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Feb. 20, 2025 - Stay Free - Russel Brand
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Live from Mar-a-Lago: The Globalist Empire’s Last Stand – SF541
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Thank you.
Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free Oracles with Russell Brand, Lara Logan, and Neil Oliver, live from Mar-a-Lago.
Well, it's pre-taped.
We're live.
I mean, we're actually live.
Lara, how lovely to actually meet you in human person.
In human person?
Is there another kind of person?
Yeah, there's these reptilian master race that the globalists have been trying to put in control.
With us from Stirling, Scotland, it's the coast guy himself, my doppelganger in salt and pepper beauty, Neil Oliver.
Oh, behold, behold.
He's been on another safari.
I didn't realise that you two hadn't been in the same room before.
This is actually the first time you've...
I'm telling you, the chemistry is electrifying, Neil.
If you were here as well, I don't know that people would stay fully clothed, to be honest with you.
It's a good thing you didn't make the journey.
I'll just have to be back here with my menagerie.
What a menage it is.
I guess I'm responsible for hosting duties and I believe there's going to be an attempt to put us in different boxes by Massey at some point.
But I like it when you're watching a TV show and someone's elbow comes into the shot like that.
It's pretty good fun.
We're in Mar-a-Lago.
If you're watching us now on X or on YouTube or on Rumble, wherever you're watching us, we will be with you for about 20-30 minutes and we're going to be discussing the most significant and defining stories of the week.
For example, Germany's hate speech.
And is Nazism the only way to oppose...
Nazism.
That seems to be a fundamental argument there.
Only by extraordinarily disruptive control.
Oh, you're more of a pain in the arse in person.
I get it.
We'll also be talking about our country, the United Kingdom, me and Neil's country, sending troops to Ukraine and the fissure that's emerged between the United States of America and Europe when it comes to the Ukraine-Russia conflict and also Trump's audacious big...
To cut military spending by 50% in a kind of trilateral superpower pact with China and Russia.
That's a fascinating story.
We'll be talking about all of that.
So remember, join us in the comments and chat.
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But without further ado, I mean, Neil, let's let Lara speak first because, let's face it, she dominates UNI, doesn't she?
Generally speaking.
As well she might.
As well she might.
And particularly as today...
Lara is dressed for Mar-a-Lago, so I think you'll get an ultra Mar-a-Lago Lara Logan, and that's the most powerful form of Lara Logan that there is.
Thank you for explaining why I'm sitting here in this dress.
Although he destroyed my hair, Neil.
He made me walk all across the club to the beach.
It's a tornado out there.
Just to clarify, it was the wind that destroyed Lara Logan's hair.
There has been no physical contact.
Is it warm?
Is it balmy?
Yes, it's balmy but overcast.
Farmy but breezy here in Mar-a-Lago, Neil.
Don't you make yourself the anchor and we're like outside correspondents.
What's it like at Stirling Castle?
Look at him.
It's lovely in the castle.
It's lovely in the castle, but we struggle for staff.
How's that maintenance working out?
Yeah, this is a big overhead.
DIY. Mate, come on then.
I'm just going to play a clip in.
I'm going to play a clip in for us so that we can discuss these Germany hate speech and censorship laws.
And maybe we can even consider how USAID was being used to bolster the censorship efforts in the United States of America.
Let's look first, though, at 60 Minutes' investigation into Germany's hate speech laws, which led to people being jailed in Germany, as they have been in the UK, for the crime of typing stuff on the internet.
Let's have a look.
It's 6.01 on a Tuesday morning, and we were with state police as they raided this apartment in northwest Germany.
Inside, six armed officers searched a suspect's home, then seized his laptop and cell phone.
Prosecutors say those electronics may have been used to commit a crime.
The crime?
Posting a racist cartoon online.
Well, there you have it.
Laura, what do you make of these increasing censorship measures in Germany?
I think Victor Davis Hansen said it best, if you know him.
He's a great guest for you.
Victor said it sort of when everything else has failed.
You need censorship to hold the lies together.
And I think that's what we're looking at here.
These woke policies have failed.
Germany's been completely invaded.
You go all over Germany, and everywhere there's signs, even in the airport, for you to go and pray for Islamic prayers, which is fine.
I mean, it doesn't bother me if you want to have that.
But what does it say about what's happened to Germany?
They didn't need that 20 years ago, did they?
And then there's a more sinister thing underneath that.
Which is, you know, I know a woman whose aunt works at a hotel in Germany.
And every New Year's Eve, the workers, the women, have to stay at the hotel.
Because these gangs of, migrant gangs, it's obviously a very organized effort, go out on New Year's Eve and they rape German women.
And that happens all over Europe.
It happens in Sweden.
It happens, you know, across the Nordic countries.
And they've suppressed this and buried it.
Because, you know, we don't want to, there's no hiding from the truth.
There's no hiding from the truth.
And we know, why do we have the First Amendment?
Because we know that when you don't have freedom of speech, you don't have accountability.
So censorship, by your reckoning, Lara, is an attempt to impede dissent.
Neil, is that largely how you view censorship?
I know it's something that you've been impacted indirectly.
I know the kind of accusations that have been levelled at you since you became more of an outspoken critic of centralised power and a sort of progressivist attempt to curtail free speech.
Do you share Lara's view that...
Censorship is ultimately about power and is kind of a last and desperate bid to control a collapsing narrative.
It's absolutely absurd and ridiculous now.
It's laughable, which I think is, I mean, in many respects, I think when you push these things in this way, it is actually dangerous at some level because we all operate instinctively, I think, really, because we have lived in relatively civilised, relatively peaceable societies.
And everybody knows the parameters within which polite society happens, what you can say, what you can't say, what you shouldn't say.
You know, it's all about respecting the other person.
You know, my rights and freedoms end where your rights and freedoms begin.
And, you know, if everybody kind of instinctively knows that, and I think it's absolutely absurd.
J.D. Vance, that much-covered speech that he gave, You know, he actually singled out Scotland for special attention because he pointed out that, you know, that letters were being sent out to people living within a certain distance of, you know, abortion clinics.
And they were being warned that if they were praying in there, praying in their homes, they could be breaking the law, even though they were in their homes and, you know, behind closed doors and doing their own thing.
And when it comes to that point, it's utterly, utterly absurd.
And I think it becomes beholden upon people to throw off the shackles of all of it.
I mean, I've been saying for a long time now that if I was offered, which is coming down to a binary choice between tolerating everyone saying absolutely anything and everything without consequence, or every morning being handed some sort of laminated card.
Or the electronic equivalent thereof, and being told, you have to say this, and if you stray from this, you're going to jail.
If that was the binary choice, I would have to go with anyone can say absolutely anything to anyone without fear of consequences.
And this ridiculousness that we're seeing unfold in Germany, there's something, it's almost like a parable.
It's almost as though somebody's...
Some bizarre comedy unfolding because, as you said in your introductory remarks, Russell, that you're deploying the tactics of Nazism in order to stop Nazism, so to speak.
And that that would be happening in Germany, where there are still plenty of people alive who remember what happened in Germany in the 1930s and the 1940s.
Is somebody just taking the piss?
Is somebody being deliberately ridiculous?
Deliberately inflammatory?
And if so, what kind of reaction are they trying to provoke?
Censorship is...
I'm not...
I am against censorship.
Like I say, I would far rather live in a world...
Between the two extremes, I would let anybody say anything and, you know, whatever.
And society would sort that out for itself.
And if we're moving into this ridiculous situation where people are just being told what they can say and they jolly well better say that or they can go to jail well, the game's a bogey at that point.
I discovered this plucky upstart, Neil Oliver, a fresh-faced kid from Stirling, Scotland.
No, no, he's had a brilliant career for years and years and years.
But I like Neil's suggestion that given a binary choice between absolute free speech that would, of course, include some incendiary language and certainly insults or increasingly prescriptive measures, which seems to be what's being proposed and almost like we're being lubricated for that, the normalization of absolute censorship, of absolute control.
You know, don't you sort of sense, Lara, that in sort of since COVID, people have been and kind of in a sense the failure of many of what appeared to be attempted subversive coups during COVID.
Like we're going to lock you in your home.
We're going to normalize medications.
We're going to normalize the censorship of criticism of these medicines, medicines, vaccines, experimental treatments, whatever you want to call them.
Do you think, largely speaking, that failed?
Now we have, we're coming to you now from Mar-a-Lago, where you get the strong sense that America, in so many ways, and we'll be covering some of this later, has broken away from that kind of bureaucratic totalitarianism that had...
Trump not won the last election would have reached surely some kind of dreadful apex.
And we're seeing that play out in a variety of stories, all of which we're going to discuss today in different ways, i.e.
the UK are sending, want to send troops to support Ukraine when Trump is looking for a different solution.
And indeed, when it comes to matters like censorship, where USAID is now being curtailed, controlled, cut down, slash shut down elsewhere, in particular in Europe and in the UK, people are still trying.
We want to legitimize and bolster those kind of controls.
Would you accept Neil's binary choice?
And do you think that, as Neil says, this is a floundering and desperate last-minute attempt to control something that's left alone would sort of die?
Their form of imperialism is kind of dying out.
Well, when I listen to you, I feel like we're right at the dark heart of human existence, that this is not a frivolous conversation.
This is not just something that's nice for the moment.
I should probably drink this drink then.
I mean, if we're at the dark heart of existence and I'm drinking orange juice for a straw, it's just...
It says a lot.
It's not that...
It's like I'm relaxed about the dark heart.
Of this existential crisis.
I'm sipping an orange juice.
But like, yeah, you think that we're dealing, we're out the kind of...
It's literally, but think about that.
Because you're talking about a world where what we're heading towards, it begins with speech, but we're heading to a world where every single thing we do is controlled.
So whether it's the chip that they put under your skin, you know, or whether it's what they're allowing you, the geofence they put around you.
I mean, they're literally talking about, we're heading into a world where it begins with giving up.
Your privacy.
It begins with then giving up your freedom of speech, which becomes with freedom of expression and all of your other freedoms.
And where does it go?
I mean, once you, you know, once you put a chip in your brain to Neuralink, to link you to the world's computer without having a phone or anything else, right?
Where do you begin and where does all that...
Begin and end.
It becomes seamless.
And what does it represent?
Absolute control.
So what you're talking about, yes, of course, when you're presented with those two extremes, I'm somebody who grew up in apartheid South Africa.
And I was a devoted follower of the movement for equality and justice and human rights for all, Nelson Mandela.
I mean, we believed in very noble things.
And so how in the world, how in the world could...
Could I be in favor of tyranny?
I couldn't be in favor of tyranny of any kind.
I mean, people in my country were executed for the color of their skin.
So, I mean, that seared my soul growing up.
I couldn't bear it.
And so now you want to talk about, well, we live in a world where you're not allowed to say anything offensive.
Well, nonsense.
I mean, I've had plenty of offensive things said to me throughout my life, and I learned basic life skills to help me cope with that.
Oh, there's a thought.
You know, if you want to read about some of them, try reading a Dr. Seuss book.
There's a reason they banned that man.
And it had nothing to do with Green Eggs and Ham.
It was because he was the counter-propagandist in the Second World War, writing against Nazi propaganda.
And as it turns out, what else was he writing about?
Well, all the places you will go is about life skills.
It's about failing and being alone and getting back up on your feet and coping.
And all this nonsense about hate speech and, well, you can't hear that.
You think that there's no...
Black person who's ever been subjected to racism, who's told someone to get knotted and kept on trucking and made a success of their life, of course they have.
There's plenty of them.
It's just like me being told to medicate my son because he's dyslexic and he supposedly has ADHD. Don't let him learn how to cope.
Don't let him learn how to be powerful within himself.
Create these little robotic humans that are just going to do what they're told.
Don't they love it when they give all your kids, you know, Ritalin and Adderall and they're all good little soldiers at school and nobody wants to be...
Go outside at the wrong moment and no one wants to speak out of turn.
That's what it's all.
I mean, all of this ties, it's all connected.
And so when you lose, if you lose this battle, this is what I mean about the weight.
It's really the weight of this conversation.
Because if you lose this front, they're all going.
One by one by one, they're all going.
I mean, even the Fourth Amendment in the United States, which was really based around the fact that the British would come to your home and they would quarter their soldiers in your home, right?
And so the Fourth Amendment, which is your right to privacy, is really about the fact that where did they organize against the British, against authoritarianism inside their homes and in their churches?
That's where they did it.
And so that privacy is about, it's about the space in your head and in your life and in everything.
It's at the heart of human existence.
It really is.
If you lose this battle...
You're going to lose.
There's a much greater chance you're going to lose all of the others.
And the irony, now you start to understand how Nazism did take root in Germany.
Because now you've got the bloody Germans talking about censorship all over again.
But it's like we talked about before.
Take a closer look.
Who are the real Nazis?
This kind of godless encroachment on the intimacy even of thought is terrifying.
And I suppose, as Lara indicated, Neil, becomes increasingly plausible with the type of technological advances that are discussed on a daily basis.
But now we have totalitarianism Potentially to a degree where it's not just your home that can be invaded or your free speech that can be controlled or limited but thought itself and it does seem that that you know You offered us a kind of binary choice earlier between absolute free speech and prescriptive speech and Now it seems to me that there's another binary choice and The growing...
Somewhat nationalistic, indeed, nativist, America first, France first, Germany first, UK first type of populism that's plainly on the rise, that's often decried, criticised, accused of being racist and a bunch of other slurs.
But...
The reason, if you ask me, that these movements have become popular and even necessary is because globalism and the kind of totalitarianism that Lara's describing was being augured, not openly and honestly, but through sort of kind of very insidious forms of bureaucracy, always masked in care.
Do you see that connection, Neil?
I'd have to say that as time goes on, I'm actually...
I'm much less worried about any of this.
It's the way that I would short-circuit through to what I really think.
Three, four years ago now, I got into a situation where I was being asked my opinion.
And without thinking it through, I just gave my opinion.
I was a regular guest on a top radio show in the UK, and I used to honestly answer the question.
And I ended up stumbling into a place of being controversial.
And I hadn't thought about it.
It wasn't premeditated.
It just turned out that the things that I was thinking and my honest answers to questions were, well, they made me be perceived as some sort of conspiracy theorist contrarian.
And at first it was shocking when I realised that that was how it was being perceived, and I was being cancelled, and there were attempts made to shut me down, and I lost all sorts of positions and work and all of the rest of it.
But by now, I absolutely do not care, and I am not afraid of any of it.
And I think that more and more people are feeling and responding in the same way.
And this whole nonsense...
Of censorship in this way, in this living in fear, falls away.
You shrug it off like dead skin.
It's absolutely nothing.
It's absolutely nothing.
And I keep on finding myself, well, recently, you know, people come at me on social media, and I've started noticing if they use their names or not, or if it's just some made-up thing.
And if it's just some made-up thing, You know, dusty cowboy one, two, three.
I just think if you're so paranoid that you won't even address, you won't come after me as you, then I'm not going to bother about that at all.
And the solution to all of this is if everybody just as themselves, without running things through...
The filter of will this get me into trouble?
Will I lose my job?
Will I lose my position in society?
Will I lose my professorship?
If people just take a breath and speak the truth, that's it.
This whole farce of censorship just falls away like the dried out sandcastle on the beach as the tide is coming in.
That's all it is.
And so, you know, I don't even...
And I think the Frankenstein's monsters, the artifice, the nonsense of censorship and all of the rest of it is falling apart.
Now, that's not to say that there aren't other parts of this edifice of opposition that we face that aren't more intractable and harder to deal with.
But this whole censorship thing, this whole editing yourself, self-censorship, just shrug it off and tell the truth.
And it's gone.
That was DustyCowboy123, a.k.a.
Neil Oliver, giving you the benefit of his incredible insights there.
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Lara and Neil, you've got to start taking responsibility for promoting this show because it's actually very good.
A lot of the things Neil says, for example, are...
Brilliant, aren't they?
Over the course of the next hour, we're going to be discussing UK troops being sent to Ukraine and the Starmer-Macron pact that attempts to set up France and the UK as some kind of viable alternative to US support of Ukraine in the ongoing Ukraine-Russia conflict.
Let me know in the comments and chat what you think about that.
Here we've been talking about censorship and Neil has made a...
Bold stand, but as acknowledged, Lara, that within this boldness, there still are other edifices, if that's the correct word, of power that are somewhat more intractable.
Let's have a look at this story that the UK and France are considering sending troops to support Ukraine, just as Trump is talking about bringing about peace, and Russia and the United States are meeting, indeed, to have peace talks, which I kind of consider to be sort of an end of the bullshit, shit pretending it's not a proxy war and that this war could continue without u.s support let's have a quick look at um a british news media organization's coverage of this story for three years
the war in ukraine has pitched russia against the west Now, for the first time, the British Prime Minister has explicitly said that he's prepared to deploy British peacekeepers in Ukraine.
And he's expected to put pressure on European leaders to do the same at today's emergency summit in Paris.
The Prime Minister said the UK has already committed £3 billion a year until at least 2030. But it also means being ready and willing to contribute to security guarantees in Ukraine by putting our own troops on the ground if necessary.
I do not say that lightly.
I feel very deeply the responsibility that comes with potentially putting British servicemen and women in harm's way.
Well, that's nice of you.
As the great Tony Benn once said, if there's money available to kill people, then there's money available to save lives.
Lara, what do you think about this emerging distance between the United States and European powers, or former powers, one might say, when it comes to this conflict?
And what do you think about this pledge by Keir Starmer to give billions of dollars of British, billions of pounds, excuse me, of British taxpayers' money to a conflict that most people would consider to be unwinnable in the broadest sense?
Well, it's very interesting because it's exposed something quite extraordinary, which is that why is Europe, why is the UK and France, why are they so committed to prolonging this war?
I mean, with all the money that has gone there to date, with all the support from Europe and the US, the Ukrainians still haven't been able to prevail.
So it's reasonable to look at this situation and say that's going to continue.
I mean, Russia has its allies, Ukraine has its allies.
So this kind of stalemate, I mean, I've seen some of the images.
I'm well known as a war correspondent, but I've never wanted to go to the war in Ukraine because it was just so obvious that they were pulling the strings and there was so much fake news coming out.
And when you've got the Ukrainian government going and taking people at gunpoint and beating them and dragging them to the front lines without any training to just go and be cannon fodder, this is unconscionable.
What is it that you're really trying to achieve here?
Why is it that the east of Ukraine, where people are Russian speakers, By nature, who have already in Crimea voted to want to be part of Russia, why is it so important to stand as a bulwark?
To Putin.
And I, you know, I'm not painting Putin as a good guy.
But I do think that when you look at the cost of this war, the human cost of this war has been catastrophic.
And I watched some video once of Ukrainian soldiers.
They were Ukrainian.
And they were in a minefield.
And I mean, these soldiers have been hit.
Their tank had been hit.
You know, and they were crawling.
Those who were still alive were crawling out.
And they were crawling through this minefield.
And they were being blown up one after another.
And they're writhing.
I mean, it was...
It was awful.
And you think about it, we're not watching, you know, the war from Ukraine, the reality of it on our TV screens every day.
It's largely disappeared.
Because what's the point?
There's literally no point.
And so to me, it's just what's interesting is that Trump has come in and said, you know, I'm a peacemaker and I'm going to make peace between Russia and Ukraine.
Zelensky, who, as far as I'm concerned, should put back his high heels and his leathers and go make a few more music videos because he'd be more successful at doing that than he is actually running a country.
And he's refusing to sit down.
But this idiot, this idiot who was plucked.
It was literally plucked from an entertainment show and an acting career and put in that position.
Who are the people behind him?
Because that's what's really driving this war.
And the United States and Donald Trump can pull out officially and try to broker peace.
But what you're looking at is a globalist move to remain entrenched in that war.
So what is it that they're actually hiding?
It does seem like an extraordinary revelation, doesn't it?
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Neil, I wonder how you felt when you saw Keir Starmer making that pledge to not only provide further financial aid, but also potentially to provide troops.
I think he literally used the phrase on the ground.
And what do you think about what Lara said there?
There's an indication that there really is a global agenda that's separate from this kind of diversifying path offered by the populist nativism of Trump and the MAGA movement.
It is a real sort of...
This has been an ongoing, entrenched and sort of peculiar conflict, but this does seem like a...
A pivotal moment, would you agree, mate?
On the face of it, I find these comments obscene.
That after three years and a million dead and hundreds of billions of pounds and dollars and euros squandered or laundered through Ukraine, a time when...
Putin and Trump are talking about a peace deal that sounds like it will be more or less what was proposed three years ago before a million people were dead.
The hubris, the callousness, the cruelty, the greed, the stupidity that has been evidenced by...
The behaviours that have unfolded over the last three years, that Starmer in that context would talk about putting, I don't know, it would have to be 30,000, meaningfully it would have to be 30,000 servicemen and women on the ground to take part in some kind of peacekeeping force that would annoy Russia, by definition, if British troops are on the ground in Ukraine serving that role.
Which means that he would be notionally exposing them to the possibility of being ground up in that charnel house that has already claimed a million dead.
That he's sabre-rattling and talking about defending a front line against Russian aggression, which is to say, to perpetuate the lying myth that...
This was an unprovoked response by Russia three years ago.
When history makes plain that at least since 2014 and the Maidan coup and the ethnic cleansing that then started against ethnically Russian people in the east of Ukraine.
And if it didn't begin in 2014, then it began in the 50s or it began in the 90s.
You know, when Jim Baker made his promises about not an inch into the east would NATO expand, you know, as long as Gorbachev would accept the unification of Germany.
And Gorbachev did accept the unification of Germany on those terms.
And now NATO is a thousand miles closer to Russia.
The whole thing, the whole thing is the consequence of lies and...
Dishonesty and a lack of honour and not being trustworthy and all of the rest of it.
And in that context, for Starmer to talk about adding more troops as though he's taking part in this mythical defence of democracy, which it never was, I find his willingness to stand up and say that absolutely sickening, absolutely obscene.
However, it's palpable nonsense anyway.
There's no way, realistically, that it's going to happen.
The British Army is...
Lord Danith, the former head of the British Army, has already said more than once that the British Army is in no condition to do anything like what Keir Starmer is proposing that it do.
In thought and in philosophy, I find it obscene and sickening and disrespectful.
You know, to put British servicemen into a situation where they would effectively, de facto, be standing alongside Nazis, the Azov battalion.
Not neo-Nazis, actual Nazis.
You know, when the whole mythology, the supporting myth of being British, if you buy into it.
Is largely founded upon what happened in the Second World War and fighting against Nazis.
So it's an appalling sentiment that he expresses.
The audacity, the temerity of that empty sock puppet of a human being, I find beneath contempt.
But it's never going to happen.
It's never going to happen.
Neil, that was such an extraordinary answer that I feel like people should...
Just watch that and memorise it.
And that's the perfect response and position to take on that conflict.
He's drinking.
It's late at night.
He's drunk.
Neil's drunkenly.
He happens to be drunk and correct in this instance, but he's nevertheless drunk.
It's actually a little bottle of Malbec from Lidl.
The glamour, the incredible glamour there.
The middle aisle at Lidl.
Incredible stuff there, Neil.
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One of the first meetings I want to have is with President Xi of China, President Putin of Russia.
And I want to say, let's cut our military budget in half.
And we can do that.
We're at Mar-a-Lago now, Lara Logan, going to the bar in a minute.
While Neil sups on booze from Lidl, we drink cocktails with the high and mighty here by the sea.
And indeed, the lakes.
I'm still sipping my mimosa.
I can talk about world peace and sip a mimosa.
I can't drink alcohol.
I'm a terrible alcoholic.
I would die.
I'd simply die.
So, Laura, what do you think about that?
Is it possible that a new type of geopolitics could be mastered by the art of the deal author himself?
Can global politics be a reflection of his audacity in other areas of political life?
Or is it grandstanding?
And why don't the progressive media cover this kind of stuff properly when it makes these sort of wild and wonderful claims?
Because they hate it.
They hate anything.
That makes Donald Trump interesting or validates him in any way or whatever.
They can't bear it.
They're looking only to tear him down.
And so if it doesn't do that, until they get the opportunity to do that, and they'll take this and use this.
They'll say, look, we were right all along.
He's cozying up to Putin.
See, Russia collusion was real, even though it wasn't.
But what I find interesting about this is...
We touched on this before.
I just think that we've had more of the same.
Every time somebody new gets elected, it's the same old, same old, same old.
All the institutions are preserved.
You can't touch the institutions.
Oh, that's the way it's always been done.
Not allowed to do it any different.
And I have no idea.
Because I can't stand it when people go on shows and they talk as if they know what's in Donald Trump's mind.
We don't have any idea.
We have no clue what he's really doing.
But I just find it refreshing to see that he's changing the game.
Now, some of that is...
We're not all going to agree with all of it.
It's not all going to work.
It's not all for good.
But, you know, if you are a real disruptor, there's, I mean, you're a disruptor.
Look what you've done.
You know, Neil, you're a disruptor.
You didn't mean to be.
Neither did I. I just told the truth.
I did the same thing I'd always done.
I thought they meant it when they said, your job is to speak truth to power.
So I did.
When it was the power they didn't like.
That was great.
Front page of the New York Times and Washington Post and Vogue magazine, Glamour, Woman of the Year, all that stuff.
But when it wasn't, oh, no, no, no, no, no, wait, wait.
You know, that's not how this is supposed to work.
So I just, you know, in terms of this, what's the concept behind it?
So the concept is that...
You can fundamentally and profoundly shift the weight and emphasis of governments in defense spending by creating a safer world and removing things where your adversaries.
Now, do I really believe that they can just, Donald Trump can just do that with a stroke of a pen?
No, of course he can't.
And I've spent time in China where, you know, they're very entrenched in their thousand years.
A vision, you know, of ruling over the United States.
I mean, it really bothers the Chinese because they consider, you know, many Chinese, especially the political sort of elite.
They consider Americans inferior in every way.
It confounds them.
They think that their approach to life and to philosophy and all of that is really profoundly superior to anything American.
So you've got these monstrous upstarts who live in the moment and they're brash and they don't get anything and they don't play the long game and they have no patience and they mess up everywhere, but they just can't understand why they're still around.
You know, I mean, it really bothers the ruling party.
Of the Communist Party.
And they put a lot of effort into dismantling that.
In fact, it's in their psyche.
When you talk to them, it very much dominates their psyche.
And what I find so interesting about that is, why is that?
Why is this upstart of America that lacks the grace of the patience of the Chinese and their long-term thinking?
Why is it that the U.S. still prevails?
I think it comes back to the fact that...
You know, people, when you create, I mean, the Chinese have, let's face it, they've become very famous for stealing.
I mean, whether it's bags.
Fake bags and fake designer goods, or whether it's stealth technology, they're very, very good at stealing.
Why do they have to infiltrate your universities?
Well, to steal them.
Why do they have to put a person from the CCP inside your business?
Well, to steal your trade secrets.
How did they manage to put fentanyl on the streets of America?
Well, they stole that recipe from American pharmaceutical companies.
And I don't mean to sound pompous and arrogant.
I'm going to set Neil off like a rocket here.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here.
If you look at it, I think...
Societies that truly create live by their creator.
And in communist China, they don't believe in God.
He's not allowed, is he?
They put Christians in prison, in re-education camps.
And you know what they do to the women?
They put them in a cell of male prisoners, and they make them gang-rape them into submission.
That's what they do to Christians.
So for me, I know, sorry, but as you stray...
From creation and the ability that God gave us to create as part of His creation, I think you stray into that territory.
And people don't want to accept that there's a different way of doing things because it's, you know, even when I was in Saddam Hussein's Iraq, you know, people would say to me, we used to have one Saddam, now we have a thousand.
Some people get comfort out of knowing where the lines are drawn.
And so they don't want you to upend the whole system.
But if you're a disruptor, you really have to know at your core who you are, right?
Because then you can withstand the shocks.
And so that's what I think this is.
That's what ultimately what's behind.
I don't know the details of what Donald Trump is proposing.
I can't speak with authority or knowledge on that.
But I think what is encouraging for those of us who don't want more of the same.
We don't want to be lied to.
We don't want to be enslaved.
We don't want to be robbed.
We don't want to work.
Blood, sweat and tears to finance trance operas in countries where they don't really give a shit about anything trance.
I don't want to do that anymore.
I don't want people condescending from Washington.
I don't want to pay the university fees of people who are going to get into office and look down on other people.
I don't want people preaching about hate speech.
Perfectly hateful to millions of people because they don't meet some sort of standard that you've created for what is human decency.
We know in our core what it is.
I really think it comes back to that.
An incredibly wide-ranging answer from Lara Logan, Neil, covering Chinese imperialism, the consequences of the incursion into Iraq.
Sometimes, when I consider Donald Trump and this notion of the disruptor that Lara Logan has raised, and it's very easy for me to say this, in earshot of Donald Trump here at Mar-a-Lago, and when I say earshot, I mean in range that he could hear me, not shoot him in the ear, because that is the kind of thing that actually happens in this crazy...
That Trump is like this mystic yogic avatar of no bullshit.
Say, for example, with his new position on Ukraine, saying, well, they're going to have to back us up with minerals and stuff, and we're going to somewhat vassalise them, which is what kind of NATO we're doing and what Putin is being accused of doing, that you kind of get a type of clarity from Trump that sort of seems like it...
It's like you've had the bends or something, like popping your ears.
Like, oh yeah, surely what you need is someone to say, like, you know, we're going to all cut our military expenditure by 50%.
Let's face it, but what geopolitics is undergirded by are free superpowers, Russia.
The United States and China, if we come to some kind of consensus, even if it's temporary appeasement of one another, the internal economies of them nations is going to change.
Like, do you see him in those kind of terms?
And when he says stuff like this, it's like outlandish.
Or remember when a few weeks ago on our show, we were talking about, like, you know, I'm going to turn Gaza into a Riviera.
When he says these things, I notice that second, like, you know, subsequent to that, like Egypt, sort of...
Jordan.
Jordan.
Like, yeah, people started...
And they said, okay, wait!
Don't do that.
We'll help.
So, you know, he's kind of bizarrely, not bizarrely, you know, it's effective.
It's an effective way of conducting discourse.
And like you, like me, Neil, and probably Lara as well, we're not people that were like, I wasn't predisposed to Trump.
I remember 2015, the escalator, Mexicans are rapists, all that stuff.
I was like, what?
We kind of, well, this doesn't make sense.
But actually, it was just...
Oh, this is a new way of doing politics.
So what do you think?
Do you think that this can map onto geopolitical issues with this emboldened 2025 version of Trump, mate?
I think when Lara said she doesn't want to be lied to and she doesn't want to be enslaved, you know, those are basics to which I absolutely subscribe.
I don't want any of that either.
And so within...
Everything that everyone's talking about, or if they're not talking about it, they're not saying it's not going to happen.
And Trump is one of those, and Xi is one of those, and Putin is one of those.
All of that infrastructure is out there for surveillance, for our surveillance, for the digital cage.
All of that loss of freedom is potentially there.
The central bank digital currencies.
All of it.
And all of it, I just want to hold at arm's length, if not put it out of my sight.
So that caveat applies to all of these characters, these billionaire, oligarchic, powerful men in this instance.
But if Trump is also at the same time going to talk just about the idea of peace.
If he genuinely would prefer a world at peace, then I'm on board with anybody who would broadly choose for a world at peace.
And if that would be made manifest in America and Russia and China...
You know, pulling their horns in.
I mean, it has to be said, where America is everywhere with its hundreds of military bases all around the world, it's been, you know, it's been imperialist and expansionist and interfering and a coup here and a regime change there and a colour revolution provoked here, there and everywhere and the amount of damage that's been done.
You can't really accuse Russia and China of doing anything like it.
China just is.
China is just China.
I'm not sure about that, Neil.
What about the Belt Road Initiative?
China's been gobbling up airports and TV stations and train stations and harbours all over the world.
I mean, if you think about that, I agree with you, America's guilty, but China's just as guilty.
But China has at least done it in a different way.
They just buy their way in.
They just offer sweeties and...
And build shitty roads that get people killed.
But if they would all just back, if all of them would just back off, if they would just, if the three of them would just back off from one another and just do it, you know, it's a subprime, suboptimal option.
But given what we've been threatened with, what we undoubtedly are threatened with.
If somebody with something approaching a position to make things happen was able to create an atmosphere of relative peace as opposed to total war and Armageddon, then I'll go with the guy that's talking about peace.
And if Donald Trump is somewhere in his DNA motivated just by the desire to do business and strike deals and all of the rest of it, well, I would tend to find that the least worst option.
Rather than some latter-day warlord that wants to dominate the entire planet.
If he's the least worst option, well, for want of anything, better.
I'll go with that in the short term.
Caveated at all times by the thought that I know that looming out there is the determination by the undefeated globalists at the moment and the oligarchic types to put...
The proles like me in a cage.
I know that's what they're all working towards.
At different speeds, using different gears and all of the rest of it.
I know that's the intended destination.
But if Trump wants to talk for a little while about a world at peace, well, I'll go with that.
That least worst option mentality is kind of what the liberal establishment relied on for years.
When I think about friends in professional classes and the world of media, they would always say, well, yeah, no, Biden's not perfect.
The Democrat Party's not perfect.
Keir Starmer's not perfect.
They're not perfect, these people, but they're so much better than these nativist, populist, nationalist, racist, rapist, lunatics.
That is how the discourse was conducted for a very, very long time.
That was what was...
To get people out, you've got to get out and vote for some sort of dullard bureaucrat.
That's how it was in the UK. You think these people aren't inspired yet, but it's the only way we can stop these racist nationalists.
You know, that's the kind of language they use for a long while.
Even if you, like, were to...
Offer the most harsh critiques of Donald Trump.
In a sense, he's been brought about entirely by that sort of lack of horizon.
And here's kind of big and pivotal ideas being discussed and exchanged.
You know, if we're going to continue to support Ukraine, it's going to be on this basis.
We're going to cut military expenditure.
I mean, at least there's a kind of an audacity and boldness to it.
Is it more than least worst option?
Is it something that could genuinely be to the benefit of a planet when it comes to this sort of superpower standoff?
I think when you understand the depth of the military-industrial complex in the United States, then you understand it's much more than just something frivolous he's throwing out there to be disruptive, because that is absolutely critical.
Oh, I lost this.
It's absolutely critical to the deep state in the United States.
This is what Eisenhower warned against all the way back in the 50s.
And so when Donald Trump says that internationally, the one thing that I think is helpful to remember is that he's speaking to the military industrial complex in the United States.
He's putting them on notice.
I'm draining your bank accounts.
And this gravy train that you've been on for far too long, this isn't going to continue.
There are a lot of people who think that Pat...
General Patton was murdered by the military-industrial complex at the end of the Second World War when he died in that car accident, you know, because Patton was a hero.
And he was not part of that.
And if you start to look at, you know, Lloyd Austin, Secretary of Defense, where did he come from?
You know, this great military-industrial complex.
And it's a revolving door throughout the government, and not just in the secretary positions, but all throughout these agencies.
So when Donald Trump talks about draining the swamp and going after the deep state, When he makes a statement like that about cutting defense spending in half, you were talking about trillions of dollars.
Okay, that is a big, big deal.
He is threatening these people in every direction, and I think that's fascinating.
Yeah.
Yes, Neil.
We've lost your audio there, Neil.
That's interesting.
Jaded.
A bit liverish about the things that seem to be happening.
It's because unless and until Trump or someone else confronts the real problem, which is the money, the debt, everything else is just theatre.
You know, it was so blatantly obvious, you know, or it's obvious to me now that there was a perception amongst the globalists or whatever that they were on the brink of something disastrous.
And to buy themselves time, they launched the thing they called COVID. They pulled the hoax that was the pandemic that bought them the breathing space.
And they brought in all the restrictions on our freedoms and the lockdowns and all of the rest of it.
And to buy more time when that started to run out of steam, we went war in Ukraine.
Suddenly there was war in Ukraine.
And everything has followed in train.
It's all been about distraction all the way up to the Middle East.
Everything that's happening is a distraction from the main event, which is that the world is bankrupt.
And the people with the most to lose are the globalists and the bankers or the cabal or however you want to perceive of them.
And they have to buy time to reset the system.
They have to run down the broken system and bring the new system into place and get it up and running.
They're obviously not quite ready to do it yet.
You know, America's sitting on 30, 40 trillion dollars of national debt, and that's before you get to the 200 trillion dollars of derivatives and all of the rest of it.
It's like I saw the Damocles over everything.
That's all hanging there.
And everything else that's distracting people and making people angry and getting people frothing at the gills and all of the rest of it, unless and until somebody takes on the fact that we are bankrupt.
And the fiat currencies are about to collapse.
Goodness only knows what the truth is of the Bank of England and maybe Fort Knox not having any gold.
Goodness only knows what's happening there.
But it's not the kind of salacious, exciting, sexy stuff that properly attracts people's attention because it's economics, it's arithmetic, it's numbers.
People glaze over a bit about that.
Especially when there's a genocide here and a war there and a plague there.
It's not as interesting.
And we've just been being distracted for the last five years.
And Trump, heaven help him, because he's the guy.
The music has stopped in the musical chairs game, and he's holding the parcel.
And he's got to unwrap it in silence.
He's got bankruptcy inside it.
And I want to know how he's going to deal with that, because that is the elephant in the room, and that is the thing.
That's going to have to be confronted.
He's going to shut down the Federal Reserve and he's going to bring back a gold-backed currency, perhaps.
Well, he's actually in the environment of Mar-a-Lago right now.
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Indeed, I think the title Oracle seems particularly apposite this week because there have been such incredible insights offered.
I hope you've been enjoying this.
Some of Neil's incredible speculation from the foot of the castle.
Lara Logan's brilliant appraisal of Chinese imperialism.
I feel like I could burst with knowledge after all of it.
And it's not just these delicious mimosas.
Thank you, Neil.
Orange juice.
Thank you, Neil Oliver, for joining us from Sterling.
Thank you, Laura.
It's so lovely to be with you in person.
What an absolute joy.
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I'll see you next Monday for a conversation with Nicole.
Shanahan?
Yeah, with Nicole Shanahan on Monday.
Nicole Shanahan was the running mate of Bobby Kennedy, and she's got some extraordinary insights into the pharmaceutical industry, health more generally, and the collapse of the Democratic Party.
So we'll be doing that next Monday.
Lara, thank you so much.
Thank you, Russell.
Neil, thank you.
Now get yourself a little and get yourself a good drink.
Hail to thee, blind spirits.
Lots of love.
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