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June 13, 2024 - Stay Free - Russel Brand
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Gina Carano SPEAKS OUT About Disney FIRING & Lawsuit with Elon Musk
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Hey, hello there, you Awakening Wanderers.
Thanks for joining us for our live stream.
Russell in residence from Rumble.
Wherever you're watching us right now, we'll be available widely for 15 minutes, then we'll be exclusively available in that sweet stream of freedom called Rumble, facilitated by the great team here that includes Isaac, that even now is just Mending a monitor to ensure that we can produce this content to the standard that you deserve.
In the rumble chat I'm looking at Trucker Hershey.
It's going to take 8 to 12 years to fix America, he says.
A lot of people are talking about Bobby Kennedy and the concept of voting for the lesser of two evils and whether or not Kennedy's family background.
Oh look, some people, look, he's a commie.
But I happen to know Bobby Kennedy and he's a pretty lovely man, as a matter of fact.
But today we're talking about Trump And Biden and lawfare versus warfare and whether or not we can trust any of our judicial institutions is of course in light of the Merrick Garland story, the refusal to hand over the audio that may demonstrate or contain new information about Biden and those clandestine secret classified boxes that he had.
And it's weird, isn't it?
Because there's these pairings, these partners now.
Trump had boxes.
Biden had boxes.
Bannon refused a subpoena?
Merrick Garland refused a subpoena?
Bannon is going to jail?
Will Merrick Garland go to jail?
Can we rely on the judiciary to be an objective system that objectively looks at situations and blindly judges right from wrong or will it end up being a weapon of whoever is in power?
That's what we're talking about.
Do people use prisons now as a kind of weapon?
I remember when it was controversial just that they made agent provocateur bras in there or number plates or whatever like should they be being paid?
Is this a kind of rebooting of slavery?
But now jail is a weapon.
Now for the first 15 minutes we're going to be having a little bit of fun talking about that stuff but then my god what treat we got for you!
Gina Carano!
Resh from her own lawsuit against the Disney corporation where you see a powerful entity like think what Disney used to mean Mickey Mouse that was it Mickey Mouse everything was so joyful like maybe a printer Stuff like that.
Now, Disney, well, you know, everyone's got to be trapped.
I don't know what culture means anymore, do you?
I don't know.
Where are we going to get the values that are required for us to navigate this territory?
Personally, as you know, I've turned to Christianity.
You'll be on your own journey, of course.
I'm not here to evangelize.
Not yet.
Not yet.
I'm still in a very much in a learning phase, but certainly we need some values that are coming from outside of our culture, because our culture is about conflict, vendetta and vengeance.
Throughout today's conversation, before we get to the brilliant and beautiful Gina Carano, you'll see hypocrisy and corruption.
One side talking about free speech, but not respecting free speech.
The other side using the judiciary and lawfare, but not respecting the principles that they're supposed to be protecting and supporting.
Certainly politics has changed.
Certainly you lot think that Merrick Garland should go to jail if Steve Bannon does.
Bannon is happy with his martyrdom position and I say that the whole beast of politics is altering because think about about tell me what impact this has if you're watching this in the rumble chat Let me know.
666 is in the Disney logo, says Freegan.
Simple as that.
Let me know.
The empty tomb changes everything.
The empty tomb does change everything.
Listen.
Listen.
Let me know what you feel, guys.
Whoever you're watching this in YouTube, remember to subscribe.
Remember that in a minute, before we get to Gina Carano, you're going to have to come over to Rumble to see Gina Carano.
It's a brilliant conversation.
She talks about Elon Musk supporting her.
She talks about how it feels to be under that degree of pressure.
She talks about being followed and stuff.
And what it's like to be cancelled.
Yeah, I know what that's like as well, being through that stuff.
But like, it's a really great conversation.
You'll love it.
You'll have to join us on Rumble though for that.
And you Awakened Wonders, like Lily Farm Girl and Claude, you've already got access to that conversation with Gina Carano.
Plus, you'll get access to our conversation live with my man, Jonathan Rumi, who plays our Lord and Saviour in The Chosen.
That's coming up soon.
Plus, I'll be talking to Alex Jones a little later today.
And those of you that are Awakened Wonders, you will get access to that conversation first.
Alex Jones, how long can he evade the war?
How long can he evade the attempts to jail absolutely everybody that speaks out openly?
Everyone in the end gets... they come for you in the end, don't they?
With this lawfare condemnation cancellation.
Fancy shirt, Russell, says Sherry back.
Okay, let's have a look at... let's have a look how the political landscape is shifting or at least the
clear the cultural landscape is shifting and tell me the feeling you get when you see
This does this make you realize that hmm things are changing things are changing
Who broke first in your opinion there Who broke first?
Did Logan break first or did your man Donald Trump break first?
In a minute we're going to be talking about the ongoing left-right lawfare, the ongoing legacy media lawfare, the ongoing attempt to jail dissenters.
For a minute I just want to give you this from my country.
The next prime minister of our country is presumed to be Keir Starmer.
Now here is Keir Starmer talking about whether he prefers nation over globalist bureaucracy.
Check it out.
This is from a few months ago, I think.
I'll get verification from that from you lot in the chat.
I know you might not care about politics in Britain, but we, the British, do care.
You see those two flags?
They don't run.
Neither of them run.
In fact, they blend into each other quite nicely.
Remember the language you speak.
Remember where it came from, baby.
Here is Keir Starmer, globalist, saying that he will serve Davos ahead of Parliament.
That's our version of Congress.
Have a look.
Let us just ask you quickly, you have to choose now between Davos or Westminster?
Davos.
Why?
Because Westminster is too constrained and you know it's closed and we're not having meaning.
Once you get out of Westminster, whether it's Davos or anywhere else, you actually engage with people that you can see working with in the future.
Westminster is just a tribal shouting place.
Law!
What is it good for?
Jailing your opponents, say it again.
Now if Merrick Garland can back a subpoena, how come Steve Bannon can't back the subpoena around Jan 6?
Is the law an objective force or is the law simply a weapon of the establishment?
Let me know what you think about that in the Rumble chat.
Ginger277 and Mally J and Kyle Rhino, all of you let me know.
If you're watching us on YouTube, we're going to be there for a few more minutes.
But the Gina Carano interview in which she talks about Elon Musk support her own war through lawfare with Disney, all of that stuff and woke culture and what its values are, all that will be exclusively on Rumble.
And of course, you could have been with us for that by becoming an awakened wonder.
Now, let's get to this story.
If you watch CNN talking about Merrick Garland being subpoenaed in order to gain access to these tapes of Biden talking about his own classified documents and why he had them in boxes wherever he had them, do you remember when Trump went, my boxes they were in Mar-a-Lago, his were in a garage, it was disgusting, Let's have a look now at CNN covering this story.
And it's very weird to try to discern right from wrong here, because the outrage of the anchor is clearly contingent on the target of the IR.
There's no objectivity here.
For example, if you swap the name Merrick Garland for Steve Bannon, everything will go all wonky.
Watch this.
This news just breaking on Capitol Hill.
The GOP-led House of Representatives has just voted to hold Attorney General Merrick Garland in contempt of Congress for refusing to hand over audio tapes of special counsel Robert Herr's interview with President Joe Biden in his investigation over President Biden's handling of classified documents.
The House is in possession of that transcript and has been for a long time.
Andrew Weissman, it feels like every day we have When she says the perversion of the rule of law she doesn't mean conflating misdemeanors into felonies or bundling together a whole bunch of various misdemeanors in order to create one or altering the law specifically it seems in order to be able to
Prosecute Trump or the jailing of Steve Bannon for something that seems comparable to what's happening here with Merrick Garland or the fact that Hillary Clinton isn't being prosecuted for the Steele dossier which would amount to a similar misappropriation of campaign funds for political purposes.
Do you see that we need something transcendent?
Do you see that we need something else?
Do you see that we need to get beyond these institutions and these systems of corruption?
Do you see that we need new values?
Where are those values going to come from?
Let me know In the chat, Gina Carano is coming up.
We'll be talking about her own law fair, as well as a brilliant vision she describes.
That's just for you, AwakendWonders, by the way.
It's a fantastic hour-long chat.
25 minutes of that chat is going to be just available for you, AwakendWonders, on Locals, where she talks about this incredible vision.
And I talk for a while about my baptism, and we both talk about The incredible contribution of Bear Grylls.
So if you're watching this on YouTube, remember to subscribe to the channel, but click that link in the description and get on over to Rumble where we can speak freely like Sniki talking about Thomas Massie and the Apex.
Yeah, we'll be covering that later in the week.
We'll be covering that.
Don't worry about that.
I'm tight with Tucker.
You know me, baby.
I'm tight.
I'm doing Tucker's show, aren't I, soon in September in Phoenix or somewhere now.
Look, here's Steve Bannon.
Steve Bannon, who ultimately is another subpoenaed denier, but one that we'll be looking at jail time.
He's been sentenced to that.
But Steve Bannon, who wears, is a man who can wear his martyrdom well.
Here he is with Tucker Carlson saying, you'll never take me.
I don't bat an eye.
It's impossible.
They will never break me.
Ever.
And I quite frankly will be just as proud to serve my nation as a political prisoner in a federal prison for a misdemeanor by Nancy Pelosi as I was to serve my nation on that destroyer.
When he was in the Navy, he's talking about that he's the duty of a patriot to go to jail.
Donald Trump has said a similar thing.
Now on the left, many of the most popular pundits and political figures are terrified themselves that they'll be jailed.
Maddow, I'll be flung in jail!
AOC, I'll be flung in jail!
Hillary Clinton, she never says stuff like that.
She don't want to tempt fate, does she?
Dear Hillary there.
But what's interesting is while they have their own hysterical concerns about incarceration, they never acknowledge the fact that they, or at least their party, their movement, is utilizing lawfare and the threat of imprisonment and actual imprisonment and actual criminal convictions with incredible pace and speed.
Here's Rachel Maddow, or here's a story of Rachel Maddow saying that the migration camps
that she says will be built will ultimately be used for political enemies.
But the problem is, we know that when Trump was in office between 2016 and 2020, he didn't
jail any of his political opponents.
He didn't attempt to pursue Hillary Clinton through the courts.
So it's one thing having your audience and your supporters chanting, lock her up, lock
And it's another thing to change the law in New York State, bundle together a bunch of misdemeanors and create and concoct an actual criminal conviction on that basis.
One thing is words and sounds and the other thing is the use of law, an objective tool made into a piece of weaponry against political opponents.
Which if it was happening in another country, let me know what you think about this in the Awake and Wonder chat, Electric Steve.
If this was happening in another country, you'd think it was crazy.
Stop saying systems and name the wrongdoers and liars, says Tad H. You list them there in the rumble chat.
Use your free speech wisely.
If you're watching this on YouTube, we've got Gina Carano coming up soon, talking about, it's an amazing story, the way that Elon Musk came to support her.
That man, he moves in shadows.
You're going to want to watch that interview.
It's fantastic.
It's coming up soon.
So Rachel Maddow, is concerned that she will be jailed if Trump comes to office.
We didn't do that last time but I don't know if for some reason he's going to do it this time because he's going to employ more compliant people.
I don't know, let's get into it.
Rachel Maddow says she's worried that Donald Trump returning to the presidency could mean she might wind up in camps intended to house illegal immigrants.
And I don't want to be around those people!
I like sticking up for them on the news, but don't you dare!
Don't you dare put me in a cell with one!
The MSNBC primetime host told CNN on Monday that she was worried about the country broadly if we put someone in power who is openly avowing that he plans to build camps to hold millions of people.
Maddow added, for that matter, what convinces you that these massive camps he's planning are only for migrants?
So yes, I'm worried about me, but only so much as I'm worried about all of us, because I'm a compassionate person.
You could get into the nitty gritty of Joe Biden's history around immigration.
You could get into Joe Biden Mimicking, emulating and plagiarising policies when it comes to the border crossing that have come straight out of the Trump playbook.
You could pause for a moment to say that the problems that the Democrats and the neoliberal establishment have are all a result of their own moral failings, their own virtual signalling instead of virtuous action.
And also AOC says that she's concerned that she could be thrown in jail.
They're all worried about being thrown in jail when the only people that are being thrown in jail are right-wing figures and potentially the president or the former president of the United States himself.
We're going to be on YouTube for another five minutes then after that we'll wrap up this story and then we're going to leave YouTube in a minute And then we will be wrapping up this story and then bringing you our Gina Carano conversation.
We talk about tiny hats, we talk about MMA, we talk about who would win in a fight between me and her.
Let me know in the chat who you think would win in a fight between former MMA champion Gina Carano and me, a person, a mere man, a mere, mere man just doing his best.
Here's AOC threatening that she too will be thrown in jail.
I don't think anyone should be thrown in jail unless there are legitimate convictions of criminal wrongdoing, that the law shouldn't be utilized to jail political opponents.
I mean, we have a word for that.
What happens to you if Donald Trump wins?
What do you do?
What's your first reaction?
I mean, it sounds nuts, but, like, I wouldn't be surprised if this guy threw me in jail.
Really?
He's out of his mind.
I mean, he did his whole first campaign around lock her up.
Like, this is his motto.
A motto is not as bad as a policy and an actual observable tendency to jail your opponents.
Bannon convicted, Trump on continual trial, Hunter Biden used as a kind of make way to What about charisma?
What about the tax?
What about the money to the big guy?
Don't you worry about any of that stuff.
Justice is blind.
Listen, if you're watching this on YouTube, you've got to click the link in the description and join us over on Rumble.
We're going to finish off this story about lawfare and warfare, and we're going to pose you the question, what do you think can get us out of this?
If the institutions have been corrupted and weaponized, what's our journey through?
What's our route through?
Is there a way through this?
Is there a transcendent force that can guide us?
And Does it take Dr. Phil to come up with the ideas that might end this war, bring America together again, and indeed make the whole world great again?
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And you get to join us for some pretty giddy adventures, though we're not going to a gun range.
My wife simply will not permit it.
It's not allowed.
Now, do we have objective justice or do we have justice as a weapon?
And if our institutions that are meant to be representative of the kind of values that would usually be derived from divinity or some kind of connection With God?
Elsewise, what are ethics?
What are morals?
What are they based on?
Where do they come from?
How do you know something's right?
Why shouldn't we just fall backwards into nihilism?
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law, said the satanist Alistair Crowley.
Law means something because it's meant to be derived from principles that themselves come from God or at least some sort of objective universal principle.
When the law is a weapon, it isn't the law No more.
Put that on a t-shirt, baby.
Let's see what AOC's biggest concerns are.
And let's see how she... Let's see how she reaches a popular audience with... Yeah, I did.
My wife won't let me go to a gun range.
Synchronicity 525.
Well, no, she would let me go to a gun range.
She won't let me stream from a gun range.
He didn't say that, you know.
He said he didn't say that.
Yeah, right.
He... I take him at his word.
I take him at his word.
I take... I take him... It's weird, isn't it?
Because language and saying stuff can't be worse than doing stuff.
...his word when he says that he's going to round up people.
I take him at his word when he threatens journalists.
I take him at his word... I feel like what we saw in his first presidency was an amuse-bouche Like, if you want to reach a large audience and show that your finger's on the pulse of real America, the phrase amused bouche is unlikely to achieve that effect.
Amused bouche is a phrase for people for whom the term hors d'oeuvre is considered too hillbilly.
To what his intentions are, he has learned from his mistakes of appointing professionals, and he will not make that mistake next time.
Okay, so a lot of people are terrified that they will find themselves on the wrong end of a jail sentence.
That the systems of justice will be utilized and deployed to jail political opponents.
But you can see that the left are certainly doing that to the right.
And the right, you know, I guess having a go themselves, right?
When it comes to dear old Merrick Garland and his refusal to respond to subpoena.
What kind of principles do we need?
Forgiveness, redemption, salvation.
What we need is someone to be big enough, strong enough, bold enough, moral enough to deploy some proper principles, some proper values.
Otherwise after the election, in the event that Trump wins, you're just going to have the democrat party saying this election was illegitimate, it was Russian interference, He's a maniac, we should jail him, we should turn these institutions against Trump, or vice versa.
You're going to need recourse to something bigger than you, something supreme, something divine, and it's taken Dr. Phil to try to bring up the concept of forgiveness and a set of principles that may, in the words of Michael Jackson, who I find myself quoting increasingly frequently, heal the world and make it a better place.
Here's Dr. Phil trying to explain to Donald Trump The need for forgiveness and to put aside our weapons and come together in the spirit of love and unity.
Retribution is going to be through success.
We're going to make it very successful.
We have to bring the country together.
And you can do that.
You know, because let me tell you this revenge thing.
There's a lot of research and Dr. James Kimmel at Yale has done this research and seen neurologically in the brain that there's an addiction to revenge just like to opioid or whatever and that... Trump likes that bit.
He likes that there's been some research at Yale.
Hmm.
Okay.
Even if people commit a crime and they get arrested for it, they see themselves as the victim and they want revenge against the person that arrested them.
And then the person that arrested them gets hammered.
So now that person says, okay, well, I'm not going to put up with that.
So they go back after the criminal.
Now the criminal has been victimized again.
And so we get into this loop where we're addicted to it back and forth.
It's got to stop.
We're better than this.
We must... Dr. Phil, they're trying to coax Trump down a line of, look, what we can have here is forgiveness.
In the event of a Trump victory, we can build a better America.
We can put aside vengeance.
We can reach for the high ground.
He's not having it, is he?
He's not having it.
and you're big enough to do it.
Every situation needs a hero.
You can stop this.
You can say, no, I can't.
He's not having it, is he?
He's not having it.
That's the first sign that Trump don't like Dr. Bill's forgiveness plan.
It ends here. It ends with me.
I think you'll be proud of the job we do.
And, you know, the word revenge is a very strong word, but maybe we have revenge through success.
But that's what I'd like to see.
I want to see the country survive because this country is not going to survive like this.
And, uh, and really, you know, the expression, I think it's a great greatest theme ever in politics, maybe because it's the biggest movement.
We want to make America great again, and that's what we have.
A lot of people asking how is a criminal a victim?
A criminal can be a victim of social circumstances.
Think about times you've done stuff wrong in your own life.
Indeed, forgiveness.
We all need forgiveness.
We all need it.
In the end we are all going to have to ask for forgiveness.
We have to forgive ourselves for elsewise we are claiming that we are a higher tribunal than the one that has forgiven us.
We are not in a position to condemn and judge anybody else, because were we to be evaluated on the basis of sin, then we would all be condemned.
What Dr. Phil, I feel, is urging is recourse to higher principles, higher values.
If your society and your culture is not built upon divine principle, Then it is ultimately going to be resource-driven.
It's ultimately going to become about power.
But don't take my word for that.
Look at the world.
Look at the news.
Apparently, objective institutions have been weaponized because we are incapable, without some access to the divine, to keep guard of higher principles.
So, extraordinary though it may seem to say it, I love what Dr. Phil's doing here.
He's talking to Trump about turn the other cheek.
Transcend.
Use higher values.
But Trump is very much in the game of political lawfare and warfare because hey that dude has been convicted of felonies which perhaps he would not have been convicted of were his name not Donald Trump.
He ain't coming down the old Dr. Phil path of Christianity just yet.
To do and I think you'll be very proud of the job we did.
You know, the Pope has a book out that he's written.
The Pope, then?
How about the Pope?
And he says, we are all brothers and sisters, and there must be no resentment among us for any war to truly end.
Forgiveness is necessary.
Otherwise, what will follow is not justice but revenge.
And that's true even in the cultural wars that we're fighting here.
I think you have so much to do, you don't have time to get even.
You only have time to get right.
Well, revenge does take time.
Well, revenge is quite good sometimes.
I'll say that.
It does.
And sometimes revenge can be justified, Phil.
I have to be honest.
No.
Justified.
Come on, Phil.
Sometimes it can.
But is the country better or worse for them going after you?
I think the country is really worse for what they've done.
And I think you see that when you look at the poll numbers.
When you see that almost $400 million has poured in since this horrible Decision was made.
That was a few days ago.
Numbers that nobody's ever heard of in politics before.
It's a great honor.
The people of our country get it.
You know, they're very smart.
Taken as a whole, I have to say, they're very smart.
But it's been an honor being with you.
It really has.
And I think you'd be very proud of the job we do.
I don't like this revenge stuff and not having revenge, but it's been an honour.
You're going to be proud.
It's going to be okay.
What we're talking about today is the possibility for real justice.
Where would justice be derived from?
What principles would you have to have?
By what laws would you yourself have to abide to have true justice rather than the weaponisation of institutions?
Remember, we've already seen the full corruption of the legacy media.
We've already seen authorities that claim to care about us being used to control us.
That's what corporate globalism is.
A claim to be the kind of authority that belongs only to God.
And God is something that we all have access to.
But I would say that there seem to be a set of moral and ethical principles that all of us intuitively and viscerally understand.
Justice, kindness, service, forgiveness and love.
And without those principles and without recourse to them, we're in serious trouble.
But that's just what I think.
And what Dr. Phil thinks.
And what Dr. Phil thinks.
Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.
We're going to be back with Gina Carano in a matter of seconds.
She'll be talking about her own lawfare, Disney, woke culture.
She's going to be talking about how Elon came to be helping her.
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I'm joined live now by Gina Carano and her hat and her cheekbones.
Gina, thank you very much for joining me.
I like your hat as well.
Are you a hat person?
Yeah, I've taken quite a lot of heat for this hat, Gina.
Why?
I love it.
You might feel like you know what it's like to be at the centre of a media storm, but I've been criticised for having a tiny hat and it never stops hurting.
People in the chat where we are now, our AwakendWonder chat on locals, say that it's too small, they ridicule it, they find ways to hurt me about the hat, but you like it, huh?
I think the one thing you're missing is a feather.
I think it needs a feather.
I'd do anything for a little feather in my cap, is the truth of the matter, Gina.
Do you have, like, a large head?
Is your head physically large?
I don't care for the direction of inquiry, if I can say, Gina.
I'm not the one on trial!
Okay?
Yet!
My head actually is, like, it's a large head.
I have a big head, so I have a, like, large head.
I've got a giant melon head.
I don't know if you've ever seen the film Elephant Man about the trials of John Merrick.
I've got a head that's it's an enormous boulder like head like if I'm in a hat shop like this hat is enormous it's actually made of foam it's a novelty hat available for American Major League Sports but my head is so large you know I've got a really like I've got a big head a big hat a big head same we have that in common then Can I say, I mean, I don't know if we have an image available but that is the exact type of hat that John Merrick the Elephant Man used to wear on top of his sack to give the sack a little panache, you know?
I have no idea who this John Merrick is but it's sounding...
Gina, David Lynch made a film in, I guess, probably the early 80s.
It was produced by Mel Brooks, surprisingly, and I feel like John Hurt maybe won an Oscar for his portrayal of John Merritt, the elephant man, who was a Victorian circus freak.
Who, due to a deformity, a serious deformity, was known as the Elephant Man, and a myth came up around him that his mother was trampled on by elephants.
He toured around, you know, the circuses and freak shows of the UK, making a living from his unfortunate deformities and appearance, because even though it's just a century ago, People were more brutal then, or at least we thought, because actually it turns out that people conceal their brutality now in extraordinary ways, which we'll be discussing later.
Their mendacity, their cruelty, often just dressed up as compassion and kindness, still seems pretty prevalent in our culture.
People still enjoy making people into freaks, condemning people, parading people around and shaming them, often under the auspices of kindness and culture.
But the simple truth is, is that Elephant Man wore a hat Just like your hat!
Well then, I think I love it.
You look a lot better than he did in that hat, Gina.
You look amazing today and thank you so much for joining us today for our show.
It's a real thrill to meet you.
Do you think people have gotten more cruel over the years or has it just been history repeating itself?
Let me think about that, because that seems like a pretty serious question.
I want to remind you of a quote by the great American writer, Ernest Hemingway.
I've heard sentimentality described as unearned emotion.
man and like all sentimental people he was also very cruel.
I've heard sentimentality described as unearned emotion like you know
a lot of us feel pain a lot of us feel sadness a lot of us feel sorrow but
sometimes sentimentality is when you kind of pretend to have an
emotion you don't really deserve that you haven't really earned
Perhaps allying yourself to causes that are none of your business or pretending to care more deeply about something or using apparent, apparent, I don't know, virtue, you might say.
And I wonder, man, I think it is a pretty cruel world.
I mean, I know like you, I've experienced Some pretty serious public attacks.
And what people tend to do these days is dress up their cruelty as, well, actually we're on the side of righteousness.
We're helping people.
We're standing up for vulnerable people.
There's no question that there are people that are, have been penalized, punished.
There are different groups of people that have been exploited over time.
But one of the things I really wanted to ask you about Gina is, and this thing we've been talking about in our team here, Is it?
Seems to me that you are a cast iron strong woman, MMA fighter, outspoken, like that's a hell of a smile that you just broke out.
And when you have a brand that organizes itself around the celebration of strong women that can't actually handle it, When a strong woman is outspoken, has views outside of the mainstream, you get to measure what those values might be really.
I wonder, I'd like to return to you the question, do you think society has got more cruel?
And do you think that people are starting to use, trying to pretend that bad motives are good ones, using certain cultural tools that you yourself have had used against you?
No, I think society has had the same kind of sin, the same kind of cruelty, just in different ways throughout history.
I think if we look back at history, the way they used to persecute people, I think that, I mean, We at least don't have that going on right now.
Nobody's hanging from crosses in America yet, right?
So, just in different ways.
The thing I liked about fighting was that you could train for an opponent that was training for you and that it would be an honest interaction between two people where the gates close and you look across the cage and you see the person's eyes and you realize It's you against this person and that's a fair fight.
The thing I don't really like about business and Hollywood and all of that is that the knives come from everywhere.
They come from the back, they come from the side, they are constant.
It's not a fair fight.
It's definitely not a fair fight when you have massive corporations ganging up against, you know, singular people and You know they're able to just squash them and I bet 99.9% of the cases and every once in a while you get a couple of people, I believe you're one of them, which has been incredible to watch your journey and I hope that I'm one of them and I hope that it just
It's just enough to check society to say, hey, we need to correct things here.
We need to make sure that we're not getting just completely smashed by the big guy, by the big corporations and stuff.
It's interesting that these organizations Organisations often claim to be acting on behalf of the interests of the vulnerable.
I'm struck already, Gina, in our conversation by what appears to be your gentleness and sanguinity, your calmness as a person.
I find it still baffling That you are a fighter because my own feelings about fighting are so extreme.
I can't imagine how you deal with the fear and trepidation and anticipation of knowing that you're going to confront another person in a ring or octagon or whatever, a cage, and that it is just you against them.
I sometimes, the psychological charge of that overwhelms me, particularly the idea of doing it in front of an audience, doing it at a competitive level.
I think it's just such an example of incredible fortitude.
And then when you describe that as being vastly different, somehow honourable in contrast with the way that you are attacked in a cultural space, it's a real interesting way of marking the lack of honour and principles that currently define our society.
And I think that a lot of people feel this now, that we are morally adrift in spite of all the talk of morality and virtue and principles that seem to be defined in our culture.
When that happened to you, mate, when you went from being sort of a celebrated artifact in the culture, in a celebrated Disney product, to being an outcast and attacked, can you tell me what that did to you emotionally, what it did to your well-being, what it did to your faith and your trust, and how it made you feel about yourself?
Well, so while I was going through the whole cancellation process, well, there was an intense amount of pressure from Lucasfilm Disney to pretty much just push their own ideologies onto me, you know, and represent what we represent and say what we want you to say.
And then demonizing you once you didn't, you know, comply with And then putting you through basically this horrendous humiliation session when you didn't comply.
So while I was going through that in 2019, I feel like I was extremely naive.
It's kind of like, I guess, being a born-again Christian.
When you finally get saved and become a Christian, all of a sudden you're like, I want everybody to know, you know, I found out about this thing and it's the most incredible thing and you got to know Jesus, you know?
Well, in my case, in 2019 and 2020, I was like, Oh my gosh, like there's a lot of corruption.
There's so much corruption happening.
Like, can you see it?
Can anybody see what's going on?
And, um, it was so, It was so bewildered me that, like, we weren't on the streets marching for being locked down or for being mandated or for being, you know, it just blew my mind.
I was like, oh, for sure, America will be on the streets.
You know, the punk rock and like the, you know, the phase that I grew up in, like the grunge, like the people that weren't going to comply, that we were going to be on the streets and we were going to say, no, you're not going to lock us down.
And the complete opposite happened and it flipped my world upside down.
Um, and so it was really, uh, I'm sure, I don't know if you've ever felt this way, but like, have you ever had anxiety so much that your skin hurts and your, your body hurts and it's, it's anxiety just coming through your body.
Um, that's what I was experiencing.
And I was experiencing a high level of, um, paranoia, a high level of, um, you know, When you know when somebody is trespassing into your uncomfortable zone in yourself, and that kept on happening over and over.
So for about, I'd say a little less than a year, it was this torture session of trying to just say, I'm not doing anything wrong.
I'm just not doing what you want me to do.
Yeah.
And so that was really, Hard.
And so flip to, you know, three, you know, years later, as you can see, there's no, I just, I'm moving into my house today.
So it took me three years to rebuild back.
Actually, today and yesterday, I'm moving into a home.
And it's just took me this long physically, emotionally and spiritually to get to a place where I get to wake up in my own bed and with my own view and just I'm truly just like grateful.
But it did take three years of my life of being called the worst things and you know, I did not do anything wrong.
I didn't say anything wrong and It's just unfortunate, but what I hope happens through what happened in my scenario is that it'll make it that much more difficult for it to happen to the next person and the next person and everybody will just keep getting stronger by speaking their heart and their, you know,
Speaking their heart out a little bit more.
You're a beautiful communicator.
I recognize that thing that you said about when the skin is burning and when you're consumed by fear and anxiety and paranoia, because I've had it happen to me.
And another friend of mine, who of course I won't name, who's been through the same thing, says that a human being is not evolved to experience that level of condemnation, that level of attack.
It's almost supernatural.
And I might even venture, this is mine, he never said this, almost demonic on some level.
What is the motivation behind this?
Why is this so powerful?
He says, like, you know, you're evolved to maybe think about like, oh, no, I hope the crops don't get blight or, you know, you're evolved.
We're not evolved to sort of feel that.
And it does feel extraordinarily mechanical and terrifying and sort of you can't have like a reasonable conversation about morality and virtue because actually deep down that's not what's being discussed.
You can't say listen I know that I was promiscuous and that my conduct around women was not the man I should be and not how I would want to raise my son and how I'd want to raise my daughters but you can't turn that into what you have claimed and are claiming using the media machinery and government agency.
You can't do that.
You can't do that.
We have to have conversation.
Where is the moral center of the organizations like the people that are attacking and condemning you?
What's their morality?
What's their drives?
You know?
Yeah.
And the fact is, it's like we're all deeply, darkly Human.
And what's happened with social media is we're all kind of realizing just how human everybody is.
And we all have a past, and we all have things we regret, and we all have things we've done that, you know, shown in the light of day we would be so, you know, ashamed of.
And it gets, you know, pinpointed on certain people.
And then when it gets pinpointed on certain people, the opportunity is to take that as a, you know, let's make an example out of these people who have changed their life around, who have, you know, making a positive impact on the world.
And let's make an example out of them, because they don't want that.
They don't want that goodness in the world.
And I think you really touched on something.
I think it is completely demonic.
Um, I, when I was really little, uh, when I was like 19 years old, my favorite verse in the Bible was that his sweat turned like blood and it was right before they came to collect him.
And I thought.
Oh my word, like he was under so much anxiety and or persecution that his his actual sweat turned like blood and I think there's an there's an actual scientific name for it.
But it's um, Yeah, it's been awful to not look at each other as humans, to try to force ideologies off on each other.
It's just been kind of like, for the last four years, I'm like, this world is not going to make it that far if we keep going in this direction.
It's not going to be good.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
But you've made quite a... I'm so happy for you.
Are you?
I am.
Thank you, Gina.
I mean, I know you're talking about like... I was happy for you like a long time ago, but I'm happy for you even more now.
You're talking, thank you, thank you, that's so beautiful of you, thank you.
You're talking about like, with the sweat to blood, you're talking about the agony in the garden of our Lord and Saviour as God in human form experiences terror and dread.
And sometimes when I consider that, I was invited in fact to consider that during these trials and this agony, it's not like Christ is, well, I'm God actually, so this is all fine and I'm going to be all right.
Jesus experiences it, so that Christ's sacrifice and Christ's affinity with us is the opposite of the sentimentality we were talking about a minute ago.
It's the opposite of, in fact, and it sort of shows you why the coming to earth in human form is necessary and why the sacrifice is necessary to create this A new covenant between our kind and God.
A new covenant where we are redeemed by Christ, not redeemed by our peers, not redeemed by the state, not redeemed by our own virtue, but redeemed by Christ.
If all of us were given what we deserve, we'd all be damned.
We'd all be dead.
So who are those people that think that they can separate themselves off and judge and sit in positions like the Pharisees and condemn?
Say, these people are dirty, these people are wrong.
It makes me very, very angry.
It's so bizarre.
It's so bizarre that same people that were saying, kneel down, apologize, you know, do what we say just to get in our good graces, are the same people that have made horrendous, awful mistakes.
And all it would really take, in my case, it's just like, Okay, well now you want to lead by example as a massive multi-million dollar company that's shielding themselves behind goodness and Disney, you know?
Why don't you show us what an apology, a genuine apology was?
Because they gave me one of those No, I'm not going to do that.
I think those are ridiculous.
by the publicist, you know, I need to re-educate myself, blah, blah, blah, you know, one of
those. And I said, no, I'm not going to do that. I think those are ridiculous. So what
I will do is I will write you out a full blown statement with, from my heart.
And that's actually something that I hope that once we hopefully move forward in the court case, I want that to be read out loud in court None of the emails that I had sent, I want the court to know that.
I want the judge to hear it.
I want the opposite side to hear it.
I want the jury to hear it.
I want everybody to hear how I was communicating.
I was trying my best.
And that's how I know that if something like this could happen to me, it can happen to anybody.
And it actually really ends up happening to very, very nice people.
You know, I am a fighter.
Okay, like I do have this hot blood sometimes, but I also am very introverted and very...
I don't like to be really around a lot of people.
I'm completely the opposite in a lot of ways.
So I think I identify with a lot of women, a lot of men out there that feel this.
They feel the inner strength that if we have to do something to take care of something, we'll do it.
But we would rather not have to come out here and Take this corporation to court for being so disrespectful to artists and human beings.
It's just...
It's just, it's been, but at the same time, having said all of that, you know, I feel like God has really kind of chosen me for this moment and that's okay because I knew that had the same thing happened to another actress as severely, I think my cancellation was one of the more severe Star Wars cancellations ever, which is saying a lot because Or in Hollywood, I think it was one of the more severe ones.
You know, like had it happened to another actress, I don't think I don't know how they would have handled it.
I think that that's where people end up committing suicide.
I think that's where they end up with, you know, a lifelong pain and suffering.
So I'm trying to do with my life.
Okay, this thing happened.
And I'm trying to heal from it, which is the last three years.
And now I'm moving into this house, and I've got the court case, and I've got a new manager.
And I want to figure out how to keep pushing to show people that life after cancellation and being persecuted like that, you know, exists.
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You know, we've touched on scripture.
You're in a David Goliath situation.
I heard the other day in my daily Bible readings, what's that?
Was I recently saved?
Was I recently baptized?
Have I talked about it enough?
Like in the daily reading, it talks about David Goliath.
And it said like, when you're attacked by a behemoth, you first of all think, oh my God, it's so big.
How can I face this?
But in the end, you think, this is so big.
How can I miss?
Where are you on that trajectory now, Gina?
I went through a lot in the last couple years.
Like I said, I'm just newly... I had to make the movers stop because I'm like, guess who I'm talking to?
So everybody had to stop.
So I'm just moved in and it feels just... I'm at like a bit of rebirth right now.
So almost like I have a horse and she just gave birth to a baby and you see them like... But why?
So I feel like that's kind of... I'm getting my legs again.
But with a lot of muscle memory.
I can't, you know, sometimes like I feel God lets you know where something's gonna go.
He kind of, he kind of, but he hasn't let me know.
I don't know where this is headed.
And because it showed up out of the blue, it was really interesting.
I had prayed a week before, so it took me a long time to, you know, cause you get so upset sometimes you just want, you want justice, right?
We want justice.
I think justice in the world is like, All of us just want some justice to happen so that we can maintain some sort of civilization of not being just railed over and saying, you have to take this injection and not, you know, we want some justice to happen.
So with my case, as soon as I let go of the fact of, okay, well, it might not be justice the way I want it, or I think I want it.
You know, like I have my dream of like, oh, this would be wonderful because I could do all of this if I, you know, won this battle.
But sometimes I had to come to the realization that I feel like, you know, what's more important is God's got the plan for me.
He knows he's the ultimate justice.
And so I really I'm holding on to that instead of having any expectations or You know, trying to figure out where this is going to go.
All I know is I don't, I have nothing to hide, which feels really wonderful walking into a courtroom.
I have nothing to hide from what I've said and, you know, what I've done, you know, why I was canceled.
Of course, I've done things in my life that have been ridiculous and You know, I've got plenty of those things, but I don't have in this specific case, I don't have anything where I feel ashamed of.
And so I feel very clear conscious walking in and that feels that feels good walking into probably like the biggest fight I've been in.
Yeah, it's an extraordinary battle that you're about to face.
How did it come about that Elon Musk said that he would support you?
I understand that he broadly has a policy of supporting anyone who's persecuted as a result of things they've said freely on X. Can you tell me how that's come about and like what kind of, if he's been of comfort to you other than by virtue of the fact that he's A powerful person and has incredible resources.
Has he been personally comforting?
And does this mean having that kind of support, the support of Elon Musk, that this is something that you're going to pursue to its sort of natural conclusion?
And would you tell us what you have in terms of desired outcomes?
You sort of said that you might have a you had an idea of justice a minute ago, and I just wonder what that looked like.
But could you tell us first about the Elon stuff?
Elon Musk is not somebody I know personally.
I've never had a conversation with him.
I've never met him in person.
I've just spoken to the lawyers who speak to the ex-people who speak to Elon.
And so I think that what he's doing in life has been a game-changer, a historical game-changer that, you know, I think when we look back in history, we started wondering, where are these people at?
Where are the people that are changing the game now?
Where are the Martin Luther Kings?
Where are the people that are speaking out?
And I think we'll look back and we'll find a lot of those, but I think Elon Musk Without having bought Twitter for that, this time being in this election, you know, and let's just go for short, you know, because I don't know where it's going to go, but for the short term of like allowing free speech on his platform has been just a complete game changer across the world.
He contacted, well, they contacted me.
After he put out that tweet that he was, if you've ever gotten fired, then I kind of went viral because everybody, the people that were paying attention, they were like Gina Carano.
And I'm like, and I just said, I think I qualify with a smiley face emoji.
And then, I don't know, months later, I got an email from the lawyer and he said, we'd be interested in looking in your case.
And it was like, it was important because I wanted to take them to the case earlier.
I just was in a very unsafe place in LA without any security and I had stalkers and I had journalists and I remember one night specifically I had gotten done with a meeting and I was taking Uber home and there was They were trailing me and they were, you know, it was scary.
It was really scary.
And I just remember like asking the Uber driver, can you please try to lose these tails?
Like, can you please get, get them off our tail?
And he did.
Um, but I just remember just like getting out of the Uber and falling like, you know, into my, you know, loved one's arm and just crying because I was just so just harassed and it was, Awful.
And I'm sure you've experienced that.
But they kind of put my life in danger, you know, for this time that I was living in LA.
And so I had to move and moving and relocating your life, your whole team drops you, um, you, that you're getting demonized by every single news media.
And you just have to, it took me this long to start over.
Um, so he, what Elon Musk has done is, um, It's just powerful what he's doing for me and other people to be able to take them to court.
Because I would have taken them to court, but I chose to use this money to move out of a dangerous situation, basically.
So when the lawyers contacted me, they said, We'd be interested in your case.
And I, I was like, I was, I got ahold of my family lawyers and I was like, is this for real?
Like, are they real?
Are they good lawyers?
And they, and they looked them up and they were real.
And then I just immediately was like, here's what I've got.
And I just sent them all of these emails and they were looking through it.
And I have this really lovely lawyer, Edward Trent.
And He's caring.
He's actually gentle as a lawyer.
And looked through all my stuff and took it back to X and they all believe in it.
And then we built our case.
And still, all this time I haven't spoken to Elon.
I don't know him as a person.
I just know what I see and I appreciate what he's done for humanity at this very intense, crazy time.
Your case could be pretty epochal in a sense because the resources of Elon Musk, I suppose, are in a way comparable, if greater, to the resources of Donald Trump.
Meaning that whether or not you have questions about Elon Musk or Donald Trump when it comes to do you agree with them on every single issue and everything that they're doing and the potential complexity that any person with power or government contracts or significant real estate Might find themselves in because I know there are people that think the similar things about me.
Oh, well, he's got this gig or that gig or he's been here or there, you know, people have always got questions.
And in the end, I suppose that's why it's important to have a spiritual perspective where you recognize That we are all flawed but all redeemed.
Now, that was just a precursor to saying, but this could be pretty seismic because the Disney corporation is extraordinarily powerful and actually is playing a cultural role that is important and influential, deeply influential.
And if they find themselves through legislation in a very public battle, it's possible that we'll learn a great deal about the Disney Corporation.
For example, in the discovery phase of any eventual trial, what their financial situation is, what the impact has been of some of their decisions and their position.
Whether or not they legitimately believe in the values that they claim that they believe in.
I mean, in a sense, of course they don't, because they're a corporation.
They care about generating profit.
They care about control.
If they were a moral and ethical organization, they would behave differently.
They wouldn't be buying up Marvel, buying up this, sacking people, refusing to allow people to have a range of views.
Like, we all know what crime is, and we all know what free speech is.
speeches. We all know that you can be a conservative person or a left wing person or a right wing
person, these aren't things that are meant to be criminalised and shut down. Once that
starts happening, we're in a pretty extraordinary position.
So I think that you could be on the precipice of something that might be culture defining,
if this goes as far as it could go. And I'm glad really, because I'm a little sick of
legacy media organisations and global corporations who perhaps more than anyone are responsible
for the decline and I'm just going to say it, evil, that we experience in the world
right now, acting like they got something to say about it.
About other people's moral conduct.
I think they need to be brought down.
I think it would be a good thing if they were not only regulated, but destroyed when it comes to many of the legacy media organizations.
I think they should be destroyed because they are.
I feel like Twitter and the free speech, I mean, I don't go to CNN.
I don't go to Fox.
I don't have any cable network.
I go to Twitter to find out my news.
I find the debating and the talking so healthy for people.
I find the debating and the talking so healthy for people.
And I went on, I gave Chris Cuomo a hard time.
You know, 100% I gave him a hard time on Twitter.
But I appreciate that these conversations are happening because in order for them to happen, more things get revealed.
And that's happening on Twitter.
That's not happening on major news media.
And they're kind of just destroying themselves.
So yes, do they love money?
But they they seem to love money, you know, but why are they throwing it away so much?
I think they aren't.
They are not dumb people.
They have a plan.
And I think the plan is to pretty much manufacture artists that they can control and To me, where does the art go from there?
Like, art is the most free expression that you have.
Once you've muzzled artists, you've muzzled freedom.
Because, and that's, so they're trying to manufacture the people that will agree and do exactly what they want.
But at the same time, they're saying, oh, we're so, we're so diverse when they're just manufacturing artists after artists and just making them fit into these little You know, these bubbles where the true people out here like yourself and hopefully me are trying to really just, hey, let us express ourselves.
Let us, let it just be a fair fight.
Yeah, a fair fight, because I think what we feel now is that the idea of justice being blind and independent, an adjudicator that is somehow conveying a higher law, a higher principle, whether in a secular society or not it legitimately claims to be God's law, The principles themselves are derived from that paradigm.
There's no denying of that.
The reason judges wear costumes, the reason that we all rise for the judge, the reason that they are sat behind a pulpit, elevated, is to suggest to us semiotically that there is something just taking place.
So when you have a judicial system that's plainly being utilised for political purposes, when you have free speech criminalised, when you have people shut down for speaking freely, You recognize, you're forced to recognize that you don't actually have representative democracy anymore.
You have a set of institutions that control populations, usually through relationships between corporations and states.
There's no regard of sovereign nationality or democratic power.
This is what we're dealing with now.
And it's interesting for me To hear when, you know, amidst all that bureaucratic and occasionally mangled language, that at the heart of this, Gina, are human beings getting sort of annihilated and destroyed while the people doing it are like, hello, we're the good guys.
We're here to help you.
We're here to represent goodness and to, in my case, you know, to protect vulnerable people and to ensure that justice is done.
Or in your case, you can't say that.
You can't use those words or mention those things.
And what You've made it pretty clear that you were experiencing considerable despair.
Did you at any point think that you might not survive it?
That you might have to take... I know you've said you're a fighter.
Did you ever think that you may not be able to live through it?
No, I never considered taking my life.
I just knew that because I don't worship Hollywood, you know.
I worship God and I know a lot of people don't have that kind of stability.
So, And I also felt like while I was going through it just a daily thing where it was just in my heart to where I looked around and I saw families that um they would lose a whole lot more than me had they spoken up you know because they had children and um you know I just felt like I don't have any children I have a lot I have I'm at the peak of my career and things are happening but nobody else is saying anything and
I'm okay with saying something about, you know, just opening up the conversation.
Not that I, I don't consider myself a, you know, an intellectual.
I just, I had normal questions and I wasn't going to allow the fear to not let me ask them.
And I think that's the majority of at least people I think around the world.
Why aren't we, why weren't we allowed to ask questions?
Why weren't, why were we being forced or told that we were being forced?
And now, of course, they're telling us you weren't being forced.
And it's just, it crushes me because I go to these fan expos and I sign all the autographs and so many of the people, I'd say the majority of the people on my lines, they're not even really coming, you know, because of my characters that I played in my movies.
They're coming to give me a hug.
They're coming to thank me.
They're coming to cry and say, you know, this is what happened to me.
And it's just, it makes me feel so, so blessed that I get to do that.
And so I never thought I'd be this fan expo person, but now I'm like, I get to be with people who, those are the people that need to be hugged the most.
And just, they bless me back just by sharing that, that, that we've all shared for the last four years together.
And, um, it is very exhausting because there's so much pain in the world.
So many, such worse, like such awful things happen to people.
People work their entire lives as nurses, as policemen, as firefighters, They worked their entire lives and it was stripped from them, just like it was stripped from me.
Mine was on a big public, you know, stage, but I mean, I just feel like, you know, gutted for the people that, you know, were forced to take a vaccine they didn't believe in, which is basically you're forcing, and I knew this from the beginning, and I don't know, I don't know why, But I just knew your force injecting doubt and later on that doubt is going to play out in people's bodies, whether whatever this vaccine is, it's going to play out in people's bodies.
And when you have fear of having had something injected into that, you don't know about.
It gets doubt and then you have fear and then that creates more problems and we're seeing a lot of excess debt.
And I think that's a mental health and it's because you can't you can't force people to have a medical procedure and then the rest of their entire lives.
They they have to doubt it.
That is so not just and it makes me so angry.
And when I saw Fauci, you know, just running around in circles, not being held accountable.
Well, they definitely tried to hold him accountable, but this is like crimes against humanity in my perspective level.
And I think it should get there.
Um so I just I hate what has happened to the world at the same time um I'm glad I'm glad I got to be a part of the part that I've got to be a part of and I hope you know whatever happens I don't know what happens from here on but I know that I'm speaking to people's heart because I speak from my heart and I know that um that helps so as long as it's helping some of you out there then Know that you've blessed me right back.
That's all we're allowing you to see of the magnificent Gina Carano.
There's a further 25 minutes of this interview available and my favourite bit of that is when she talks about going on an expedition with Bear Grylls, something that I've done as well, having it cancelled.
That happened to me as well.
And having a vision of wolves and stuff.
That didn't happen to me.
I would like to have a vision of wolves.
And we talk about baptism and our Lord and Saviour.
We get loads of stuff.
It's pretty fantastic.
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