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Feb. 5, 2025 - Stay Free - Russel Brand
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Gaza Takeover? Trump’s Bold Plan Sparks Global Outrage – SF532
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Thank you so much for joining us today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
At the moment we're streaming, of course, on X and YouTube and Rumble.
We're going to be talking about Trump's extraordinary gambit, the occupation, colonization, development, what phrase would you prefer, of Gaza.
Thankfully now we have a complex moral ethical issue that we can use to understand.
Trump's trajectory and agenda in the Middle East and more broadly.
We'll be talking about that to our friends on Locals like Lily Farmgo and Beth in Wonderland, to our beloved friends on the Rumble Chat like Malcolm Sweet, autistic vaxtard and literally Hitler.
We're going to be bringing beautiful nuanced conversation on a difficult subject to you.
We're also going to be talking about...
Bill Gates.
What has Bill Gates got to go on the television for?
Why do you need that from Bill Gates?
Why is Bill Gates on Jimmy?
Kimmel, or whatever he was on.
We're going to be talking about that.
Let me know in the comments and chat what you'd prefer me to cover when it comes to Keir Starmer, two-tier Keir, Armageddon Keir Starmer, Elizabeth Warren and RFK. There's some stuff on NATO that I want to talk to you about.
And if you're a member of our Rumble Premium community, remember for just $9.99 a month you can get Rumble ad-free and additional content like early access, forgive the phrase, to my conversation.
With Lily Phillips, which sort of became a brilliant discussion, I suppose, around sexual ethics, consent, the sacredness of sex, honour, dignity, duty.
I mean, there's quite a lot in there, so you can see that.
That show will be on Monday.
It was a brilliant little conversation, I think.
It certainly made me feel a lot of stuff.
Nothing will take you there like discussions around sex.
Wesley Huff is going to be on Break Bread soon.
Break bread is my Christian conversation that I have every week with Lily Phillips.
It was a straight up interview, really talking about sex.
What's going on with Justin Bieber, by the way?
What's Justin Bieber doing?
Remember, I'll be at Mar-a-Lago myself on February the 18th with Mike Tyson.
Yeah, that's right.
I'm not even going to provide context for that.
Should we post a link to that?
You can come and see me there, I think.
Anyway, let's have a look at Break Bread with Russell Brand.
That's my conversation with Wes Huff, superstar.
Apologist, did you ever think those two words would go together?
Whose appearance on Joe Rogan appears to have shifted the conversation around conversation.
We'll be getting into Trump and Gaza in a minute.
Let me know in the comments and chat what you think about it, JJ, and what you think about it, Thomas Beard, and all of you joining us on X now, because really, this is a pivotal moment, isn't it?
Here's a little piece of my conversation with Wes Hunt.
Now, what happens when you remove a fish from the water?
It dies, right?
What happens when you remove a tree from the earth?
It dies.
And what we see is that this part of creation, humanity, who bears God's image, who chose cosmic rebellion by eating the tree of knowledge of good and evil, the only thing God told them not to do, it creates a rift between the creator and the creation.
And just as when you remove a fish from the sea or a tree from the earth, when you remove humanity from God, we die.
Yeah, you belong to God.
Important for us all to remember that.
Second chance on the Rumble thing.
Do your shirt up, Elvis.
No, button your shirt, Elvis.
Alright, alright.
Too much?
A little too much?
I've just been talking to Lily Phillips.
I don't know where my barometer currently is with such matters.
Alright, Tim, what's going on with Justin Bieber?
Tim, what's going on with Justin Bieber?
Maybe we should send him a post, ask him to come on.
It would be lovely to talk to him.
David Icke.
We're going to be even presenting David Icke's perspective on...
Before we get into that, look, it's going to be heavy today.
I can tell you that because the subjects are heavy.
But we're going to try and handle it with light and dexterity and love.
So let's try and enjoy ourselves before we get into all that.
Looking at Chuck Schumer trying to start a chant.
If ever you feel down in life, if ever you feel blue, here's a way to find some cheer, this is what you do.
Find a Democrat and try to start a chant.
They always look like total...
And we cannot, we cannot allow Elon Musk and a small group of people to secretly, behind closed doors, take away our privacy, take away our dollars.
Take away everything we have.
We are going to fight this fight.
I am going to stand with you in this fight.
And we will win.
We will win.
We won't rest.
We won't rest.
Now, I'm going to break that down.
The lady to Chuck Schumer's right started it, the African-American lady.
She bears the responsibility for starting a bad and silly chant.
We will win!
We will win!
Chuck Schumer, though, he's an adult.
He could have at any time said, I'm not going to do this chant.
This chant's ridiculous.
In fact, that is what he thought, but he changed it sadly to, We won't rest!
Which is probably the only chant he could have come up with that's less catchy and more boring.
Dear old Chuck Schumer there, don't start chance that you can't...
Remember, of course, while the Democrats still attempt to recover from the recent annihilation, 97% of contributions for USAID employees went to Dems.
Why, USAID, excuse me, I know that's what I'm to say, is regarded as a political issue rather than an issue defined by philanthropy or altruism, say.
One of the other stories before we get to Trump and Gaza and what that might be.
It's an online spat between AOC and Elon.
You know one of the peculiar phenomena of the modern time is that we're asked to offer moral assessments of billionaires, aren't we?
Like good billionaires, bad billionaires, billionaires that should have power, billionaires that shouldn't.
AOC wants to introduce into the mix Dumb billionaires.
Don't be daft, stupid billionaires.
She claims that Elon Musk is the dumbest billionaire she's ever met.
This dude is probably one of the most unintelligent billionaires I have ever met or seen or witnessed.
Which, you know, you can probably even glean that from watching these people on TV. Anyways, all of that is to say is that they don't do their homework.
Clearly...
Like, they're putting 19-year-olds in at the Treasury.
This dude is not smart.
And the danger in the lack of intelligence and the lack of expertise that Elon has.
I mean, this guy is one of the most morally vacant, but also just least knowledgeable about these systems that...
We really know of.
But the point is, is that what that means is that they're going to hit a button inevitably.
They're going to hit a button and things can go sideways.
You cannot indiscriminately hit buttons.
Well, yeah, someone says, isn't she a bartender?
One of the things I really like about AOC is that she comes from an ordinary blue-collar background and is now in Congress.
But what I didn't know, and what Mike Benzer has pointed out, is that AOC, promoting USAID all over X today, actually, she herself came from USAID program in...
College to jumpstart her miracle political career.
How extraordinary.
There's so often secondary narratives that we're not aware of that help us to appreciate people's biases.
It's interesting, isn't it?
What do you reckon, you lot?
Tell me in the comments.
I feel like...
This is not a time to reify, deify or get overexcited about any individuals.
Like maybe your preferred billionaire is Elon Musk.
Maybe your preferred billionaire is George Soros.
They're only people.
They're only human beings.
They're flawed.
And while they may be in a position of extraordinary influence currently, they're ultimately, like all of us, dust on the wind of history unless they awaken the sacred within themselves through surrender to Jesus Christ.
It's what I would offer you up.
That's what I'd offer you up.
But Elon Musk is handling the conversation pretty well himself.
Here's Jamie Raskin blasting Elon, declaring that the Democrats will block the DOG from eliminating government waste and fraud.
Do we care about that?
Maybe not so much.
Let's have a look at...
Do you know who also received USAID money?
The Clinton Foundation!
They raked in millions.
USAID managed $4.4 billion for Haiti under Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
The Clinton Foundation was a significant player in those Haiti efforts.
Where did the money go?
I remember being in a phone bank at a telephone to raise money for Haiti with George Clooney, Leonardo DiCaprio.
It was ridiculous.
There were so many famous people concentrated in one space that it made famousness itself seem pointless and ridiculous.
Which it is, by the way.
What I didn't know at that time is that often these telephones and drives and philanthropic endeavours are themselves peculiar money laundering Someone, won't someone please get George Clooney?
I remember feeling that Haiti was a real example of people coming together to do what was right.
You look into Haiti's economic situation and political situation and see the impact of the Clinton Foundation and George Soros.
It's just one other...
Demonstration of people pretending to help while actually seizing control and power in a variety of ways.
So choose your billionaires, Bill Clinton, Elon Musk.
Ultimately, if we don't decentralize power and grant authority only to he that can handle it, we're going to be in pretty serious trouble.
But that's just what I think.
Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
Right, what do you want to see us talk about?
Do you want to talk about USAID a little bit?
We've talked about that enough.
Maybe we have to accept that...
We've got to talk about this difficult subject.
Loads of you, obviously, voted for Donald Trump.
He's the world's most divisive and talked-about figure, with some people seeing him as a kind of, well, not even figurative, antichrist, and others seeing him as close as you're going to get to an anointed saviour.
He carries a lot of energy.
Since his administration began, there have been a couple of points that I have noted as being remarkable.
Let me know in the comments and chat what you have observed.
One, I didn't like seeing your man there from Oracle talking about AI, mRNA vaccines.
That was a moment of concern to see from a White House podium.
And now, of course, the claim that Donald Trump will take over, using the indefatigable and considerable might of the American military, Gaza, and develop it into a kind of economic wonderland.
Are all wars ultimately motivated by economic interests?
Are all wars wrong?
What do we think about colonialism?
And when assessing colonialism and imperial agenda, what moral and ethical questions do we ask?
And what's the statute of limitations?
Because I'm an Englishman, we colonize the world, you Americans are still yet the greatest imperial power on earth.
What are we going to do morally and ethically when an announcement of this nature is made that seems so utterly transgressive and unthinkable?
Let's assess it together, doing our best to understand something that continues to baffle and confuse the finest of minds.
We'll have it resolved in ten minutes.
In a presidency made up of days full of so many headlines, on this day there was just one.
It came after the arrival of Israel's Prime Minister to a White House decked out.
And a West Wing greeting between two men whose personal relationship has been on, off and back on again.
They went inside for private talks and then came the news conference and this.
The US will take over the Gaza Strip and we will do a job with it too.
We'll own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site, level the site and get rid of the destroyed buildings, level it out, create an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of jobs and housing for the people of the area.
So what you want about Donald Trump is a pretty astonishing political figure.
To hear anyone talk about Gaza, a region so redolent.
With potent feeling, whether that's the strong feeling that a genocide has been practiced there since October the 7th, or the feeling that this has always been part of the Israeli and Jewish people's heritage.
To talk about it in terms of just a construction project.
It's almost remarkable in itself.
None of us anticipated it.
Let me know where you stand on this issue.
Is this an indication that Donald Trump is part of a set of global powers that are Absolutely seized control of the world, regardless of what shifts on the political surface.
Or is this somehow part of a mandate that we expected of Donald Trump?
Let me know if you, broadly speaking, support the rights of the Palestinian people, or if you're astonished that Israel has tolerated their belligerent neighbour for as long as they have.
Where do you land on this issue?
Wherever you stand, and...
This is what's so difficult, I think, for all of us to appreciate, is that there are brilliant people on both sides of the argument.
The same as when it comes to talking about God.
There are atheists that are extraordinarily capable and brilliant and who have considered the depths of epistemology and the breadth of ontology and have concluded there is no God.
And then there is the exact opposite.
Somehow or another, we're going to have to find a way of holding Israel-Palestine in our minds, acknowledging the scriptural heritage and claims that are made by the Jewish people, and the horror of any war, and in particular the duty of the powerful in situations of conflict.
Let's see if Trump's advancing this argument.
Let's see if Trump is a catalyst for significant change, and maybe yet something beautiful could be born of this abominable situation.
The reaction from the gathered audience reflected the enormity of what he'd just said.
One lady's actually yawning in the press conference.
Did you see that?
Well, we try to comprehend the enormity of what he said.
That's what I think was difficult with 24-hour media.
It's difficult to somehow comprehend and conceive of this being relevant and actual and happening in all of our lives simultaneously.
You run your hand down your X feed like you might be doing right now.
And pornography, people wandering the streets covered in sperm, someone's dog performing a trick, Kanye's naked girlfriend at the Grammys.
Someone getting their head cut off, children dying in a war, rubble, chaos.
This is not a way to receive and understand reality.
This perpetual present made technological rather than spiritual is unbearable for all of us.
And you can't ever detach this conflict from holiness and holy claims.
Do you approach it purely anthropologically and say wherever you have human beings you have tribal conflict?
Or do you approach it spiritually?
And look at the decrees where a tribe of people are told this is your life.
And the various claims that are made for that land, whatever this is, it's not a construction site.
And wherever this leads, it will be indicative of the future of our kind.
The US will take over the Gaza Strip and we will do a job with it too.
He had just announced the takeover of Gaza, owning it, occupying it.
It wasn't clear, and it certainly wasn't expected.
You are talking tonight about the United States taking over a sovereign territory.
What authority would allow you to do that?
Are you talking about a permanent occupation there?
Redevelopment?
I do see a long-term...
When that journalist asks what authority, what authority...
Could there be?
What authority could there be when it comes, in fact, to all government, but there's no issue quite like this one?
What authority could grant you the right to take over a land?
It's even going to be human authority backed by the threat of military violence, right?
That's one option, isn't it?
Or God?
There is no other kind of authority.
Is there bureaucratic authority?
Is there administrative, legalistic authority?
Where is that authority derived from?
Isn't that the fundamental problem that we're facing in the world now?
Is we all disagree about where moral authority comes from.
Does it come from power?
My authority comes from the ability to impose my will on you.
Is that what authority means?
Or is it a divine...
Right.
And if there is such a thing as the divine, isn't baked into that concept the idea of compassion, kindness, service, unity, glory, love, duty?
In a sense, if you believe in divinity, if you believe in God, isn't that commensurate with beliefs in love?
Let me know in the comments in the chat.
Long-term ownership position, and I see it bringing great stability to that part of the Middle East and maybe the entire Middle East.
And everybody I've spoken to, this was not a decision made lightly, everybody I've spoken to loves the idea of the United States owning that piece of land, developing and creating thousands of jobs with something that will be magnificent.
It's not clear who he had spoken to, but even sky sources close to the top of the Israeli government did not know about the idea.
And despite trails of other plans for Gaza, this one came from nowhere.
And I don't want to be cute, I don't want to be a wise guy, but the Riviera of the Middle East, this could be something that could be so magnificent.
Well, this is pretty staggering, I suppose, just in terms of linguistics, because to divorce Gaza from its history and rename it the Riviera of the Middle East is sort of beyond bold.
It's kind of almost heretical from every conceivable side of the argument.
It's really...
Well, look, this isn't normally a pivot that you would expect.
Maybe it is.
I don't know.
I find David Icke to be a fascinating character simply because he...
Many of his...
Diddy prognosis have proven to be true.
It was David Iacue years ago who said that there would be paedophile rings exposed in power and that there were occultist connotations.
You can't absolutely verify that down to the last grain, but we're a lot further down the road of believing that there are peculiar sex trafficking rings in places of power that have connections to governments, say, and certainly institutions within show business.
The Epstein and Diddy stories point to that, don't they, enormously, as well as the Jimmy Savile story in my country that suggests...
That there are sort of connections between power, occultism, sex.
These things have unfolded and evolved and developed in ways that are certainly more corroboratable than they were when David Icke was saying this.
Let's see what David Icke says on this issue.
Now, of course, many people claim that David Icke is an anti-Semite.
That's certainly not something that I've ever thought of David Icke.
Listen to this.
So predictable.
The plan all along.
Now, bear in mind that David Icke kind of lives with this frustration of like, I've been saying this for ages.
To breach the security fence on October 7th with no response.
Now, that's the idea that that was a false flag event.
Okay, that's a big claim.
Use this as an excuse to mass murder tens of thousands and to create Trump's building site.
Now, it's difficult to look at what's happened in Gaza since October 7th and not be...
Appalled by the degree of violence, even if you're sympathetic to Israel's historic and religious claims to the land.
Say no one can live there now, and Palestinians must be moved to other countries, ethnically cleanse the land.
Israel annexes the occupied Palestinian West Bank, secured by Miriam Adelson's $100 million support for Trump.
Is that someone that's one of those Israeli lobbyist groups?
I don't know.
You can tell me.
Work that out.
Let me know.
Move on to secure greater Israel and replace the Alaska Mosque in Jerusalem with a rebuild Solomon's...
Rebuilt, I suppose he means Solomon's Temple.
Job done, David Icke.
Anyone with open eyes and a desire for the truth could have predicted this outcome long, long ago.
And I suppose that's David Icke's frustration that he feels like he's been saying these things for ages.
And it's pretty extraordinary that even in the peripheral...
Analysis of a peripheral figure like David Icke, the replacement of the religious sites appears to be at the forefront.
Don't you feel increasingly these days that a secular and materialistic analysis for what's happening politically is insufficient?
That it feels like such a sort of tectonically and epocally significant time of change and fracture that just going, this is about...
Oil doesn't seem like enough.
These people are trying to get their mitts on the shale gas.
Like, it doesn't seem enough anymore.
It seems like powerful forces are at work, and I can't even describe them accurately using simply the language of human politics, which ultimately would...
Well, without some kind of divine Covenant.
We're on a serious precipice now.
People that have always provided good political analysis of ongoing and unfolding events, particularly when it comes to wars, are Max Blumenthal and the folks over at Grey Zone.
Brilliant journalists.
They've obviously picked a side when it comes to this conflict.
I think now it's very appropriate to reiterate that the Democrat leadership enthusiastically joined with Republicans to authorise the shipping over...
Shipping of over 85,000 tonnes of bombs to Israel to drop on the besieged Gaza Strip.
And, of course, Blumenthal's response is to a rather dry post from Simone D. Sanders Townsend.
I think it's now appropriate to reiterate that elections have consequences because I suppose people on the left will be saying, See!
Donald Trump!
It's not just that we think he's a misogynist and a racist and a rapist.
It's that he's going to do crazy political things, like say I'm going to occupy Gaza.
Well, it is pretty crazy, isn't it?
But isn't the ongoing...
Necessity for perpetual war that appears to be defining our time, part of a craziness that goes beyond the phenomena of Donald Trump.
The Ukraine-Russia conflict is being perpetuated.
That's insane!
This ongoing conflict in the Middle East is insane, but has tendrils so far back in time that it's difficult to be blunt or pithy.
Okay, so that's Blumenfall's take on it.
Let's have a look at Arnaud Bertrand on Trump's potential colonialism.
Now, this is someone that our producer said...
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Glenn Greenwald said that we should follow this guy called Arnaud Bertrand.
I'm saying it in a French accent.
It seems right to me.
So let's see what he's saying.
So Trump is announcing that the U.S. will take over the Gaza Strip.
We'll own it.
And then he's parenthesized after ethnically cleansing all Palestinians, or at very least displacing.
Notwithstanding the unreal cynicism of it, what owning Gaza would concretely mean is a merger of Israel and the US. Wow, that's a really interesting bit of analysis.
Do you think that there are...
Pieces of cartilage that are not fully exposed between Israel and the United States.
Let me know in the comments and chat what you think about that and how the powerful lobbyist interests, for example, within Israel influence American foreign policy.
You'll have seen, for example, Senator Thomas Massey talk very articulately about that on Tucker.
Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
Israel's problems would be the US's problems like never before, and the US would be permanently associated with Israel in the eyes of the world.
Relatively ironic, right after Trump got elected to put America first.
Wow!
How do you feel about that, guys?
How do you feel about that when you use the same analysis that you would use to say all of this military aid being sent to Ukraine is irresponsible, it's perpetuating an unwinnable conflict?
How do you apply that and that what we wanted was a president that was going to come in and put America first?
American jobs, American interests.
Now, what, obviously, Trump's going to say is this is going to...
That's why he used economic and...
Mercantile language around it.
One, because it sanitizes the issue of all of its complexity.
But two, because it frames it economically, doesn't it?
This is going to be a great project.
There's so much going on there.
Wait a minute.
The scaffolding.
You're not talking about just construction with something.
So that's the way he's gotten past the America First component, is to frame it as an opportunity, as a deal.
This being Donald Trump, a deal is how he...
I mean, you know, we talk about peace deals anyway, so I suppose.
There you go.
It's not that that nomenclature should be excluded.
Relatively ironic, right after Trump got elected to put America first, which I'm pretty sure didn't include settling a colony in the most conflictual land on Earth.
Yeah, let me know in the comments and chat, even if you're hard in love with Trump and MAGA, where you see this in terms of the mandate under which Trump was swept into power, the Democratic, the electoral mandate.
And in terms of soft power, not sure Americans have fully fought through the consequences of becoming one and the same with an apartheid, if no nationalist state that's abhorred by such a large proportion of the world's population.
That's where I would sort of declare my part.
As a Christian, when you read the Old Testament, if you believe in God, and I believe in God, you start to have to acknowledge that there is a unique, particular, and sacred relationship.
Between the Jewish people and that land.
And I wonder, where is it we're drawing the line of what's acceptable, permissible, and what's not acceptable?
Are we saying that the colonization of America, for example, is unacceptable?
Certainly would have seemed such to the people that were occupying this land.
You know, we're just into such the typical arguments that emerge when discussing this issue.
It's very much part and parcel of Trump's unusual modus operandi, which is to own whatever accusations are thrown at him and to never make any excuse and double down.
Right, that's his MO. Which admittedly worked for him domestically because Americans came to interpret it as a refreshing authenticity or telling it like it is.
The world will undoubtedly see an America-Israel merger as...
In that it had recognised de jure what was de facto already the case.
Right, it would just make explicit something that had been implicit.
Remember the Max Blumenthal post we just looked at.
85,000 tonnes of bombs were shipped to Israel and that was voted for by both Dems and Republicans.
So this is not a partisan issue.
Trump is a unique political figure and phenomena all rolled into one individual.
But the tacit support, according to this post by Arnard Bertrand, of Israel's agenda...
The agenda in that region is not one over which the parties are divided.
The Dems were arming and supplying arms to Israel.
Of course, this is an escalation.
No one's quarrelling with that.
But an escalation, by virtue of definition, is already on the spectrum of what's already happening.
It's merely increased.
But the massive difference in this case is that there's no constituency outside America.
Yes, for make America great again.
The US finally being honest about being an ethno-nationalist colonial power will likely instead be seen by billions of people as the final confirmation that the US is definitely not on their side.
Well, that's a pretty articulate expression.
What I suppose we're all left to wrestle with here is, was that within the purview and agenda of the Donald Trump that you voted for?
Ah, a person of the left or centre-left, how do you see this as distinct from the policies of the administration that you would support?
It's difficult to imagine, I suppose, Kamala Harris saying we're occupying Gaza now, isn't it?
But it's also impossible to conceive that Kamala Harris would be saying we're no longer going to militarily support Israel.
Wouldn't you say that ultimately both institutions within government would have behaved in a similar way or at least a way that's on the same spectra?
Let me know what you think about that in the comments.
And let me know if ultimately what you want is America to be so focused on America's own interests and for them to be somewhat, you know, confined, should we say, geographically, that you see this as an infringement on the deal and an indication that there might be powers that operate politically that are not explicit.
Tacit, invisible power, to use the phrasing of Arnaud Bertrand, the idea that there are powers that are continually, ulteriorly operating that we cannot impede, obstruct, or even observe.
Seems that it's possible.
Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.
We've got so much more to talk about today.
Bill Gates doing a bizarre promotional tour.
So we'll be commenting on that and what he might be up to.
We're going to be talking about RFK and Elizabeth Warren and also some political news from my own country.
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That's the show where I chat about Christianity and such with the likes of Wes Huff.
Wes Huff's the apologist and theologian who went on Joe Rogan recently and made a really big impact in both Christian and secular circles.
Here's a little bit of the conversation I had with Lily earlier today.
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And I think it was hard because...
With the time limit then created, like, some...
Hearing this bit, right, I was saying, what about you, mate, when you had it off a hundred geezers, didn't you feel a bit something in your heart, a little bit?
Don't be childish or disgusting, you lot.
I know how you think.
And in the video itself, you know, I didn't watch the carnal aspects of that, but I did see a clip online of her looking pretty moved and upset.
Right?
I'm sure you guys saw it.
Don't you reckon that's an indication that some sort of inner spiritual line is being crossed?
Anyway, so I've asked her about that there and her answer is sort of pretty surprising.
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And, obviously, these are people who have waited and, you know, have maybe travelled far and are also, like, maybe fans of me and things like that.
And I didn't want to be...
I like to be a bit of a people pleaser.
I didn't want to let them down.
So I think that also created some, like, hostile situations where the guys were a bit like, you're not going to give me more time, like, I've come far.
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Fuck 100 guys.
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Time crunch.
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There are good billionaires, there are bad billionaires, and then there is Bill Gates, the omnibillionaire, the billionaire whose expertise reaches like a fog around every subject.
Why is Bill Gates...
Even on The View.
Why?
Bill Gates?
Like, when did our culture become you're allowed to have Bill Gates?
Like, now, Louis Armstrong!
Like, entertainers used to have to learn a skill, a craft, an art.
Now, just Bill Gates goes on The View.
Let's you know what he thinks.
And what is Bill Gates about?
What does Bill Gates represent?
What is he an indicator of?
Why do so many people have such strong feelings about Bill Gates?
And why does someone like Bill Gates even need a press profile?
What does it indicate?
What does it point to?
Mr. Gates, you also called Elon Musk political influence abroad, quote, insane, along with another word we can't repeat here.
Here he is on the subject of USAID and how the cancelling of USAID will lead to millions of deaths.
The issue is divisive because some people see USAID as a kind of money laundering operation, part of America's imperialist global reach, ways of rewarding, for example, the Clinton Foundation and the sets of interests that Bill Clinton is strongly associated with, i.e.
global power.
That is not explicit nor democratic.
A kind of centralised, resource-based and resource-oriented set of powers that move through the world, benefiting from pandemics, benefiting from wars, avoiding and evading proper inquiry.
Real power.
That should be...
If you're documentary makers looking for something to make a documentary about...
It's about real power and about how real power operates these days.
Look at Bill Gates.
Look at him.
Look at his influence and the way that he benefits from crisis.
Look at the very fact that someone like Bill Gates has a relationship with The View.
Why do you need Bill Gates to be on The View?
What are you telling us?
What are you trying to normalise now?
Whose interests are you operating on behalf of?
They really know not what they do.
I don't just mean the hosts of The View.
I mean the many, many media interests that support globalism, partly because they're invested in it, but partly because they don't know that they are participants in evil.
We can't repeat here, but what's your take on his political access and influence here in America right now?
Well, Elon, his private sector work, You know, it's been very innovative, really fantastic.
A lot of private sector people, when they get into government, they don't take the time necessarily to see what the good work is or why it's structured the way it is.
So I'm a little worried.
Yeah, he should stick to the thing that he's good at in the private sector.
Billionaires have got no business getting involved in, for example.
The World Health Organization or Gavi or any other vaccine-oriented agenda.
For example, billionaires shouldn't get involved in African agriculture or the agriculture in India, messing stuff up by patenting seeds, getting involved in agriculture, potentially participating in a crisis that led to the death of 400,000 Indian farmers.
In fact, wait a minute, these are all things that I've done!
In a way, I watched dear Bill Gates then recognise as he was talking, how can I criticise Elon Musk's overreach when the criticism is in itself a part of the overreach that I'm condemning as I, a billionaire, sit on The View saying billionaires how can I criticise Elon Musk's overreach when the criticism is in itself a part Which billionaire do you think has had the most negative impact on the earth?
Is it Elon Musk or is it Bill Gates?
And who has invested in which particular type of media?
You say that Elon Musk gets a pass because he owns X.
You could be watching this on X right now.
But Bill Gates, you might not know this, is a significant investor in the BBC, funds scholarships, literally Microsoft, NBC.
Bill Gates no longer owns Microsoft.
And I know these things get complex when it comes to ownership models.
But the fact is that Bill Gates has spent a lot of money ensuring you do not have access to an objective perspective on him.
So let me know in the comments in chat, what is your objective perspective on Bill Gates?
And if you had to pick a billionaire oligarch, and it seems that you do have to, is it Bill Gates?
Particularly with this USAID stuff, my foundation partners with USAID on nutrition and...
Getting vaccines out.
There's incredible people.
They're not actually worms that work there.
So hopefully we'll get some of that work back in shape.
In fact, if we don't, you could have literally millions of deaths.
With aid, people think...
You know, wow, how much do we give these countries?
As you said, it's less than a percent.
People think it's 5%, and it should be 2%, but it's actually under 1%.
Wow, and still saving lives.
Yeah, and that's how you should think about it.
In a democracy, you're allowed to have elections and vote for policies that you agree with and vote out politicians that you don't agree with or political parties.
The problem with Bill Gates is he's transcendent of those kind of systems of power.
Whoever you vote for, you're going to be getting some Bill Gates.
As he said himself on The View, one of the top recipients of USAID grants was Garvey.
One of his organisations that he, indeed, is part of his vaccine endeavour.
Yeah, what's a good way of describing Garvey?
It's like, isn't that a sort of a kind of a medical initiative that manufactures and disseminates vaccines?
Isn't that like a good way of describing them?
In any event, it's pretty extraordinary to not have Bill Gates for all the things that he could talk about openly on The View.
Say, look, I actually get loads of USAID. Did he say that?
Did he say, the reason I like this is because it's money that I control and influence that I wield.
He goes on to say that there's probably going to be another pandemic and it could happen any day now.
He's kind of an apocalyptic prophet of pandemics.
Always telling us there's going to be a pandemic.
Always funding some exercise where people practice for when there is a pandemic.
Always funding research that could actually lead to...
Actually, I don't know that Bill Gates is directly...
Involved in funding gain-of-function research or research into the creation of viruses that you can then develop vaccines for.
I don't know that.
I sometimes get mixed up with all of these people because, you know, they're all mates with Jeffrey Epstein.
They're all flying around to his magical world of wonder, his dirty little donkey island, and then turning up on the TV to tell you...
This is what you should do with your money.
This is how you should vote.
These are billionaires that you can rely on.
Here he is telling The View why there's going to be another pandemic and you should do as you're told.
Before COVID, you say you spent the most sleepless nights worrying about pandemics.
And some sleepless nights worrying about whether people would find out the nature of my relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
After COVID, has that changed?
And if it has, what keeps you up now?
Because we all need to know.
Yeah, the pandemic, sadly, was fairly predictable.
And it won't be the last pandemic.
The next one could be far more severe.
If I have my wicked little way, in a sense, Bill Gates is like...
Ike, David, Ike, in so much as I've been telling you that this is what's going to happen.
If only you'll listen to it, it's predictable.
In fact, both of us use that exact idea, Ike, when talking about the proposed occupation of Gaza by presumably U.S. military forces, or Gates talking about the inevitability of another pandemic.
What we're discussing is who gets to be powerful?
Who do you want to be in charge?
And I would say with solely an individualistic and materialistic, maybe even rationalistic worldview, you're not ever...
We're not going to be able to negotiate or navigate your way through these problems because who has absolute moral authority?
Who has it?
Who has supreme authority?
You've just seen Bill Gates on The View saying, you can't trust Elon Musk.
He may make a lovely Tesla, but don't let him into your doge.
Let him into your electric box, but not down to your doge hole.
Well...
Why would you grant Elon Musk authority?
Yeah, that's certainly a good question.
Why would you grant Bill Gates authority?
Why would you grant Trump authority, Biden authority, Keir Starmer authority?
Why would you grant anybody authority unless you thought they were somehow a conduit of or vessel for some kind of certain reliable moral power?
And if you don't believe there is a certain reliable moral power, then I don't know how you even structure.
Government or society or civilization or on what basis there would be a point in doing that other than the relentless pursuit of pleasure, then you can't have any kind of moral aggregation or purview at all.
And if you accept that there is a God, then you have to sort of simultaneously accept the sovereignty of all individuals and their sanctity.
The sanctity of life itself.
And then you would have to probably make an absolute priority the principle of decentralization.
Wherever mankind tries to aggregate power, they are defying God, whether that's corporately or bureaucratically.
Therefore, you could sort of dismiss almost with one almighty sweep both of the great and dreadful ideologies of the last century, communism, state-based power, fascism, a kind of individualistic...
Power derived from the claim of the leader to be able to control entire populations and even the land itself.
And then you'd get rid of the sanitized versions of those ideals that emerged subsequently.
Social democracy, a kind of sanitized version of communism, and free market capitalism, a kind of economized form of fascism, particularly in its form where massive companies receive subsidies.
Tax exemption and are acting beyond any kind of boundary when it comes to geography and often ethics themselves.
What's required clearly is a radical review of the way that we consent to be governed.
Appears to be coming to the forefront, whether you listen to Bill Gates or Donald Trump, whether you're looking at the new Gaza policy, let's call it, or you're looking at who has the right as a billionaire to pontificate on behalf of humanity.
But that's just what I think.
Let me know what you think in the comments in the chat.
I mean, this one, it killed millions.
It was awful.
We got the vaccine.
Actually, President Trump's leadership was a factor in getting that out quickly.
And when I spoke to him, I said, okay, here's some other medical innovations, including a thing called an HIV cure that could be accelerated.
So, you know, we should be more prepared, both for a pandemic.
I'd say that's still number one.
You know, you can worry about nuclear war.
You can worry about AI. There's plenty to worry about.
Do you sleep at all?
No, I mean, The view doing there what the view does best, indeed what the view is designed for, to trivialise important issues and to normalise gargantuan, mutated and dreadful power.
How do you sleep at night?
How do you sleep at night?
Well, just with people I met on Epstein Island.
How can you trivialise power of that?
Magnitude.
How can you have someone sort of speculate?
We don't know whether it's going to be a pandemic.
We're talking about sort of unprecedented global power and we're talking about it in sort of banalised terms.
Outrageous, really, to participate in at all.
Extraordinary that this is something that we permit as sovereign and awakened individuals.
How long will we continue to tolerate it?
Hopefully...
Not for much longer because I sense a powerful awakening happening among us right now.
But that's just what I think.
Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
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Here he talks about how regulations can grant freedom, but also don't you get from that there has to be a moral and supreme authority to provide them regulations.
It's either arbitrary or achieved by mandate of the people.
Then you'll start saying you can't achieve regulations or law, order, by mandate of the people.
The people have been misguided by deceptive media.
And you would be right.
They have been.
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How many more times do I have to tell you?
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Let's have a look at my chat with Wesley Huff where he talks about freedom from rules.
Let me know who came up with the phrase joy through work.
There are countries around the world where you can do whatever you want, whenever you want, however you want.
And we wouldn't describe those countries as overly safe.
It's within the context of boundaries that actually freedom thrives.
It's because of the fact that we have stop signs and we stop at the stop sign.
We stop our vehicle so that people can walk by and we allow for that, at least to some degree, that limitation for the sake of peace and for the sake of safety.
Those limitations actually...
Create the ability of the parameters of true freedom within a society.
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Do you want to see me talk about Elizabeth Warren and RFK? Do you want to see me talk about Keir Starmer in the UK and the madness of that prison island?
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Stealth fact enthusiasts.
Tell me what you want to see me talk about.
Keir Starmer or NATO. Or Keir Starmer or NATO, that's what I said, wasn't it?
Or Elizabeth Warren RFK. Let's say Elizabeth Warren RFK is number one.
Number two, Keir Starmer and all of the mad crazy...
Oh, that sounds quite good, actually, that.
And three, NATO. One, two, or three.
Let me know on locals, although locals don't seem to be working, actually.
How can I check that?
Let me know.
In fact, Isaac, can you have a look at locals for me, mate?
It just seems like the...
Paige needs refreshing, but there ain't nothing to press on it.
A lot of RFK coming up, guys.
A lot of RFK. Pakistan, ladies, says Stephen E. What are you even talking about, you maniacs?
Okay.
I think it looks like you guys want to talk about Elizabeth Warren and RFK. Let's do precisely that now.
Just there, Isaac.
Why don't you say hello to your wife and son while you've come this far?
Jessica, Leon, are you watching?
Hello.
Steady look.
Not Jessica.
Good, good.
Thank you very much.
Nice.
There I am.
Don't put that picture on that or distract me.
Don't post porn in the chat, you lunatics.
All right.
So the confirmation of RFK continues to unfold.
Let me know in the comments and chat what you think.
If we don't get Bobby Kennedy as the head of the HHS, that...
Represents the end and death of the Maha movement.
We would be stuck with old school Democrat politicians like Elizabeth Warren.
Here she is saying that she doesn't accept...
Pack money or donations from Big Pharma, which I find a little difficult to believe.
Do you believe me?
Let me know in the comments and chat.
Isaac, come and sit down.
I don't take contributions from Big Pharma executives.
I don't take any corporate pack money.
And you and your allies already know that.
Yeah, I'm a great person, doing a great job.
So, here, you won't, for example, find out that I've, in fact, oh, Super PAC launches to support, put them cans back on Isaac, I'm getting a terrible bleed.
Super PAC launches to support Elizabeth Warren, who has decided, who has decried the role of Super PACs.
Mystery Warren Super PAC funder revealed.
Top 20 member recipients of money from Pharmaceuticals and Health.
Number one, Bernie Sanders.
Who's going to be number two?
Should we get some sort of drum roll on this?
It's obviously Elizabeth Warren, completely lacking in principles.
Let's see if that's in any way impacted her perspective on allowing ordinary citizens to sue vaccine manufacturers.
You will recall when we had Aaron Siri on the show, lawyer, expert and advocate for those injured by vaccines, he said, That because vaccine manufacturers have indemnity from prosecution, it means that they've got a biased and bogus model, economic model, when it comes to vaccine manufacture.
If you make vitamin C, you could get sued if your product goes wrong.
If you make headache tablets, you could be sued.
Oncology drugs, you could be sued.
Vaccines, you can't be sued.
Imagine over time the favourability that that grants the manufacturer a vaccine.
Imagine how over time the buyers will be, wait a minute, If we make vaccines and they kill people it don't matter to us legally and given that we have no concerns other than making money and profit anything that's endlessly...
Profitable, or at least potentially profitable, if you could get a government to mandate it, if it's impossible to sue people if the vaccine goes wrong, or at least even if you do sue them, the government makes the payout, as happens in my crazy country.
It's extraordinary.
No wonder you have entrenched politicians who truly believe they're doing the right thing.
I think that when you look at this cavalcade of adorable lunatics, Elizabeth Warren, AOC, Keir Starmer, whoever, they, in their little hearts, think they're doing the right thing.
You see Elizabeth Warren's self-righteousness.
Listen, I don't know you and your allies.
You're the fake news!
You're the fake news!
But actually, though, she's so deep in an ideology of corporatism and support of the interests of the powerful that she doesn't even know that's what she's doing.
Stated, this is not only about a private company that gets sued and has to pay out.
Vaccine manufacturers often operate on very slim profit margins.
If they get sued repeatedly and successfully, they simply move out of the vaccine space.
We've already seen this happen with vaccines in the past.
20 years ago, we watched vaccines just move away if they did not have protection from these kinds of lawsuits.
If you don't protect those poor vaccine manufacturers from those bastards, the vaccine injured.
Have you seen footage of that girl spasming on the floor after she got the COVID vaccine?
Have you seen that?
Drop it in there.
We can't allow monsters like that to attack Pfizer now.
Albert Baller!
Fauci, Moderna, the Sackler family, and the creators of the opioid crisis.
My evil pharmaceutical overlords are at risk from the vaccine injured.
You sons of bitches.
I'm not going to sit here and secretly accept their donations and then not vociferously advocate for their interests.
RFK, you are a bastard and a monster, and I've seen you put a baby bird in a blender.
That was for Hawks.
I keep Hawks.
Shut up!
There's no time for context.
This is my time.
This is my time.
...of lawsuits.
The consequence of Mr. Kennedy's ability to make those lawsuits easier is also the ability to shut down access and manufacturing for vaccines for every one of us.
And I think that's a...
What would we do?
Won't someone please, please think of the children who have suddenly got skyrocketing autism numbers among them ever since this extensive and unregulated vaccine program began?
Well, certainly, if you can tell stories using economics and graphs, it appears that Bobby Kennedy's candidature and passing of the financial aspect, at least, of the Senate committee is having an impact.
Pfizer and Moderna stocks crashing after RFK's nomination for the HHS was advanced.
So, there you have it.
Q, guys?
Q? You don't read that as a Q? Oh, my God.
Come on, man.
So, there you have it.
So, there you have it.
Elizabeth Warren postures morally.
And it seems duplicitously making claims that she exists solely to ensure that enough vaccines are made for everyone.
An interest shared by, among others, Bill Gates, who also seems very keen for us to get vaccines to the most vulnerable on the earth, unless there's a competing desire for profit.
And there you have, too, Bobby Kennedy, castigated, condemned, criticised, And slammed as a hypocrite when it appears that we have, at least in his candidature, the possibility of a legitimate, honest, open, but flawed political figure and leader.
If Bobby Kennedy don't get confirmed, we're left in a morass and banal landscape of Elizabeth Warren's.
And that's what the epitome of politics is.
And God help us if that remains true.
But that's just what I think.
Why don't you let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.
Okay, well, listen.
We're going to call it a day now.
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And Neil Oliver.
We'll be talking a bit about my conversation with Lily Phillips.
We'll be talking about the RFK confirmation and a lot more too.
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