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Jan. 26, 2025 - Stay Free - Russel Brand
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Anthony Fauci Exposed: The Truth Behind His Rise to Power – SF526
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Today, I've got so many stories about vaccines that are mind-bending.
Sort of, in a sense, it's inspired by Andrew Schultz's viral video where he just said, what have I got on my arm, man?
But we've got some unique new reporting from Ashley Rinsberg on the LA Times' relationship.
With vaccines and how they propagate it.
It's a brilliant story.
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In a minute, I'll be talking to Jenner first about his film about Anthony Fauci.
I feel like across the world, the pandemic issue is coming home to roost.
Even as Trump talks at the WEF, even as, you know, contradictorily he pulls out of the WHO, I feel that we're getting the reckoning that the pandemic warranted.
The pandemic means, by its nature, it was across the world.
What better way to understand and assess globalism than that?
One phenomena that affected everyone simultaneously.
I think that's why it was...
I'm going to be talking to Jenna First, brilliant filmmaker, about his Anthony Fauci film.
What's interesting about him, by the way, is he was going to direct a hagiography about Fauci, like every late-night talk show, saying how fantastic Fauci is, but he's ended up making a film that shows the darkness of Anthony Fauci, and I know you're going to love that.
Before we get into talking to Jenna First...
Let's now look at Andrew Schultz talking about Fauci's pardon.
Because, obviously, if you've done nothing wrong, you don't need a pardon.
But Fauci took the pardon.
Fauci could say, I don't want the pardon, I don't think I did anything wrong.
But he took the pardon.
I'm not blaming anybody for taking a pardon.
I do, because now you're guilty.
Because there are a lot of people that were on the January 6th committee.
They were offered a pardon, and they said no.
They're like, I did my job.
I was supposed to investigate this.
I didn't know that.
That's good that some people on the Jan 6th committee rejected the pardon because why do you need a pardon if you're innocent, which undermines the entire premise of these preemptive pardons, which I suppose is, oh no, when Trump comes in, he's going to vilify, condemn, and lock up his political enemies.
We're going to give you preemptive pardons to protect you.
That's the only defense for giving out these pardons.
Otherwise, it looks like...
You needed these pardons because you've done something wrong.
There are so many things that we see said now that would have been inconceivable at the height of the pandemic, and for good reason, because now we know that one of his last acts in office, in addition to pardoning Fauci, was for Joe Biden to give Moderna a near $600 million deal.
Most of us are deeply cynical about the relationship between Big Pharma, the state, and the media.
The fact is though that it isn't just in the issue of vaccines or even the pandemic more broadly where the relationship between the state A large corporation and the media are the defining triumvirate of relationships that control all of our lives.
That's why the pandemic was so important.
That's why I'll be talking to Jenna first in a little while about his film about Anthony Fauci.
Firstly, this is some reporting by Ashley Rinsberg.
You can follow him at Substack.
There's his details.
This is fascinating, if you ask me, because what I like about this is, let me just show you this.
During the pandemic, The LA Times was extremely favourable and supportive in the way they reported on the pandemic, generally demanding compliance from most of us and supporting government edicts, if not mandates.
Let's get into the story.
A farmer billionaire has turned one of America's largest newspapers, the Los Angeles Times, into a pawn in his vaccine empire.
Patrick Soon-Shiong, the South African-born billionaire physician, bought the LA Times in 2018 for $500.
$500 million, otherwise.
I mean, the LA Times is not a very good newspaper, but we're talking millions here, not like 500 bucks.
At the time, he claimed it was about preserving journalism's role in a free society.
But what he's done with the papers suggests something else entirely.
People, I've got this incredible tendency to pretend that what they're doing is beneficial.
I'm buying the LA Times.
Why?
To help society.
What are you actually doing it for?
Well, you'll find out.
Sun Xiong also owns Immunity Bio.
You only bought Immunity Bio to help humanity.
Stop claiming everything you do to help humanity when it appears that you've got more nefarious ends intended.
A biotech company developing the next generation of vaccines, including a universal booster for COVID. It's not enough that we all have to get COVID, chaps.
Now the universe has to have one.
It's a hybrid vaccine combining RNA and DNA technologies designed to stimulate both antibodies and T-cells.
In short, Sun Xiong is deeply invested in the vaccine game and is using the LA Times to push that agenda.
On one hand, we had incredible censorship.
We all remember that.
True claims around vaccine injury were censored.
True concerns about an incorrectly or inadequately trialled vaccine were censored.
People questioning government policy were censored.
Meanwhile, ludicrously and outrageously, we saw the amplification of the government's message through even the LA Times, and now we're beginning to understand why.
Powerfully amplified and pressed the government's agenda.
Just think, you've probably forgotten just how much propaganda there was.
We saw Stephen Colbert dressed as vaccines.
We saw the late-night James Corden show, people dancing in the streets celebrating Fauci.
We saw hip-hop songs, gay songs, country songs, Christian songs.
John Legend had a go, didn't he?
Like people showing you in public.
There you go.
Right?
So they were clearly trying to significantly warp our perspective of vaccines.
And this is a very specific example of how that went down.
Of course, we're going to be looking at the fact that right up to the minute he left office, Biden was still funneling money towards Moderna.
And British Al Fauci...
I call him that.
The British Fauci was Chris Whitty.
And Chris Whitty had admitted that the vaccine deployment was a 100% political decision.
So in the end, together, what you get is an assessment of how globalism and global corruption in particular works.
One centralised edict to legitimise it through crisis, measures of control, opportunity for profit.
Lovely little gig if you can get it.
Let's crack on with this dude.
Under his ownership, we're talking about Sun Xiong.
Under his ownership, the Times became one of the most hardline pro-vaccine voices in the media.
In 2021, the editorial published pieces like, It's time to get tough on vaccine evaders.
Let's have a look at that.
Oh, this one's bring the mandates, yeah, and get tough.
And what's this one here?
There's no absolute right to refuse vaccination.
Would the LA Times, where do they stand on abortion?
I know it's common to draw the comparison between bodily autonomy when it comes to vaccine and bodily autonomy when it comes to abortion.
And it's extraordinary that one half of the political conversation is dedicated to the idea that you should be forced to have vaccines, but you should never be prevented from terminating a pregnancy.
Those are...
I don't know, you can explain to me in the comments and chat how those aren't contradictory concepts, but what's fascinating is to see how an organisation like the LA Times, most of us know it's absolute cod's wallet, is still somewhat regarded as a significant LA legacy media asset.
Bring on the COVID vaccination mandates.
The paper even argued there's no absolute right to refuse vaccination.
They were relentless in promoting vaccines and vilifying those who hesitate.
Also, by the way, saying there's no absolute right to deny vaccinations, that's a very strong position to take.
You're saying the state should be able to control you right down to that level.
And that kind of exposes statism, doesn't it?
Generally speaking, you would accept that if you're staying in America, I've got to buy American rules, I've got to drive at the speed limit.
But if you analyse it, you will see great state encroachment over all your actions and activities.
The agenda of the state is control, and in the end, in pursuit of control, they will legitimise.
Any measures necessary and will potentially participate in crisis, if not welcome crisis.
Let's just not assume malevolence where incompetence will do.
They will certainly exploit various crises.
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We're in the middle of talking about Sun Xiong, the proprietor of the LA Times, who used his position to propagate a variety of messages.
In a minute I'm going to be talking to Jenna first, distinguished American documentary filmmaker and producer who's made a fantastic film called Thank You, Dr. Fauci.
And I think it might be a sarcastic thank you at this stage.
Now listen to this.
You would imagine that vacillations in perspective would not be common.
They certainly are.
Sun Xiong made waves on a podcast where he praised Bobby Kennedy, a long-time critic of COVID vaccines.
I mean, this is one of the extraordinary vicissitudes of the recent election.
The idea that Bobby Kennedy, who was once a person that I'd have been nervous of talking about because of his position on autism and vaccines, which we're now going to have to recognise there isn't significant clinical data to prove that there is no connection between autism and vaccines, because what they always say is...
There's never been a proper fight.
Anyway, what I'm sort of saying is that Bobby Kennedy is now a confirmation pending In a position of significant power.
So notice that old Sun Xiong and his ilk are willing to bend the knee temporarily.
Let me know in the comments in chat how surprised you've been to see various billionaires and tech oligarchs lining up beside Trump, showing in a way that there are no real principles behind their positions.
It's simply expedient positions to take in order to get into positions of domination.
Before we continue with the LA Times article, this is a brilliant conversation.
Between a CNBC news anchor and former FDA commissioner, now Pfizer board member, Scott Gottlieb.
See how these things work?
One minute, you're running the FDA, the Food and Drug Administration, and the next minute, you are working at Pfizer.
It's a topsy-turvy, crazy world out there.
Note, I tweeted this out.
A friend of mine, and if you're watching, I love you, diagnosed stage 3 cancer yesterday.
This is a fantastic clip because...
A short while ago, in the glory days of the LA Times, where they were happily lying about moral positions of whether or not you should be out of control of your own body, it would have been inconceivable that someone would, on mainstream media, be able to even raise the question that there's a link between the rise in turbo cancers and all-cause mortality and vaccines.
But now, that is happening.
Close family members of mine have had it.
Another buddy of mine just had a stroke.
He's non-verbal now.
A buddy of mine was in a hospital for three days, just got out yesterday or two days ago, RSV pneumonia.
I know I'm getting older.
I know we're all getting older.
Is it just me or is everybody sick?
Like, the level of RSV, pneumonia, all this stuff going around.
You're having a mad moment on the TV. Is it just me or is everything falling apart?
Everyone I know is sick.
My dog don't even love me!
Pneumonia, all this stuff going around.
Strokes, breast cancer, the New York Times.
No, he's making a good point there.
There has been an incredible...
And measurable rise in heart disease and in cancers and in all cause mortality.
So this man hasn't just fallen into a well of melancholy.
He simply observed that everybody is sick.
Story on breast cancer spiking.
Doctor, can you give us an answer as to why?
Because you know where I'm going with this.
A lot of people point to COVID and maybe even the COVID vaccine because they don't know.
What is it?
Yeah, look, we don't know is the answer.
Some cancers are going up, you're right, colon cancer in particular.
Former FDA commissioner, look, we don't know, we don't know.
What we do know is I used to work...
At the FDA, as it said.
Now I work at Pfizer.
It's almost as if deals get done between organizations like Pfizer and government agencies, and it could be part of the nature of such deals that our intentions and agenda are so entwined that were vaccines causing cancer and contributing to all-cause mortality, all of us would...
Agree to keep that matter secret no matter what.
And in a crazy age where the JFK files are finally being released, I bet they keep a bit of it back, then you may, you can certainly assume you won't be getting the truth about Pfizer anytime soon.
Particularly the incidence has been going up, particularly in young people.
Especially under 30, yep.
Right.
So we don't understand that.
Some people believe it's related to changes in the U.S. diet.
As far as the infectious...
Big food on the phone!
Don't you dare say that's connected to changes in diet!
Big farm river.
Don't you say that that's vaccines?
Big agriculture.
Don't you say we're using pesticides in the soil?
Is there anything I can say?
Is there anything I can do?
Or do you want to own every single molecule in my body and adjust those molecules to make me more compliant?
Oh, yeah, no.
Can we do that?
Actually, yeah, we can.
We're going to be doing that as well.
It's just disease that's going around.
We have had a difficult season with flu, with COVID, with RSV. Those rates look like they're coming down.
People are clumsy.
It snowed in Florida.
You slip, you fall, you bang your head, you...
...developed myocarditis.
...coming down across most of the country right now, with the exception of norovirus, which is still going up.
The strain of norovirus that's...
I'm eagerly pretending to care about people's health when he's just gone from the FDA to Pfizer and worried about people with the neurovirus.
Is it me?
Or is that the other guy on the other side of the table?
Is it me or has everyone got neurovirus?
Is everybody sick and got cancer?
The neurovirus that's circulating right now is a new strain, so a lot of people probably don't have baseline immunity to it, and that's why you've seen so many people getting it and so many people getting sick.
That's about the incidence of neurovirus right now is probably 2x what it was in the last five years.
Try and show off saying 2x about neurovirus.
Tell us the truth for you, slip reel.
It's not so long ago that the media amplified and propagandised for those vaccines.
Clearly, over the next 18 months, maybe as part of the early Trump movement, administration now, plainly, we'll start to get revelations and facts that will help us to understand exactly what went on.
But was he here, Ashley Rindberg, in his reporting as...
He exposed some of the sinew that undergirded the policies of that era.
Now, I told you that he was praising Bobby Kennedy.
Where he praised Bobby Kennedy, a long-time critic of COVID vaccines.
Soon Sean called RFK all about the science and claimed Kennedy understands the subject better than most doctors.
This is coming from the man who owns a paper that called RFK's health policies a catastrophe.
I'm going to surprise you.
I like Bobby Kennedy.
So what's going on?
Let's connect the dots.
In 2022, Sun Xiong opened a $200 million vaccine manufacturing facility in South Africa.
What's he up to, this guy?
He's a crafty little character, aiming to produce a billion doses by 2025. Let's have a look at him.
Celebrating that.
Oh, Sun Xiong.
Oh, look, he's wearing a mask.
He can't rely on this geezer.
Oh, look at the size of those scissors that other man's got.
And why is their logo a feather in a circle?
What are they trying to tell us?
We can't trust them.
Not a single one of them.
Sun Xiong isn't just flipping the script on RFK. He's also rebranding the LA Times.
Last year, he stirred controversy by blocking the paper from endorsing Kamala Harris for president.
He's pledged to add a bias meter to the Times website and he's launching a health podcast.
It all looks like a calculator player to...
I get it.
Keep an eye.
On this one.
As a fantastic bit of report in there from Ashley Rinsberg.
Follow him on X and look him up on Substack.
Because what that does is it reveals to us that the expedient convenience of powerful media magnates who likely have conflicts of interest directed public policy when it came to a significant issue, perhaps the most significant post-war issue, the pandemic, perhaps the most significant post-war issue, the pandemic, where we recognise that globalism is real.
Ashley Rinsberg there has shown us how some of the component parts came together.
We're beginning to understand now the power of not only professional politicians like Anthony Fauci, and we'll be talking to Jenna first in a minute about his new film.
Thank you, Dr. Fauci.
But before that, and to conclude this special on vaccines, note that while leaving it...
While leaving office, Joe Biden almost flung an emergency $600 million of funding at Moderna.
Like, I saw one of his last desperate acts, pardoning Fauci, pardoning his kids, pardoning everybody that he's ever met, pardoning people who don't need pardons.
He also flung $600 million, or at least his administration did, in the direction of Moderna.
He is British, Anthony Fauci, if you can imagine such a thing, saying...
That the deployment of vaccines was 100% a political decision.
Why that's a crazy thing to say is it was supposed to be a medical decision.
If it's a medical decision, it's a personal decision, particularly if it's never been clinically trialled for transmission.
The whole thing, therefore, was propaganda and an early indicator that...
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Here's Chris Whitty saying that vaccines was 100% a political decision.
VCOD, vaccine as a condition of deployment.
In England, it had two aspects.
One, the policy which was actually put into place of vaccines.
I had such a long break out of the inquiry.
They were doing that, like, last year.
They've had months off from that.
I remember that bloke now.
Like, he don't get to the point.
He's like, okay, so look, tell me why it wasn't that bad and we can just blame a couple of bad apples for all this.
Vaccine is a condition of deployment for persons working in care homes, and then subsequently there was a proposal to widen it out to the wider care and healthcare sector.
Was that an issue which ultimately was for the chief medical officer, and it's obvious that you gave advice, and I'm not going to go into the details of the advice, or was it ultimately a political decision for ministers?
My view is it was 100% a political decision.
But there was some clinical information that needed to proceed it.
But ultimately, it's about essentially balancing two risks and rights against one another, the risk to an individual who's highly vulnerable being cared for by someone who, because they haven't got a vaccine, then has an infection and then passes it on.
Oh, that's amazing, because it's not clinically trialled for transmission, it never was.
They're not even claiming that the vaccine would prevent you from giving it to another person, but that the vaccine might have prevented you from getting COVID in the first place and therefore protecting other people and therefore being a social duty and obligation.
But let me ask this.
Is there anyone out there watching this that obediently and regrettably, like Andrew Schultz, took that vaccine and then...
Got COVID anyway!
Did you ever hear of that happening?
Like...
Alright, there you go then.
So the whole argument is moot.
So that's the risk to the person who's been cared for versus the risk to the individual that they're right.
That's the whole argument of having a state, is where do the common interests impede on individual freedom?
That's one philosophical question.
And then the next one is, do you trust the state to aggregate and calculate where your individual freedoms and the freedom of a community align?
And the other question is, no I don't!
And neither do you!
We don't want the state having that power.
That should be your power and God's power.
And if your power is not informed by God, you'll make terrible choices.
I can tell you that from personal experience.
But that doesn't mean that you should give it to the state and pretend that the state is a kind of God.
This isn't the crazy way they talk.
That's the first time I've understood, though.
If you get a vaccine, yeah, then you might not get COVID. Well, don't people get COVID anyway?
Yes, yes, but that's not the point.
So, therefore, if you saw an old and vulnerable person who's also had the vaccine...
And, you know, that should prevent them getting COVID, you might think, because that's how you're claiming the vaccine works.
Well then, that person won't get COVID from you because you've...
Got the vaccine, haven't you?
So if you didn't do it, you're evil and racist and you're the next titler.
Well, alright, I did get the vaccine and I still got COVID. Then I saw that person who had also had the vaccine and they still got COVID. And they died a couple of years later of myocarditis.
So it's beginning to sound like the whole thing was based on dubious science at best and malfeasance at worst.
And not actually worse, because totally the worst would be...
The whole concoction...
Was an attempt to experiment with how much power could be asserted without significant resistance.
The resistance came, though, and it was diffuse and peculiar and primarily originated out of independent media.
Most of us recall the epochal moment where we saw, say, Robert Malone on Joe Rogan.
Joe Rogan, let's face it, was pretty sensual during this time.
And ultimately came to the conclusion that...
Even if they had at some point thought that that vaccine was effective, they knew that it wasn't long before they stopped recommending it, in particular to certain communities like young people, for example, young men who are at risk of myocarditis and don't need to get it for themselves.
You also recall all of the various media moments where they tried to sort of pull back a little bit and reframe it, and that's now actually finding it...
Full expression for the LA Times story where the LA Times are sort of pretending that they've always really loved Bobby Kennedy.
If they could destroy Bobby Kennedy, they would.
If they could destroy you, they would.
If they could control everybody by claiming that they're protecting you, they would.
And they will continue to find ways to do that.
I don't know, let me know in the comments in the chat, what you think, whether the Trump administration will be a significant bulwark and prophylactic against that kind of insidious desire for...
But I hope that it will be.
That's just what I think.
Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.
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Without further delay, let's introduce our friend Jenna First, the documentary maker who made in 24, so just recently, the film Thank You, Dr. Fauci, that examines Fauci's role in the pandemic.
A first-person investigation, so like Nick Broomfield or whatever, into the origins of COVID-19.
First is the founder of Insight, a premium content studio, and up until very recently, maybe still is, you'll have to check, he was on Tucker Carlson's network.
Jenna, thank you so much for joining us.
Are the fires still actually going on?
Let's not pretend this interview's happening now.
Here it is, I recorded it earlier.
Jenna, thanks so much for joining us today.
Thank you for having me.
Where are you then in the fires?
I know you're an L.A. resident.
I'm so sorry.
I don't mean to be glib about it.
I'm sorry that you're going through that.
Where are you now?
Yeah, I'm on the east side.
I'm by Griffith Park.
And it's been very calm.
The air is good now.
But I did leave.
I went to San Diego for a couple days.
It got a little hairy when the fires were in the hills.
But my partner lives in the Palisades and he lost everything.
Oh, you're joking.
Yeah, Palisades.
That's some of the apocalyptic stuff right there, isn't it?
The Palisades.
Do you know what's mad, mate?
I forget that I lived in LA, so when you say Griffith Park, like, oh, the image comes of that bear.
And, like, you know, I know that place.
I lived right near there a bunch of times in my life, you know, during my time in the city of Los Angeles.
Other than what you see on X, I don't know much about it.
You said a minute ago, just before we started our chat, that it's sort of surreal.
You're a journalist and a filmmaker.
What does it feel like to be there?
Well, you know, I think we can accept acts of God, you know, Mother Nature, things like that, but this doesn't feel like A natural disaster.
It feels like a disaster of government, a disaster of leadership.
This could have been prevented.
A fire may have started, but the damage that these fires caused could have been prevented.
They ran out of water at one point.
It's shocking, and I think it really highlighted how corrupt...
The state of California is, and this whole water debate, and we don't even clean forests here.
I mean, there's so many middle class jobs that could be created through forest management and even water projects that seem to be controlled.
I mean, there's a family in California, supposedly, that controls all the water.
It's very corrupt stuff.
It's like Chinatown.
That's mental.
That's ridiculous.
You know, like when people sort of frame stuff as a natural disaster, this is what it made me realise just then.
It sounds like what you're describing is a breaking of the pact or covenant that exists between the government and the governed.
Like, you guys pay taxes there, and there are significant taxes in California, I know, because I've lived there.
The property taxes are high, the income taxes are high, and those are particular California levies.
So you feel like for that, what you should get is when there is a requirement for government intervention, whether that's criminal judicial issues or, inverted commas, natural disasters, you want excellence from your government.
And if that doesn't come forth, you're like, right, you guys.
Now, they describe it as a natural disaster, but there's a sort of a sub-narrative of Climate change, if you're on the sort of cultural left, and what climate change does is sort of says it's collectively being caused by the negligence of human beings.
But it's not God in a kind of a traditional sense, like, you know, sort of a punishment.
It's not like a flood or an inferno in order to punish people.
It's just because collectively we are bad and nature has responded in this way as a kind of punishment.
And really what I've noticed is whenever they suggest climate change legislation, it's usually punitive to ordinary people and doesn't regulate either huge interests or...
What you might call economic or social elites.
So this fire has brought a lot of political narratives to the forefront and you as a resident of LA fall firmly on the side of I sense government ineptitude because it should have been prepared for better and dealt with more quickly and efficiently.
Yeah, I mean it's a perfect parallel to COVID, right?
I mean a lot of the research that was done On these viruses, they were using global warming and climate change as an excuse that, you know, we're encroaching on rainforests and all these viruses are jumping over from nature and we have to research them and we have to take them into a laboratory and genetically engineer them so that we can get ahead of it.
And it's the opposite.
These viruses, sure, they...
It can easily come from a rainforest to a village, maybe even make it to a wet market.
But the biggest threat that we're facing is man-made intervention in this whole problem.
And what's underneath that is an even more sinister story about bioweapons and espionage and a lot of scary stuff, the corruption of the pharmaceutical industry.
The way that our government is captured by these large corporations that seek to, in effect, abuse the public.
And so when you hear, for me, seeing this fire happen in Los Angeles, it's very symbolic, right?
Aside from being the fifth largest economy on the planet, this is also a place where American culture is exported to the world.
Our greatest export is Hollywood, and this is in many ways an image of America, for better or worse.
I mean, I think a lot of countries that hate America look at Hollywood as a perfect example of our moral bankruptcy, and it's burning.
And I go on the news and I'm someone who comes from the far left, like the anti-government left.
Like I believe in the protection of people, the providing for the poor.
You know, in many ways, a lot of my beliefs align with, say, libertarians.
The difference is I think there should be a safety net because I grew up in cities, you know.
But a lot of this anti-war, anti-corporations, anti-politics for the most part.
And what I saw happen with this fire, it's almost a direct parallel to COVID because you saw party lines, you saw now it was a fight between Gavin Newsom and Donald Trump.
And this is a distraction to the public, the same way it was during COVID, that the game is dividing the public.
If you are any scholar of late-stage capitalism, you know that there is more than enough for everybody.
But the illusion that there isn't, or even the illusion that we're facing some existential crisis that we can't do anything about, that we need to recycle, which is insane.
I mean, we have technologies in place to do a number of different things to fight any issue with the climate.
We have technologies in place to desalinate water in California.
We don't do it.
We have technologies to seed clouds.
I mean, the Beijing Olympics, they were seeding rainstorms to clean the city.
Why can't California do that with its driest forest?
And it begs the question, you know, and it's not just negligence.
I think there's something underneath it, like COVID, that's far more sinister.
And in many ways, it's the abuse of public trust.
It's the abuse of the safety net that should be there for people that isn't.
That's pretty good analysis, if I may say, Jenna.
Jenna, the idea of scarcity is an important component of social control because if you limit what's available, competition, and therefore competition becomes necessary and conflict becomes likely.
You said that you're from the...
I've not heard anyone say anything like that for a long time, long, long time, from the far-left anti-government left.
I actually sort of forgot that was a component, even though that's where I'm from.
I'm from there.
I'm from, like, occupy the streets.
Exactly.
I'm from go to, like, marches to support...
Stockers, go to marches, anti-war, go to marches just to kick off, go to marches that are just generally against the, in inverted commas, the man.
But because there's been such an extraordinary, rapid, and at times very confusing, set of cultural shifts, I sort of forgot that that was available.
Some time ago, a friend of mine called Adam Curtis said that...
When I was concerned, I was like, this is years ago, this might be ten years ago, because the stuff I'm starting to watch online and the people I'm starting to identify with are on their right wing, right?
And he goes, well, just because this comes out of the right, it don't need to be, inverted commas, right wing, how you would...
I believe in...
Love and compassion and service.
And that's, like, since coming to Christ or Christ coming to me, however you term it, it's one of the massive benefits of this has been that...
I'm no longer left as a solitary adventurer when it comes to determining what moral course to make through issues because it's already sort of predetermined by not only scripture but by actions of Christ.
And it's also a set of morals that supersede and Trump, forgive the word, whatever moral authority might be used to oppose it.
Governmental, of course, governmental moral authority.
So please, while telling us about how you came to make the film Thank You, Dr. Fauci, your 2024 film, out now...
Now, can you tell us whether or not the COVID period somehow helped you to, or expedited your shift from, you know, the kind of, like, left-wing radical that I might, well, I was, like, I don't trust government, blah, blah, blah, that kind of stuff, big corporations, you know, I said in the last show we were doing, I was like, in the Iraq wars, it was Cheney, Bush, Wolfowitz, they were all, like, right-wing conservatives doing that war gear then.
Now, Biden, so what's going on?
Who are these migratory interests that seem to operate beneath these systems of war?
Anyway, can you tell me how your, thank you, you've already illustrated how the 20, these current fires are comparable to the COVID pandemic, and I thought that was really well explained.
Could you help me to understand how you changed and learned during that pandemic period, in particular with regard to your previous identification as a sort of a leftist radical?
Well, yeah, I mean, you touched on it.
I came up in 9-11, right?
And so I saw, you know, an act of, quote, terror be used to reorganize the world, to strip average Americans, regular people of their civil liberties, to invoke government authority unlike anything that this democracy or republic has ever seen.
That is really what formed my belief system, and it was Cheney and Bush and that whole world that built my consciousness about empire and about late-stage capitalism and about the way that we were organizing to control the world through a series of illusions and through the use of propaganda.
In a new world, in a world that had the internet and eventually social media.
And I think that ultimately...
As the years went on, I've challenged many different aspects of our zeitgeist and brought them to large audiences.
I've challenged the opioid epidemic.
I've challenged the criminal justice system.
I've challenged multi-level marketing and how it preys on middle-class people.
I've challenged social media deception.
I did the film about the fire festival with Ja Rule.
That's amazing, that film!
Yeah, that was me.
That's so funny!
I did the one on Hulu, though.
I did the one on Hulu, Russell.
So I had Billy, and we were warring documentaries, but I've since reconciled with the Netflix team.
I had a film on Netflix at the same time called The Pharmacist.
So I've done these explorations of culture.
Of crime.
A recent series I did was called Murdoch Murders.
It was seen by a hundred, streamed for a hundred million hours in the first two weeks.
And so it's, you know, I've been repeatedly looking at the zeitgeist, looking at what, you know, trends.
And so I consider myself a cynical person, someone who knows how to analyze media, someone who knows how to analyze propaganda.
And the most shocking thing to me was with that entire background, with that conditioning to distrust, with an anti-authoritarian, you know, pro-public, pro-whore, pro-manipulation of the masses, you know, investigating these things and pro-independence, I realized that I was just a sucker.
And that I had been a sucker for a couple years with this COVID story.
And that as much as I could buy and as much as I was willing to accept in the very beginning that this virus came from a lab, I found myself going along with the herd in my business and my industry, you know, not wanting to make waves, you know, taking what I could get for work and arguing with my own family.
And it took about three hours.
To have a really, really intense psychological break.
When I decided to investigate this, I was contacted by these independent producers.
They said, look, we know your work.
We really want an authentic, you know, a real telling of this story by a reputable filmmaker.
We don't want it to be seen as just another conspiracy theory film.
We don't want it to be hyperpolitical.
I said, well, I don't make...
It can't be hyperpolitical.
It has to be an objective telling of the story.
It has to be based on evidence.
So let me look into it, right?
And ironically, in the beginning of the pandemic, an Academy Award-winning actor who is a very, very big actor was doing a project about Fauci, and it was a total puff piece, and I was attached to direct it.
And this is 2020, April 2020, when he's just kind of on the news all day for the first time.
And it was about his history of, you know, in the AIDS pandemic in Africa, specifically during the Bush-Cheney administration, and how he had Bush and Condoleezza Rice had wanted to stop the AIDS pandemic in Africa.
Bono was involved.
It was a very Christian, sort of compassionate conservatism.
They believed that billions of people would die.
And Fauci was the hero.
On the outside.
But in many ways, it was a metaphor because he never did work on the ground.
He never did the hard work.
He was never in Africa, you know, treating people.
He's not really ever been a clinical doctor in a doctor's office or in a hospital.
And in many ways, he's been a career politician and a bureaucrat and someone who took credit for everyone else's hard work.
And if and that's saying it lightly.
But So it was totally ironic.
You know, I was attached to direct this film in a parallel universe.
I directed a movie about Fauci that was, you know, sympathetic to him and was great.
But in this universe, I didn't direct that film.
I went on to do several others during the pandemic.
And now I was being contacted to investigate him.
And I'm a very open-minded person.
I said, look, I do believe that this is totally...
Fucked up.
Whatever happened is not right.
Let me look at the evidence because I'm not going to make anything that's a witch hunt or just bashing this guy.
I need to know that I can tell a story that's subjective and one that feels like it's investigative and like a true crime and something that people would find entertaining on both sides of this issue.
Something people would be able to access on both sides of this issue.
And that three hours that I'm referring to was the first three hours that I used my critical investigative tools to see that there were 300,000 pages of evidence that had existed for almost two years by that point, and that I had lived in a world where they didn't exist.
My algorithm on social media, the newspapers I choose to believe in, you know, the New York Times, the Washington Post, all this stuff, they didn't cover this.
And this was arguably the biggest story of our time.
And at that point, I had a sinking feeling as a quote, informed person, as a quote, radical, as someone who's supposed to investigate everything, that I was just another sucker.
And for two years, I had believed.
Whatever I was told, even though I don't believe anything, I was not aware of how actively I'd been manipulated.
And I think that really drove me to dive in.
And I started emailing the guy and telling him about my work and how I was attached to direct a film about him.
And now I'm doing this COVID thing and investigating it.
And there's some discrepancies, Dr. Fauci.
I'd love to know more about...
You know, this, that, and the third.
And we went back and forth.
And in the meantime, I found this whole community that had been investigating this from day one.
I'm not breaking this story.
What I'm doing is bringing together these brave voices, all of whom are reputable doctors, scientists, intelligence analysts, former government officials, the CDC director at the time of the pandemic, and just highlighting.
The absolutely staggering amount of evidence and the chilling facts that underscore the story and that were available to the press on day one, including Fauci's history, which is not new.
The guy has been controversial for 30 years.
And all of a sudden, the media has amnesia about that.
And we live in a world where we can't tell a story more than 15 seconds on the news.
And you certainly can't tell a story that's critical of the pharmaceutical industry because they're the biggest advertiser.
So, you know, I'm just bringing this to the surface.
I'm not the one breaking it.
I'm just someone who's brought it together and digested it for the global public so that we can actually take this seriously and understand the implications.
The story that you're referring to, presumably then, is that there's long been evidence that there's...
That there was a bioweapons program that DARPA had invested in Wuhan that Fauci actively repressed the research and revelation of the lab leak theory, that American money has been spent in that lab in Wuhan, that it's impossible or near impossible that a virus could evolve.
...in that way outside of a laboratory because there's a molecular signature that makes that impossible, that the vaccines themselves were not significantly or sufficiently clinically trialed, that there were lies about their potential impact on...
Pregnant women, their effectiveness and necessity on children, the way that the pandemic lockdown could or should have been handled, whether or not you vaccinate during a pandemic or for stop, the correct utilisation of mRNA technology and how to deploy that, even the use of the word vaccine, all things that were, as you say, available to us, notably through the work of Bobby Kennedy, who in some near miracle...
He now finds himself the head of the largest governmental department in the world, the HHS, and that's got to be seen as a significant move forward.
So when you're talking about the contributors to your film, JNR, how do you tell the story?
Do you talk to Marty Makkari, Bhattacharya, are you talking to people that are now again in government?
They're all in the movie.
Yeah, they're all in the movie.
And so that is what's crazy is a year ago, when I was in the middle of bringing this to the surface, these were people who had been exiled, alienated, discredited.
I know Bobby, I've sat with Bobby, really great person dedicated to protecting the public, obviously politically manipulated on the news for the advantage of many different...
Forces that do not want him to accomplish what he is intending to do, which is to actually create safety nets for us and our food and our medicines and vaccines.
You're right.
The term anti-vax takes on the same sort of heiress terrorist or communist.
It's these buzzwords in American society that are used to immediately communicate.
That you were on the wrong side or that you're one of us.
And in this case, what's so ironic is that in, you know, around 9-11, you know, the real nexus of evil for me in my investigative work was the Bush administration.
And that was...
Really the moment that Fauci got more power than he's ever had in his life.
People think he's a progressive or a liberal.
He couldn't be further from those things.
He was put in a position of unchecked power after 9-11 by Dick Cheney after the anthrax attacks, which were a false flag terrorist attack.
They were, you know, Cheney used the excuse that it was potentially Al-Qaeda.
Saddam Hussein had anthrax, that there were weapons of mass destruction.
Well, it turns out that it was a biodefense researcher at Fort Detrick, which is pretty much the Main campus of bioweapons for the armed forces in the United States.
And this man allegedly was concerned about biodefense research, and so he staged a hoax and sent this anthrax around to the press and to politicians.
Well, we didn't know about that.
Until 2008, when Cheney and Bush were headed out of office, so at the end of their administration, this bombshell comes out.
And this man, Bruce Ivins, now arrested and facing a trial as someone who staged this, starts speaking out that the story couldn't be further from the truth, that he didn't act alone.
And at the moment...
When Congress, members of our Congress begin to accept the fact that he may not have acted alone, which means that there could have been a larger conspiracy to leak this anthrax in order to basically change regulation, culture, funding, authority for biodefense.
This man, Bruce Ivins, around that moment in time in 2008, he dies.
And it is called a suicide.
And the method of suicide is Tylenol.
So we're asked to believe that a senior biodefense researcher, a talented scientist, would choose to overdose on Tylenol at the very moment that he's claiming that he did not act alone in the story that the government is releasing is not the one.
So why is that relevant?
Because when that fake terrorist attack happened, Anthony Fauci Was put in a position of unchecked power.
And Dick Cheney took biodefense out of the Pentagon and the Defense Department, where it was heavily regulated, where there was all this compliance review to make sure you weren't violating the Bioweapons Treaty from the 70s.
And he put it in this totally innocuous health institute.
In the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, where a career bureaucrat, who by that point was probably, even then, in the turn of the century, one of the most powerful people in the entire HHS system because he had so much seniority, he, at that moment, got unchecked power.
Billions of dollars.
Clearance.
High security clearance.
A line directly to the White House.
And they were doing advanced vaccine research and stockpiling under the lie that we had been attacked by a terrorist who sent anthrax to politicians.
And if you read Anthony Fauci's book...
Which is in my film.
I actually get his audio book.
I get the reading of his book.
He does not mention once that the anthrax attack was a false flag, lab origin, United States government attack.
And he spends a good deal of time talking about how it was not a terrorist attack and how it was not.
A false flag and that it was actually a terrorist attack and that he was valiantly trying to protect the public from the risk of these terrorist attacks.
So you literally could look at everything that this man comments about his legacy and there is a flip side to the story and it's one of deception.
It's one of high levels of bureaucratic manipulation and of very dark and sinister Interests that in many ways we're now beginning to see are bigger than nation states.
This is not patriotic.
These are companies that have interests across many nations around the country and that conspire for power within our government in what's called the deep state, which was...
Originally a leftist term, you know, the idea that all of our agencies are captured by these corporations and that really these these agencies by, you know, these corporations by way of these agencies like HHS, you know, which has the FDA, the CDC, the NIH, you know, this massive blob.
of a bureaucracy, that the corporations are, in effect, more powerful than the president, the country itself, the Congress, and that we know enough to know that Congress is completely ineffective.
Most of the members of Congress are leveraged by lobbyists, you know, either through just money and perks or straight contramat and blackmail, which is a known thing.
You know, Epstein, you know, that's a chapter of it.
But on the flip side, the Republicans had their own system, which broke in the 80s called the Franklin Files, where they were exploiting closeted homosexual legislators, and they were blackmailing them and forming lobbying companies through blackmail tapes.
So that's the American government, right?
And so when the American government tells you to do something, you should pretty much consider that The opposite is your best interest and that, in effect, what you're being demanded to do or mandated to do is to ingratiate a very, you know, morally bankrupt corporation.
And so that's who Anthony Fauci really is.
He's not a scientist.
He's not America's scientist or doctor.
He's not a hero.
He's a bag man for some very evil people.
Got a lot of things to pick up on.
If we think about how the media initially presented Anthony Fauci, not only it was not neutral, it was an extremely propagandistic, highly editorialized perspective, almost as heavily editorialized as the highly editorialized perspective, almost as heavily editorialized as the example you give from his own self-read home.
Of not mentioning an entire perspective.
Now, the kind of rupture that appears when you see not only a kind of living hagiography of Fauci play out across late night talk shows, emblazoning pins and t-shirts and banners, and that kind emblazoning pins and t-shirts and banners, and that kind of particular jocularity that disgusts me.
is it okay to find Annie Fauci sexy?
That was the bit where I was like, you know, I'm so grateful, man, that I suppose ultimately, My dislike of establishment power is probably, well, ultimately spiritual, but more perhaps germanely psychological and then political.
So like me, because I don't trust authority...
Like, that was the first thing it hit in me, is why are we being told all of this so enthusiastically?
This doesn't seem right.
And by the time it got to the sort of the...
...kick line of syringes with Colbert, and Colbert will go out to bat hard against Bobby Kennedy.
It starts to make you realise that we're living in this sort of extraordinarily inverted culture, where someone, by all accounts, who is not neutral, but I don't want to be reductive because he's a child of the Lord, etc., but someone who is...
Villainous, like Fauci, is portrayed as heroic, and someone who's heroic, like Bobby Kennedy, is portrayed as villainous.
Where might we go now with a whole host and raft of other stories that are attributed to the same space that we now have sketched out and recognised?
Now, on that point, you said right at the beginning that the terrorism paradigm was ultimately used to strip civil liberties, and the COVID paradigm...
Now, I wonder how long we can continue to regard them as civil liberties, you know, like to sort of dance around some of George Carlin's analysis, who would say, where do you get these rights from?
Where are these inalienable rights coming from?
Who could ever grant anybody rights?
What is the sovereign force?
It's an irrefutable, universal principle that no one can deny, that means that human life is sacred, for example, or that we ought to revere nature, not because it's a resource, but because we're part of it and have a role to play with it.
I wonder, Jenna, now that you've sort of, like, and I recognise you've got another part coming out for your film, and I'll be excited to see that too.
When you, like, you mentioned Epstein, but do you start thinking, well, what do you think's going on with the, you know, suicide, the suicide of, was it Bruce Ivins?
Do you start to think, wow, well I wonder what the truth is with, say, the Clinton kill list?
And I wonder what the truth is when it comes to some of Assange's reporting?
Do you start to feel a kind of an unbridled embrace that, oh my god, all of this stuff is potentially open?
And when, right, and I'm saying this because of what you declared about yourself culturally at the beginning, i.e.
of the left.
When and where do you look at, say, David Icke and Alex Jones and say, well, where do I not go that they have gone?
Where do I not go that they have gone, given that basically everything we've said so far, David Icke or Alex Jones would have told us, like, in 1980. Right, but they also have said a lot of other things, right?
And so, in this world...
You can't trust anything.
In fact, I will tell anyone listening or watching this, do not trust me.
Challenge me.
Level an allegation that I am doing the work of some evil party to mislead you.
And then stumble upon the truth that you find.
That has merit.
And let's talk once you've done that.
I'm willing for anyone, especially people who come from the left or who are part of the Democratic Party, to challenge this narrative and act as if I was funded by a super pact, which I was not.
And we live in a world right now where you mentioned these people, you know, shock jocks and for all of time and people who really actually Sometimes touch on these nerves that are highly factual and are really transmitting truth about some very hard topics.
We live in a world where our intelligence service utilizes this format to create chaos and information.
And there is so much information now that it is almost part of our human behavior.
That we would have to emotionally evaluate this information as if it is coming from a stranger or an enemy or if it's coming from a friend or an ally.
And it is in that space that intelligence agencies, the great, evil, powerful forces that want to abuse the regular people, that they do their best work.
Because the fact that there is so much information out there...
And the fact that there's so much misinformation about COVID specifically or about anything else, fill in the blank, that someone, a regular person, is overwhelmed by that and will make an emotional decision about the information they're going to consume.
They will choose to follow these 3 or 4, 10, 15, 150 people.
Their algorithm will be created.
They will watch this station.
And therein lies the real dirty work because all of that.
Is part of the game theory that exists at the very top.
And I don't mean the top of our government.
I don't mean the president of the United States.
I mean the folks that are more powerful than the president of the United States and the United Nations and any president of any country.
The folks who use information to keep us divided, to keep us siloed, to keep us afraid.
To keep us suffering from cognitive dissonance, that when we're faced with a truth, that we have been conditioned to accept a reality so different from that, that we feel viscerally affected by it.
We feel angry.
We want to hurt the person giving us that truth.
We don't want to believe them.
We actually want to go against our own interests to believe the lies of Multi-billion dollar, if not trillion dollar corporate interests that have routinely abused and killed the poor.
And this is the story of America from day one.
And that is, again, part of our amnesia as a country here in America.
I consider myself a patriot.
The reason why is because I think in this melting pot, my family's all immigrants.
They all suffered to come here.
But there's levels, right?
There's that intersectionality of America where there's always a group that was more oppressed until you get...
Of course, to African slaves, and Native Americans, which is the great creation myth of our country, is all that bloodshed.
But what people don't know is that there was a time when there were white slaves and black slaves, and that essentially...
There was a moment in history called Bacon's Rebellion.
I think it is the most telling story in American history.
It was in the late 1700s.
Actually, I think it was the late 1600s, excuse me.
And this colonialist was upset with the British.
No offense, Russell.
And he was upset.
He was very, very...
That was a horrible joke.
Please edit that out.
So he mobilized these poor...
White and black slaves.
And they took over a town for years as a militia.
And the plantation class was so horrified by the reality that these poor disenfranchised people, these slaves who they relied on, the free labor that they relied on to build their industries, the free labor that built this country, they were so horrified that they intervened.
And I don't think it was a master cobbler conspiracy.
It was almost like just gravity, like the force of nature, like the way things go when there's this much of a gap in the have and the have nots.
And they created chattel slavery.
And they told poor white people that they were better than black people no matter what.
When the reality is that poor people have more in common.
99% of people on the planet have more in common with each other than they do with that fraction of a percentage.
And that fraction of a percentage...
It thrives off that 99% of people who actually have common interests, who actually share more life experiences in common than that fraction of percentage.
They thrive off dividing the people.
And you can watch in American history, that strategy has been repeated.
Over and over and over again.
It's Jim Crow.
It's the Ku Klux Klan.
It's the Southern strategy.
And then the flip side is, it's the assassination of Martin Luther King, not because he's talking about race, but because he's forming a poor people's movement.
That's when he gets assassinated.
And by the way, James Earl Ray...
Probably did not shoot him and that the FBI was likely involved.
And this Bobby Kennedy, what the fire in his belly is that two of his family members, his father was assassinated, you know, likely by with the cooperation of the United States government.
And so was his uncle potentially.
And we don't even we haven't even declassified those files yet.
And so if you look at the story of America and why I consider myself a patriot is because.
At least I'm here talking about it, right?
We have enough freedoms that I can be on your podcast.
And yeah, I can worry about being killed or doing things.
But you know, it comes back to that point I said before.
People are more likely to mislead me and get me to publish false information than they are to kill me.
The people who get killed are the people who are sitting on whistleblowers and people who have the cure for cancer or AIDS or the lone reporter in a town down south.
People like me don't get killed.
They get manipulated.
And so who knows what Alex Jones, his back channels have been over the years, but he would certainly be a perfect person to manipulate if you were trying to create misinformation or you're trying to confuse people.
And that's no disrespect to him or his platform.
I just mean that we cannot trust anything anymore because the game theory at the top is so evolved and so sophisticated that every single thing can be used in a way to benefit.
The bad actors.
Think about this, that all these people committed these frauds and crimes, the pharmaceutical industry, the United States government, our intelligence service, our military, Anthony Fauci, big science across multiple other countries as well.
And those bad actors, it was win-win for them.
We live in a world where it's lose-lose for 99% of people, no matter how you cut it, and win-win for that fraction of percentage, no matter how you cut it.
It's win-win because the game theory and the way they benefit even from chaos, the way they benefit even from crime and fraud and murder is so defined and so predictable that it's going to happen again.
And if we don't think another man-made pandemic is coming after this one, we are so fucking asleep.
Because if they made this much money and they got that much social control, and when I say they, a big blob, amorphous hydra that you can't kill, if they...
If it was so successful for them, we better believe it's going to happen again, and we better fight like hell to prevent it, because it's going to be far worse than the last time.
The reason I brought up Alex Jones and David Icke is because in addition to their contributions when it comes to institutional corruption and how that likely has a global component, that these various institutions, whether they're commercial or state, are transcendent of nation.
And therefore transcendent of democratic reach is because both of them have an esoteric component to their analysis.
They don't just talk about the movement of power and the movement of money and the influence through lobbying and donations and think tanks and the Atlantic Council and the various manoeuvres that could occur within state institutions.
Neither do they stop short of the analysis that you could find through Chomsky, among others, that...
Crises are beneficial to institutions of power.
Why I think that the pandemic was such a clarifying time, the analysis that you could apply to the pandemic, you can equally apply to terrorism, or you can apply to war, or to a variety of ideas.
Climate change.
Hey, go right back to climate change.
You can apply it.
We're going to lose civil liberties from that.
Indeed.
Precisely.
It was such a clarifying time because we saw in concentration, concurrence, and in a relatively short period of time, how the same crisis was beneficial to various sets of interests.
What I would further contest is that these interests, in addition...
To the perspicacious reporting offered by those somewhat shamanic figures, I reckon it's helpful to look at them as somewhat shamanic, because as Whitney Webb said to me some time ago, Much of what Alex Jones says is difficult to corroborate.
It was the lovely journalistic phrase that I rather enjoyed from Whitney Webb.
But continually and intuitively, Ike would say that there is evidence, and perhaps so would Alex Jones, but they continually refer to an occultist dimension.
Now the reason that interests me, Jenna, is because...
When we're talking about sort of game theory and chaos, the manipulation of information and the benefits engendered to the powerful through crisis and therefore the likelihood that crisis itself becomes generated in order to benefit from the control that it affords, what's difficult is where do we look to for some kind of authority, as you said, of yourself?
Why would anyone trust you or me or anyone over anyone else?
We're all human beings, we're all flawed, we're all fallible, we're all prone to the same kind of manipulation.
You know, when I see sort of baroque and incursive critiques of Elon Musk, I think, well, how would you get on if you were granted that much power?
And the reason that I know that is because I've seen how people have sort of criticized me, both through influence and indeed through the way I behaved when I was a sort of, you know, operating within, let's call it a different power structure with different rewards.
What I feel now, and what I've been shown now, is that we have a requirement for absolute authority, and you cannot get Absolute authority via any human system.
You can get consensus, which is a kind of authority, I suppose, if there's ten people in a room and all ten people agree how to divide up food or open the window or how to resist assailants.
I suppose that's a kind of authority.
But that authority is kind of based on majority and presupposes that a majority couldn't be wrong.
And we know from the same history that we're loosely discussing here that The majority is often wrong, just to use the example that you used.
The majority was perfectly fine with slavery for the vast majority of human history, and for a significant portion of that time it was not sort of racially determined, but just determined by the convenience of who the people were that were available to enslave.
And the narratives that grow out of these things are usually convenient in their own way too.
So I suppose that's my way of saying that since surrendering, I've lost none of the power granted by the aspect of the left that's correctly focused on fraternity, solidarity.
Kindness, service, the interests of the poor, because, you know, there's quite a lot of talk in Christianity about the interests of the poor, of children and widows.
There's quite a lot of talk in Christianity about our shared human family.
There's quite a lot of talk in Christianity about how every individual has access to God and that it needn't and oughtn't be institutionalized.
Now, any sort of Christian who's been doing it for 10 months, and that's about how long I've been doing it, will...
We'll recognise that Christian institutions themselves are hardly immune to exploitation, and a Christian narrative, like any narrative, could be exploited.
But without God, without God, and that's the real problem of globalism, and globalism was what was exposed, I would say, in the main during the COVID period, i.e.
there are sets of economic, commercial, and state, and bureaucratic interests that co-align, coalesce, and have a shared agenda.
That are not only about dominion, profit and finance, but ultimately about control, or as you put it, strip civil liberties.
If individuals have no individual or shared power, then what is there to resist this ongoing, encroaching globalist force?
And what is primarily necessary for globalism to succeed?
Is the imposition of the idea that there is no moral authority transcendent of mankind.
There isn't.
You can make claims that nature or Gaia has a kind of authority or the cosmos or the Big Bang.
So I wonder why you feel there might be an occultist component to many of these stories when you keep looking at them and adrenochrome.
How long before you do a documentary where it's about adrenochrome and why are all these children going missing and what's going on?
So I just wonder where you think, like, ultimately we're going to need a moral authority.
So where do you go and where do you get to with that particular strand?
Because to make a film about Anthony Fauci, you have to say there's such a thing as good and there's such a thing as evil.
And where do we derive those terms from if we don't have a kind of a spiritual, religious, if not Christian perspective?
Well, I consider myself a spiritualist.
You know, I've read a lot of texts.
Christ's words.
I know what he said and did as best I can from Matthew or Paul.
But, you know, the rest of it, I think, is an example of what you pointed out with our sort of more unfortunate human instinct.
In fact, even blind worship of Christ legalistically.
Is the same as a shamanistic or sort of a cult following that you would see for celebrities or the iconography or the idolatry that Moses was upset about at the bottom of the mountain.
You know, this is human nature.
And we have two aspects of our human nature, good and bad.
And instead of thinking evil and good, I think usually sick and well, right?
There's a lot of sick people.
That's something that helps me and my humanistic view of things.
But there is a great deal of evil.
And humans can do great evil.
And in fact, where the greatest evil can be done is not in...
The lone killer on the loose, because actually, as humans, we have a pretty good system for that.
The community would normally, I guess, like 50,000 years ago, 75,000 years ago, we'd band together and hit the guy with a fucking rock.
But nowadays, excuse my language, but nowadays, we have a situation here where...
Actually, our most morally corrupt, our greatest evil, is in the pursuit of global power, is in the conquest of a power yet greater than the one we fathomed before.
And that part of human instinct, the formation of governments based on lies and myths, seeking power at that level, seeking wealth at a level a million times more than any of your descendants could ever enjoy.
Right?
That that is the evil in our hearts, in our heads, that is probably greater than the rapist, the killer, the serial killer even.
I mean, there's almost a communal evil, right?
And on the flip side, our goodness.
Is in our ability to recognize each other when in the same room, when in the same community, two people sworn enemies on the internet or politically can usually sit down and have dinner together or talk about their issues.
And after enough time, they usually strike common ground.
Because as I said, 99% of the people are essentially powerless.
And I don't mean just in America, on the planet.
99% of people living on planet Earth right now.
Are relatively objectively powerless.
And so if we speak for long enough, we're going to strike some common ground in that area.
So that is the beauty of our human instinct, is that we have a heart.
And true Christianity and spiritualism is about love and compassion.
But that can easily be twisted here on Zoom, on social media.
In fact, you know, our human frailty.
And so what is happening in society is that we are being siloed more and more and encouraged to silo, encouraged to find our family, our chosen family on the internet, through our followers, through our beliefs, through the podcasts that we listen to.
And we're being conditioned not to talk to a stranger at a coffee shop or to roll our window down and look a homeless person in the eye.
and offer them what you can offer them and that Is the part of our human nature that is the part that you can never take away.
And so my response to you, and where do we go with all this?
What do we do?
It's always going to be about community.
It's always going to be about what you can touch and reach with your arm, with your car, how far you can drive in your community and have an effect.
Because the global myth that we are meant to consume the news and know what's happening in the world, it is a complete fallacy.
The human brain is not meant to conceive the pain of the world and the impact of governments.
The human brain is not even capable of conceiving the American government, And yet we vote on it every two years and every four years in a great big spectacle when it is not our instinct to even fathom that grinding machine.
And that if we looked at it close enough, we'd be so horrified that we would want nothing to do with it.
Yet we pander about these political concepts and who's our party and who's our guy because that team sport mentality that's siloing the public is exactly what makes that evil thrive on a global scale.
So my response to it is, go and touch the people in your community.
Be willing to have a conversation.
Talk to people again.
Be in the same room.
Because whatever happened with COVID, there was a lot of death.
There was a lot of destruction.
There was a lot of profit.
There was a lot of transfer of wealth.
But one of the most tragic things that happened is we are accustomed and we are at peace with living life like this in a series of boxes using technology that many people have enjoyed the comfort of it.
And we forgot what it is to go out and speak with another human being, shake their hand, give them a hug.
Know what it is to feel in your body the effect of being with another human being because that is our nature and this is not our nature.
And so this is being manipulated to divide us.
And so I don't have the answer.
All I know is that I do give comfort to people like you do in all of your movies that when you're upset after a hard day's work or you're alone or you want answers, people turn my documentaries on or they turn your movies on.
And so that's my act of service is just somehow bringing morality to that platform, which is still entertainment and people are consuming it and wanting to escape, but at the same time, leave better than when they came in.
And I believe if you watch this movie, you'll be better than you came in.
We can watch Thank You, Dr. Fauci by Jenna first.
Tell us what the platform is, mate, that it's on.
Because I know that you're working with our friend Tucker.
Yeah, you know, all my films have been on big, major streamers.
And this is the first film that I did completely differently.
I did completely independently.
My studio put the money in.
And I do believe that we've come to a point where this will be on Netflix or Amazon and we're in those talks.
But we chose to release it and preview it completely independently because the censorship is so extreme.
With this subject that we felt like there could have been a catch and kill.
It could have been taken off.
So we put it on our website, which is highly secure.
And it started to go viral and get a grassroots following.
And now Tucker Carlson, who, you know, historically, I would have looked at someone like Tucker Carlson as my enemy, right?
I grew up, like I said, in 9-11 and, you know, in many, we hit Fox News, all this stuff.
But when I sit with Tucker and we have these conversations, lo and behold, you know.
We're having an informed conversation with a sense of commonality, and that is the dialogue that I want to foster.
And so he was very gracious in offering Tucker Carlson Network, his platform, as a way to expand the awareness about this film as it previews and gets ready to be on a major streamer, because this is the type of film that People don't want you to see.
And so I'm very grateful for that support.
And so viewers now can go to Tucker Carlson Network and watch it there.
And that's the best place to see it nowadays.
You better put it on Facebook before long, mate.
The world is changing fast.
You're just about to upload it.
Mark Zuckerberg will do an intro for it.
I don't know who this Anthony Fauci guy is.
I've never met him.
I've never written letters to him.
But you're going to love this film.
Thank you, Dr. Fauci.
And thank you, mate.
I appreciate, Jenna, you making the time to come on our show and your excellent work in making this documentary and some of the other films as well.
A real set of very interesting and important topics you've covered, not least the opioid crisis.
I mean, the firefest was a little bit more fun, but I'm really excited that you made time to come on here.
Jenna, thanks, man.
Thank you, Russell.
It was a great conversation.
I appreciate it.
Well, thank you so much for joining us.
We've got a brilliant week coming up.
Our new show, Oracles, with Neil Oliver and Lara Logan, will be on this Thursday, where we'll be rounding up the week's news.
I'll be streaming live tomorrow.
Be sure to join us for that.
And Wednesday as well.
And next week, Jeremy Corbell's coming on the show on Monday to talk to us about UFOs and drones and what the...
What's going on in the sky?
What is all of this?
What is the truth?
Can you handle the truth?
Oh, probably not.
I don't know.
See you tomorrow.
Not for more of the same, but for more of the different.
Until then, if you can, stay free.
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