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July 25, 2023 - Stay Free - Russel Brand
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SHOCKING UFO Sightings SURGE! Pentagon Denies Truth - MUST WATCH! - Stay Free #175
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Hello there, you Awakening Wonders.
Thanks for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
Do you think we're blind?
Do you think we're mad?
Do you think we don't read the comments and the chat?
Do you think you get yourself an awakened wonder, then don't listen to their innermost thoughts?
We do.
That's how we know that you are fascinated by the phenomena of UFO sightings.
Whistleblowers coming forward.
Pentagon denials.
What is the truth behind UFOs, aliens, and the paranormal?
That is why we've constructed A very special episode indeed with some fantastic experts commenting on just that.
I understand why people are sceptical.
I think you should be sceptical of anything the government is releasing or saying.
Here's what I would say.
Thank God somebody like you is doing a show because we are being ignored.
Now you've written about this subject, Ross.
What revelations are you prepared to give us here?
The Canadians have been allegedly working on non-human technology in collaboration with the US government.
People were laughing when I said it about a year ago until they start understanding that it's true.
Verified, bonafide, no mystery.
Let's have a look at the recently released UFO footage.
This is also just a very straightforward story about being lied to and not getting the truth.
Even the astonishing and captivating revelations contained within your interview are just the tip, and I mean just the tip, Ross.
...of the iceberg, and by God, it's a hell of an iceberg.
The simple fact is, mainstream media is failing to cover this issue.
For the first 15 minutes, we'll be on YouTube.
Jeremy Corbell's coming up on the existence of alien technology and the race for military advantage over the rest of the world.
Ross Coulthard.
Do you know Ross Coulthard, the Australian guy who, when he spoke to David Grush, he's like, listen, tell me, how big is this thing?
And what would I have to do to make it bigger?
Because I'll do it.
But first, we've got Saga Njeti talking about the ongoing revelations around UFO phenomena and how, from the advent of Roswell, which, you know, let me know in the comments if you agree, is Roswell ground zero of UFOs?
Or are the pyramids?
Or is our Lord and Saviour?
Or is the Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him?
So here's Saga Njeti talking about the phenomena from Roswell right up to modern day.
Saga, before you go, if you would humor us further, we know that you are interested in the subject of unidentified flying objects, or whatever the hell they're called now.
Why do you think it is that they're suddenly being openly discussed?
You know people who like a band before they become popular, right?
I'm like, I used to like UFOs when I was like 16 years old, and everyone was like, oh, well, why is there no good footage of UFOs then?
Why don't they land on the White House lawn?
And now it's like the CIA are releasing footage of them in war zones and stuff.
What the hell's going on?
Well, I understand why people are skeptical.
I think you should be skeptical of anything the government is releasing or saying.
Here's what I would say.
I was with Jeremy Corbell, who I know that you know as well.
I've spoken to him about this.
They don't want to be doing this.
They got dragged here kicking and screaming.
Because people like Commander David Fravor, who was the pilot during the Tic Tac object video, people like Ryan Graves, well, highly decorated, completely with it pilots, are trying to speak out and have been recording this video.
They've been trying to flag this.
They're trying to get to the bottom of it.
And eventually, enough information was able to make it out that they were dragged kicking and screaming.
Now, even right now, Russell, I can tell you, inside of Congress, there are only one or two people who even care about the issue. And they are also dragging the Pentagon,
kicking and screaming, trying to get information out of them. Remember, it's been over two years
since we were supposed to have that initial report. We still, we have no more video. We
have one new video. It's a good video.
It's very interesting, but it's not, based upon what I have understood to exist in the archives
and more, this is not even scratching the surface. And unfortunately, I think people are viewing it
almost as some sort of psyop, where I completely get where they're coming from. I really do. But
You know, I also do cover Washington.
I can tell you, you know, from people in the Pentagon and more, this is the last thing they would rather be talking about.
No, they're not also using it, you know, to increase their funding requests.
And also, at a time when they would have needed more funding a decade ago, when some of these videos were actually being taken in real time, they tried their best to keep it secret.
So, when I look at all of that, I don't yet see it.
I see an incompetent, bumbling bureaucracy intent on keeping this secret because, here's the truth, they're just like us and they have no idea what the hell is going on.
I find a lot of comfort in that.
Let's have a look at their recently released UFO footage saga, and after that I want to ask you
about what you imagine they've got on their files, or at least your speculation,
while acknowledging there is speculation. Let's have a look at that footage.
An American military drone conducting surveillance in the Middle East.
Suddenly an unidentified object zips in and out of frame.
Slow it down and it appears to be a metallic sphere.
But where it came from and what it was doing remain a mystery to the Pentagon.
Have you ever seen a UFO?
Why are you interested in the subject?
What do you think of the philosophical and ontological connotations of life elsewhere?
Do you think it's advanced technology that is human or do you think it's evidence of life elsewhere?
Do you think it might be finally the clarion call for us to unite as one human tribe while decentralizing power wherever possible?
I can only hope so, Russell.
Look, I mean, my personal opinion, yeah, I believe the, it's a very standard story.
I think that we have very likely been visited by alien civilization, maybe multiple alien civilizations.
They chose 1947 Roswell, New Mexico for a reason.
That reason was that we evolved on a human, on a basically in terms of a civilizational accomplishment,
we exploded an atomic bomb and wielded a power that really does represent the next phase
of human evolution where as Joe Rogan has said, these chimps, they not only can kill each other by hand,
they can literally bomb each other, bomb the world 50,000 times over
and possibly even represent.
So I think we are very likely being surveilled.
I don't really know what that looks like or what really even the implications of that.
Unfortunately, I don't know, even if in our current times, that it would mean that we would all come together.
I certainly do hope so.
I'm a big fan of the book, The Three-Body Problem, which I do actually believe is one of the more accurate views of kind of what and how a human civilization would react in the event of a visiting, but let's put all of that aside and the philosophical debate.
This is also just a very straightforward story about being lied to and not getting the truth.
I've done multiple videos about the past of UFO cover-ups, all the way going back to Roswell, New Mexico in 1947, to the subsequent conclusions inside of the Pentagon that we are almost certainly being visited by an alien civilization that was covered up in the 1950s.
Project Blue Book, people can go back and look all of this up because, again, it takes a very long time to explain.
On the videos that I, listen, Christopher Mellon, former assistant secretary of defense, he was a secretary, a state senate appointed official inside the pentagon, is on the record saying that there is a video of two crafters flying together, two pilots and a UFO that zooms in between people inside the cockpit video, absolutely freaking out about seeing that.
They said it's one of the most high-impact videos that exists around this.
And I also do think All of the discussion around, oh, we don't have any video of that.
These, first of all, you know, this presumption is that this is a highly advanced civilization or advanced technology.
But second, like all of these are happening either several hundred thousand feet or thousands of feet up in the air or miles off to sea.
Cameras don't exist there.
It's not a place that a lot of people are necessarily with their cell phone.
So I think you put all of that together and very slowly we're getting dribblings of this.
I have no idea what it is.
Again, this is just my theory.
I could be completely wrong.
It could be a Chinese drone going Mach 7, but I don't think so.
And there's good reason to say not so.
In a sense it breaks the framework of how we regard reality and so much of how power operates requires that we stay within such narrow framing, quarrel, quibble and sling mud within that framework and once you start to recognize that the universe and reality are not as we assume it to be, then cultural questions, political questions, questions around how we organize start to become sort of less significant, less Underscored by passion and sort of primal impulse.
It induces in me a kind of sanguinity and a kind of willingness to be, I don't know, I suppose, more loving.
And I feel like I heard early tapes of Bob Lazar, because remember, I'm a longtime aficionado, sort of saying that, like Timothy Goode and stuff, talking about how like there's a sort of a concomitant feeling of love somehow.
it sort of induces a feeling of sort of spiritual ease.
And perhaps that's because it induces in you somewhat like, you know, you see like a Rorschach test,
what you want to see in there.
And I want to see the possibility for meaningful change.
Yeah, that's incredibly well said.
I take great humility in the fact that we have no idea.
And I find that to be very inspiring.
I find, you know, I know that, I believe you're a fan of Graham Hancock
and a lot of his work as well.
Do you know why that's so important?
To say, who are you?
You think you're the most advanced human to ever lived?
You have no idea.
People should go visit the pyramids.
Go touch it with your hands.
Go and look at it.
Go to Malta.
Go and look at some of those temples.
I've been to some of these places.
Ancient Hindu temples in India or in South America.
I very recently was looking at some Mayan ruins.
One of them was in Mexico.
It was on a cliff.
Nobody knew why a hole was in the center of it.
It turns out that it's a sophisticated hurricane warning system that Only when the wind goes over 60 miles per hour makes a sound that can warn everybody around you.
If you really believe that that was, you know, just happenstance and that didn't require, you know, the knowledge of a very advanced civilization or the Perry Rees map, I have a Perry Rees map, Actually over there about the, you know, the ancient view of Antarctica and how it was before the polarized caps and all that form.
I find that to be truly inspiring.
It actually makes me feel like anything is possible, whereas the previous narrative is just so cookie-cutter, you know?
Oh, well, hunter-gatherer, and then we went to civilization, we started having wheat, and then this happened, and then war happened, and then now we're here, and technology is the height of humankind.
What if it's a prison of humankind?
What if it's actually, you know, not even close to where we were before?
I find that to be a very inspiring story.
Yes, yes.
And when you put aside the hubris that accompanies the idea that we're at some point of, some apex right now, it opens your mind to the possibility that there are, again, different ways that we might be human, different ways that we might be organized.
And it takes away that kind of priapic insistence that we are thrusting ever forward in pursuit of as yet unlived dreams. The idea that
we have been here many times, things fall apart, reality is cyclical not
linear. They're sort of difficult concepts to manage without I think the inclusion
of a certain degree of spiritual grace and and as you say perhaps epistemological
humility.
I think you're right.
Absolutely.
You know, because it is more convenient to think the other way.
And I think that a lot of people just need the comfort and the knowledge that we know everything that's happened.
We don't know anything.
And I don't know why, though, that people can't flip it around and see it as Inspirational.
We don't know anything so we have so much farther to go or maybe we have so much farther to return back to once what we were to discover new frontiers and new technology.
I'm obsessed with the stories of exploration of civilizational first contact and so much more because in that I see the birth of something new.
Didn't always go well for a lot of people but it was exciting and it was riveting and I think that so much of the cookie cutter ways that we look at our current Story in our current society that are almost designed as you've often talked about to keep us complacent and locked into Systems of power where all the only thing that's keeping you in a prison is your mind, you know Whenever you think differently almost anything is possible and a lot of this can sound hokey But you know take it from a guy like me even in a suit like you can manifest quite a few things whenever you just want to think differently
Shellenberg on UFOs.
Please get David Grush for an extended interview.
He's the whistleblower we need.
I want Grush on this show.
Today, though, we've got Ross Coulthard, the Australian host who did that mind-bending interview with David Grush.
And we think he was really Sort of flirting, I'd say.
Now listen, are you saying people were murdered?
I'm not comfortable with that.
He took the whole UFO phenomenon so... Primal quality, I'd have it on my genitals, but my tattoo would look tiny.
And DoCo says, if Russell pays for my ticket, I'll tattoo stick figures on anyone's nuts.
Are you a tattooist though, mate?
Because that's a weird claim to make.
It used to be all graphs of rust swan bodies and now it's the figure.
Yeah, we're moving to that now.
We're moving to that.
Are we going to go to Ross Coulthard talking about UFOs and whistleblowers?
I've heard some interesting information about UFOs now and extraterrestrial beings and diplomatic relationships between extraterrestrial nations and the United States and the Chinese government and the Russians.
I mean, it's really blowing up this stuff.
I actually, when we spoke to Jeremy Corbell, he says they don't want these leaks.
even if they are trying to use it as a distraction, it's, they're pissed off that these leaks are being made.
So let us know in the chat.
Now, but what do we know, really, when it comes to these revelations?
We are not Ross Coulthard, the best-selling author of In Plain Sight,
exploring the mystery of unidentified flying objects, and the Newsmax journalist who conducted,
this is just to wet your whistle, this is just to get your gander up,
because we're very excited to have Ross Coulthard here, because we think he's part Jim Robinson,
Neighbours star, if you're not familiar with Australian TV, Alan Dale, I think was the actor,
and part Ma, Andrew Ma, who's a British investigative journalist.
Yes, I was.
So he's got like a wonderful visual credentials.
But look at how he's handling David Grush and look at how sort of intimate he is.
I'm gonna interview him the way he interviewed Grush.
Have a look at this.
You are one of the most trusted former intelligence officials
in the US defense and intelligence establishment.
Yes, I was.
You were trusted with the most intimate secrets.
Yes.
Why are they making this so seductive and full of intrigue?
You are one of the most handsome men I've ever seen.
You look like Prince William a bit.
Thank you.
Your pecs are very well formed.
Your nipples now, well, they're a bit like unidentified anomalous objects.
Could we just get on with the interview?
How many?
Quite a number.
You're kidding.
No.
I thought it was totally nuts and I thought at first I was being deceived.
It was a ruse.
People started confiding in me.
They approached me.
I have plenty of current, former senior intelligence officers that came to me, many of which I knew almost my whole career, that confided in me they were a part of a program.
They named the program.
I've never heard of it.
This guy's falling in love with him.
That's the problem.
It's the interviewer's like, oh, look at you.
You know so much.
You've seen things.
Did they use an anal probe on you?
No, no.
May I?
And they told me, based on their oral testimony, and they provided me documents and other proof.
That there was in fact a program that the UAP task force was not read into.
If you're right, if you're telling us the truth... Can I kiss you?
Everyone, the entire American public, has been lied to for decades.
Well that's just the standard every single day.
We know that.
We know that's happening continually.
That's not the issue.
Wait a minute.
You mean to say that the government are not telling us the truth?
And would you put their swimsuit on?
The government not telling us the truth is long established, whether it's economically, whether it's the military-industrial complex, whether it's the media.
Almost everything that we've come to regard as a conspiracy is a hive of concealed information.
That doesn't mean we should be irresponsible in our wild conjecture, but it does mean that there is a steep and vast margin between what is explicitly discussed publicly and The truth.
Yeah, there's a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the US populace which is extremely unethical and immoral.
You are saying to the human race... To the human race!
You are saying to the human race, and I applaud you for this, but there are aliens and that you're free Wednesday 7 to 10, no strings.
For the first time an official Intelligence representative at a high level from the US government is saying publicly, we are not alone.
We're definitely not alone.
But you and I could be alone on a camping trip.
Maybe we could look for UFOs.
Or maybe we could just stay in the tent.
I don't care.
Absolutely the data points empirically that we're not alone, yeah.
Do we have bodies?
And is mine good enough for you?
Have human beings been hurt?
Or killed by a non-human intelligence.
Now listen, I'm asking you this as a friend.
Did those aliens touch you on your dick or your arse?
Look, we're talking about extraterrestrials, but we're talking about more than that, aren't we?
While I can't get into the specifics, because that would reveal certain US classified operations, I was briefed by a few individuals on the program that there were Now I'm scared.
level in events like that. Now I'm scared. Well now I'm scared. I came here in good
faith to talk about extraterrestrials. It takes a lot to shake me but you've shaken
me to the core. I didn't realize you were gonna make me feel this way. People have
just heard you say non-humans may well have murdered human beings. It's also funny to think of it as a murder when it's
an extraterrestrial because he can't have the motivations Did that extraterrestrial murder you because it wanted your watch or because it was jealous that you was looking at its girlfriend?
It's like beyond the framing of reality.
Are there agreements between non-human intelligences and the American government?
I think that's a question that I would Like to know all the details of as well.
Can I put it to you that crimes must have been committed?
All of it seems trivial, doesn't it?
In light of the fact that there are extraterrestrials that have been connecting with human governments potentially for millennia.
Have they done any crimes?
I mean, I've noticed my stapler's gone missing.
Could that have been them?
At the very least, I saw substantiative evidence that white collar crime was committed.
Have people been killed to protect this secret?
He's a good investigator, actually, I think, because he just wants more and more.
Have people been killed to protect this secret?
Have there been agreements?
These aliens, are they sexy or not?
Because one thing's for sure, you are, David.
Yeah, unfortunately, I've heard some really un-American things I don't want to repeat right now.
Un-American at this point?
So you have a strong suspicion that people have been murdered to protect this secret.
Over the years, yeah.
Ross.
Ross, are you, through your rhetorical style, through your cadence, through your leaning in, dramatising this subject?
Please welcome Ross Coulthard to the show.
Hello, Ross.
Hey Russell, how are you mate?
I don't think it needs any dramatisation.
It's real.
The phenomenon is real.
What Dave Grush is saying is real.
And the mainstream media, you are a rare exception.
Thank God somebody like you is doing a show because we are being ignored.
There is an attempt to cover this up.
Bury it back in a box for another 80 years, and the simple fact is David Grush is telling the truth, backed by other whistleblowers who are ready to come forward.
This is going to come out.
Even the astonishing and captivating revelations contained within your interview are just the tip, and I mean just the tip, Ross, of the iceberg, and by God, it's a hell of an iceberg, because I know, because I can tell, Ross, I can see the way that you're conducting that interview.
You know a great deal more than you're able to publicly say.
Now, I've heard off the record, and I won't name my sources because I'm a professional journalist, one of the best, some say, I've heard recently that there are diplomatic relationships between the US government and extraterrestrial nations, that have gone all the way back to Roswell, that Roswell was real, that they have live extraterrestrials, that there are different extraterrestrial nations that the governments of the world have been in touch with for 50, 60 years, that this is the mind-blowing, epochal, paradigm-shifting story the world's been waiting for.
Now, you've written about this subject, Ross.
So you've got to know a lot more than you're letting on.
What revelations, I'm scared as well Ross, what revelations are you prepared to give us here?
OK, well, I mean, the simple fact is what you just what you just detailed there, Russell, is what David Grush alleged to me in the NewsNation interview.
The simple fact is that there is a defence office pre-publication security review approval for Dave Grush's interview, a DOD approved document where Dave Grush set out what he wanted to talk about.
And in that document, he talked about non-human intelligences engaging with this planet, about agreements implicitly between those NHIs and the human race, about crash retrievals, recoveries, reverse engineering programs.
Now, the simple fact of that so-called DOPSA document, the fact that there's a Defence Department approval, doesn't mean the DoD saying what Grush is saying is true.
But I know that what Grush is saying has verification from multiple other sources.
People like me, I'm a professional journalist, I'm an old-fashioned journo who goes out and develops sources and builds up networks of people who help me with information.
When I was writing my book, In Plain Sight, I started to get calls from people who were giving me information from within the Legacy Crash Retrieval Program.
And I can't say definitively, I know it's true, because I haven't yet seen these craft.
I haven't seen the secret documents that David Grush has seen.
But what he's done, what this incredibly brave man has done, is he's come forward,
not only to the Inspector General of the Defense Department and the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community,
he's also testified under oath to the Congress, to the two oversight committees,
the House Intelligence Committee and the Senate Intelligence Committee.
If he's lying, send him to jail, prove it and send him to jail.
If he's not lying, then that's the test.
I know he's not lying.
I know he's telling the truth.
And what really gives me the, it pisses me off, Russell, because I'm a journo who has spent much of my life
in mainstream media, and I'm seeing newspapers like the New York Times,
the Washington Post, the London Times, all of these papers are suppressing this story,
not because they're being told to by the intelligence community,
because they don't have the capacity anymore for critical thinking like you do,
and like so many other shows that are starting to develop online do.
The simple fact is mainstream media is failing to cover this issue and I've never in my long career as a journalist been so shocked and confronted by the fact that what we're looking at here is we're seeing unfold at the moment the biggest story in human history.
This is the story of non-human intelligences engaging with this planet.
And I've heard this from US intelligence officials, defence department officials, scientists who have literally touched the side of these craft.
It's real, as best as I can tell.
And a man like Grush deserves to be embraced by your audience and supported.
And I really applaud you for doing what you're doing and having the independence of thought and the critical thinking to engage with this subject.
Ross, that's so fantastic.
You've really raised the temperature.
You're obviously a credible journalist yourself, not prone to hysteria, even if you do sometimes lean in dramatically to your subjects.
You've raised the temperature so much, I've undone another button on my shirt to celebrate.
Now, one of the revelations I'd like us to discuss, and this is an opportunity for us to use our unique platform here on Rumble, particularly on Locals, and if you're watching us on Rumble, join us on Locals now.
Press that red button on your screen.
Why don't you collectively use Google Earth?
Why don't we use Alphabet's utilities for good?
If you have a look at Area 51 now in Nevada, you'll see a mountain in that region which many claim has visible entrances and exits that are currently being used by these UFOs, by these NIHs.
I'm not sure what acronym to use anymore, but we can do this research right now ourselves.
You lot in the chat have a look at our production company.
Bad Graphics Jack could have a little poke around.
I mean it seems to me that in some cases it's almost ludicrously ordinary that these interactions have been going on for a long time, there are sort of bureaucratic diplomatic agreements, there have been conversations, there have been trade agreements almost, there are the rights to access certain territories, legitimized exchanges of human life, stuff that the mainstream media will Understandably, to a degree, Ross, treat as ludicrous, because given the conditioning we've received up to now, it seems implausible to discuss it until you increase the size of your frame to include the evident reality that the cosmos is without limitation, both temporally and spatially, and within that framing, a more advanced species, whether that's extraterrestrial or interdimensional,
is a literal inevitability.
And the likelihood of exchanges increases exponentially on that basis.
And then the idea that, oh, why haven't they landed on the White House lawn?
Well, it seems like every time that there is credible evidence, it's suppressed, it's undermined, it's reframed, it's rephrased, whether it's footage.
Oh, look, we're looking for that mountainscape now.
There's really good footage of that.
So do you think that In a sense, Ross, what this challenges us to do, as both recipients and creators of media, is to responsibly broaden out our framing.
Absolutely.
I mean, just to give you an example of just how absurd this is, that this story is being overlooked, Russell.
Your and my mate Jeremy Cordell, with his colleague George Knapp, broke a story in the last 12 hours about a document that I've known about for some months.
And in that document, a Canadian MP, a Member of Parliament in Canada called Larry Maguire, writes to the Canadian Defence Minister and reveals that he has investigated and discovered a secret Canadian collaboration with the US on UAP crash retrievals.
The Canadians have been allegedly working on non-human technology in collaboration with the US government.
And it's really interesting, you know, at the moment my government in Australia is about to spend $400 billion on nuclear attack submarines from the United States.
I think it's an important political and economic issue as a journalist.
That our government, at a time when it's being encouraged to spend $400 billion, is part of a secret Five Eyes agreement called the Foreign Material Exploitation Program, where they are literally recovering, according to this letter from this Canadian MP, craft from another world, and involved in attempts to back-engineer and reverse-engineer that.
I appreciate that for a lot of people in this forum here, hearing this, they might think, well, Christ, it sounds crazy.
That sounds impossible.
What a load of bollocks.
The truth is, the ontological shock of that shouldn't deter them from pushing for this to be investigated.
Because what the White House, what the Pentagon, what the intelligence community is relying on, is your audience, not As Jeremy says, weaponizing their curiosity.
They need to indulge their curiosity and start asking questions.
It's like, you know, it's funny actually, listening to your show, I hear so often things that make me wonder as a journalist, has society lost its capacity for critical thinking?
Just because a bunch of experts or pompous twats in Washington say something, why should we necessarily believe it?
We should test it.
We should always challenge claims.
And the thing that really shocks me at the moment is we are lurching towards a new kind of authoritarianism in media, where this kind of group of lumpenproletariat journalists basically make the decisions about what we're all meant to think.
And there's an absence now.
There's a disconnect between critical thinking and what's put into our papers and to our media.
We really do need to test this UAP subject.
And what David Grush has done, and what Larry Maguire in Canada has done with the letter that he's written to his defence minister, is open the argument.
Let's call David Grush's bluff.
Let's go to the Pentagon.
Let's go to the Defense Department.
Let's ask Joe Biden.
What's the truth of this?
If it's a lie, they're all going to jail because they've lied under oath.
If it's not a lie, it means this is the biggest story in human history.
That's an extraordinary piece of analysis.
Of course, your countryman Julian Assange is currently in His Majesty's Belmarsh without trial for making similarly important revelations.
I certainly agree with you that the media are controlling this space in curious ways.
You've lit up the chat there.
Many people just can't get their heads around the idea that this kind of story is on the mainstream at all or on CNN.
They feel that these stories are being used as a distraction.
They still want more reliable footage.
They still want plain evidence.
But remember, I've been in this conversation for a long time now.
So, like, I read all the Eric Von Daniken stuff and all of the Timothy Goode stuff, and I've always felt that the way the architecture of our systems of governance and our understanding of reality has always precluded and prevented the incorporation of non-terrestrial life because it asks so many questions of our power structures. It blows
the paradigm apart.
It means that it's pointless, senseless, having geographical conflicts with other
human tribes. It becomes plain, necessary to accept the reality that in a sense
we're one people, not with one government, with decentralized, localized,
collectivized democracies that acknowledge that we need to have access
to our systems of control and that to place power in the hands of one
establishment elite is ridiculous.
Also, above all else, it demonstrates that they've been lying.
Ross, thank you so much for joining us.
I know it's late at night there in the Antipodes.
You've done such a fantastic performance.
I didn't think you would be capable of doing live what you do so beautifully.
in your fantastic interview there with David Grosh.
Thanks for coming on and advocating for us and thank you for your kind words as well.
Thank you, mate, and thank you for your show.
Get to see you again soon, Ross.
Come on again.
And when I'm in Australia in February, I'd love to come and see you and do something with you.
Please do.
And once we're in the same physical space, then we can really get some chemistry rocking.
I want those lean.
Now I'm scared.
I want those kind of moments, Ross.
Ross's book, In Plain Sight, is out now.
We'll post a link to that in the chat.
Now, there's a hell of a lot to discuss.
You guys know that we are interested in conveying to you the most important stories We're interested in revealing to you the deepest truth.
We're interested in uncovering the most profound conspiracies.
This, even though I struggle to convey this bit of information to you, and you know me Gareth, I don't usually struggle do I?
It's not one of the things I do to Did you like, did you enjoy Ross Coulthard there?
I thought it was absolutely wonderful.
I thought it was fantastic.
What a brilliant contribution there from Ross.
But I understand, I appreciate what you're saying guys.
A lot of you think, oh no man, they're propagandising this issue.
But I tell you, it fascinates me.
I've just heard some interesting stuff.
Some interesting stuff.
Jeremy, what is the Mosul Orb?
And tell us, is this a particularly significant sighting?
Yeah, it's really significant that it was able to be seen by the public.
So let me be very abundantly clear.
There are these orbs, these spheres.
You said foo fighters, which all the way back to World War II, you have these metallic spheres that are traversing our restricted or war zone or combat areas.
And what happens is through all of these decades, none of them ever have come out from military film.
Until now, I was able to obtain this image, which by the way, was from a classified briefing about UFOs, or what they call UAP, Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena.
That's the true definition now.
And I was able to obtain it and release it.
And this image is the first time the world is ever seeing one of these UAP from a conflict zone.
Now, why is this important?
People were laughing when I said it about a year ago until they start understanding that it's true, which is that we sometimes shoot at these unknowns.
We shoot at them, but not just us.
We also know that Russia and Syria fire upon the same units, the same objects, which means it's not theirs.
So whose is it?
Now, this image, the Mosul Orb, is from northern Iraq.
Luckily, I was able to obtain it and release it.
But here's the deal.
It is from within a classified briefing.
What was that classified briefing?
That classified briefing, which was authored by a man named Jay Stratton, who ran the UFO programs for the United States for a while.
He put it in there to educate pilots and aviators and our war fighters.
Hey, this is what we're seeing.
This is one of those UFOs.
You should and can report it.
We're not going to call you cuckoo.
We get it.
We see it on radar.
We want to know more about it.
Because if we shoot at these, If we shoot at these in conflict zones and we don't know whose they are, we could misidentify and have a fight between two countries because we're shooting at UFOs.
This happens on a daily basis.
Our pilots are seeing these orbs.
Now, they're also pyramid in shape.
They're also cubes with spherical auras, which is reported by pilots.
So what you're seeing It's an image they don't want you to see.
It's from a video.
They don't want you to see it.
So the Pentagon is sitting there right now like, hmm, what do I do?
Jeremy just released an image.
We know it is from a classified briefing.
It is of a UFO, and we've designated a UFO, and it's in a classified briefing.
What do we do?
Are we honest to the public?
That's what they're thinking.
So right now, Susan Goh, who's a woman who's the spokesperson at the Pentagon, is trying to figure out what to say.
And right now she says, I have nothing for you.
I mean, she says that to mainstream media.
She says that to independent journalists.
Well, they do got something for you.
They got a four second video that they can release to the American global public.
So I'm pushing, I'm pushing, trying to put gasoline Back onto this fire and make sure that they try to put out in the right way to the American and global public what this is.
This is a UFO, man.
Straight up.
They've made sure it's not a balloon.
They made sure it's not a satellite.
If you ever see the video, which I hope you do, it moves from the right side of your screen to the left.
It is under intelligent control, and it is not ours.
It is not China's.
It is not Russia's.
This is not a balloon.
This is an intelligent controlled machine that is advanced, and we don't know who it's from.
Jeremy, do you ever wonder what the philosophical and ideological impact will be of meaningful contact?
Do you assume, as many experts in your field have over the last 50 years, that contact between non-terrestrial entities and deep state officials has been ongoing.
I feel that in order to ensure that people appreciate how significant this story is, it's important to bring to the forefront But we're talking about something that will alter our perspective of reality, our perspective of cosmology, geography, epistemology, our understanding of knowledge and history has to alter.
If we've been in regular, continual contact with UFOs, all of this is of course speculative, how could it be otherwise, but the possibility that Human evolution has been impacted, influenced, even directed.
Some of those theories that we're living in a simulation start to have a different kind of grounding.
We'll start with this, Jeremy.
How deep do you envisage this contact goes?
You know, when you say the government, the Pentagon, don't want people to see the Mosul Orb, What do you imagine's in those vast nowhere hangers?
What do you imagine is the kind of contact they've had?
What do you think Reagan meant when he said at the screening of Close Encounters, there's only a few people in the room that know how real this stuff is.
How deep do you think the contact has gone and do you think it influences events here?
Right, so I don't need to believe, I don't have the luxury of disbelief about this.
You know, it is my job to speak with people in different levels of government and the military and pilots and, you know, look man, I don't have the luxury of disbelief.
I know for certain, and it has been proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt, That we have full intact craft and machines that we've been trying to reverse engineer.
And I'll just say it, ma'am.
These machines, they're not from here.
Whoever built these appear to be a non-human intelligence.
Now, where they're from, because the word extraterrestrial means just not from Earth.
But also the word alien, you know, what is alien?
Alien is anything that is alien to us, right?
So I know for certain that there have been limited comms or communications with whoever these builders, we'll just call them occupants, or builders of these craft are.
Now are we being told the truth when we've had these comms with these builders or occupants, right?
And that I have no idea.
How could I possibly know?
But I do know that we have reverse engineering exploitation programs for non-terrestrial technology, and I have brought forward witnesses.
I brought forward witnesses publicly, as well as privately.
I've brought witnesses forward, so within government, people know who they are.
And I'll be bringing a lot more people forward that have actually worked on these technologies.
Verified, bonafide, no mystery, they've been part of these reverse engineering SAP's special access programs.
So, look man, it's happening.
Now, what is the implication of this?
And that's the huge question you just asked.
You know, how could I possibly know?
I know for me, I feel like I have a right to know, a need to know, and a personal duty to find out, but I also believe the global public has too.
Look at it this way.
If our universe, if the fabric of our reality, if the nature and the topography of what we understand to be real, Is vastly different than what we are being told.
And that is known.
That is known by certain parties.
From mathematics and physics and material science.
To just the idea that we are not alone in the universe and not only that.
But we have had contact for a long durational period.
Maybe we can't trust those we've had contact with.
That's a big deal.
Now the reason for the secrecy dude.
This is like so obvious once you really grasp it.
It's so simple.
This technology can be weaponized.
We're talking about weapons of mass destruction.
The actual propulsion system in these craft are gravitational.
If anybody can catch up with the material science to making these materials, which you would need atomic layering in a zero gravity environment, if we were able to replicate that, let's say China does, let's say Russia does, All of a sudden, what happens is that country has an advantage beyond anything that has ever occurred in the history of humankind.
So this is being taken very seriously by people within our Defense Department.
I can attest to that personally, that I know that to be true.
This is not a fringe topic.
This is classified at the highest level of national security within your government, within my government.
Now we got some goodies.
And we're trying to work on them.
But the big question is, how does it change humanity?
How does it change the way that we interact with our family?
How does it change the way that we prioritize our jobs, our work, what we do with our life?
Once we learn that we are part of a bigger ecosystem, a cosmic ecosystem, and that distance and space and time is irrelevant to travel, It changes the way that we deal with fossil fuels.
It changes the way that we deal with our basic understanding of interfacing through electronics and communications.
It changes everything, and it changes it now.
We are slow to grow.
That is true about humanity.
We are slow to grow.
But the thing is, we're smart, we're capable, and we do grow.
It's time they open the books on the UFO topic.
You know that if you change our understanding of I don't know if you call it post-Newtonian physics, our understanding of distance, space, time, velocity, the way that this gravity-based propulsion system suggests that we could do.
Then I suppose you have to similarly examine The worldviews and philosophies that have grown out of the scarcity and limitation-based ideals that are underrated by that, like the temporal ideology, time is limited and linear, you know, those sort of, obviously, some of Einstein, the theory of relativity challenges that, that space is a sort of an absolute commodity, but there are things in quantum physics that query that, about sort of those objects travelling beyond the speed of light, for example,
Or, you know, the objects might not be right when you're talking about quantum phenomena.
So, it seems then, I wonder, it becomes difficult to envisage what the ideologies and philosophies of a species of beings that are able to operate at that level might be, and suggests to me at least, Jeremy, that they might regard us more like flora and fauna.
rather than peers.
We'd be more, we're in ant farm territory rather than, you know, shared members of some space council.
And I am reminded of the sort of thing Neil deGrasse Tyson sort of said when he was on our show, but I know he says it a lot, because it's pretty cool, if we're 2% smart, if the 2% difference between us and chimps represents all of culture as we understand it, A 2% more advanced species than us would have access to ideas that we can't even conceive of.
I suppose that's why in our conversation we have to continually move between what's demonstrably true, even though those aspects of this story Any area where you're not getting involved in speculation and conjecture is why you have to be a little more disciplined in the conversation.
But I'm accustomed, much like their machinery, to move from the quantum realm to the cosmic realm.
To move between, well, if this is true, then what does that mean?
If this is true, what does that mean?
Because that's what fascinates me.
I suppose your relationship with Bob Lazar must be super significant to you because he's a person that's been in this space for a long time.
I suppose most people that are fans of our channel, members of our community, will be familiar with him.
But my understanding is that Bob Lazar was an independent engineer that was asked to
work on some recovered technology and had to sign all the usual stuff that you might
imagine and has subsequently gone on to speak at length.
There's a lot of, I've seen a very successful video between you and Rogan and Bob Lazar
talking about, is he legit, is he the real deal?
And I know that you believe he is and I believe he is.
I wonder how significant his contribution is to this conversation and how his contribution
alters with these recent spate of revelations.
Sure.
So let's talk about Bob Lazar, but I want to touch upon the first thing you said.
You know, we're living in a data-rich environment, but we're like data poor in the way that we see it.
We look at it.
The scientific community, even our friend Neil deGrasse Tyson, has made statements where we realize, oh man, they really got to catch up.
They're not exposed to the data.
I see Congress and Senate not having as good briefings as George Knapp and I do as journalists, and that's concerning.
That's real concerning.
So the first thing you talked about was, what's the intent?
You know, we an ant farm, you know, let's go real dark to real light, then we'll get to Bob Lazar.
The real dark is, look, man, when we got cattle, what do we do?
Do we treat them poorly from their perspective, or do we feed them, give them water, make sure they're healthy with antibiotics?
But they're a commodity to us.
That's just the truth about, you know, meat industry here in the United States and beyond.
So the dark version is, oh man, yeah, they're taking real good care of us because we're some sort of commodity.
Right.
Then the other side, the lighter side is, hey man, they've been here a long time.
This is obviously some sort of reconnaissance program or some sort of thing where there is interest with human consciousness and these, you know, beings, these non-terrestrial beings that seem to build and operate these craft.
So it's kind of like pick your poison.
Who you are will really reflect in your answer, right?
It's like the evidence shows us that they've been here a long time.
But how you answer what you think the intent is, it's all speculation.
You know, we know UFOs are real.
We know they're made by somebody, you know, not from here.
But what they're doing here, it'll reveal more about us than it will about them.
Now, whatever that truth is, let's move on.
Bob Lazar.
For those of your audience who don't know who Bob Lazar is, I think the best way to learn about him is just watch the documentary I made on him, because I tried to humanize him.
Because he is a human, first of all.
And second of all, because people would dismiss what Bob Lazar said by attacking Who he is by attacking his persona, his individualism.
And that's a real mistake.
That's actually a very dangerous mistake.
When you can't separate the message from the messenger, what it is that we know from what it is that we think.
So Bob Lazar was tasked by the United States military in 1989 to reverse engineer a propulsion system that was non-terrestrial.
It was from a spaceship.
It was absolutely from a disk Styled spaceship.
He called it the sport model.
He had cute little nicknames for all of them.
I have proved that he worked out at Area 51.
I have talked to other employees that saw him go there and get off the bus and drive down to S4, which is the name of the building where he worked in on these non-terrestrial technologies.
We had nine intact craft.
This is fact.
Whether people want to believe it or not, it doesn't change the fact.
You gotta wrap your head around that reality ain't what it used to be.
We now know it's true.
So Bob Lazar is kind of like a whistleblower, except he did so because he was fearful for his life.
Because at the time, and I see it up to this day, by the way.
I see it up to this day.
Witnesses that have come forward to me are threatened.
And they are threatened by people that are within special groups within government.
And we're not standing for that anymore.
That's why Congress and Senate did this Whistleblower Protection Act.
So how significant is Bob Lazar?
And how does it relate to what we're seeing in the news?
Bob Lazar is probably the most central significant person when it comes to the public knowing about our government, our military, reverse engineering, alien spaceship From other worlds.
That's Bob Lazar.
That's what he did.
And George Knapp brought him forward.
Now, today, what we're seeing, man, George Knapp and I said, very beginning, when you see these shootdowns, the United States pops a balloon with a missile, by the way, they didn't even hit its center, it was down to the right.
Whatever.
When you see that on national TV, what are you really seeing?
Those balloons have been around forever.
If we really cared about secrecy within the United States, so no exploitation from China, doing this kind of reconnaissance, we would worry about our cell phones much more than we're worrying about a floating balloon that we shoot with a missile on national television.
And then, and then, we get all these other shoot-downs.
Oh, can't find the debris.
I'll just tell you, these are not UFOs.
These are balloons, and this is all theater.
Everything you're seeing from the mass media is absolute theater, other than when I do an interview with knowledge on CNN or something, because I fight for that.
I make sure the truth is being brought out.
So, Bob Lazar gave us the basics.
And then from there now, you're seeing this kind of sleight-of-hand thing going on the surface level.
But underneath the surface, there are people very interested to hear from people like Bob Lazar, who know the names of the programs, who had hands-on experience, and who actually worked on these things unsuccessfully, because we don't have the material science.
But that is also happening in tandem right now, is good people, patriotic people, are trying to find out what's up with UFOs.
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