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June 29, 2023 - Stay Free - Russel Brand
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HOLY SH*T…US Senator CONFIRMS Existence Of UFOs In America?! - #157 - Stay Free With Russell Brand
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I'm sure you're ready for the world to see you.
You're a girl with a great heart.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
All of your life's taken off I'm just an old man, black man
And I could never be a better man On this stage, you're a special someone
I want to hold you So I'm looking for the steel
I'm looking for the steel You're a girl with a great heart
I'm gonna do the kick first.
In this video, you're going to see the future.
Oi oi!
Alright, you awakening wonders, thanks for joining us.
We've got so much to talk about today on Stay Free with Russell Brand.
A rumble show, that means speech is free here.
We ain't interested in disinformation.
We ain't interested in hate speech.
We're only interested in anti-establishment takes on stories that you might hear elsewhere, but from a different perspective.
Like today.
We're talking about the US using the Russian coup to push more Ukraine aid.
Oh, oh, what, you need more money?
Because that bloke momentarily dressed up, got in a tank, mouthed off a little bit.
We've got Marco Rubio's first-hand account of UFOs.
The Senate is talking about this stuff, Gareth.
You'd have to be the coldest-heartedest on-screen assistant on Earth not to have your cockles warmed by such a tale.
I enjoyed your unique summary of the Russian coup there.
Oi, oi!
A geezer dressed up, mouthed off a bit.
That's right!
This is the news!
And once we're off YouTube, you're watching us on YouTube right now, you're watching us on Twitter right now.
Well, we're going to appear here for a little while, or gut bucket, or whatever social media destination you find yourself, but we'll be exclusively on Rumble, home of free speech, talking about What I call one of Rumble's favourite sons.
He may have once belonged to the Kennedy dynasty, RFK, but now he belongs to the Rumble family, a family where free speech is protected.
I don't think there's ever been anything in his family history where free speech has led to any tragedies at all.
Also, we've got a fantastic story regarding the leaked audio of Donald Trump.
We're looking at it in depth, we're giving you a perspective on it that's going to knock your bloody knickers off.
But let's get into the, what I call, an unusual take on the normal news right now.
Do you know, hold on, before this though, I just want to say, I've become, I'm getting more friendly with RFK by the day.
No, I know you are.
Many of you would have seen earlier in the week when I did one of my ill-advised on-screen messages.
Let me know in the comments in the chat, if you're watching us on Rumble now, press the red button, join us on Locals.
Let us know if you saw that moment where I, I think I took my top off.
I don't know what's wrong with me.
I think you definitely did.
I took it off.
I took off the top.
I don't know why.
Say goodbye to these guys, because it's the last you'll see of them!
And then I got into sort of RFK and that, and then I messaged RFK, and I said like, oh, you know, let's do a push-up competition.
Anyway, he's come back.
We've got to do a pull-up competition.
I think you said a topless collaboration at one point.
Yeah, and I suppose that was, as you said at the time, Gareth, a misleading choice of words.
Yes.
Anyway, he's... It worked.
He's into it.
And so what we're going to do is we're going to raise money for his campaign in a pull-up competition.
Obviously, Gareth, I'm concerned I'm going to lose to RFK.
I'm not concerned about how much you're going to raise.
I hope it's a lot.
It's gotta be!
We don't want the headline to be, Russell Brand made $50.
Russell Brand, weak upper body.
And lost.
No back strength.
Beaten by elderly gentleman.
Defeats brand in feats of strength.
I know, mate.
I'm thinking, and I don't know if I'm allowed to say this on YouTube, I'm thinking of juicing.
You know?
I think you could say that.
Juicing?
I don't mean juicing as in green juice, celery.
I'm thinking of juicing.
Oh, I see.
You know, but is it the only jab RFK would consider taking?
Bit of steroids, get myself ready for the contest.
Is it ever right to juice?
I don't know.
Let me know in the comments.
Let me know in the chat.
I can't lose to RFK.
There's money to be made here, not for us, but for a campaign for freedom of speech, a campaign for RFK.
Let us know what you think about RFK.
Anyway, we'll get into that in more depth off YouTube, because he's been banned again from YouTube, and we love our 6.4 million Awakening Wonders over there.
We're confused as to how that number has frozen.
Shadow banned?
Shadow banned much, did they?
Hmm?
Didn't they?
What's the name?
Hmm?
Haven't it?
So listen, what about them hawks in Congress saying that Purgosian rebellion should mean more Ukraine aid?
I think anything that happens they'll say that should mean more Ukraine aid and if you
are Ukrainian I love you and your country should not be torn apart by war and the failure
of this counter offensive I think lays solely at the feet of NATO and the American military
industrial complex.
Let me know in the comments if you agree with that.
But why?
How are they justifying the Purgosian rebellion leading to more Ukraine aid?
Because either way it's going to lead to more military aid isn't it?
Obviously the media have said this was a huge success, this destabilised Russia, this embarrassed Putin, this is why we need to keep going in the manner that we have done.
Even though, as we've talked about with our NATO and Jeffrey Sachs this week, the counter-offensive has not been successful, it's been losing a thousand Ukrainian lives a day, it's been a bloodbath as reported in some sections of the news, even though in the media they'll report things very differently.
Look how they reported it straight away.
This is literally an hour after that coup when it wasn't plain or clear at all how it should be analysed or what, if any, conclusions could be drawn from it.
Russia looks increasingly medieval after the coup that wasn't.
We've got a fantastic story for you later in the week that describes how many of the lockdown measures literally leaned into Medieval science, which is oxymoronic.
You didn't have science in the medieval times.
Putin's weaknesses laid bare, as well as his lovely chest, after 24 hours of rebellion in Russia.
Well, that sounds like a sort of good name for a tour.
Bizarre and chaotic 36 hours in Russia feels like the beginning of the end for Putin.
So there's the media utilizing that event to convey a story that It's possibly dubious that it is a demonstration of Putin's instability and infallibility.
Oh, fallibility, excuse me.
And the military-industrial complex, you know, and their allies in the media, immediately reached the conclusion, the best thing to do here, the best thing to do is to send a bunch of weapons to Ukraine, Mexico, who knows where they'll end up, 70% of them can't be tracked, another audit failed by the Pentagon, they're people that need another 6.8 billion in expenditure, aren't they?
Yeah, it's not the beginning of the end for the arms industry, isn't it?
So, like, three arms industry lobbyists have told Politico, mainstream news, that they believe the progrossion uprising will help hawks argue for a supplemental spending package for the Pentagon and Ukraine.
We already know that with the deal that they did with the debt ceiling, that emergency funding was not affected by the debt ceiling deal that they did, and that this £113 billion that's already been spent on the war can just continue.
Are you sickened by this?
Let me know in the chat.
I'm bloody well sickened by it.
I've had just about enough.
Yeah, they've told Politico, have they, that they're going to use this for yet more dollars.
Let me know how you feel about that.
Next story is your friend and mine, Nancy Pelosi.
Her husband's just snapped up $2.6 million of Apple and Microsoft stock.
Now, I know there are literal apps that allow you to emulate Pelosi's stock trading.
Seems like it's potentially a bloody good idea.
It's a good way to beat the market, follow the Pelosi's.
I've done very well.
Yeah, so this is like 50 call options that Paul Pelosi has exercised, which he purchased in May 2022 and has now exercised those.
He's kind of cashing in on those options.
And since he's done that, obviously, can you imagine they've climbed 33% in Apple shares and 29% in Microsoft shares.
So that's another few millions to add to the Pelosi's coffers.
Says here that buying and selling an Apple accounted for 17% over 70% of the Pelosi's overall trading volume.
And yet during the same period, Pelosi held at least one private conversation with Apple CEO Tim Cook about the state of Apple and possible effects on the company from various pending bills to reform Silicon Valley.
So Eva, let me know in the comments which you think it is.
Is Pelosi some kind of like Two-faced Harvey Dent, schizophrenic figure, who's having one conversation with Tim Cook.
Oh, this is what we're going to be doing at Apple.
She goes home.
There's old Paul Pelosi.
Who's this?
Is he a burglar or what is he?
Who's this person in the house?
Allegedly.
Get him out the door!
Oh, bring him back in again!
Allegedly.
Get him back out again!
Don't let him near the tool kit, for God's sake!
One minute she was with Tim Cook, having a conversation about Apple.
She gets home.
What's it you do again, Paul?
Oh, you know, trading stocks and that.
What did you do at work?
Not much who to chat to.
Tim Cook from Apple, what do you say?
My job business is I let a burglar back in the house!
You'll get another clump, son!
Hey, I'm not saying that that's what went on.
I would feel physically sick if anyone assumed that that was my take on this ridiculous story, but given that we're living in a crazy old world where even Marco Rubio has admitted to being briefed First hand, first hand on the retrieval of UFOs, it's impossible to know almost which way's up.
There's a psychedelic revolution.
There's a UFO revolution.
The mainstream media is collapsing.
It's economic model is falling apart.
Centralist authoritarian models are doubling down as we told you yesterday.
Elon Musk's real battle, ain't with Mark Zuckerberg, is with the censorship industrial complex.
And remember, later this week we're gonna exclusively, you should sign up for this, Exclusively show you me, Matt Taibbi, Michael Schellenberger, and a very surprising special guest.
Perhaps the person who's been most impacted by the censorship industrial complex.
You're not gonna want to miss it.
That's on Friday.
It was a brilliant show yesterday.
Although in some ways it was marred by the conduct of the man next to me.
A man who swore he'd never take his top off.
Yet, during yesterday's show, did precisely that.
In a bizarre throwdown.
To RFK.
There's nowt as queer as folk, as they say in the north of England, where you're of course from.
I am, yes.
Shall we get back to the Marco Rubio story?
I don't- I never- Gareth, I never left it.
I've been looking at Marco Rubio.
I'm looking at him now.
Look at his little face.
He's squinting.
He's got a very full mouth.
What did he call him?
Little Marco.
That was Trump's little Marco.
But he's got a hell of a mouth on him.
You made an observation about the plants inside and outside of his house.
This is an important observation.
Don't get distracted, because I know you lot, you think that UFO stuff's a distraction, don't you?
Let us know in the chat.
I think it's hypocal.
I think it sees me.
I'm friends with Jeremy Corbell.
I believe these whistleblowers are legit.
I believe some of this new footage is legit.
We're going to be talking about this later, in the coming days, about how this story is escalating, but I know a lot of you think it's a distraction.
Well, the real distraction in this piece of footage is the plants outside the house are exactly the same as the plant in the house, and the plant in the house is communicating, possibly via UFO technology, With the plants outside the house.
That's your exclusive, everyone.
That's your exclusive.
Never mind mud wrestling with RFK.
Never mind that we're going to have a world-shattering exclusive coming up.
Can I even bring it up?
No, I'm not sure you can.
About our exclusive gifts.
Can I message that person?
No, because you'll give it away.
I'll give it away.
I can't do it.
We're not ready yet, but you are going to want to be a member of Locals.
Press the red button by the time that happens.
Let's have a look at Marco Rubio's plants communing with one another.
I would say there are people that have come forward to share information with our committee.
Over the last couple of years, I would imagine some of them are potentially some of the same people that perhaps he's referring to.
I want to be very protective of these people.
A lot of these people came to us even before these protections were in the law for whistleblowers to come forward.
People who have had first-hand... Okay, so that seems credible.
The whistleblowers had addressed him even prior to the story breaking.
I guess his point is it's not just like whistleblowers with very little clearance.
These are people with high clearance.
These are people that he's saying, you know, have been briefing.
Josh Hawley, another senator as well, said Whistleblower's report is pretty close to the information he received in a briefing.
That's the one from David Grush.
Uh, that we reported on last week.
So more and more people in positions of power are coming out and saying there is a lot of, you know, credible sources.
They're cross-referencing the data and it's stacking up.
That's interesting.
Now, also keep your eyes on that plant.
The one inside wants to communicate with the ones outside.
I think it's out of order.
It's like when you see a pigeon at a zoo.
You sort of think, well, I can just leave when I want.
Or have first-hand knowledge or first-hand claims of certain things.
Some are public figures, you know, and we've heard from them in the past.
others, you know, have not shared publicly. So that category of people who have
first-hand knowledge who say they have actually seen these kinds of things, do
you find many of them credible? Well, I don't find them either not credible or
credible because we have no basis about it.
Not credible or credible.
Not incredible or credible.
Somewhere in the middle of that.
Yeah.
That's actually not achievable.
That's like a Buddhist koan.
What's the sound of one hand clapping?
Well Bart Simpson answered that.
But what is neither credible nor incredible is the unknowable activated nothingness that is behind all material reality.
This exclusively from Marco Rubio and his animated plants.
You can obviously see why a lot of, I think probably a lot of our audience, are talking about this being a distraction.
It is interesting that it's coming about at the same time as all the things going on with Hunter Biden and lots of other news stories.
Obviously the situation with Ukraine, the continuing arming of Ukraine through the military-industrial complex, you can see why that's something that they would be interested in.
I got sent Hunter Biden's book.
I guess that's why I feel sorry for Hunter Biden.
Like, ages ago, when he had a book coming out, they sent the book and, oh, would you like to talk to Hunter Biden?
And I thought, oh, they can't watch our shows because, like, they would know that we are quite critical of the Biden administration.
But then I also am conflicted because I know he's a person that's trying to get into recovery and stuff, so I get confused.
It's situations, aren't they?
Someone's recovery from, you know, drug addiction is a very different thing to potential tax evasion, or bungs, or bribery, or whatever else it is.
Or even if it's just using... Bungs, bribery, evasion... Right, you know... Guns.
Sure.
I mean, guns, I guess you could say, in some ways... That's a bit druggy.
It's slightly, you know... I gotta have some drugs!
I'm gonna need a gun.
I ain't paying my taxes, I'm on drugs!
Yeah, but you know, when you're in a situation where, like it's been suggested, he's sitting with his father telling energy companies in China or Russia or Ukraine, wherever it is, that they're going to need to pay them for this and that we've got the best access and the Bidens are the best at doing everything, that isn't a situation where we should be talking about the President of the United States.
When we talk about Donald Trump being murky and having these deals and having these documents, then we're talking about Biden, who's meant to be the complete opposite to that.
You're right.
This is a very murky and embarrassing situation.
It is murky.
And potentially illegal.
I mean, I think that's what we're getting at.
This is beyond murk.
This is the law.
Murk, that's just a thick liquid.
A thick liquid or vapour.
But this is the law.
Listen!
I know you're enjoying this on YouTube, and I bet you can't wait to see our take on YouTube taking down another RFK video.
Thankfully, RFK is affiliated now with the Rumble family.
Another video taken down.
Soon, RFK and I are gonna be mano a mano in combat of the body and mind, raising, I hope, a lot of money, particularly once I start my steroid program.
In a pull-up contest.
All money donated to his campaign.
Gotta support RFK.
He's a truth teller.
Anyway, we're gonna be talking about this in more depth, but only on Rumble.
I need you to click the link in the description right now.
Join us over there where we're gonna get into this.
Some depth, as a matter of fact.
There's going to be a lot of free speech.
A lot of free speech.
You're going to love it.
So click the link.
Join us over there right now.
Now, RFK has been bloody well censored.
This is an escalating attack.
This is...
The censorship industrial complex is exactly what me, Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger are talking about on our show on Friday.
You're not going to want to miss that.
There are a set of unelected interests, some state and still somehow they've bypassed democracy, some private that plainly have an agenda.
The EU are introducing laws that are going to allow them to ban Twitter unless Twitter comply.
Fining Twitter and any social media platform for up to six percent of their turnover, that's Undoable for a global corporation.
They're hitting them right where it hurts, right up the minerals, right up the nuts.
They cannot countenance that kind of loss.
Even Elon Musk, a figure who's fighting for freedom of speech, I know many of you think that, let me know in the chat if you agree, let us know, all of you, let me know, is obviously unwilling to, he says, you know, if it's made law, Twitter will obey the law.
And of course, a CEO of a country, or a company, same thing these days, can't go, can't say, no, we're going to break the law.
They're not actual freedom fighters.
No, especially if they're being, as you say, being threatened with being banned in the whole of Europe.
I mean, that's a massive deal for Elon Musk.
But where do they get this power?
Where do they get the power to ban whole corporations?
Well, I don't remember voting for any of these people.
I don't know, maybe I've misunderstood something.
Anyway, it's obviously RFK is a... They're Mick Ross.
They're pretty effective at making laws and rules.
How did they do it?
A lot of those things weren't even legislative, weren't they?
They were just regulatory and they just sort of treated them like laws somehow.
And all manner of measures were sort of introduced.
Oh, we're going to be using this face scanning technology.
Oh, we're just going to keep a record of your vaccines.
Oh, it's just going to be helping you.
Yeah.
We were cynical throughout.
The issue with the EU thing is interesting because it is a similar kind of thing to the pandemic.
It's this emergency laws situation that's kind of being passed now.
Emergency laws this time on the internet.
We've done emergency laws during the pandemic.
We've done emergency laws with regard to the Ukraine war.
That's how this spending is continuing despite the debt ceiling issue.
And now we're seeing emergency laws being passed on the internet and that's why Elon Musk is having to go along with it.
We're in a perpetual state of emergency.
I suppose emergency is often the precursor to regulation.
Once we're all terrified, once we're afraid, we often welcome authoritarianism.
Let me talk to you a little bit about this, the video that's been taken down.
It was an interview with... What?
He's a former New York Post reporter.
So what does he say?
The episode marked the launch of a podcast in which Kennedy, an environmental attorney and presidential aspirant for 2024, discusses an array of subjects from his medication... his meditation routine.
Not his medication routine, that would have been much more controversial.
That would have been the problem, and that's actually the irony with this, is he wasn't talking... well, seemingly he wasn't talking about that.
How's he got that upper body strength?
That's what I want to know.
I'm not going to yield to him in this pull-up contest.
These meditation routines, his ambition of overhauling federal health agencies, that would be a bit more of a problem, and the Democratic Party, that's going to be an issue.
The conversation traversed numerous topics.
Other issues covered included handling environmental concerns and the middle class, because I suppose ultimately this is, I suppose, what's fascinating.
As these centralist and authoritarian forces further coalesce, it's not just going to be what once were regarded as vulnerable demographics that are penalised.
It's increasingly going to be a situation where, unless you are directly participating in the elite establishment, either as one of those institutions, a high-up member of it, Or one of their bureaucratic assistants or aides.
They're coming for you.
I remember when Greenwald said that thing, that this is no longer the time of the plutocrat philanthropist throwing dollar bills from their limo as they pass.
Now they're doubling down with AI and robocop dogs and preparing for a time of draconian control.
And you can see that bureaucratically, you can see that in new laws that are being introduced around protest, the ability to surveil, the ability to censor.
That's why this censorship industrial complex show that we've done, me, Matt Taibbi and Schellenberger, is important.
I believe we've got a graphic for that.
Can we just see that briefly, a bit of a graphic?
This is it.
It's not animated, is it still?
It's animated.
Let's have a look at this.
But before we see this...
If you don't know about Bad Graphics Jack, he's a very bright young man.
I like him a great deal, actually, on a personal level.
I love our young team of brilliant young creators.
But you cannot vouch for the quality of their work.
You just cannot.
Why not? Let's have a look at this now, Sensory Industrial Complex.
Again, no colour palette, no consistency of graphic design, sort of the odd introduction
of that beat, no animation.
Extraordinary stuff, really, but nevertheless, we've got some great stuff coming up.
We'll just finish off on... Don't be hurt by it.
I don't know what to say anymore.
Kennedy made noteworthy remarks concerning censorship.
We're back to the Kennedy interview now.
A topic he himself encountered on platforms such as Instagram and YouTube, he opined that if elected president he would engage with tech giants to explore ways to put an end to what he perceives as the un-American practice of censorship.
RFK is a person I will be texting directly about our Tayibi and Schellenberger special.
Also, I want to get inside his head a little bit before the pull-up competition.
With literal regard to Matt Taibbi from there, something he mentioned that him and Mark Schoenberger started was this virality project, which he's talked about a lot, this cross-platform information sharing program led by Stanford University.
So this was relating to RFK, as we've just been talking.
The Variety Project, if a person told a true story about someone developing myocarditis after getting vaccinated, even if that person was just telling a story, even if they weren't saying the short cause of the myocarditis, the Variety Project just saw that post that may promote hesitancy.
So this content was true, but politically categorised as anti-vax and therefore misinformation untrue.
And essentially that's what's happening now.
When you get a situation where RFK doesn't seem to matter what he says anymore, he's been put in that box of this is untrue and therefore he needs to be removed.
What's in the box?
What's in the box?
Well, in the case of RFK, almost everything he says is deemed to be put in the box marked censored, as we've just discussed.
We'll be talking about that more with Schellenberger and Tayibi on Friday.
You're not going to want to miss that.
It streams live at the usual times.
Hey, what's in that other box?
What's in the Trump boxes?
What is he rifling through like a little old garden, like a like a little garden gopher?
Donald Trump's like, he's a secret, he's a secret.
He's back to rights in this one.
But what's more important?
The fact that there's plans for a war with Iran or the fact that he's sharing classified information?
This is a take on that story that's going to help you understand it.
It's going to give you what I would call pub and bar room knowledge so that you can converse easily with the doubters and the haters.
Here's the news.
No, here's the effing news.
Here's the news.
No, here's the fucking news.
The mainstream media are excited because they have audio of Trump sharing the contents of those classified boxes, which reveal that America was planning a war with Iran.
Guess what they're more excited about?
Donald Trump, it has now been somewhat proven, let me know in the comments if you agree, did share the content of those classified boxes.
I mean you can hear him doing it and admitting all the time, I shouldn't be doing this but have a look in there, look in there.
Isn't it also significant and interesting that the contents of those boxes reveal that there was a plan to go to war with Iran?
What do you think is going to have a bigger impact on your life?
Let's listen for ourselves, see if Donald Trump really did share classified information.
It does seem like he did.
Evening, we begin tonight with breaking news.
We have obtained what is expected to be a central piece of the government's case against Donald Trump.
The actual audio recording.
It would be good if it was an audio recording.
Free blood boys, free blood boys.
See how they run, see how they run.
Of the former president talking as if he's showing a highly classified document on U.S.
war plans against Iran, with people not clear to even know it exists, let alone what's in it.
They're missing the point once again.
Doesn't everyone basically think that presidents and high-ranking politicians have access to classified information and in private communicate this information?
Don't we all just basically assume that Trump revealed to us the essential nature of power as Dave Chappelle memorably said in his SNL speech.
He was the president that said, you know all the stuff you think we're doing in there?
We are doing that stuff in there.
I know the system is rigged because I use it.
I said, God damn it!
So once again they're doubling down on the idea that Trump has been caught out sharing the contents of a box that's ultimately meant to be classified, that he said he kept golf shirts in and golf tees and all sorts of golf stuff in.
Isn't it more interesting, more significant, more of a condemnation of systemic power and the state of the world we're in, that within those boxes were the plans for the US military to engage Iran in war?
Isn't that more likely to affect your life, my life, the state of the world?
Why are we talking about the personality rather than the principle?
Why are we talking about minor transgressions like the revelation of classified information?
Which, you know, if that's wrong, that's wrong.
Let me know in the comments if you think it's wrong.
Is it as significant as US plans for war with Iran?
What over the past 20 years has had a bigger impact on you?
The revelation of state secrets, think of the most memorable one, WikiLeaks, which just told you there were loads of illegal murders that went on in all those Middle Eastern wars?
Or has it been the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war, wars reaching back,
the current war, whether it's financially how it impacts you, emotionally, spiritually,
the fact that it kills people all over the world, Americans and of other nations.
What's the biggest story here and why are the mainstream media not interrogating this
aspect of the story?
Let us know in the comments.
In a moment, only on CNN, you will hear what jurors will hear one day.
CNN's just trying to make itself sound super important like Anderson.
We have obtained these important documents that basically don't really mean anything, really.
I mean, you all know that Trump's doing stuff like that, don't you?
Do you think that Joe Biden's not doing enough stuff like that?
Didn't you hear the text message where Hunter Biden says, I'm sat here with my dad, you better pay me properly, Zheng, or whatever.
You saw that.
We all know that there's such a thing called nepotism.
We know that there's such a thing called cronyism.
We know that Nancy Pelosi Presumably has access to information that make her husband's investments more successful.
You can't do someone for being corrupt in a corrupt system.
It's the wrong problem.
I mean, the fact is, last time we heard an audio recording of him, you remember what he was saying then?
In a way, he's improved.
At least he's talking about politics and stuff, rather than the P word that it was last time.
You will clearly hear the former president as he is speaking to several people.
These are bad, sick people.
That was your cue, you know.
against you.
Well it started right at the beginning.
Like when Millie's talking about, oh you were gonna try to do a kick.
No, they were trying to do that before you even were sworn in.
That's right.
Trying to overthrow your election.
Well with Millie, let me see that. I'll show you an example.
Funny, he's just in a rudimentary way going through those kinds of
Nope, that's one of my golf shoes.
Nope, nope, that's a 5-iron, don't need that.
Ah, there it is, Millie saying that they want to go to war with Iran.
Now of course if the agreed upon law is a president's not supposed to reveal classified information then he's banged to rights it sounds like, unless that's a very good impersonation of him, but isn't it sort of more interesting, important, epochal and likely to affect your life, oil prices, stability of the world, if America plan another bloody war in Iran?
He said You can hear him doing it!
I think you've got him banged to rights.
Isn't it amazing?
I have a big pile of papers.
This thing just came out.
put him bang to right.
That should handle it then.
That's fine.
Off the record.
They presented me this.
This was him.
This was the defence department and him.
We looked at some.
This was him.
This wasn't done by me.
This was him.
All sorts of stuff.
Pages long.
Look.
Wait a minute.
Let's see here.
So blatantly going through secrets.
Imagine them all spread out on the floor.
Secrets here.
But here's another one.
There's another secret there.
A whole bit of secrets.
Isn't that amazing?
This totally wins my case, you know.
Except it is, like, highly confidential.
I didn't know that they were secret.
In the tape, he says that he knows it's confidential.
This is secret information.
Look at this.
Hillary would print that out all the time.
She'd send it to Anthony Weiner.
You know, she'd send it to Anthony Weiner.
Yeah, yeah.
The pervert.
Ha ha ha ha ha!
It's so funny, isn't it?
This is exactly how you imagine it.
This is the problem with using this to attack Trump.
I mean, of course, if there is a legislative angle and he ultimately ends up incarcerated, of course, that's successful.
But that's just Trump being Trump.
And I feel that the problem that it highlights is, oh, yeah, you know, the system that, you know, is corrupt and you know that there's sort of secret wars that are economically undergirded and then they sell it to you as being a moral humanitarian war.
Well this kind of shows that all happening and even in the tape it's sort of almost more damaging to Hillary Clinton because they pretend that they're sort of above all that stuff.
We're proper people.
We're grown-ups and we're serious.
This guy's joking the whole way through it.
Everyone does it.
I use those loopholes.
There wouldn't be a war.
It'll be over in 24 hours.
You can't attack By the way, isn't that incredible?
Yeah.
I was just saying, because we were talking about it.
that if your agenda is to bring down Trump, don't bring down Trump using stuff
we already sort of know about Trump and people have already decided they don't
care about. That's the problem. The problem is that in the land of the blind
the one-eyed man is king. You're still attacking him on the basis of something
that isn't regarded as a problem but almost an asset.
By the way, isn't that incredible?
Yeah.
I was just saying because we were talking about it.
And you know he said he wanted to attack Iran and what.
He said it first.
This was done by the military, given to me.
Uh, I think we can probably, right?
I think probably might mean use this to win an argument.
I don't know if you can, Donald.
I feel like it's classified.
I don't know.
We'll have to see.
Yeah, we'll have to try to figure out a, yeah.
See, as president I could have declassified it.
Now I can't, you know, but this is classified.
Still a secret.
Oh, this, that's a secret.
This is a secret.
These are all, these are secrets.
Isn't that interesting?
Yeah.
It's so cool.
It's like a pajama party of secrets.
This is one of my favorite secrets.
I like that secret.
Which secret shall it be?
I'll choose one to marry me.
It's like Sandra Dee in Greece.
And you probably almost didn't believe me, but now you believe me.
No, I believe you.
It's incredible, right?
Hey, bring some cokes in, please.
Look at that.
So in response to the sort of chilling statement that the military-industrial complex have never met a war they didn't want, what is Donald Trump's response?
Where would he go with that?
They've never met a war they didn't want.
They are a machine built for war.
Their economic model requires war.
This is the swamp that you claimed that you would drain, the swamp What's Donald's response?
Democrat, liberal, Republican, conservative, traditional or progressive, agrees, needs,
drain in. What's Donald's response? Hey, bring some, bring some cokes in, please. I mean,
it is after all the real thing. We knew about this. You know, CNN first reported that this
existed and that Jack Smith's prosecution had it in their hands. But to hear it,
I think really just drives home. That's not that important that they're engaging a different sense.
You've seen it written down and now you've heard it.
What's next?
A lunchbox with it on?
It's not Jurassic Park merchandise.
Either it's corrupt or it isn't corrupt.
Either it's significant or it's not significant.
No one's gonna watch it and go, what?
Oh, I like Donald Trump, but now...
Now that I've heard him rifling through those papers like a mouse, that's put me off him.
The reporting on the story reiterates that problem.
Why are they not saying, I mean it's obviously a matter of concern that it appears there are secret plans to go to war with Iran and of course there are comparable stories within the Democrat Party and comparable stories of corruption.
And obviously there's no point in us continually focusing on Trump and saying Trump's worse, Trump's worse, Trump's worse.
Because loads of people, about half, think Trump's Better.
Why not do something about the system itself, whether that's the system of government or the system of media reporting?
The issue stems from Trump's apparent frustration with what he claimed was a false narrative being pushed by the press that after losing the 2020 election, under the advice of then Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu... You're always going on about Benjamin Netanyahu.
Let it go, Lyn.
You're never going to meet him.
And the coterie of Iran hawks he'd surround himself with.
Trump was dangerously close to ordering strikes on Iran that could have triggered full-scale war and had to be talked down from it by Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley.
But the former president maintained the reality of the situation was the exact opposite.
That it was Milley and the Pentagon who were pushing an attack on Iran on a reluctant Trump and that the classified documents he had kept were proof of this.
Well, that does seem more likely, doesn't it?
And again, as a person that has no belief in the bipartisan system or American globalist corporatist democracy as it's currently set up, it seems to me that the bigger issue is there were plans for a war with Iran that the military-industrial complex in the form of General Mark Milley were pushing for rather than the rather unsurprising news that Donald Trump Excuse me.
Kept a bunch of boxes and showed them to his mates.
It's exactly the sort of thing I've always assumed Trump would do.
And then have a coke when someone says war isn't over and you're like...
This comes in the midst of years of ratcheting up tensions between not just Iran and the United States but maybe more dangerously Iran and Israel.
That is dangerous.
The latter's government has been pushing the Biden administration to take a more aggressive posture toward Iran for years.
Perhaps the real problem here, as well as taking Trump out as an electoral candidate, is do they see him as a threat?
Are they still using that crazy Pied Piper strategy of putting attention on Trump so you can't get any momentum behind dissenters?
I don't know because I don't Consider that to be the most important thing in American political life.
What is evidently important is the potential for agitation for another Middle Eastern war after the wreckage, carnage and disaster of the Iraqi war, the Afghanistan war, the current ongoing terrible conflict between Russia and Ukraine, which you don't have to pick a side on because I'm on the side of peace, baby.
Check out my shirt.
But what we can agree It seems is the peace deal was on the table that Putin was willing to sign it.
And you say that's Russian propaganda.
We've got to pick our way through a hell of a lot of propaganda here.
And American interests and UK interests agitated for ongoing conflict.
Would there be any reason for that?
Well, sort of seems like they benefit from it and their entire economic model requires it.
Let me know in the comments.
The existence of US war plans for Iran suggests it wouldn't take much for Israeli attacks to draw the United States into yet another disastrous war, particularly if Iran retaliates, particularly if it winds up killing Americans in the process, whether intentionally or not.
Iran's deepening alliance with Russia could draw Moscow into the war, turning the country into the second front of a global proxy battle between two nuclear superpowers, the United States and Russia, while adding a third nuclear power, Israel, into the volatile mix.
Well that's only a take, and that's only speculation.
But given the current geopolitical tensions, the fact that there is a war between Ukraine and Russia, given that the reporting on that war does seem to contain a great deal of biases, given that it appears there is agitation for a conflict with China around Taiwan and the semiconductors, you have to take this seriously.
Not least because there's a box of evidence that Donald Trump is rifling through like it's a family photo album at a post-wedding do.
So tell me, what's more important to you?
The fact that Trump has broken the law by taking classified information when he's no longer in office, and indeed apparently sharing it with other people, or That it contains plans for a future conflict with Iran, even including a much more realistic and present danger for escalating and ratcheting up tensions between Israel and Iran.
These seem to me to be global problems rather than legal technicalities or illegal technicalities or stories that exist well within what we all expect of Donald Trump, whether we like him or not.
That's the crucial detail.
I think people that love Donald Trump, this is just Trump being Trump.
The people that don't like Donald Trump, oh you bastard.
But the reality is, the reality is, there are much more important issues that it appears we're being distracted from and even in the reporting of this story.
Why are the mainstream media not interrogating the contents of the boxes and the implications for the world if there is a plan for a war with bloody Iran?
But that's just what I think.
Let me know what you think in the chat.
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No.
Here's the fucking news!
The world is a very complex place, seemingly run by individuals and institutions that have no moral compass,
and if they do, it's pointing straight to hell.
They have no fortitude, no principles, no sense of justice or righteousness.
When will we rise up against them, unify, see beyond our superficial differences, and access the great resource within us?
Thankfully, football is not like that.
is nice and welcome to football is nice with me russell brand and gareth
roy And what a fantastic conversation I anticipate today.
We're going to be talking about transfers and the usual craziness that surrounds the transfer season.
Silly season!
Harry Redknapp would call it.
We'll be talking about transfers as they once were in more innocent times.
And we'll be talking about Stormzy's acquisition of another football club.
Could it be the next Wrexham?
Is it going to be on Amazon Prime?
As well as, in a way, we're placating Gareth Roy by talking about Hull City, which is the football team and town, city, that he supports and is indeed from.
Thank you very much for all your comments about Simon Jordan.
We'll be going through some of those in a minute, but it's nice to welcome back you, Gareth.
Is it?
Yeah, I miss you.
Don't want Simon every week.
Not every week, Simon, that's a lot.
Because remember, I'm one of those people that's a bit like Simon Jordan, sort of intense and everything.
And then, like, while I'm being that, there's another one of them there.
It's a lot to deal with.
I know.
I mean, I literally know.
Because you deal with me every day.
Frankie, best conversation I've heard about football.
Valid points from both.
What I did enjoy about the conversation is we thought... I suppose the nature of the discourse, if I can use such a grand word, was I was saying the problems in football emanate from its ongoing commodification and commercialization.
And at some point it will kill the goose that lays the golden egg, which is the romanticism, tribalism, populism, beauty and grace that's somehow enshrined and interwoven within the game.
And Simon, I suppose, says that It doesn't really think that's true, although we sort of tended to agree on quite a lot of the most fundamental principles, like if Saudi Arabia keep buying up players, they'll end up being a league there.
If you keep having disproportionate power, teams like Man City, you'll end up having a Super League.
What do you think about that general argument, mate?
I guess it's like, what is the line, isn't it?
You know, you think, what's the... I mean, obviously we've had the World Cup, where there was so much talk beforehand of, you know, should it be staged there?
The issue with the workers, people dying, people like Gary Lineker saying all sorts of things, people not showing the opening ceremony.
There's all of that and yet it became one of the best World Cups in history, I think you could argue.
Some of the best games ever in the history of the international game.
And so there's a tendency after something like that to kind of feel like it's literally, it can accommodate anything.
be put on the moon it would accommodate that. I don't know if that's true, I mean I think
in terms of formatting you could well see a time where maybe that 45 minutes could be broken up,
who knows? I just wonder what's the thing where people, I mean obviously we saw it with the Super
League didn't we, when then the Super League was going to start fans rebelled and ultimately that
movement was crushed for the time being. You wonder maybe what is the...
point that are they just trying to incrementally get to the same place anywhere just in a slightly
slower fashion? I reckon and ultimately they'll just reconfigure their plan pivot slightly and
as you say execute the same idea. There must be something in football's essence that is pretty
foolhardy for it to as you say endure even the overt commodification that the world cup particularly
exemplified although on reflection I would say that the west moralizing about Qatar is ultimately
a disingenuous and what do I want to say occidental and almost you could go so far as to say a
supremacist stance. This is again it's this is one of the things I love about football is it provides
a lens through which we can analyze world affairs. The kind of neoliberal establishment will use its
overt virtue signaling around cultural issues to point out that oh we're different than them.
But what I suppose a counter-argument is, is, hold on a minute, this is an imperialistic and exploitative game from nations that have colonized and exploited the world, even and specifically the region that is known as the Middle East, where you're making these kind of judgments from even now.
And top of that, there's the hypocrisy of still doing the bloody event there.
In the first place, and indeed individuals that spoke out attending.
Not showing the opening ceremony was a proper cake-and-eat-it move.
Yeah, completely.
You know, we're willing to make sacrifices, but not sacrifices that mean anything, and therefore not sacrifices, they're gestures.
And yet... Yeah, the problem wasn't Morgan Freeman and his hand, was it?
Wait a minute!
As long as we don't show Morgan Freeman and his hand, then we'll be fine.
The issue with the United Arab Emirates and its richness in fossilised fuels is Morgan Freeman's hand.
Not to get too political, necessarily, but we've talked recently about the way in which CNN and MSNBC said that they won't show Trump's post-arraignment speech.
Yeah, it's the same thing.
And it's like, well, after years of profiting from Trump and then pushing all the Russiagate stuff and all that, then you're going to say, well, this bit we're not going to show, but we'll continue talking about it the rest of the time.
And we'll continue bundling up your data and selling it more even than porn sites do.
We will report on Russiagate in a biased and insubstantiated way.
Essentially, the mainstream media cannot claim to be doing anything for a moral reason.
And that's whether it's talking about matters within football or matters within news and politics, because they don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to that set of criteria.
I always guess I'm more on your side than Simon Jordan in that respect.
Oh yeah, that's right.
Because that's exactly what I wanted to bring up.
Because what I wanted to say is, is that the thing that's romantic and beautiful about the game, at some point, surely, will be extinguished.
And I wanted to talk more about, like, this is what I said in the end, because you know what he's like, Simon and Jordan, he's hectoring, he won't shut up.
I think I do listen in the end, don't I?
Yeah.
Thanks, like like so like like he like this bit in the end.
I just sort of basically shouted I think the same as this happened in Saudi Arabia the that you should put as part of a manifesto if we are elected we will reclaim and Renationalize all British football clubs and then return ownership to the community now I know that's like in some ways a preposterous suggestion because it mean what hold on a minute these economic entities these commercial businesses that have been acquired in some
cases by nation states in other cases by big companies like FSG and you
know wherever they're owned you're saying you're going to seize these assets but
that is what happens like you know that's a you know in Saudi Arabia I'm
sure they purchased them but what about with the you know when the when we
privatized all of our municipalities like the gas and the water and the
electricity all those things have been built by taxpayers money that means we
owned it then they sold it back to us as privatized commodity so I don't think
it's absolutely ridiculous and the reason I'm saying it is
because of course that's part of a earth-shattering model or an economic shattering
model because of course then it's like well are you gonna pay the players in
the same way it's all gonna totally fall apart it's an attempt to sort of popularize
ideas and also a sort of a Trojan horse for numerous other ideas but
bringing them into the heart of the popular entertainment arena I suppose was a
like you would own Liverpool you would own it switch you would own it like you
know the community would run it electorally there you would elect a board you'd
run it that way you would have to look at what you know obviously you know the
commercial and broadcast partners are all gonna fucking drop out the
drop out the minute you do something like that, because even when someone like
minute you do something like that because even when someone like Jeremy Corbyn who
Jeremy Corbyn, who was like a left-wing politician who was, you know, for a minute in our
was like a left-wing politician who was for a minute in our country was like our
country, was like our Bernie Sanders but he became the leader of the party, like, people
Bernie Sanders but he became the leader of the party like people like we're
were like, we're pulling out, we're not gonna have that kind of stuff, you know, but all
pulling out we're not gonna have that kind of stuff you know but all of that is
of that is revealing that whole process of like the broadcast, right, we'll broadcast it
revealing that whole process of like the broadcast right we'll broadcast it
ourselves then or what it would do is it would be seismic it'll be an incision for
ourselves then, or what it would do is it would be seismic, it would be an incision for
something that just seems sort of quite populist, it creates a sort of waves of kind of
something that just the commercial and broadcast partners are all gonna fucking
beautiful chaos, that's why I like it, I know it's mad though. Yeah, no, I mean, as you say,
it would mean fundamentally changing all the apparatus around it as well in order for that to
work, there's so many things that will be affected by that, and I was literally just thinking
about Declan Rice and his kind of ascendancy and how amazing Declan Rice has become.
The fact that both these clubs, Man City and Arsenal, want to spend over 100 million quid on him at the moment.
You'd probably say that without the money spent on West Ham, that then they can invest into their youth set-up that develops players like Declan Rice, that maybe one of the arguments would be, well, we wouldn't get players as good as that.
And I guess that would be a good argument.
But that's what I mean.
Everything would have to Everything falls apart.
Because aren't we at a point though where it's like, well, Declan Rice, understandably, I'm a West Ham fan of course, and thanks for them seats from Upton Park, that's a really great present.
Gareth got me for my birthday two seats from West Ham's former ground and beloved cathedral, Upton Park, aka the bowling ground.
He could buy seats from me after they smashed it to smithereens to buy flats from it basically for no reason other than money.
Anyway, I've got a couple of them seats now.
I want to find out where they are.
Perhaps over the coming weeks we can locate exactly where they were, then find someone that sat in them seats, then bring them around and allow them to do a little fart on that seat and say, there you go, what comes around goes around.
There was some chewing gum under the seat.
Was there?
I took that off because I thought...
That's priceless.
I could have had my own DNA.
What if I had already?
That would be one of those beautiful stories if it was your own bubblegum.
You know when you hear those stories, and did you know it was the very same person?
You know those stories.
Post us one in the chat, will ya?
Anyway, mate, more parochially, you get £105 million for Decker and Rice, what are you
going to spend trying to... he's irreplaceable, essentially, a player of that quality.
Maybe even if we get that lad out of Ajax or we get James Ward-Prowse out of Southampton,
sorry James...
Calvin Phillips as well.
Oh right, well that starts to make a little bit of sense.
But even then, it's sort of like, for like...
I mean, what's the point?
What's the point of it all?
What's the point?
Or Harvey Barnes out of Leicester, there's like things that could be exciting about that money, but I don't know, I guess what I'm saying is like, I hanker after a time where you might have Billy Bonds or, you know, even Mark Noble spend their whole career at a club this because why?
What is it?
What is it?
Is always like whatever your subject to interrogating.
What is it?
So then players are the representatives of a community.
We vicariously live through them and for a minute.
Victory and loss is simple and makes sense with all the complexity within the game.
We want them to win.
We don't want the other team to win.
It's all sort of manageable for a moment and yet you gain access through ceremony.
You gain access to emotions that are sort of deeper than on paper or illicit.
Might cry, I'm overwhelmed, I'm overjoyed.
The moment David Moyes puts the medal around his father's neck, it provides you with a kind of magic.
And when you reduce it all to numbers, you're pulling... I can't help but think that sooner or later the thing itself will pull up.
But I guess I'm not saying, why don't we go back to the days where they're wearing big mad leather boots like loaves of bread and kicking around the human head instead of a ball.
Yeah, it's that argument, isn't it, that they always give with, like, technology and why these kind of big tech companies have been allowed to kind of maraud around the world and colonize everything and everyone.
And the argument is always, well, it's progress.
What do you want?
Do you not want progress?
This is why they should be allowed to kind of keep doing what they're doing.
And I guess, but then there is a counter argument to that is, well, what price do we pay for that progress?
And could it be argued that it's not progress in every sense?
I don't actually even want progress, because I feel that there are false markers of progress in medicine and technology that distract us from elsewhere, stagnation, moral, spiritual stagnation.
And it would be nice if the progress was not somehow... I thought this phrase when visiting a very elite school recently, where I noticed conversationally the phrase, we're so lucky, we're so lucky.
People kept saying they were lucky.
Privilege is hoarded luck.
And all this progress is, it's contained.
It's contained.
Yes, there is progress.
Of course, you know, you could, like, even, you know, when people hop back and say, would the, like, a team like Nottingham Forest, when they had their two consecutive European Cup wins, would that Nottingham Forest team beat Man City?
You sort of think, no!
Because, like, you know, you imagine, like, them Forest players was, like, Martin O'Neill, whatever, like, they're, like, properly, probably drinking booze almost at halftime, and, like, these are athletes, like, there's so many actual, that is actual progress.
Their diet, the use of technology, those things, that's all sort of wonderful, but has some majesty been lost?
Are we more connected to the game?
The very fact that a club like Nottingham Forest was able to win the European Cup, it's not, like, what, it depends what, We have a quantitative perspective on reality, rather than a qualitative perspective of reality.
We can quantify and measure all things, but essence itself, it cannot be measured.
It can only be felt.
And like your point, Gareth, that in spite of everything, It's still magic.
It reminds me, I've said this before, because it's always something I've thought about a lot, that Lester Bangs, the Rolling Stone journalist, wrote about seeing Elvis Presley towards the end of Elvis's life in Vegas, and he went to sort of take the piss, like, oh, Elvis Presley is no longer the king of rock and roll, he's this joke figure in a bejeweled winegum-covered Yeah, I think so.
I mean, ultimately I think that magic does come from us.
with him mad scarves and all that stuff but he said that when Elvis sings he
said like his hair stood up on end and he shivered because that's there's
something in that man there's something that he was able to convey there is a
there is a magic there is a majesty there is a beauty there is an essence
and that's the reason to sort of argue for that the progress being made there
as well yeah I think so I mean ultimately I think that magic does come
from us it comes from our relationship with those players our relationship with
our own community That's where it comes from.
The progress is a side issue.
Even whether or not players are technically better than what they used to be, you could say that the fans of Nottingham Forest with those two European Cup wins would have shared the same amount of joy as West Ham fans just did then or Man City fans have done winning the treble.
That's what doesn't change, I guess.
I like where you say that it's between us, because even say with the Elvis example or the football example, the audience are participating.
you're not just passively sort of like, oh, like that, and that is more what's gonna happen
if the games are sort of, but he did say, Simon Jordan, that geography's irrelevant at this point,
because it's a broadcast medium. Of course they might, you know, you can envisage a time where
games are being played in Qatar, games are being played in Malaysia, and then
I suppose, gosh, there's an argument for, well, why shouldn't it be? Why shouldn't it be?
Why should they not own it? This is a global and I suppose the argument is because it's all for fucking
money. Well, yeah, it's all for money, and it's, I guess, what we know is,
because we know it's all for money, I think it's about,
it's about what you're conscious of.
Once you know that this is all for money, can you honestly enjoy the FA Cup Final played in Qatar as much as you would it played in Wembley?
Maybe you can, but I feel like there's some knowledge there.
I mean, the Spanish Cup is now played, I think, in Qatar.
Yeah, and I've watched it.
I think it's already happening there.
And you do watch it and think, this does have a disconnect.
And I guess, kind of what I think about is, nationalism is used when it's convenient, but not when it's not convenient.
So there's one way where it's like, no, nationalism is good, and that's why we go to war, and that's why we arm our military, and that's why we spend this on the nuclear this.
And that's what, you know, but then when it's, oh no, it's convenient for us commercially, nationalism isn't a thing and everything, the game should be played all over the world and it's about embracing different cultures and this, that and the other.
It's like, well, no, that's, you have to have a principle.
You have to have, what is it?
What is nationalism about?
Groucho Marx's famous line, those are my principles and if you don't like them, I have others.
They'll just apply whatever principle is expedient to achieve the desired objective.
One of the things we talk about a lot on here is the success of the Wrexham project and I always try to extract my petty personal jealousy from From my ability to commentate on it and now my jealousy is once again been roused because Wilf Zaha the Palace player and Stormzy the Grime and hip-hop artist have acquired AFC Croydon.
I guess Stormzy's from around there Yeah, I suppose.
Is that right?
And he's acquired Croydon Athletic, a three-person consortium comprised of Zaha Stormzy and Danny Young's exchange contracts with the existing ownership of AFC Croydon to acquire the assets of the club.
Now, there's going to be boyhood dream stuff, I'm assuming, there.
What's the point of judging?
Because really the main thing it makes me want is to buy a football club, which I've sort of wanted to do.
For ages.
Definitely a couple of years.
I mean, did you know that I tried to, when I wasn't good enough to be in the football team at school, I started with football team.
Did you know that about me?
I did not know this.
I started football team.
I've still got photos of the football team.
Put it in the local paper.
What was it made up of?
Dollies, mice, old clock parts.
There was a leaf in goal.
He was good.
Very brave.
He broke his neck in the cup final, but he played on!
He played on with that broken neck.
A little subbuteo, man.
No, other lads from my year poached them out of, like, existing clubs, like Grey's Tigers and Grey's Harriers, I think they were called.
Wow.
You started a franchise?
Got a photo in the local... I am Saudi Arabia!
Came in there with my dirty billions.
Did you offer them, like, big contracts and things?
How did it work?
I did, I think, offer them some contracts.
I've got a lot of good players.
One from a low year, Jeff Lewis, he played Bugsy Malone in the Bugsy Malone Where I Was Fat Sam.
Good little actor, arsehole fan.
Cracking little actor, lovely player.
How was he up front though?
Not good.
Not too much pressure.
I balked at it.
No, he was good at that as well.
Oxy.
He was in the team.
David Evans, who I met recently at an airport after dreaming about him.
He was there in midfield.
Very beautiful player.
Classic player.
Beautiful.
David Platt.
Like, technical player.
Didn't have too much pace, but very skilled and industrious.
What were you then?
Were you the chairman?
Manager.
I'm not good enough to be in the team.
The whole reason I'm doing it is to get my dad's approval!
What did you tell your dad about it?
Yeah, I told him.
Guess what, dad?
I'm the manager of a football team.
So good enough.
What are you going to do, mate?
Be in goal?
I've got my old West Ham seats now, up at my wellness area.
Finally, I've found my place in this world.
I'm a man who does ice baths and sits in former seats at Upton Park pontificating on the cultural meaning of football.
The effing meaning of it all.
So, look, I suppose I sort of want to... But now, because Stormzy's done it and Ryan Reynolds has done it, at this point, it's like, I mean, it's not McDonald's, it's not Burger King.
Right.
It's Wimpy, isn't it?
It's bloody Wimpy!
In every sense.
Like...
It's a hamburger that's been made by your mum.
Like, Mum, can I have a McDonald's?
We'll make a McDonald's here!
It's a bird's-eye beef burger between two bits of Hobbits with ketchup on it.
Tesco value ketchup being chomped down into on the settee under a Superman bedspread, not even a duvet.
Oh no.
It sucks, doesn't it?
Yeah, I don't know.
See, I suppose, look, what it is, is you've just got to stay true to who you are, not worry about what's going on in the world, and stay true to your principles that are somehow some bizarre collision between spiritual utopianism and a kind of economic and political pragmatism derived from anarchism.
That's what you've got to do.
You have to do that.
And I guess also you kind of hope that, like, these being... I guess Zaha must be local as well, from Croydon.
And also, you can't begrudge Stormzy and Zaha and Danny Young there.
No.
And if they are locals, then you'd think they'd want the very best for that club.
It's not like a cynical move, is it?
Locals have done well taking the club back.
Look, and this is not a critique on either the Wrexham Project or this one, but the cynicism is baked in, institutionally.
It's unavoidable.
It's unavoidable.
And I know that we all participate in that, with whatever endeavour we do.
We do this podcast because we love it.
We know that on Rumble, primarily, our content has to be establishment attacking content that can attract people from the left and the right.
And we're able to do that because we believe that both political parties are corrupt and unable to represent people.
And we do this because we love football.
But still, in the back of my mind, I think, oh, we've got to grow the views.
We've got to have more people listen to it.
What are the assets?
What's our social media program?
Are we optimizing correctly about it?
Should the thumbnails be better?
Is that graphic appropriate anymore?
Should we do that jingle again?
I'm like it!
That's why I always sort of thought about myself.
That's why I thought that I should be a participant in this crazy thing.
I don't mean purchasing football clubs in this instance.
I more mean a global revolution, is because I know what they are like. I
know it. I know the flavor of like that kind of egotism and that kind of
urgency to kind of conquer and move forward. I understand it. I understand it. None of
us are free of it.
It's immersive. It is the aquarium in which we live. It's become our
environment. That is Mark Fisher's dialectic on the subject.
It's so immersive and totalitarian that you cannot not be within it.
And Courtney Love actually pulled me up on this because he used to use,
who I'm friends with, he uses Kurt Cobain as an example and I sort of said to him, I
don't think he's like he doesn't claim to understand Kurt Cobain in the manner in
which you as his wife.
Do, did, God rest his soul.
But he's saying that the figure of Kurt Cobain almost represented a culture that understands its own, the sort of futile loop in which it's locked.
That nihilism and despair sells on MTV, and the more you decry the system, the more the system is able to present that as a product.
Like the famous Bill Hicks bit, like he sort of says, like he's Quit putting a goddamn dollar sign on everything on this goddamn planet.
Oh, the angry dollar.
We can market that.
That's a very useful market.
You know, like that there's nothing that cannot be mobilized.
The plasticity of the system is all immersive.
And I guess that once you have that perspective, you can...
Perhaps spend too much time bemoaning that, oh, Wrexham though, isn't it just a Disney project?
And maybe, maybe it's just easier to go, well, the people of Wrexham are happier, the football club's happier.
But there's another point they raise is that I'd really like your take on Gal.
It's like that, isn't it mad?
Because I brought this up with Simon Jordan.
Fucking talk so much to the geezer.
I'd love to talk to him again.
I love him.
I think he's fantastic, actually.
But, like, sometimes I feel like, no, I've got to get to what I actually mean, though!
And, like, what I actually mean is, isn't it mental that you can have Conor McGregor fight Floyd Mayweather?
You can have KSI, a YouTuber, fight Logan Paul, a YouTuber, both obviously very fit.
Potent fighters.
Now, you have the Wrexham team go over and play against, I feel like they maybe even played the US National.
Wow.
Ladies.
And beat them, like, you know.
So now, sport, the thing that, almost the defining thing of sport, is it's meritocratic.
It's like, this team is in a division with this team.
These are the best players.
They can just go, in goal!
It's Will Smith!
I think it's also maybe the speed at which it's happening.
it and like messing with the actual, again, the essence of it. And for me I can't help
but see in this, something of the sort of post-modernity itself, everything is falling
apart into a kind of madness.
I think it's also maybe the speed at which it's happening.
I mean, I read an argument for why, again to highlight what you said about the hypocrisy
around it, that, you know, there's all this talk about Saudi Arabia at the moment and
its clubs buying up Premier League players and you could argue that some of them are
Premier League players who are coming towards the end of their careers, but you could also,
some aren't.
They're mid-career and, like, good players, and it just seems mad that they're going after Saudi Arabia.
For those of you watching this on Rumble, those players that are up there... Ah, here we go.
And what's the most notable one is a man from City there, Bernardo Silva, right?
If Silva goes, I think Neves has gone.
Oh yeah, Neves from Wolves.
He's like 25, 26, you know, very good player.
Pre-peak footballer.
Absolutely.
Do you think there's a sort of, not racism ain't the right word, but like a kind of assumption that, you know, because it used to be America, right?
It used to be like, for a minute, it was America.
When you're past your prime, go America and have a sort of a payday holiday.
And then it was China for a minute, but he didn't quite catch on on China.
Russia's had a go, haven't they?
Yeah, absolutely.
I just think, from what I was reading, this person pointed out that, well, what we're saying that the Premier League, I mean, we all remember when the Premier League happened and the Sky money came in, and that was like a revolution for football.
There was the point where Sky were even going to buy up Manchester United.
You know, that deal, again, fans revolted against that, but it's not like they didn't try to do it.
And now everything happens Seemingly happening so quickly and these these transfers are happening and it like you say I can I can see what you're saying about The speed at which it's happening, but maybe it's just something that's been happening for a longer period of time We it's hypocritical for us in this country to extent to say oh I can't believe Saudi Arabia playing all these paying all these players massive wages when that's literally what we've been doing we've been taking players from the
their countries of their origin where they could have been plying their trade
at the clubs that they were born, but we've literally paid them massive wages to come over
and make this Premier League what it is.
Why shouldn't Didier Drogba stay Ivory Coast, make Ivory Coast football bot on?
Sure, so many examples of that happening that, you know, again the hypocrisy factor of this is
yes, okay, there's all sorts of ways we can say Saudi Arabia this, that and the other
but as we know, to go out to politics, America will keep selling them arms, you know, it's ridiculous.
And it's the same argument as the World Cup argument.
You can't say it without claiming that there's some sort of superiority.
Except, I suppose, in sporting terms, the Premier League is measurably, somehow, the best league, the best players, the best managers, the most money.
And the fact that those are concomitant facts is hardly a coincidence.
You're right.
You can't make a moral condemnation of Saudi Arabia and their attempt to use simply the pre-established means to organise their own deal.
Well, you're doing this thing, we're doing it.
You'd better not do it.
There's sand everywhere!
Can't do that!
There's petrol under the ground, in the holy name of God.
Worth tagging this Harry Kane to Bayern Munich.
Again, because of my baked-in prejudices, I don't think Bayern Munich is the right sort of club for Harry Kane, because Bayern Munich is a one-club league.
I know, like, Bayer Leverkusen, or... Well, Dortmund nearly won it.
Dortmund nearly this year.
It was the last game of the season.
They threw it away.
Threw it away, Dortmund.
They just needed to win, and they didn't.
It's weird, isn't it, that?
I mean, it's weird, isn't it?
Because obviously, an argument that is continually being made is that the Premier League is in danger of being capsized by the superiority of Manchester City.
And yet, at the end of the day, only five points between them and Arsenal.
Five choked points.
But is that because they just needed to do enough?
I mean, they lost to Brentford, was it, last game of the season?
I just feel like they got to a point where they were like... So even that five points ain't indicative?
It's not fully.
So, then what about Bayern Munich?
I totally see your point.
The thing about Bayern Munich, again, and I don't know enough about... Because they only won the last 11 or something.
They have, and obviously, you know... Don't go and play for a team that's won a lot.
I mean, that's like, Harry Kane wants trophies, understandably, because he's a prime athlete.
He's the highest goalscorer this country's ever had for the national team.
He'll likely break Alan Shearer's record in the top flight.
If he starts, yeah.
So, mentally, psychologically, to sort of solve the problem of not having won trophies by going to a club that always wins trophies, in a sense, what kind of personal achievement do you get from that?
I don't know, but Man City have won four of the last five.
Paris Saint-Germain, you could say that's definitely a one-team league.
You don't want to be offensive, but in terms of their might, they are.
There are Barcelona and obviously Real and Barcelona, VAR between them at the moment, which is a good thing, although there's all sorts of stuff going on between Serious great for Napoli
win that it seems that because actually
Italian football because of corruption has been there's been a lot of
Interventionism hasn't they made like Juventus bounce down a couple of leagues and stuff like that
So, you know sense aren't we already seeing are we saying isn't it like quite possible that someone some erudite
figure?
So they should get someone like bloody Simon Jordan actually to head it up instead of having someone from JP
Morgan What would their interest be in this Super League?
What do they traditionally do over at JP Morgan?
Um, like, couldn't someone come along and persuade you?
Look, if Man City, four out of the last five times, have won it, if, you know, Barcelona and Real, if even in Italy there's only a couple of teams that are capable of it, and Bayern, to make the national leagues more competitive, doesn't it make sense to create this national Super League?
Or rather, this global Super League?
Don't you think that the argument, the momentum of the argument, is self-evident through the figures?
Yeah, I guess the thing with that is... I mean, that's a kind of cynical way of... You're going to establish, like, a new... I don't know, a dominant ten teams, and then what's going to happen to all the other teams?
I mean, I don't know.
They don't get to play because that's their... Then you're depriving... Yeah, right.
Then it's like pulling teams out of their own national leagues.
I mean, I don't know.
Maybe it is going that way.
It is worrying to an extent.
I suppose as a fan, it's how much do you want to hold on to I mean, how important is tradition?
I mean, a lot of people would say it's extremely important.
I agree, and in fact that's the point we were making, you know, earlier in our chat,
excuse me, and I know we basically agree, and the conversation I was having with Simon Jordan.
So, if we've established that principle, that we don't want the natural migration to be towards
an elite league, even though it's pretty plain that that's formatively already present, then
there is a necessity for regulation. What some people say is, oh, regulation on transfer spending
or wages or whatever, but that's just, that's too minor, isn't it? Yeah.
It doesn't even work.
I mean, look at Chelsea.
I mean, that's not even working.
They're just giving players eight-year contracts.
They invade it.
Exactly.
So they can spread those transfer fees.
That's why this podcast works for you.
If you're an American who don't even know much about football, I mean, obviously when we start talking about Barry Fry, in a second you might become somewhat confused, but we're all confused by Barry Fry.
Like, but isn't it the perfect model to understand reality?
Oh, we're introducing some legislation to prevent, for example, people in Congress trading stocks and shares.
Oh, but what if their family member does it?
Oh yeah, yeah, that'd be alright, so that's passed in.
Whenever there's regulation or legislation, it doesn't do the job that the rule was supposed to do, it just gives you the ability to say, we made a rule.
You said that you wanted a rule, we beat Big Pharma this year.
Is Big Pharma going to be meaningfully penalised, or is there just a handful of drugs that are going to be regulated, and the pharmaceutical industry will adjust to make other products profitable, they will still have the same lobbying power, they will still have the same donation power, sorry, yes, basically.
And the same thing happens with football, like as Gareth just explained, Chelsea, Sorry.
Wow.
Out of control.
That's a record number, I'll tell you.
Yeah, I know.
Well, I've drunk a lot of kombucha.
I'm very excited.
In some cultures, that burping is considered to be like a shamanic sort of transition.
In others, it's actually just bad manners.
In our one, it's just actually a poorly, poor taste.
I mean, significant amount of the air in this room now is my farts and burps, isn't it?
Yes, it is.
We're living in my farts.
I can confirm.
And I would disconfirm.
All right, well, listen, in a sort of a welcome pang of nostalgia, there's T-Up, dear Barry Fry.
He was an old-school journeyman manager.
I think he managed Peterborough, Southend, I know he managed for a while.
these guys because you i think ended into that when reality td became a thing
in our country that was like a big brother show that i was a host of one of
the two satellite shows often uh... that they were we'd really shows like driving school
and all the people being bad drivers and
you know they went on and on a few other than selling you as well as i was a
little lady called norraine in that and i and and there's a like all of that i guess very fried
feel i became so a bit famous yeah i guess i guess there's some sort of flaw
in the walls i would known in our country documentary and followed him as he
as he managed very football club i remember i was a love shit like this and i'm not surprised that
things like all or nothing are just massive global products now
where it's in for nfl or the pre-epl that people just love this stuff
Documentaries about football.
What's not to like?
What's not to like?
Heartbreaks, frills, chills, it's everything you want, isn't it?
Insider information, mad quotidian details about people eating beans on toast, Deli Alley specifically, in the Spurs one that was.
I mean, it gives you so much, like, it's rewarding.
And in fact, you know, this Wrexham thing, I suppose, do you know what it is, is like, you know, with that Wrexham thing, sort of thing, like, I sort of might have nearly done that.
Yeah.
It's like, it's not beyond... It's more of a missed opportunity, isn't it?
It's a missed opportunity, it's greed.
It's self-centred greed.
That's what's motivating me right now.
Let's have a look at Barry Fry, because as we enter this frenzy of transfers where Declan Rice might go to Arsenal or even Man City, which just seems like a ludicrous stockpile, just flinging him, flinging him like into a harem.
Like he might as well, like, eunuch him off and bang him up for a sultan.
That's probably the kind of occidentalism that we're trying to prevent, actually.
But in any event, this is a In a sense, a more innocent time, but in another way, a more disgusting time, where transfer deals were carried out with incredible bravado and casual lackadaisical Cockney slang.
Next on his wanted list, the Wickham striker, Miguel de Souza.
How are you, mate?
It's barely bothering to separate those words, is it?
How are you, mate?
It's like when someone plays a saw on a talent show.
How are you, mate?
He's in for some hard bargaining.
Who's talking, you mean?
Sean Bean.
Sounds like Sean Bean, yeah.
Sean Bean, that's Sean Bean.
Yeah.
I think we're gonna be looking at 8.50, 9.50.
Now look, I bet that's 2000 and something, and everything's so metal, 1997.
Like that might as well be 1950.
Look at that Giza, he would never have a football agent like that now.
That's an accountant, that's a local charred accountant, that Giza.
You couldn't have him now, they're all like people swaggering about in a silk shirt, 50 million quid, just arrive on a yacht, like George Mendez, like powerful enough to get a whole Portuguese national team into one football club.
Look at that agent now, he just goes home and has a Finder's Crispy Pancake, doesn't he?
On, like, a chair from a garden centre.
Yeah, his little tray.
I've got me little tray, actually, where I've done a good transfer deal tonight.
What's that, love?
I say, no, I did a good transfer deal today.
I'll expect an extra pancake for that, please, darling.
How about another extra slice of that Wool's Vionetta?
Oh, no, you'll watch out for your heart.
No, no, no.
You ain't gonna get that.
Fucking hell, are you sure?
You ain't gonna get that.
I'm desperate for you, but I can't get nowhere near that.
First year, 550.
Second year... By the way, it's pounds, not 550 grand.
It's not 550 grand like what that's like what Declan yeah, right?
So I love turned down 200 grand a week Wow West Ham is still run a bit mad by David Sullivan in his bizarre
Russian attire He likes or said like he's like just when we offered him
200 grand a week last year. He never took it That's he's going he's going because while Declan was
saying stuff like you know this we'll see we'll see We're all like maybe he's gonna stay maybe
Meanwhile David Sullivan just like briefing like the press directly
I think texting like Jim White like we've offered him 200 grand a week. He's going he's definitely going
six Third year, 650.
Plus 10 grand for 30 goals.
Down in the fire factory.
All competitions.
Each season.
Supposing you have a survival bonus.
Love that.
Survival bonus.
If we had, like, a survival bonus, that'd be nice, wouldn't it?
Like, George Mendez, I reckon, like, the agents now, sports agents now, I reckon they actually get their penis and balls out during conversation.
Yeah, terrifying people, I imagine.
They're all balls and penises, all shaved.
Right.
And they oil them up with, like, some sort of, like, real sort of essential oils.
Like, they might say, don't put that on if you're pregnant or around certain pets.
Right.
They'll put that on their sandalwood or something.
George Mendes gets there and does his shirt like that.
If you want this, if you want Nevis, you're gonna have to give us a seat in your parliament.
Right.
He did that with the Saudis.
I say that he did.
And I'll just... Allegedly!
No, I have to press that in the football is nice section.
Because I don't normally defame powerful figures with insubstantiated, made-up stuff, just for a laugh.
I fucking love it.
How much?
We've got eight games.
Yeah.
How much?
Ten grand.
How much?
Ten.
How much?
Ten.
It's got to be money well spent.
It is.
Five.
It is five.
Lovely.
Very good.
Them were the days, weren't they?
Very good.
Simpler, more innocent times.
And now transfers, like, for example, if you take Messi's transfer to... What was he called?
Miami.
Miami, yeah.
David Beckham's into Miami.
The MLS itself invests in the transfer.
Messi's going to be able to start his own franchise after five years.
Adidas, the sponsor of the league and the individual, I think, are contributing to the transfer as well as the club.
That's how complex it's become.
It's recognised that the sport is not just, we've got this little tribe and we'll be playing these other tribes.
No, this is a commodity.
I think the broadcasters are paying him as well.
It's all folded in.
It's acknowledged what the reality of it is all, you know, it's all sort of explicitly, like, acknowledged in the deal.
Hey, before we go into that though, what's that Gary Neville on Dragon's Den?
Is that real?
I want to check that out.
Guess I'm right, okay.
Because that thing, really cool, and he's a guest in Dragon's Den, Gary Neville, that sort of makes sense.
So I went on that lad, Stephen Bartley, director, CEO, the other week, which is the show on which Gary Neville said... Many holidays.
Many holidays, many retirements.
I follow many retirements.
Like I retire five o'clock on Friday, Monday, oh, my retirement's off.
Yeah, that's the weekend, that's what that is, mate.
There was a flag, wasn't there, at Glastonbury saying that I'm enjoying this mini-retirement, or this is my mini-retirement, stuff like that.
So, Gary Neville's going to be... Yeah, why not?
He's a very successful businessman, isn't he?
Because he's got that hotel where he never greeted me.
Yeah, that's right.
That hotel I stayed at, where in my mind... I think he's got mould, but he just hasn't got a little hotel.
He's got loads of stuff, real estate, all over Salford.
And Salford Football Club.
And now he's going to be a dragon.
I don't want to be a dragon!
What have you got?
Where's your franchise?
You're gonna have to get that football team up and going.
David, what's his chops on the phone?
George Memphis!
Right lads, we're starting the old team up!
As I've told you, free dinner tickets!
If you're a butt, I tell you what, I run a tight ship.
You'll find me a good leader, but if you mess with me, you are out!
No, I can't.
As soon as I see anyone do anything, I think I should do it, don't I?
Yeah.
You've got to get out of that habit, I think.
You don't want to be in dragons, do you?
You can't do everything, also.
Also, when it came to filming, you'd be like, I don't want to do this.
I'm not doing this, I hate it.
Oh, Russell, we've got to do a four o'clock pick-up for Dragons' Den.
I'm not fucking going.
Get in the car.
Oh, can you not wear that shirt?
I like that shirt.
It's my favourite shirt.
The problem is it's strobing.
Do you mind if we put this mic over the shirt?
No, I'm not doing it.
Can we just put a bit of make-up?
No, I only want Nicola doing my make-up.
Oh, do you mind spending a bit extra?
We've got to do these pick-ups.
No, do it.
Just do a reverse.
Cut me out of it.
Do a clean single.
I ain't fucking doing it.
Well, we're glad we booked you up!
Somebody get Gary on the phone!
Get Gary Neville!
I will do it.
I'm just going to enjoy this little mini retirement.
Russell, could you stop poking Duncan Bannatyne's ball bag with your pen?
No, I've got to.
I've got to poke it.
I want to see what's inside there.
It's part of his secrets, part of his essence.
Yeah, no, you're right.
Jordan Pearson once, in that interview with that lady out of New Statesman, Helen Lewis, she goes, you know, you wrote this thing saying lobsters have these traits and that's why human beings do it, but you don't write about whales and, like, female whales are very dominant in their pods.
He goes, I can't write a book about everything!
I like that as his defence, the fact that the book can't be about... It's because it's so true.
This book's about everything, I've covered that.
What, Wales have matriarchs?
Yeah, that's in there.
What, George Mendez oils himself up with Sandalwood before he does negotiations with the United Arab Emirates?
Yep, that's all in there, it's verifiable and true.
Funny, isn't it?
Yeah, good.
That's what we've got time for.
We've got time for all sorts of things.
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