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“TOO BIG TO MOVE!” New HIDDEN UFO Under Popular LANDMARK?! - #172 - Stay Free With Russell Brand

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	In this video, you're going to see the future.
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	Hello there, you Awakening Wonders!
	Thanks for joining us with 4 Up.
	Stay free with Russell Brand.
	And today we have an exceptional show for you, even beyond our usual high standards, because we are talking about...
	Corruption!
	Injustice!
	Fauci?
	Has there been a cover-up now?
	That's off YouTube.
	If you're watching this on YouTube, first 15 minutes we'll be here.
	Then we'll slink off like phantoms into the free speech haven of rumble, where we can speak freely of love, unity and anti-establishment sentiment.
	We go there for the speech of love, not for the language of hate.
	Also, in our presentation, here's the news now, here's the effing news, we're talking about Sound of Freedom.
	Is it the economic model behind this film, or its subject that's got the establishment, and in particular the mainstream media, all up in a twist about this issue?
	But first, we're gonna be talking about...
	Hunter Biden.
	Turns out, on-screen assistant Gareth Roy, that Hunter Biden got special treatment off the FBI.
	Now where's my special?
	Alleged, Russell, alleged.
	Hold on, I do apologise, I've got a button for that.
	Allegedly!
	Let's have a look at that story now.
	So apparently it is confirmed that the FBI told the Hunter Biden investigator to duck committee questions.
	A lawyer for the FBI told an agent who investigated Hunter Biden to avoid answering questions from the House Oversight Committee.
	The committee is probing whether the officers looking into Biden's tax affairs and drug use on a gun permit gave the 53-year-old preferential treatment.
	FBI counsel Jason Jones, you've been gone too long, sent a letter Sunday to the agent whose name has been redacted just hours before they were set to testify before the committee, telling them to dodge questions about ongoing investigative activity.
	I suppose what that reveals is they have access to the kind of legal advice that many of us would like when confronted by allegations of this nature.
	Well, he's also got the FBI on his side, allegedly.
	Gotta be useful to have.
	Allegedly.
	The FBI on the team at a time like that.
	I mean this is what has been alleged by the IRS whistleblowers wasn't it that essentially Hunter Biden in these charges basically getting off looking looking like without prison time um and only certain things investigated i.e his tax dealings and the gun charge means that essentially very little is going to come of it and when you have all the stuff that we know with the FBI and the CIA with relation to Hunter and his father, it does feel to a lot of people like he's
	got preferential treatment.
	And what about the revelations that Joe Biden is a ranted madman who uses S words, F words,
	and even C words with undue proclivity? He can't stop swearing at his staff.
	They're terrified of him, it's recently been alleged.
	Later in the week, we've got the man who wrote this book, whose name I'm not willing to tell you, coming up on this show, as soon as tomorrow.
	Can you believe it?
	DeSantis here.
	Has DeSantis missed his moment, or is his moment yet to come?
	Is the Floridian wonderland collapsing, or is Florida the pilot for a brand new America?
	What I suppose I have to query, ...is whether or not people are still interested in conventional politics at all, with 45% of Democrat voters open to third-party candidature.
	This, I suppose, is because of the rise of populist figures like RFK, Donald Trump.
	DeSantis, he's more of a within-the-establishment conventional political figure, isn't he?
	Cornel West is one of those third-party candidates who claims openly that NATO is the instrument of US global power.
	Now, why that's interesting is, of course, Cornel West He's not the kind of figure that can easily be smeared, because he's like a darling of the establishment, or at least he was until very recently.
	Oh yeah.
	I wonder what's going to happen to him now.
	Let's have a look at this viral clip where Cornel West says that NATO provoked Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which of course is the kind of thing that we say pretty regular here on Stay Free with Russell Brand, but let us know in the comments what you think about this.
	That's how empires behave, Sister Caitlin.
	If Russia had missiles in Mexico and Canada, the United States government would probably blow them to smithereens because that's how empires behave.
	We had the same challenge in Cuba in 1962.
	So what do we end up with?
	A criminal invasion.
	And I know some of my left-wing comrades who know it's an invasion.
	Criminal invasion, but a criminal invasion provoked by the expansion of NATO, which is an instrument of U.S.
	global power.
	And we have to be able to conceive of a world where when we look at China, when we look at Russia, when we look at Ethiopia, when we look at Haiti, when we look at Brazil, we got to see precious human beings rather than these competitive nation states that are trying to devour more profits, more land, and more territory.
	Can we Can we conceive of such a world?
	Can we pursue such a world?
	I think we have to.
	What's at stake?
	the destruction of the species, the destruction of the planet.
	When people start talking about humanitarian issues in an open-minded and almost,
	let me know in the comments if you agree with this, in a conventional liberal way,
	it shows us again that the reason third party candidates or renegade candidates or populist
	candidates are gaining traction is because the mainstream elite establishment has lost
	its ability to connect with ordinary people. How can they maintain that connection when you have
	a figure like Joe Biden who's apparently ranting profanely and hysterically at his staff,
	who is mired in allegations of corruption, who is unable to represent the type of
	moral position that swept him into power?
	This is surely the kind of conversation that America needs to have right now, Gareth.
	Yeah, and obviously, you know, for certainly the media establishment, I mean, Cornel West
	coming on, as you say, traditionally come from the kind of left and talking about war
	in the way that the Democrat Party are not talking about war.
	They're not talking about NATO.
	You know, we've covered this week already, NATO expanding into Asia.
	You know, the way that that is, we're kind of talking about a global domination with
	the kind of plans that NATO have to have someone from the traditional left now joining in with,
	say, RFK on his position on NATO and this war.
	And it's incredibly inconvenient.
	But as exactly as you say, it just shows the more of these figures that come through and
	literally this polling shows public has been more open to a third party or independent
	year since in the Trump era.
	So basically, you're right.
	Trump has fostered some feeling amongst the public where people are starting to think
	45 percent of them that a third party candidate is possible.
	The initial condemnation of Trump was all built on supposed condemnation of his moral character.
	He said these unacceptable things.
	He holds these horrific views.
	He is far right.
	He is a white supremacist.
	Now we have, elsewhere from within the political spectrum, RFK.
	He has to be censored for these reasons.
	Oh, he's a crackpot.
	He's an anti-vaxxer.
	He's a nutjob.
	Now we've got Cornel West.
	What are we going to censor him for?
	How many more figures that are diverse and with varying views have to emerge before what becomes clear and observable is the establishment is trying to hold on to power within the judiciary, within the media, in every aspect of American political and financial life they are clamouring to not yield their power.
	It's becoming obvious now The technology and communications miracle that means that there's the emergence of independent channels like this one, new voices like yours are able to be heard, means that they have to find new and novel ways to delegitimize opposition.
	If it's Trump, it'll be for the reasons that are applicable to Trump.
	If it's for RFK, they'll come up with some reasons there.
	If it's Cornel West, they'll come up with reasons.
	What I'm starting to think is that We are approaching the point where you could move beyond the bipartisan model.
	Not only that, you could move beyond centralisation more generally.
	Isn't it becoming clear to you, and let me know in the comments if this is true, that what you need in a nation like America is more federalisation, more democracy, more decentralisation.
	And this is something we can talk to Ron DeSantis about later this week.
	If the people of Florida have a very particular perspective, a will that they're able to demonstrate through the electoral process, then Floridians can run Florida how they want to.
	Same with California.
	Why not break it down more than that?
	The smallest possible communities, the smallest legitimate Because increasingly it's becoming evident to me that the process of centralisation affords the capacity to have elites.
	The more you decentralise, the more difficult it is to have globalist entities that dominate the world.
	The more difficult it is to have state entities that can govern wildly.
	Look at the direction that, say for example, the WHO are trying to take it in.
	They're trying to take it in a direction that they can govern from the top down.
	That all of us will contribute to WHO coffers while they pass edicts and laws.
	This is what the treaty they're advocating for right now suggests.
	A pandemic response for all of its member nations.
	That basically means all the nations of the world.
	The WHO has been hollowed out by its funding model.
	It's been publicly admitted by members of their own board that they have to respond to the needs of their funders.
	Let me know in the comments if you know who the biggest private funder of the WHO is.
	Of course you're going to get third-party candidates emerging.
	Of course you're going to hear more advocacy for true independence, because it's becoming apparent that NATO isn't a peacekeeping alliance, that it's essentially a militaristic arm, as Cornel West says, of US expansionist interests.
	Yeah, that demands 2% of GDP at a minimum.
	So again... Is that the economic rum?
	I didn't even know that.
	Did you know that?
	That's exactly what's happening.
	And that is a commitment to spend on weapons.
	And so I think, again, when you get someone like Tucker Carlson, now a kind of independent voice, free from the mainstream media, Challenging people like Mike Pence and you get more rounds of applause for Tucker Carlson than presidential candidates for the Republican Party that go back 10, 15, 20 years.
	You would never have had that.
	Once those kind of candidates are there, they're treated with, you know, respect and this, that and the other and unchallenged.
	Tucker's going there and he's making them look like fools.
	Could you see that there's more and more demand for categories like misinformation and disinformation?
	I read an article recently saying that there should be a system of hierarchies in media, like, oh, the New York Times, that's proper legit media.
	Oh, Rolling Stone even, CNN, these are verified media.
	But it seems to me that the opposite That is what's required.
	That what's naturally occurring, the erosion of trust in these institutions, the breakdown of trust in legacy media organisations like the New York Times, is just desserts for the way they've behaved.
	Of course the New York Times also reports true information, let me know in the comments if you agree with that.
	But, significantly, on issues that matter, they parrot the talking points and the views of the elite establishment.
	And now, because of the way the media is fragmenting, because of your voice, it's possible to counter those arguments.
	Yeah, we wouldn't even have questioned Mike Pence going on Tucker and saying, Of course I'm going to do exactly what Joe Biden's going to do.
	You've known that for years, haven't you?
	It doesn't matter if you vote for red or blue, you're going to vote ultimately for the military-industrial complex.
	Now you can have a figure like Tucker who's more popular than any Republican candidate, bar perhaps Trump.
	Let me know in the comments, would Tucker, if Tucker was to stand, would he trounce the opposition in the Republican party or even the Democrat party?
	Does it even matter anymore?
	Do those categories even matter anymore?
	What we have now is true populism and the true ability to convey complex and opposing points.
	But you've also got independent figures from both sides.
	Or maybe there aren't sides anymore, as we keep on talking about.
	Maybe it's the anti-establishment and the establishment now.
	Because you've essentially got Cornel West and Tucker Carlson saying the same thing.
	You've got Tucker Carlson challenging Mike Pence to say, America is falling apart, it's infrastructure is falling apart, has been for years, and we're committing 150 billion to this proxy war, essentially.
	When Tucker Carlson and Cornel West are saying the same thing, when Noam Chomsky and Donald Trump are saying the same thing, isn't that an indication that the model is collapsing?
	Let us know in the comments, let us know in the chat if you agree with that.
	If you're watching us on Rumble right now, press the red button and join us on Locals.
	You get early access to many of our best interviews, you get meditation, and you get all sorts of content Related to in-real-life events that I'm not even going to tell you about now, but we are building a movement now.
	I've got so many exciting things to tell you about.
	But now, another exciting topic before we shift to being exclusively on Rumble.
	Exciting thing.
	Sure, we got that.
	You hold on to it.
	Sure, sure.
	You just imagine what you're going to say while I'm saying this.
	I'll keep it in my mind.
	Work it out.
	See if you can edit it down to a few less words for Christ's sake.
	Because we're going to move on to the subject of UFOs, and then once we're exclusively on Rumble, we're going to talk about Falchi's gain-of-function cover-up.
	Now we're going to talk about UFOs, although Gareth seems to want to make yet another point on this independent media thing.
	It was just one point about RFK, because the interesting thing with this is that, obviously, if he loses the, you know, democrat position, he doesn't get to stand as candidate, and he stands as an independent, which has been done before, When you're looking at 45% of voters are open to that, then it's like, it's not game over.
	And obviously everyone's like, if he doesn't get the Canada sea then it's game over, but maybe it's not.
	When we continually talk to folks like Marianne Williamson or these more renegade and peripheral characters,
	they seem to yet still believe it's necessary to rise up through the ranks of one of the established parties.
	But it does seem now that you could have an alliance between peripheral figures from both parties and independent parties that would garner more support than either of the mainstream parties that ultimately are funded in the same way.
	You know that already.
	Let's have a look at the results for our poll.
	Would you be willing to vote for an independent party candidate?
	Perhaps one of the catalysts of our ever-evolving times are these stories around extraterrestrial life, UFOs and UAPs.
	One of the most significant and certainly one of the most amusing voices, post his Dave Grush interview, is Ross Colthart, friend of the show, a man who always manages to make the subject of UFOs seem incredibly sexy.
	We're going to come off of YouTube right now, as a matter of fact, and right after this we're going to talk about Fauci's gain-of-function cover-up.
	So if you're if you're watching this on YouTube, click the link in the description.
	Join us over in the home.
	Join us over at the home of free speech.
	OK, let's have a look at this story.
	People are going to question what I'm about to say.
	Have you noticed about Ross Coulthard that whatever he's talking about, it sounds like he's talking about sex.
	What if some of that shit is so big?
	How big is it, this shit?
	It can't be moved.
	Are you talking about what I think you're talking about, Ross?
	Are you talking about your spaceship down under?
	Is that what you're saying, Ross?
	Is that what you've been told?
	That's exact- You sound like sort of basically only fans.
	Isn't this like the sexiest UFO chat you've ever listened to?
	Is that what you're saying, Ross?
	Is that what you've been told?
	Yes, I'm saying there's some shit that's so big you have to store it under a building.
	If you look at my phallus, it's underneath the Sydney Opera House right now.
	I burrowed down there with the tip of my penis, which I will admit is corkscrew-shaped.
	I burrowed right down- Why that detail, though?
	Because I thought, how else are you going to penetrate the soil?
	You can't bury... If you've got, like, a domed edge... I see.
	...you can't burrow down.
	Very difficult.
	You'd need a corkscrew.
	Right.
	And you imagine he's got that, do you?
	Almost certainly.
	Or you could have a prehensile penis like a pig's one.
	Oh, yes.
	Like, which, as you know, Gareth, as you know, you don't need me to tell you that a pig's penis can independently move like that, like an octopus's.
	So what's the real revelations this week?
	I think the real revelation is that Ross Coulthart's got a prehensile penis with a corkscrew tip.
	It wouldn't say.
	How big is big?
	Big.
	What's this all about?
	I can't even imagine that they're talking about anything other than sex.
	So big, they built a building over it.
	You dirty bastard, Ross.
	In a country outside of the United States of America.
	Look how excited he is.
	He's so turned on that a building's been built over this, isn't he?
	Okay, Ross, you saucy sausage.
	Congressman Tim Burchett has revealed that UFO technology can turn us into charcoal briquettes.
	This is an extraordinary claim, really.
	Yeah.
	Why that?
	Exactly.
	Sure they can do loads of stuff, then.
	But I think if you've got that kind of technology, the last thing you want to worry about is barbecues.
	Like whether or not you've got adequate fuel for the holiday season.
	I always wonder with this chat when it's like, oh they've got such advanced weaponry, it's like, alright, come on then, how much do you want for the weapons?
	I always feel like that's essentially where this is going.
	Yeah, that they're going to just, they're essentially trying to market this tech for weapons.
	We've learned that there's life from outer space, and that it's dangerous, and we could sell its technology to kill people on this planet.
	Oh, brilliant.
	What a great revelation.
	Hey, should we talk for a while about Fauci's gain-of-function cover-up?
	I think we should, because we've promised people that we're going to.
	What is it?
	What has he done now?
	Just when I think I know everything I need to know about Fauci, it comes out of another outrageous piece of skullduggery.
	A newly unredacted email from Anthony Fauci suggesting the Covid-19 pandemic may have been grounded in gain-of-function research essentially reveals his public statements from then on were an aggressive attempt to hide the truth, former CDC director Robert Redfield said on Monday.
	Now I don't want you to get confused here.
	It's not the Robert Redfield that you... It's not Robert... Sundance Film Festival.
	No.
	Yeah, I know.
	I know exactly what you mean.
	Blonde, dishy, gorgeous.
	The letter in question has been nearly completely redacted save for the first line.
	Fauci wrote to folks that the viral sequence found in the coronavirus strain contained mutations in the virus that would have been most unusual to have evolved naturally in bats, adding there had been suspicion that this mutation was intentionally inserted.
	Yeah.
	So basically he wrote this very early on so this is before the proximal origin paper that we know about which was essentially to go with no this you know came from the wet market despite the many voices at the time scientific voices that were saying we're not sure we think it's going to come from a lab and Fauci in an email here that's now been revealed saying that there's a suspicion that this mutation was intentionally inserted i must have been in a lab so again it's not something that we kind of didn't know already but The more and more that these emails are uncovered, and the more and more voices that are added to, we were saying this at the time, or this was redacted, or we weren't allowed to say this, just confirms what we've been thinking for a while, that this was a lab leak.
	They knew all along, RFK says if he becomes president he's going to prosecute Fauci, release Assange, it's a complete reversal of the order.
	When people say stuff like the New York Times by and large is a reliable news source, or CNN is a reliable news source, how can they not take into account this story, perhaps the most significant and defining story of our age?
	A global pandemic, the first one since Spanish flu in 1918 or ever, which appears to have been handled in an extraordinary way.
	And most of the time when you untangle some of the anomalies, hypocrisies and contradictions, it appears to point towards corruption.
	Oh yeah.
	Every single time.
	Yeah, because essentially what we're looking at now is that this was funded.
	By China and the US government.
	And then it was covered up.
	It was a massive cover-up.
	And then all the things that followed that, all the measures that were taken, all the people that lost their jobs, all the people that were deemed to be conspiracy theorists or should be shamed, all of those things followed these decisions.
	Some of the people that were sort of condemned most for being conspiracy theorists were much closer to the truth than just ordinary everyday news.
	Isn't that extraordinary?
	Is the world changing?
	Do you think it is?
	With these revelations around UFOs, with the emergence that many Americans, nearly half, ...of Americans would be willing to vote for a third-party candidate, the revelation that the whole pandemic narrative is starting to unravel, and also new emergent models for making entertainment, whether it's us independently bringing you news from a variety of perspectives, not to advocate for hatred but indeed the opposite, to advocate for love, or the new movie Sound of Freedom, a movie that's been funded in a novel way
	promoted outside of the mainstream and is breaking box office records.
	Let's have a look at Sound of Freedom.
	Why is it that the mainstream media hate it?
	Is it because it's a threat to their monopoly?
	Or is it because the subject matter is a subject they simply don't want to discuss?
	Here's the news.
	No, here's the effing news.
	Thanks for watching the Fox News News video.
	No, here's the fucking news.
	Sound of Freedom is smashing it at the box office and is being attacked continually by the mainstream.
	Is that because it's a box office success?
	Is it because of QAnon conspiracy theories?
	Is it because it's a new emergent business model?
	Or does the establishment have something more serious to hide?
	Hello there you 6.5 million awakening wonders.
	Thanks for joining me on this voyage to truth and freedom.
	A voyage we can undertake together in glory and success.
	New stories are being told, new economic models are emerging, new challenges to the monopoly of entertainment and culture.
	Whether you agree with their position or presumed position or not, you have to acknowledge this is a significant, maybe even seismic shift in the way that entertainment is made, funded, promoted and the way it reaches its audience.
	How has Sound of Freedom become such a success?
	Let me know why you went to see it.
	Is it because of the subject matter?
	Is it because you're excited that films are getting made that have a different relationship with the audience?
	Let me know in the comments below and turn on the notification bell and subscribe.
	We met with Jim Caviezel and Tim Ballard and I'll show you an exclusive part of that conversation later.
	But first, let's try and understand the success of this film and have a little look at it together.
	How'd that make you feel?
	Giving a child his freedom?
	Felt good.
	Twelve years.
	Why are you doing it?
	Because God's children are not for sale.
	It appears that there's a cultural thirst for a film that presents an issue that you might imagine all people would agree on is worthy of attention.
	The trafficking of children appears to be more pervasive than people have previously thought and are willing to discuss.
	And it seems that American audiences in particular, and let me know how you feel in the comments, have a real appetite to see this story told.
	A story that is righteous, clearly connected to Christian values.
	Angel Studios also of course made The Chosen, which is a retelling of gospel stories.
	And as a side note, stars my friend Jonathan as our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, but was also my body double when I used to be in HBO's show with The Rock, Ballers.
	So I am able to say that Jesus was my body double.
	This job tears you to pieces.
	It's impossible to talk about Sound of Freedom without acknowledging that part of the mainstream avenue of attack is around the QAnon connection.
	Now what is this QAnon connection?
	It seems that just people that like QAnon also like this film.
	Is this film inherently right-wing?
	Is there something particularly or especially conservative about it?
	In some ways, couldn't you say it's about rescuing Latino children and breaking down exploitation and sex trafficking is plainly bad?
	I'm very surprised now by the nature of the culture wars.
	Sometimes I find it difficult to track what What side things are supposed to be on.
	That's actually why I refuse to participate in those categories and boundaries anymore.
	I do believe in freedom.
	I do believe in new economic models and ways of making content and entertainment.
	Obviously we participate in it.
	And I can't help but feel that many of the attacks levelled at this movie are because this has bypassed the ordinary systems of promotion and production.
	This is not made by one of the big studios, this has not been promoted in the normal way, and it's still found a massive audience.
	I feel that the media in general are very threatened, obviously, by new independent media models, because what they have is a kind of collective monopoly.
	I know collective monopoly sounds somewhat Paradoxical.
	But what I mean is there's a sort of an easy tension between the media superpowers that make television and movies and if you start to find ways where you can make content and say look we don't care if this is a popular subject or if you presume it has affiliations with particular political persuasions which By the way, are allowed.
	People are allowed to be conservative.
	People are allowed to be Republican.
	People are allowed to be right-wing.
	Just the same way as people are allowed to be Democrat.
	People are allowed to be liberal.
	People are allowed to be progressive.
	These things shouldn't be oppositional because if they are...
	That is tyranny.
	And liberalism means freedom, and libertarianism means freedom.
	So what's the argument that everyone's having?
	My assumption is, is that the mainstream media, as with our kind of content, doesn't like the emergence of this type of model.
	The same way that the mainstream attacked Joe Rogan during coronavirus because of his outspoken stance on health, alternative medicines, and his willingness to have a variety of conversations on the subject of coronavirus and the handling of the pandemic.
	They obviously opposed the content, but they oppose even the concepts of Joe Rogan.
	They don't want there to be a Joe Rogan.
	Joe Rogan is a real thorn in the side.
	Beyond that now though, he's overtaken them, hasn't he, plainly?
	This is comparable, I think.
	There's something about the content they don't like.
	There's something about it that they don't like.
	And it's difficult to reflect on what that might be.
	And I hope it isn't what some of you will doubtlessly be saying in the comments.
	I really hope that the reason this film is receiving all of these criticisms and attacks is not because there's institutionalised sex trafficking to a degree where people don't want it spoken about.
	That's a terrifying concept to me.
	What is easier to understand is they are threatened by the economic model itself and don't want people to go, hey, listen, you know, if you want to do remakes of old films, and hey, I've been in a remake of an old film, you know, if you want to do that stuff and it has an audience, you make it.
	But if we want to make stuff that's about Christianity or Islam or whatever, like, you know, whether it's a religious or cultural idea, I don't see what it is about this film that's an attack on anybody's values.
	I don't understand that at all.
	It seems like it's somewhat anti-deep state because it's a rogue and renegade figure that breaks away from bureaucracy in order to do what he believes was necessary to be done.
	The fact is it's based on the truth, like any movie that's based on the truth.
	There's extemporization, there's the collapsing of characters, there's the simplification and amplification of certain events and details.
	That's standard in any narrativization of true events.
	But what I don't actually understand is Why they are choosing to conflate it so strongly with things that are plainly nefarious.
	I don't even know quite where the cartilage is between, we've rescued these children that were being sex trafficked and QAnon.
	I don't get that.
	In a way, perhaps part of the reason this film has become such a phenomena is it provides us the opportunity to talk about the nature of conspiracy theory and censored information.
	Conspiracy theories, over the last few years, have gained a lot of momentum.
	Some of these conspiracy theories might be extreme and some of them seem quite plausible.
	In particular, when you talk about QAnon, people start talking about Pizzagate or that furniture shop where people said it was a front for trafficking.
	And those might be some of the more outlandish aspects I don't know.
	Let me know what you think in the comments.
	But in our country, the UK, there was recently an investigation into Westminster, the seat of our parliamentary power, that's the same as saying Capitol Hill in your language, and presumed nefarious activity, the worst kind of nefarious activity that you can imagine.
	You're spot on.
	In fact, the subject of this film covers exactly that activity.
	And mysteriously, about three prime ministers ago, which could have been an hour ago in our country, we'd churn through them, like, they lost There's gonna be an inquiry into some pretty serious stuff.
	There's some accusations being made about things going on in Westminster.
	Right, we're doing an inquiry.
	Right, there's the evidence.
	Oh, no, we've lost it.
	We'll have to stop the inquiry.
	That doesn't make you feel more comfortable that there is no such thing as conspiracy theories, does it?
	The fact that you still can't talk about the assassination of JFK, or at least you can't talk about it, you can't get access to the information, that there are aspects of the pandemic that are still heavily redacted and controlled.
	Conspiracy emerges out of clandestine spaces when there is no trust in authority.
	And the reason there's no trust in authority is because we live in a surveillance state with increasing censorship.
	Information is being controlled with the creation of new categories.
	And when something like this emerges that's entrepreneurial and perhaps Christian, which is one way of looking at reality.
	I know a lot of you guys are Christian and I love Jesus Christ.
	People attack it saying, oh, it's to do with QAnon.
	Well, I don't know, man.
	It seems like that's a little bit of a stretch.
	It seems, too, that the whole area of conspiracy theory, when we're now investigating the truth of UFOs publicly, is something that we might have to reprise.
	We might have to reappraise our attitude towards.
	Because it increasingly seems that stuff that's regarded as conspiracy theory often has at least some truth to it, and sometimes is just completely true.
	And this is my woman.
	She has to put those pieces back together.
	Even though the subject is pretty heavy and dark, kind of like other Hollywood films, isn't it?
	I mean, it's like Taken, like the idea of a lone guy who's opposing the forces of corruption and going against the system.
	I mean, that's a really recognisable Hollywood trope.
	So why in particular has this garnered so much negative attention?
	Once again, I believe it's because it was promoted, ignoring the usual channels of promotion, i.e.
	This is almost like the Robert F. Kennedy of movies, popularising itself without having to go through the traditional gatekeepers.
	It's funded without the typical Hollywood backers, and it contains a subject that evidently holds some tension in particular circles.
	It's a very extraordinary phenomena, this, and to see it conflated overtly with conspiracy theory is interesting.
	Perhaps the people involved in this film are Christian.
	Perhaps the people involved in this film have conservative values that are at odds with the presumed liberalism of many of the institutions within entertainment.
	But that's not a problem, is it?
	It's meant to be a free country.
	People are meant to be out to be Republican or Democrat or Libertarian or Liberal or Progressive or Traditional.
	What's the problem?
	Unless the real problem is they simply don't want this subject being discussed.
	Why don't you let me know in the comments whether you think it's the subject of this film that's the problem, or the economic model of the film that's the problem, or both.
	Let's have a look at this in more detail.
	Sound of Freedom, the crowdfunded film, moved up the box office ranking in its second weekend in theatres, a rarity for movies, and a sign of the strong support for the film.
	Particularly from right-wing audiences, despite the scrutiny it has faced for its lead actors' ties to conspiracy theories.
	We spoke to Jim Caviezel.
	We'll show a bit of that in a minute.
	Sound of Freedom took home the number two spot at the box office this weekend, earning $27 million from Friday to Sunday and over $85 million overall since it opened in theatres on July the 4th, according to Box Office Mojo.
	That means there's going to be more films like this because it's an economic success and this is proof of concept that there is a market for this type of content.
	So of course it's being attacked and smeared.
	Here's part of the fantastic conversation I had with Jim Caviezel and Tim Ballard.
	Let me know what you thought of it in the comments.
	Can you tell me a little bit about the process of getting this film made?
	Tim, tell us how you've come to be in this position and as well touch on stuff
	and why you believe it's so important that people see Sound of Freedom.
	Yeah, great.
	So I spent 12 years as a special agent, undercover operator, and I would get deeper and deeper as the years went on, trying to find the root of the problem.
	Eventually started getting overseas and started doing overseas operations.
	And in 2012, 2013, I was working a case in Colombia, got further than I was supposed to get, and they said, come home.
	And I said, I can't.
	I've made myself the bait.
	I've gone too deep.
	And they said, well, then you have to quit your job if you want to continue the operation.
	And I did.
	It was a very difficult decision.
	And we went ahead and my wife and I decided to quit.
	And we finished the operation as, you know, private citizens, if you will.
	And the operation was enormous.
	It ended on October 11, 2014.
	The biggest operation, the biggest rescue operation that I think I've ever heard of.
	There was over 120 women and children rescued, 15 traffickers arrested.
	And the mainstream media in the United States, back when they Everybody thought it was still good to say child trafficking is bad.
	They reported.
	It's the craziest thing.
	It was all over the news.
	Everyone was like, yay, we're helping kids.
	And one of the producers, Eduardo Verastegui, Alejandro Monteverde, saw that clip with the mainstream media.
	And that's how they found me, ironically, through the mainstream media and said, let's make a movie out of this.
	Nine years later, The same mainstream media is acting like, well, I don't think it really happened.
	It's the most bizarre twist of events, but that's how it got started.
	And they came to me and said, who do you want to play you in the film?
	And right out of the gate, I said, Jim Caviezel.
	Hands down, Jim Caviezel.
	And at first they said they love Jim as an actor, but they wanted someone that looks a little bit like me because they had written into the script kind of this transitional thing at the end where they show real footage.
	And I said, I don't care.
	Look, I'm not a big fan of what Hollywood produces.
	I think that some of the stuff that's produced there is the reason we have a demand for child sex in the United States.
	And I know Jim is in, but not of, Hollywood.
	He loves Jesus.
	I love Jesus.
	And that's it.
	And they said, OK, we'll move forward with Jim.
	And they know they made the right decision.
	I'm trying to think who else could have done it.
	I mean, you gotta have Jim Caviezel.
	When he flashes that smile, you're in all sorts of trouble.
	I'm trying to think of what other casting direction you could have gone in there to tell you the truth, Tim.
	Now, like, of course, yeah, I'm old enough to remember when child sex trafficking was universally condemned.
	I'm also old enough to remember that when people used to speak about networks of child sex stuff, that it was sort of regarded as a
	conspiracy theory. Then there were some high-profile stories in our country that
	suggested that there was more truth to it than people had dared to imagine,
	because it's such a horrific thing for most of us even to contemplate that.
	Then of course in recent years we've had the Epstein story, which makes it
	yet more palpable that there appears to be a connection between these most nefarious
	and, let's say, sort of ghouling and ghoulish activities and the activities
	of powerful people.
	And now, having spoken to both of you for a few minutes, it becomes pretty plain why certain aspects of the media are not willing to promote this film.
	One, I think, is because it is an economic model that's outside of their control.
	It's a promo model that's outside of their control.
	And it's plain that from just from your most recent answer, Tim, that you believe there's a connection between this type of activity and powerful institutions, shall we say.
	So evidently there is, you know, now it makes more sense.
	But what I'd read up to now is that they were saying it's connected to groups like QAnon and conspiracy theories.
	But one of the things I've learned over the last few years, and I'm certainly not saying I believe, I don't believe in anything until there's proof.
	I just can't be bothered with the arguments.
	But certainly the last few years have shown me that things that start off as conspiracy theories end up being verified.
	And I pray to God that this is not something that gets further verification.
	Tim, I want to say, mate, that obviously you've gone into areas that most people aren't willing to Confront.
	Most everybody of course is opposed to exploitation and violence or right-minded sane and awakened people of course.
	But most of us haven't experienced the jagged end of this type of cruelty.
	It seems that Jim It's been difficult for Jim just sort of playing you and going through the process of promoting this film.
	What kind of burden and scars are you carrying or do you feel enriched and empowered by the success of the work more than you feel traumatized by the dark side of it?
	It's a mixed bag.
	It depends on the day.
	I have a million holes in my brain.
	You can't watch thousands of hours of small children being sexually assaulted without having some pretty serious damage.
	Again, there's a reason I asked Jim to play me.
	Because that spiritual side is the only place I have found healing.
	You know, a really cool story.
	Jim didn't know this.
	He ad-libbed my favorite line into the movie.
	He didn't know that was my line for life, my line for my operations.
	When I'm going into dark places, such that you see depicted in the film, there's a line from the scripture I read to myself over and over again.
	It's where Jesus stands on little children.
	It's the only time perhaps in the Bible where he truly gets violent, even mafioso violent, in his language because he says, I think we kind of pass by this too quickly sometimes when we read the Bible.
	He says that it's better that a millstone be hung about your neck and you tossed to the bottom of the sea than that you should hurt one of these little children.
	I mean, that is, it's Jesus, so it's righteous, but it's also mafioso.
	It's like cement shoes kind of stuff.
	Right?
	Like, this is what the Mafia does to people when they cross them.
	Well, this is what Jesus is going to do to you if you cross these little children.
	That was important to me because I say to myself when I'm going into dark places, I'm scared.
	Don't get me.
	You're going to watch that movie and think I'm some brave guy.
	I'm no braver than the next guy.
	I'm scared to death going into these undercover situations where my life's on the line.
	But I say to myself, Jesus is violently on my side.
	And that means I can have faith That I can be violently on his side, and we're gonna be okay.
	And so, in the movie, there's a scene, it's a real scene in a cafe where we arrest this pedophile in the film, his name is Oshensky, and Jim leans over and ad-libs a line that's not in the script.
	And he didn't know this was my go-to line.
	He looks at the pedophile moments before he's about to be arrested, and he says to him, better than a millstone be hung about your neck and you tossed to the bottom of the sea, then you should hurt one of these little ones.
	And the actor, who did a phenomenal job, he didn't know what to do because, I mean, Jim's ad-libbing this line, and it seems out of context for a millisecond, and then two seconds later, you realize what Jim's doing.
	You realize what the actor, Jim, is doing, trying to depict me sending a message to this Sick, sick person before he goes down.
	And that is why Jim Caviezel had to play me.
	Because that's, to answer your question, that's how I heal.
	I only heal.
	I heal during the operation.
	During the dark moments, I've already begun my process of healing because I bring Jesus and all that Jesus brings and redemptive power from the get-go.
	So both of you are able to endure these experiences and render them through your connection to a gangster Christ.
	Christ that's willing to take it to the dark places.
	This is not the Jesus peacefully with the lamb This is the Jesus with the moneylenders.
	This is the Jesus with the millstones.
	So, like, that's pretty serendipitous and synchronous, Jim, that you were able to come up with that line.
	It's pretty plain that your Christianity directs you as an actor and as a man.
	How did you bring that to bear on this part and, in particular, in that scene?
	Well, if you go back to the Passion of the Christ, Our makeup artists, Christian Tinsley and Keith Vanderlyn, they were showing, Mel Gibson was showing the Shroud of Turin and it had, when they showed it and put it up on a kind of light that could come through it, you could see all of the track lines in it.
	The Cat O' Nine Tails, the whips they used on him and immediately both of them believed that this was real.
	And then I said, why are you making such a big deal of it?
	And they said, well, look at his face.
	There's such a piece to it.
	And then they pulled, I said, I don't understand.
	And they pulled this out and you see this picture, this This is how all of the bodies they use from people that have been decapitated, murdered, or anything, and the way that they, when a person dies, the face is frozen in that horrible look, and you see the face of Jesus on that, you see, does this look like a criminal?
	Now, when I was doing the, so I, the, The work that I was going to do on this, I had to go to those depths because when people watch it in the theater, they're having a personal experience with something internal inside of them.
	And there was no different than when I was with Tim and I had to go to the places.
	So I met with Tim originally and then he was busy.
	I went over to Utah and got to see his whole place where he works and his men and everything.
	And then I went to other agents that I've known for many years that I went through and started researching all of this stuff.
	And you couldn't look at this stuff without having some protection in your soul.
	But what drove me more than anything was my own children and possibly losing them.
	And so that weaponized me.
	That made me, obviously, as you say, the Jesus that was going to be a bit of a thumper in this one.
	And so I was Um you know it's it's I I uh I even thinking about it right now um it just I think the children and seeing um that uh it
	It's different than an adult watching something that's older, but it relates to Jesus because he was the most innocent there ever was, and the children are the closest to that.
	So, plainly, Sound of Freedom has ruffled some feathers.
	It's caused some consternation and concern.
	Is that because of the economic model, or is that because of the subject?
	Maybe it's a little bit of both.
	But that's just what I think.
	Let me know what you think in the chat.
	See you in a second.
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	The world is changing fast.
	Child sex trafficking rings are regarded as a right-wing talking point.
	Independent candidates are emerging that could challenge the establishment.
	UFOs are landing everywhere, and the only thing that the establishment can think to do is to turn their technology into weaponry.
	But football's not like that.
	Football is nice.
	Hello and thank you for joining me, Russell Brand, for Football is Nice.
	Joining me is Gareth Roy.
	Today we will be talking about global football issues and how football could be a vehicle to save the world if only we'd let it.
	Surely you're aware that Lionel Messi has gone to David Beckham's Inter Miami.
	He went shopping.
	I don't even think it was that nice of a supermarket.
	There he is shopping.
	He's got Bought himself some unusual stuff.
	He's got some quiches in there.
	He's got some silk, sort of milk product.
	He's got a family sized... Cereal?
	Does Lionel Messi do his own shopping?
	Because he's an elite athlete, he can't just eat carbs like that, can he?
	Look at you, looking on that, all jealous.
	You could eat that stuff.
	I'd love that stuff, I'd love that big basket of crap Lionel Messi's getting.
	And contrast it with the celebratory welcoming ceremony.
	And let us know, do you think this is a PR picture or is this how Lionel Messi lives?
	Let's have a look at the promo in Miami's extraordinary stadium.
	I would like to introduce to you your number 10, Inter-Miami number 10, America's number 10,
	the best number 10 in the world, Leorel Andres Messi.
	On my part, one of the hardest workers.
	Real firm believer in practice, make perfect.
	We gather all the water, stay thirsty.
	Took a lot to get us here, we broke curses.
	Kill to be killed, a feel so no mercy.
	Oh man, I don't know what to make of this.
	You don't like the direction it's going in.
	Because I remember, you know, if you look at Beckham, obviously Beckham was like the biggest, I don't know, global name in football.
	The kind of, the association with, I guess, the corporatism of the game.
	And now it's just go, could it have got even bigger than Beckham?
	Oh yeah, quite easily.
	Look at it now, and who's going to be next?
	Do you remember, like, it used to be Real Madrid that did very fancy unveilings.
	Yes.
	I feel like someone popped out of a pod once.
	I think it was, um, who's the- I think you're right.
	The winger, the DeMaria.
	Oh, DeMaria.
	I think DeMaria had a really weird unveiling where it was like Back to the Future, but I think he almost came- you know when Mighty McFly comes out of that barn in a yellow suit and he scares that family that got a rifle and that?
	I think they recreated that exactly for the unveiling of Di Maria.
	I think they built a tiny barn, like when Zach Galifianakis interviewed Obama in the White House, and it looked like the normal between two phones set and then the walls fall off and you realise they're in the Oval Office.
	It was like that.
	If you have a look at Di Maria's unveiling ceremony, have a look at it.
	His transfer was extraordinary, or at least his unveiling was.
	And David Beckham, yeah I remember.
	I suppose with David Beckham, it was somewhat organic, his ascendancy to superstar status, because he's sort of really good looking, and he married a pop star, and he was an excellent footballer.
	But do you remember how, after his little backheel on Diego Simeone in, was that 2002, that World Cup?
	Or 98?
	I think it was 98.
	They burned effigies of him.
	Like, that's a real pendular swing that he experienced there, from like, has he been naïve yet?
	He will get naïve sooner or later, David Beckham.
	He's sort of like almost a media untouchable, he's adored, he represents...
	I would say the sort of perfect marriage of kind of commodity and excellence and branding.
	You can't achieve any of those things if you're not excellent, can you really?
	None of it would be possible if he hadn't been such an excellent and dedicated athlete.
	And now, you know, Messi perhaps one of the greatest geniuses to ever have played football.
	It's odd to see him occupy that space.
	What remains now?
	What remains of the game that we are celebrating?
	It's interesting as well because I heard stories about the PSG fans that don't like Messi.
	They think he was disrespectful to them.
	I know he had that trip to was it Qatar or Saudi?
	I can't remember when he like was late for training or something like that.
	there they're not huge fans of him and they had a big unveiling when he went to
	PSG but it doesn't matter does it you can just essentially get bought by
	different franchise and celebrated in a different country and it can be even
	bigger and better than the one before it's unstoppable isn't it this force
	yeah there's the ongoing abstraction from the reality of it It wasn't, I suppose though, we have to remember, it ain't that long ago that Messi just had an unbelievable World Cup.
	Yeah.
	Where like, his contributions were excellent.
	It wasn't like watching an athlete in decline experiencing a swan song.
	It was his exemplary excellence that Lionel Messi brought to that World Cup.
	So, and it was you that made the point that in spite of the Fears about the game becoming increasingly commodified and the furore around the World Cup being held in, in this instance, Qatar and human rights issues and all of that stuff.
	It was just a bloody good World Cup.
	It can sustain it.
	So maybe it can sustain this, but I suppose sometimes I feel like with the MLS, other than, and I don't mean to be disrespectful in particular to it, because I know that women's soccer and girls' soccer is really big.
	In your country, the United States, but and I know that there's a big Latin population and other, you know, sort of former European and African nation population that have the kind of care for football that we have.
	Yeah, it still feels grafted on even when I see you see the stadium and when I try to hold together the image of him being barely recognized in a supermarket and the image of these of the sort of the pink shirt and the peculiarly lit stadium.
	What it feels like to me is a graft.
	Yes.
	A graft and a grift.
	Yeah.
	I don't know, man.
	I sort of struggle to get beyond it.
	It's hard, isn't it?
	because you can come across as being just cynical and I guess suggesting that it's not
	as important over there or that it's not as meaningful over there and I guess diehard
	fans in the United States would not be happy with that kind of analysis of it.
	But I know what you mean.
	I think it's something to do with the speed of it all and yes, I guess the game has been
	growing.
	Was it 94, the World Cup in the US?
	So it has been growing for a while.
	It didn't qualify for that World Cup.
	No, we did not.
	And it was on late at night, so it was a very shit World Cup on my portable black and white in my bedroom.
	That's how I remember that, World Cups, of watching it and not really being able to properly get involved in it.
	Oh, it's Santi Carzolla.
	Well, when he left Arsenal to go to Villarreal, that is what it was.
	We'll have a look at that mad unveiling in a minute, but I just want to make sort of a weird political point.
	Like, when Cornel West talks about NATO and the contribution that NATO infringement on former Soviet territories made to this current war, whilst simultaneously acknowledging Russia's invasion, you're allowing into the political conversation a degree of complexity that ain't normally afforded it, and somehow I was going to connect that to a I can't remember how I was going to connect that, because the sort of image of Santi Corzola's unveiling at Villarreal is so mad.
	Like, if you listen to this as a podcast, a sort of tube that can only have come from the mind of Dr. Emmett Brown is on the screen at Villarreal Stadium, and let's have a look at the unveiling of Santi Corzola.
	There's a tube like filled with dry ice bearing the emblem of the club
	and a man who does look like a magician he's got a sort of magician's haircut I would say
	and a sort of pallid complexion of a man who spent a lot of time
	in an attic learning close-up magic and intermittently masturbating
	about to sort of practice the unveiling. Let's have a look.
	He's a great person and all of that adds up, right?
	And you could tell people were really looking forward to seeing him.
	Don't like magicians.
	No.
	I don't like them.
	No disrespect if you're a magician.
	But when someone comes up to me and goes, do you want to see a magic trick?
	The true answer is, fuck off.
	Sure.
	Right?
	I don't want to see a magic trick.
	Yeah.
	I know what it is.
	Like, you've just come up to me and go, I want to make you look a fool now.
	That's what it is, isn't it?
	The only people I would let do a magic trick, because someone did one when I was at community the other day, is a child.
	And even then, I resented it a bit.
	Right.
	He resented the child.
	A bit.
	Because he came up and he goes, pick a card, pick a card, and all that.
	And it's like, you know, you also know what's going to happen, don't you?
	All right, yeah, you know what the card is.
	I did have some magic lessons, though.
	That is the wrong attitude.
	Is it to magic?
	Well, to A, a child, I would say.
	Yeah.
	I had magic lessons.
	I know you did.
	This is the great irony with all this.
	You think it's sour grapes?
	You think this is sour grapes?
	You look at them in disgust and then on the side go, get me a lesson with the best magician in all of England.
	I loved him, that lad.
	He came round my house wearing a suit.
	He had the vibe.
	You know how people have their natural age that you feel they're going to arrive at, that they're waiting to arrive at?
	This guy was a grandad.
	He was only 25 or 30, but he was just waiting to grandad out.
	He was wearing a suit.
	It was too hot for that.
	It was a three-piece suit, I think.
	It was in quite heavy fabric, almost maybe even a tweed.
	Taught me magic.
	He had a young son.
	He was a lovely lad, and he was a bit, what do I want to say?
	Do I want to say portly?
	I took his son to work with him.
	He did have the son there, but I just knew he had a son, and I'm just building his character and just letting you know that I'm regarding him with some compassion.
	Anyway, he taught me the magic, the usual, three balls.
	Don't be childish.
	Now listen.
	Three balls, right?
	Yeah.
	He'd done that, three balls, pick a card, any card, all that stuff.
	The fact is, is magic, there's another word for magic, lies.
	Because what it is, is some lies.
	I wanted to learn it from my children, really.
	Right.
	So they love it.
	They love a bit of that.
	Yeah.
	You know, like 10p behind the ear.
	Or the usual.
	Did you master that one?
	Not really.
	No, I can.
	I learned a few of them anyway.
	Why are you doing it around the office?
	We'd get a real kick out of all this.
	You didn't know this whole time.
	You've been hiding all these magic tricks that you've got.
	You've been brilliant.
	The three balls.
	Well, we don't want that one.
	The penny behind the ear we're into.
	We'll do it to some staff members.
	The penny behind the ear and the three balls are very closely connected.
	Um, like, what it is, anyway, is that I don't like it.
	When I was at that restaurant in Primrose Hill the other day, with my friend Ang Harrod, and like, the guy comes over and goes, I can see you're having lunch, and I thought, well... Right, that's the end of the sentence.
	The end of the sentence, fuck off.
	Right?
	But nevertheless, I'm gonna bother you with this magic, and like, for Instagram pictures and stuff, and like, mate, to be honest, I'm having a bit of a chat, you know, and like, but then he come back later, I was like, what I said to him, Was my time honored, Lye?
	I'll come get you just before I'm leaving.
	Someone's to do that if it's someone who wants a photograph for a little kid or something like that.
	He'd come back for another bite of the cherry.
	He inflicted his magic on us.
	His magic involved things like, sort of, mobile phones.
	It was so intrusive.
	I just, I don't like the relationship, actually, of magic.
	No.
	Because you're a dupe.
	Yes.
	Aren't you?
	Yeah.
	They dupe you.
	I think they also, a magician, they You're right, you're being juked.
	But also they have kind of access to you that you wouldn't normally give to someone in such a short space of time.
	And I don't mean like inner cavity access, I just mean... If someone said to you...
	Uh, do you have a minute?
	I'm going to show you my penis.
	You're most likely nine times out of ten.
	Absolutely not.
	Yeah.
	I'd only do it if I had some particular reason for being interested in seeing it.
	Yeah.
	There's this lad on Instagram, I'm sure he's nice, or TikTok, or one of those things.
	I see it every now and again.
	Gut bucket.
	I'm sure he's great and everything.
	But the shtick is pretending to rob someone.
	And he goes at someone, so if someone's holding, like, a laptop or an iPad, and he'll go to grab it off someone, and that person immediately goes, -"No, give me it back!"
	-"No, Peter, you're robbing me!"
	And then this fellow, like, lifts up his, uh, hoodie to reveal he's this magician, and then he does a dance, and then everyone goes, -"Oh!"
	Now, I wouldn't be happy with that.
	I'd be the one person that'd get this whole, I don't know, montage of people reacting really well, and then me and you at the end, who were just curious the whole way through.
	I'll tell you what, I wouldn't take it.
	No.
	Like, I don't... Again, if you take off your hood, there's not that many people in the world that you could be that I'd... that would overcome you trying to take my laptop.
	No.
	But actually, look at this!
	I'm... it's Redding!
	Hmm... Nevertheless!
	I did try and take my laptop.
	Yeah.
	Sheena Easton Give us me laptop back. Let's have a look at Santi Carzola
	You know coming out of a test tube like a test tube baby Me ciano buenos que sabien que iba a parecer pero que les a
	sorprendido igual por encomo Magician gays were stupid shoes. Yeah
	La gente con ganas de verle como chelous young he's like a nation of bothered with him because he's actually he's
	wearing a waistcoat He's distracting from the eventual revelation of Santi Carzolla.
	Although I'm interested in how they did this, and I think it might be mirrors around that thing in the bottom, on the bottom.
	The tube is on a platform, the platform is apparently transparent, but I would suggest to you it's mirrors around
	that and little Santi Carzolo, who's only a tiny little lad anyway, isn't he?
	Well he could probably just duck down at the bottom.
	Santi Carzolo could stand upright under that platform, he's a gnomish guy, wasn't he?
	I think it's going to be a great season for him, for the fans, and there's a great communion with all of this.
	I told him this afternoon that of all the famous...
	You can also see that only one bit of the platform at the bottom is reflecting the glass.
	Now I'll tell you what it does as well, is magic turns me into a pedant, because I'm so against their magic that I'm
	always looking for how they're really doing it.
	Sorry.
	I see it as an analogous to the way we're tricked by the mainstream media.
	Very nice.
	Here we go.
	There it is.
	I want Calzola to come out wheezing and then have to miss a quarter of the season due to an asthma attack.
	A terrible asthma attack because of the dry ice.
	Yeah, I'd like that as well.
	and he mutated and one of his legs fell off There are many people we have worked with
	to make magic appear and it's very easy with him, he doesn't cause any problems
	He's beamed down now He's very nice, he's funny
	The magician is really trying to take the credit for it He's also one of those Latin fellas with red hair
	You don't get them very often and I'm against it He nearly went very spinal tap then, didn't he?
	Yeah, I see.
	He's trapped in there.
	Sorry, I'm afraid of Santi Corzola's trapped in there.
	He's only got 10 minutes of oxygen.
	It's like that submarine.
	Santi Corzola still trapped in a tube.
	Still ain't found the fucking Titanic.
	We'll come together and get our hands together again.
	Also, if I can say, I don't know how well Sane Cosola went on to do at Villarreal, but I would say also that he's not
	top drawer enough of a player.
	He isn't.
	He was good at Arsenal for a bit, he was alright.
	He'd already peaked at Arsenal.
	He peaked at Arsenal, he's been injured for about two years.
	He's fallen apart.
	Yeah, the whole thing looks ironic.
	The whole thing looks like taking a piss.
	We've gotten all this trouble of all this dry ice.
	Might as well get that magician to play in midfield.
	He might as well.
	He's got his little booties on already.
	His little yellow suede booties.
	There are some other transfers that we can look at.
	Jack Graphic.
	Bad Graphics Jack's done a bloody fucking graphic.
	Let's have a look at that then.
	We've waited to mock West Ham's failure to sign anyone.
	Let's have a look.
	I do want Edison Alvarez.
	Paulina's good as well.
	I don't know much about Paulina.
	He's been great at Fulham last season.
	He'd be a good sign in.
	Alright.
	Harry Maguire?
	Apparently Chelsea.
	I heard today Chelsea want him.
	That makes me want him a bit.
	Because I like that when other people want something and I think maybe I want that.
	That's how advertising works.
	Maybe I want to be a magician after all.
	Being a magician's good.
	Like say you see someone having an advert.
	They're having a magnum.
	You think, hang on.
	Especially when he does that.
	Oh, the crack of the fucking... Oh, my God.
	Oh, lovely, that.
	It's not just the chalk ice with a stick in it.
	This is a lifestyle choice, this.
	It's got a stick up its backside.
	It's a chalk ice, go on, but it's got a stick up it.
	Oh, crack through that into the magnum.
	I'll have one, if you don't mind.
	Edison Alvarez, that's who we want.
	Right.
	And I also want... Why are you so obsessed with him?
	You keep banging on about him.
	I don't know, I've been told he's good.
	From Ajax, right?
	Yeah, and I think, look, we need some... Declan leaves a big hole in the hearts of the West Ham fans, and Alvarez could be the man.
	We ain't getting Harvey Barnes, has he gone to Newcastle?
	It's not happened yet, but I think it is going to happen.
	We've not yet seen Declan in red and white, have we?
	Oh, I've seen him.
	Have you?
	I've not been looking.
	Alright, but Harry Maguire, I do like Harry Maguire as a sort of a lad.
	Listen, I have to stick up for Maguire, he was brilliant.
	Why?
	Oh Hull, he was great at Hull.
	Hull produced a lot of good defenders and indeed a lot of players on their journey to a proper football club will pass through Hull, won't they?
	Andy Robertson, Hull.
	Gerard Bowen, Hull.
	Harry Maguire, Hull.
	He was very good at Hull, very good at Leicester.
	I'm not thinking of.
	Maguire was great.
	Someone else.
	I don't know.
	So who else is a talent?
	So Parlein is good.
	What is your wide player?
	Looks like a little wide player.
	Full-on player, I don't know how much value.
	How would you, as I say, he was very good at Hull, very good at Leicester, because obviously
	United were not off-pitch.
	Do you think, you just think that the experience at Man United means he can never reach those
	levels again?
	Well I think, is that David Moyes is on a personal mission to rehabilitate himself from
	his Man United time and he has this sort of extraordinary sympathy for other Man United
	nearly folks and I think that that's skewed David Moyes's judgement.
	What do I know?
	Very little is the truth when it comes to that, because those are all just things that I inshew it from my belly juices.
	But is he still the England captain?
	Because would that mean West Ham have got the England captain?
	I don't know if he is anymore.
	Is it now Kane?
	I don't think he is.
	And Harry Kane, I have heard on Good Authority, has bought a house at Wentworth Golf Club.
	Does that mean he's more or less likely to go to Bayern Munich?
	Is that the end of Bad Graphics Jack's latest assault that he's been doing on our dime?
	Doing on the Rumble dime?
	Is that the end of the link, yeah?
	Alright, so Jordan Henderson could be going to Etifak, is that how you say it?
	Yeah, it's with Gerard, isn't it?
	Oh, Steven Gerrard's managing that and looking sort of like a minor dictator.
	Lukaku's leaving Chelsea, which he'd sort of basically already left anyway, but to go to Juve now.
	Harry Kane may go to Bayern Munich and Pusilic has already gone to AC Milan.
	That's right.
	You don't want, do you want Harry Kane to go to Bayern Munich or not?
	Well I wanted him to go to Real, but apparently Mbappe, they're going to pay like 800 million for Mbappe or something mad.
	That was something rumoured anyway last week.
	So it looks like Kane will be going to Bayern.
	Is he definitely going to leave?
	I don't know, it's not definite, no.
	Why has he bought that house on a golf course for?
	I don't know, it's intriguing.
	It is, isn't it?
	It is intriguing.
	And why has David De Gea, Gareth Roy look-alike, left Manchester United?
	I think it's after West Ham got that soft goal against him.
	That was the end of De Gea.
	Of course, he can't play from the back.
	Said at the time, goes right into the wall, he's out.
	He'll never play again.
	This guy used to play for Inter Milan, did he, mate?
	Yeah.
	I don't know him.
	No, he's technically very good, but as you say, he can play from the back.
	Is anyone going to get that Napoli forward?
	He's incredible, but I think Napoli have said it'll cost the earth for him.
	Alright, now here's something significant.
	Mike Dean is going to be on.
	Referee Mike Dean is going to be joining Soccer Saturday for match official insights.
	But Mike Dean is much loathed by West Ham fans for a series of poor decisions accumulating over the years.
	Here is a clip of him hating bubbles.
	which are the emblem and icon of West Ham United Football Club, along with the Hammers, of course.
	Let's have a look at that.
	How can you hate a bubble?
	A bubble is a miracle.
	A bubble is an aerodynamic miracle.
	It's a miracle.
	It brings fun.
	Everyone everywhere loves bubbles.
	I've always really, when I see West Ham when we've gone before, I'm always really jealous of that bit because I think that's so amazing that you can come out to that.
	It's incredible.
	There's a song, there are actual bubbles.
	I mean, it's got everything you need.
	Yeah, he's got that great big lovely cupboard at the heart of our defence.
	And what's this Mark Dean doing here?
	This was a Trammier game I think, wasn't it?
	Because he's a big Trammier fan.
	And he was still a referee at the time when this was recorded and everyone thought this is a bit mad.
	He shouldn't have, he should be neutral.
	It's an unrealistic expectation that match officials will be... Yeah.
	Neutral outside of the role.
	Of course.
	I'm still not over referees not wearing black anymore.
	Right.
	Things I've not let go of that I should have let go of.
	Yeah.
	Referees not wearing black, numbers not being 1 to 11, like in the football, you know, I've not let go of that.
	No.
	Magic.
	Magic is an acceptable hobby and profession for people.
	All things that I've just sort of Like, foolishly clinging on to, resisting against the relentless tide of time.
	Like, the referee's garment is to separate them from ordinary society, in the same way as the robes of the judiciary.
	And in our country, the wig is like, well this guy, and then in the case of an execution, the black cap.
	Isn't that amazing that they put on a black cap?
	Like, isn't it weird that It shows you that in spite of our poise and pose of rationalism, we're still sort of deeply superstitious characters that know that we're dealing with mystery.
	When like if there was an execution in our country, you can only be executed for treason now.
	You have to have betrayed a majesty or a majesty's, sorry, his majesty's government.
	You would be executed and on top of that, so the judge got so many things on their head at that point.
	They've got their actual head, their actual hair, I mean that's just normal everyday life.
	Sure, we've all got that.
	Everyone's got that.
	That's so far so good.
	Then the wig, a great big stupid wig made out of horse hair, or at least cord horse hair.
	And then the case of the execution, the black cap.
	Wow.
	They're like a knickerbocker of glory.
	And then the next thing they're going to say before that stuff, might as well put a cherry on the top is...
	We're gonna kill you.
	We're gonna have to kill you.
	Which is an odd thing to do.
	So, Mike Dean, you can't expect that when he's not robed in the accoutrement of the referee, that he'll be anything other than a passionate Tranmere fan.
	Let's listen to and regard his passion for tranny.
	If you're listening to this, what I'll say is he did a lot of gestures
	that make you think...
	One time, a man told me, he's a photographer, that he was on his boat, his houseboat that he lived on, and he was attacked by pirates.
	Now, he could see the pirates coming over the horizon, he said.
	Well, not the horizon.
	The distance, you know.
	I don't know where the horizon was.
	It's difficult to locate.
	It's actually a matter of perspective.
	Anyway, these pirates were drawing closer, and he said he was scared.
	He was a photographer on a film set I was working on.
	He said his girlfriend and him was alone on the boat.
	The pirates were coming.
	They knew they was pirates.
	You're not thinking of the film Pirates of the Caribbean, are you?
	Because that's the film.
	This is Captain Phillips you're talking about.
	It's not Captain Phillips.
	Especially, I'm going to make it very clear that it's not, because of what I'm about to tell you.
	Okay, sorry.
	The pirates are coming over the horizon.
	He went downstairs, did this fella, and he said, of the on-set photographer, he said, Stimulated his penis to a point of an erection.
	Wow.
	Because it was to nakedly meet the pirates.
	And he said he stood there, with a bayonet and an erection, and stood on his boat, going... And sure enough, the pirates took him at his word, and did a U-turn, and about Farche, and left.
	They weren't ready for a man with a machete and an erection.
	Now we've just told a story that, let's face it, by any reckoning was unusual and strange and hopefully subject to some minor cuts.
	But now we have to decide whether to show an emotional deli alley interview where he admits to sadly being abused as a child.
	So I think we've got to rule that out.
	There's the Women's World Cup photo where they're wearing raincoats.
	For some reason I think that's wrong as well.
	Because raincoats, women's football, I don't know.
	Then the final one is three pros versus 100 kids.
	Now, while superficially that would also sound like a dangerous segue, it's the one I feel most comfortable going for.
	Oddly.
	Because even those of you that are listening to this as audio, if you haven't seen it, it's amazing.
	I've never seen this before, but I understand this is something that's sort of commonly understood and has even been plagiarised.
	James Corden did it, didn't he?
	Did he acknowledge the plagiarism?
	I'm not sure.
	Hahaha!
	Let's have a look at this moment.
	This is very good.
	In Japan, they've got three adult footballers to play against a hundred children.
	Now, I'll urge you to... We'll post this clip.
	I urge you to have a look at it, because it's sort of joyful.
	And to me, Gareth, it looks like something being observed under a microscope, like bacteria.
	Like seeing a tiny louse fighting some, I don't know, little, like, aquatic bacteria.
	Because that's the way they're moving around on a lens.
	Let's have a look.
	Here's some commentary.
	The pros are winning.
	The pros are able to maintain possession.
	And the children are ineffectively running around.
	The pros are using the space brilliantly, making the ball do the work.
	The children, predictably, are running around after the ball, like children always do.
	It's like one of those clichés, but when I took my little girl to play football at that place where I go all the time, Game, in Reading, I went there twice, but it was in two days, so it was a really intense period of going there.
	All the children did do that.
	They did do that.
	And I almost felt like I said, look, I may not know much about football, but I do know this.
	Hold your position and play between the lines.
	You lot sit back, for God's sake, and look for space.
	You.
	You started coaching is what happened there.
	I've gone straight to coaching.
	Maybe I can be sort of like a Mourinho type coach.
	Sure.
	I'll be honest, I may not have achieved much at the top levels of the professional game.
	I may, as yet, be undecorated as a pro, not winning any major gongs.
	Wasn't he a translator for Bobby Robson?
	Yeah, can you imagine those two?
	Because Bobby Robson's the lovely... Like, I watched a compilation of Ronaldo goals the other day.
	Like, you know, Ronaldo, Brazil, Ronaldo.
	And when Bobby Robson was managing Barcelona, Ronaldo scores this goal.
	And Bobby Robson's reaction, it's so sort of beautiful that someone enjoys football like he's so old. He's like oh f***ing hell! He's
	like amazed by it. It's really a joy to watch someone like... From like a fans perspective
	kind of thing. Oh wow! For the manager. Yeah it's really brilliant. It's really
	brilliant to see because that's, well I suppose that's what he bought isn't it?
	There are many different ways of leading.
	Bobby Robson, evidently, from everyone who knew him, played for him.
	I remember I did that thing with Alan Brazil recently.
	Oh yeah, of course.
	Bobby Robson's almost like a panacea for wellness.
	If you start talking about him, people will start feeling alright.
	Sort of like Jesus.
	Very similar.
	In fact, Jesus is sometimes more contentious.
	I don't want to talk about Jesus.
	Like, I've had some bad experiences in the church.
	Oh yeah, but that's not the figure of Christ.
	I understand there's been problems in the church, the figure of Christ.
	Think of him more as like Bobby Robson.
	Exactly.
	Like a lovely father figure who you 100% know you can trust.
	He's lovely, he's reliable, he's just there for you, he wants to protect you, he wants you to do well.
	He took Newcastle to fifth position.
	Could Jesus have done that?
	I wonder.
	Maybe Jesus could have finally got Newcastle to title they deserve, but now, you know, stealing Harvey Barnes from right under West Ham's noses, maybe Newcastle will win the... Who's going to win the league?
	See, always, forever, until we're all dead.
	Until Pep leaves and goes to manage England, apparently.
	That's the new rumour.
	It's never going to happen, is it?
	They said that about Mourinho.
	What happens is, our way of coping with there being charismatic, sexy foreign managers is to go, they'll come and manage England one day and everything's going to be okay.
	And then they don't do that.
	Because Mourinho said he was going to do it.
	And like, who's England management now?
	That is the sort of appointment, because you do, with England managers, you always go different.
	Like, I don't know, some people do this with girlfriends.
	If you have a girlfriend that's of a particular flavour and hue, or boyfriend, I don't care what you do, because this is actually about football managers.
	You always go for a very different one next.
	If you're dating Gareth Southgate, what's the next natural step?
	Pep.
	Yes.
	Go for Pep.
	You've gone for English, sort of understated.
	Now go for a sort of a Svengali with a glint in his eye.
	A single-minded, potent Catalan figure.
	That's what you want, isn't it?
	A bit of spice.
	Interesting.
	It won't happen though, will it?
	Anyway, let's have a look at these little Japanese kids chasing adults around a football pitch and think about how far we've come as a species.
	I don't think he was off so- Oh, no, he's not offside because there's a hundred kids playing in the back line.
	No, no, I thought they were all at the halfway line, but no, there's another hundred children and then there's about 15
	kids in goal, aren't there?
	Yeah.
	That's like the way that the world is governed.
	Innocent children running around while the elite establishment just gently knock power about, just out of our reach.
	We're all running around going, what should we do about trans issues?
	Oh no, what are we going to do about this film?
	It's a controversial new film!
	Anyway, we're passing this new legislation that means we're going to be able to censor all of your day.
	Oh bloody hell, what's going on?
	Yeah?
	Yeah.
	Yeah?
	I like that.
	I like it.
	Thank you so much for joining us today because we're going to take a short break now from Football is Nice, are we?
	We are.
	Because I'm going on paternity leave to have a baby.
	Of course, yeah.
	I trust we're not going to do it whilst you're in the hospital.
	Can't.
	You've got to focus.
	For loads of different reasons.
	One, I don't think I'll be allowed in.
	Yeah, I think so.
	Just the father, even.
	If I say, can my mate come in, we do a podcast about football that no one's asked for.
	They might say, not now, Mr. Brad.
	Focus on the birth of this child.
	So once I've come back from paternity leave, we'll come back with our predictions for the new season, who's going to win, what sign-ins are going to happen, and all sorts of stuff.
	Thank you very much for joining us for football.
	The world's complicated and all that, but football is nice, isn't it?
	Yeah, it is, yeah.
	It was nice.
	Yeah.
	The morning light.
	We have got some fantastic content coming up for you.
	On the show tomorrow, we'll be speaking to Ron DeSantis, who has written this book, has governed the shit out of Florida, and now believes that he must and should be president.
	Hello there, you awakening wonders.
	Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	It's a very special episode because Ron DeSantis, governor of Florida and presidential candidate, is joining us.
	Ron DeSantis.
	Ron DeSantis.
	Thank you so much for joining us on Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	It's pretty clear that you're a pretty potent political voice and figure and orator.
	How do you deal with the sort of wild card of Donald Trump?
	We've been laying the groundwork in the early states.
	The media will talk about polls, but they'll take a poll from the whole country.
	Also, I would point out during COVID, I was the one fighting Fauci.
	Donald Trump put Fauci in charge.
	He never fired Fauci.
	And I'm just thinking to myself, this guy had been responsible for justifying mandates, for justifying lockdowns.
	How do you deal with the massive mistrust of American cultural life?
	Where do you stand on this conflict?
	How do you manage the tension when there is a plain appetite in your country for anti-establishment figures?
	But the next question I'm going to ask Ron DeSantis is, would you pardon Trump?
	Next week on the show we've got Oliver Stone, Cigar and Jetty.
	So, join us tomorrow, not for more of the same.
	We wouldn't put them vile slops before ye.
	But for more of the different.

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