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The Real Story of Civilization—and Why They’ve Buried It | Randall Carlson - SF595
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Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brand.
Action.
Russell Brand.
Controversial conspiracy theorist.
Trying to bring real journalism to the American people.
Hello there, you Awakening Wonders.
Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
Randall Carlson's coming up on the show a little later.
Randall Carlson is an archaeologist, anthropologist, and for me, a great storyteller when it comes to deep time and deep history and understanding alternative perspectives.
What do we believe?
Why do we believe it?
What is our epistemology?
Where are the cracks and fissures and fractures in that epistemology?
Before we get into that, thank you Tim Cass for the raid.
Thank you Crowder and Mug Club for the raid.
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Before we get into this conversation with Randall Carlson, I wanted to have a look at this.
Look at Australia's peculiar reversal when it comes to COVID jabs and COVID vaccination recommendation.
There's been some great work being done at the HHS.
Bobby Kennedy has conducted a mass clear out of the CDC.
But as we continue to understand the pandemic period more...
Let's have a look at that and then I'll be back with Randall Carlson.
See you in a second.
Australia has admitted that when it comes to COVID vaccines, the harms outweigh the good for young people.
Took your time, didn't you?
If you've been watching Rumble during the pandemic period, you would have been well aware that you shouldn't take those vaccines, even at the time when it would have been relevant.
Nevertheless, it's worth looking at these stories now, because we can use it as a kind of litmus test when it comes to information we're currently receiving, and the likelihood that it can't be relied on.
Certainly you can't rely on the sources that they use, which include Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, nearly every single living president of the United States, lined up behind a syringe in order to tell you what to do.
Let's remind ourselves of that.
Our fellow Americans.
Right now the COVID-19 vaccines are available to millions of Americans.
And soon?
The science is clear.
These vaccines will protect you and those you love from this dangerous and deadly disease.
Anytime there is a cross-party alliance, it's worth examining what their motives might be.
They're playing with harmonious music as if this is a lovely opportunity for generalized unity, but in all likelihood, what you've got is the full force of the establishment coming together to ensure maximum efficiency.
They could save your life.
So we urge you to get vaccinated when it's available to you.
That's the first step to ending the pandemic and moving our country forward.
It's up to you.
So there you go.
That was consensus.
A consensus across the political spectrum and across the world that the vaccines were safe and effective and if you didn't take them you should be publicly shamed.
There may be a tremendous effort to get you to forget that.
But remember, there's video evidence.
This reporting is from John Fleetwood in Substack about Australia's reversal of its recommendations that young people should continue to take the jab.
In a quiet but historic reversal, the Australian government has officially updated its national immunisation guidance to state that healthy individuals under 18 years old should not receive COVID-19 injections, citing potential harms.
According to the government's own website, the COVID-19 vaccine is not recommended for healthy infants, children or adolescents who do not have medical conditions that increase their risk of severe illness.
The update cites the extremely low risk of severe illness in this age group, Here is a medicine.
It may be advantageous if you have particular respiratory or cardiological conditions.
If you are young and generally healthy, you don't need the vaccine.
Now, saying that a few years ago would have been tantamount to these days saying, I don't know, men shouldn't participate in women's sports, or you can't have a moral and ethical system of government if you don't believe in God because there are no absolute verifiable principles, just conjecture and consensus derived either from masses or an intellectual elite, neither of which you can trust.
So, what I want you to focus on during this video is not just what we know now, but what we don't know now but might yet assume.
An extraordinary yet recent period of massive radical change, authoritarianism, media deception and wealth transfer.
The recommendation published on the 3rd of June 2025 marks a stunning shift from earlier public health campaigns that heavily promoted COVID jabs for nearly all Australians, including children.
The admission follows mounting international concern over adverse events tied to COVID.
Now, another significant establishment voice was, of course, Anthony Fauci, and whilst he might be currently vilified and under investigation, whether that's a sort of a media investigation or an official governmental one, here he is in his pomp, in his prime with Barack Obama telling you what to do for your safety, for your health.
Thanks to the work of the Biden administration, Dr. Fauci, we already have...
Talk to somebody you trust, your family doctor, your pediatrician, a school nurse.
Get more information about it.
They'll tell you it's safe, it's effective.
Under what authority were they telling you that at the time?
Under what authority?
How could they possibly have known something that's demonstrably now untrue?
So what was their motivation in telling you that at the time?
This is this vaccine is tailored for kids.
And now we know the harms outweigh the benefits.
So what personal responsibility does Barack Obama and Anthony Fauci bear?
Certainly they'd have been happy to take the credit when it was record numbers of people getting vaccinations and we're returning to schools.
Think about all the celebrities that lined up.
Remember them.
Of course, if your theological purview includes forgiveness, then grant them forgiveness.
But forgiveness on the basis of repentance, that forgiveness is based on turning away from the old life.
Do you think that Barack Obama and Anthony Fauci have taken...
Then come on down and find a spot to get vaccinated.
You can get it for free just by going to vaccine.gov.
It'll tell you exactly where you can go to get vaccinated and, you know, make sure to do it, as you said, for your kids, your entire family, as well as for the community at large.
And I think we should probably tell Barack Obama and Anthony Fauci exactly where to go.
Let me know in the comments and chat exactly where that might be.
Now, the FDA have updated their guidance when it comes to Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.
Have a look at this.
In Fox 5 Health News, the FDA now requires COVID vaccine makers to expand the warning about rare heart diseases and risks linked to the shots.
All right, joining us now with Dr. Porvie Parikh, Clinical Assistant Professor of Infectious Diseases and Immunology at NYU Langone.
She has done research with the Pfizer vaccine, by the way, worth noting.
All right, walk us through what these warning labels now say in the update that the FDA is requiring.
Right.
So, you know, this is a rare side effect of both the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, myocarditis or pericarditis, which is inflammation in your heart.
And currently, that label is already there.
So Pfizer's vaccine says that the risk is highest in males age 12 to 17, and Moderna says that the risk is highest in males 18 to 24. So essentially what the FDA wants is kind of to combine the two and then, you know, label it for that risk to be from, you know, Age 12 all the way through 24. So it kind of encompasses both of their warning labels, if that makes sense.
Yeah.
I think give us some context in terms of how rare this might be.
What kind of risk are we talking about?
Right.
So in the grand scheme of things, you know, if you were to get infected with the actual COVID virus.
Your risk for myocarditis or pericarditis would be significantly more, and we see that significantly more, you know, as much as twice as likely, and some studies even go so far to say four or five times as likely.
So, again, this is extremely rare in a very specific age group, and there's also ways to mitigate that risk.
For example, by spacing out vaccine doses, sometimes they're less likely to get that inflammation.
But still, for the general public, the risk is extremely low, Excellent framing of the information.
Remember, the function of the media is to frame information in a manner that is convenient to the agenda of the powerful.
Let's continue with the article.
U.S. CDC data shows that 38,600 deaths have been linked to the COVID jab since 2020, but fewer than 1% of adverse events are even reported.
As a 2010 HHS-funded Harvard analysis suggests, the real number could exceed 3.8 million.
Do you remember some of the...
The hysterical and marginal prognoses that emerged during that period.
Unusual men like Steve Kirsch coming forth to tell you that there could be millions of people worldwide affected by this.
And remember thinking, this can't be true, this can't be right.
But have a look at these numbers, do a little bit of maths, and it seems likely, given the way that information is currently being released, that they were right.
Pfizer's own data showed over 1,200 negative health outcomes associated with their mRNA COVID shot.
Australia's updated guidance comes just days after US Health and Human Services What the COVID period revealed is that elites regard humanity as a kind of homogenous blob,
that there isn't time to be discerning about whether pregnant women or young children should take the vaccine and how that research could ever have been undertaken.
Pregnant women don't generally present themselves for clinical trials.
It's just common sense, as a matter of fact.
But beyond the common sense are deeper diagnosis of the relationship between the governed and the governing.
And what's revealed is they will tell you whatever they need to tell you in order to get you to behave how they want you to behave.
they will always tend towards maximisation of state authority and profitability for corporate and commercial interests.
That's without getting into any possible accomplishments.
That stuff is difficult to corroborate.
What's not difficult to corroborate is they lied at scale.
They're even now trying to roll back the deception and lies that covered the earth during that period of time.
Sending out a variety of people to create a sort of a state of bewilderment.
Oh, we didn't know this.
We could have known that.
Was Joe Biden really senile?
Will we ever know?
in order to create really just a climate of generalised confusion in which it's difficult to make the sort of diagnosis that were bleeding obvious to anyone switched on pretty near the beginning of this process.
The near-simultaneous reversals by two Western governments underscore a growing international retreat from universal COVID vaccination, at least for so-called low-risk populations.
The good news, at least in the United States of America, For example, these changes within the CDC.
RFK has removed all members of a CDC panel advising the US on vaccines.
Also, he said, Today we are taking a bold step in restoring public trust by totally reconstituting the Advisory Committee for Immunisation Practices.
A clean sweep is necessary to re-establish public confidence in vaccine science.
The entire world once looked to American health regulators for guidance, inspiration, scientific impartiality and unimpeachable integrity.
Public trust is eroded.
Only through radical transparency and gold standard science can we earn it.
Now, whilst Kash Patel's interview with Joe Rogan may have garnered a lot of scrutiny as a result of the apparent Bongino and Kash Patel reversal when it comes to the Epstein files, he had some interesting things to say about Fauci.
Have a look at this.
I mean, we just had a great breakthrough this week on Fauci.
So, Senator Rand Paul, Senator Kennedy, and I hate naming names because I always forget people, are doing a great job with us on COVID origins.
And we've got multiple investigations open on that.
But they had always been looking for Fauci's original phone, or not original, but phones and devices he used while he was Fauci back in Trump one during COVID.
And nobody had found it.
Till two days ago.
Really?
Yeah.
Now look, your audience and everybody listening to it should jump to the conclusion, everything's in there.
We'll look at it, we'll pull it, we'll rip it as we say, and maybe it's deleted, maybe it's not.
But at least we found it, and at least now we can tell the American people we've been looking, because it is of public importance to figure out, did that guy lie?
The challenge is this.
Even if you're an anti-establishment political figure, when you become part of the establishment, then where does your anti-establishmentism go then?
The function of the system, I suppose, is ultimately its own sustenance.
So what we're observing unfolding now is a world recognizing that they have to acknowledge there was a lot of deception and ineptitude during the pandemic period.
Potentially, the entire thing in extremis might be regarded as a plan to legitimize mass authoritarianism and potentially even some of the more peripheral theories around population control.
But now, various systems of power have to conduct the contradictory task of revealing information that undermines their legitimacy while holding on to their authority.
This is going to be a complicated...
There will be revelations, but not to the detriment of the system itself.
Ultimately, I suppose what we have to conclude is that we must remain personally discerning, never trust authority, and I would suggest investigate together the potential for parallel economies, ecologies, and political systems.
But that's just what I think.
Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.
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Randall Carlson, thank you so much for joining us today.
Thanks for having me, Russell.
I'm sure it's going to be fun.
The reason I've been so excited to speak with you is because we live in this sort of blizzard of perpetual present, this kind of ongoing amnesia, where when you're making content, as I do, that's somewhat based on current affairs, what our current affairs on Thursday by Friday seem irrelevant, even if it seems sort of seismic in a pocal for about half an hour, there's sort of endless, relentless...
And I know from watching your content that you sort of are a student of, expert on, and educator on deep time.
and I, there's a kind of archetypal topography that I need to understand at depth.
It feels like we're in a unique and...
I wonder, Randall, if there are times when you're looking at your feed, if you do such things, when you're looking at this sort of bewildering present and see patterns, archetypes, a kind of sublime geometry that could guide us.
Yes, I kind of feel like we're poised on an inflection point of history right now because so many things, trends that have been evolving for years.
Right.
Holocene is the geological epoch in which we find ourselves right now.
It followed upon the Pleistocene, which was about two and a half million years.
What characterized the Pleistocene from the previous epoch was there was a major shift in the global climate regime.
And one of the manifestations of that shift was this oscillation between glacial age and interglacial age.
We're now in an interglacial age that has lasted about 11,600 years, according to the latest data, which is the longest we see any period of interglacial climatic regime over the past roughly quarter million years,
which I find interesting, because if you look at all of the patterns of the evolution of civilization, What we find is civilizations arise, at least our modern incarnation of civilization arises in that interval of relatively stable climate, which is in very marked contrast to what has preceded us.
So we've got Homo sapiens sapiens, us, the last man surviving, the last man standing, if you will, of what, 14 different species of hominids?
That have also inhabited this planet, many of them alongside us.
They're all gone.
We're the last ones.
We're the last hominids.
We've built our civilization within this window.
We see, if we go back between 8,000 and 10,000 years ago, we see the shift from nomadic to sedentary lifestyles, the onset of agriculture, the dispersion of languages, the domestication of animals, the first appearance of urban complexes.
So generally, history and historians have looked at this as the beginning of the awkward arc of history, preceded by millennia of history, Essentially, no evolution of civilization at all.
A savage existence, hunter-gatherers.
But there may be a different model now.
The model now may be that, and there's evidence to support this, that the model now suggests that all of these things that we've seen developing through the Holocene is actually more realistically portrayed as a reboot or a reset.
And I think we're realizing that there's a lot deeper, more complex story of our species on this planet than had previously been assumed by academia, scholars, scientists, and so on.
So we're in this point now where we have these technological capabilities at our disposal.
And it's everything, really it began in the 20th century with the advent of aerial photography.
Suddenly we had this broadened perspective of this world that we live in.
And we started seeing things that no one could see previous to that because we're too small, too close.
Whereas once you get a higher perspective, you can begin to see these other things.
So then that's evolved.
Then, of course, now we have satellite surveys.
We have digital elevation models.
We have ground-penetrating radar.
We have LIDAR.
What is happening is it's revealing to us a story that's engraved, if you want to use that term, engraved into the literal surface of the planet.
It's been sitting there for thousands of years, undetected, unseen, because we're too small and it's too grand.
Now we are in a position where we can begin to see the big picture.
And what it's disclosing to us is vastly different.
Pageant of events than we had previously assumed.
And we have to now be open to the possibility that there may have been other civilizations.
We know there have been civilizations.
We know that the Bronze Age civilizations collapsed.
We know that there were, in fact, two phases.
Early Bronze Age, late Bronze Age, right?
But there may have been civilizations that preceded the Holocene.
And this is a very contentious idea.
There may have been civilizations.
In fact, I go so far as to say there probably was civilizations that have been completely lost to history.
And the reason they've been lost to history, again, is because of these intervals of concentrated change within the continuum of global change.
We've been in a position now where we've got going 10,000 years of relatively stable climate.
And now we're able to build...
And look how far we've come just in the last three to four hundred years since the scientific revolution.
How far we've come in the last century.
I was born mid-century, 1951.
No computers, right?
No presence in space at all.
None at all.
When my grandfather was born in the 1890s, cars were just being invented.
You know, we had...
In the late 1800s compared to the 20th century, and how far we've come in simply 100 years.
Now, when you think about it in that context, is it not possible that in the duration of hundreds, hundreds of millennia that we modern humans have been occupying this planet, we could have had 300 years, 500 years, where we created something resembling civilization?
Certainly possible.
We have to be open to that possibility.
And there are traditions, of course, from all over the world, and I'm sure you're familiar with some of these traditions, there are traditions from all over the world that suggest there was a former order of existence.
And it doesn't matter really what you call it, whether it's Atlantis or Hyperborea or Shangri-La or any of the dozens of terms that have come down to us about this universal tradition of there being an earlier order.
Of the ages, where there was a different, if you will, order of civilization.
But what we know now, that we didn't know even 25 years to 50 years ago, a generation or two ago, is what happens during these interruptions of the continuum, and how drastically, dramatically, and even violently sometimes the order of nature is upended, and then in the aftermath there's a completely different order of nature.
And the obvious example of that is the transition out of the Ice Age, which used to be when I was learning about the Ice Age as a kid in the 50s and 60s, the belief was that the Ice Age was something that was tens of thousands of years to form, tens of thousands of years to get out of, into our present environment.
With the advent of radiocarbon dating and optically stimulated luminescence and all of these new dating technologies, we know now that it's happened way, way quicker than anybody had imagined.
That creates a problem.
The problem is, in order to melt the amount of glacial ice that was overlaid on the continents back, let's say, 12,000 to 20,000 years ago, that takes energy.
It takes a lot of energy.
The estimates are maybe 6 million cubic miles of ice.
That's over North America and over Northwestern Europe.
As a result of that ice forming, sea levels dropped 400 feet.
What happens when sea levels drop?
Coastlines migrate.
In some cases, tens of miles, 50 or even 100 miles because of the shallow continental shelves, right?
Six million cubic miles of ice.
You've got 400-foot lowered sea level.
Oops, there's a...
It looked like an epiphany from here, Randall.
look like sort of luminescent beings, celestial entities visiting you even now.
I'm sitting here at...
I can hear you, but in a sense, it's like one of those glacial moments is occurring before our eyes.
There is a major storm blowing over right now.
The thunder is rumbling.
My brother called about 20 minutes ago.
He was on the north side of town to warn me that there was a front moving in.
So that's what's going on.
My power has gone off and on about three times sitting here.
And now it's saying I have no signal.
Damn it.
Okay.
Well, Randall, you've retreated into a vortex, but I can hear you very clearly, and as we resume our connection, I'll just, as best as I can, render what I've understood so far.
Civilizations form in stable periods.
What can be measured and registered as our ability to read our environment increases suggests that we've been living in a highly reduced and perhaps even deliberately reductive appraisal of anthropological history, perhaps deliberately rendering civilization according to the lens that we currently have, due to a kind of shared myopia, an inability to even discern what might have once been...
masked by six million cubic feet of ice, a world unrecognisable to the one that we inhabit now.
One of the questions that emerged during that beautiful monologue for me, Randall, is how likely it is that there, within our epistemology, that there are pockets of esotericism that are not shared because were we to gain access to the,
it might make us less likely to submit to the tyrants of the present, as well as seeing a kind of fraternity amongst us across time that would belittle and even maybe negate the sort of senseless tribalism that defines our species.
Do you think that there are kind of concealed hermeneutics that would change the way that we see reality?
I feel that inflection point.
I feel like we're on the precipice of some awakening, like on the edge of sneeze or the edge of orgasm.
Like there's something waiting to be born, something waiting to puncture and pierce from outside of time.
What are the suggestions that there could be some difficult to corroborate but nevertheless puncture?
Well, I think there's multiple traditions about, you know, esoteric knowledge being handed down through various venues.
and I think that's a part of it because there are ages of oppression and then there are ages of enlightenment during the ages of oppression sometimes the I use the analogy of a subterranean river, a great river that's flowing underground.
And from time to time, that river will breach the surface and flow over the surface.
And then it'll find some opening and it goes back underground.
And I think there is a river, a great river, a tradition of knowledge that has been handed down.
I think that the evidence for that is pretty overwhelming.
And there are various orders and groups that I think have been misinterpreted and had projections of what their purpose in existence was.
And what that has done is it's, we're in one of those times now where I think we can look at some of those traditions and reevaluate what their role has been in our own history.
I'll cite probably one of the more well-known beliefs.
And there's a lot of misinformation about Freemasons going around the internet now.
And really, when you look into it, it's just, you know, they've got two things that they do primarily.
Charitable work, and they're the custodians of a vast body of symbolism.
That body of symbolism tells a very important story, and from my reading of that symbolism, it's telling us some of the same, it's a parallel story to the thing I'm just describing, that there is this long-term view of history, that there are cycles of change, and this is an important concept.
Are these episodes of change random, or are they cyclical?
Is there a periodicity to them that could make them somewhat predictable?
The answer, I think, is most definitely yes, there is a cyclicity to them.
Not precise like to today, like you can say, oh, on January 12th, such a year, the world's going to end.
But certainly within an epoch, if you want to put it that way.
And I would define an epoch, not in a geological sense, but a span of time of perhaps a millennia or two.
And within that window, it's likely that...
And when we look back, I've done a lot of work on this, trying to correlate the great upheavals, natural upheavals in Earth history and correlate those with larger astronomical cycles.
And what it seems is that there's two modes of change that are juxtaposed on one another.
And these modes of change...
But the random change is juxtaposed on a more periodic change.
And once you know how to kind of tease them apart, you can begin to see, okay, there's a regularity here.
And over here, there seems to be a randomness.
And if we had my visual, I would pull up and show you examples, which is really disappointing here.
Do you think we can get our visual back?
Should we try and reboot it, Randall?
I think it would be worth a try.
Let's have a go.
Okay, I'm gonna shut down and reboot.
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It's so much nicer being able to see you.
I know.
When you were just assigned, that was, I don't know, I think it lost something.
I didn't realize that there was a strong aesthetic component to your work, but it turns out there is.
Yeah, you know, that's one of my strong traits.
As I tell people, you know, I'm known far and wide for my luscious hair.
And that's always part of creating the proper, Maybe you should do a calendar for charity, like sort of Randall Carlson.
Springtime, Randall, in Christmas.
Summertime, with you as a sort of green man.
Various sort of images of you.
I wouldn't have thought until you weren't there and I couldn't look at you.
I didn't realise how important looking at you was.
One of the main things I was getting from what you were talking about is like these custodians of deep truths, hieroglyphs and important symbols and sigils.
And I suppose what I'm interested in is how it relates to power.
How esotericism and power converge.
How knowledge and concealed knowledge is being observed.
I've become Christian recently.
I'm reading a lot of scripture.
I'm fascinated by how the kind of talk, how the discussions of the nature of evil in scripture aligns with more contemporary talk of occultism and satanic ritual online.
And I wonder in your rather more academic and considered appraisal, there is if you see a kind of a continuum or parallels when it comes to these civilized, You know, particularly when you're hearing these days about child sacrifice.
You know, Randall, well, it gets kind of salacious and stuff.
I wonder where in your work those areas, if those areas converge.
Wow, okay, that's a handful, but...
because if they did, you wouldn't be able to control the narrative, which I think that's a huge part of the strategy at present, is we want to control what people think.
Because if you look at reality through a certain lens, that lens will filter things out.
And I think our whole education system is oriented around indoctrinating us into a worldview.
And if that worldview begins to crack or fracture along any fault line, it could spell the end of the whole world.
the whole model that has been created and inculcated literally, you know, for most of the 20th century now, since the government began to control education, it certainly has accelerated in the last few decades, particularly where, you know, as I look at education, I'm seeing people turning out that no way would have even graduated.
You know, when I was, you know, And it's degenerated since then, in my opinion.
And the whole issue of the theological questions.
I'm a man of the Spirit.
I believe that there is a greater intelligence, that it is not a meaningless creation, that it's just a random happening.
However, when I get into that realm, you know, I'm so overwhelmed by the majesty and power and extent of creation, as I understand it, that I'm almost...
So I kind of like have to definitely rein it in to the point where, okay, I got to function on a day-to-day basis.
And, you know, I've been through a lot of various...
Even going back to my teenage years, I saw things that instantly transformed me over one weekend from basically being a budding juvenile delinquent to being on a quest for God.
Over those years, I've explored, I've studied with Brahmin priests, I've studied with Himalayan swamis, with whirling dervishes, I've read extensively in the world's spiritual literature, I've gone, you know, explored deeply into Eastern philosophy, then kind of circled back to looking at the Western spiritual traditions.
I have found a tremendous font of knowledge and wisdom and insight in Christianity.
Leaning towards early Christianity than I am the later organized version of it.
I feel like if you get too much into the outer parameters of it, you might miss the inner core, the inner tradition.
I don't look at Christianity in isolation from the rest of the world's great traditions.
I believe God works through many venues.
To reveal himself, herself, however you want to characterize.
I think God is beyond those kind of characterizations.
However, I do think that Christianity is a very special dispensation relevant to our own times.
And from my studies, which are limited compared to some, but my studies would suggest that wisdom of the ages was basically embedded in Codified in, updated in the modern advent of Christianity.
I find these archetypes that are playing out through the whole Christian tradition, prevalent in many other traditions that go back thousands of years before Christianity.
But I see Christianity as being sort of an update.
if you will, that was suitable for the times of 2,000 years ago.
And now it could be updated again, given what we now know about our position on the planet, in the solar system, in the universe, and so on.
So from my standpoint, I think that there is a deep roots into the ancient mystery tradition that for me was necessary to accept Christianity as being a unique personality
And so one of the things that really that I discovered, and you probably know this term gematria or gematria, which is that, you know, in the Semitic languages, and the Old Testament was written in Hebrew and the New Testament was written in Greek, as you know.
So both of those languages preceded the advent of the Hindu-Arabic numeral system.
So both languages...
So one of the things I discovered, and this goes back to the 70s and the 80s when I was researching various traditions, was that when you look at the literal stories of the Bible, that underlying those, I think there's a whole doctrine of scientific knowledge.
There's epistemological, ontological, eschatological.
It's all there in great detail.
And I don't think we would have a chance to get into that today because I'm not prepared to do it.
But if you want to have a follow-up conversation, I'd love to show you some of the extraordinary scientific knowledge that I think is encoded in the original languages of Scripture.
I do want that.
Of course I want that.
Of course, anything that's translative or interpretive when it comes to Scripture potentially can become quite controversial.
And as a recent Christian, one of the aspects of it that seems significant to me is this kind of willing self-subjugation, self-sacrifice, and this new position of obedience, which when I was in a previous personal incarnation of Spirit,
Spiritual exploration allowed me to stay at the very centre of a variety of beliefs, which did include psychedelic experimentation and some personal peripatetic learning.
What's been interesting since coming to Christ is there's a few things that probably one of the few people in the world I could probably launch at in the unbridled manner that I'm about to.
When in the protean, the undifferentiated super state, one might encounter all sorts of phenomena, demonic and difficult to discern, difficult to appreciate and understand and abide amongst.
I felt when dealing with the shamanic that I was attempting to handle the living flow.
You referred earlier in our conversation to a subterranean river, the living flow, the living water.
The two images that presented themselves to me recently in Costa Rica, whilst I was not under any psychedelic influence at all, was the image of the bridge and the image of the cross or crucifix.
Crucifix.
I have teachers that are druidic and shamanic and are able to deal with the undifferentiated and handle it, hold it, abide within it.
I don't appear to have that facility.
I need to be held to account on the crucifix and live in the frequency of the covenant of the man-god, fully man, augur, harbinger, and bringer of these new frequencies by coming into flesh, coming into carnation, through the blood entering.
into the spirit, this sort of elemental design and this elemental, what do I want to say, sort of new rubric established through the sacrifice in the coming together.
I personally, close to the edge of insanity.
I just want to give one illustrative example of what I'm trying to describe because I know I'm saying, like, I'm using a lot of language, I'm bandying about a lot of terms here, but sometimes I just try to create a silhouette.
I can.
A polysyllabic silhouette, Randall, that I know you'll be able to discern the shape emerging magnetically out from the molecules.
Just recently I heard that in these new intravenous DMT experimentations, they're putting their subjects under MRI, and some of the entities that are being encountered in these DMT IV states are asking, what's going on with the MRI?
What's going on with the scanning?
Who's doing that scanning?
When I heard this, I thought about the numerous times I've encountered mentally ill people who say things along the line.
Indeed, it's a cultural cliche.
Where else do we get the expression aluminum foil hat or in my language, tin foil hat?
Mentally ill people often believe that their thoughts are being intercepted, interceded and observed by entities, often in alignment with the government.
It occurred to me just recently when thinking about MKUltra and the various experiments that took place with psychedelics and experimentation on mentally ill people, that potentially there's a clandestine and secondary history, even with recent events such as this.
That potentially the reason that mentally ill people who glitch and are outside of the main circuitry sense that there may be entities observing them is because there are, that potentially government collusion with entities, secondary entities and secondary beings and phenomena might include the establishment of connections, psychic connections and psychic communes that people that are not bound by the sort of conventional
perspective, who haven't been cloistered and narrativised by the mainstream and by the dominant frequency, sense and in Isn't part of madness the sense that on the edge of your understanding is another world?
Doesn't Christ continually talk about daemons, entities, beings, that which can't be understood?
Aren't we continually instructed to seek first the kingdom of God, to embrace the ever-present heaven, the atemporal, aspatial, a-manifest?
Reality that's accessible to us through our consciousness that's somehow disrupted, disturbed and diluted by the senses, not enhanced, although I suppose you could make a case for the glory of nature can bring us closer to the supernatural.
I suppose that's a sort of a pagan claim, but certainly not one without legitimacy.
So what I suppose I'm saying is that somehow in Christ I felt the collapse from the super state of potentiality into something particular, the cross.
I need the horizontal and the vertical.
I need the man-god to come and to die to instantiate a new frequency that I can live within, because I don't do well in the chaos.
That's not to say that some people can't, but my absolute faith in Christ has come about because in this surrender, something becomes available to me that was not previously available somehow.
It's not dampened my curiosity about...
That's the kind of ethereal esotericism and the sort of citadels as yet unvisited that may yet be real.
But it's just I'm...
I could end up adrift in the Limitless quite easily, as that last announcement potentially demonstrated.
Well, wow.
lot to respond to there you know I guess I came from a I don't know what your growing up background was.
We had property on a lake.
Some of my early memories being seven years old, I'm sitting on a fallen down tree over the lake catching fish.
So I felt like I grew up around farms.
My dad wasn't a farmer.
He was a house builder.
I grew up around farms, spent all my time on farms.
I was very close to that, you know, the food cycle, the agricultural cycle.
That was my whole youth, essentially.
And so I felt like it gave me kind of a grounding into things.
I mean, I have very early memories being six, seven years old, being out with my dad.
You know, learning to identify Orion, learning to identify the Big Dipper, the North Star, learning how to navigate.
You know, if you get lost and you're at night, you can always find the North.
So, I mean, I knew that stuff at seven, eight years old, rural Minnesota.
And I feel like...
if you will.
By becoming disconnected from nature, we've sort of become disconnected from the creator.
So we have the creator, we have creation, which is, to me, God's handiwork, which is filled with insights and lessons and knowledge and wisdom that we're losing because we've become an urbanized civilization.
And so many young people now that I know could not have never, I know people who are of college age, in their 20s, who've never seen the Milky Way galaxy, who've never stood out there in a rural area, And that's missing.
I think that that's going to be detrimental to our species if we become disconnected from the creation.
Because for me, I look at the creation and it's like a great manuscript.
Which is talking to us, which is teaching us.
And it's a direct message from the higher power, the higher creative power, that created this incredible confluence of things that makes it possible for you and I to sit here having this conversation.
If we shift the parameters, even in the slightest, all this goes away.
I mean, the whole...
And you might say that my roots of spirituality became teleological at some point in the 70s where I began to think that the creator has hidden his wisdom in the creation that we are a part of.
And so for me, it's like reading the sacred writings of old, but also then reading.
And this is what led me essentially, I guess, into this great eschatological framework of thinking, which is that there have been convulsions of nature, and oftentimes our theological perspectives If we go back to 1908, the Tunguska event, the great explosion over Siberia, are you aware of that story?
No.
1908, probably a piece of a comet flew in over Tunguska, Siberia, and it exploded with the force of a 15 megaton.
Hydrogen bomb.
It completely flattened over 800 square miles of old-growth Tiaga Forest.
And the people who witnessed that, it launched a whole new religion.
out of that event.
They believed that it was God descending to earth to punish them for their transgressions.
Of course, the scientific view is it's The controversy now, was it an asteroid or a piece of a comet?
I lean towards it being a piece of the comet.
And the reason is because it happened on June 30th.
And on June 30th, the Earth is going through an ancient meteor stream called the Taurid stream.
Takes its name from Taurus the bull, because if you go out on the night of June 30th, or better yet, go out on Halloween.
Because we crossed this stream twice, once in late June, early July, and the other late October, early November.
Coincidentally, the fall-time peak of the Torrid Meteor Shower falls right on Halloween, and it falls on the All Souls, All Saints Day, and All Hallows' Eve.
those three days actually are the peak of the torrid meteor shower, which is a very ancient meteor shower.
It's very possible that, in the past, in fact, it's accepted by a lot of astronomers who study this, that in the past, the torrid meteor stream was exponentially more active than it is now in its younger state, and would have caused phenomena that people would have witnessed that would have looked
supernatural, cosmic in a sense, and may have influenced people's beliefs, particularly along eschatological lines, you know, the end of the world kind of thing, you know, which is what the The holy city descends from God out of heaven.
Now, one of the things, and I would assume that you would probably be very interested, but what I've done is like, for example, there's a very specific document.
What is the Holy City?
Well, we don't know specifically, but it's described essentially as a cube.
The city lieth four square, and the length, the height, and the breadth of it are equal.
12,000 furlongs.
Well, right there, it gives you enough information that you can kind of, in a way, kind of reverse engineer the model.
So that's what I've attempted to do with limited success.
But there's definitely...
Once you get into it, you realize that what it's doing is it's guiding you into the realm of geometry.
And then, of course, now you get into the Keplerian worldview that God geometrizes, that the creation of the universe is a work of geometry, and God is envisioned in that model as a great geometrician or a great architect who designed and created the universe.
I find that intellectually satisfying.
And one reason I couldn't come to any sense of organized religion too much was because I felt like too much was taken on faith, and it was ignoring the power of reason, which I believed to be an endowment from God.
We were created in an image of God, and that includes our power to think, to reason.
And so I wanted something in my spirituality that I could...
That was compatible with my sense of reason.
When I discovered that there were these deeper layers to religion, to specifically Christianity, well, that was very eye-opening for me and very inspiring.
And that kind of, in a sense, allowed me to come to Christianity with a more scientific perspective and then realize there's deeper knowledge here.
There's deeper knowledge here that has scientific vindication and validation.
And that led me into it.
Because before that, it seemed to me, oh, people go to church, they quote the Bible, they have no concept of what's in it, they walk out of church, they go back to their lives.
For me, if a spirituality is meaningful, it has to be something that's everyday.
It's not something you go into an organized institution for a couple hours each week.
I'm not condemning that.
I'm just saying that that in itself, to me, is not enough.
You know, to me, yes, we've got the holy books.
You know, I've got right next to me here, I've got, let me show you this, right next to me, keep this next to me.
I don't know if you can see this.
That's the interlinear Hebrew-English Old Testament.
I've also got the Hebrew, the interlinear Greek New Testament.
So what I do is I...
It means, I'll show you, it means that what you've got here is you've got here the Hebrew on one line and the English next to it.
See that?
Yes.
And then I've got my dictionaries here of the Semitic languages.
And so I go through, and I'm a novice at this, I admit.
But I've seen enough by going back to the original languages that these sacred writings were composed in, that there are deeper layers of meaning that for me, and having a scientific worldview, appeals to me immensely.
And without which, I would have some problems embracing this as a belief system.
It's obvious that parochialism will always inhibit the efficacy of language in a way that geometry mathematics and music can access the absolute the eternal can exist outside of the kind of localism and restrictions that we're obviously discerning, but what I suppose is Randall that's troubling me somewhat even though I'm really sort of excited to listen to you is that when we
certainly spiritual claims, perhaps more simply and more broadly.
There are, it seems to me at least, dogmas within reason and rationalism that curiously and paradoxically lead to assumptions that one would never tolerate in a theological realm.
That through reason and assumption we end up, I would say, observably and demonstrably
I feel that through reason, through the sort of the great gifts of rationalism, the instruments of magnification, like we've arrived at a point where through translating and interpreting that which might be best yielded to faith, we have kind of colonised.
See, I like what you said about teleology, as if there is some imperative, as if there is some forward motion.
But in this kind of sort of intrepid nature of our kind, there's been this colonisation of the of of the gnome.
And what I feel is that perhaps in faith.
faith best understood through our ascent and the ascent of our belief, we enter into a state where we may receive a wisdom that's outside of the realm of that,
Well, this is difficult to corroborate.
Let's discard it.
This we can verify.
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