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Sept. 4, 2023 - Stay Free - Russel Brand

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WTF! Labor Day Drones Are SHUTTING DOWN Your Freedom?! - Stay Free #199

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	VISTA working hard during with the dog Playing when doing nothing
	in the yard Listen to the sound of this song
	Kick 셀�이 Why do they likes them?
	Cannot Understand I'm a veteran
	And I could never be a veteran On the next mission
	I brought a whole team So I'm looking for the CEO
	Looking for the CEO In this video, we're going to be doing a little bit of a
	going to see the future.
	test. We're going to be doing a test.
	Happy Labour Day you beautiful awakening wonders!
	The sweet spirit of ordinary Americans abounds.
	You are free, free in the words of Bill Hicks, to do as we tell you.
	You are free to do as we tell you.
	Ah, what would he make, God rest his soul, of the conditions that we now live within.
	Surveilled from every angle, even your Labour Day celebrations, surveilled by drones from the sky.
	If you're watching us on YouTube and you're one of our 6.5 million Awakening Wonders, a glorious army that we have built together, then for the first 15 minutes, we're going to be here with you talking about Tuckers Chat with the Hungarian leader.
	How do you say his name again?
	Orban.
	Viktor Orban.
	Victor Orban.
	I think of the colour of hair, then it helps me.
	That's my mnemonic device.
	Of course with me after our one week off break is Gareth Roy, on-screen assistant in Presario, partner in Football Is Nice and expert on World News.
	We'll be inviting Michael Schellenberger onto the show, but this is a man who breathes, lives and bleeds free speech to the degree that he will only appear on free speech platforms.
	Did you know that about the man we call Shelley Schellenberger?
	Absolutely.
	He's a trainee.
	I think he's going to run for office soon.
	He did run for office once, I think.
	Anyway, we've got so many things to talk to you about, including drones surveilling you on your Labor Day.
	How are you spending it?
	Because we're not Americans.
	Did you know that about me?
	I know it's hard to tell.
	What?
	Yeah, I'm from England.
	And what do you do?
	A barbecue?
	That'd be nice.
	That's probably what I do, isn't it?
	I bet there's a lot of barbecues.
	Are you at a barbecue right now?
	Hey, we're doing a barbecue, man!
	That's an American.
	Very good.
	Just enjoying Labor Day.
	And you're not acting anymore?
	It seems a waste of an incredible talent, but the truth is, I can't get the work.
	As a conspiracy theorist, I'm still friends with, for example, Jason Segel.
	I could ask him, we done Sarah Marshall?
	We done Get Me Down The Greek?
	The barbecue accent?
	Have you seen this?
	I can't do it.
	One moment in time, like Winnie Houston.
	Yes.
	One moment in time.
	That's all it was.
	Hey, listen, we're gonna be talking to you about loads of stuff.
	If you're in the UK, if you like me are in the UK, we're doing a handful of live shows in September.
	There's a link, post a link in the chat right now.
	There's a handful of live shows you can come to, including one in London next Monday, 12th of September.
	We just put this on for me to practice some stuff that I have to practice before I do it live.
	Come see me there, intimate room, you'll love it.
	There's a link in the description.
	Anyway, let's get into these drones from the sky, spying on our American cousins to show
	there is no bitterness between us after the American Revolution.
	You did the right thing, kicking King George III off of the throne when he was taking your taxes
	without representing you.
	But what's happening now, dog?
	Is it a new monarchy?
	Is it a new elite taxing you without representation?
	Is it, is it?
	And if you wanna know how to get yourself a free pair of pants, by God, you should stay tuned.
	Yeah?
	These could be yours if you want to become the Awakened Wanderer.
	I'm sorry about that, I didn't have time to wash them.
	I should see a doctor about that.
	These just naturally occur, that's pure pheromone.
	I've worn these pants and that's pure pheromone.
	No, these are branded pants for Awakened Wanderers.
	I'll tell you how you can get your pair soon.
	But let's have a look at these drones that are ruining your Labour Day before we talk about Tucker, before we get on Schellenberger, and before what's our video today?
	Talking about our victor, Orban and Tucker and this war and them carrying it on for all sorts of outrageous reasons, not the humanitarian ones that they claim.
	Let's have a look at the mainstream media report on Labor Day and how it's okay to spy on people while they just try to have a barbecue.
	People will also be attending outdoor parties and big parades over this last weekend of the summer season.
	And the NYPD will be watching out for trouble in a whole new way using surveillance drones meant... Watching out for trouble in a whole new way.
	Do you remember when it used to be like the weather and it was the eye in the sky?
	Not the weather, traffic.
	We can see that there's a- there's a- on the causeway!
	Or whatever.
	A bit more talent.
	Do you see that?
	More acting.
	God, it's happening again.
	It's brilliant.
	I can do it.
	I can just do it.
	I've got a- You're sure you're not American?
	There's a menagerie within me.
	Of characters.
	Who will I be next?
	The weatherman!
	Behold!
	The barbeque guy!
	Do you remember him?
	My classic character!
	The eye in the sky, like Arnie Pye out of The Simpsons.
	That was meant to be helping.
	Now it's a drone and it's saying that the NYPD are keeping an eye on you.
	Why?
	Why are they keeping an eye on you?
	The first thing is, you're enjoying Labour Day, right?
	Yep.
	You're maybe having a barbeque or a party?
	Yep.
	We're looking out for trouble.
	That's the first thing now.
	Trouble.
	Why?
	Why are they always looking to have a trouble?
	I'm looking in a minute how they try to package it as like we're up there to help you from the sky, like to keep you safe, just in case.
	I don't know.
	And what's going to happen to you down there at your barbecue?
	You going to drop a hot dog on your shin?
	To respond faster than officers.
	CBS News Elijah Westbrook joins us live here in the studio with more on this.
	Elijah.
	That's right.
	Well, you know, Chris Amiri, essentially when you look at it, these drones are the eyes and ears from the skies.
	Like eyes and ears from the sky, do you?
	Sky, ears and eyes.
	Like a Mr. Potato Head, but in the sky.
	Like the sky's got ears and eyes and a mouth.
	Like that mouse that has a little ear.
	You know, where that ear was pulling that mouse.
	I don't know what you're talking about, Gareth.
	You're talking about the mouse that had an ear grafted onto his back.
	What about those Illuminus mice?
	Right.
	What about the only eight mice that had a Moderna booster shot trialled on them?
	I think we can still say that.
	I think we can still say that.
	They actually trialled human ears.
	In the sky with drones.
	Like you're up there, you've had a Moderna booster, you've got an ear on your back, you're fluttering down, you're using the ear as a parachute, you're a luminous so you can be seen even though the evenings are really drawing in.
	Have you noticed the evenings are drawing in?
	Don't get me started.
	Have you noticed the illuminous mice raining down from the sky being surveilled by the NYPD?
	Look at this dude try to sell it as security and safety for you as always.
	...over parties and large festivities aimed at keeping people safe of course.
	Now police say...
	Of course.
	We're doing this to keep you safe.
	God, did you think we were surveilling you, spying on you, trying to control you?
	That's to keep you safe.
	Here's a question.
	When it comes to, like, keeping you safe, shouldn't that be done by consent?
	Like, opt in if you want.
	Send us a message and we'll send a drone to keep you safe.
	But if you don't want that, we'll leave you alone.
	Keeping you safe from what?
	What's going to happen?
	I know.
	Also, what a way to spoil the party.
	I mean, we've all had that guest who turns up, the unwanted guest.
	You told me I was welcome with your family!
	No, no, they enjoyed you being there for a bit.
	Wanna hear a conspiracy theory, mates?
	Wanna hear a conspiracy theory?
	Here, you can't trust no one.
	They're deleting our videos off YouTube.
	Here, you'll never have a guess what about Obama.
	How long's he gonna stay?
	Oh, we've run out of vegan hot dogs, I'm afraid.
	Oh, I'm out of here!
	You bloody carnivores!
	Sammy, I'm out of here, man!
	You can't handle the truth!
	Yeah, bye!
	Here's to anyone with a free pair of underpants!
	Oh, look at that one.
	It's having a baby.
	Jesus.
	Now, go on.
	Yeah, it's an unwanted guest.
	Unwanted guest.
	Isn't it?
	Looming above you.
	Have you ever had a drone come above your house?
	No, I haven't.
	We were in our garden, because I think it's where I'm famous, off of Sarah Marshall, or, you know, Big Brother, or Minions, and a drone went by, like that, just trying to eye up my household.
	I encourage children... I beg your pardon?
	It tried to get its eye up my household!
	And then, so, the kids and I, we hose-piped it.
	Did you?
	And we threw stuff at it.
	Well done.
	Yeah.
	That won't antagonise them.
	Like cavemen.
	You know, like how, like... What's this do?
	Can't they try and eat it?
	Like metal, like sort of a metal pigeon.
	For example, they get a 3-1-1 complaint about loud music at a house party.
	The idea... That's not keeping you safe.
	No.
	That's a 3-1-1 about loud music at a house party.
	So I don't see why the drone has to deal with that.
	Can't we do the old school way of doing it?
	Someone calls the police and they come round if there's a problem.
	Like, why do we need to be surveilled the whole time?
	Why do we have to be continually surveilled?
	Like, I've got this friend, would you believe?
	What?
	Yeah, it's not you.
	It's another one.
	He's called Barry Camera.
	And, like, he said that he went away to Australia a bit, he said he'd come back.
	There's cameras everywhere.
	Yeah.
	Like, everywhere.
	Which made him feel at home.
	Because, as you know from just now, his name's Camera.
	But, like, surveillance is just everywhere.
	We've just accepted it.
	I didn't ask for that.
	What about in London, our city, where they've got these LEZ zones now that nobody wants?
	What's it meant to be for?
	Reducing emissions?
	That's right, yeah.
	Well, I have cameras.
	A new industry always crops up around these things.
	We've got this new law now.
	You can't do this.
	And now a new industry comes up around it.
	Let's see what else these drones are up to.
	There's a brilliant bit where they go to Gay Pride, the drones, and tell people to go home.
	That's not very proud.
	It's to deploy the drone and pre-screen what is happening at that location.
	Now, the drones are said to be equipped with audio devices and speakers that are operated by officers on the ground.
	What, the speakers?
	You don't like that?
	Audio devices?
	So they're not just watching, they're listening to us now.
	Oh my god, they're looking, they're listening.
	What are they going to do next?
	Touch us up from the sky?
	That is absolutely outrageous.
	Well that's the only part I'll accept.
	Fair enough, like a saucy drone, like a sort of, with a nice moustache.
	An attractive drone drams its way down at you.
	That's absolutely outrageous, it's an invasion and an intrusion, and also I reject the idea, like say when sniffer dogs at an airport come and sniff you, I maintain, I am a human, it is a dog.
	I respect you, I love you, but you will not make me your master.
	No.
	You know, whether or not I'm carrying contraband substances, right?
	So a drone, they're trying to familiarise us with drones while simultaneously getting us to accept a subjugate or a subordinate position to a drone.
	Go back to your beds!
	Be quiet!
	Turn that noise down!
	Yeah.
	I mean, we literally, we saw what happened in China.
	That was one of the big stories of the pandemic, wasn't it?
	I remember when we saw that, and we'll get a look at it in a minute.
	Like, yeah, if I'm listening to Billy Ray Cyrus on my Labor Day barbecue, which I believe is what you'll be doing as an American, I want to enjoy Billy Ray, not think that when I start doing my line dancing and make some attempt to mend my achy, breaky heart, a sky drone spying on me with its lug holes.
	That's dystopia.
	Those officers are also able to play a live or pre-recorded message and ask for compliance with, let's say, turning down the music before cops arrive.
	I would like to invite you to comply!
	Like, once I was floating above your house listening to you, that's no, you're no longer involved in a discourse or a consensual democracy, you're involved in a centralised authoritarian dystopia that's being sold to you under the auspices of enhanced liberalism and, as always, safety and convenience.
	Be vigilant.
	Don't you feel like you're watching a prequel to Robocop yet?
	Like, this is, what's next?
	Well, Robocop.
	And then Robocop 2?
	Yeah, but you recognise that it's losing some of its kitsch charm.
	Look, I like this.
	It's weird.
	I never liked the skin on his face versus the metal.
	No.
	Also, are we supposed to find Robocop attractive?
	Yes.
	Dinner alive!
	You're coming with me.
	Oh, all right.
	Alive, then.
	If I've got the choice.
	I didn't like the sort of bits, like the latex between his bits, like a stormtrooper, I suppose.
	Okay.
	And didn't he start getting flashbacks later?
	Yeah, he did.
	And I start remembering, hang on a minute, this ain't right what I'm doing.
	Them drones aren't going to do that, though.
	Well, they might.
	They're not going to have a sudden flash of conscience and go, wait a minute, this is none of my business.
	Carry on with your barbecue.
	Well, we don't know.
	Drop off a six-pack.
	We've got those digidogs, haven't we?
	Digidogs?
	They're meant to be great, but then we know that they've already been militarized.
	They've now got rocket launchers on and something.
	What's the next step for these guys?
	Shootin' ya, ain't it?
	Would you mind complying?
	Turn down Billy Ray.
	Mind your own business, copper!
	Digidogs dropped on you?
	Nah.
	Now the NYPD says this tactic was used in June during the city's pride parade where hundreds of people gathered inside Washington Square Park.
	They say within 10 minutes the park was cleared without having to send out additional officers into the crowd.
	I would say if you are an enforcement officer, watch out because they're coming for your jobs these days.
	Did you see that?
	They didn't have to send out additional officers.
	What about your overtime?
	What about your rights?
	What about your Labour Day?
	What about your Labour Day?
	Where's my ticker tape parade?
	Hey, listen, are you watching this on local If you're watching us on Rumble, give us a Rumble right now and join up to our Locals community.
	Remember, a little bit later, I'm going to give you some harrowing information about how to get a wonderful pair of pants.
	Now, the problem is I'm looking at this on the monitor, and this black dot doesn't look appealing.
	This is a bit of branding.
	These are Stay Free, Awake and Wonder underpants.
	But in the wide, in the sort of little short, it just looks like a lesion, is what I would say it looks like.
	So I'm going to park that for a moment.
	So you watch us on Locals, join the conversation like Sensitive Hearts and Curious Camilla and No Dugganoko, one of my favourites, and Achela.
	All these guys are already awakened wonders.
	Now, we asked you earlier about drones.
	They're using drones, as you know, NYPD, to survey your Labour Day party.
	How would you react if you saw a drone at your party?
	We asked you.
	A, would you shout up at the sky, You're keeping me safe.
	Come have a drink.
	Or would you be?
	Blast it straight out of the sky.
	And look at you, America.
	All of you, 94% of you would blast it straight out of the sky, possibly with a licensed firearm.
	Who knows what techniques you would use?
	You could use a water hose, a water cannon.
	Slingshot or something.
	Slingshot, like David versus Goliath.
	I believe that's what he used, is a slingshot.
	Yep, that's some of the ways that you could do it.
	You asked for a metaphor, because I'm saying fighting back against the system.
	Have a look at the rest of it.
	Is there any more of that news or are we going to look at, uh, yeah, let's have a look at the end of this news thing and see what they say.
	And that goal is the, or rather the goal is that the method will be just as successful.
	New York City, we're going to lead the way of what a safe West Indian Day or Labor Day weekend is going to be.
	We are confident that the work of the police commissioner... They say West India Day and Labor Day.
	That doesn't seem like the spirit of people coming together or West India Day, that you're being surveilled by drones from the sky.
	Freedom means that we are entrusted with our own liberty and the liberty of one another.
	Government by consensus, not government by dominion.
	But we are increasingly moving away from that to the kind of dystopic states that we thought we would never emulate.
	You remember, even on the mainstream news, do you remember this?
	Let me know in the chat if you remember.
	When the pandemic broke, curiously near Wuhan where they have that lab, Like, they said, oh, good luck trying to impose this stuff on Americans or British people.
	They won't have it.
	But we did have it, didn't we?
	We had it.
	All right.
	We had it right up the Khyber Pass, as they say in cockney rhyming slang.
	Well, look, just to remind you, you know, you might think when you're glancing up at Labor Day parade or from your gay parade or from your barbecue or wherever, I recognize these drones from somewhere.
	Well, here's where you recognize those drones from.
	Sweet Lady China herself.
	Have a look.
	It's a mark of how quickly things are normalised, isn't it?
	I remember when that came out at the time, and I remember we were making videos at that time, and this looked so dystopian.
	I can't actually believe this is happening.
	Now, it's been so normalised that it's just turning up on Labour Day, and no-one really thinks anything about it.
	We've been inoculated against dystopia, and watch out for the metaphorical undercurrents there.
	Now, these deep state agencies, of course, are necessary if you're going to inculcate those kind of dystopian measures, and many of the more radical guests we've had on the show, I think Vivek Ramaswamy and RFK, both said that in the event that they become the president of your great nation, they will disband the FBI.
	I think they both said that, didn't they?
	I'm not misquoting these fine men. Well, here's another reason to contemplate what would seem
	like such a significant measure. The FBI are compiling vast American DNA databases and
	some of that is contained in those awakened wonder underpants I've just shown you, but
	the rest of it's in labs, which I hope they're keeping clean and I hope they're keeping the
	vents on. Tell me a little bit more about this, mate.
	Well, the comparisons that we had to China before, this is at a pace that rivals China.
	So, again, we're always fear-mongered about how China are doing things that are so dystopian.
	The FBI is doing something at the same rate as China are doing at the moment.
	7% of the US population, the FBI now has amassed DNA profiles for, and it's now doubling its budget to, obviously, they want to, you know, at least double the amount of DNA profiles that they've got.
	Why do they say they want the DNA of Americans?
	What's their reason for it?
	Well, as always, it's about criminality.
	It's about if we can collect these people from convicted crimes, then we can stop crimes happening again.
	But I think reading this article in The Intercept, only 3% of crimes, or something like 3% of the DNA was used in solving crimes.
	Basically, it was a very low number.
	that they would use these as an excuse to collect mass data for.
	Do you know what it reminds me of, Gail? It reminds me of like when they sort of said that all of the surveillance
	that was afforded by the Patriot Act would be brought about to inhibit, prohibit and prevent terrorism,
	but they couldn't demonstrate one case where provably it had prevented terror.
	And it's not just your DNA that's being gathered up, even your emotions are being spied on.
	Is this happening in our country, the United Kingdom? It says the DHS uses social media surveillance tools
	to detect people's emotions. This is astonishing. How's that going to work?
	This is the Department of Homeland Security.
	Oh, that's also America. Oh, guys.
	Yeah, new AI technology that's now, as it says, using tools to detect people's emotions.
	Again, it's being done under the proviso of protecting people.
	All of this technology is.
	It's either that or commercial use.
	It's one of the two.
	Yep.
	As is happening with Microsoft.
	So this face tracking pattern that Microsoft are developing now is basically a cheaper way of reading people's facial expressions.
	So it will be used primarily for commercial use.
	So when people buy something or when people are looking at things on the internet, you'll be able to track what their live reaction is to something.
	Oh, I feel like I'm being spied on!
	Uh-oh, they don't like Bismarck!
	Oh, I feel safer than ever!
	Well, it's going to be looking at whether or not you're grinning back at it like a moron.
	Obviously, we know about Microsoft.
	They have massive deals with the government as well.
	We have massive deals in the military-industrial complex.
	You know, they don't work just separately.
	This is how these things happen.
	Miles Driver says, in the locals chat, why don't you press the red button on your screen now and join Miles over there in the chat.
	He says, when your only tool is anti-terrorism, we all become terrorists.
	Let Miles know if you agree with that sentiment in the chat.
	Now, we could talk about two things now.
	We could talk about Burning Man, which began as a very innovative, Brilliant festival that looked at radical anti-establishment ideas but has now become some sort of crazy torrent where people have to flee it like a disaster zone.
	Or we could talk about Rachel Maddow's reaction to Trump.
	Which one do you guys, let us know in the locals chat.
	Just put either Trump or Burning Man, or if you want, if you're sort of very anti-Trump, you could combine them and have Trump sort of burned, which I would say is a needless wish.
	It's going too far.
	Too far.
	Trump, Trump, Burning Man, Trump, Maddow, Trump, Trump, Burning Man, Trump, Burning Man, Trump, I don't know, imagine if someone tunes in now.
	Trump, Trump, Burning Man Trump. They'll think like I'm a non-player character of anti-establishment
	news. Trump, Trump, Burning Man Trump, Trump, Trump. And also we're going to tell you about
	how to win yourself a pair of what I call sweet Butterworths.
	Underpants straight from the undercarriage. Okay, we're going to, Burning Trump
	Trump, it's going to be Trump. Let's have a look at Rachel Maddow's reaction on MSNBC, or it's
	not even a reaction, her idea about the risks of Donald Trump.
	I think we can show this on YouTube, can't we?
	Because remember, YouTube, you 6.5 million Awakening Wonders, you're going to have to join us in a minute over on the other place, Rumble, because Michael Schellenberger, the great journalist and free speech advocate, he is so committed to it, he bleeds, and for as far as I know, ejaculates free speech.
	He will Let's have a look at Rachel Maddow.
	I think overreacting to the possibility of Trump being elected.
	You lot tell us what you feel in the chat.
	Let's go.
	wonder panties, er, pants, sorry. No, it doesn't matter, he could do whatever he wanted with
	them. Sure. Who cares? We don't care. We're free, aren't we?
	That's what this is about, is freedom. Let's have a look at Rachel Maddow. I think
	overreacting to the possibility of Trump being elected. You lot tell us what you feel in the
	chat. Let's go. The election means one of two things, if this is the way he's going to
	approach it. That's true, elections do mean one of two things, don't it?
	That's all it could ever mean.
	This party or this party, both of whom are funded in more or less identical ways.
	So actually, that's inadvertently the truest thing that's ever been said on MSNBC.
	Either he loses the election and he goes to prison, or he wins the election, he doesn't go to prison, and is that for life?
	That he gets to be president?
	Will we keep having more elections or no?
	If every election is a new opportunity for him to go to prison, do you think he allows us to have new elections?
	I mean, if those are the stakes, if winning the election is his plan to stay out of prison, what happens in that election if and when he does not win it?
	I don't think that's very fair because I think what we need now, as you said earlier, because we're looking at this story in some depth over the course of the week and I also think we should do those surveillance stories because they look fascinating.
	Let us know in the chat if you think we should look at some of this surveillance stuff in more detail.
	If you want a rational and healing conversation in America, about America, you can't use propagandist and hysterical discourse saying things like that if Trump wins he's going to declare himself president for life.
	There's no evidence to suggest that.
	And also, as Gareth pointed out earlier, the indictment from Georgia is a state matter, not a federal matter, and those charges would still be relevant even in the event he was President, unless you think he's going to wave some wand and change all laws, and anybody could do that.
	And perhaps even more important than any of that, we currently have a Democrat in the White House, and he's doing, in my view, an appalling job, not delivering on many of the pledges and promises he offered during his campaign time, whether it's controlling Big Pharma, which has become a mealy-mouthed, watered-down, diluted, half Absolutely.
	And this again suggests that Democrats have never denied election results, have never concocted things like Russiagate.
	I mean, it's ridiculous.
	Trump's ongoing popularity. That is in essence our main point I think.
	Yeah absolutely and this again suggests that Democrats have never denied election results,
	have never concocted things like Russiagate. I mean it's ridiculous. Rather than going
	on there and having a kind of rational reaction to what's happening and then hoping that the
	audience has a rational reaction also, it's you know fear-mongering to a kind of ludicrous
	Yeah, we try and do this with you lot.
	I hope you know this.
	We recognize that some of you will believe different things than us, and we hope that we can achieve a consensus.
	That's why the local chat is so important to us, because we can reach consensus together.
	We can transcend these divisive left-right narratives, these ossified and oppositionist perspectives.
	Whereas MSNBC and even Fox, what they want is to corral groups together and inflate and create incendiary, conflict-driven, oppositionist narratives.
	We don't want to do that.
	We want to create new stories.
	A lot of you are talking about the stuff about vaccines that's, I think, still up on YouTube and in any sensible world would rightly have adjudicated as misinformation at this point.
	Now, do you want to be part of this movement?
	Are you ready to be a part of this movement?
	Those of you that are on Locals, you are ready.
	We have a fantastic announcement to make.
	Next week, from next week, you can officially become an Awakened Wonder.
	Have a look at this, and in a minute, what I'm doing now will make some sort of sense to you.
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	Thanks for joining us, Michael.
	Good to see you, Russell.
	Welcome back.
	Yeah, what do you mean?
	I mean, I've always been here.
	You welcome back.
	I welcome back from, like, where I've been.
	Yeah, no, thank you.
	Thanks for having me.
	I've missed you.
	I see you, you, young Putin and Gareth, were in a London black taxi when we were over here having our free speech shindig.
	That was wonderful.
	It was great to spend that time with you guys.
	We loved it as well.
	We loved it.
	Now, you're primarily here, of course, to have a painting in the background that plainly strobes.
	In old media, you'd have been shot for that.
	But also, also to talk to us about your new documentary, Why I Love Russell Brand So Much.
	What exactly?
	Your new documentary, Thrown to the Wind.
	What's that about, Shelley?
	Well, this is a big issue on the East Coast.
	You know, for years they had been saying that this increase of whale deaths, which has been going on since 2017, had nothing to do with the fact that they were adding all this new boat traffic to find places to install large wind turbines.
	But we have a new documentary out that really debunks that and shows that the big increase in whale deaths has been coming from increased boat traffic in areas where there had not been boat traffic, mostly from the wind industry, and also that they are engaged in sonar mapping of the ocean floor at really high decibels that we know separates mothers from their calves, sends whales into poorer feeding grounds, and we think is one of the big drivers of the deaths of these whales, of which there's only 340 individuals left.
	This is the North Atlantic right whale.
	So we think our documentary is going to have a big impact on effectively having to stop these activities because there's just the Endangered Species Act is too strong and we think the evidence is pretty overwhelming that this is what's been driving the killings.
	So essentially you're saying that this environmental ESG wind farm at sea movement is doing considerable damage, is therefore hypocritical and inaccurate and people are just told a story that draws a veil over the inconvenient aspects of that story, is that right?
	Yeah, I mean the problem is that you just requires putting huge amounts of industrial activity in what is a pretty pristine environment.
	I mean there is boat traffic and the lobster fishing has also had a big impact on the whales, but what you see in the mapping that was done showing the increase in whale deaths is that it's boat traffic and parts of the East Coast where there hadn't been boat traffic before.
	And that's often the places where the whales have been hiding to basically protect themselves and to feed to get away from the boat traffic.
	So yeah, I mean, I think that really it's been a big life about, you know, wind industry.
	We kind of think of the quaint windmills of the 16th century, but these are really big machines that have a really big impact in putting them in natural environments.
	And it's not just the whales.
	We've seen these big impacts on bird species as well around the world. Beyond the
	environmental issues and the deleterious impact that these windmills or turbines or whatever are
	having on animals, are you opposed to them more broadly and are framing the story in this way
	because you know it's a difficult way for conventional environmentalists to defend it? I mean this is,
	I mean for me whales are very special.
	I think for a lot of us, these are spiritual animals.
	There's something about them that we can talk about their music, about the way they care for the young, the way they communicate with each other.
	They're obviously really special mammals, and we have an affection for them.
	I have since I was a boy.
	Anybody that's seen these whales in the natural environment, it's a very special thing, and you don't want to see any of them die.
	And for the most part, whales have been in recovery, except for this one species, which has been absolutely hammered in recent years, going from over 400 individuals to around 300.
	So, for me, protecting charismatic megafauna like this is, like, one of the most important things you can do as a conservationist.
	And so, yeah, I mean, I don't—I'm not spending a lot of my time trying to campaign against wind turbines in places like Iowa.
	We do see—or in Indiana, there's people that are battling them there.
	I think most of us don't want them near our homes.
	Only 17 percent of the public says that they would Be comfortable living near these machines, which are very loud.
	But I think when you start to talk about the extinction of an entire whale species, I think you're dealing with something very different.
	It starts to raise questions about, are we over-focused on climate change?
	Climate change is a real issue.
	It's important, I think, but it's not the only environmental issue in the world.
	And I think when you start losing whales or killing whales, you've really lost the plot in terms of what it means to protect the environment.
	I suppose it's the kind of odd paradoxes and peculiar amalgams that we've seen elsewhere, that freedom requires censorship, that liberty requires surveillance.
	We're seeing more oxymorons naturally emerging.
	And I take that to be almost one of the sort of subtler, almost archetypal aspects of this dystopia we're being marched towards.
	I'm going to take that phrase, charismatic megafauna, and call it, that's the name of my next tour, for God's sake.
	Mate, can you tell me a little bit about how you feel about, we showed a little clip earlier of Rachel Maddow commenting on Trump and saying that if Trump wins the next election he'll make himself president for life.
	I wonder if you believe that the mainstream media and in particular a sort of an obviously liberal or centre-left, however you want to term it, platform like MSNBC, do you think they are aware that that's hyperbolic Hysterical, propagandist and unlikely.
	Do you think they genuinely believe that's a real threat or do you think they just enjoy framing the narrative in ways that are incendiary?
	Do you think that they know that people that are not predisposed to their perspective will see that as ludicrous and don't care?
	How do you think we've found ourselves in such curiously distinct media spaces and maybe use that story as a jump-off point?
	Yeah, I mean, I think that's a really interesting question of how much they believe it.
	I mean, I think if you saw Bill Maher and Joe Rogan last week, he really believes that Trump is a genuinely greater threat than Joe Biden.
	You know, does he think that they're going to declare themselves dictators?
	I don't know.
	I mean, half the time, I just think people don't even care.
	They like the excitement of speculating that they're fighting against this kind of demonic force.
	You know, I think the one thing that always helps me, and I think it's good to remind people, is, you know, Nietzsche's famous aphorism, beware that when you fight with monsters that you don't become one.
	And that's clearly what's going on.
	I mean, here we are, the president is basically trying to incarcerate his main political rival at the same time that they're actively breaking the law To cover up his own son's crimes, by which I mean they've appointed somebody from within the Justice Department to lead the special investigation.
	This is David Weiss.
	That's illegal.
	You're supposed to choose a special prosecutor from outside, not just outside the Justice Department, but outside the government.
	So, I mean, yeah, I mean, I think every day we all wake up going, what's going on here?
	It's feeling positively third world around here.
	Banana Republic, I don't think, is an exaggeration anymore.
	And it's very scary because I do think you see from the right a lot of people, including Trump, calling for revenge and going after their opponents.
	And then you're going to end up in a kind of classic cycle of retribution.
	It doesn't end well.
	And I feel like this is a moment that's crying out for People to say, hey, we need to turn the other cheek and be careful when you fight with monsters that you don't become one, because I think that's where really, honestly, both sides are headed right now.
	I've heard it posited that, in retrospect, we may not regard Trump and Brexit as anomalies, but as the inauguration of a new type of populism.
	And particularly when you consider that they, aside from the particular political flavour, were hot on the heels of Syriza's victory in Greece and Podemos, the rise of Podemos in Spain and Beppe Grillo and the Five Star Movement, which sounds like a band, in Italy.
	That what we're in the middle of now, and particularly if you sort of perhaps align this with the emergence of figures like Vivek Ramaswamy and Robert F. Kennedy, that we're witnessing the kind of demise of the career politician.
	I wonder what you think when you hear that sort of like a very perfectly plausible politician like Ron DeSantis appears to be suffering in the polls precisely because he is too vanilla political and he's And losing ground to figures like Ramaswamy and obviously Trump.
	Do you feel that the new media landscapes demand a type of authenticity and complexity that cannot be contained by the old authoritarian centralised models and that they are struggling to corral narratives in the way that they previously could when there weren't the opportunity for the type of critiques that are possible and maybe even taking place right now certainly on public on your sub stack and I hope on our channel.
	Or do you think it's changing the political landscape irrevocably?
	I mean, there's no doubt about it.
	And I thought that the Republican presidential debate was so interesting because, of course, Ron DeSantis is the one who is supposed to be the prepared candidate.
	He's supposed to be prepared.
	You know, he's got all this money.
	He's got all these advisers.
	And then when the question that everybody knew they would be asked, which is, would you support Trump even if he were convicted?
	Raise your hand.
	Vivek raised his hand right away.
	He knew where he stood on this, and DeSantis kind of looked to his left, and they looked to his right, and then he raised his hand.
	I mean, that's not exactly profiles and courage, and it's not exactly authenticity.
	So I do think people are looking for something authentic.
	I think that, you know, there's an old cliche, but I think it's really true, which is that We care more about having leaders that really know what they stand for, rather than having leaders that necessarily agree with us on all the specific issues.
	And so I think that's why you've seen Vivek, you know, really surging.
	I think he's representing that authenticity.
	I think we saw with the Oliver Anthony song that became this kind of sleeper summer ballad that just took off, and it really resonated with everybody.
	Even now the liberal media, the New York Times, is having to acknowledge that it touched a genuine chord.
	So yeah, people are fed up.
	I think they're tired of being patronized too.
	And as you were just doing in your whole show, you're describing that it's like, these guys, they won't give it up.
	I mean, they can't seem to—they're continuing to push for censorship in Ireland.
	I'll be there next month to fight on—to join our colleagues there who are defending free speech.
	They're continuing to demand censorship in Brazil.
	They're demanding these You know, these eye reading devices to invade our, you know, the drones in New York.
	It's like they can't, the elites are sort of in a panic and they just seem like they want to gain control.
	The mask mandates.
	I mean, everywhere you look, it's like they can't seem to help themselves.
	It's like the elites are run wild with this desire to gain some sort of control over a population that clearly is sick of it and doesn't want to be controlled anymore.
	Clearly, as their drone story illustrates, the model that they are moving towards is a technologically advanced form of dictatorship that wears liberalism as its aesthetic.
	Another component of their strategy is not reporting on threatening candidates like RFK.
	Now, I remember when we did our free speech event, Where you looked most handsome.
	You mentioned that there are areas where you and RFK don't align, which would be entirely necessary, plausible, possible and encouraging in a true democracy.
	What do you think about the mainstream not reporting on his positive polling, even with them voters, Michael?
	Yeah, I mean, I think that's, I mean, this is also part of the vicious cycle that I think that the establishment finds itself in, and they don't know how to get out, which is that the more out of control they feel, the more control they try to impose, and then the more of a populist backlash They inspire.
	And then similarly, the more threatened they feel by outsider candidates like RFK, the less they'll cover him.
	But then that undermines their credibility because, you know, for example, I just actually a few weeks ago when I was on my vacation on the East Coast, I was having this argument with somebody that's in the entertainment media telling me I should not cover RFK.
	And there was another reporter there who was like, that's just absurd.
	You can argue about how to cover it, but you have to cover these events.
	So I think that the public sense in which they're not being given the right information, they're not being given the whole picture, just further undermines the credibility of what we call the mainstream media and further strengthens the insurgents like yourself and substackers like myself To kind of offer this alternative vision.
	So in some ways I think it's a great, you know, it's a terrible time for democracy and free speech.
	It's a great time for journalism and alternative media.
	Do you think there's an obligation for us to move into either conventional electoral politics or look at new models of perhaps community or protest?
	Do you think it's inevitable and necessary?
	The community part, for sure.
	I mean, you know, the best part of losing all your friends is making new ones.
	And so for me, traveling around and meeting people that have been canceled, you know, the cancellation of artists and musicians continues, as you may have seen over the last few weeks.
	I think that's, those are all the most interesting people in the world.
	Anybody who has been, you know, publicly vilified and canceled, it builds character.
	And so I think for me, that's a wonderful source of community and that's our movement.
	And then in terms of politics, I hope so.
	I mean, we need more outsiders to run, people who feel like it would be good for the democracy and for freedom to just be out there articulating authentic ideas, what they believe.
	You know, honestly, whether or not they run, and I don't agree with Vivek about everything, but it sure is nice to see him out there saying things that people were unwilling or fearful to say, even people like Ron DeSantis, and to see Vivek saying them at least allows us to have the conversation.
	Yeah, thanks man.
	And okay, so is there anything else you want to say about your documentary, Thrown to the Wind?
	Please, people should please watch it.
	It's at public.substack.com, thrown to the winds.
	And yeah, if you love the whales, if you care about the whales, you're going to love this documentary.
	I hope, Michael, it's not some infatuation you have with their blowholes.
	Now, Gareth has a question for you.
	Hold on.
	There we go.
	Hi Michael, when we were talking about climate change it reminded me of an article you wrote about the Hawaii fires and I just had a question about that because what you wrote about was the immediate response of the mainstream media that it was down to climate change whereas actually some of the investigation in the article uncovered that Hawaiian Electric failed to clear flammable grasses from around the electric wires so this could be an infrastructure problem down to a kind of lack of funding and therefore The blame lying at kind of the heart of government rather than, you know, us all due to our negligence around climate.
	I just wondered what your thoughts were around some of the kind of conspiracies when it gets to elitist land grabs and things like that.
	Interestingly, Hawaiian Electric is the major shareholders of Blackrock and the Vandergaard Group.
	So I wondered what you thought about that and how people arrived at those as are being dubbed conspiracy theories.
	Yeah, well so first just on the main point, one thing we have to make sure people understand is that fires can be a healthy part of natural landscapes, so I oppose this thing of using fires to say every time there's a fire it's bad.
	But definitely in the case of Maui, Hawaii, California, and Greece, You had preventable catastrophic fires occurring that could have been prevented had they cleared the areas around the electrical wires or stabilized the electrical poles in Maui, which we think fell and contributed to the fires.
	Better fire preparedness, evacuation plans.
	In terms of the conspiracy theories, I mean, definitely we know there was arson in Greece.
	I mean, they announced they arrested over, I think it was 140 people in total.
	You don't need a conspiracy theory to explain the incompetence that would go into not having good fire preparedness.
	In other words, they didn't have good evacuation procedures in Lahaina and Maui, which I don't think would have been part of some conspiracy.
	I don't think there was some conspiracy to kill people, for example.
	And incompetence really does explain quite a bit, and much of that incompetence was driven by ideology, this idea that really we just heavy focus on Unboxing Chinese solar panels and making little solar panel projects all around Hawaii rather than doing this really boring work of clearing the area around the electrical wires and preparing people for catastrophe.
	But I do think, you know, it's worth investigating.
	I do think you need to have an investigation.
	I mean, one of the things I think triggered conspiracy theories was that they had passed emergency rules in Hawaii To allow for more housing development because they had been, you know, red tape had stymied them.
	There certainly were financial interests that are served every time you have one of these disasters.
	But I think that's why you need investigations.
	That's why I, for example, have been calling for a big investigation of COVID origins.
	But I think in a lot of these cases, you need 9-11 type commissions.
	To restore the public's confidence in government, because I think that really what is driving the conspiracy theories, accurately or inaccurately, is that nobody trusts the government.
	Nobody trusts these guys, these politicians, and their relationships with really suspicious international groups like WEF or BlackRock and others who clearly have been pursuing a pretty anti-human, pro-scarcity agenda.
	Michael Schellenberger, there will never be a day where I have anything but trust, except for love and certain erotic feelings that I may not communicate for you.
	Thanks for joining us.
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	Thanks again, Michael.
	Thanks for your time.
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	Uh, hey, listen!
	Have you seen when Tucker was talking to, uh... Victor Orban?
	Who's still laughing about the barbershop.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And then the tablets and things.
	All of it's pretty good, isn't it?
	Victor Orban was talking to... Oh, Tucker, Tucker!
	And, uh, it's come out...
	He won't believe it.
	Look, they're bloody well prolonging that war to turn a few quid.
	Apparently, Biden's claims that Ukraine could defeat Russia is an out-and-out lie, and Biden himself knows it.
	Is it possible that Donald Trump is the West's only hope for peace?
	Here's the news.
	No, baby, here's the effing news.
	Oh, we might not be able to show you all of this because we've got to do Sam Harris.
	If not, we'll post the whole thing straight after.
	Here's the effing news.
	Some of it.
	This is the fucking news!
	Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban told Tucker that any suggestion Ukraine could win the war against Russia is a lie, and that Donald Trump is the West's only hope.
	So which one is true?
	The war between Russia and Ukraine shows no sign of ending and indeed is escalating, funded yet still by American taxpayer dollars.
	Viktor Orban, the Hungarian Prime Minister, had a conversation with Tucker in which he said that Joe Biden's approach and prognosis are deceptive, dishonest and just plain wrong.
	That there's no situation in which Ukraine can ever defeat Russia.
	Now, Viktor Orban is a controversial figure.
	Many people say he's, like, right-wing and that he's a dictator and all sorts of negative stuff.
	And I wonder if we're at a point where we have to learn to separate and distinguish between people's cultural analysis of different political figures and the truth about war, particularly a conflict like this one between Russia and Ukraine, which has almost limitless potential to escalate and could literally involve everybody in the world eventually.
	So let's have a look at that conversation between Tucker and Victor Orban and note these points.
	He says the only way to end this conflict is by electing Donald Trump.
	That's extraordinary when you've got people on the left saying that if Trump ever gets elected he'll be president for life, he'll never rescind the office, it's the worst thing that could ever happen to America.
	And note as well that he says that this is ultimately an unwinnable war.
	Ukraine can never beat Russia.
	That side of it seems a lot less controversial to me.
	Let's have a look at the conversation.
	The view is that Ukraine is winning this war.
	It doesn't sound like that's true.
	No, it's a lie.
	It's not just a misunderstanding.
	It's a lie.
	It's impossible.
	Everybody who's in politics can understand the logic, the figures, the data.
	No way.
	Why is it impossible?
	Because that way, the Ukrainians, the poor Ukrainians die every day.
	Yes.
	Hundreds and thousands, you know, so my heart is with them.
	An early question to ask yourself is do you think that propaganda is a one-way street?
	Or do you imagine that all sides use propaganda to convey the favourable perspective?
	To bolster a narrative that is favourable to their agenda?
	The establishment propaganda currently is Ukraine are winning this war.
	Ultimately, Ukraine will be triumphant.
	But I feel that those of us that have been alive a little while and been watching the news for a while and have maybe taken a glance at history are aware that Russia are a formidable foe and a nuclear superpower at that.
	The idea that Russia can be defeated, that there's ever going to be a sort of a white flag moment from Putin is ridiculous.
	So whatever your perspective is on Viktor Orban, whatever your perspective is on Tucker, whatever your perspective is on Donald Trump, almost you have to look at this conflict in isolation and assess it.
	What's likely to happen here?
	Who benefits from this escalating war?
	Who benefits from us being told, oh Ukraine will win?
	And one way of diagnosing this beyond their own personal prejudices and biases is to look at what we were told at the beginning of this conflict and what we are being told now.
	What were we told at the very start?
	How long it would last, what it would cost, what the likely outcomes are?
	And have those things proven to be true?
	So it's tragedy.
	It's tragedy for Ukraine.
	But they will run out earlier from the soldiers, number of soldiers, than the Russians.
	What finally will count is boots on the ground.
	It's almost a historical cliché to cite that in the Napoleonic Wars, France were unable to ultimately conquer Russia because there were too many Russians.
	And in the Second World War, Hitler's armies were unable to conquer Russia because, in the end, Stalin would just limitlessly use human resources to prevent Russia being overwhelmed.
	Is there a vision for what a Ukrainian victory looks like here?
	Is there a vision for, alright, and then there's the bit where Putin goes, bloody hell, enough's enough, okay, I surrender.
	There's a clear disjunct between what we're being told and the reality.
	So whatever propaganda is true from the, sort of, Russia today, Russian perspective, Clearly there's propaganda on behalf of the Biden administration as well.
	Let's have a look at this in more detail.
	According to the Washington Post, Viktor Orban is Vladimir Putin's closest ally in the EU.
	He has refused to allow the transfer of Western weapons across Hungary's shared border with Ukraine and called for an immediate ceasefire and peace talks in the conflict, but without providing a vision of what that would mean for Ukraine's territorial integrity.
	Ukraine's territorial integrity is obviously important but is now subject to complex diplomatic negotiations.
	And Viktor Orban, having already been smeared as a fascist and as a right-wing person and all the various things that you're probably aware of, I think has to be looked at separately from whether or not peace is the desired outcome and whether militarism is going to bring out a favourable solution for anyone It's interesting to bring to the forefront the question of what post-war Ukraine looks like because we know that Zelensky's vision is deals with Black Rock, carve up Ukraine, make it a place that's impossible to unionize, where workers have minimal rights and financial interests of the West are able to exploit
	The newly liberated or at least newly colonized Ukrainian territory.
	This is not conspiracy theory stuff.
	Zelensky's gone on the telly and said, thank you, Black Rock, for all of it.
	And that's when he's in America.
	That's what they're talking about.
	So the vision they're presenting is a globalist, corporatist post-war Ukraine.
	Now, I don't think that the vision for how Ukraine is organised is any of my business, and I'm sure a lot of you share that opinion, in which case, why are American taxpayers paying for this conflict that appears to be leading to a vision that's globalist and corporatist, you could say, certainly on the basis of the Black Rock deal, and the basis of Ukrainian workers aren't going to have the right to unionise.
	It doesn't seem very pro-Ukrainian to me.
	Let me know what you think in the comments.
	Fresh from a trip to Kiev, Democrat Senator Richard Blumenthal is arguing that the US is getting its money's worth in Ukraine because Russia is taking losses and no Americans are dying, showing a lack of concern for Ukrainian lives.
	How many of you thought that when this conflict began, what we're ultimately seeing is the evolution of the American war model?
	Where supporting foreign territories in their conflict against American enemies is preferable to wars where American troops are going to be involved and ultimately killed.
	Even Americans who have no particular interest in freedom and independence in democracies worldwide should be satisfied that we're getting our money's worth on our Ukraine investment, Blumenthal wrote in the Connecticut Post.
	That's a pretty cynical way of discussing a conflict which is leading to death and decimation in a country that really doesn't evolve America except for, I would argue, their economic and imperialist interests.
	For less than 3% of our nation's military budget, we've enabled Ukraine to degrade Russia's military strength by half, all without a single American servicewoman or man injured or lost, he added.
	I would say that that's a pretty cynical outlook and reveals plainly what the mentality is.
	We're fighting a proxy war using Ukrainian lives.
	It's an investment.
	We're depleting the resources of our enemy.
	That's not what we were told in the beginning.
	We were told that it's a criminal invasion by Putin.
	We have to defend Ukraine.
	Put a flag in your window.
	That it was a moral crusade.
	The argument has become a common talking point among hawks in Washington who want the US to keep fueling the proxy war against Russia.
	Senator Mitt Romney recently called the conflict the best national defence spending I think we've ever done.
	We're losing no lives in Ukraine and the Ukrainians are fighting heroically against Russia, Romney said.
	We're diminishing and devastating the Russian military for a very small amount of money.
	A weakened Russia is a good thing.
	So I suppose at least the agenda is becoming explicit.
	This is a proxy war where we avoid the unpopular event of American lives being lost.
	Post-Vietnam, it has been decreed that America should not get involved in foreign wars that are none of their business because American families don't like to see their loved ones returning in body bags.
	The Middle Eastern conflicts, notably Iraq, seemed like an attempt to reboot that foreign policy model, sending American troops to countries that, to some degree, are none of their business, and certainly wars that are not undertaken for the reasons that were offered at the war's inauguration.
	This, though, seems like a pretty refined model.
	No Americans are going to die, American taxpayers are going to pay for it, but Ukrainians are going to do the dying on your behalf, and American opponents are going to be weakened.
	It still, for me, seems like something that should be subject to democratic process.
	Whether or not you want to fund ongoing foreign wars is something I'd like a yes-no tick to.
	Despite the lack of success on the battlefield, the Biden administration and most members of Congress want to keep funding the war, which they acknowledge would not continue without US support.
	So it's a war that would stop if you stopped paying for it.
	As Zelensky is frank and forthcoming to say, Ukraine could not have survived without America and our allies, Blumenthal said.
	But his counteroffensive is far from an assured success.
	In the end, the only way he loses is if America pulls the plug.
	I don't think anyone's advocating for abandoning Ukraine to the horrors of war, but America could use their considerable might to advance the diplomatic process.
	Even Donald Trump in his most cavalier announcement said, I would say, negotiate now, come to a solution around the disputed ethnic territories, or we're going to arm Ukraine to the teeth ad infinitum.
	Even that suggests that there is a diplomatic outcome is favoured, that peace should be the prize that all sides are pulling towards.
	The Washington Post recently reported that U.S.
	intelligence has determined Ukraine's counteroffensive will fail to meet its main objective of severing Russia's land bridge to Crimea.
	Despite the conclusion, U.S.
	is pushing Ukrainian commanders to go harder on the battlefield and complaining that Ukraine has become too casualty averse.
	Leading up to the counteroffensive, the Discord leaks and other media reports showed the U.S.
	did not believe Ukraine could regain significant territory.
	But the Biden administration still pushed for the assault and rejected the idea of a ceasefire.
	Never mind these hypocritical, corrupt, propagandist wars.
	They're getting on my nerves and they're bringing me down.
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	Now let's go back to this horrific, terrible, unnecessary, dreadful, bloody war that can't be won because Russia are a serious country that will not stop.
	Maybe we could offer them some stickers.
	Maybe that'll cheer them up.
	Putin, would you like this crow?
	Would that put a smile on your face?
	Joe Biden, do you know who this is?
	I don't know.
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	Now let's get back to this dreadful, unnecessary, unwinnable war.
	Are you noticing how common it has become to have significant government officials and figures, right up to the president in this case, say one thing publicly like, this counter-offensive is going to be a success, we're going to win this war against Russia.
	While probably saying, there's no way we can win this war against Russia.
	So that tells you that all this jingoism and positivism is propaganda.
	If they don't believe that this war can be won militarily, why not immediately move towards peace talks?
	Why not make that the conditions for ongoing support?
	What's clear is there is another agenda that's not being expressed because the leaks have revealed that.
	So that's an extraordinary number of lives.
	Ukrainian and Russian troops killed or wounded since the war in Ukraine began
	18 months ago is nearly 500,000, US officials said. So that's an extraordinary
	number of lives. I can't even sort of really conceptualize that.
	I can't really take that into my heart.
	It's too vast of a number.
	It's too big of a tragedy.
	It's too significant of a subject.
	The only way I can tackle it is through the way that the media are handling it, the way that the narrative is being threaded and spun.
	I can't deal with the actual reality that what's being funded here is the deaths of 500,000 people, the ruination of 500,000 families' lives, the devastation of communities.
	So I'm not glib about what's happening to Ukrainian people.
	I can't even take on board the scale of that tragedy.
	Who among us, other than those of you that have got military experience, can?
	What I'm suggesting is that the role of the US government should be advocating for diplomacy and peace, using their military might to ensure that that is the favoured outcome, rather than it looks to me like exploiting the situation in order to weaken Russia and to generate profit for both the military-industrial complex and companies like BlackRock.
	In the post-war environment.
	Seems like that's the real agenda to me.
	Let me know in the comments if you agree.
	The White House recently asked Congress to approve a $40 billion bill that includes nearly a $24 billion for additional spending on the war in Ukraine.
	Congressionally approved aid for Ukraine has so far cost each American household hundreds of dollars.
	The formal aid packages alone amount to a staggering $113 billion, roughly $900 per American household.
	And there's the implication that it could be higher than that because it's concealed and mitigated and managed in ways that are difficult to discern.
	So, if what they're saying publicly is not what they're saying privately, why is this conflict continuing and how should we take on board what Victor Orban has told Tucker?
	So this strategy that we are just supporting is a bad engineering of the strategy.
	To understand the Russians it's a difficult thing, especially if you have an ocean between you and Russia.
	So when we speak about politics, I mean Westerners, what is the focus point of our conversation?
	The focus point is freedom.
	How to provide more and more freedom to the people.
	Yes.
	When you speak on politics in Russia, this is not the number one issue.
	the number one issue how to keep together the country because the country is very big and
	and and there's a privilege of the question how to keep together the country and not freedom.
	Freedom is just another issue second third whatever first keep the country together.
	I suppose what Viktor Orban is describing there is an entirely different set of principles that
	freedom is something that we're continually discussing here on our channel.
	Stay free.
	The catchphrase and name of our entire endeavour.
	America is built on the principle of liberty.
	Recently I heard the quote, those who never move seldom feel their chains.
	I query more and more how free we actually are.
	But what Orban is telling us is that's not even part of the cultural conversation in Russia.
	What they think about is the identity of the nation and keeping it together.
	That's an entirely different mindset and one that probably tends more towards militarism, is willing to endure suffering and sacrifice, is not thinking about The individual needs of the members of that nation, but he's thinking of the nation as a whole.
	I think that's obviously a pretty significant point.
	And that generates a different kind of culture and understanding of politics.
	That creates a kind of military approach, like they have.
	Always on security, safety, buffer zone, geopolitical approaches.
	It's not our culture, it's a different approach.
	It's legitimate to have that, because it's their history.
	One of the critiques that's being offered is that Russia is a militaristic nation.
	And Viktor Orban's saying they have a completely different perspective.
	A perspective that's based on defence and keeping the country together.
	And he offers that America is interested in freedom.
	Now culturally, whether you're on the left or the right, Freedom is what we all talk about, the freedom to be who you are as an individual.
	That's basically the argument of both the SJW left and the right-wing libertarian.
	But the truth is that this idea of individual and cultural freedom within America is often leveraged for expansionism, for colonialism, for imperialism, Look at how many nations around the world America involved in either supporting conflicts or droning or bombing or have troops stationed there.
	What's that got to do with your individual freedom?
	Oh, we're doing that so you can have your individual freedom and stuff.
	That's what we're doing.
	Are you sure?
	Are you sure that America isn't much more militaristic than Russia?
	Colonial, imperialist, but not in the old school British way of colonialism, waving a flag for a queen, but in order to support a kind of invisible, difficult to discern, corporate globalist agenda and uses militarism to advance that while telling the domestic population it's all about freedom.
	Because how does any of this improve your individual freedom?
	But we have to understand that we cannot beat them as we do just now.
	It's impossible.
	They will not kill their leader.
	They will never give it up.
	They will keep together the country and they will defend it.
	So they're not going to get sick of Putin and throw him out?
	Come on, it's a joke.
	Our propaganda is always telling us that Putin's on the edge.
	Either he's going to shit himself to death, or one of his various diseases is going to kill him, or one of his opponents is going to kill him, or the CIA are going to kill him.
	But this guy's version is, that's not going to happen.
	And when you think of what happens when people even suggest they might kill Putin, they end up dead fast In a plane!
	How would you approach that?
	What would it look like, the settlement?
	First, you should admit, probably publicly acknowledging, that the key is in your hand.
	So if United States would like to have a peace, next morning there is a peace.
	Because it's obvious that the Ukrainians, the poor Ukrainians on their own, they are not competitive in this war.
	That's amazing.
	It's sort of true that America is super powerful and that's a kind of a good thing.
	That means if you had an America that was guided by the will of its people and the will of the people was peace around the world, less military expansionism, then you could have a peaceful solution.
	But that does require the acknowledgement that this war is only continuing because of American involvement.
	This American involvement is being equated with protecting Ukrainian people.
	But how many of us really believe that's the agenda and not the support of the military-industrial complex, the ability to rebuild it with BlackRock?
	Who believes, if you live in America right now, that the function of the American government, the function of the globalist corporate cartel, is your well-being?
	Is that how it seems to be playing out?
	Is that how Afghanistan played out?
	Is that how Iraq played out?
	America can use its power to either continue the war or bring about peace.
	A decision is being made to continue the war and propagandise the population into believing that's the moral and right thing to do.
	But you have to ask yourselves, is it?
	So if there is no money and there is no equipment from the West and especially from the United States, the war is over.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	So if you were in charge of NATO, if you were, say, Joe Biden, what would your next move be in the war in Ukraine?
	But you will solve it.
	United States can do it.
	Nobody else.
	It's not the solution for the Ukrainians.
	Of course, it's about Ukrainians.
	They cannot be neglected.
	They must be involved.
	But the real factor is not Ukraine.
	The real factor is intention of United States.
	Yes.
	So if you were in charge of NATO, if you were, say, Joe Biden,
	what would your next move be in the war in Ukraine?
	What would you do?
	Peace.
	Immediately.
	Call back Trump.
	That's the only way out.
	This is where, obviously, Viktor Orban has a sort of an ideological alliance with Donald Trump.
	But you have to also say Donald Trump does keep coming on TV saying, there would be peace, 24 hours peace, don't bring about peace.
	So Trump, whether you like him or not, does want an immediate peaceful resolution.
	And once you've looked at all of the available data, what do you think is the best way?
	Oh, let's continue this until Russia what?
	Until Russia what?
	Call back Trump.
	Call back Trump.
	Because, you know, you can criticize him for many reasons.
	I understand all the discussion.
	But, you know, the best foreign policy of the recent several decades belonged to him.
	He did not initiate any new war.
	Yes.
	He treated nicely the North Koreans and Russia, even the Chinese, you know.
	He delivered a policy which was the best one for Middle East, Abraham Accords.
	Yes.
	So that was a very good foreign policy.
	He's criticized that he's not educated enough to understand the world, but this is not the case.
	Facts count.
	And his foreign policy was the best one for the world in the last several decades I have seen.
	And if he would have been the president at the moment of the Russian invasion started, no, it would be not possible to do that by the Russians.
	If you already like Trump, then you already believe that.
	What I think's important is that people that dislike Trump, extract Trump from that set of data, didn't initiate wars.
	I know that they would have a, no, nobody did this and he said that and he did this.
	But at the moment we're talking about this issue, potential Third World War, potential nuclear Armageddon, corrupt wars continuing in order to generate profit and generate power and to advance American interests when in fact they're saying it's for humanitarian reasons.
	On this issue, if you extract the orange shadow of Trump, it seems like what he's doing and what he's suggesting would be better in this instance.
	So Trump is the man who can save the Western world and probably the human beings in the globe as well.
	That's my personal conviction.
	So there you have it.
	I suppose you have to ask yourself, is this war winnable by Ukraine backed by America?
	How much will it escalate?
	At what point do you envisage that Russia would surrender?
	What is the Biden administration's vision for a successful conclusion to this war?
	And perhaps more importantly than any of that, What would Trump do?
	Well, Trump has told us, I would bring about peace in 24 hours, I'd say we'd back Ukraine to the hill.
	So, I suppose what we have to look at is the facts around this war, regardless of our political biases, and ask ourselves some questions about what kind of America and what kind of world do we want to live in?
	Where wars are conducted in order to advance particular interests, while meanwhile we're sold the idea that they're humanitarian?
	Or are we sick and tired of that particular lie?
	Are we willing to analyse politics from an entirely different perspective, putting aside old prejudices in order to reach new conclusions?
	I don't know.
	I'm on this journey with you.
	What I will say is when it comes to the particular issue of the Russia-Ukraine war, I agree with Viktor Orban.
	Russia are not going to lose that war without causing annihilation and devastation.
	And I believe that peace now has got to be the best solution.
	But that's just what I think.
	Let me know what you think in the chat.

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