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June 6, 2024 - Stay Free - Russel Brand
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Russell Brand LIVE with Donald Trump Jr
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3, 2, 1 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders.
Thank you for joining me for a very special live show.
Today, Stay Free with Russell Brand is streaming live from the home of Donald Trump Jr.
Thank you so much for joining us, sir.
Good to be here, good to be here.
For the first 15 minutes, we will be streaming widely, available everywhere.
Even with the constant obstacles to free speech, we will speak freely.
But after that first 15, we'll be exclusively available on Rumble, the joint home of both Dear Don and myself, you are a resident at Rumble like me.
I am, I am.
Listen, I think I was the second verified user on Rumble after Bongino.
Bongino was verified, then you were verified.
Yeah, well it was right when all of that stuff happened with Twitter 1.0, where all of a sudden they cancelled the President of the United States and I had a Large following there, and I said, wait a second, this could disappear in two seconds.
You could see what was going on and, you know, reached out with Dan, started talking with Chris Pawlowski, the CEO, and I was on there and have been there ever since.
It's, you know, arguably the only, you know, true free speech video platform.
You've experienced what YouTube will do and the manipulation there.
And so I thought it was such an important thing to do and to support.
That's why I'm here and that's my home.
Also resident in this home, in this house, and on Rumble is Kim Guilfoyle, who will be joining us in a minute.
Also, although not simultaneously, for numerous reasons, mostly technical, but also social, we feel like we'll have conversations successively.
We're all talkers.
Yeah.
So we could have an interview of just everyone talking simultaneously and no one will be able to hear anything, so...
What I like about this conversation, so if you're watching us on YouTube, there'll be a link up in about 15 minutes, and you'll have to click the link and follow us over to Rumble.
And hopefully, if you permit me, Don, we'll be staying live on local, so become an awakened wonder and join us there, where we will be smoking cigars freely together.
Discussing subjects as varied and vast as masculinity, liberty, freedom and what revolution and indeed insurrection means in the modern world.
Don, thank you very much for having a conversation that just a few short years ago would have seemed impossible.
We've only met once before at the Rumble launch.
in Sarasota. And I remember then thinking, wow, I'm moving into a different environment now. I'm
having conversations with people from the Trump family, people from a different world, in your
case an outdoor hunting fishing person. According to your Wikipedia page, as of today, you were
still involved in a Russia gay hoax. In a way, this conversation couldn't have happened five
years ago because I occupied an entirely different world.
It's a miracle that it can even still happen today, to some degree, because we live in such heavily censored and controlled spaces.
What do you think it means when people from different cultural pockets find themselves allying on the basis that now there is so much freedom, so much impediment to freedom, so much censorship, so much control, and so much to be afraid of when it comes to establishment authority that new alliances simply have to be formed?
I think it's a great start.
You know, I think a lot of the forces that you're talking about in censorship and suppression, I think a lot of that's been going on probably for decades.
It was the extreme nature of the last few years, maybe the last eight years, that I think woke up a lot of people to exactly what was going on.
When we started speaking, I said, there's probably not a lot we would have agreed on politically or otherwise eight, ten years ago, and yet We're sort of in this same fight against these external forces that at this point, honestly to me, scream just pure evil.
It's just total control.
There's nothing they won't do.
As we talked this week, you said, on my Wikipedia page, I don't check it because I think Wikipedia is literally the The basis that everyone else uses to spread misinformation and create censorship in an artificial means.
But yeah, I'm still an agent of Russia, even though that's been totally disproven, and even though a Hillary Clinton campaign pushed these lies, and our three-letter agencies blindly bought into that, and they leak the information to establishment media, in that case the New York Times, which writes an article that they use as the basis for an investigation to try to destroy a presidency, which is As far as I'm concerned, an affront on democracy, but according to them, that's actually saving democracy somehow.
We don't know how, but they will tell us that ad nauseum.
It's difficult to wrench your head out of the domestic environment that all of us inhabit.
I mean primarily culturally.
And for a moment, consider that if we heard of a foreign country where a political opponent was being subject to criminal investigation while simultaneously having their previous policies plagiarized.
Policies which whilst in office Donald Trump was significantly condemned.
I'm talking about the travel ban and various attempts to curtail or otherwise control immigration.
While Donald Trump was in office He was attacked by the same media now that are attempting to significantly amplify and support Biden's recent executive order when it comes to the border.
Now, you seem to be saying, Don, that that is both an inept policy rather than pure plagiarism.
It's a lie.
It's just optics, right?
The Biden border policy is 4,000 guaranteed amnesty every day with all sorts of loopholes for additional people.
And just so we're clear, You know, Obama's homeland guy said a thousand a day would be overwhelming.
So now we're at 4x plus all the loopholes.
So it's the optics.
They're appearing to do something, but I'd ask, even if they're appearing to do something, maybe that's a start.
Why'd it take three and a half years?
Did we think there was any good to come from, I don't know, human trafficking?
The child sex trafficking, the fentanyl crisis that has killed 100,000 Americans a year.
100,000, just so we understand what that is.
That's two Vietnams a year.
Two Vietnams a year.
Vietnam was a 10-plus year war.
Two a year, and we barely talk about it as a crisis.
I mean, that's where we are.
Where's the media talking about that?
Because they will make it seem like they're trying to do something, and it's all smoke and mirrors.
It's nonsense.
We've got Vietnams everywhere we look.
Ed Dowd, reporting on excess deaths in your country, says that in the two-year period immediately post the pandemic, if we can even say post-pandemic at this point, there was a Vietnam worth of excess deaths.
We're living at a time, it seems to me, where centralised authority and the potential for a kind of technological feudalism is using as its biggest weapon the threat of a ...second Trump presidency to augur and allow them to create authoritarianism that's much more akin to versions of tyranny that we've seen in literature, yes to a degree in George Orwell, but notably in Aldous Huxley, and the kind of terror and dread that I get from reading Franz Kafka in books like The Trial, where there's this new
This invisible, cruel bureaucracy that tells you that it's helping you, tells you that it cares about you, won't give you details or facts about where power actually lies, uses really kind language, all the while inhibiting your freedom, turning people against one another.
I recognise now that's a much bigger threat to freedom than even the worst portrayal of the MAGA movement and Donald Trump.
That frightens me more at this point.
It should.
I mean, listen, we've been hearing people screaming about fascism for eight years, nine years, and yet look at the actions of those people.
They are the ones literally trying to jail their political opponents.
They are the ones who, you know, gave a total pass to, you know, the very peaceful protesters of the 2020 Summer of Love who happened to burn down major cities in America, billions in damage, people actually murdered.
You juxtapose that to, you know, January 6th, You know, which, as far as they're concerned, was, you know, the greatest insurrection in the history of insurrections also happened to be the first unarmed insurrection in the history of the world, and yet they utilize that narrative over and over again, right?
They create a narrative, you see the soundbites, you see every aspect in mainstream media picking up on every talking point.
It's always the same.
You put in the three words and it becomes gospel, right?
Now, as of this week, it was, you know, convicted felon, like, you know, without looking at the details of this case, right?
Convicted felon is the new one.
Joe Biden can't run on anything, so he's running against a convicted felon.
How can you allow that?
Yes.
Disregarding all of the corruption of his family, all of the corruption and the illegalities that his son has done.
I mean, you know, you compare me online, you know, to Hunter Biden and I am the devil and he is someone who simply suffers from addiction, not is just a total piece of garbage has sold out our country.
I get it.
I am not the upstanding citizen that he is, according to CNN, but the reality is that doesn't jive if people get below the surface.
Just the narrative that they're spoon-fed.
Yeah, what I'm starting to think is that when you can see powerful institutions leveraged and utilized in a particular direction, you can observe likely where the power lies and where power It must be very difficult, I suppose, for anyone that's living in your country right now, but in particular for someone in your family, to try to contemplate what's happening on a larger scale.
Because when an election is approaching, there is a kind of generalised hysteria.
And both sides, to a degree I suppose, are amplifying the enmity between the two camps.
But I feel that something's happening at a global level, and perhaps it's easier for me to see that as a person that's not from your country, but it seems that when you're looking at EU policy and UN policy and Canadian policy, Australian, Irish, particularly say for example, just take The subject of censorship.
It appears that something is being coordinated on a, perhaps even a global scale, to generate conditions where, if in response there's just a jet ski going by, there's just a jet ski going by, that's where you live, Don Junior, right in the stars and stripes in a jet ski.
It's the most American thing I've ever seen.
It really is.
It feels a little Kenny Powers.
Yeah, that's the best I had in mind!
We should take some jet skis, we should take our tops off and express ourselves.
It seems that something's happening on a global level that's primarily designed to prevent people communicating freely, so the next time crises are exploited, to introduce more authority the same way that it was in the pandemic the same way it appears to be around wars and might yet be in more generalized way perhaps connected to climate change when people's individual freedoms are restricted the ability to in real time communicate about it and say hold on this doesn't seem to be true you know but it seems for example Don that the WHO treaty
was designed to prevent what happened in the last pandemic happening.
It was essentially a treaty to be able to lock Joe Rogan in a box,
stop people communicating freely, demand that people take medications,
be very vague about what constitutes a pandemic.
It could be a whole variety of things.
Do you see the true power of America being transcendent of even your most obvious enemies,
the Democrat Party, and involving forces like the three-letter agencies?
But do you see it as being transcendent of not only America's interests, but America even as a nation?
Oh, a hundred percent.
I mean, I think it's so broken, and I think that globalist mindset has taken such control of even America.
Uh, you know, I saw that on us.
We, you know, we talked about, you know, still being an active cluelessness with Russia, uh, and me and, uh, you know, at the time when that was going on.
And I'd say it's safe to say I was the number two target after my father of Russia, Russia, Russia over the hoax.
But at the time, I'm saying, well, I mean, the FBI said this, Rob.
There's got to be something.
Like, I wanted to believe that as a patriotic American, everything I had sort of grown up thinking about my country was real.
That it wasn't, you know, smoke and mirrors.
But it's actually all bullshit.
Back then, I was fighting to preserve what I thought was real.
The reality is that is gone, and we're fighting to actually make that reality exist, because it does not exist right now in these things.
You saw that across the board.
You saw it, you know, this week with the Fauci trials.
It makes that relevant again.
I mean, I remember, as someone who is not a virologist, saying, like, of course, Of course the Wuhan virus started in the lab that studies the exact virus in question at the place that was ground zero.
No, no, no.
It started from four feet outside of that lab, Russell.
Magically.
Magically.
And, you know, you don't have to be a virologist to say, of course that's the most plausible place for it to start.
But if you were a virologist, If you were in academia, if you had research grants, if you said that, you'd be cancelled.
Your government funding would be pulled by Fauci because they were clearly trying to control a narrative.
And that goes forward in each and every one of these things that we see.
It's not limited to that.
They get what they want out of that weaponization at the time.
And, you know, two, three, four years later, when the truth actually comes out, there's no accountability.
There's no mea culpa.
No one gets sent to prison.
They ruined businesses.
They destroyed lives.
They did that under the auspices of science, and yet there was no actual science there.
And we knew that even at the time, because we saw the Fauci emails to his colleagues.
Yes.
It did not jive.
You know, when he was talking to doctors, it did not jive with what he was telling the American public each and every day when he was living his 15 minutes as a, you know, celebutant, you know, rock star on television because he never met a camera he didn't love.
And that's the problem with our system.
We encourage and allow the best bureaucrats to succeed.
The people who are the most vicious in the PR game.
Fauci was never the best doctor.
He's been wrong about everything since the 1980s.
But if you said, during the pandemic, if you said anything about that guy, you were out.
He was the left's deity for a two-year period.
He was a god.
They don't believe in actual god, so they create their own, right?
They had Greta Thunberg as the high priestess of climate change.
Uh, you know, they go to, you know, Fauci, uh, as the, the, the Lord of COVID, um, George Floyd for a shorter period of time.
But you know, that was a, that was a temporary deity, uh, of the left for a while.
And today that's dominated by Vladimir Zelensky, you know, a You know, leading one of the most corrupt nations in the world, who we will blindly send trillions of dollars to for an end result that has not yet actually been articulated to me, and I do this kind of at this point for a living.
They just blindly follow these things, and we must believe the gospel, and we must believe everything is above board.
But I think they've overplayed their hand in each and every one of these instances so much that rational people, people with an IQ above like seven, They're actually questioning these things now, and I think that's the biggest thing for us.
We have to question all of these things.
Don, you've brought up so much there.
I'm so glad that you've brought up the new erected, forgive the word, pantheon of gods that are casually strung and slung before us in the absence of real faith and in the absence of real love.
That's something I want to discuss more, because when you do have just a material and rational purview, it is very easy For the state to replace God, for a set of ideals to replace God that are tethered to, it seems to me, some pretty corrupt values.
And I'd love to talk to you in a minute about how we might see a resurgence of religious and spiritual faith.
I'd like to talk to you about the complexity of being born the son of your father, the obligations that's placed upon you, and the times when that must have been challenging for you, because we casually spoke about what it's like to disagree with a family member.
In any family, let alone in your family, you've already tagged the idea of Hunter Biden and the way that the failings of a particular son can be forgiven and elsewhere utilized.
And maybe both sides are guilty of that in their own way.
We're going to leave you on YouTube right now, so click the link in the description.
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We'll be joined by Kim Guilfoyle.
In a little while, we'll be talking more about the unique position America finds herself in At this moment.
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Don, this collapse of religious faith and this erection of new deities, I think is pretty fascinating, because perhaps, like, you know, right at the beginning of this, the reason that I became sympathetic, first of all, to Donald Trump, when I was a person that was on the other side of that argument, when I was elected, you know, just to be playing with you, sir, like, at the beginning, I was like, you can't have Donald Trump as President of the United States, that's crazy.
Like everyone, everyone knows... I get it.
Right, that's where I was, of course.
But then I saw the way that when the MAGA movement started to grow, and I saw the way that the media class was condemnatory of Americans that were supportive of Trump, I became very suspicious and cynical about their motives.
I also noticed a similar thing happened in my country during Brexit, that there's a kind of appetite to condemn ordinary people.
Now, you're obviously a very affluent man, and you're obviously from a very wealthy family, and yet, emotionally and socially and culturally, there seems to be some kind of resonance Between the MAGA message and ordinary Americans.
And I'd really like to talk to you a little about that but I've just been told that I've got to do an ad.
So we're going to just throw to one of our partners now and then I want to talk about what is the connection between Trump and ordinary Americans and why do the current establishment in the form of the Democrat Party loathe ordinary Americans so deeply and how are they able to continually use compassion.
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That's what I like about Rumble because I can actually...
Can be who you are.
Yeah, like, well, you know, I sort of, I grew up on construction sites, right?
It was a little, you know, it was a little different.
So I understand I totally come from a privileged place.
I understand I'm a son of a billionaire from New York, but my father was a little different with the way he pushed us from that world.
You were on sites when he had construction projects in New York.
Those were my first jobs, right?
I was joking.
I'm the only son of a billionaire, with my brother, I guess, who can drive a D10 Caterpillar bulldozer.
Can you?
Because we actually did those things.
He made us... If you're going to build a building, you better know how to dig a foundation.
You know, watching someone do it and actually spending a summer doing these things yourself are two very different things.
And I think to sort of where we left before the break, you know, that's perhaps how Trump had an understanding of sort of real people in America, right?
It wasn't just a guy that sat in a, you know, in a gilded office.
He did that too.
But, you know, he got down on the ground being a builder, not just a tech guy where you're sitting at a computer all day, you know, spending time on job sites, spending time with construction workers.
Uh, you know, I think, while very unlikely on paper, he had a very, very good understanding of where those people were for, you know, a 30 or 40 year career before he ever got into politics.
And I think that's what was unique about him.
He understood those people better than, you know, the elite snobs at the New York Times who couldn't understand, who are these people voting for Trump?
We don't know a single person who would vote for Trump in our, you know, little cocoon in Washington, D.C.
It's, it's absolutely shocking, and yet, You know, he resonated so well with real people because it wasn't the first time he actually spoke to real people, unlike so many of our political class.
Yeah, because people always try to score points with that I-was-talking-to-my-plumber type of rhetoric.
It's the way that politicians in your country and in mine automatically operate, pretending that they're down with ordinary people.
And I've questioned from the outside how has this person, in the case of your father Donald Trump, been able to achieve this affinity with uh ordinary people and you say socially and historically because it's just been part of he was he ran things different so like he just did that i mean he's always at heart he's always sort of still you know the boy from queens well like and again he was he was blessed and privileged and you know we get that we don't we don't discount that we we don't you know pretend we don't understand that uh but you know that's sort of his where you break it down right he did the sort of outstanding lavish things but you know at heart he wants to have a cheeseburger and watch a baseball game right he
He's a regular.
I was the guy decades ago that coined the phrase, you know, sort of blue-collar billionaire.
And people at the time, what are you saying?
It's like, now you get it.
They never got it.
They actually criticized me greatly for apparently not understanding something, but it turns out they were the ones that just didn't understand, you know, let's call it, you know, 300-something million people in America.
The reason I know something strange is happening is because my country, which is of course
heavily influenced by American politics and American economics and American geopolitical
objectives, does still yet have its own culture.
And in particular, around the time of Brexit, we saw, and I was uneasy about what I saw
as a kind of blanket condemnation of ordinary people, a kind of a willingness to say that
people that voted for Brexit were racist and like people in the north of the country or
let's say blue collar or working class regions were idiots.
And like during the cycles of these elections, it's become pretty clear that there is a kind
of contempt for American values, for the values of ordinary people of numerous cultures.
So this kind of, whether it's a charismatic ability or just an organic connection to ordinary
people is a surprising phenomena.
Do you feel it as well?
Do you feel comfortable?
Because I suppose you've grown up in a very different environment as any child of a billionaire would.
You know, I think I did.
It was sort of, it was interesting, I think, because of that.
The guys, you know, going and working on a job site during the summers at 14, 15 years old.
You know, I actually probably relate much more to that.
That doesn't mean, you know, I don't, you know, throw in a tux every once in a while and go do some rubber chicken dinner.
But, like, my friends are actually far more heavily based in sort of just ordinary America, right?
That's who I spend my time with, the outdoor stuff that I do, all that.
You know, I don't, you know, I choose to spend my time there
because that's where I'm actually more comfortable.
So ironically, getting into sort of politics was actually far more natural for me
because those are the people I was spending time with anyway.
You know, throwing on, you know, going to a rubber chicken dinner,
you know, I was actually faking that.
Whereas for politics, I'm not actually faking it.
I'm just being who I naturally am.
Does that make sense?
Yes, it does.
And I think what it says to me is that elitism is real.
There's this kind of like, look, I recognize economic elitism and I recognize privilege.
I live a pretty privileged life myself.
question about that. But what I'm like interested in is the kind of contempt
and hatred not only for Donald Trump, your father, because I can see how that's
politically expedient and necessary to amplify him as a threat as a kind of you
know the obvious example that is continually used is to try to portray
Donald Trump as a reboot in of the militaristic dictators of the last
century even though this is a president's already had four years in
office and didn't seek to use the military to shut down...
Well how about accomplish peace deals?
Right. I mean we went from signing peace deals in the Middle East to having you
know what you any one of the number of conflicts that could escalate into the
World War three and yet Trump was the dictator. You know you can't it's hard to
reconcile that I mean the the level of mental gymnastics to yeah to try to even
Even understand the narrative of today's left is really getting complicated.
It's very hard.
The reality on election day in November, you will have had four years under Trump and you will have had four years under Joe Biden.
That doesn't happen often where it's not just talk or rhetoric.
It's actually you've had real world experience.
When were you better off?
Name a metric, a single metric, where we are better off today than we were four years ago.
You know, the adults were back in charge, but they took back in charge and they withdrew from Afghanistan, and Americans are killed for the first time in 18 months in a conflict zone, and rather than taking accountability or acknowledging stupidity or whatever, we have our Secretary of State, the adults who are back in charge, gets on a world stage before Congress and says, he's shocked and dismayed.
And I quote, you know, that the Taliban did not install a more diverse and inclusive government.
I'm saying, I don't know, guys, like, if you want to be dismayed, fine.
You're shocked that the Taliban didn't have a, you know, a trans contingent, Russell.
They didn't take those things into consideration.
And we are shocked that that didn't happen.
They threw people off buildings for being homosexuals, you know, like for the last 20 years.
We've been at war for that.
It's not we didn't understand them.
We've been at war for 20 years.
We thought magically they were going to change because, you know, corporate America put up, you know, trans flags for Pride Month.
Those are not serious people.
And yet those are people who are making literally trillion dollar decisions, not just for Americans, but for people around the globe.
Don, one of the things that we can use to draw points of distinction because it spanned both administrations is, of course, the pandemic.
Now, I recognize that at the beginning of the pandemic period, we were in a different environment.
And Donald Trump's enthusiasm for Operation Warp Speed, as well as some of the things that he said that, in retrospect, were pretty interesting around hydrochloric... I can never say that word.
Hydroxychloroquine.
Well done, man.
Well done.
Like, you know, he did have an interesting approach.
But do you feel that if Donald Trump outright said these vaccines weren't what they claim to be, and some people won't even use the term vaccines now, gene therapies, weren't what we thought they were, Excess deaths needs to be looked at, adverse events needs to be looked at, and the big pharma companies need to be examined in the same way you would around the opioid crisis.
Do you think that many of the people in his base, in addition to, I'm assuming, other people would find that appealing?
I actually think so.
I mean, you know, and I agree with all of that.
I think, you know, when he takes criticism for that, I think you have to go back in hindsight.
If Trump would have fired Fauci when we all started questioning it, Seven seconds, and he would have had a hundred percent of the... You know, again, they turned someone into a deity.
They did that very much on purpose, because they could use that as a crudgel against Trump.
Yeah.
If he questioned these things, he saw that, you know, hey, hydroxychloroquine, it turns out it's actually right.
You know, remdesivir, whatever the other ones were.
Hey, it was right.
He was looking at all of these things as potentials, but guess what?
None of those, you know, a drug that's been out in the open market for 50 years, None of that meant money to Big Pharma and to those institutions, those same institutions that I guess we found out, I guess, part of the, you know, NIH or whatever it is, the scientists there, they made 70 million dollars in royalties for the things that they came up with that don't seem to have been effective at all, yada yada yada.
At the time, He would have been killed for going against a Fauci.
That's not even a pretense.
Same thing with, you know, January 6th.
You know, they show you a couple videos of, you know, they're certainly some bad actors, right?
You know, we don't... But, like...
7, 10, but that was the video they showed you.
And then for the 14 days between that and the transition of power.
Well, why didn't he pardon everyone?
Well, because the only thing we saw, the only thing that was made available to the public was this image of like, hey man, that could look like an insurrection.
Then you see, you know, now we see videos of grandmothers taking selfies, like within the velvet ropes, those people were questioned by the FBI and thrown in jail for years.
You know, now we know that, but at the time, What did we actually know?
What was made available to us?
I mean, it took two years to get even the basic information out.
It took years to get the videos out of, you know, again, the insurrectionists conveniently being escorted and toured through by armed officers.
We have Christopher Wray a couple months ago saying, well, we can't release the videos because we had too many agents undercover.
Well, you had agents undercover that were armed in there, and yet you did nothing?
They just, they allowed literally an insurrection?
And it's happened just like you literally, if Trump went against Andy, you're literally
killing grandmothers.
You're literally doing that, Russell.
You know, it's insane.
But again, that's the point is these narratives are created.
They're weaponized at the time.
I guess this week we saw the Hunter Biden laptop be entered into evidence in his one
of you know what should be one of many.
But you know, I'm sure he'll get off because that's the way the system is designed right
now.
But it was entered into evidence in his trial.
I mean, I was told by 52 high-ranking intelligence officers in the CIA that that was Russian disinformation.
You know how I knew it wasn't Russian disinformation?
Because, like, he didn't come out and say it was Russian.
Like, if that was my laptop and it wasn't true, I'd say that.
If it was my laptop and it was true, at the time, my father would have thrown me in Gitmo, and rightfully so.
I'd still be there.
I'd be in Gitmo right now, and that would have been right.
Of course it was accurate, and of course those 52 intelligence officers had no way of knowing, but it didn't stop them from weaponizing that.
You know, months later, when it started leaking and these things, you know, 17% of the American populace said that would have changed their vote away from Joe Biden, had they known that that was accurate, that we were that corrupted.
As we're, honestly, as we're possibly on the brink of World War III, with the world's largest nuclear superpower by volume of intercontinental ballistic missiles and warheads, Russia Are we making policy decisions?
That are simply influenced because one of our other enemies has more information about a kid that was corrupted and broken and taking all sorts of money for God knows what, for things he had no business actually making.
Like, our media is not even asking that question, Russell.
Like, are we possibly getting ourselves into World War III because this administration is acting to further cover up other things?
Like, maybe they are, maybe they're not.
But the fact that we're not even asking, like, is it a possibility?
Of course.
Like, I look at all of the America last decisions that we see from the Biden, whether it's energy, whether it's this, whether it's the dealings from China, you know, bringing down our strategic petroleum reserves and cutting off American energy.
I'm like, not one of these things is good for America.
Could they be done because there's undue influence?
And given all of the information that's out there, given all of the shade, you know, if that was my laptop, it would be a problem.
It wouldn't just be someone struggling with addiction.
Yes.
Like, you know, it would be a serious issue.
It'd be non-stop news.
I know that because I saw what happened in Russia, Russia, Russia, and that was one thing.
There are dozens of things and, you know, just absolute crickets.
And, you know, I think that in and of itself is, you know, sort of enough to make everyone question, like, what's the, you know, whatever level of disdain you have for sort of mainstream media, it is not enough.
It's extraordinary actually that both you and Hunter Biden are in the public eye at the same time as it offers us an additional barometer to see how the different stories are covered in different sections of the media.
I'm well aware of what happened immediately prior to the revelation of that story, the lengths to which deep state agencies went to ensure that it was handled correctly and not handled at all, and the level of censorship that was enacted and that it's one of the events
that enables us to see that not only has legacy media long been controlled by deep
state forces but there are obviously significant attempts and successes in controlling social
media platforms as well Don.
One of the things I query sometimes having had a Donald Trump term is
that when Donald Trump campaigned very successfully on and I would say in a way
that reached a lot of people emotionally that you know this is one of the times
where I was watching I was thinking yeah this is what needs to happen you do need to
drain the swamp you do need to control the institutions that prevent there
being democracy I agree with Mike Benz's analysis that when people say democracy
now for example talking about Ukraine they don't mean the electoral process by
which a population... There's suspended elections in Ukraine.
They banned religious institutions. Gonzalo Lira dies in that prison.
I think it's such a deep tragedy that Gonzalo Lira died in prison and that the Ukrainian people are dying in such considerable numbers when it appears that there could be a diplomatic solution simply by withdrawing their level of support.
But there's no money in peace, Russell.
That's the point.
If my father was in there, he gets people at the table.
The way to get people at the table is threaten that withdrawal of the money.
As long as the generals and the people who are actually not at risk at all on the front lines in Ukraine are making millions, they're pilfering the money.
We've seen that, right?
We donated money to a city, but it disappeared magically, right?
Every time the Ukrainians shoot down a Russian jeep, Right?
It's an incredible victory for Ukraine.
If they lose a quadrant of a country to Russia, it was a strategic withdrawal.
We see what's happening in real time, and what's really scary is it literally feels like a sanctioned genocide of, frankly, both Ukrainians and Russians.
We're just going to send a bunch of Eastern Europeans to die as cannon fodder, and as long as the guys in charge get rich and aren't really at risk, it's going to go in perpetuity.
It's been two years and we have not been told, like, what does victory look like?
Is it, like, just the entire genocide of the Russian population?
Is it Ukraine taking over Russia?
Is it just going back to neutral?
No one's even said that yet, and yet we'll fund it, you know, as though it's, you know, the greatest cause in the world, and it doesn't resonate with the people.
I go around, I speak in front of a lot of Republicans around the world, certainly the country, and I think I've done an in-person live survey in front of thousands of people at a time, probably about 60,000, 65,000 people in total over the last two years.
Live audience.
Hey, is it a top three issue?
Zero people have raised their hand.
Not a top three issue, Ukraine.
Is it top ten?
Three people.
One happened to be from Kiev.
I gave him a pass.
One was a guy that's tied to the sort of military-industrial complex, so of course he was getting rich off of it.
And another misunderstood the question.
He thought it was a double negative, and it was not important.
But, so, two people out of 65,000 people thought it was a top ten issue.
Yes.
And yet, you know, Washington DC, it's a number one issue for both sides and they're going to fund it ad nauseam because they're all getting rich.
And do you think that that is the type of, is that, because if there is so much deep state power and global power and power being deployed by global agencies, you know, if this is really a war that is governed by or at the behest of military industrial complex interests and NATO policy, then is it something that, you know, when Donald Trump said we could just leave NATO or we can stop funding NATO, do you think that that is the case?
And in recent interviews Donald Trump said, like, you know, I'll release the 9-11 files, I'll release the JFK files.
When in office are those things able to happen or are the various institutional interests too restrictive to prevent that kind of thing?
Well, I think they're gonna go all out to prevent it, right?
You just have to, you know, the reality is you need someone with the resolve to do that.
I don't, you know, if we had a bench of people that I thought could actually do that, that would be wonderful.
It'd be much easier than getting back into this.
I think, right now, my father's the only guy that can actually stand up to that, and I think...
Perhaps why the level of attack now is so much more aggressive, so much more ridiculous, frankly, but is that coming in as an outsider, it's sort of hard to figure that out, right?
The plum book, which is the book of 4,000 jobs essentially appointed by the president, like, you come in as an outsider, 4,000 jobs, like, you can find five maybe of people that you like, and then 4,000 that, well, I think, I guess he's, you know, I guess he's on our team.
Who knows?
You know, currency, it's not like business.
You sort of understand in business what everyone's motivation is, whether it's money or success or what.
You get that.
In DC, you know, someone could be on board with everything that you're doing, but they'll snake you to get a favor from a reporter who he's working on some sort of other.
It's just, it's a lot more nebulous.
And so, you know, I think the fear of Trump is that now that he's got four years, now that he understands those workings, now that he understands who can be trusted and who can't, Uh, that notion scares them much more because I think he can be much more effective in the second term than he ever could have in a first, especially when you consider the sort of, you know, the first two years were occupied by Russia, Russia, Russia, maybe first three years.
And then the last year occupied by COVID.
I mean, they threw everything at him and yet our economy flourished.
You know, job numbers were going up, lowest income earners were getting real wage growth.
I mean, success after success after success, and that's before you get to peace in the Middle East, yada, yada, yada.
I mean, he had a pretty amazing track record when you consider that he was up against arguably insurmountable forces that, you know, that no other president, right or left, has ever faced to do, you know, the basic duties of the duly elected president of the United States.
Hey Don, Robert De Niro's fear, as well as the fear of the legacy media, is that if Trump gets another term, he will never leave office, he will declare himself dictator for life.
Is this just hyperbole?
It seems to be outside of the constitution, it seems to be absolutely unprecedented.
With all due respect, your father is an older gentleman, it seems like... You know how I know that wouldn't happen?
Go on.
It didn't happen the first time.
It didn't happen the first time.
You know, this time, he's going to do it this way.
He didn't do it last time, but he's going to... It's so ridiculous.
And there's powers that would never happen anyway, right?
I think we've seen very clearly that, you know, the powers of the presidency can be limited, and are, and can frankly be manipulated.
They took what was the most powerful man in the world on paper at the time, and they threw him off of social media, and effectively canceled him, and lied about him, and have tried to jail him, and find him You know, half a billion dollars for paying back banks on time because he was actually a businessman, you know, prior to getting into that world.
I mean, it's so asinine, not because it's just asinine in general, but because we actually have evidence, similar to we have evidence of four years under this regime, and then four years under my father, and you can compare those things.
We know what's happened when his time was up in his first term.
I was on the plane with him.
We flew down to Mar-a-Lago.
We came down here.
I came back to my house.
That was it.
All of a sudden, it's going to be magically different.
How many times are we going to fall for this?
It's going to be magical.
Apparently MAGA people drove it.
I would say that was a supportive... Yeah, this area is very MAGA.
The jet ski seemed keen as well.
We may have to do it later on.
All right, I'm up for that.
Don, thank you so much because it's been a very sort of a lucid appraisal about some of the bigger picture issues.
that pertain to the power that I fear most, which is a kind of global corporatist power.
And my own slow thawing around this issue has been based on if institutional power,
both judicial and media, detests this man so deeply while people appear to adore him,
at least 50% of the population of your country, then something unusual is happening.
Because I don't trust institutional power.
I don't trust technocrats and bureaucrats and technological feudalists.
So for me, it's like an opportunity to look at, well, where are the points of alliance?
And what does freedom and democracy look like in 2024?
By the way, take it further.
Look at Joe Biden.
I mean, he almost collapsed on the stage yet again today.
Did that happen today?
Yeah, at a D-Day anniversary celebration, he almost keeled over.
Does anyone actually believe... So that's the guy you elect?
You think that's the guy that's actually in power?
You don't think there's institutions as the marionette of this guy who can't find his way off a stage?
Not once, but daily.
If this was happening to Trump...
He's in the later stages of dementia and Alzheimer's combined.
He's clearly 25th Amendment.
We must get him out.
Joe Biden, he's very competent, folks.
We've got to stop this.
I mean, it can't be.
No one actually believes that.
And yet, there is a power that is controlling it.
It is doing these things randomly.
He's signing off on whatever it is, the policies that have failed our country for the last four years.
That's pretty apparent, as evidenced by the economy, by wars, however you want to look at it.
So what's going on?
It's scary.
I mean, it's scary times.
Something extraordinary is happening that creates alliances like this.
And there are also ulterior powers in this household, and I'm talking about the great force that is Kim Guilfoyle, who will be joining us after this at Don Trump Jr.
Thank you so much for joining us.
I've really enjoyed our conversation.
We're going to be talking later on my show, so we get to reverse the roles a little bit.
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I don't know where you'll be.
I'm wondering if you're going to watch the conversation.
Am I going to see you whiz by in a jet ski?
I may just do the jet ski, just, you know, feeling a little American right now.
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Thank you so much for having me in your home.
What a pleasure!
Did you watch the interview?
Yeah, it was pretty good.
I think we did really rather well.
We found numerous areas of complete alignment and agreement.
Your hospitality so far has been incredible.
Someone went by on a boat and hooted their horn and stuff.
Right, they love it.
They go by here and, you know, they have all flags, everything.
They yell, they go on the microphone, they go, Don Jr., Kimberly Guilford, we love you.
And then they say a few things about Biden.
Ah yes, yes, I'm thinking that the Brandon comment might come flying out.
I wanted to ask you, as you've previously worked within the judiciary.
Yes.
You've worked within legacy and mainstream media.
That's true.
Both of those institutions now appear to be in various ways captured and utilised, I would say, for political purpose.
When you were working within both of those institutions, did you feel that they were ethical and reliable institutions?
Do you think that there has been a radical decline and decay?
Do you think that they've been co-opted and captured?
Or do you think there's always been corruption in media and always been corruption within the judiciary?
It's an excellent question.
I, in fact, gave a speech on it yesterday in Alabama when we were having a fundraiser
for President Trump.
And for me, it's such a personal experience.
I have such a visceral response to it because, as you said, I've worked as a prosecutor,
a job in a position that I took very seriously, taking an oath to uphold the law, to apply
the law and the facts and the evidence together without any arbitrariness, without capriciousness,
really serve, you know, justice.
And I felt really good about what I was doing.
And now I almost feel ashamed that I was even part of something
that has now become, I believe, so corrupt and has fallen so far from the mantle of what
it was supposed to be about equal justice for all and not using it as a means and a weapon
of political persecution.
I believe now more than ever, and I'm sure it's naive to assume that there wasn't some corruption,
bias, et cetera, all along.
But now it's really been weaponized.
It's really been, I think, fine-tuned to the point where it is the chief weapon in politics for people to use
against their political opponents.
That's what I see now.
And we see it with the cases against President Trump.
It's unbelievable.
They're not even trying to hide it.
They're just using it.
You have people directly from the Biden administration.
One of the people that worked in his DOJ, Matthew Colangelo, came in to do the case in Alvin Bragg against President
Trump.
And you just say to yourself, why can't you play it out fairly at the ballot box and let the voters decide?
That's really the only verdict that should matter.
Not trying to use the system because you don't want to go against the political opponent.
Kim, even the phrase lawfare is an indication when a new, when a neologism appears, it's an indication that a new phenomena has appeared.
And I imagine, and I wonder what you think, that it might be because of the emergence of new types of media and new types of communication, a different type of politics is necessarily being born out of that.
We saw it sort of economically and in the world of commerce With the emergence of Napster and the collapse of the record industry, even though, of course, it's been subsequently reconfigured.
We saw it in the Arab Spring, where political organisation... And under Trump's first presidency and prior to that in his campaigning, this was someone who understood how to use social media to bypass the gatekeepers that, up until very recently, have been able to corral and control public opinion.
To be explicit, in your company, if I may, I'm not a person that's like... Our audience loves Donald Trump.
They love Donald Trump.
And I always say that I believe in freedom, I believe in freedom of choice, I believe in democracy, I believe in our ability to be sovereign and free individuals.
What I'm beginning to notice is that the emergence of this thing, lawfare, that you say the corruption of an institution that you took an oath to participate in, is the sense that if there's a new type of enemy, free speech, amplified, Creating dissidence of a level never before, creating the possibility for social change that could have never happened before.
You have to fight back with new weapons.
I felt it myself, that what happens is they will create a way to attack you, attack you, shut you down.
Like, cancellation is a recent phenomena.
Also, of course, there's always been public shaming and ostracization, but this new weaponization is, it seems to me, about controlling A central power force.
Centralised authority.
Now, when you worked inside media previously, I used to, like, joke about Fox.
I've seen you on Fox, remember?
We talked about it when we met that time.
I think you said that I was a disgusting, revolting, repugnant individual.
And I remember watching it.
I was single at that time, thinking...
That is the kind of person that I find very appealing.
That kind of contempt for me is the bare minimum I require.
I used to think of Fox, and I still think legacy media, I regard all of it as broadly speaking corrupt and the differences between the various outlets I imagine just are inflections based on historical relationships.
What do you think has happened to legacy media since the rise of social media and since the advent of platforms like Rumble, where all of us stream?
Well, I think in this moment, you know, in history, our freedoms specifically...
Free speech.
And in the U.S., the First Amendment, the right to be able to say what you think, what you believe, without fear of reprisal or cancellation.
I really believe in the marketplace of ideas.
That's why I love Rumble, because they don't tell me, or you, or Don Jr., or academics, or anyone else who's on there, what to say, what to think, what you're able to do.
And in legacy media, That's the case.
They tell you.
They have an editorial board.
They tell you stay away from this subject matter, that subject matter.
Now, to be fair, we had a lot of freedom on The Five, the show that I co-founded with my, you know, co-anchors, et cetera, that was very popular, and it was an opinion show.
But nevertheless, there were still parameters.
And what I love is for people to make up their own mind.
Hear all the different opinions.
Hear the thoughts.
And whether they're revolutionary or not, don't be afraid of discourse, of that rhetoric.
And I think that's when you really learn and open your mind and maybe think about something in a different way that you had never ever considered before.
That, to me, is what I think is the power of freedom of expression, of conversation, of that, you know, marketplace of ideas.
And in legacy media, you know, they'll be in there in the control room.
You'll get a call, you know, from the second floor or whatever, saying, what are they doing?
They can't talk about that, et cetera, et cetera.
And I really saw it developing in, you know, Fox.
And I've worked at CNN.
Oh, wow.
I've worked at ABC News, so I was regular on Good Morning America, CNN at night, exclusive at the time, prime time, to Larry King and Anderson Cooper, when we were covering all the big legal cases, and then my own show on Court TV, covering all the big legal cases and going live in the courtroom, and then over to Fox, yes.
I'm dating myself there with quite a long career.
But I just saw it being a place that I no longer really felt was being honest to itself in terms of what our goal and purpose and objective was supposed to be, which was to give the information to the public because they deserve to hear the truth.
Not something that's been manufactured or stifled, right?
And so if you don't feel true to your purpose of what you're intending to do about your passion, about connecting with an audience and really giving them, because people have a lot of time, you know, choice of what they can do with their time.
Yeah.
So you have to make it worthwhile.
So is it worthwhile if you're just reading from a script or you're just going by an editorial board?
No.
That's why shows like yours are so popular because they know that you're gonna tell them exactly what you think and feel and no one is trying to control you.
Your thought process, what you articulate, what you bring, the topics you want to discuss.
That's the beauty of what we do here at Rumble, for sure.
Yeah, only I'm trying to control me.
And how's that working out?
Not good!
Not going well, Kim.
One of the things that seems clear from what you've said just then is that there's a kind of patronising attitude towards people baked into censorship.
I don't like that.
Other than obvious examples for which there are already laws relating to ethics and morality and protecting vulnerable people, It doesn't seem that there should be a requirement for information for adults to be pre-packaged, pre-chewed, pre-conditioned.
And I don't buy anymore that the motivation behind it is protection.
I saw a recent speech by Obama at Stanford talking about the necessity to censor misinformation, malinformation.
And then at that same institution, Stanford, Jay Bhattacharya, one of the early outspoken voices
around the way the pandemic was handled, was censored at the height of the pandemic.
It was a very revealing period, I think, Kim, and I think it provided an opportunity
to bring a lot of people together, because I think it helped me certainly to recognize
that what I'd regarded as, inverted commas, the left, had been culturally co-opted by a set of institutions
that were not actually interested in individual freedom, and whilst claiming that they were motivated by compassion,
We're all only ever using compassion to assert control.
There's no trust in human beings, in human dignity, in our human impulses, in our ability to judge and evaluate our own relationships.
So many things being weaponized, but always with the same result, the prohibition and inhibition of personal freedom.
Can you imagine now that there might be alliances that you weren't previously thought of culturally?
Like, are you genuinely open-hearted to people that have a wide variety of lifestyles or religious affiliations or even political affiliations?
Yes.
Yeah, well I was born and raised in San Francisco, right, and it's a very diverse, you know, city, all different backgrounds, socioeconomic, whether it's religions, political beliefs, etc.
I served as First Lady of San Francisco.
I myself have always been conservative, but, you know, that's my viewpoint, my choice, my decision, and working as a prosecutor, but it doesn't mean that I'm not open to listening to other people's ideas.
That's how you grow.
And what I didn't like, and what you talked about, we were sort of on the precipice there, but what's happening with our society?
What's happening with, you know, this world we live in?
We saw it with COVID.
It was big exposure there of exactly what they were doing, trying to control everybody, telling you that you're not good enough to think for yourself, make decisions for yourself, your family, etc.
And it was just like a robot warfare against society, in my opinion, and really COVID exposed it.
And people like Fauci, just horrific what happened to the world.
And I feel especially bad for children that were deprived of proper socialization, that weren't able to go to school,
really felt isolated.
And I mean, a lot of children and people, you know, friends of mine,
their children really suffered during that time.
They can't take it back and it's terrible.
I'm just so sad that as a society we even allowed it to continue on and sort of proliferate in the way that it did.
And I also feel that there is like direct, you know, like co-conspirators with legacy media, you know, and you see them telling people lies, helping the government essentially, like their marketing arm, control people, control their thought process, their beliefs, and what they are willing to accept and what they are willing to tolerate.
This weaponization of the judiciary that we started with our discussion with Kim pertains very strongly to a breaking news story right now that Steve Bannon is to be jailed from July 1st.
Do you see that as a further example of the legal system being used to jail political opponents?
Yes, because if you don't bend to their will, and especially when they know what you're saying, you're getting information out there, and you're engaged in actual meaningful discourse, and really penetrating and getting through to the people, then you're a dangerous person.
And they will try to cancel you, they will try to silence you, and that's when you know you're right over the target.
And that's what's happened with Peter Navarro, with Steve Bannon, who has a powerful show that brings information out to the people, and standing up for his own rights and beliefs.
But they wanted to persecute him.
They wanted to persecute Peter Navarro.
So can you imagine that this is happening?
Yes, I can.
They're trying to do it to, you know, the former president of the United States.
Me?
Yeah.
In my country?
Everybody.
It's really a very unusual time to live in that you're supposed to, in each case, say there's an entirely separate legal, moral or ethical issue that's nothing to do with this coordinated media campaign and deployment of the judiciary in every single one of those cases.
And you're also invited to believe that the authorities that are using that power Yes.
And that they have a better and superior moral center and capacity to judge, decide, determine, dictate, and enforce better than anyone else.
So we're supposed to submit to the will of their decisions, their choices, what they decide for you, which I wholeheartedly reject.
Yeah, because in a sense, if you believe in God and that there are a set of values, that there is such a thing as right and wrong, that there is such a thing as freedom, then in a sense all else can flow from it.
But when you have this kind of materialistic, nihilistic, we spoke about it, Don Jr.
and I, he said there's been like the erection, he didn't use that word incorrectly Kim, erection of a pantheon, Of, uh, like, uh, sort of, um, human deities.
Like, you know, like, sort of Fauci was treated like a god during the pandemic period.
Like the, in a sense, it sort of covers up this, uh, amoral morass.
I don't trust the judiciary in the same way that I don't trust the media.
I don't trust the intentions of the government.
I've, I think that our best, what we ought to be aiming for is the maximum amount of power for individuals, the maximum amount of power for individual communities to self-govern.
and to be free so that you have true diversity and true freedom.
Very.
And whenever I see power aggregating, not only in countries but across the world.
If you take the example with like, crypto currencies, at the beginning it's like,
Bitcoin is bad, it's evil, it's bad for the environment, until they worked out they could do it and control people.
Then they like it.
So there's no morality.
No.
It's very dishonest.
It is very dishonest.
And that's the thing.
But if you don't fight back against it, and you have to have the courage, you have to have the, you know, will to do it.
Because it's not that easy.
It's easy to take a knee and say, okay, let them control, etc.
The alternative is they're gonna target you if you stand up and if you have a voice and if you reject what they have decided what their group think is best for of all society.
And that's what we've seen.
I mean over and over again.
And that's why I think it's very scary in dark times in fact that we live in when you see all the people that they're going after.
It sort of makes sense.
You see what their overall scheme is.
you see what their purpose and intention is.
Yeah.
And it doesn't come from a place of good morality or ethics or integrity or any kind of authenticity.
It's very specific, coordinated, and they just are not gonna stop until they keep going.
Like look at President Trump.
They wanna put him in jail, in jail.
And he has a sentencing coming up, no coincidence, right before
the Republican National Convention.
So yeah, either house arrest to sort of stymie stifle any ability to campaign or actual jail time.
It's pretty staggering and extraordinary to contemplate.
Some of those counts carry four years.
Talking about this sort of inability to maintain any, what do I want to say, any fidelity when it comes to principle.
When I was watching Marjorie Taylor Greene the other day with the Fauci takedown, I was wondering how her detractors would regard that, even though Marjorie Taylor Greene is perhaps a person that I wouldn't, outside of these issues, find natural affinity.
I thought, elsewhere, they would be saying, oh, this is an example of a powerful woman taking down the patriarchy.
But because in this instance, that doesn't fit that particular- Their narrative, right.
They will never use that.
They will not.
If they could, they would say, shut up, you shrill hat!
You know what I mean?
So there is no consistent moral value.
At the half of what they're doing.
It works if it's what they decide, and that's the bottom line.
Like, Marjorie Taylor Greene's a very... Yeah, you would like that.
She is a very courageous person.
She speaks her mind.
She doesn't say anything that she doesn't believe.
She may offend people by some of the things she says, but so be it.
Be offended.
It's your right to be offended.
It's your right to want to listen to her or not listen to her.
That's the bottom line.
She just called me when I was on the plane yesterday, and she was talking about what happened and what she was doing.
She takes this very seriously.
Like, this is her passion in life, but they're always trying to destroy and cancel her as well, and demonize her.
Like you said, if she was, you know, AOC on the other side, oh, anything goes, she's taking down the patriarchy, this is fantastic, bravo.
But it's quite different if it doesn't suit their own ideology, partisan needs, or, you know, how they want to weaponize against her, or anybody that has viewpoints that are different.
And it's quite a stark juxtaposition.
Yes, it's stark.
And I was thinking that there is this sort of chaotic moral fluidity.
And a democracy, and even a nation, requires a kind of sense that it is boundaried.
And I wonder, approaching this election, There is the sense that the electoral process is supposed to be the ability, and it seems to me that two parties isn't really enough to choose between, but at least you're supposed to be able to choose between two parties.
And it seems to me that your sense, Kim, is that that process is being significantly disrupted, and by the time we get to November, do you think that there's a realistic possibility that the election won't take place in the way that it customarily would?
Yes, nothing would surprise me at this point based on what we have seen, right?
You have to pay attention to what has transpired, try to digest it, examine it, to understand what's coming forward in the future.
I wouldn't be surprised if the elections are called off.
I wouldn't be surprised if they put President, you know, Trump in jail before the convention or tried to do something of that nature.
None of it, I think, is off limits for them.
I think they've shown what they are capable of doing And what they are comfortable with doing, which is they shut down the world essentially, right?
With COVID, they were totally fine with that.
So if they're willing to do something like that on a global level, what are they willing to do for a U.S.
election, etc., of something that they believe of consequence because they feel what they're doing is right and that they can decide and have a better determination of what's good for all of us.
That's what this is about.
They want to stop Trump.
Yeah, and the way that they amplify crisis, even if you take it that a crisis has taken place, they seem to use crisis to legitimize authority.
So it's the potential for martial law, or further social restriction, or restrictions on communication.
All of those things, like you say, don't appear to be off the table.
Because they'll use any of that to stop an election, whether it's a climate issue, whether it's some global issue, some war, et cetera, et cetera, to try to stop it.
And it just depends, because they have to see whether they're successful now in terms of the lawfare, right?
And the multiple cases over and over again against President Trump.
He's had some wins, and I ultimately believe, as a former prosecutor and examining all these cases, they will be reversed, ultimately, but it'll have to probably go up to the United States Supreme Court to do so.
Because there's so much baked in corruption along the way in terms of the venues.
The selections of the venues are very specific, very coordinated, designed to inflict maximum impact against the president with a very biased jury, biased judge.
I mean, and we saw that with all of these cases, you know, excessive fines, jail time, all of the above.
Can you imagine for a moment if you flip this and they were going after Barack Obama?
Can you imagine?
And trying to put him in jail for all of these years and using all these different cases and going to his house and authorizing lethal and deadly force in a search for documents.
Could you imagine that?
Yeah, and also occasionally I zoom back and think there has been no significant criminalization after engagement in wars that were commenced under duplicitous circumstances.
Where is our moral barometer where all of these trials are taking place, yet when it
comes to the Iraq war, to take just one example, there has been no legal reckoning.
But in fact, the repackaging of George W. Bush, and increasingly I wonder how significant
the personalities are, but as a kind of avuncular figure or a sort of a friendly Republican
it's okay to like.
And even Dick Cheney, I mean it just seems like, like just extraordinary to me.
No, you're absolutely right.
But wouldn't you think that that would be something of incredible focus?
That it should actually be examined and there should be repercussions?
For actually creating and manufacturing wars that shouldn't have occurred?
Yeah.
And for the loss of human life?
I mean, what price is there to pay for people that do this and orchestrate this behind this?
It's unbelievable to me.
Yeah, it seems like there were moral crises, geopolitical crises, war, people struggling to buy groceries, fuel and energy crises, all sorts of it.
And the entire media sphere is being dominated by the demonization Of a person who, even in the worst appraisal, is not as terrifying for democracy as what is already being augured through technocracy and bureaucracy and controlling freedom in order to protect us either from speech or protect us from health crises or protect us from whatever they need to do to legitimize authority.
Yeah, and I don't want to be protected.
I want to decide.
Yeah.
I'm fine with making my own decisions for me, for my family, for our children, all of the above.
I want them to stay out of my business.
Yeah.
They don't know better, in fact, and they have no good intentions.
Yeah, and I think the only way you can overwhelm that perspective of, like, I'll take care of my own life, thanks, is by ensuring that people are, like, terrified the whole time by creating a climate of fear, by creating a climate of division, and by preventing people trying to come together and generate opportunities for unity and new alliance.
So I think it's...
Not only did I enjoy our conversation, I think it's culturally significant and very important.
Yes, it's true.
It's true.
And you know, just real quick, my background, though.
Oh, yeah.
My parents met and fell in love.
Must have been a great night when they had me.
I would hope so.
I think so.
In San Francisco.
My father was born in Ireland, in Ennis and County Clare.
And then my mother was born in Aguadilla in Puerto Rico.
that they came from different parts of the world, met, fell in love, but found that they had
so many different things in common and that they enjoyed each other's company.
And I think that's the beauty of this country is that you have the exposure to be able to meet people
from all different walks of life, all different backgrounds, different religions, et cetera.
And I wanna keep it that way.
I like that.
To me, it's interesting and it's compelling and it's what makes a life and living in this country great.
So I fight very hard to create.
to protect and preserve that because I really believe in it.
And I want people to be able to provide for their families and live their American dream and not be controlled
and told what to do, who you can talk to, who you can marry, what religion you can have.
To me, that stifles expression, let people enjoy and be who they are.
We've got people from all different kinds of backgrounds in San Francisco, which is fantastic, it's eclectic.
I think California's gone downhill, unfortunately, in terms of quality of life and public safety,
which upsets me greatly.
But other than that, you know, there's great people there.
Kim, thank you very much for being a living embodiment of the diversity and the significance of the American experiment.
Part Puerto Rican, part Irish, all American.
Thank you very much for that conversation.
I'm coming on your show, first your show, I think, in a couple of hours, and then Don.
So stay with us on Rumble.
Me and Don Jr.
are going to smoke cigars.
You're very welcome to join us for that, of course.
And then I'll be on Don Jr.' 's show on Rumble, and then I'll be appearing on Kim's show.
Shut down your entire life, is essentially what I'm saying.
Shut it down, yes.
And focus solely.
Russell Palooza, that is what is happening.
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