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June 3, 2024 - Stay Free - Russel Brand
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Trump Trial Fallout: So THIS Is What’s Next For America - with Dave Rubin
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In this video, you're going to see the future.
Hello there, you awakening wonders.
Thanks for joining me for a very special edition of Stay Free with Russell Brand.
As you can plainly see, I'm on the set of the Rubio Report.
In fact, I'm looking at Dave, trying to leave the room now, while I'm doing my opening link.
We've got an incredible show.
Wouldn't it be amazing if I didn't interview Dave Rubin?
Well, plainly, in Dave Rubin and the Rubin Report's Fantastic Homestead, I'm going to be talking to Dave about American culture.
Of course, we're talking about the Trump verdict.
We're talking about how to heal the fractures that are appearing across the right and whether or not we can all unify in our opposition towards globalist centralised authority and the significance of the Trump trial in that dynamic.
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But without further ado, a conversation that I think you're going to very much enjoy with Dave Rubin.
If my shirt gets a little too undone, you'll understand why that might have been if you've watched Dave's content before.
Dave, we appear to be at a pivotal moment of transition where our trust in institutions of authority is falling apart.
We need only look at what appears to be a seismic event, the verdict in the Trump trial, 34 convictions.
Do you think it's possible or even likely that Trump will be jailed?
And do you think this will become a catalytic event in this, what appears to be again, the
sort of dissolution of America?
Well I now do think it's likely he will be jailed.
Really?
I think it's almost impossible that he won't be, in a weird way, because think about it.
So he gets 34.
They got him on 34 of 34.
Let's put aside whether any of it was legit, which I largely don't think it was, whether it was fixed because the DA was a Soros DA, and that they basically set up the entire system to get this guy, and it's on charges that no one else has been brought against, and all the rest.
Put all of that aside.
34 of 34 charges, right, they hit him with.
And now the judge has until July 11th.
And it's just up to the judge.
The judge is the one that sets the sentencing.
I did some checking on this because I was like, I think I know that.
But I asked a couple of my friends who are legal scholars.
It is simply up to the judge right now.
So that one man can basically decide what to do.
So he could Basically say to Trump, OK, you know what?
It was a while ago.
You're running for president.
It doesn't seem good for the country if we throw you in jail.
So we'll just fine you or you can't do business in New York anymore or something like that.
But I don't think he's going that route.
They just presided over this thing for six weeks, eight weeks.
And I think he's going to look at it and now think that he's the hero in the story.
And how do we end Trump?
We end Trump by putting him in jail.
Even if you only put him in jail for two months, you know what I mean?
Like you just do something that furthers the thing.
Like for all the stuff that you and I talk about that we're trying to Make the world a little bit better or make people understand the stuff a little bit to the extent that we can.
It's like the stuff pretty much gets worse all the time, right?
Like not everywhere.
In some places it doesn't.
You said to me right before we started that you were thinking about moving to Florida.
It's like it's working here on a day-to-day basis.
That's why everyone that comes into my studio here, they say the same exact thing.
I'm thinking about moving to Florida.
The thing can work.
But largely the system has just been getting worse and worse and worse.
And I think at this point, because there's been, maybe you can think of one, I can't think of one, one moment in the last couple years as it's pertained to all the big stories, where suddenly things got a lot better.
You know what I mean?
Where we didn't just continue on that path of, oh, everyone's so crazy, right?
Everyone every day.
It's so crazy.
How's the news?
It's so crazy.
It's nuts.
And then it's like two weeks later, it's nuttier.
It's never like, oh, it did sort of get back to normalcy.
We stopped pretending that boys are girls or whatever the other things are.
Now, there are pockets where that is happening properly.
Again, this place where we kicked a lot of the woke stuff out of schools and everything else, but at a national or even I guess global sense, it seems to the energy is just the
entropy of it is that it'll get worse and worse. So this it seems to me that the story of Trump,
like you've been talking about your own story and your own journey and all that, that the story he's
on is now he is going to end up in jail.
I don't know what that does to the political part of all of this.
I sense it's going to rightfully enrage a whole bunch of people.
And I don't know where that puts us as a country.
And as you said before, half the people believe one thing, half the people believe another thing.
How do we arbitrage those situations?
But I see almost no way about it around it.
And the other part, I don't know if you know this, but you know, when they appeal this thing, It gets appealed to the Supreme Court of New York, obviously not to the Supreme Court of the United States.
The Supreme Court of New York has five black female judges.
Now I don't judge anyone based on the color of their skin or on their gender.
However, it is virtually, someone ran the numbers on this and one of my guys can correct me, it's virtually impossible statistically to have a court makeup of five black women.
You know what I mean?
So DEI and diversity did get these women, at least some of them, the job.
So then you have to think, did they all start, did they all kind of think the same thing?
And did they think judicially the same thing?
And that they all kind of think the same thing about Trump.
What a horrible thing to have to think about that just because of someone's skin color and gender that but so you can basically assume that if it when it gets to appeal, because they're obviously going to appeal it, the appeal will be denied.
And then you can basically assume that the judge is going to throw him in jail.
And by the way, I hope I'm wrong about all of that.
I hope someone will watch this in two months and be like, ah, Rubin really screwed that one up.
Visibly, the Supreme Court point, I suppose the argument that has been made out of progressivism is if there's five white men in their 60s that are presumably heterosexual, that you could make a comparable argument, although demographically it's different because of the makeup of the country would, you know, Aside from that small point, I feel like...
I feel that we're in a kind of Tolkien-esque moment, where things have become mythically significant, and I don't see how this can lead to anything other than further despair.
And I recognise that you made a good point, even though you're aware of all of the various rationalist intellectuals that have come out saying, don't be ridiculous, the Second World War was a disaster, and more people than ever before have been pulled out of poverty.
There are a lot of people who can create statistics Make you feel like, oh actually no, everything's great.
It doesn't feel like that.
It does feel that we're in a period where, and one of the trends I'm observing is that significant events appear to be geared towards legitimizing more measures of authority.
And this to me seems like I wouldn't be at all surprised if we saw more martial law, more demands for lockdown.
How do you feel about that as an idea?
Oh, I think you're completely right.
Look what you and I, just telling people what we think.
And we have various points of agreement and disagreement.
I think over the years, at least from the way I've known you, or for the years that I've known you, I think we've come together on a lot of things, but I'm sure we're not together on everything.
And by the way, as you know, that is completely irrelevant for a friendship and everything else.
Um, but if you think about the things that you've been censored for, why did we both end up working with rumble?
I mean, why did I create locals that ultimately merge with rumble?
Why did you, when you started talking about this stuff more and being more outwardly, uh, being more outward about your political views, why did you go towards rumble?
It was because of free speech.
Was it because you were saying anything crazy?
Were you saying anything racist or bigoted or anything else?
Why did you just spend a year of your life being attacked by a system?
Why did the system look at you and be like, I've got to attack him?
Well, it was because you were saying true things, right?
I mean, it's, it's not much more complex than that.
Um, to whatever extent that I've been saying true things, it's the same story and it's obviously not just us.
Why does, I mean, the, the picture that you pointed out that we keep from the New York times right there, that's a front page, uh, New York Sunday, New York times where they called me and Jordan Peterson and Milton Friedman, Ben Shapiro and a couple of other people, Thomas soul, the heads of the alt right.
So I love that right there, because it shows what fabricated nonsense they've been throwing at us forever.
But your question was about, does this all lead to more authoritarian systems?
And of course the answer is yes.
I mean, Canadian truckers, ask them about what happened to them.
You know, all they did was say, hey, can we go to work?
can we put some food on our family's table? And Justin Trudeau literally shut down bank accounts.
So, you know, froze bank accounts for these people and then they didn't have anything. I mean,
and that's just the test. To me, what it seems like we're going through is just a series of tests.
Can we silence a certain set of people online?
And yeah, if you're not as popular as Russell Brand, can they delete your account and no one will ever hear of you again because you have no other means to get the word out there?
Of course they can do that.
So what can we do with a guy like Russell Brand?
Well, with Russell Brand, maybe we'll demonetize his YouTube channel.
That might curb him in a certain way, because then he goes, well, I have to put food on the table.
Sure, I've got a lot, but, you know, I'm still allowed to make a living doing what I do.
So I won't talk about those topics that they don't want us to.
That was, again, largely why I started Locals and Rumble in the first place.
I could just see that coming down the road.
You know, I started my YouTube channel in, I think, 2013.
So I've been in the game long enough to see where it was all happening.
You could talk about this and nobody would see your videos.
You talk about that and then a lot of people see your videos.
And then you start, you know, it's a little bit like...
I don't know, it's like Tom Cruise in Minority Report.
You start seeing the map in front of you.
And so that's what led me here to create all this and everything else and then be connected with people like you.
But if you look at freezing of bank accounts, if you look at what we now know through Twitter files is government and big tech collusion to silence people, one of my tweets was on the list.
I mean, Congressman Jim Jordan literally went, they had a congressional hearing talking about who they've censored and I was on there.
So the government Worked with big tech to censor me.
You don't get anything.
You know that you don't get, you don't get a 50 bucks.
You don't get a letter.
You get, Jim Jordan said that to me at the Capitol.
He said, we don't, you don't get any, nobody apologizes.
You don't get a handshake from the janitor.
You get nothing.
But the point is in terms of control, well, if they can control your bank account, which is also why they're trying to get us more towards a central bank currency, digital currency, and they can control what you say.
And they can basically be looking at your phone.
And again, some of this is conspiratorial in that we don't know exactly what they're doing.
Are they looking at your phone every day?
Are they listening to every one of your phone calls?
I don't know.
I don't know.
And again, it's who's they and all of that stuff.
But any thinking person knows that we, and this goes to what we were talking about before, that tension between old world and new world, we've been given all these unbelievably powerful tools.
We have the freaking world in our pocket.
Everyone is walking around with that.
Everyone that you know is walking around with that phone in their pocket and can get access to everything good and bad like that.
That is an unbelievable power.
But with, you know, if I could quote Uncle Ben from Spider-Man, you know, with great power comes great responsibility.
And I think the powers that be I've not been very responsible in how they deal with it.
So I see more authoritarianism on the rise.
But David B. Goliath, that's the last thing I'll say on it.
David B. Goliath.
So we will win.
You know, the human spirit always wins.
That's the point.
The little guy can always beat the big guy.
I fundamentally believe that.
And for you, as you're having your, that's an Old Testament story, but you know, as you're having your journey, Like, that's fundamentally true.
And if I didn't believe that, I don't know that I could do this.
Because then it's like, can you beat Google?
You could beat Google?
What the hell are you talking about?
It's crazy.
In my read the Bible in a year daily analysis, it said, you know, with the David and Goliath story, sometimes you feel like it's so big, how can I win?
But it must become, it's so big, how can I miss?
In the end, you have to make that transition.
I was thinking The Death Star had one little hole and Luke figured it out.
They've got to stop building them with that.
Stupid, stupid.
So I was wondering, like when you talked about the Canadian truckers, another one of the movements that appears to be defining the tension that exists on a global level is the agricultural and farming movement.
It's one of the ways that I am able to track, it seems, without too much study, that something is happening.
appears that there's an attempt at a global level to control food. These ideas of control
and citizen management, you've already mentioned CBDC, you've mentioned surveillance, we've
not yet touched upon the extraordinary number of laws that are being passed across the world
that grant more ability to censor and control. I was pleased to see that the WHO treaty was
defeated, I think in some part due to the ongoing opposition that it received in spaces
like this one.
But embedded within it was essentially the ability to oppose all the things that they may have regarded as having gone wrong during the pandemic.
An increased ability to censor, the ability to impose lockdowns, the ability to take domestic taxation and reroute it to the WHO.
And I wonder how you feel, Dave, about just the general sense that national sovereignty is being surpassed, that power is migrating upwards, that censorship appears to be such an important component of it.
And I wonder, you've said just then that from a spiritual and indeed biblical perspective you feel optimistic.
How do you imagine these movements might coalesce?
How are they to coalesce when there is so much cultural division?
That even when in recent months, in particular since the Middle Eastern conflict flared up again, there's been division in spaces where there was starting to be consensus.
How are we gonna truly manage To have consensus among people that don't agree on everything.
How can we achieve that when there seem to be so many minds going off throughout the culture?
I mean, it's basically like the unanswerable question to some extent, because you're basically like, what's the meaning of life in some way?
Because it's getting groups of people, individuals first and then groups of people, to be like, oh, there's something good here that we can maybe share and build together and do something Beyond all of us?
It's the ultimate question, right?
So putting aside that it's an impossible question, I can give you like some granular stuff, I suppose.
I mean, first off, I think one good thing that we're seeing right now, we're seeing this largely in Europe, is that Europeans, because of the craziness of the way immigration was done over the last decade or so, and just letting all of these people in, And not understanding that you're going to have to give these people certain things and that the people who are job earners and everything might feel that their taxes are suddenly not being used for them, but for other people.
It's there's all sorts of strife in Europe.
I mean, you definitely have it in the UK, but it's obviously it's in Belgium.
It's in Italy now.
It's in Spain.
It's everywhere.
I think that the reason I describe that as something good is that people are realizing that Spain exists for a reason.
Spaniards are realizing that.
The UK exists for a reason.
Ireland exists for a reason.
All of these countries exist for a reason.
There's a reason for the nation-state.
The United States exists for a reason.
We are not Canada.
We share a border with Canada and we share a lot of values with Canada.
But we're not. If you're an American, you have laws that are applicable to you and you hopefully
have a commonality enough with those laws that you're not here to burn it down. I think what
we now have are an awful lot of people in an awful lot of countries that don't seem to like
the countries they're in. But the counter to that is that people are realizing, oh, if you live in
the West, if you live in any of the countries that I just named, most of Western Europe and
America and Canada, even Mexico, like you live in a pretty great place that is counter to the way
way humans have lived for a long, long time.
And I think that the more people realize that, like here for an American perspective, we've been watching about seven or 10 million illegals come in in three years.
Now, it doesn't matter, put aside skin color, put aside religion or anything else, any system, you can't just have an unlimited flood of people come into it, an unlimited flood.
You just have no idea if 1% of these people are bad or what it's going to do to the system, right?
But we had it happening, finally, because of online shows, people started waking up to it and now it's a national topic.
And suddenly people are talking about it again and saying, oh, we should have sovereign borders.
So that's a long, meandering way of saying that all of the stuff that sounds insane, that we're dealing with all the time, that boys can magically turn into girls, or that schools should be allowed to call children by different names without telling the parents, all this stuff that no one in their right mind thinks is right, or that we should judge people by the color of their skin, because that's the way the entire DEI system works.
Enough people, I think, now are getting to the point where they're ready to do something about it.
Will they do something about it?
I don't know.
Will it be national?
Will it be worldwide?
I don't know.
And the challenges, by the way, will be very different in every country.
One of the beautiful things about America is that we have integrated everybody way better, even than the UK.
We have integrated everybody from every part of the world to put aside their ancient hatreds and be part of the melting pot here.
It's fraying a little bit right now.
It really is.
You can feel it.
But I do believe that if we could just sell freedom properly, Which we used to do.
America in the 80s sold freedom.
Doesn't mean we did everything perfectly.
But Reagan knew how to sell the idea of freedom.
That's the thing that unites all of us.
So, it's a long way of saying there's a lot of bad stuff happening, but the bad stuff leads to the wake up and maybe we're on our way.
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The aspect of wokeism and progressivism that I like is this, compassion, the idea that-
Let's see how many we can do together.
I'll go with you on compassion.
I really like compassion.
Not as the number one thing though, right?
At the apex of your hierarchy, right?
No, I'm just saying things like, if I'm looking at an ideology and saying, what is it that I agree with?
I agree with being compassionate.
I agree with interrogating and investigating unconscious biases and And investigating and interrogating institutions in order that you might find assumptions there that are not ever correctly being addressed.
Now I think that that could be done ad infinitum to the point of a massive unraveling and what you unravel you may not be able to put back together again and you may not have a better idea to replace it.
Right, it's like the house is burning down and you're staring at the dust bunny in the corner focused on that.
It's like, guys, Yeah, potentially you could become a little drawn into the specificity of something.
One of the things I think is interesting here is that When people present arguments around immigration, the assumption always was, for me, that coming from a country like Britain, with an imperial colonial past, as well as the many wonderful things Britain has done, you know... Don't forget the wonderful things, yeah.
The tea, oh no, that was India.
The Beatles, we made that while the rock and roll came from you lot.
Come on, come on, don't go too far down that road, because that road will not lead you anywhere, you know what I mean?
What I feel like is that the assumption was that the reason for immigration... People are honest about certain economic requirements and a requirement for people to be tasked with certain social roles.
But there was always this sense, particularly in modern arguments around immigration, that it's undergirded by compassion, that we have a duty and an obligation.
But now, knowing what I've come to understand in the post-pandemic era, like where, for example, the reason for the lockdowns and the medications and the social controls was similarly supposed to be compassion and the sanctity of life, and I don't buy those arguments from the establishment anymore.
So now I don't believe that those arguments are being deployed anywhere.
I always feel that there is a secondary motivation that is being concealed.
So, if people are saying that, you know, the reason for immigration is either economic, we need the labour, or, you know, a duty that America or Western countries have because of their colonial or imperial past, if that is not the reason, do you ever entertain some of the, you know, for example, displacement theory that is about sort of providing alternative labour, or I've even heard the ideas that seem Pretty extraordinary that fight in age males are being imported in large numbers and that there could be some almost insurrectionist event.
And also if you start there, these are the kind of things that will get you dubbed or right.
These are the kind of things that will get you a strike.
These are the kind of things There are that way you feel adjacent to racism although of course you wouldn't necessarily be there would be a right racial dynamic necessarily to those categories so how do you assess that and what do you know if immigration isn't because of economic reasons or you know if the economic reasons of flood the labor market?
Well I think very simply if anyone in their right mind thinks what's going on on our border right now where we just have floods of people floods of people coming through if you think that has something to do with the compassion The compassion of the Democrats to make our workforce healthier, that's just like a psychotic notion.
It's interesting to me that you said that the COVID portion of compassion sort of allowed you to see the fakery around how they use compassion on other issues too.
Look, when it comes to the gender stuff, they do what Jordan calls the butchering,
I mean, genital mutilation of young girls, tell them that they're boys under the guise of compassion.
That doesn't seem very compassionate to me.
What would be compassionate is if you had a 12 year old who was confused or had issues around their gender identity,
what would be compassionate would be to give them the proper psychological help or figure out
what's going on at home and everything else.
And then I think you're probably aware I'm at on this as an adult if they wished to do something with their body
and be called a certain way, they could.
And by the way, if they then, as an adult, treated me with respect, I would treat them with respect and all of the rest of it.
But as it pertains to immigration, I don't see how anyone could think that this is anything other than intentional, what's going on here.
Because again, I said a few minutes ago that for all of you in Europe, that could go back 10 years.
I think most people in the UK, I mean, Brexit proved this already.
But I think it's even more significant now.
Most people in the UK would say, we can't let in a million people.
It doesn't matter if we've done some things wrong and the British Empire existed and everything else.
Most people in Germany, Germany for sure.
I mean, Angela Merkel even admitted it a couple of years ago.
She let in about a million and a half people and then it destroyed their social services.
They have a new strife on the streets, a racial tension, which Germany obviously has a history of that, which didn't go well.
When I hear Joe Biden or any of these people talk about immigration, It either feels very intentional.
I mean, Elon Musk has talked about this a bit that, you know, in essence, they're trying to bring in new voters.
And then, of course, the other piece, because they're realizing they're losing control of the minorities now.
Black people tend right now, at least as it stands right now, are breaking a little more Republican.
Hispanics are against illegal immigration because many Hispanics came here illegally.
And then they don't want Just anyone to be allowed in.
They understand that.
I mean, we're here in Miami.
A lot of Cubans, a lot of Venezuelans, a lot of people from Latin America here, many of whom I'm friends with.
And they're the most Republican you can possibly imagine.
They may not look like it on paper, right?
Because the Republican is supposed to be the white, you know, rich guy, blah, blah, blah.
But you come down here and you want to meet the people that love freedom more than you've ever seen in your life.
Your head's going to explode.
Like, those are the people you want to meet.
As for the other part that you said that they're bringing in a lot of fighting age, I mean, look, you only have to open your eyes.
I don't think that's a crazy conspiracy theory.
You watch these videos of people coming through.
Why is it in crazy percentages, seemingly 25-year-old to 40-year-old men?
Where are the women?
Where is my great grandparents who came through Ellis Island from Eastern Europe with one bag and nothing else?
It was a woman and a man and a child.
We rarely see any of that.
So you only have to look at it, really, to think something bizarre is going on.
There's a lot of reasons to think that China and Russia are just trying to flood our borders
and we'll have all sorts of domestic strife and then we won't have our eye on the ball
when it comes to, say, China invading Taiwan or whatever Russia is doing in Ukraine.
There's just sort of a million things happening at once.
But to me, the immigration thing, I'll put it this way, Andrew Breitbart used to say that politics is downstream from culture.
I would say everything is downstream from immigration.
Because if you don't just have a policy, have a policy, we can debate what the policy is, right?
I don't know.
We can let in 100,000 people a year.
Here are the vetting processes.
We want to be able to reunite families.
You can come if you have a job promised to you or something else.
But it's not compassion to let in two million people who have no connection here, don't speak the language, and then just put them on the dole, which the Democrats have largely done.
And then literally in New York City, you have the Roosevelt Hotel, which was one of the most iconic hotels of New York.
is now a sanctuary, it's an illegal immigrant center basically, it's a migrant center right now.
They literally have housekeeping, can you believe that?
They have housekeeping.
So they have legal immigrants who now are doing housekeeping for illegals that are there.
Is that compassionate to those people?
Is that compassionate to the average person who lives in New York City who's now paying for it?
So the compassion argument, the left has really done that really well.
I think it's why most people when they're young are lefties.
It makes you feel good to think you can help everybody and that you come from a place that did bad things.
There's this unearned guilt and you take all of those things together and you end up with something very dangerous, which again, I'm glad people are kind of waking up to right now.
It seems like what we're talking around is significant decline and decay.
The verdict around Trump, by your reckoning likely incarceration of Trump, could be a cultural and social tipping point.
Around the world there are numerous wars that don't seem like they're going to get any better anytime soon.
There's a sense that this country is being, by your appraisal Dave, Worse because of civilian management or population control or lack of population control.
This in conjunction with new measures and legislation to at least create the ability to impose control.
There's a point where this changes for me for being something I do for a living and talk about to something that I become sort of like scared of.
And like, yeah, I'm thinking about coming into... Yeah, you said to me, I'm thinking about moving to Florida.
So you already told me your story.
I know your story.
Yeah.
But that was, you whittled it into one sentence to me, because everyone that is on the journey that you and I are on, sort of politically or culturally, says the same thing when they come here.
I should be living in Florida, or I'm moving to Florida.
They cannot believe it, that it is being done right here.
You can protest in Florida.
You can't close roads.
You can go to stores and shop, but you can't steal $800 worth of merchandise.
You know, the other thing is we're a largely armed society here in Florida.
There are several guns in this house.
I'm sure my neighbors have guns.
It kind of keeps us all like, all right, let's not fuck with each other there.
There is a, because it's about individual responsibility.
First, there was a great video.
Maybe you saw it a couple of weeks ago.
There was a sheriff in Florida somewhere where a guy, I think it was in Tampa.
A guy broke into somebody's house and the homeowner pulled the gun on him and then they called the police and they got him out.
Nobody got shot.
The police chief then gave a speech, gave a press conference, where he said, we're thankful that this guy pulled his gun out because it makes our job easier.
That's how a society should function.
You can defend yourself.
You can defend your family.
And then we have a civil society that can help on the margins because not everyone can do everything.
And I believe in a police force.
I want to be wary of it, and I don't want it too encompassing and everything else.
But when you have a little bit of a mix of personal responsibility and good governance, And we have no income tax here, so you have a little bit more money.
And guess what?
You just drove here.
We still have roads here, right?
We still have roads in Florida.
They're pretty… They worked.
There were roads.
There were flat surfaces.
I did see a crocodile.
You did?
Okay, so you saw one… It had been squashed.
You saw a banged-up gator, but that's pretty good.
That's not good!
But you know what you get in California?
It's basically a fentanyl-dead human.
The point is, if you allow people to keep a little bit more of what's theirs, if you put a little less regulation.
So right now we have so many people moving to Florida, right?
So one of the things that's happening is we have a housing issue because they can't build housing fast enough, basically.
So DeSantis cut a bunch of regulation around that.
Basically, all of the problems that we have here are problems of success.
But isn't that fun to be part of something where your problems are because of success and not because of, I don't know what I would say, something like intentional destruction of society?
In isolation, taking her in isolation is pretty encouraging stories.
And yeah, but when I'm thinking about moving to Florida, I think, is that going to be enough?
Because it feels to me like a significant encroachment on freedom that I've experienced on a personal level and that we've discussed together.
Sure, we're still part of a banking system here.
Like, there are ways around that too.
Yeah, and do you not actually consider, like, you know, man, you must be aware because we work in the space, like, if you've watched people over the years like David Icke and Alex Jones, who I figure and have always sort of thought of as kind of shamanic evangelists, that whilst, you know, they've used evidence, they're operating on interesting planes and have both said things that I, you know, obviously disagree with, like everyone says things that I disagree with.
But one of the things that both of them have been saying for many, many years is that we are moving towards There's a centralised global authority where crisis will be used to increasingly legitimise control.
And that does seem to be happening.
And if that is happening, and happening at the pace that it seems to have been in the last 10 years, and like you say, it's exponentially getting worse, then it's not going to be enough to say, oh, we live in Florida, they're giving us breaks around construction or tax breaks.
So it feels to me like we might be on the precipice of something terrifying and almost biblical.
I don't know, man.
I don't know sort of how you marry your job as a commentator with the brilliant success, actually, that you've achieved in this space, which I personally think is incredibly admirable, with the fact that actually some serious shit might be happening.
Yeah, well, it's sort of like you're basically saying, how do we get up in the morning?
Like, how do any of us get up in the morning?
Look, even if Florida had a freaking force field around it, we took the dome from the Simpsons movie and put it over Florida.
You can't exist like that, right?
Again, there's a banking system that exists.
Borders are not perfect.
What are we going to, are we going to literally build a border with Georgia?
And are we going to have an, you know, are we going to have ships guarding, you know, we're a peninsula, so we need, we have a coast guard, but like, there's a million things.
Basically, your point is there's a million things that could go wrong and, and in essence, no citadel is perfectly defended.
And that is, that is absolutely right.
But I think to the extent that you can strengthen the places that things are working, That you should.
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Oh, come on.
Why choose, you know?
Okay, back to the content.
I'll put it this way.
When I was in California at the end, before I moved, and it was the height of COVID and the lockdowns, and I was having illegal parties at my house, and I had to have one of my guys that worked for me, I wanted to go to dinner one night.
We usually had people come to our house.
But one night, right before we left, I wanted to actually go to basically the only restaurant that I liked in LA before we left.
It was Boa's Steakhouse on Sunset.
You were probably there back in your day.
Do you remember Boa's Steakhouse by chance?
It was just the right amount of Hollywood kind of glittery, but not too awful.
And it was the kind of cool vibe there.
And I hadn't been in a couple of years because of COVID.
And I was like, let's just go.
It was the day before we were leaving when we were officially leaving.
And I had to have one of my guys make a fake vaccine passport for me.
And then I'm sitting at the restaurant and the vibe was dead and they didn't let people sit at the bar anymore.
And people had, you know, waiters had masks, but you didn't have to have a mask.
All that bullshit.
And I realized that there were a couple tables of people looking at me and pointing at me.
And then I realized it wasn't, well, they knew who I was, but that's not like, Oh my God, it was Dave Rubin like that.
It was Dave Rubin's not vaxxed.
What's he doing here?
Like in essence that they thought I was lying because I was in there with the passport.
So I had to go up.
I went up to literally three groups of people to be like, guys, don't worry about it.
It was a fake vaccine passport.
And I was like, what level of insanity is this is?
Think about for all the fame that you've had and all the people that have gawked at you at restaurants and everything else.
If for some reason you felt that every now and again, you'd have to go up to a table and explain your life to them.
And that's literally what I felt as I was leaving.
So the reason I'm telling you that story was I fought very hard, very, very hard.
I campaigned with Larry Elder to get rid of Newsom to like, Whatever we could do to save California.
I believed it was worth saving.
California has made its choice.
It is going down that road.
It's sad because it's a huge state that would be, I think, like the 15th largest country in the world, something like that.
And it doesn't have to be that way.
And there's millions of people that live there that are good, decent people.
But the state is going in that direction.
Here, it's going in another direction.
And I, at the ripe old age of 47 years old, would much rather be part of something that I can build and fight for than something I'm fighting against.
So every day when I do my show, it's just like you.
I'm fighting for the ideas that I believe in, and I'm fighting against all of the encroaching authoritarianism.
But my day-to-day here, there's little things that I do.
I try to meet all my neighbors.
Like, if I was to I could probably do like a good four square blocks where I've met everybody.
I can't tell you I know all of their names, but I know most of their names.
And I think if you do that in the community that you live in, that actually it starts building some bonds and doing some things.
It's the only way we're gonna get out of any of this though.
It is not that we get Oh my God, Donald Trump actually, he busts out of jail.
He's president.
And then we, you know, we vanquished the globalists and everything else.
Like it's a nice story, right?
It's like a nice movie, but that's not exactly how things work in real life.
I think things work locally, basically, which is what you said earlier.
Sometimes I feel like we've engaged in so much theatre and hysteria.
The fact is that Trump was in office for four years and I know that the people that decry Donald Trump will amplify his failings in office, whether that's around Covid or the vaccine or warp speed or more likely cultural declarations with which they disagree.
And his supporters will say he did this and this was a significant and important move.
The thing I suppose I'm asking is if we are for real in our sincere concern about the way that the world is going, even given that between you and I there are differences, we have this shared sense of, hold on, there is a movement towards centralised authority that might even override a state's ability to create its own sort of oasis.
Yeah, let's worry about that.
Not whatever the differences are.
It's also funny because I don't even know what our differences are, really, but I just know it's irrelevant, whatever they are, in the grand scheme of things, because we're focused on the right thing.
That's right, because actually, if you continue to focus on them, I don't, like, you know, I have got, like, because I don't want to avoid them, like, with all sorts of people that have come on the show, I think, like, all right, well, let's focus on differences so it's not like I'm sort of scared of talking about them.
But I actually don't know that there's an incredible benefit.
Sometimes, I mean, I've had a conversation with Jordan Peterson around gender, and I've I feel like, you know, can't we be more compassionate, though, Jordan, about Ellen Page?
What harm's it really doing?
I've done that with him publicly and privately, and it's interesting, his take, yeah.
Yeah, and who knows what the value of those kind of conversations are, but what I do think is important is actually that we are able to achieve, as our mutual friend Jimmy Dore would say, is they like nothing more than to find us At one another's throats.
What I feel like we have to do is go, okay, we don't agree about that, we don't agree about this, we don't agree about who gives a shit.
Then we both actually agree that there's a significant centralized authority that is looking for insidious ways to impose regulation and will continue to either synthesize or actually impose or, you know, best case scenario, exploit Organic crisis to impose fervor authority.
I wonder if you feel that, do you feel that you do enough, not in this conversation, you certainly have, but generally speaking, to find affinity, not just like when it comes to your everyday living, although God, what does it matter if we're talking about all these grand theories of compassion if when we're out in the street we're asked to passers-by, what's it worth?
Do you feel that you do enough in your shows and or do you think it's a significant contribution to look for points of alliance even in areas where you have significant disagreement?
I once spoke to Shapiro years ago and I said would you stand on a platform with like Black Lives Matter people and sort of trans activists if it was ultimately about creating systems of total decentralized control so you could live like totally orthodox and be left alone and I was bothering you about the violin or Whatever it is that you want to do.
And he said, yeah, I would do that.
And so would I, actually.
It's only when we start to look for the imposition of all the... I recognise there are points, because even though I think that people should leave me alone if I'm driving my kids without a seatbelt, if that's what I choose to do, there are points where you'd think that child welfare warrants some kind of intervention.
Yeah, I wonder if you feel like that isn't the biggest thing we could do, look for points of consensus and agreement.
Yes, and I'm really trying to do that lately.
So you referenced a little while ago that there's been some like sort of infighting on the right that we've seen some of this and people know about it between say Ben and Tucker or whatever with Candace and everything else.
I have tried very, very hard and I'm sure imperfectly And I know all these people.
I was at Candace's wedding.
Ben and I kind of grew out of this thing together.
Tucker and I are friendly.
And you know what it's like.
You then become sort of friendly with these people, so then to confront some of their ideas publicly, you kind of feel bad, or you don't want to do it, or you really don't want to misconstrue what they're saying, or certainly attack their motives, which I really try not to do.
But I can tell you in the last couple months where I've seen some of this stuff happening on the right, I have really tried to rise above it, and I'm not attacking anybody.
How do you do it?
Because, well, I'll tell you, one of the things that I've tried to do is take some... You've had Tulsi on your show, right?
Yeah.
Okay, so Tulsi, I think, is a great example of where we should be going with things right now.
Tulsi, lifelong Democrat from Hawaii, right?
Like, her spirit is a spirit of peace and decency and love and warmth and all of that, right?
You know that.
I know that about her personally and her public.
What I think is interesting about her is she's a current member, serving member of the military, who got into the military because of 9-11.
Now let's put aside what anyone thinks America did right or wrong after 9-11 or anything else, but something happened to her when America got attacked that said, I want to help my country, right?
Then she becomes a congresswoman.
The woman really would prefer probably to be on a surfboard all day if she was just doing what she wanted to do.
She was part of the Democrat machine for a long time and then just didn't like the direction that things were going.
It can't be that every, you know, it's a similar wake up that I had and that many other people are having.
It can't be that everyone else is racist.
I don't like this authoritarian control, the big government thing and the constant taking of taxes.
None of this is working.
She started waking up to it.
And then what did the machine do to her?
Hillary Clinton said that she was a Russian asset, if you remember that.
They basically, in essence, they kicked her out of the party.
Not literally, but she had to leave the party.
She is no longer a Democrat.
Now why am I bringing her up as it relates to this?
Because I think people like her actually are the answer.
And what I'm seeing on the right right now is that for all the little infighting on the right,
she's being welcome.
Another example of this would be another guy that that you know well, Bill Maher, and that when you were on last time was like one of the best media hits of the last 10 years.
But Bill Maher is waking up to all of what's wrong with the left.
He's defending free speech.
You know, he's getting all of the issues right.
He's he's acknowledging the deficiencies mentally with Biden.
He's not pretending anything is other than it is.
And what's happening?
People on the right are enjoying him.
Now, he may not get there voting-wise.
Maybe he's going to end up voting for Biden.
And I always say we have to just kind of punt that.
But if you take all of these people that are waking up, I would much rather right now show them that on the right side of things, look, You are in my house with my husband and my children.
I am not a conventional conservative by any nature.
The labels are all ridiculous and everything else.
But I do know that if voting means anything, there is one side I have to vote for to protect my life, to protect what I think is good about this country and everything else.
So what I'm working really hard to do right now is show people on the right That as these people come, let's be gracious.
People were gracious when I came along.
When I came along and started just talking to Ben Shapiro, who I thought was this right-wing maniac, and talking to Glenn Beck, and talking to Dennis Prager, what I found was they were kind, and decent, and welcoming, and I think you've had a very similar experience with all of those guys, and many other people.
And I think if we hold on to that, then the little fighting about this or that, and the neocons did this and this happened, It's just not important.
Like, it sounds cliche, but we literally have a country to save.
And if we cannot save it, we're all screwed.
So that's what I'm really focusing on more than anything else.
So I try not to get involved in the little fights.
And every time, my guys know, like every time a story pops where I'm like, there's someone who's waking up, I want to talk to that person.
Not because they're going to end up exactly believing the things that I believe, but I'm like, oh, you're on your journey?
Let's roll.
Let's see what we can do with that.
Let's see where that goes.
That seems way more interesting to me than just talking to politicians at this point.
It bores me to no end, actually.
Yeah, and I think what's also significant is that, God, man, I don't want to deal with hate.
Right, that's the other part.
I've just had enough of the hate.
And I actually feel that there is the significance of aggregating centralized power at a corporate global level is so significant that there almost can't be a difference between, like, you know, take it all the way left and all the way right.
This alliance must take place, this respect for personal and communal autonomy has to be so sincere, the ability to respect other
people's free speech, other people's sovereignty has to be, that must be our creed.
That must be our creed because with that, then you're free to enjoy people as human
beings and that other stuff, that opining, starts to melt away and just doesn't define
you.
That's why America, that's why freedom is the thing to sell and we forgot how to sell
We forgot how to tell the story.
America is for everybody that believes in freedom, and then the American values that come from that.
You know, the chance, that you have a chance here.
We'll give you equality, equality under the law, and then you have a chance to do something.
You might not do it, but you have the ability to pursue happiness.
What a great thing the founders put in there, the pursuit of happiness.
We can't guarantee you happiness, but you could pursue it and we'll see what happens.
And guess what?
Most people will never, most people either don't end up happy or they never get all the way there or whatever it is, right?
But you could pursue it here in America.
And the reason that that is so attractive is because most countries for the history of the world, they're based around an ethnicity to begin, right?
So Spain is mostly for Spanish people.
Now, of course they have immigrants, they have different people there.
Ireland is mostly for Irish people.
There are basic things that make you common with your neighbor.
America, the thing that makes us common is freedom, right?
It's freedom.
That's it.
And then you have your foods and I have my foods.
And oh, your family came from this place.
I like that spice.
Oh, I like that music from where you live.
Oh, those are interesting clothes you wear and all of these things.
And then we fold that into the melting pot and it is supposed to make us stronger.
That is exactly what you were describing right there.
And if we can strengthen that, if we can return to that, it is the most beautiful, precious thing that humans could possibly create.
I also think the danger in that is it's the easiest thing to destroy, right?
What's happening right now is we're importing old hatreds back into the system.
If you live in America now, most of your ancestors came from places that had old hatreds and
you were fleeing authoritarian governments, right?
Then we came to America, you had a chance.
It would be the easiest thing if you were a nefarious foreign power or something else
to basically put it on our streets that we should just start looking at skin color again
and we should be obsessed with all of our inequities and everything else.
You will put everything else aside and then you'll be willing to kill your neighbor.
So it is extraordinarily rare and precious and it's also extraordinarily rare and can
be flitted away like that.
Thanks Dave.
Bye.
Well, I hope you enjoyed that.
Thank you very much for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
We will be back tomorrow, not with more of the same, I'd never insult you with that, but with more of the different.
Until then, if you can, stay free.
And then I'm going to make you a delicious dinner.
Floridian food.
Yeah.
With this fantastic Floridian family.
We're going to go hit a gator in the car and then drag it back and fly it.
I'm going to get it in a wheelie bin, like the trash.
Yeah.
And you have to wear a wife beater while you're doing it and smoke a cigar.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, I bought one.
Yeah.
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