a war crime.
	We think perfection.
	We're looking at all these leaders and saying they better be perfect.
	But perfection, one, is not possible.
	And it's not a prerequisite to make you a person that is godly in God's eyes.
	Because you ultimately need Jesus.
	He's the perfection.
	He's the thing that we need to cover up our sins.
	But Saul, God also knew that he was not going to repent at a certain point.
	Like, that's the crazy part.
	Like, the Spirit of God leaves King Saul, and then David obviously made mistakes, but God knew he had a soft heart and he would change his tone.
	He would go back to God and realign with God.
	And that's what all of us have to do.
	There's got to be a point where even in our mistakes, we don't try to like cover up and look a certain way, which I think the.
	But that seems more genuine to me, that we're all going to fail, we're all going to say something stupid, but we have to keep going, I messed up, I've got to get back in line with God.
	To take two examples of that recently, like Karin Jean-Pierre, former White House press secretary, has released a book kind of saying, you know, this is my new take on everything, I'm an independent now, I abandon the Democrats, but it doesn't seem like they're sufficient or significant.
	I'm sorry I spent the last four years lying to you and everything.
	That was messed up.
	Or Jake Tapper with the Biden was in cognitive decline.
	There's never a moment I even watched, you know, I went to the trouble of watching him speaking to Meghan Kelly and he doesn't sort of say...
	I was banging the drum for this dude.
	Like, they're trying not to own culpability.
	You see, like, what's interesting is, like, when you're reading about David, whether it's, like, him, you know, marching near naked and rejoicing, but, like, a sort of, some celebratory moment, or watching Bathsheba and thinking, oh, man, I've got to have that, I've got to have that.
	Like, he's a person that's, like...
	They're human beings like us.
	They're human beings.
	And that's why I suppose the figure of Christ is so stark, because you recognize the humanity of his social...
	On one level, this is a person.
	And then fully and entirely, this is also a divine, holy individual.
	The power of, you know, I think it's very hard for anyone to accept God, actual God.
	Became a baby, walked around, lived a life, didn't go around shazamming and zapping willy-nilly, just like these miracles.
	I love at the end of John when it says, if I were to tell you everything that happened, and I'm not even sure if it means just in the resurrected period, let alone the whole gospel, there wouldn't be enough books in the world to fulfill it.
	You get this sort of glimpse of, of course you get literal rendering of the miraculous in the numerous accounts of miracles.
	But the sense of something that is beyond us, that is completely beyond us and yet visible to us, able to be felt by us.
	We'll be talking more, of course, about, well, ultimately, if you want to know explicitly what it is we're circling, is the limitations of political power.
	Political power is managerial and it's about resource and material.
	Of course, you must be governed and guided by ideals, but the ideals of human beings will be flawed and fallen, whether they're nationalistic, populist, whether they are neoliberal, Marxist, free market, capitalist.
	They've come out of human beings.
	They're going to be flawed.
	We must repent.
	We must turn towards God.
	We must accept Jesus Christ as our Saviour.
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	We're getting into the MK Ultras.
	Where do you think the MK Ultras are operating now?
	They're operating on YouTube, baby!
	You better believe they're embedded in social media.
	You better believe there are social media contributors.
	They're getting their checks straight from the state.
	or maybe indirectly.
	Think of the number of CIA carve-outs that were operating during that heady...
	I know this because it happened to me.
	But CIA carve-outs were making content.
	The deep state is still at work.
	and you know, it's got to be pretty deep, hasn't it?
	We'll be getting into that.
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	I'm talking your crowders.
	I'm talking your Greenwalds.
	That happened while we were away.
	Glenn Greenwald.
	Man, did you see that stuff?
	Some people released sex tapes of Glenn Greenwald.
	Never even watched them.
	Don't look at porn no more.
	Don't look at things like that.
	I don't watch people having it off.
	If I see a pornographic image, I'm sort of like a pearl-clutching maiden aunt now.
	I go, look at that.
	Like if I sort of like on my X feed, it's like...
	That Lily Phillips time, man, when she was walking around with what you might call body butter on her face, what you might call Satan's oatmeal, what you might call nut clench, what you might call winkle milk, what you might call body porridge, what you might call belly worms, whatever you want to call it.
	It weren't right to see it.
	Let's get back into this MKUltra and let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
	Check it.
	Exactly what the United States government attempted to do.
	The CIA was created in September of 1947, just a little over two years after the end of World War II.
	The goal?
	"Gather intelligence, information from both domestic and foreign entities." In a 1951 CIA memo, it expressed: "The need to explore scientific methods for controlling the minds of individuals." The concerns of a Cold War world run by new Soviet mind control and brainwashing technology was an actual and genuine fear of the United States.
	In an early 1950s CIA document, it states: It is possible for a skilled Russian operator to bring about an interrogation, yet leave the subject with no specific recollection of having been interrogated.
	The leverage you have for having this kind of power over other humans, whether they be spies, prisoners of war, or even normal citizens, is almost unrivaled.
	The thing is, this isn't fiction.
	This isn't some made-up conspiracy theory.
	They're confirmed facts.
	In the mid to late 1970s, Over 20,000 CIA documents were released regarding the United States' most illegal undertaking.
	This is the story of how a single government agency planned and attempted to control and alter the minds of those who inhabited the country that they run, how the United States government attempted to develop psychological, biological, and radiological weapons to turn both foreign and domestic spies into sleeper agents, and how it could still be going on today.
	as Project MKUltra.
	And thus, Project MKUltra was born.
	But MKUltra wasn't just one single project.
	Look at it as a web of experiments that were all interconnected with one ultimate goal: Control.
	Project Bluebird, Artichoke, MKSearch, and MKNiomi are just to name a few.
	But it goes much, much further.
	Although it started earlier, MKUltra was officially signed and begun in 1953 under CIA Director Alan Dulles.
	It was one of the largest projects ever known.
	Over 150 sub-projects were created and handled by over 80 different institutions, universities, prisons, pharmaceutical companies, all of which you had little to no idea that they were doing work directly for the CIA.
	However, that didn't stop some of the most creative experiments from taking place.
	Many of these, as you might imagine, were very, very illegal.
	American as well as Canadian citizens were unknowingly and unwillingly tested on.
	Project Artichoke was a sort of continuation of Project Bluebird.
	Both of these projects focused on hypnosis in many forms.
	In a 1975 CIA memo, Artichoke is "the study and/or use of special interrogation methods and techniques." They were looking for ways to control human behavior.
	These methods were to be used for several different reasons, some to protect against foreign spies, some more disturbing than others.
	The goal of the research was best defined in a 1954 CIA memo regarding Project Artichoke.
	It states: Can an individual be made to perform an act of attempted assassination involuntarily under the influence of Artichoke?
	Artichoke eventually evolved into the more well-known MKUltra, and the subprojects of MKUltra attempted to find answers to that very question.
	Subproject 68 is perhaps one of the most illegal of these entire subprojects, but that's not saying much.
	Both American and Canadian citizens were used as test subjects against their will or knowledge.
	At the Allen Memorial Institute in Montreal, Dr. Ewan Cameron would lead one of the most twisted projects of the late 1950s and early 1960s.
	Subproject 68 was fully funded by the CIA, who also paid Dr. Cameron $69,000, or in today's world, nearly $600,000 to carry out secret CIA experiments.
	Dr. Cameron was heavily interested in being able to erase and reprogram the human mind, and the CIA could obviously use that kind of power in many ways.
	These experiments would become so severe and damaging that patients who came into the hospital for symptoms such as minor anxiety and depression would leave with their minds fried.
	They'd experience amnesia, they'd forget how to talk, their brains would be completely wiped, similar to that of a baby.
	Cameron's patients were subject to some of the most mind-altering drugs and methods known to man.
	LSD, electroshock therapy at up to 40 times the normal power, drug-induced comas for extended periods of time, and much, much more.
	Take the case of Linda McDonald, a typical mother who is experiencing the harder parts of being an adult: depression, physical pain, lack of sleep, and so on.
	She visits Montreal to be assessed by Dr. Cameron.
	And almost immediately, he diagnoses her as a schizophrenic and sends her to what is known today as the sleep room.
	And this is where it turns bad.
	Cameron decides to put Linda McDonald into a drug-induced coma for 86 days straight.
	In the sleep room, patients were often subject to this electroshock therapy, multiple times a day for weeks on end, without any consent.
	Linda McDonald was subject to over 100 of these shock therapy sessions.
	As time went on, she went from being able to tell the doctors her name and information about herself to having her brain completely wiped.
	When you hear something like that, it makes me believe that it's really possible, likely, almost inevitable, that the child trafficking stories we hear about half a million kids are missing, we don't know where they are, they're undocumented.
	This is weirdly something that I felt for a long, long time prior to any kind of education or experience in these matters.
	I just felt that the existence of top secret, censored and controlled information was an indication that that category of information was filled with data that if you had access to it, you'd become disobedient and non-compliant.
	But if you knew...
	And also the idea that any organisation that has within its remit those kind of experiments and that kind of morality, that they would be able to be in a position of judgement over other people.
	That's the government.
	I know it's one branch of government, but every single branch of government you scrutinise, you might not find something as extreme as the exploitation of the most vulnerable people in society, but when you look at the Pizzagate stuff we were doing last week, It suggests there's significant evidence that numerous high-powered political and governmental figures, both in the UK and the US, have been involved in pedophilia.
	I mean, that's a matter of course.
	You know, like, when you look at the first layer of Pizzagate, it's a little bit crazy, but when it percolate down a little, it's like, well, that guy was arrested, that guy was arrested, that person was in prison.
	There were these accounts from these people in boys' homes and children's homes and stuff.
	What I'm kind of left with is how is it the legacy media and government agencies are functioning as kind of moral arbiters?
	Like, they're the people that are saying, this is outrageous, this is disgusting, and this is what you should do.
	It's like you cannot, back to the sort of Kubrick point of strange love, you can't grant that amount of power to human beings.
	I guess you're going to have leaders, you're going to have some kind of authority, but it just is demonstrably out of alignment with what those institutions are carrying.
	capable of holding and carrying for people.
	I'm just not at all surprised that, you know, when you hear about the sort of Mengele experiments that the Nazis were carrying out, then you hear that in paperclip top Nazi scientists were working and continued to work in the United States of America.
	Of course, what the content of that experimentation is going to be is like, dark mind control stuff and that weird sexual occultism, drugging people, it doesn't seem like they're catering We're living in a time where it's like maximum transparency for citizens and maximum protection for government.
	It should be the other way around.
	You should be able to know whatever they're doing.
	What's going on in the CIA now?
	Acceptance matters that pertains to national security.
	Shady, man.
	Massey, I see you nodding along, mate.
	What are you saying?
	You say grant the government that level of authority, but I don't think we ever do grant them that level of authority.
	I think the fact that we agree to the social contract, which is a contract I never signed.
	So I don't know how they can use that term contract.
	I think the fact that they...
	I didn't agree with being governed at any point, but I've been told my entire life that the government is in charge and I was programmed for that when going to school.
	They make the idea of mind control seem crazy and yet the government wants to control what the news is.
	Why do they do that?
	because they want to control how you behave, which is mind control.
	By using a term like mind control, like you were saying at the beginning, they make this thing as crazy and out there sounding as possible.
	But really, the fact that we even grant them, because we grant it to them, this authority proves that mind control works, and the government's easily the biggest perpetrators of that.
	And the fact that there's hidden mind control, as well as the stuff in plain view.
	The stuff in plain view is way worse than the stuff they're hiding.
	It's like my friend always used to say to me, Why would I ever believe the Why would I need that conspiracy theory to be true when stuff that the US government does in plain sight is way worse?
	Invasion of Iraq, all that kind of stuff.
	Government mind control, I think it's just par for the course.
	You should be able to opt out.
	I used to fantasise about this also, that you could just say, "I'm not a part of that no more.
	I'm not doing it." You know, I'm not paying the taxes.
	I'm not doing anything.
	We're going to set up here.
	They go, well, this is our dominion and our territory.
	They never move faster than when you start saying, we're not paying your taxes, we're out.
	We're going to set up our own.
	I guess, like, cryptocurrency is terrifying because there could be parallel economies that are not subject to taxation.
	The online space is terrifying because there's the potential for communication that they can't control or sanction.
	Once the technology exists for alternative models, they have to create conditions of terror so that that technology isn't used.
	Well, I don't want nothing to do with it.
	If you want, have war over there, fund that war, do you want?
	But I'm opting out.
	We're going to live in this separate, sovereign territory where we live like this.
	Watch how fast, man.
	Democrat, Republican, they'll wipe you out.
	What are you saying, Jake?
	No, just, I mean, you can go in a rabbit hole about conspiracy theories, but about, like, electricity actually being able to have it for free, but they can't give it to you for free because you've got to pay for it.
	That way they can have control over it.
	That way you can connect all your devices to something they have power on that they can cut the power off.
	And you don't know how to do anything.
	So like everything from water, I mean, think about back in the day, like bottled water, the concept of bottled water would have seemed crazy to people.
	We're going to sell water in these bottles.
	And now that's just everybody, whatever they can control through finance.
	And also the fact that the reason we drink bold water is because we all tacitly understand it's poisonous.
	The government water will be full of fraud.
	You don't want your children drinking it.
	You don't want it on your body.
	I mean, we've just accepted that.
	Can't drink that.
	It's poisonous.
	That's completely unnecessary.
	They've normalized such extreme and malevolent behavior.
	We're kind of living in a bizarre, suspended reality already.
	I like your point there, Massey.
	I don't know, man.
	I guess the reason that Christianity excites me is because of a true, explicit, cultist.
	And he talked about the old pagan gods.
	And he talked about how when people would enter into mines, they would leave a sacrifice in the mines.
	You know, they're found in archaeological digs.
	All of these sacrifices that if you're going to extract tin from the soil, you leave a sacrifice.
	If you're going to kill and hunt an animal like in Avatar, you do a little prayer or whatever.
	You know, the idea of debt.
	Is built into us somehow.
	We know that we're in debt.
	And an unpaid debt creates guilt.
	And the pact, the covenant of Christ is you can't repay that debt, but it's okay.
	It's repaid.
	It's repaid.
	I take it all on.
	If you enter into this covenant, which is I repent, I turn away, I'm not going to worship the world's gods anymore.
	I'm not going to do that.
	I'm going to worship you, and how we know that I worship you is because I have faith in you in this unseen world.
	In this unseen world, I will behave in these ways.
	I will be kind.
	I will be patient.
	the fruits of the spirit type stuff.
	And the idea of trying to navigate this world without that clarity, just based on stuff that I reckon, like stuff that I reckon, no wonder I tend to heroin or porn or sex or whatever, It doesn't make sense out here without that.
	Well, to Massey's point about, like, letting the government do these kinds of experiments and these kinds of things, I don't think we do.
	Also, like Massey says, I don't think we do let them do it.
	I think they hide behind budgets.
	I think they hide behind, you know, career people in the CIA or in these organizations that don't have term limits like the president does, you know?
	I've always had this thought that, like, do they really tell the president every little thing that they're doing?
	I doubt it.
	I think that these people are protecting their own butts.
	They're doing what they want to do.
	And they hide behind a budget, a line item that says, you know, like what Doge found out, right?
	Trans, whatever.
	I heard that the CIA, it's so diffuse that there's actually no one person that knows everything that's going on.
	It's dislocated.
	Really, again, makes me feel that there's some sort of perforating, percolating, evanescent evil seeping upwards through these organisations.
	There's not sort of one central figure organising it.
	It's like networked evil that can be sort of concealed because there's no deliberate, clear accountability.
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	doctors her name and information about herself to having her brain completely wiped.
	In a 1998 documentary, she states...
	I was a vegetable.
	I had no identity.
	I had no memory.
	I'd never existed in the world before.
	Like a baby.
	Just like a baby that has to be toilet trained.
	She eventually was dismissed from the hospital and went back home to her family.
	She was dismissed from the hospital and went back home to her family.
	However, she had no recollection of these people, or even knowledge that these people were even her own family in the first place.
	This isn't the only case that happened at the Allen Institute, though.
	Plus they're doing all that mad euthanasia stuff there, aren't they?
	What do they call it?
	Made?
	They're trying to make it sound sort of friendly.
	Medically assisted suicide.
	Induced death.
	But those kind of interests, they don't disappear.
	There's been no reckoning on that.
	There's been no Nuremberg trials on MKUltra.
	There's been no, like, right, we're not doing that anymore.
	Like, we were just talking conversational about Karen Jean-Pierre and Jake Tapper.
	Pretty innocuous examples, sort of comparing them to the Nazis.
	But, like, there's been no point where we've gone, like, look, That was mad what we were doing.
	We're not going to do that anymore.
	I want a different type of relationship with government.
	I've always intuitively felt it.
	I don't want to be told what to do.
	I don't want to be controlled in that way by forces that I don't trust.
	Our own morality, our own ethics, our own inborn decency.
	Firstly, they double down on the shame and brokenness we all feel to make us kind of inept and able to be manipulated.
	And then they offer you, like, this is what you have to do this week.
	whether it's whatever cause, whatever ideal they want to promote to the forefront.
	To your point, Isaac, about these sort of concealed and permanent bureaucratic states, I noted that the vessel for There are all these kind of peculiarly permanent authorities that are not subject to the edicts of democracy that can't be changed, that can't be reached, and they're making extraordinary decisions.
	And now, because of independent media, you're able to get something like the WEF.
	You know, the only people that were talking about that were like David Icke and Alex Jones.
	So all they have to do is say Alex Jones is a lunatic, David Icke is a lunatic, you don't need to worry about anything they're saying.
	Turns out now that WF is a pretty peculiar little outlet, that the WHO has extraordinary origins, that NATO's taken diabolical liberties and sort of ushered in a potential new geopolitical disaster based on authority that none of us have granted them.
	Various other cases took place.
	In many cases, patients would be recorded during therapy sessions talking about their families, or other people, or things that would bring them negative thoughts or have negative impacts on their life.
	These negative messages would then be cut up and played on repeat for these patients, sometimes over hundreds of thousands of times.
	This exact thing happened to Robert Logie.
	He was admitted to the Institute for a leg pain, they thought it was all on his head, and he was then sent to the sleep room.
	He was given LSD every two days, sometimes mixed with other drugs.
	And then, while in a drug-induced coma, the message "You killed your mother" was repeated to him for 23 days straight.
	These experiments would take place on all ages, from children to old men and women.
	It's an experimental new therapy we're doing.
	You're gonna be going to the sleep room, you're gonna be given LSD, and then we're gonna tell you that you killed your mother.
	Side effects may include we drag you off to the sleep room.
	Let's look at some of the organisations that are involved.
	Big Pharma, CIA, compliant media.
	When something happens like the pandemic era, which we're still sort of like emerging from, why an earthquake?
	How on earth could we grant them the authority that they were demanding?
	Look at the techniques they used.
	They tried to shame people.
	You're killing your grandmother.
	Take the vaccine.
	Try to assure you.
	And even like now, because information moves so quickly, we're discovering, hold on a minute, they were not effective.
	I die.
	Like this is extraordinary that you're not able to actually reach the epiphany that would suggest itself, which is never trust them again.
	Disobey.
	Absolutely.
	Complete and total non-compliance.
	And even as a person has some affection for people that are in this version of the American government, you know, nominally, of course, Bobby Kennedy, Dr. Oz, people, because I happen to know them and admire them.
	The truth is, I don't want anyone telling me what to do, whether I like them or not.
	I want to run our own lives based on the morality and ethics that...
	These are not things that need to be instituted at the level of government that are probably, to some degree or another, throughout history, they've been generating and doubling down on fear in order to legitimise authority.
	Just lately we've had such candid and clear examples of it that have made it difficult to ignore the problems approaching crisis levels.
	But my hope is that it's going to lead to some event.
	Because now that you have a different type of government in this country that's not a neoliberal government, whatever it is, whether you like it or not, it's not what was going on before.
	It is a significant shift.
	People perhaps will recognise that the change needs to be beyond political.
	Yeah, I mean, that's the hope.
	I think cognitive dissonance is a real battle for people.
	I think all the people that made the call and put all their chips in the wrong basket, for them to go, even like a Jake Tapper or the examples, I mean, it should be okay for someone to go.
	Man, I got caught up in it and I was wrong.
	That would take some humility.
	And I think they would rather double down on their mistakes or pivot a little bit, you know, but still stay in line with what they built their whole case for than to just say, yeah, I was wrong.
	In British politics, I don't know if it's the same in your country, but sometimes you'll get people when they leave office, you know, like they're, say if it's someone that's in government, then their government loses an election.
	Sometimes you see their next speech.
	They seem like really nice people.
	It's like if they've been unplugged from the Matrix.
	They're like, oh yeah, I don't know, man, it's great.
	You think, oh, where's that person?
	That's the sort of person I'm, like, that's the way an institution functions almost.
	I'm increasingly thinking that it might be somehow metaphysical, spiritually literal, that we are plugged into something that is preventing us from reaching the adjacent, in fact, ever-present truth.
	I think that the only way to hack it is baptism and surrender to the Holy Power.
	What are you saying, Luke?
	Yeah, I mean, I see what Jake's saying.
	And it's like...
	And at least for me, if I have friends, if there's people that I know, if they're willing to say, hey, I was wrong, I shouldn't have done that, but this is what I'm doing now, I'm like, cool, I trust you now.
	So I don't understand why there's this inability to function in that way in politics, because at least for me, whether it would be Democrat or right, left, whatever, I would feel more inclined to trust the person that would do that.
	So it's interesting that there's just no ability to do that, at least in politics right now.
	The 12 steps gives you a perfect model for that in steps 8 and 9. Step 8 is you make a list of people you have harmed and become willing to make amends to them all.
	So you make the list without the idea in your head that you're going to go and approach people because I think if you have that idea in your head you won't even make the list.
	I can't talk to that person.
	I can't apologise to my stepdad or whatever.
	You make the list.
	And become willing.
	Like these people, I've hurt these people.
	My conduct has hurt these people.
	I'm willing to make amends.
	Then step nine, it says you make amends unless to do so would injure them or others.
	You don't apologise to people if you had sort of an adulterous affair that was not disclosed, for example, I suppose.
	But then it gives some guidance on how to do an apology.
	And it's actually sort of surprisingly difficult When you take a step nine, it's like you're drawing a sacred chalk circle on the floor that the two of you enter into when you say these words.
	As you know, I'm an addict, an alcoholic.
	I'm in recovery from my addiction.
	Part of my recovery is I have to make amends to people that I have wronged.
	I have wronged you, and I owe you an amends.
	I did this.
	I shouldn't have done that.
	I should have done this.
	I did this.
	I shouldn't have done that.
	I should have done this.
	I did this.
	I shouldn't have done that.
	I should have done this.
	Is there anything else that I've neglected to mention that you would like to bring up?
	Then you suggest like an appropriate amend.
	If there's a financial component, you obviously remedy and resolve that.
	One of the things that's sort of strongly suggested is you don't try to justify your behaviour.
	You don't go, the reason was this, though, and because that happened, and it wasn't my fault, and that happened, because that's not part of it.
	And they make very clear that you're not even actually...
	It's not for the person.
	It's for you.
	It's for you and God to get back on the right page.
	In fact, the word amend, as you can sort of hear, is like you are amending your trajectory through life.
	So you don't have to live in the wreckage of the past and the obvious errors that anyone makes while moving through life.
	In our culture, there is no room for forgiveness.
	Perhaps that's why people that are adherent to it, are adherents to the culture, can't do it.
	But, like, their cultural model doesn't permit them to say, I can't believe that I was participating in that.
	It was really, really wrong.
	I'm so sorry.
	I shouldn't have done that.
	I was caught up in my career.
	The culture tells you that all that matters is what you are and what you earn.
	That would be justifying it.
	They wouldn't even let you do that in 12 steps.
	But, like, you know, I was worshipping a false god.
	I was worshipping a false god.
	I didn't worship the god of love and of peace and of service.
	I was worshipping self.
	We've all done it.
	What would you do if Starmer got up and he said, "Hi, I watched this video and it showed me on both sides of multiple issues and I've come to realize that I'm insecure and I don't even know who I am and I'm trying to be better." And I'm trying to surround myself with wiser people who can help me with whatever time I have in authority to make the best decisions possible.
	Would that make you go, I hate that guy?
	I think I'd exhale.
	I mean, even hearing you say it, it felt like sort of like a weight coming off my chest, like I felt when I left the UK.
	Like once I got on a Delta airplane, I felt like, ah!
	I felt like a stiletto was being taken off my chest.
	To hear someone in authority talk with authenticity, even though those words must have the same etymology, is such anathema to me.
	Aren't we all just praying for that?
	That someone's going to say, I'm so sorry what I did.
	I'm so sorry.
	I shouldn't have done that.
	We're waiting for that apology, and that apology is not forthcoming because their power is based on deception.
	So they can't do that.
	I mean, someone like Tony Blair, who's not been in the 40s, or George W. Bush, you know, so it's non-partisan.
	They're not...
	No one's actually gone, that Iraq war, man, that was crazy.
	I'm so sorry about that.
	We lied to you about that.
	We lied our way into that war.
	They can't let go because it's their faith.
	It's their religion.
	It's kind of an apostasy.
	If Keir Starmer simply apologised, how could you not forgive him?
	We're forgiven.
	How can you not forgive him?
	Who among us can set ourselves up as a high tribunal?
	Who among us is without sin?
	Who among us has not lied or said things because it was convenient or appropriate to say it to get a job or not to lose a job or whatever?
	Of course, brokenness and sin.
	I feel grateful to have this 12-step program, and particularly since it's got turbocharged by Christ, because I feel like I've...
	What do we do?
	I did it.
	This is why I did it.
	I did it for these rooms.
	Well, you owe an amends.
	So when, like, particularly obviously as I'm a person who faces untrue allegations, I'm able to go, huh, well, I didn't do that.
	I live a transparent and authentic life.
	But if you think about it, we're all in some weird Epstein Island dynamic of like, oh my God, if people really knew me, if they knew the things I'd do when I'm on my own in my room, if they knew the things I've said.
	You know, I've still got things like, you know, when I'm like impatient with my kids or whatever, like every single day I'm making mistakes.
	But because of a program and because of a spiritual life, I feel forgiven and I know.
	That I haven't done things that I've been accused of doing.
	And it gives me a kind of a sort of clarity and a sort of sense of, well, while all this bewildering chaos is swirling around, I, through fealty and loyalty to the only person that can take my clinging, will withstand it.
	The culture can't take it.
	Look at what the culture does.
	The culture will happily find a way to legitimise, yeah, we've got many ill people and wiped their brains, and, you know, this is the stuff that we know.
	And what do they do?
	They lie about that and make you confused and uncertain and discredit people who talk about it publicly.
	Imagine, if this is what we know about, imagine what we don't know about.
	I know that you would hear stuff that would make you go, oh, my God!
	It would radicalise you.
	It would radicalise you overnight.
	So sometimes I think that's what you should become.
	You should become the person.
	Because you better believe that it's personally affected you.
	There'll be people in your own family, in your own lives that have been impacted by it.
	I still have friends whose businesses were destroyed in COVID.
	They don't ever talk about it in those terms.
	They don't ever go thinking about it.
	Things were going all right before COVID and then my restaurants all got fucked up or my business got fucked up.
	It's like, that was...
	Disable a massive sector of the population, generate a wealth transfer, legitimise authority, increase surveillance.
	You know, these are the people.
	This is their moral barometer.
	Keir Starmer, we've just seen Keir Starmer prevaricate.
	I'll never speak to the Sun newspaper.
	I'm giving an interview in the Sun.
	A woman is a person with a uterus.
	A woman's a person who says that.
	They're lucky to say whatever they need to say to manage their way through their conduits of power.
	But it's still, yeah, as you say.
	They have to be forgiven.
	They need to be forgiven.
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	Many of the children at this institute were the victims of abuse, and in one case, one of the children were filmed performing sexual acts with multiple government officials as a plot to secure funding for these experiments.
	Cameron died in 1967 without anyone in the public knowing about what he had been doing for the past decade.
	Subproject 54 studied techniques to cause concussions and other brain-damaging experiments.
	It was supposed to be handled by the United States Navy.
	Why?
	Well, the project was to use sub-oral frequency blasts to cause concussions.
	And although the program was supposedly never carried out, there is still some evidence that might show some kind of work being done.
	In the hearings before the Subcommittee on Health and Scientific Research in late September 1977, there's a passage that caught my eye.
	While talking about funding from various institutes across the country, Dr. Geschichter, a CIA employee, mentioned something interesting.
	He first notes about a study on concussions, where heads of animals were repeatedly rocked back and forth in order to cause a concussion, and then further amnesia.
	Next, however, is more interesting.
	There was apparently a later business, whatever that may be, that through the use of radar, was attempting to put monkeys to sleep.
	A senator present at the meeting asked, could they?
	As Dr. Geschichter states, yes, they could.
	He goes on to say that, So basically, the CIA was using radio and electromagnetic signals to attempt to put monkeys and other animals to sleep.
	And they could.
	Not only that, but they could almost literally cook an animal's brain to the point to where they would go brain dead.
	And in some cases, even die.
	Now, I don't know about you, but if this could work on monkeys and supposedly other animals as well, I would imagine that this very experiment took place with human subjects as well.
	The problem is, after this hearing, I couldn't find any other papers or documents that even remotely talked about this sleep experiment.
	An experiment that seems to have succeeded was washed away and never mentioned again, and the mystery of Subproject 54 fades away.
	At this point not much is out of the question when it comes to the links the CIA would go to in order to conduct their experiments The reason why there's no information is because they're still doing it.
	They're still doing it to people.
	All the stuff that we got are all experiments that have been put to bed.
	But this one is probably one that's still going.
	This one where we can cook people's brains.
	Let's keep going with that.
	I like that.
	Good start.
	Good start.
	Keep going.
	Yeah, I think you're right, man.
	I think you're right.
	I think if you could imagine it, they would probably do it.
	I used to say...
	Yes.
	If they are doing it, would you know about it?
	No.
	So you could almost just fast forward to the bit where, oh yeah, I bet they are fucking babies and like sipping the old adrenochrome.
	This seems sort of plausible, likely, almost inevitable.
	It's good.
	I hope you're including when you put this out like this.
	We should have us around the screen watching it because like Massey looks like he's in a MKUltra experiment just fucking watching it.
	If any of us Have been involved in MKUltra?
	I think it's Massey.
	I agree.
	People say, what about me?
	I could have been Katy Perry's handler.
	You could have been.
	I've seen those tattoos.
	People will say, Russell, what do you know?
	Because you knew Katy Perry.
	I see that everywhere on social media.
	I know.
	I'd like to know a bit more about the spaceship.
	It is interesting because even with Katy Perry, it's like you were married to her and that still seems foreign to me.
	Knowing you, that seems like a completely different world knowing the man Russell Brand.
	Well, you know, the first, oh man, when you are able to start dating people that are really famous, it's pretty exciting.
	It's like, whoa, this is unbelievable to be able to go from the kind of, well, firstly, I didn't feel super attractive when I was a kid, but I was obsessed with women, like I suppose most people might be.
	And when I got to be right famous and suddenly this floodgate of availability and possibility happens, then you sort of re-naturalise to it and think, well, something in you saying knows about the idea of marriage, I think, that you want some bond and union and deeper love with someone, but you don't know how to make that I was kind of in a wilderness.
	So when I met her in New York, I met Katy Perry and Donald Trump on the same day.
	So that was an interesting day.
	What a day.
	What a day.
	Trump, Katy Perry, it's all going off.
	I was up Trump Tower.
	I was hosting the MTV Awards.
	She threw a bottle at my head from across the room and I knew it was love.
	It was a plastic bottle.
	So it could have been love.
	It could have been concussion.
	What if that was an MKUltra tactic in the bottle to cause a concussion and then they had you for a little while and then you came out of it?
	Wait a minute.
	I think we're onto something.
	Was I in an MKUltra concussion for like five years?
	That's what the documentary said.
	No wonder I did that voice in Arthur!
	I was in MKUltra concussion!
	I should have spoken at the lower register.
	Instead of speaking like that for the...
	I ruined that movie!
	Poor Dudley Moore!
	What was I thinking?
	Dudley!
	Oh, man.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	MKUltra.
	I suppose you maybe wouldn't know if you were in it.
	Yeah, that's the whole point.
	Right, that's the whole point of it.
	Well, look, what I used to say about the Illuminati and stuff is I know they wouldn't have me, because when I've met people that were super famous when I was famous, many of them had this kind of reaction.
	Easy, easy, like sort of, I think they could tell, this guy's a loose cannon.
	Operation Midnight Climax was kept relatively a secret up until the mid-1970s, in cities such as San Francisco, California, and New York City.
	CIA-funded safe houses were built for one specific reason: prostitution.
	Well, not exactly that, but prostitutes did have a large role in this operation.
	These safe houses were often hotel rooms, but not just any normal hotel room.
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	Here's a little clip from our video on Musk and Trump.
	We didn't notice it so much with Jobes, as he's called Steve Jobs.
	Check it out.
	You have to watch the full show to get that reference because he was ensconced within his own genius and within corporatism, commercialism and entrepreneurialism.
	We don't notice it as much either with Bezos because he similarly is content to operate primarily within economic spheres.
	Musk has exactly the kind of trickster energy that I've described.
	He operates in liminal spaces.

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