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Who’s Controlling the Narrative? Iran, Epstein, and the Fight Over Women’s Sports – SF552

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	Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	It's going to be a fantastic show.
	We're talking about women's sports.
	There's no such thing as a woman.
	There's no such thing as a sport.
	The whole of reality is a game.
	We'll be talking about that and we'll also be talking about Thomas Massey.
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	Okay.
	Let's get into today's first story.
	Are there such thing as women's?
	And are there such thing as women's sports?
	Women's?
	Is that them with the eyes on their chests?
	Yes, I've seen them.
	I've seen them around.
	The United States has two genders, but does globalism have an agenda that will continue with Trump in the White House?
	How many genders are there?
	Some people say two.
	Some say a multitude.
	Some say that love itself has to be the absolute priority.
	And if you experience love in all your interactions and are willing to whisper heaven into the material realm, you will always find the right course and the right...
	One positive thing that's emerging as a result of the growing power of online commentators are conversations between surprising people, notably and specifically in this instance, Charlie Kirk and Gavin Newsom.
	Many of you will have absolutely dismissed Gavin Newsom as a kind of joker without the makeup style figure, a kind of power-hungry old-school dem simply looking for new ways to assert power.
	But in his conversation with Charlie Kirk, he took the astonishing position that women's sports should be for...
	I remember my perspective being ordered slightly.
	Well, I think it was Ted Cruz who said, why have women's sports at all?
	Why is it a category?
	And I think that's brilliant.
	And if trans women are women, what is a trans woman?
	There are certain questions that have emerged now that help us to navigate our way through the space.
	My contribution, I hope, is that I would always use whatever pronoun, name, or title people asked of me, and I would always look to non-judgment and love as the principles towards which I ought bias when in doubt.
	Let's have a look, first of all, at Gavin Newsom's conversation with Charlie Kirk before seeing what they believe over on The View.
	I'll tell you what they believe on The View, whatever they're told to believe that particular...
	It's like you right now should come out and be like, you know what?
	The young man who's about to win the state championship in the long jump in female sports, that shouldn't happen.
	That's real peer pressure from Charlie Kirk there.
	You should come out right now.
	Wait, what?
	What do you mean?
	I mean, come out and say that women's sports are for women.
	But you as the governor should step out and say no.
	No, and I appreciate it.
	But like, would you do something like that?
	Would you say no men in female sports?
	Well, I think it's an issue of fairness.
	I completely agree with you on that.
	So that's easy to call out, the unfairness of that.
	So I suppose that is Gavin Newsom, a figure of the left, breaking ranks and saying he believes that women's sport should be.
	Do you think that Gavin Newsom there, let me know in the comments in chat, is taking a moral position or a politically expedient position?
	Do you think that Gavin Newsom's change of harm is because he has radically ordered his perspective?
	Or do you think that Gavin Newsom is lobbying for a new position as a potential leader in the...
	Barren wastelands of the decimated Democrat Party.
	There's also a humility and a grace that these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression.
	And the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with as well.
	So both things I can hold in my hand.
	How can we address this issue with the kind of decency?
	That I think, you know, is inherent in you, but not always expressed.
	That's interesting.
	Well, that's going to really good places.
	I reckon those are the kind of conversations I want to see more of.
	Let me know in the comments in chat if you agree with that.
	Certainly it had a degree of integrity and authenticity that you're unlikely to find around the ovum table on daytime television.
	Over at The View, let's see their conversation with Dylan Mulvaney now and how they tackle the same idea.
	And when I say the word tackle, I'm not being saucy.
	Last week, California governor Gavin Newsom said that he thinks that trans athletes competing in girls and women's sports was deeply unfair.
	Now, I think actually that Whoopi Goldberg's delivery style has become a little bit self-parodying.
	Because you do know that there's a, surely, sport is about physical excellence combined with mental acuity.
	Anyone that's met a truly excellent athlete will recognise the deep intelligence.
	You need only look at Mike Tyson!
	Throwing a dart into a bullseye while blindfolded to know that even the kind of force and power that accompanies pugilistic excellence must be allied with great intelligence to see that.
	But here, with Dylan Mulvaney on the panel, Whoopi Goldberg appears to be taking a contrary position.
	I'd love to hear how that unfurls.
	I want to hear what you say, because I... I'll tell you what I think, too.
	The last time I played a sport, I was six years old, and I was on a soccer team, but I assigned myself as the nurse.
	So I sat with the band-aids.
	And so, in the words of Wicked, I am not that girl.
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	But a dear friend of mine, Skylar, he is a trans athlete.
	His handle's Pink Manta Ray.
	That's someone who I really look to for guidance.
	And I think that is what's tricky is like now stepping in this identity.
	I'm still like a baby trans.
	I get it.
	But that example is a...
	Female to male transition.
	And if these words are offensive, it's certainly not a deliberate attempt to be offensive.
	It's me trying to untangle something that seems kind of complex and is generally presumed natural and also biblically ascribed as natural.
	I agree with Gavin Newsom, though, that love is the ultimate principle, that whatever you think about sports, you should never let truth outrun love.
	But if what you're having is a running competition, you should never let men outrun women while claiming to be women.
	That seems reasonable, doesn't it?
	So if a former male transitions to female, there are not concomitant and accompanying biochemical advantages, specifically testosterone, that are accompanying that change.
	Ultimately, what people are addressing is the kind of unfairness...
	That South Park so brilliantly explored in the Randy...
	The Randy Savage episode.
	Did you see that?
	I'm going to...
	But if you're putting yourself at a disadvantage, I mean, yeah.
	I think about it myself.
	People often like to say the top 100 tennis players would beat Venus Williams or the best junior soccer teams would beat women.
	But that goes both ways.
	I'm a jiu-jitsu purple belt, but I don't fancy my chances against Gina Carano.
	She would mess me up.
	No, do not explore that psychological avenue, Russell.
	That is the old you.
	You are a broken man and you are going to do better.
	But the point of it is, is that there are all sorts of different abilities, but when you're dealing with absolute excellence, you need the biochemical advantage that...
	In the case of male versus female, a male is afforded.
	So even there, Dylan Mulvaney's answer is a little contrarian, I would offer, because she uses a female to male athlete to make the point.
	You know, I've only three years in, tomorrow's my anniversary.
	I mean, look, I do think, I was a weird kid.
	And I recognise when people grow up feeling weird or strange or outside or whatever term you want to use, that when you come into yourself, that is glorious.
	And one of the ways you might come into yourself is by becoming trans.
	But I reckon it's not a statistically significant portion of the population.
	But that minority that it affects, I agree, ought be loved and supported.
	But the principle of love and support you would apply to anyone, like anyone, anywhere.
	In any condition, there aren't certain causes that warrant compassion and others that don't.
	They all do!
	Female to male.
	I think that what you've learned there is that the View audience has been coached into applauding certain issues.
	And when people talk about, like, the sort of silos in a culture, that's part of it, isn't it?
	If Dylan Mulvaney said that on the Fox 5, she wouldn't get that response.
	Until we have a world where Dylan Mulvaney will come on this show and we can speak openly and lovingly, we can't begin to improve.
	So in the spirit of Charlie Kirk and Gavin Newsom, Dylan Mulvaney, come on.
	Let's have a conversation because I am a person that's...
	Completely open and compassionate to all forms of expression.
	That Jesus Christ loves all of us, all of us, without exception.
	And that love is the answer.
	Truth must not be allowed to outrun love.
	But love cannot abandon truth.
	And it's competing with other males.
	Correct.
	No.
	Yes.
	Her friend.
	Her friend went from female to male and is competing with other males.
	So Gavin doesn't have a problem with that.
	No, well, I think part of the problem that the trans community is facing, and it's the same problem that women face.
	Whoopi Goldberg got Gandhi there on her t-shirt.
	Ultimately, the kind of woke values that Whoopi is advocating for will extract and annihilate even Gandhi.
	You can go on a variety of video platform sites right now, and I'd suggest you use Rumble, and find people saying, Gandhi, he was a freak!
	He slept in a bed with his daughter!
	Like, Gandhi ain't even perfect.
	We're reaching the point where Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Mother Terrain, all of the greats are being just cast out.
	And I wonder what Gandhi, a crusader for truth...
	An opponent of imperialism and colonialism and a lover of God.
	A man willing to write to Adolf Hitler and say, you are possibly the only person in the world that can prevent world war right now.
	That kind of spirit of endeavor and intrepidness and interrogation that was in Gandhi has been reduced to a logo on a t-shirt.
	It has to be more than a logo on a t-shirt.
	It has to be a message that's deep in your heart.
	If you don't know anything about our bodies, you don't know how it works.
	So when you come in and you say, I don't think that is the assumption, actually.
	That's a straw man argument, or a straw woman argument, or a straw trans argument.
	The argument is, in absolute excellence...
	The smallest margins and most infinitesimal variables become hugely significant.
	That's why you get someone like that, Lance Armstrong, was that his name?
	Like refueling his blood, more oxygenated to get an edge on other cyclists, like nipping behind a head.
	If like putting more oxygen in your blood makes a difference, what difference does bone density and testosterone make in excellence?
	When it comes to something like pilots, I think that you should adjust society to the point where the kind of economic disadvantages experienced by African Americans There's no reason why across a moderate but high consequence profession like piloting, there shouldn't be more representation from females.
	I don't think that's the absolute upper echelons of excellence.
	But sport is, and also it's combat and conflict.
	So in a way, you've got to have common sense, but you can't have common sense without some agreed-upon principles.
	And those agreed-upon principles have to include things like...
	A man and a woman are biologically different.
	And if you abandon that, you're deliberately creating a nihilistic wasteland where everyone feels bewildered and confused.
	And isn't it ironic and ridiculous that it was the Olympic ceremony where we saw that bewilderment practiced at large, even though they then subsequently claimed, well, that's not what we meant.
	We weren't trying to desecrate Christ by having trans people licking a smurf.
	We did that out of respect.
	You have to, you can...
	Be who you want to be, but not at the expense of all reality.
	Have you seen female athletes?
	They know what they're doing.
	I don't think even Dylan Mulvaney agrees with that.
	I think even Dylan Mulvaney would recognize...
	Say, we mentioned Mike Tyson earlier.
	Mike Tyson, whose excellence in hand-eye coordination, let alone what he achieved as a professional athlete, has certain...
	Let's call them biological advantages, but he is in extreme.
	He has those advantages over everyone, more or less, in his prime, literally everyone in the world.
	That included men and women.
	To even go against someone that's in that top tier, you have to, you can't, otherwise wouldn't...
	Otherwise you would get rid of the categories altogether, wouldn't you?
	Why are there no female Premier League or indeed professional football players?
	And why has no female footballer ever gotten so good as to warrant, listen, just let her play with everyone.
	That happens.
	Do you know when that happens?
	Pre-puberty.
	My daughter plays soccer against boys in mixed groups because she's prepubescent.
	So prior to puberty, it actually doesn't matter.
	Puberty means some things.
	It means adulthood, consent, sexuality, you know, consent in conjunction with the law, of course, and it means certain different advantages.
	Ignoring that and annihilating that, I think...
	It does ultimately lead to those extraordinary conversations where people start talking about children being able to, you know, like paedophilia is just a lifestyle choice.
	Part of it is bewilderment.
	Part of it is about engendering a state of bewilderment.
	You're claiming that what you're doing is supporting the needs of the vulnerable.
	Well, I think it's possible to do both.
	I would support anyone's right to be who they are.
	I'll call anyone anything they want me to call them.
	And I respect and love individuals, trans, non-trans, everyone, because I'm a Christian and because I'm trying my best to be a good person.
	But that doesn't mean there are no categories for anything and that there is no God and there is no nature and we can all just make everything up as we go along.
	But I see who benefits from that mindset.
	Established power.
	Benefits from that because it creates confusion and bafflement and bewilderment and in chaos, the powerful ascend.
	So I'm not sure what's going on or why this is an issue.
	The same for me as when people say, oh, you know, I don't know how I feel about you.
	You do.
	God doesn't make mistakes.
	The point is...
	Absolute elite female athletes are only as good as less elite male athletes.
	That's totally demonstrable.
	You can show that in the top-ranking tennis teams and football teams.
	It's not about ordinary folk, actually.
	It's about a generalized advantage.
	I don't know that you would tolerate...
	A 15-year-old girl playing sports against 5-year-old boys because you'd think the 15-year-old girl's got a disadvantage.
	It just happens that in the instance of elite athletes, it's a male versus female.
	And also, I suppose it's difficult because there is a male supremacy there.
	But it's not male supremacy.
	It's strength and speed supremacy.
	and in general strength and speed in the upper echelons of excellence are male traits.
	But me against Gina Carano, the speed and excellence is with Gina Carano, so I'd be at a disadvantage.
	These are extraordinarily revealing arguments and it was only by using assertive and oppressive censorship that we didn't reach obvious conclusions more quickly.
	I don't know how I feel about you.
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	You do.
	God doesn't make mistakes.
	That's a really important claim because now the claim is being made that God is being expressed through the actions of an individual and a culture.
	Now all religious groups and mystics at some point come near to making that claim.
	That's why you have to check continually for these principles.
	Duty.
	Sacrifice.
	Because...
	Sacrifice is not about suffering, but suffering is often a consequence of sacrifice because in sacrifice we acknowledge there's something more important than ourselves.
	So if someone isn't making sacrifice while simultaneously claiming they're acting on behalf of some god, they probably are not, or at least possibly are not.
	And the challenge is not to the trans people, it's to the people who are not trans.
	That's what God is looking to see, how you treat people.
	Hopefully over the course of this video you've seen two things.
	One, that new media can tackle complex conversations far more adeptly than...
	Old media, i.e.
	Gavin Newsom talking to Charlie Kirk's a lot more interesting than Whoopi Goldberg talking to Dylan Mulvaney.
	And Dylan Mulvaney, come on here.
	Whoopi Goldberg, come on here.
	I mean the show, Jesus.
	I like this, what I'm trying to say.
	Let me, I should clear up any mess there.
	Ah, this is getting worse, this euphemism.
	My point is this, that old media, with its allegiances to ideas that are ultimately tending towards globalism and corporate control, can't afford two vital things, conversation, transparency, and honesty.
	And that's why the trans issue for so long created so many casualties, ridiculously among them.
	Brilliant people like Graham Linehan or J.K. Rowling, people that were just trying to authentically speak sense.
	But that's just what I think.
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	A victory for Trump was a victory for free speech!
	Right?
	There are few people in Congress whom we could openly advocate for and say that they are transparent, authentic, and stand by their principles.
	One such name is Thomas Massey, who has consistently spoken out against the type of interests that get people in a lot of trouble.
	Whether you are pro-Israel or anti-Israel, surely you agree that Thomas Massey is a principled politician who speaks not as a result of biases, lobbying, and donor money, Generally speaking, anti-corporate beliefs.
	Now, Thomas Massey has voted against a bill that Trump is pushing through that...
	Some are interpreting as being pro-war and advantageous, potentially, I don't know, to Israel.
	Is that what this is about?
	In any event, Massey and Rand Paul, both of Kentucky, have voted against it.
	Let me know in the comments and chat if you want politicians that are willing to stand up for what they believe in, or do you believe that unity, as Donald Trump himself says in a Truth Social post, is the most important thing?
	And let me know if you feel that Trump is governing out of alignment with the way that he campaigned and breaking All right, from the White House to Capitol Hill, where lawmakers are racing the clock to keep the lights on.
	We are literally just days away from reaching that deadline on Friday at 12 a.m.
	Eastern.
	And House Republicans are kicking the can down the road with a 99-page continuing resolution that would fund the government through the end of September.
	Now, that resolution includes an increase in defense spending by $7 billion.
	And $6 billion for Veterans Health.
	Already we know two Republicans who say they are no on this.
	Congressman Thomas Massey and Senator Rand Paul.
	They are both from Kentucky.
	So let's bring in CBS News Congressional Reporter Torian Small for more on this.
	He's live at Capitol Hill.
	Torian Massey and Paul are a no.
	Have they said why?
	Yeah, those two, like you said, Republicans from Kentucky are looking for even deeper spending cuts.
	This isn't just an issue that resonates with them.
	Republicans at large within the party for months now have been talking about how it's time to start cutting spending, especially at Biden era levels.
	The difference, though, is Donald Trump himself, the president, has come out to endorse this continued resolution and pleading with Republican lawmakers through his Truth Social page, asking them to hold off on these fights.
	Wait until after the stopgap measure is passed through both the House and Senate and makes it to his desk to be signed into law before they start worrying about these fiscal concerns.
	They believe that now is in the time for those fights, they being the White House, and deeper conversations could happen more effectively when it comes to budget resolution for the fiscal year 2026.
	As part of that, we are hearing from Republicans that Speaker Johnson is interested in codifying some of these cuts across the board to these federal departments and agencies as part of that fiscal year 2026 plan.
	But right now they have an imminent deadline approaching and they're just trying to get this across the finish line as quickly as possible without approaching their colleagues across the aisle.
	Centurion Democrats are saying that this spending bill is going to rip away health care, President Trump says no it won't.
	What's the truth here?
	Yeah, so Democrats are pointing to the fact that this bill doesn't protect what they see as endanger these critical safety net programs like Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, etc.
	They're saying we've already seen the agenda under Donald Trump through executive action to start targeting some of these crucial services.
	And they want to see protections in the stop cap bill before they move forward with supporting it.
	Also, they want to see similar spending levels to the Biden era.
	This would see about a 13 billion dollar cut in non-defense spending.
	And that's just something Democrats not on board with.
	Republicans, however, are saying that isn't included in this.
	They're just solely focusing on cutting back spending at large.
	And then they're also looking to beef up spending when it comes to military preparedness and then also funding for border security, which is why we're seeing that really prioritized in this continuing resolution list.
	So, Torian, what happens if Republicans and Democrats can't come to an agreement on this?
	Yes.
	Yeah, disruption.
	We could expect a government shutdown to function as we've seen in the past with, you know, for example, these nuisances to the American people like national parks being shut down.
	You won't be able to go there.
	TSA. We've seen before, although they're considered essential workers, there was this mass sick-out where these agents would call in sick because they're not getting paid.
	Eventually, even if we do see a shutdown, these People who are experienced furloughs or asked not to come to work will receive back pay as we've seen before in the past.
	But it's still quite the problem for American public.
	We can expect mass disruptions.
	What ultimately might happen, though, just based off of what we've seen happen before, is Republicans will look to pass this through along party-line votes.
	They probably won't get the votes there as we've already seen two Republicans come out and say that they're just not deep enough in terms of cuts.
	We have to depend on Democrats, which means there'll be an 11th hour continuing resolution that'll be clean, that would see 2024 levels pushed through in order to get Democrats on board.
	Now, did you think that voting for Trump would be voting for an increase in defence spending?
	And I suppose, of course, we all acknowledge that there are different types of defence spending.
	I'm sure that not many of us would begrudge working service personnel a decent living wage and care packages for veterans.
	But don't many of us suspect, as a result of failed Pentagon audits, that much of your country's defence expenditure ends up in the hands of the military-industrial complex?
	And didn't most of us think that this was a time to end wars, to advocate for...
	Cease fires to stop sending so much American money to Ukraine, not because we don't love Ukrainian people, but because we know that the Ukraine-Russia war only has one outcome.
	Well, there's a few outcomes.
	One is Russia beats Ukraine.
	Another one is there's a global nuclear war.
	And that neither of those are particularly desirable.
	So how do you feel when someone like Thomas Massey, who I believe, generally speaking, is a truthful and authentic political figure, attracts the ire of Donald Trump?
	Let me know in the comments and chat.
	Here's Trump's Truth Social post in which he condemns Thomas Massey and suggests a primary to dislodge him.
	Lots of stuff, but the really important point is sometimes it takes great courage to do the right thing.
	Congressman Thomas Massey of beautiful Kentucky is not a Mac No vote on just about everything.
	Despite the fact that he's always voted for the continuing resolutions in the past, he should be primaried and I will lead the charge against him.
	He's just another grandstander who's too much trouble and not worth the fight.
	He reminds me of Liz Cheney before her historic record-breaking loss.
	The people of Kentucky won't stand for it.
	Just watch.
	Do I have any takers?
	Anyway, thank you again to the Freedom House.
	So, that's a public declaration of...
	Now, wherever you stand on the issue of free speech, or wherever you stand on the issue of Israel, or even if you're a Democrat, or a social justice warrior, or whatever you are, what are your principles on this issue?
	Certainly, a lot of people have spoken out in defense of Thomas Massey.
	Here's what Thomas Massey himself said in response to Trump.
	Someone thinks they can control my voting card by threatening my re-election.
	Guess what?
	Doesn't work on me.
	Three times I've had a challenger who tried to be more MAGA than me.
	None busted 25% because my constituents prefer transparency.
	And principles over blind allegiance.
	Thomas Massey clearly has a lot of vocal supporters.
	Here's just a selection of posts in his defence.
	Ian Carroll, star of the Joe Rogan show and brilliant content creator saying stay the fuck away from our boy Don.
	Claire Morris.
	Wow, Trump getting ratioed is not all I had on my bingo card.
	One of the three members of the house I trust.
	Who's going to be the other one?
	Who are the others?
	Not a smart move.
	Brett Weinstein, friend of the show.
	I stand...
	Brett's sort of casual arse.
	Sweet.
	Thomas Massey.
	He's one of the only members of the government not owned by the Israel lobby.
	Now, obviously, many of those people are connecting this to pro-Israel movements like AIPAC. As you know, probably I'm a Christian and I believe in the right of Israel to exist and I'm against anti-Semitism.
	But I'm certainly sympathetic to those who believe that the Israeli deep state have alliances with the U.S. deep state.
	Let me know what you think about that.
	Here's Thomas Massey on Tucker Carlson's show talking about AIPAC and what it means.
	What does that mean, an APAC person?
	It's like your babysitter, your APAC babysitter, who is always talking to you for APAC. They're probably a constituent in your district, but they are firmly embedded in APAC. Every member has something like this?
	That's how it works on the Republican side.
	And when they come to D.C., you go have lunch with them.
	And they've got your cell number, and you have conversations with them.
	That's absolutely crazy.
	I've had four members of Congress say, I'll talk to my APAC person.
	It's clearly what we call them, my APEC guide.
	I'll talk to my APEC guide, see if I can get them to dial those ads back.
	Why have I never heard this before?
	Why would they want to tell their constituents that they've basically got a buddy system with somebody who's representing a foreign country?
	It doesn't benefit the congressman for people to know that, so they're not going to tell you.
	I don't think you have to be anti-Israel or an anti-Semite to have questions about the nature and unique status of AIPAC. Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
	Thomas Massey, of course, is broadly anti-Israel.
	It's certainly his anti-escalating tensions between Iran and the United States, for example.
	Here's a couple of posts from him and Tucker Carlson.
	Fox News is wall to wall with dead-eyed politicians telling you that Iran is a dangerous sponsor of terror, softening up the base for a war.
	But what exactly does that phrase mean and how does it apply to the United States?
	Here's one measure over the past 20 years.
	How many Americans have been killed by Iran on American soil?
	Try to find that number, then compare it to the number of Americans killed by drug overdoses or suicide or illegal aliens or carjackings or diabetes or the COVID vaccine.
	Still think Iran is the greatest threat?
	How about we focus on our own country for a minute?
	Certainly many of us would contest that Donald Trump was elected to put America first.
	But what I suppose Donald Trump would claim is that everything he does puts America first.
	Would that not just be the equivalent of Anthony Fauci saying...
	I am the science.
	Let me know in the comments and chat what you think about that.
	Here's Thomas Massey saying the military-industrial complex demands about $50 billion per year in war.
	As soon as we quit spending $50 billion a year in Afghanistan, we start spending $50 billion in Ukraine.
	Watch where the next $50 billion per year goes when we stop spending it in Ukraine.
	The military-industrial complex is always hungry.
	So, in a sense, Thomas Massey is unlikely an anti-Israel or anti-Semite or anti-anything.
	He seems to be an anti-war political figure, which is something that...
	Trump certainly campaigned on, and something that I pray is true, because when you are anti-war and anti-violence, you don't need to know whether it's Jews dying, Muslims dying, Ukrainians dying, Russians dying, Christians dying, you don't care.
	You just want, as Donald Trump himself said, I want people to stop dying.
	And that's the Donald Trump that I believe many of you believe you voted for.
	But that's just what I think.
	Why don't you let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.
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	Quit washing your hands, pilot, and release the files!
	Release the files!
	Release the files!
	Do you want those Epstein files?
	Are we ever going to get these Epstein files?
	Is it the daddy of all conspiracy theories?
	Who are these people on the Epstein Files?
	Are they just innocent party-goers that like a bit of fun, or are they the world's worst occultist paedophiles?
	Why is this information being so guarded?
	Does it amount to rape and statutory rape charges?
	Do you think it's even darker than that?
	Why does Ian Carroll, who, let's face it, is the go-to voice nowadays on this subject, think that the Epstein Files is the key and defining issue?
	You can have your UFO information.
	You can have your information on Pfizer and COVID and Building 7. You can have your information on JFK, but when it comes to Epstein, you can't get it.
	Now, he contests that that's as a result of Epstein being primarily a Mossad agent.
	Let me know in the comments in chat what you think about that.
	Certainly, Epstein's power is all-encompassing.
	The new leader of Canada appears to have peculiar connections to the case.
	Meet Canada's new Prime Minister, Mark Carney, pictured here alongside notorious child sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell.
	This wasn't just any gathering.
	It took place at Carney's sister-in-law's estate, Cornbury Park, a known hotspot for globalist elites.
	That's pretty funny, isn't it?
	Where do these globalist elites hang out?
	Is Mark Carney a client of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell?
	Well, I suppose, is it possible to meet with Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and not get tangled in some sort of sexual tryst?
	I certainly hope so, for Bill Gates' sake.
	Do you imagine that all elites ultimately meet up?
	I mean, didn't Trump's initial success come from saying, I know that they're corrupt because I use their corruption when campaigning against Hillary?
	so don't we expect and anticipate that elites co-mingle and interact let me know what you think in the comments and chat about that certainly the prominent and dominant voice when it comes to this matter has become ian carroll certainly since his appearance on joe rogan ian carroll come on the show here is ian carroll's already legendary appearance on joe rogan where he says he believes the conspiracy theory that will never speak
	its name is the epstein file out of all the information that's getting disclosed supposedly this administration what do you have the least faith that we're going to come to a conclusion for sure Epstein, for sure.
	And I think it's because of Israel.
	Really?
	Because I think, I mean, when you really dig into Epstein...
	His entire network was Israel.
	It was clearly.
	Ehud Barak was the ex-prime minister and the ex-head of Israeli intelligence.
	Leslie Wexner was one of the most powerful pro-Israeli philanthropists.
	The whole organization was Israel.
	And I'm not saying it was all of Israel.
	It was all an intelligence gathering.
	And it was targeting Americans.
	It was targeting American officials and the American president.
	And the CIA does have interest in those targets, too.
	Elements in the CIA does.
	Certainly they had help from the CIA. And certainly they had help from these other organized crime and intelligence operations.
	So, for example, Dan Bongino, the new...
	Shout out to Dan Bongino!
	Was he deputy director of the FBI? He recently had this clip that went all around where he said on camera that he had a source that he trusted deeply.
	And he's an informed guy.
	He was at a Fox News interview and the source told him that Epstein was working for an intelligence agency in the Middle East.
	And I don't know which one, but someone in the Middle East.
	And to be fair, we all already knew this.
	We already know who he worked for.
	At least I think so.
	But I'm looking at, okay, Dan, so if this giant group of Jewish billionaires...
	Is running a sex trafficking operation targeting American politicians and business people and stuff?
	You think they're working with an Arab or Muslim nation in the Middle East?
	Like, you think that Leslie Wexner is devoting his entire life to philanthropies on behalf of Israel, but then he's going to work for Saudi Arabia when he's doing this trafficking?
	Right.
	But if someone says to him that they're all working for a country in the Middle East, knowing he knows...
	What that means, but not specifying.
	Doesn't he kind of have to repeat it that same way?
	Well, he also has to repeat it the same way because he won't get the job if he says Israel.
	Because Israel has so much control over our government right now.
	And I'm not saying that all Jews are in on something.
	Clearly.
	Internet.
	Clearly.
	Internet.
	And Joe is definitely not saying that.
	Definitely not.
	But Israel's government is...
	As vulnerable to the deep state effect as the American government.
	But I would argue that Israel's government is way more vulnerable to it because of the people that founded Israel and the way it was founded.
	It was founded in modern time, much more recently.
	It was a revolutionary founding.
	And I can totally sympathize with the Jewish desire to have that state.
	I get it.
	But because of the way that happened, the people that founded Israel were a bunch of organized crime figures in America, the Jewish mob, that were helping with money and with arms trafficking to get the guns there because they had to have guns.
	And it was the Rothschild banking family sending a whole bunch of money and getting the declaration in the first place.
	And then the people that were there, the three different organizations, the Irgun, the Lehi group, and the Haganah, those were the three paramilitary groups that fought to found Israel, and they're like the heroes of Israel.
	Which I understand the narrative that they're heroes.
	But when Israel was officially founded, they officially designated Irgun and Lehi as terrorist organizations because they had been bombing civilians.
	They'd been bombing British civilians.
	The first official act of terror, before they changed the definition, was the bombing of the King David Hotel, where these terrorists, these Lehi and Irgun terrorists, a bunch of different groups, the guy who planned that bombing later became the prime minister of Israel.
	They were bombing...
	Civilians.
	And like, so those, when those are the groups that are fighting to found that nation, even if all the Jews there are wonderful people, the leadership is inherently composed of these people that have been deeply corrupt for all time.
	And so you get this fertile ground for this kind of deep state effect to take power.
	And when you start to research the heads of state of Israel over history, you realize that a bunch of them were in those groups doing those terrorist acts and have done a bunch of dark stuff because those were the people that We're at the top of that military organization.
	Those terrorist organizations reformed to form the IDF. And what's interesting is you can talk about this now post-October 7th.
	It opened wide open.
	Post-Gaza.
	You want to know a funny story, actually?
	I didn't know shit about it.
	And I started doing 9-11 stuff.
	And I was doing a 9-11 video on my YouTube.
	And I knew about the dancing Israeli conspiracy theory that is very much a real set of documents.
	And I knew that I'm not allowed to talk about Israel for some reason, and I didn't really know why.
	And I realized, like, I better fucking understand this thing before I crater my new channel and career on this topic I don't understand.
	If I'm going to take a stance against Israel at all, I should understand why and how.
	So I started doing research, and I shelved that research, and I switched to researching Israel and Palestine and the history there and what's going on.
	And I finished the video, and it was October 6th, and I was like, I was very worried because it's like, you weren't allowed to talk about it.
	And I had just made this whole documentary about the history of Israel-Palestine and the propaganda and what it all was.
	And I published it on October 6th on my Locals channel.
	And I kind of had this, like, lean back and, like, if that's the end of the ride and I get canceled for this shit, so be it.
	And then literally the next day, and I'm not saying that October 7th was a good thing, but I'm saying that literally the next day, the entire internet was ablaze about Israel and Palestine and everyone was talking about it.
	And it was the weirdest fucking coincidence, like...
	And suddenly it was like, oh, all right, let's fucking dig this thing open.
	Because unfortunately, it is, I mean, I think fortunately, I think that the state of the Israeli influence that sustained them for so long, that was essential to them surviving this long, I think that it has grown cancerous to the Jewish faith in general.
	Because Jeffrey Epstein is the perfect example of this.
	Jeffrey Epstein was the world's most prolific and evil sex trafficker that we know of so far, ever.
	And he very clearly was a Jewish organization of Jewish people working on behalf of Israel and other groups.
	And so that's a dark stain on Israel and on the Jewish people if you own it.
	One of the benefits of this new Maga Maha era is complex and nuanced arguments are emerging where we can even say, well, There is an Israel deep state.
	If there's a UK deep state and a US deep state, there's an Israel deep state.
	And to be against the Israeli deep state is not to be against Israel and is not to be an anti-Semite.
	As a result of independent media, which is continually maligned for being bombastic, hyperbolic and inaccurate, you actually, over time, start to develop complexity and nuance, like in evolution.
	Obviously, as a Christian, I believe in a loving creator, but I believe the way that we materially observe the process of creation, in many ways, is through evolution, certainly through species outside of our kind.
	We can see how, in independent media, different arguments are evolving now, and we can surely have conversation.
	Thank you.
	Power, centralised power, global power, national power, deep state power, without suddenly being maligned as of this or that.
	And isn't it the job of independent media contributors of the left, of the right, that are pro-trans, anti-trans, pro-war, anti-war, pro-Ukraine, anti-Ukraine, Russia?
	Whatever flag you stitch onto your skin, you must know that beneath it we have a skeleton and a beating heart, and ultimately we have shared interests and goals.
	And they may yet emerge from this extraordinary...
	But that's just what I think.
	Why don't you let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
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