War, Wokeism & Wealth: The Forces Reshaping Our World – SF542
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Thank you.
Hello there, you awakening wonders.
Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
We've got a brilliant show today.
I'm dressed in a flak jacket for a reason.
It's because we're talking about war and who war is good for.
Has the truth finally been exposed that the Ukraine-Russia conflict was used by Western imperialist powers to take your tax dollars and now maybe take the lives of your family members, certainly if they're in the military, in order to benefit...
In order to benefit BlackRock and the IMF and the World Bank, etc.
In addition to that, we're going to be talking to Nicole Shanahan, who was Bobby Kennedy's running mate, about globalism, wokeism, and vaccines.
It's a brilliant conversation.
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Let's get into today's story before our conversation with Nicole Shannon.
We are talking about this story, actually.
Here it is reported in The Telegraph.
Keir Starmer.
The Prime Minister of the UK and, in a sense, a kind of remnant avatar of globalism in the same way that you recognise Justin Trudeau was, has pledged British troops and 12 billion dollars of British taxpayer money to...
I'm sorry, 12 billion pounds.
I'm not...
I'm English.
12 billion pounds of British taxpayer money in order to perpetuate this war.
Over the next few minutes, we're going to explain how the Ukraine-Russia conflict involves BlackRock, the World Bank...
And the EU. And essentially how you can see this as a globalist conflict.
The way that you've been deceived is staggering and astonishing.
And while it's going to make you furious to learn these facts and to see some brilliant reporting in The Telegraph, which is a legacy media newspaper, while it's going to make you furious, it's also going to give you a deeper understanding of why this conflict is so important.
First of all, let's start with Keir Starmer's pledge.
First of all, we're going to start with Keir Starmer's audacious pledge to lead British troops into war.
I'm prepared to consider committing British forces on the ground alongside others.
I'm prepared to lead British troops on the ground.
Let's just hope that this story doesn't lead to us looking at the intolerable image of Keir Starmer in a flak jacket.
If it irritates you that I'm wearing some pseudo-military gear, bear in mind that I don't have any power to send...
Children, adults, to war, or pretend that I'm engaged in a humanitarian mission when I'm actually advancing globalism.
This is a staggering story, and in a minute, you're going to see Keir Starmer in a flak jacket, which is just one above seeing Keir Starmer naked, if you ask me, in things I don't want to see Keir Starmer doing.
As well as this article from Su Ping Chang in The Telegraph, we're going to be looking at some reporting from Declassified UK, which is going to show us how...
This humanitarian argument is and has always been a mask for changes in policy inside Ukraine that enable them to legitimately claim aid, both military and philanthropic, which seems to be significantly getting directed towards other interests, and only creating a new Ukrainian billionaire class.
Tucker Carlson talks about that.
In a minute, we're going to see RFK explaining that we could have had peace three years ago, but that peace deal was scuppered by the British.
And by Biden.
So really, what Trump's doing now is blazing through a globalist project to generate revenue from this war.
Let's get into it.
Amid the devastating war in Ukraine, British economic aid to the country is focused on promoting pro-private sector reforms and on pressing the government to open up its economy to foreign investors.
If the aid was about protecting children and protecting Ukrainian charity and protecting Ukrainian territory...
Why is the economic aid focused on promoting private sector reforms?
That's something to mark out.
At a time when you're deeply cynical and suspicious about the actions of your government, the EU, the World Bank, globalism more broadly, and massive organisations like BlackRock, you would think that the approach to supporting this conflict financially would be, we better make sure that all aid makes its way...
Directly to Ukrainian people because otherwise people are going to be so cynical about it if they find out, for example, that it looks like we've been lobbying to change the law inside Ukraine so you can sell off a bunch of Ukrainian resources.
And in fact, when you see Trump say something like, we will continue to support Ukraine, but only on the basis that they will provide us with minerals, that they will back up these loans or this aid with resources, suddenly you realise all the difference between Trump and other politicians is he does publicly...
And explicitly what they do privately.
And it seems to me that Trump is more geared towards protecting the inhabitants of his country than a leader like Keir Starmer, who on top of taking advantage of you from behind, wants you to thank him afterwards and give him a lollipop.
Recently published Foreign Office documents on its flagship aid project in Ukraine, which supports privatisation, notes that the war provides opportunities for Ukraine delivering on some hugely important reforms.
Do you want to hear people talking about opportunity when you're paying £12 billion worth of additional taxes in order to support this conflict?
Do you want to hear phrases like, there's an opportunity there?
If you do, surely it's...
Surely it's in the form of the explicit and open Donald Trump who says we're not going to continue aid unless we get this.
Rather than this insidious, deceptive, claiming to be humanitarian, globalist con that's taking your money and potentially the lives of your family members while sort of asking you to say thank you and appreciate how kind Keir Starmer is.
The government in Kiev has, in recent months, been responding positively to these calls.
Last month, President Vladimir Zelensky signed a new law expanding the privatisation of state-owned banks in this country.
While this war's been going on, they've been changing a bunch of laws in order to make it easier for foreign investors and outside organisations to buy Ukrainian state-owned stuff.
Minerals, mines, things like that.
Now, why would that be happening at a time like this, when what we're supposed to be doing, I thought, was Putin's evil.
Putin's an evil external aggressor.
All we're trying to do is oppose Putin and survive and protect the Ukrainian people.
Why are all these laws being changed that create business opportunity?
Pay attention to that.
It's hugely significant.
In fact, it's defining, almost as if the humanitarian argument is irrelevant window dressing.
And really what matters are all these financial opportunities.
Let me know in the comments and chat what you think, based on what you know about your government, they're actually prioritising.
The Ukrainian government's announcement in July Of its large-scale privatisation 2024 programme that's intended to drive foreign investment into the country.
Large assets slayed for privatisation currently include the country's biggest producer of titanium ore, a leading producer of concrete products, and a mining processing plant.
So amidst all this talk of, oh, we've got to stand firm, we've got to help Ukraine, we've got to support Ukraine, round the back, in the back channels, people are doing deals for titanium ore.
Why is that?
You would think at this time, explicitly and almost religiously, the people...
People that are asking British troops to enter into a war.
French troops departing from the US, while departing from US foreign policy when it comes to this war, will be ensuring that every decision they make could under scrutiny look like exploitative will be ensuring that every decision they make could under scrutiny But here we are.
Looks like there's a lot of opportunities.
In fact, they're admitting there are opportunities.
If down the line we find out that the World Bank are involved, that BlackRock are involved, and that other...
Unelected bureaucratic bodies and corporate bodies are involved.
You might start to think, hang on, this is a war about globalism and resources, not a war about protecting Ukrainian people.
Ukraine envisaged privatising the country's roughly 3,500 state-owned enterprises in a law in 2018, which said foreign citizens and companies could become owners.
Remember, there was a coup in 2014. In 2018, the law was changed to allow foreign companies to buy their stuff.
So you're starting to look now at figures like George Soros, companies like BlackRock, Vanguard, and...
And indeed, Zelensky is publicly admitted, I think at the Golden Globes, like the...
Publicly admitted, publicly thanked, I think at the Golden Globes, JP Morgan, JP Morgan, BlackRock.
What's going on?
What is this really about?
Is there anyone left who believes that...
Is there anyone left who wants their personal tax dollars flowing into this conflict with the mistaken belief that it's somehow benefiting Ukrainian kids?
Whether you're an American service person, a British service person, Russian or Ukrainian, you're all getting screwed in this conflict so that they can benefit from passing up Ukrainian resources and sell them to Western business interests.
That is what it's about.
That's what it's always been about.
It's obvious, isn't it, when you think about it?
Another law enacted in June 23. They keep changing laws.
They're not changing laws to protect people.
They're changing laws to jail journalists, to control media, to cancel elections, and to grant opportunities to globalist interests.
How weird.
Almost like that's what the war is and has always been actually about.
Another law enacted in 2023 allows large-scale assets to be sold to foreigners or Ukrainians during the martial law regime.
Britain's main economic aid project in Ukraine runs from 2022 to 2025 and is called the Good Governance Fund.
Nice name.
Catchy.
One of its aims is to ensure that Ukraine adopts and implements economic reforms that create a more inclusive economy, enhancing trade opportunities with the UK. What a beautiful bit of bureaucratic language that actually reveals that the true intention is to create...
The true intention is to create financial opportunities.
It ain't about protecting Ukrainian people.
It's about exploiting Ukrainian resources.
We're just arguing who gets them.
Does America get some of them?
Do EU countries get some?
Does Britain get some?
Heaven forbid that the Ukrainian people's interests should be protected and preserved.
Doesn't it sort of make sense to you when you look at Zelensky and you look at some of the stuff Zelensky's done in the past, prancing about and leotards and stuff, that he's actually merely a person who stands...
He's not an actual leader, is he?
He's not an actual leader.
None of these people are.
Not Keir Starmer, not Zelensky.
They're ultimately the puppets of deep ulterior interests.
You know that and I know that.
What Donald Trump is, if you ask me, is a kind of wrecking ball in all this.
Whatever you might think about Trump, I don't think that there are people behind the scenes going...
Why don't we do this?
Why don't we do that?
I think it's all just candidly spilling out of his mouth like sort of mad patriotic yoghurt.
It's not like a behind the scenes.
I'm going to say this, but then I'm going to do that.
Of course there is some statecraft going on.
I'm not suggesting that there isn't.
But the reason that Donald Trump is an anomaly and a problem is not because he is deceptive and duplicitous, but because he's an individualistic tycoon who, in this position of power, can disrupt globalism.
That's what I think.
Let me know what you think.
It notes, ironically, That's a lot of words to say we are going to rip off the vulnerable Ukrainian people by getting their state-owned resources and selling them to companies that are probably,
if you investigate it, connected to groups, connected to individuals like George Soros.
Do the research for us, if you would.
I bet they bloody well are.
Britain's privatisation agenda in Ukraine is part of a wider push by the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, which routinely promote privatisation in low-income countries, often as a condition of providing aid.
The reason this conflict is unique is not because of the aggression of Putin, but because media reporting now exposes the complexity of these types of conflicts.
If that were not true, you wouldn't have the looming spectre of the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank entering.
These kind of pressures always exist in conflicts of this nature, i.e. those organisations don't lend money to countries that are in crisis unless those countries say, we're going to take on a bunch of debt from you or we're going to sell your favoured partners a bunch of our resources.
That's how globalism works.
What we are living in now is globalism versus emergent nationalism.
Trump, Trump, Trump, the yellow vests, Trump in America, the yellow vests in France, all these kind of nativist political figures that say we're putting our country in their populations first.
You might regard that as, I don't know, exclusive or racist or a whole bunch of things.
The truth is, even if it is evil, it's the lesser of two evils when it comes to the mendacity of globalism.
Because these World Bank International Monetary Fund BlackRock gigs, that's Lucifer.
That's the stuff that will take over the world, tyrannise and chain you.
And if you think that's hyperbolic, just look at the facts.
They're willing to send UK troops into a war that's none of their business against an opponent that they can't beat in order to carve up Ukrainian resources and sell them to big corporations.
Not for you, not for me, not for your children, and certainly not for the troops that will be invited to lay down their lives for this.
But for globalist corporate interests.
I'd say that's evil.
Well, what do you think?
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Zelensky's recent announcement on state-owned banks is based on World Bank recommendations and gives international donors a role in selecting financial advisors for the sales.
So, Zelensky has just changed the law around state-owned banks because the World Bank has told him to do it.
Do you think these policies will somehow favour the international finance industry?
I'm gripped.
I wonder.
Earlier this month, the World Bank announced it was allocating $593 million to support Ukraine's private sector, focused on improving the regulatory environment.
Improving the regulatory environment means we're taking over.
You're going to change the regulations so it's beneficial to the interests we represent.
That's colonialism.
That's imperialism.
That's what people who voted for Trump voted against.
That's why Trump's position on this war, and America's therefore, is going to alter radically.
And that's why it's insane that Britain is saying we're going to dedicate troops to this conflict, because without the United States of America...
You can no longer mask the globalist nature of this endeavour, which is unpopular.
No one wants it.
Does anyone in the UK want to pay more money or want to send their military into this conflict?
The answer to that is a succinct, monosyllabic no.
One of the conditions imposed by the IMF in last year's $15 billion loan to the Ukraine is for the government in Kiev to produce a strategy on privatisation and for that strategy to be favourable.
Similarly, the EU's recently agreed Ukraine plan, which will provide 50 billion euros to Ukraine in grants and loans during 24 to 27, is also conditional on, among other things, the entry into force of the legislation on corporate governance of state-owned enterprises.
Now, I know this sounds a little bit boring at points, but what they're essentially saying is support in this war is contingent on Ukraine carving up state-owned assets and selling them to our preferred partners.
That's disgusting enough on its own.
But when you're inviting British kids...
French kids, American kids, were it not for Trump, to die in this conflict, it becomes nefarious, almost beyond measure and imagination.
And when you think back to Keir Starmer saying, it is with great regret and reluctance that I'm going to put on a flak jacket and pretend to care about war, you realise what you're dealing with.
Just because it's boring, it doesn't mean it's not evil.
Rustam Umryov, the head of the State Property Fund, which presides over Ukraine's privatization strategy, said in July that international partners support the start of large-scale privatization and are ready to facilitate pitches to the business communities in their countries.
The search for strategic investors is an opportunity for their development and a path to leadership in the world market, he added.
Foreign investment in rebuilding Ukraine's economy is being coordinated by the world's largest asset manager.
BlackRock.
Oh, wow.
So we've got World Bank, IMF and BlackRock involved in this.
Wait a minute.
Weren't we about protecting people in Kiev and orphanages and children?
And why does Hannah Biden work at Burisma anyway?
The Ukrainian government notes that privatisation can benefit the country by reducing subsidies, provide income to the state budget, and increase public benefits through market-oriented products and services.
It's essentially an attempt to hollow out Ukraine.
So there is no Ukraine.
There's the word Ukraine.
There's a flag of Ukraine.
There's a puppet president in the figure of Zelensky.
And behind the scenes, all sorts of globalist interests are siphoning off money and resources.
And that wouldn't be such a bad thing.
We're not for the fact.
And on top of that...
All of your kids.
And on top of that, British troops are going to be asked to lay down their lives in order to facilitate this, and you're going to pay for it through your work.
Did you vote for that?
Do you want it?
The key goal for Western states supposedly aiding Ukraine's privatization process is to find access to new markets and to bring Ukraine into their commercial orbit, fully detaching it from their rival, Russia.
A sign the Ukrainian public needs persuading about this Western Bank privatization is that the US-UK Sawyer Project, that's the name of the bureaucratic endeavor to...
Vulcanize, the irony, Ukrainian assets.
Includes a public relations dimension.
One of its goals is to assist the government in strategic communications to enhance reforms.
That's why Zelensky has become a kind of celebrity, why he's always cropping up at award ceremonies and stuff like that and dolled up in a flak jacket.
This now affects me because I've got skin in the game because I'm a British person and therefore I pay British taxes and therefore I know people in the British military.
And even if I didn't, I wouldn't want these people to be laying down their lives on the basis of a disgusting lie.
Since the start of this conflict...
Now the fact is that since the beginning of the conflict, Britain has been supporting the globalist agenda, particularly when Biden was in power.
Now Biden's not in power, so the true nefarious nature of this conflict is being exposed.
Let's have a look at how the legacy media try to frame this in a beneficial way.
The UK has been one of Ukraine's closest and strongest allies.
We're close, we're strong.
That's what we are, close and strong.
Doesn't matter if the Prime Minister is that blonde one, that brown one, or this new boring one, we're doing the same thing.
Almost like it don't matter who you vote for, you're gonna get someone who's gonna send your taxes and your children into this unwinnable, pointless, appalling war.
More often than not...
Putting our money where our mouth is.
Yeah, we're really hard.
We're putting our money where our mouth is, which is actually unhygienic.
The UK has trained Ukrainian soldiers previously.
And Keir Starmer says he's willing to commit British troops to potential peacekeeping.
Yeah, you know, just peacekeeping.
And there we have it.
Keir Starmer in a flat jacket, shaking hands.
Exactly what you want.
A lawyer and a bureaucrat.
a person that would deny everything until you can prove otherwise and then simply blame somebody else for whatever problem he's been previously denying, is now in charge of British lives.
Sometimes I realise that they've made politics so boring that we don't think about the people that we put in charge, the people that we put in power.
We're giving them an incredible moral responsibility.
And if that moral responsibility is not undergirded by some kind of supreme force, rather than arbitrary notions of right and wrong, they're always boiled down to expedience in their cases.
He says, oh, it's expedient to support Ukraine because we'll be able to balkanise their country and all of their state assets and sell it off again.
So, yeah, it don't matter if British taxpayer money, it's not my money, British taxpayer money goes towards it.
It don't matter if British lives go towards it.
But that's all been exposed now because you've got a populist leader in the United States of America.
So you can't just lay a sort of a dainty little tablecloth over the whole country.
Lay a dainty little tablecloth over the whole abortion.
You're going to be confronted with the fact that this is not a popular war, this isn't what people want to do, and it's not even what the United States are going to do now.
For there are questions about how feasible that is.
It is not going to be very easy to do it.
First place, you've got all the constraints on the British side.
We don't have many troops.
Bit of a problem, bit of a problem to send troops into war if you don't have any troops.
It seems like Britain's army...
Are not prepared or ready to enter into a conflict of this nature, even if it's just as a peacekeeping force or whatever euphemism they're using to mask the fact that British taxpayer dollars and potentially British...
Taxpayer power, British taxpayer money, and the British military are being sacrificed in the pursuit of a goal that seems increasingly dubious.
If it weren't dubious, why are BlackRock, World Bank and IMF involved?
These are not archangels.
And then BlackRock came and said unto Mary, you will have a boy child.
And then IMF guarded the gates of Eden.
And then the World Bank came and said, do not be afraid, for you are a chosen one.
These institutions, these...
Bureaucracies are ultimately about supporting elites in ways that can't be impacted, curtailed or incurred by the will of the people.
That's what they're there for.
That's what BlackRock, IMF, World Bank is.
The preservation of elite power no matter what you do politically.
The problem is the United States of America has just berserked itself.
Berserked itself into a new populist era, and whether the changes are a net gain or a net loss, we'll soon see, won't we?
But what appears to be the case at the moment is more peace and less willingness to cough up and fund these globalist wars.
And even promising more spending isn't going to answer that immediate question.
Because it takes some years to get them, recruit them, train them, and so on.
The UK Armed Forces are more than 5,000 personnel below their target size at the moment.
It's like people don't want to join an army when they're told the whole time that they're racist and that they're worthless and they see that their country's being driven off the edge of a cliff in pursuit of globalist goals.
That's weird, that, that people don't want to lay down their lives and die when you've abandoned all of their values, when you've broken down all of their institutions, when you've told them that they're worthless.
That's so weird.
At the moment, the UK currently spends 2.3% of GDP on defence.
Starmer has pledged to increase this to 2.5%, but it's not clear when that will happen.
Hmm.
And none of us are sort of discussing whether or not we want this.
They use the veil of war in order to take your money and to give it to elite organizations and institutions.
Well, how would you feel if you were to discover that a great deal of these resources are finding their way not into the battlefields or Ukrainian orphanages, but into the pockets of already rich individuals?
Some of them are Ukrainian, but while simultaneously facilitating the profits and power of organizations like the World Bank, the IMF, and BlackRock, etc.
Probably not good, right?
Together we'll be able to start the difficult war of rebuilding Ukraine, our cities, our economy, our infrastructure.
It is already clear that this will be the largest economic project of our time in Europe.
And just in case you think I'm a hysterical conspiracy theorist, and hey, maybe sometimes I am, here's Vladimir Zelensky himself name-checking the powers that are ultimately going to benefit and facilitate this advancing globalist agenda.
We have already managed to attract attention and have cooperation with such giants of the international financial and investment world as BlackRock, J.P. Morgan and Golden Sox.
Such American brands as Starlink or Westinghouse have already become part of our Ukrainian way.
It's not the Olympics where you've got McDonald's hypocritically sponsoring an event that's about health and fitness and denigrating Jesus Christ.
You saw the opening ceremony, right?
What a coincidence.
This is a war in which people are going to die.
and those organisations is the revelation of the power that ultimately precipitates and necessitates ongoing war.
And for Zelensky to say, Ukrainian, why?
What do you mean?
What do you mean by that?
You mean the way of the Ukrainian people?
It's like they're working, tilling a field, or getting some stuff done, or singing folk songs to one another.
There ain't no Ukrainian way if you yield to the World Bank and the IMF and BlackRock.
That's globalism.
Part of what globalism means, as you know, if you're living in a Western country, is your borders will be flooded, your assets will be stripped, and elite powers that you cannot reach or even conceptualize sometimes will seize the reins of your nation and seize the lives of your children.
Your brilliant defense systems, such as HIMARS or Bradley's.
Also, Tucker Carlson has some pretty unique and interesting insights that completely alter the way you see this conflict.
The Alps, which is probably the most expensive town in the world.
I was not there to ski for the record.
But the whole town is Ukrainian.
You know, all the visitors are Ukrainian, and they're rolling into air maze and dropping a million dollars in an afternoon, okay?
So it's all through Europe you see this.
The richest people are the Ukrainians.
That money is ours.
It belongs to me and you and every other American taxpayer.
That's where it's going.
Second fact, fact, not guess, fact is Ukrainian military is selling a huge percentage, up to half of the arms that we send them.
Half.
And I'm not guessing about this.
I know that for a fact, a fact, okay?
Not speculation.
And they're selling it, and a lot of it's winding up with the drug cartels on our border.
So this is a crime, what's happening.
Our intel agencies are fully aware of this.
You tell me they're not profiting from this.
Of course, you think the CIA is not profiting from this?
Yes, they are.
I can't prove that, but I believe that.
What, they don't know this?
I know this, but they don't know this?
They know this.
And no one is saying it.
Like, no American seems aware of this.
Tucker Carlson there exemplified the challenge of modern political life.
Now, these matters are not...
You can have populist good communicators giving you insights on the true nature of war and the true nature of power.
You might believe Tucker.
You might deny Tucker.
You might oppose Tucker.
You might disagree with Tucker.
But it seems pretty likely, doesn't it, that the CIA and deep state organizations have relationships with the Ukrainian deep state and ultimately facilitate the maneuvering and movements of groups like the IMF and the World Bank and BlackRock, etc.
And when someone like Trump gets into power and starts saying, we're going to start sacking everybody and getting rid of the deep state, it's a massive disruption to...
to global elite power.
Ensconced within American institutions that are also funded by you, CIA, FBI, etc., are all sorts of bureaucrats that have the kind of affiliations that mean that that trajectory can go uninterrupted.
The CIA are in general support of it.
The IMF Institute are in general support of it.
BlackRock are in general support of it.
That is the nature of this coordination.
Now we've got this different type of reporting, these different type of communications, where someone like Tucker Carlson or Lex Friedman or Joe Rogan or whoever can just get on your phone and tell you the facts of the matter.
No wonder you have to create new categories, misinformation, disinformation.
Really what's required is the ability to continue business as usual.
That's what they're trying to do in Ukraine right now, at least the British are, while clearly in Trump's America a different trajectory is being explored.
And then you need the ability to prevent people communicating about it.
In April 2022...
But this conflict's been going for a while.
Let's have a look at what Bobby Kennedy said about events way back a few years ago.
President Biden sent Boris Johnson to Ukraine to force President Zelensky to tear up a peace agreement that he and the Russians had already signed and the Russians were withdrawing troops from Kiev and Donbass and Lugans.
And that peace agreement would have brought...
East of the region and would have allowed Donbass and Lugansk to remain part of Ukraine.
President Biden stated that month that his objective in the war was regime change in Russia.
His Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin simultaneously explained that America's purpose in the war was to exhaust the Russian army to degrade its capacity to fight anywhere else in the world.
These objectives, of course, have nothing to do with what they were telling Americans about protecting Ukraine's sovereignty.
In a way, I see the Ukraine-Russia conflict as a partner to the COVID pandemic.
These massive global stories were unable to be contained and narrativised in the way that globalists would have preferred because of independent media reporting.
Because in real time, we were getting counter-narratives that seemed more plausible than what we were being told by our governments and our media.
The reason for that is because independent media has been telling us the truth.
Whether it was the pipeline or whether it's the vaccines or whether it's the lab leak or whether it was those missiles not coming from Poland or whether it's the CIA labs in Ukraine.
Narratives emerge so quickly that they've had to create the category of misinformation and disinformation just to maintain control of their globalist agenda.
Now that America has gone all populist and MAGA, countries like the UK and France are dreadfully exposed.
But not just nations.
The World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, NATO, then agencies within America, the CIA, the FBI, all of them are undertaking a massive reckoning now.
So someone like Keir Starmer, flak jacket or no flak jacket, AIDS test, which is what he took recently on no AIDS test, is dreadfully exposed.
He has to stand up in front of the world's media and therefore world's population now.
We're supporting this war.
I'm reluctantly sending troops.
I'm reluctantly taking your tax dollars.
And they've got to cross their fingers and hope that we don't look at that guy right in the eyes and say, wait a minute, I don't trust him.
Maybe we're being lied to.
Maybe this Ukraine conflict is about selling state assets and doing globalist deals.
Maybe we can't trust leaders like Keir Starmer.
Maybe they don't represent the best interests of the British people.
Maybe there's a reason that farmers are up in arms on the street, why people feel disgusted, disgraced and broken by the immigration crisis in the UK.
Maybe there's a reason that people feel furious about the incarceration and imprisonment of people for free speech online.
The COVID pandemic and the Ukraine-Russia war are the pivotal stories that have changed the perspectives of millions of people when it comes to the true nature of globalism and the true nature of power.
And it's helped us to recognise, in fact, that nationalism is likely going to be a first step against globalism.
Furthermore, if you look at it a little more deeply, and I don't see why we shouldn't, you start to see that if people don't love God and don't believe in any...
I don't believe in any resolute, universal truths, whether you call it common sense or Jesus Christ, then people in positions of power are just arbitrarily coming up with an agenda and then imposing their will by violence.
There's no resolute, absolute principles.
One day they have their pronouns in their bios.
The next day they don't have their pronouns in the bios.
One minute they're telling you this is a good and just war.
The next minute they're telling you there was a completely corrupt war.
The next minute they're telling you to take these vaccines, the next minute they're telling you should never have taken those vaccines.
You cannot trust them.
You can never trust them.
You must never trust them again.
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Stay with us because we're about to talk to Nicole Shanahan about vaccines and Google and Serge Brin.
That's the dude that set up Google as well as Bobby Kennedy.
It's a brilliant conversation as well as Christ.
She's come to Christ.
Click the link in the description.
Hey, if you've not been watching Break Bread, watch Break Bread.
And if you're not a member of Rumble Premium where you get Break Bread as well as a load of other additions, The actual question is, from where does power derive?
Where does legitimate power derive?
And if it doesn't derive from some sort of deity, some sort of god, where does it come from?
And the answer is usually it will just come from raw, brutal power.
Whoever can seize power will take it.
That's what's usually happened in human history.
OK, so let me know in the comments and chat what you think about this part of the ways between the United States and the UK and France.
Is this something that desperately concerns you?
Let me know, too, what you think about the stripping of Ukrainian assets and selling them off to these corporations.
OK, time for our guest now.
Nicole Ann Shanahan is an American attorney, entrepreneur and philanthropist.
A philanthropist known for her work in legal technology and social advocacy.
She's the founder and president of the Bayer Echo Foundation, which focuses on reproductive longevity and equality, criminal justice reform, and environmental sustainability.
She supported Bobby Kennedy in his independent campaign for president, and her career spans legal innovation, philanthropy, and political engagement, reflecting her commitment to addressing complex societal changes.
She recently became a Christian, of course.
In the conversation, what I felt was most interesting is someone that comes from a kind of woke position, i.e.
someone that was a Democrat, someone that lived in Silicon Valley, someone that was married to Serge Brin, I think is his name, one of the founders of Google, now sees wokeism as a real threat, totally has a pretty strong position when it comes to vaccines, and is now largely supportive of political movements that you would never imagine someone like that ever supporting.
Also, she's come to Jesus Christ, so we obviously talked about that at some length.
It's a brilliant conversation.
Please enjoy it.
This is an interesting environment to find ourselves in.
We've encountered each other, of course, once before, Nicole, at a fundraising event in Nashville.
That's right.
For Bobby.
Oh gosh, don't tell me you have the receipts.
That was my comedy debut.
My first and probably last.
Let's just have a look at some of Nicole's greatest, but no, not really.
If you imagine that level of production has gone into a show where I turn up in, frankly, my wife's dressing gown.
Yeah, no, I swear I have one that looks like that.
It's an incredible fabric, and if I ever get into merchandising, this is certainly the direction I'd be going in, sort of comfortable fabrics.
Sometimes when I fantasize about Where creativity could take me, you know, with the endless opportunities that are available in merchandise, I think.
Clothes made of this fabric, sometimes I think of clothes that I would wear all the time, but I wouldn't want it to look like an urgent and desperate thing, but just precisely like I was dressing for comfort, but not in conventional leisure wear.
And like, where people are wondering, is that his wives?
I do get asked, like sometimes, I go to a lot of like...
But you can't make assumptions.
Well, not these days.
People are terrified to open their mouths, aren't they?
Thankfully, in some cases.
But like, yeah, when I go to sort of 12-step type stuff, people are generally complimentary, but interested.
You look like everything that you wear and interface with has been very, very well screened for its...
I would say nutritional value and its cleanliness.
Yes, yeah.
It has to be comfortable and as little plastic finishes as possible.
That's the Maha way.
Aren't you in a position where you wouldn't need to be involved in anything that causes you the kind of consternation and criticism that comes with political life?
You know, I could not have imagined the consternation part of it.
Because I'd been involved in politics with the Democratic Party as a donor, as a beloved donor, for quite a while.
And then as a philanthropist, I now realize the stuff I was funding was in large part fraudulent.
What do you mean by that?
Well, you know, you know, I got, okay.
Let's back up a little bit.
I got on the internet for the first time.
I couldn't find my Twitter password when I joined Bobby's campaign.
I wasn't really on the internet.
And then I get on and I see all of these people saying that wealthy liberal women are ruining the world with their philanthropy.
I'd never heard that before.
And so here I am on the internet last year around March as I make my political debut.
And I'm really following these threads about Mackenzie Bezos and all of these other tech wives.
A lot of them are ex-tech wives and they go on and take on philanthropy as their career.
And I thought we were all doing good things for the world, helping out the needy and helping with balance and equity and helping lift people up.
What is a typical cause that exemplifies the ideas that we would see like ex-tech wives philanthropy?
What's the kind of an idea that you would have assumed was beneficial but in retrospect?
Well, so Laureen Powell Jobs, her main focus was immigration for the last 10 years.
She really wanted to focus on increasing immigration into the United States.
I now realize she helped facilitate a lot of this illegal immigration and these poor policies around using American taxpayer dollars to incentivize undocumented to flood into our country.
And then pay politicians to not enforce our border laws.
So I now realize that's what it was.
But back then I thought, oh, well, she's just helping earnest, wonderful people find their way to the American dream legally.
That's what my understanding was at the time.
What I was really passionate about was criminal justice reform.
So 10 years ago, I was looking at the data and all these organizations were coming to me and I was at Stanford at the time.
And the narrative was that we had over-incarceration, which is true.
We have a massive prison population in the United States.
And then that the justice system was really unfair and I got pulled in.
By someone who worked with Kamala Harris to effectively audit the San Francisco DA's office around whether or not policing was fair.
And at the time, I really believed in this work.
I really believed that all of these police officers were racist because that was the narrative at the time.
And that we had to find a way as philanthropists and technologists to screen out any possibility of bias in our criminal justice system.
And so all of these groups started to emerge, these nonprofits, and I funded many of them over a period of a decade, thinking that it was helping these communities.
And now that I look back on some of this Funding that I was doing, I realized that there was something else that was happening in parallel.
These alternative missions to kind of undermine security in the United States that were happening in parallel with this desire, this very good desire, I think, to have a fair justice system and to help our American communities through hardship.
So anyways, long story short.
You know, I think that there is a problem with the liberal woman who is not aware of the fact that they're getting drawn into these manufactured culture wars that are designed in many ways to undermine our American communities.
Yeah, those examples that you gave were really excellent, Nicole.
And I was trying to think of my previous...
Like perspective or position in the culture where I've been, you know, generally speaking, a liberal person or of the left and would have been kind of sympathetic to arguments that refugees or people that have been displaced as a result of commercial or military activity ought be granted.
Refuge or sanctuary, that seems like a pretty reasonable idea.
And also, if you're a person who listened to, for example, NWA in the 1980s, the idea that there's institutionalized racism is hardly anathema.
Systemic injustice is the word.
Right, systemic injustice.
It's all systemic.
And I sort of kind of believe in the idea of systemic injustice.
It's just odd how it plays out.
Do you know when I started to question it myself was, I can't believe how...
Recent and how lethargic that implies my thinking is that when during the pandemic I came to recognise that the idea that the authoritarianism was protectivism, when I'm prepared to think, these people aren't interested in protecting us, they don't care about us, I don't trust them, but...
The notion occurred.
Then why would you believe that they're acting on behalf of vulnerable immigrants?
What makes you think that these same interests that want to lock people in their homes, near mandate medications that are dubious, suddenly have an about face when it comes to subjects like Immigration or caring for vulnerable, vulnerable minority communities.
Why would you believe them there?
But I wonder, Nicole, sometimes if the broader issue is that we're all pretty willing to participate in stories that are easy for us.
It's nice to believe that you're participating helpfully in some sort of cultural idea or argument.
What I'm doing is worthwhile.
It's like you feel like you have a purpose.
And that it somehow fulfills a story arc in one's life of, well, you know, I ended up with all of these resources and it is my job to make sure that those resources go to help others, which is, I think, a very good and noble way of seeing the world.
The problem is, is when there's bad actors.
And the problem is, is when those bad actors start manufacturing narratives around, you know, I... I'm going to take as much.
I don't want any questions.
I'm going to buy whatever I want with it.
I'm not going to be responsible to reporting.
And all the standards around NGO finances and disclosure do not apply to me because I've been an affected minority.
So I think that that's where I've kind of been like, oh, what's going on here?
It's really mad to think that there's like a category of like billionaire.
Tech divorcees.
Until you said it, I didn't know that was a category.
It's like all over the internet.
Right.
You were married to someone that's made a whole bunch of money and now there's a kind of causes.
In a way, it's funny to think of powerful people with wealth, like you in this instance, being exploited or lied to or manipulated because you think I equate wealth with power, kind of, because it is a type of power.
But it feels like a...
It's a type of exploitation of a person that is vulnerable.
And I've experienced that.
I've been that person a bunch of times.
Like, you are really like a kind of living corpse for people to sort of lash onto.
She's got them resources.
We'll have that.
We can direct her towards this thing.
Something happens with celebrities.
Like, I need you for my cause.
Yeah, you get it all the time.
You know who I was talking to this about?
Dallas Jenkins.
Like, you know, let's say Dallas Jenkins.
I was like, you make that show, not that you need my endorsement, but it came up in a conversation.
I go, yeah, you're the person that's made a success out of that show.
You do your vision.
Because I remember how when I have had influence in some political or cultural matter, people are always telling me, you should say this, you should believe that.
And I was like, why don't you get on and do your thing and tell people what you believe in and what you care about and what your issue is, rather than trying to get a spike in me and tell me what to think.
But it's interesting, isn't it?
Because we look at people sometimes from a perspective of utility.
Like, even me in the back of my mind is, oh, like, well, Nicole was backing Bobby and that, and now Bobby's in government, and now what are you going to do?
That's a great question.
I actually am turning my sights on California.
You'd like to do your sights.
Well, I mean, so my sights were...
Because of the terrible things that happened there.
On Washington DC and fixing a lot of the issues in DC and really, I mean, we were a razor thin edge away from totally falling into the crap hole that the UK has fallen into.
It has gone in a crap hole.
Yes.
My whole country.
Yes.
I know.
It's really scary to see what's going on over there and it really is Like, two dual systems and it really is the washing away of cultural Great Britain.
Oh man, it's so mad that some of the issues that you were invited to vocally support and which, you know, I'm not criticising you for that because obviously that's what you're expressing.
You're like, oh man, I was trying to help.
Like immigration and destabilising law enforcement, say, those now I... Kind of associate with globalism.
I see those as part of the bewilderment project that is concomitant with globalism.
In order to create a centralized global power that's unelected, you've got to bewilder people.
Have you ever thought about...
I've been thinking about this word globalism.
It's used a lot.
I'm like, what does it actually mean?
It's anti-Westernism.
It's destruction of Western civilization, institutions, and culture as we...
I grew up knowing them.
I mean, that is my experience with, I mean, when we say the word globalism.
Globalization, when I was in high school, was a very positive thing.
I always viewed it very positively.
I was like, oh, this is great.
We can have trade and friendly borders and, like, people can go to Russia.
Now I had friends go to Russia.
Tech businesses.
I had friends go to China.
I went to China because China was open and it was this land of opportunity in 2005 to 2008. I don't know if you visited China during that time, but it was fabulous.
Bookstore I'd go to called the Bookworm, owned by a British woman.
And that's where all the expats were hanging out.
It was like really cool and sexy.
I was a student and it was just like a fun, exciting place.
It was wonderful.
The idea that there was a kind of common acceptance that we weren't defined by tribalism, but by unity.
Autonomy within that unity, autonomous elected groups and responsive and responsible institutions within those groups.
Sounds sort of super exciting, but what globalism kind of became is invisible power inserting itself into every aspect of your life, in your pocket, in your private life, in your computer, in your phone, in your mind, in your home, telling you that it's only doing that to help you.
Well, it turned into Klaus Schwab's version of globalism, which is a small group of people...
Running the entire cultural and financial agenda of the planet.
That was not globalization, right?
Globalization was supposed to be, like, cultures.
You know, you'd be able to share cultures.
You'd invite delegations from China here, and we would share with them our American culture.
And, like, American students could go over to China and experience, like, all this ancient wisdom that's been preserved in Asia and China, or what made it through the Communist Revolution.
But that was Deng Xiaoping's goal for China when he opened it.
And then what happened was, I believe, if you remember, Klaus Schwab at Davos one year had Xi Jinping come and basically give the keynote, stating that China was now the new world power.
Leading up to that moment, after Hu Jintao stepped down, I think that there was kind of a coup of all of China, led by Klaus Schwab and his affiliates.
And China was going to be the mega power in the world, which is what it's trying to become through BRICS as well, which is intentionally designed to leave the United States out.
And really this flipping of the narrative.
Because the Chinese didn't always believe that they were a superior entity.
And in fact, many Chinese still look to the West for cultural identity.
Because you need a strong West for the Chinese to be who they are as a great nation.
If there's a weak West, China just ends up being this grabby, acultural, uneventful, uninteresting place.
We need a strong America to bring balance.
It's like the yin and the yang.
These two entities need to be in balance.
And I think that I'm half Chinese and half Irish German.
I feel like so much of my life has been about trying to create that yin and yang in my own life.
And I see it happening on this macro, giant, global scale right now.
And then you have this Klaus Schwab, who really is like a cancer.
He's like a cultural cancer in the world, who is trying to create this mega block, which is what cancer cells do.
They create these cells that don't properly respirate and do the natural cellular life process.
He's kind of just creating this mast-sized block.
And he wants, and it's like part of that is the destruction of Western civilization.
Because you need that for total global domination, which, you know, anyways, we're like totally getting off track here.
But to answer your question, I, you know, I went into politics always being an intellectual.
And now that I've been a politician, it's very clear to me.
Like, where all of these players on the board are in the sense of, well, what part of the timeline is America in right now?
And America really is in the timeline of salvation.
Like, we need to have a massive salvation in this country, and it will inspire so much globally.
The stronger we are here, the more...
Wonderful China can be in its own cultural awareness.
Does that make sense?
Well, yeah, as much as I can make sense of it because you're much better informed on so many of these subjects than I am.
Particularly when you're talking about the kind of polarized dynamics between emergent Chinese power and what I would up until recently regarding the atrophying power of a great nation like this one, the United States of America.
I do not understand geopolitics.
At all well.
Maybe I don't even understand anything that well.
But what I'm particularly fascinated by, Nicole, when I hear you talk about having an interest in becoming politically involved in the state of California, presumably because of the social decline there, the poverty, the failure of many of their liberal policies, the general loathing of a figure like Gavin Newsom, like California's own Justin Trudeau,
appears to have reached a kind of high pitch and high fever in this immediate aftermath appears to have reached a kind of high pitch and high fever in Emblematic events like that seem to bring to the forefront a kind of sense of disdain.
And I imagine after you backed, and I feel like you're a significant part of the success of Bobby Kennedy's campaign when he was running independently, and I reckon that him joining the MAGA movement and ultimately becoming Secretary of and I reckon that him joining the MAGA movement and ultimately becoming like a sort of massive win for Maha, massive win for America.
I wonder how you now are going to direct your endeavors and attention and time and you said towards California.
And I wonder in what way and how.
Okay.
So, one of the gifts I've realized I've had over the last year is political advertising.
I don't know if you saw some of that.
Yeah, you've done good stuff.
It was like the TDS ad, which I was creative on that one.
That was my...
So what do you mean?
Concept?
You're like, I think it should be this.
Well, yeah, because we were, I was like, you know, I called up our editor and I was like, hey, I have this idea for this, like, pharma commercial, but it's for TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome, and then I, like, outlined it all.
And it turned out just beautifully.
And then, you know, trying to tell the MAGA story.
Like, who the hell are these MAGA peoples to individuals who think MAGAs are deplorable?
So then sat down and was like, what's the best way we can talk about the MAGA stories?
And it was about a British explorer coming to the United States and having first contact with the MAGA peoples.
So this is my story that I'm going to tell about California.
So you've heard of this woke mind virus.
Do you know where it came from?
the La Brea tar pits.
Anyway, so that's, that's this, I really believe that in a world of manufactured narratives, this construction of woke, which has overtaken Hollywood and has overtaken Los Angeles which has overtaken Hollywood and has overtaken Los Angeles and California and all major cities across the United States.
it was created in Hollywood.
It was created in Hollywood with the influence of Many different individuals, many of which are associated with the Democratic Party.
Others potentially are influenced by WEF-style individuals, the World Economic Forum groups.
And wokeism, or the woke mindset, was produced and delivered from Los Angeles.
And now look at what's gone on in Los Angeles.
It's literally more tar than you could ever imagine after the fire.
So it's this, you know, this idea like we will only succeed in preserving Western civilization if our narratives are a parody of the manufactured narrative.
We have to parody over these other Storylines that are so destructive to Western civilization.
And I think you understand this.
Humor has an incredibly important role to play in this.
But also the creativity of the mind weaving together the culture that has made America.
This idea that a British explorer from the UK, which is undergoing such seismic cultural shift right now, comes to America to discover this group of deplorables.
Turns out to be the most fabulous group of people, most brave group of people on the planet right now fighting for liberty.
You're going to do it like it's a National Geographic tribal missionary expedition with like almost someone in a pith helmet arriving on the shores of Los Angeles, well not Los Angeles if they're discovering MAGA, maybe Florida or Texas.
Does Texas have a shore?
It certainly has borders.
And that's how they'll...
Discover MAGA Tribes.
You know, I was thinking that, just based on what I've heard, I've talked about this a bit, I suppose.
Out of academia, through post-structuralism and forms of relativism, things that we have long assumed to be true, ideas like man and woman, that do have a spectrum within them and do have exceptions, no question, were now up for negotiation and up to be challenged.
And from this sort of deconstructionist perspective, an idea like the family or the nation.
Could be scrutinised and pulled apart.
While some of it was unfolding, like, for example, statues being pulled down and things like that, and I could understand the fury and the rage, and plainly you could if you've supported initiatives to investigate the veracity and integrity of San Francisco Police Force was one cause you said you were involved in a long time ago before your personal political awakening.
I can...
I really can see how there's some legitimacy to scrutinising ideas.
Like, well, what is a country, really?
It's a sort of an agreement.
But actually, when you look at American, in particular, American history, because so much of it is so recent, and it's so obviously, therefore, kind of well documented, we can really sort of get a sense of what that struggle was, firstly.
Anti-unfear taxation, anti-imperial struggle.
It's got its own layer after layer of complexity and brutality that most people are aware of and familiar with.
But it's a very inspiring story, the establishment of America.
There's some of the stories of individual and collective heroism that emerge out of that.
And when you start to pick it apart and go, well, these guys own slaves and in particular the impact of slavery.
If there isn't...
What I've found to be right interesting, Nicole, about the woke movement is it...
Kind of, I was at least culturally observing political correctness from the 1980s onwards, where it seems in some ways that there was a need to look at how, like say in my country, black people or Pakistani people or women were spoken about in comedy.
If you watch something from a little while ago, oh man, we've talked about this with American friends recently, in my country, the newspapers like The Sun and The Mirror, which were the best-selling newspaper, on page three, like you turn over the first page, It was a naked woman, every day.
And it was like, never, like, you know, maybe they'd be wearing, like, under...
Underwear on the bottom half.
But they were naked and some of these girls were like 16 years old and there were some cases where someone would be like 15 and they'd be lobbying, oh, when's she going to be allowed?
Now I was thinking about this.
It wasn't like the populace were lobbying to objectify young women.
The media were objectifying young women because that was the trend then and that was the fashion and that was the favour and that was the tendency and people will respond to strong cues like naked bodies.
These are pretty potent signals for people.
At that point, political correctness was like, you can't objectify women like that.
I don't think it's good for women, I don't think it's good for men, I don't think it's good for any of us.
Maybe we should be looking at the kind of language we're using around Pakistani people and black people.
I remember learning that.
I was going through adolescence, I guess, while that was happening.
So I was coming into adulthood and thinking, that seems like a pretty sensible set of adjustments to make, even as a white person in a country that's not particularly difficult.
Or at least not in the same way that America is, by racial dynamics.
But what it's become, if you ask me, is hollowed out of all actual virtue and no real willingness to sacrifice or service or cost or consequence.
And I suppose, to your point, that it centres around Hollywood, even though I would...
I don't argue that it might have had roots elsewhere and certainly academia has played a part of undergirding it intellectually.
It found its fulfillment for sure in the entertainment industry.
And I suppose that might be in part, Nicole, because the entertainment industry don't have to back up.
People can say a bunch of stuff and then don't have to back it up with action or cost or compromise or consequence.
And it sounds like you might have gone through a real journey with that.
See, when you're saying that about Klaus Schwab or the state of California, I reckon that you'd be the very type of person, attractive, biracial, wealthy, outspoken, mission-oriented, that they would be like, we've got to recruit this woman because she's going to fund us and advance our course.
So for them to have lost...
You, I feel like they're in serious trouble if they can't hang on to people that you would imagine would be at the apex of their constituency.
Yeah, yeah, and brought a bunch of people with me.
I mean, we brought all the Crunchy Moms, right?
So the Crunchy Moms being the liberal.
They all came.
Yeah, the liberal women who, you know, look at ingredients on their makeup and are like, maybe I don't want to, you know, get all of the stuff that has toxic chemicals and smeared it all over my face.
I mean, all of those women, a lot of them left the Democratic Party.
That's a big constituency for them.
That's massive.
Yeah, big constituency.
Yeah, so give that up.
And it's really interesting because, you know, in the heart of Silicon Valley, the moms at my daughter's preschool are coming up to me and they're like, we're voting for you, but, you know, shh.
It was pretty amazing because these were, you know, women that, some of them work at Stanford, they're academics, they're lifetime, lifetime Democrats.
To be able to come over and say, can I get a Kennedy hat?
Do you think that party's finished, the Democrat Party, that it's kind of eviscerated and directionless?
I was watching something on our show recently, like Kamala Harris talking to a Broadway...
Well, they draw the line at Trump, though, a lot of them.
Right.
So a lot were willing to vote for Kennedy, for HHS, and kind of, you know, circle next to Trump and Vance.
So they're not necessarily like huge Trump fans.
And a lot of them are kind of like, you know, reading the news and like, it's like white knuckling right now.
They're like, this is really crazy.
I know.
And so I feel like I really serve as like a source of calm.
And I do try to break down what some of these more dramatic actions Trump has taken, what they actually mean, how to put it, how to think about it in context.
For example, this outroar over Elon Musk.
I try to remind everyone that before Elon Musk, there was this woman named Megan Smith.
Megan Smith helped launch Google X. It was their moonshot factory.
She went on to run the United States Digital Service on behalf of the For the president, President Obama.
And she started something, helped start something called 18F at the White House.
So these were doge.
Cut back, cut back on bureaucracy type endeavors.
Yeah, they were tech teams that went in and mined all the data.
They just didn't mine it for efficiency purposes.
They mined it for activist purposes.
Really?
So that's not even unique.
It's extraordinary, isn't it, when you see something framed, particularly prior to the electoral success.
So many, Cage is being an obvious example, so many stories were not unique to Trump.
And sometimes I felt that both sides would...
Probably feel squeamish about the sort of similarities.
Like the example you've just given, even something like Doge, where people are sort of clutching their pearls and their cheeks simultaneously has a precedent in the Obama administration.
No one would sort of care about that because they liked the packaging.
But I suppose maybe...
They had a whole police data initiative where they had unelected People come in on contracts and just mine through whatever police data and records unredacted that they wanted.
To what end?
Well, a lot of it was to identify problem police officers.
Right, so as long as they can find a legitimate excuse for deeper surveillance and more control, then that's...
It was all for surveillance purposes.
What do you think California needs?
California needs a significant audit.
Gavin Newsom put our state into historic amounts of debt.
Runaway debt right now.
Half a trillion dollars of runaway debt.
In the state of California alone, half a trillion dollars.
Insane.
And we are, you know, really struggling as a state right now with water management.
Our farmland is going dry.
There was a bill a few years ago to put in new water infrastructure and water storage.
They've built virtually nothing.
Fire mitigation and, you know, the geoengineering.
A lot of the geoengineering stuff that foundations and Academia is involved in some of these projects.
There are startups involved in the government funds.
A lot of geoengineering right now in the United States.
And a lot of it's happening along the California coastline.
When you see how Bobby Kennedy is treated in media, let's say the kind of media that comes out of Hollywood and California, you know, say you seem sort of kind of ridiculed by Colbert and like the...
Campaigns of vilification that accompanied his confirmation.
Drink him all.
Right.
It's just standard and accepted.
And then the way that in general, President Trump is discussed in the same circles.
Do you feel that if California, not the whole state, but obviously like Los Angeles in particular.
Is defined by what happens there in terms of entertainment industry and media, is it fair to say?
Do you feel that that, in addition to these obvious economic and infrastructural failings that you just listed, is something that should be addressed?
Because it does seem odd to me that there is no centralised or blue-chip media that is sort of open or positive to what's happening in the world or in your country politically.
Because one of the things that's been sort of very difficult for me...
To help me have an understanding of what's going on politically.
It was so significant when Bobby Kennedy and Tulsi Gabbard joined the Trump campaign.
And there was no one on CNN or CBS or NBC or NMSNBC that would go, this is actually pretty amazing because there's a political figure who's sort of more, you don't want to say left or liberal, because those words are all starting to be kind of tainted, but someone that's more anti-corporate and more anti-institutional and more willing to take on Big Pharma and more sort of environmentally tuned in in a way that matters, respectful and reverential.
The law of nature, right in the heart of the MAGA movement, this story's got to be told.
No one's going to tell that story, Nicole.
No one in media...
Excuse me.
So when talking about California and what's going on right there, and you said it's like...
Jokingly, the Brea Tar Pits is the sort of incubation point for woke mind virus.
So don't you reckon then that in part when assessing California's role in American culture, the West and wokeism, and sort of a reappraisal and change around the way media's behaving, we've seen Bezos go over, we've seen Zuckerberg go over.
The money and the tech has magnetised predictably, I suppose, to Trump and to power.
But media's still behaving in the kind of...
I did see yesterday, did you ever follow Ezra Klein?
No.
He's a very elite, well-spoken columnist and he just did a big video.
For the New York Times yesterday, I believe it was their Sunday edition.
That's right.
And he starts to call out the failures of the Democratic Party.
And he starts to call out the corruption and the inefficiency and the inability to get anything done.
He even calls out the billions of dollars spent on electric car chargers that produce no electric car chargers.
And he's like, where does that money go?
And it's true, you know.
The folks on the right, they're totally right to call this stuff out.
But then he does this really strange cognitive jujitsu where he then comes back and says that, you know, but really it's the right.
it's the right wing that um doesn't really have their own thought or their own voice and they're just these cogs that you know you plug the chip into and then they go along with the right wing eat it because he was trying to flip the meme around um that the right has always accused the left of which is that there are these you know those gray those gray cartoon figures do you see those ones the great cartoon figures the mpcs yes i you know
i didn't really those those I'm still catching up on all of this.
But they're like non-player characters.
Non-player characters, yes.
That when you're playing a computer game, which we try not to do anymore because otherwise I'd lose myself, that there are some characters that don't have a narrative or a life, that they're just being moved around in a herd, that they have no agency.
Yes, yes.
He used exactly that analogy.
And so...
And he was trying to spin around through this really intense intellectual jujitsu and he was like, actually, it's not the left that are the NPCs.
It's the right that are the NPCs.
But he can't actually finish the argument.
He's trying.
Really hard, but he can't quite pull it off.
And I think that that, you know, really goes to the point that the left right now is so lost.
They readily admit that they're lost and they readily admit that they're struggling to find their identity and they're struggling to find their moral high ground.
And my recommendation is to those individuals is I've been there and you have to actually leave the party and admit that you have to admit that the left has been hijacked.
It's like a plane that got hijacked and you are a passenger on that plane and you must get off and pull your parachute immediately because the individuals that have hijacked that plane, they do not care about you.
They do not care about this country and they do not really care about civility and it's time for you to get off.
Yes, I guess that's something we're all going to be participating in for a while.
It's encouraging people, hey, listen, because I still don't like to think of myself, gosh, I'm spending a lot of time in Florida, and I love being, do you know what I mostly like?
Rednecks.
I love them people.
In a truck.
I want a red truck so bad.
I want a red old Ford.
That's the way to live.
Yes.
So my point here is that people have been condemned mostly on the basis of sort of kind of class prejudice and a condemnation of the values that are actually integral to America.
Like Christianity, a connection to the land, patriotism, decency, family life.
There's no reason why those things mean that people that live differently ought to be maligned or condemned.
But the fact is that the majority of people live in that way and to claim that it's because of a massive social project that has no veracity in its undergirding.
It's a little bogus, things like Christianity and a nuclear family.
But this is where, when I say about post-structuralism coming out of academia before he hits the culture, there's another family in real...
And how white Christian nationalism is a bad thing.
Yeah.
I mean, anything that needs a prefix of a colour, you know, like a...
I mean, I suppose there's sort of some inquiry that can be made.
But, because I do like, what do I like?
Variety.
I like variety.
Variety of people and exciting new cultures.
But you, like, as a point that's sort of pretty frequently made, that if you move into a country or a culture because you love it, there are certain aspects of that culture and country that you presumably revere and respect and ought to behave in accordance with that reverence when you arrive or participate in that culture.
It doesn't seem like an unreasonable argument.
A couple of things.
You've been married to a super powerful person.
Oh, I've met your ex-wife.
I was married to Katie Perry when I was younger.
Sometimes when people want to ask me about Katie Perry, I feel like, don't ask me about Katie Perry because that's an intimate thing from the past that I'm respectful of.
But I do want to ask you this, but we could cut it if you didn't like it.
When people talk about the power of...
I hear stuff like this.
Facebook and Google were set up with CIA money.
They're CIA carve-outs.
I hear things like Larry Page and Serge Brin's PhDs were funded by CIA carve-outs.
NSF grants and stuff like that.
That kind of thing for me is super interesting because it undermines the idea that these people were geniuses.
I guess they've got to be pretty smart to do the stuff they've done.
I wonder what you think about that.
I can keep it broad if you want.
Like the idea that Mark Zuckerberg isn't some genius who came up with Facebook in his garage.
Larry Page and Serge Brin having access to whatever technology is used for Google Maps is an indication that there must be some sort of back-channel relationships.
That's how it was explained to be by Mike Benz.
What do you think about that?
I have a lot of thoughts about it.
I don't know that I can put them all out there.
You know, the remaining 15 minutes, I think it's a much larger conversation.
But, you know, the fact that Stanford receives an enormous amount of money from the government for research grants is pretty well established.
It's been like that for a while now, several decades.
Stanford has always had, if you look at Stanford's board and Google's board, there's a lot of overlap.
Yeah, and then if you look at those board members and various, you know, political relationship, there's a lot of overlap.
And this is just how the United States has been for a while.
Our academic institutions, which You know, have some of the best researchers on the planet, attract some of the greatest minds and PhDs.
I was a Stanford fellow as well.
No way!
Yeah, yeah.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, I had...
In what?
In computer science and law.
Oh, so you know all that stuff.
And AI, yeah.
Oh, wow.
Oh, my God.
So I was an AI, young AI entrepreneur, young tech lawyer, developing a very early, very, at the time, very groundbreaking neural network, trained using, you know, deep learning methods.
And it was really brilliant, actually, and built it and sold the company and was with Sorge at the time.
I mean, my life was...
As fantastic as I could have ever dreamed as a kid.
I mean, this was hitting all of my life goals.
Were you like 19 or 20 or something like that?
You were young and you were at school.
Well, at this point, I was already an attorney and I was asked to go back into becoming an academic fellow, which is like, you know, to be a fellow at Stanford University.
Highly prestigious.
It's a big deal.
And you don't have...
All of the obligations of a professor.
But you get to, like, you have that procedure to research.
So, you know, I was on top of the world then.
And I really thought that everything the university was doing, everything Google was doing, everything I was doing separately, was really for the benefit of humanity and for global peace and for global innovation.
Like many people, the pandemic and my own experience raising a young child changed everything.
Within the years 2020 and 2022, my entire reality was eviscerated.
What I thought was reality was completely eviscerated.
And I was seeing things that didn't make sense.
I was experiencing things that didn't make sense.
I was questioning my sanity constantly.
And the powers that be in Silicon Valley and just the United States at that time really made me question.
You know, my logic, my ability to form logical conclusions, because what was happening was illogical at that time.
It wasn't the data and the narratives and the incredible speed at which everything was deployed globally.
The misunderstanding about, you know...
Like the food supply chain and like toilet paper and all of it.
I mean, it was maddening, right?
And I was seeing the data and I'm a data scientist and it wasn't lining up with these dramatic, draconian...
These policies, these lockdown policies, but yet everyone around me was telling me like, this is what must be done and the fear and like, you know, the fear that I put on others because of the fear that I was told to have.
None of it made any sense.
And when you behave in that way, and I went along with it, right?
I was one of the first in line for the Moderna vaccine.
By that time, I was totally nuts.
I had totally lost my sense of self-trust.
I couldn't trust myself because internally I was saying this is all wrong, but externally I was having to do all of the things as we all had to.
But I was incubated.
I was in this like, you know, billionaire's complex, completely cut off in many ways from other people.
So it was, yeah, I mean...
It was horrifying having to reconcile a reality that you know to be untrue with your intuition.
Gaslight, I suppose, is the phrase people use.
These days that you're being invited, stroke bullied into believing into a reality that causes you to doubt yourself.
And I didn't have any of the cool punk kids who were like, this shit's stupid.
I'm going to Panama.
You know, like I wanted to go hang out with those people that like took the pandemic and, you know, started camping everywhere.
And I was like, I would be like them.
But what culturally you were in a group that had to sort of take it all seriously and wear a mask and wave a flag and get into it.
Do you have pictures of me in a swimming pool wearing a mask?
Oh no, man.
What did they do?
That doesn't actually make sense, does it?
It was a project of bewilderment, wasn't it?
And it really kind of succeeded and worked.
It detonated people's ability to remain connected.
If you escalate the general levels of fear...
You legitimise authority, and I think it's been powers probably always use those kind of dynamics.
Maybe the real distinction is that we could observe in real time, hold on, this doesn't make sense, and then we could communicate that.
They couldn't alienate and isolate people sufficiently, that people couldn't have personal epiphanies at whatever stage.
There are some people that have, generally speaking, felt...
At ease and comfortable with their relationships with power structures and those people probably remained in alignment.
Like you said a minute ago, there will be people now to this day that you'll struggle to get them to come on over.
All these people you've hated because you think they're chest-painting, tub-thumping, MAGA-supporting racists, they're probably not that.
In fact, to the part of Florida where I spend a lot of time, you really get that sense of earthed people that are kind of not quite...
in some intellectual cultural fantasy but very simple plain and practical values about freedom.
Oh I know I mean Miami was the first place I came after I got my first shot because I had been watching from afar these people of Florida living freely for the last year.
Florida was only really locked down for three months.
In Silicon Valley, we were locked down for well over a year.
The people that had the most data, the people that had the most information, the people that had in many ways the most...
Power when it comes to communication and the ability to evaluate and assess truth were the people that clung on to what we have to sort of acknowledge now as a lie, even though there's not been a sufficient inquiry or reckoning, and there may yet be with Bobby being in the position that he's in.
But those are the people that held on most tenaciously.
It sounds like it really sort of obviously affected everyone, that's the nature of a pandemic, but it sort of personally and politically impacted you.
Well, I think for individuals that...
We're really deep in it, and my whole life I've listened to my inner voice.
My logic and reason guided me out of, you know, many challenging childhood experiences and, like, got me to where I got.
Like, I wasn't, you know, I didn't get shooed into a prestigious college.
I went to University of Puget Sound, this tiny little school that gave me a merit scholarship.
And then I worked my butt off to get to that point of prestige.
Yes, well done.
Like so hard.
And that's all because I listened to my inner voice and my logic and my intuition.
So for the first time in my life, I'm told that like all of that is wrong.
And that to be even entertaining any of that is sinister.
Right?
So like the internal conflict.
That I experienced.
And I didn't know who RFK was.
I had never heard of his stuff.
I wasn't on that part of the internet.
No, I wasn't on that part of the internet.
And then my daughter gets diagnosed with autism two months into the lockdown.
And so...
How old is your daughter?
She's now six.
She's now six.
How is she?
She's the most wonderful person in the whole world.
She's just the best.
You know, she's been handed a really hard...
Why do you mention her autism and her autism diagnosis now?
Why do I mention it now in this context?
Because, you know, I think that a lot of my journey up until this point has been understanding the mechanisms by which psychology can be weaponized against really smart people.
And my psychology around my daughter's diagnosis and my psychology during the pandemic were ones that were so intense.
Because again, like, my daughter was totally healthy and then it's like, after her MMR, she suddenly started having all these problems.
But like, I couldn't...
I couldn't even say that suddenly after that.
I couldn't even mention the vaccine.
Even when I joined Bobby's campaign, it was almost impossible for me to talk about this story until then I had to qualify my experience against, it probably was about 4,000 stories in of similar ones of people coming up to me during the campaign.
Looking through tears in their eyes and sharing their stories with me, that I started to trust that part of my instinct.
That was like, it was, it was definitely the, right?
And even today, I'm like, well, we still need to investigate it because I'm not like 100% certain.
But like, there's so much now.
There's so much evidence that like, for me to continue to silence that intuition, that same intuition that brought me to Stanford.
It would be such an injustice.
And that is where we are today in society.
We have to understand how very sophisticated practices of psychological manipulation have been used.
And that inner voice that you have.
Man, I thought I was a logical person.
Like, I thought that all.
Like, I thought I was...
It was, like, all working and the machine...
Like, this life that I built, this, like, mechanism of interfacing with the world was working and then it all broke down.
And why did it break down?
It broke down because I stopped trusting that voice that always served me.
That's, like, the darkest thing, isn't it?
And when I think of how, like, that particular political movement...
Claims to be, among other things, the protector of the vulnerable, whether that's women and girls or ethnic minorities or refugees or whatever.
that actually you see that part of what that movement does, by which I mean a movement that equates care with power and Control.
Yeah, they sort of blur that line between care into control But what they're actually what that is on a personal or subjective Excuse me level is making people doubt themselves and making people overwhelm or ignore their motherly instinct Like that's not that's like evil Yeah, no the New York Times had an opinion article last year that said that motherly instinct is a myth created by men Oh
How are you selling that as misogyny?
Reverence for the divine feminine is sexist.
They'll say anything.
They'll say anything.
They changed all the rules.
They switched everything up.
They refrained stuff.
Everything's up for negotiation.
It's the work of the devil, it must be.
I mean, I'm recently a Christian like you.
How come?
I mean, I've always loved God since I was a little girl.
And I converted to Judaism about 11 years ago.
Because I was always in love with Jewish men for whatever reason since a little girl.
But I'm hearing a lot of that today.
Really?
Yeah.
And so I never had, like, I've always admired Jesus.
I've always admired Christians.
I never understood it in my life until I started to really see evil in the world.
And see, like...
What do you mean?
I mean, this...
I've never, like, anthropomorphized evil, like, turned it into, like, a physical form or, like...
I know what anthropomorphized means.
Okay.
I didn't want to assume.
Assume.
Assume.
Unless it's, like, some tech word.
You assume.
So, you know...
I never did until I started to see things that, like, were unexplicable.
You know, and, like, I didn't want to believe that they were true.
Like, I didn't want to believe that there were, like, all of these missing children in America.
And I didn't want to believe that, like, there was a couple that would solely adopt children to abuse them.
Oh, that's not an easy belief.
I don't want to believe that still.
It is unbelievable.
I'm still trying to not believe it.
It's just like that, you know, I can't.
And then the deception.
The deception of turning...
Things that are natural and beautiful and making them ugly.
Yeah.
Right?
Like taking nature.
That's diabolical.
Yeah.
And then changing the narrative and turning it and like then saying, no, no, no.
Things that are nature and natural and just the wisdom of the ancient ways is like, you know, sexist or racist or blah, blah, whatever.
Well, like that New York Times thing.
But that's not as bad as the sex trafficking and the adopting to abuse.
I mean, they were pretty dark, dark examples.
But then what, you think there's an attack on nature, an attack on divinity and the sublime, and this has pushed you towards our Lord and Savior Jesus?
Yeah, and then I started seeing, like, the decay of, like, saying that, like, children should never be sexualized.
Like, that was, it was like, let's change definitions and then let's sexualize children because we're using different definitions now.
Like, that was where...
Did you see that?
What, you saw people sexualizing?
What do you mean?
Like all that Bugatti stuff, that kind of thing.
I mean, all of the drag shows where they get kids dressing up.
Yeah, that wasn't good, man.
And like, you know, my liberal brain was like, wow, that little kid is like...
Participating in, you know, pride.
Yeah, that's not good, is it?
Because it's about sex.
Yeah, but this is all...
That isn't good.
This is really nasty.
And then to be like, oh, but you can't have that because now you're anti-trans.
And I'm like, but I'm not...
You know, I'm like, but I'm accepting.
I'm an accepting person.
Who's got time to be anti-anything so niche?
I mean, that is very niche.
Do what you want.
Who cares?
But yeah, can you leave the kids out of it?
Yeah, because when you actually think about it rationally for a moment...
Whether you were dressing a child up to participate in a role play or dynamic that was heterosexual or homosexual or pansexual or whatever, that ain't right.
Because that's a kid.
And almost the dictionary definition of a kid is prepubescent, not procreational, not below the...
Bar for consent, below the bar for sexuality.
Just try and negotiate around that.
And I have seen some sort of highfalutin op-eds.
Plainly, paedophilia is a thing.
Plainly, there's some sort of enormous market for it.
Plainly, there's all this trafficking going on.
Plainly, there's some occultist dimension to it.
Plainly, it's going on in the upper echelons of society, not just some diffuse thing.
Yeah.
No, and then you start to be like, okay, demons are real.
Okay, deception is real.
Okay, Satan is real.
And the minute you do that, you're like, holy shit, I need God.
Not just God, but I need somebody who's going to really protect.
Like, my soul and the soul of humanity.
Yeah.
And I need help.
I really, really need help with all of this.
Like, you know, I've been praying to God for a long time.
I, you know, reading the Torah.
But, like, Jesus, honestly, you read the New Testament, and it is the completion of this arc for humanity.
And it is this completion of this promise that And this desire God has for us to have a good, loving life in His image.
We are here just to love and serve our Heavenly Father.
We're not going around converting people.
I personally believe that.
Unless they want good converting.
Otherwise I'll baptize them right up.
It'll get such a baptizing.
That's me smashing the cross under the water.
Did you get in a river or something?
Or what did you get in?
Come on, you.
What did you do in?
Bottled water?
We used my heated swimming pool.
But it was really nice.
Yay!
You should have done it getting to the proper stinking river.
No, you're Baptist.
I'm not criticizing your baptism.
Did your bishop do it?
She did.
That's good, isn't it?
Perfect.
Spot on.
Lovely.
I'm going to go around baptizing people.
Why don't you?
Are you going to start doing that?
I've baptized already.
I stopped for a while.
Are you sure that you're qualified for that?
We're all qualified.
Is that true?
Yeah.
I don't feel qualified to do that.
The apostles were doing it.
He goes, get out there.
I need to bake a little bit more.
Yeah, yeah.
Nicole, thanks for coming on and thanks for chatting to us.
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