The Stone Zone dissects Jeffrey Epstein’s 2006 Palm Beach case—where Police Chief Michael Ryder’s probe led to 33 charges later gutted by a compromised state attorney, leaving Epstein with a 15-month sentence in cushioned jail—and ties it to FBI informant claims and CIA pressure on U.S. Attorney Acosta. Guest Lee Smith slams John Brennan for manipulating intel, demands the House Intelligence Committee’s classified report, and links CIA surveillance of Oswald to institutional rot, while dismissing Elon Musk’s "America Party" as a distraction from economic crises. The episode frames Epstein’s legacy as a microcosm of systemic cover-ups, from Mueller’s politically driven indictments to Schiff’s collusion lies, leaving accountability trapped in partisan gridlock. [Automatically generated summary]
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Well, the third day of the controversy regarding Jeffrey Epstein, the convicted pedophile, continues.
I have to admit that not since the election of President Donald Trump have I seen this much discontent among the MAGA base and his supporters.
My phone is literally blowing up with phone calls and text messages from people who are deeply disappointed in what many of them view as a cover-up.
I wrote a book in 2015, The Clinton's War on Women.
The longest chapter in the book is chapter seven entitled Orgy Island, in which I laid out all of the criminal activities of Jeffrey Epstein.
I told the story from the beginning when the Palm Beach County, pardon me, the Palm Beach City police chief, Michael Ryder, got a call from some parents of a little girl who came home from school with $500 in her lunchbox.
And they said to the child, honey, where did you get that money?
And she said, oh, I got it from the man in the big house.
And they said, well, why did he give you $500?
And she said, because I touched his pee-pee.
They immediately called the police.
And Michael Ryder, the police chief, who was an honest man, launched an immediate six-month undercover investigation into the high-flying billionaire financier, Jeffrey Epstein.
At the end of that investigation, Chief Ryder gave the state's attorney in Palm Beach County evidence to indict Jeffrey Epstein on 33 counts of child sex trafficking and 33 accounts of statutory rape.
Then Ryder was shocked when the state's attorney turned around and charged Jeffrey Epstein with one count of solicitation.
That's like walking into a bar and soliciting a hooker.
It's a slap on the wrist.
Then the chief knew something wasn't right, knew that the state's attorney had either been threatened or bribed.
In the meantime, Jeffrey Epstein had hired an all-star team of criminal defense lawyers, including Alan Dershowitz, Leon Black, Gerald Lefcourt, and others.
They negotiated the slap on the wrist that Epstein received.
He ultimately got a 18-month sentence, of which he only served 15 months, and he was the only prisoner convicted of sex crimes in the history of the state of Florida to serve his sentence in the newly renovated and air-conditioned Palm Beach County Jail,
where he was only required to be in jail from, see if I can get this right, from 10 o'clock at night until 6 o'clock in the morning.
Otherwise, he was free to go about his business.
In fact, the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office provided an SUV and a security detail for him during the day.
It is extraordinary to me that we're now being told that there's no evidence that he engaged in child sex trafficking.
There's no evidence that he was blackmailing anyone.
There's no evidence that he was working for a government agency.
Why?
Because that's simply not true.
We have the document produced by Laura Loomer and others that shows that he reached an agreement to become an informant for the FBI and that they were willing to look the other way on his child sex activities if he would become an informant regarding corruption on Wall Street.
We have the comment of U.S. Attorney Albert, pardon Alexander Acosta, who reviewed the state charges in Florida after Chief Ryder complained that the state prosecutor had either been compromised or threatened.
And it was Acosta who, when he went for confirmation hearings in the U.S. Senate after being appointed the Secretary of Labor,
who said that he had been contacted by the CIA when he was reviewing the Epstein case and told that Epstein was a CIA asset and that he should just rubber stamp the state case and then seal it.
It's only because of a valiant three-year legal battle by the Palm Beach Post that the details of Epstein's Florida case are known to us.
Now, I caused a furor on X recently when I pointed out that for some reason, Steve Bannon, who holds him out to be a great supporter of President Trump and MAGA, visited Jeffrey Epstein at his New York apartment, visited Jeffrey Epstein at his opulent Paris apartment, both reported by the New York Post,
and that he filmed a 15 hours worth of film for a documentary with Jeffrey Epstein.
Why would anyone associate with someone who had been convicted of these crimes in Florida?
Meanwhile, Kash Patel, for whom I have the highest possible personal regard, and Attorney General Pam Bondi, suddenly now insist that there's no evidence that Epstein was engaged in the activities that he was charged with in July of 2019 in the Southern District of New York.
How can this issue be resolved?
I think the answer is really quite simple.
Attorney General Bondi needs to direct the interim U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York to move in federal court to unseal the grand jury testimony that got Epstein indicted on two charges.
The first charge was committing child sex trafficking.
The second charge, conspiracy to commit child sex trafficking.
By the way, the conspiracy charge requires other conspirators.
One cannot conduct a conspiracy all by themselves.
At the same time, they should also move to unseal the search warrants that were issued by the Southern District of New York for Epstein's island as well as his New York residence.
Why are these materials sealed?
Well, the prosecutor in the case, Maureen Comey, who just happens to be the daughter of former FBI Director James Comey, has sealed them or asked the federal court to seal them.
President Trump could clear the air very quickly by asking a federal judge in New York to release these sealed documents.
If a Democrat-appointed judge, a judge appointed by either Joe Biden or Barack Obama, refuses to unseal those documents, well, that would tell us just about everything.
In the meantime, I must tell you I find personal satisfaction in the fact that a new report by CIA Director John Radcliffe proves that the Russian collusion hoax in which I myself got jammed up when they tried to frame me simply because I had my 50-year friend of President
Donald Trump and because I refused to testify falsely against him.
You see, after Robert Mueller spent $30 million on an investigation, an investigation in which he had unlimited budget in unlimited federal jurisdiction, he could look into any crime he wanted to, very rare in the case of a special prosecutor, special counsel.
The special counsel law had actually expired, so Bill Barr gave him extraordinary powers to poke into anything he wanted to.
After they looked at all my financial records, my tax returns, and could find nothing.
After they looked at all my emails, all my text messages, all my phone calls, and they could find nothing, they ended up charging me on the convoluted claim that I had lied to Congress under oath regarding the Russian collusion that never actually happened.
How does one lie about something that never happened?
I made some misstatements in my testimony, but to violate the False Statements Act, your false statement has to be willful, and you have to be covering up some underlying federal crime.
My testimony is innocuous.
It did neither one.
No, the idea was to pressure me to testify falsely against President Donald Trump because they had come up empty-handed in their efforts to find any evidence of Russian collusion.
Well, I understand that they can indict a ham sandwich, but I refused to be the ham in Mr. Mueller's sandwich, and I refused to testify falsely.
In fact, I had taken not one, but two polygraph tests, lie detector tests, conducted by the same people who do the testing for the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the FBI, that proved that I had not engaged in Russian collusion, that proved that I had not received anything from WikiLeaks.
In fact, the only cursory contact I had with Wikileaks was when they told me to buzz off.
Yet, I lived through a nightmare which for two years, on a weekly basis, Robert Mueller's thugs leaked stories that my indictment for treason, for conspiracy against the United States, for being the kingpin of the Russian collusion was imminent.
They never called me before a grand jury.
I never had an opportunity to defend myself.
It was a nightmare, a nightmare in which I lost everything.
I lost my home, my savings, my insurance, my ability to make a living because once I was charged, a vengeful and hateful anti-Trump federal judge, who would later withhold exculpatory evidence from my defense attorneys, gagged me so that I could not speak or write, which are the two principal ways I make a living.
CIA Report Revelations00:15:05
Now, this new report by CIA Director John Radcliffe proves that the whole thing was a Faghazi, that John Brennan, the corrupt CIA director, pushed to include in the intelligence community assessment report to Barack Obama the so-called steel dossier.
And the steel dossier was a fraud.
It was a fabrication put together and paid for by Hillary Clinton and her campaign.
So now the FBI has announced that John Brennan and James Comey are under federal investigation.
And I believe the indictment of both of them is imminent.
All of this proves that there is a God in heaven, but vengeance is reserved for the Lord.
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Joining us shortly is Lee Smith.
He's the New York Times best-selling author of The Plot Against the President.
He is probably the single most knowledgeable journalist in the country when it comes to the illicit, illegal effort to take Donald Trump down in the Russian collusion hoax, which stands as the single greatest dirty trick in American political history.
It was an abuse of power That used the full authority of the United States government and the incredible capability of our intelligence agencies, utilizing what they knew were two pieces of fabricated evidence.
The Steele dossier, which we just spoke about, that was a report that falsely claimed that Donald Trump had dallied with prostitutes in Moscow and had watched them urinate on a bed that had once been inhabited by President Barack Obama and his wife.
It was a total fraud paid for by Hillary Clinton's campaign.
They disguised those payments as legal fees.
They got caught and they were later fined for it.
I think it was President Donald Trump who says Lee Smith is a great American patriot who has understood from the very beginning that the radical left is the true threat to democracy.
I'm anxious to ask Lee Smith about these recent developments because I actually believe that the new CIA report from John Radcliffe is in fact a very shallow dive into the misconduct of the FBI, the CIA, and the national security apparatus surrounding President Barack Obama.
And Lee Smith is the most knowledgeable person in the country on this question.
In the meantime, the other piece of good news is that the Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, a longtime critic of the deep state, has announced that she has set up a director's initiative group that will be reviewing all of this material.
And at the same time, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Rick Crawford, has been working for eight months on a report which still includes a great deal of classified material.
Crawford says that the report by CIA Director Radcliffe barely scratches the surface, that it's a shallow dive into what really happened.
Meanwhile, FBI Director Kash Patel announced yesterday that both John Brennan and James Comey, the FBI director, are now actively and formally under federal investigation.
Will we finally have accountability for the people who pulled the greatest dirty trick in American political history?
It's beginning to look to me like that will be the case.
And just for me and my family, who were virtually destroyed in this travesty, we are looking forward to justice.
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And we're back in the Stone Zone.
Joining me now is Lee Smith.
He is the author of the New York Times bestseller, The Plot Against the President, that was subsequently made into one of the most powerful documentaries I have ever seen.
He has a new book out, which is even more shocking, actually, called Disappearing the President.
It is a shocking tale of how a shadow network of powerful partisan activists have waged a years-long scorched-earth war to eradicate and destroy President Donald Trump, resorting to unprecedented campaign of domestic spying, election rigging, brute force censorship, and political violence, and sabotage countless other vital institutions in their relentless effort to destroy Donald Trump.
There is literally no person in the country more knowledgeable about the Russian collusion hoax than Lee Smith, and we are honored to have him with us today.
Lee, welcome back into the Stone Zone.
Roger, thank you so much for the really super kind introduction.
And like you, I'm excited to see movement on certain things, though.
I'm hopeful, but not certain we're going to get anything right now.
Yeah, I'm in the same position.
I think things are looking better.
I think the public focus on it is vitally important.
I'm sure that you had kind of the same reaction that I did when I saw this report by CIA Director Radcliffe that said that John Brennan, the disgraced CIA director, the admitted communist, he admitted that in a lie detector test.
The same John Brennan who got caught spying on a Senate committee that was investigating his illegal use of torture as CIA director, the same John Brennan who signed the visas for four of the hijackers who attacked America on 9-11.
The same John Brennan who FBI counterintelligence agent John Guandolo swears converted to radical Islam when he was the station chief in Riyadh, pushed to include the largely discredited Steele dossier in the president's intelligence community briefing.
You reported this long, long ago.
This was not news to you.
You had reported this.
We're well aware of it.
Now we have the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Rick Crawford, who's a very good man, saying that he thinks that Radcliffe's move was really designed to preempt the report that he's been working on for eight months that includes a great deal more declassified documents, a much, much deeper dive about the rot and the corruption in our intelligence agencies.
So, Lee Smith, what say you?
Well, I mean, what Chairman Crawford is referring to is he's referring to the House Intelligence Committee Russia report that those guys are working on since I mean, since Devin Nunes ran that committee in 2017 is when they started that report.
And that report is extensive, and that does talk about Brennan.
I mean, I haven't seen it.
I'm just saying what they've told me.
It's still classified, that report.
I'm relaying the parts of that report that they've told me about that can be talked about.
And, you know, we've seen it because we've seen that reported now that there are parts in the House Intelligence Committee document that talk about Brennan, that talk about the intelligence community assessment and Russia Gate.
I don't think that.
I think that Director John Radcliffe is a good guy.
I think he loves Donald Trump.
He supports Donald Trump.
So, he's not trying to, he's not trying to do anything underhanded.
But I agree with you, Roger.
I think that this report is, as other people have said, it's a whitewash.
I mean, it's insane.
We've known most of this stuff for a long time, and it doesn't really get to the, it doesn't really advance anything new.
And there are different parts which absolutely cover up for the bad things that Brennan and that group did.
I mean, there are just some astonishing things.
I really have to hope that your great audience, your listeners, are welcome to look it up and check it and check it out.
But, you know, we all have more important things to do with our lives.
So I'll just say the sort of ridiculous things it's saying, stuff like, oh, yeah, it's still a robust document using proper sourcing.
I'm like, this is just insane the way that these bureaucrats talk about each other.
But, you know, I mean, we all know that that's the kind of work they were going to get.
If you tell the people at Langley here, write a report on what people at Langley did.
That's absolutely the product they're going to turn around.
So, again, I don't think that Director John Radcliffe is a bad guy.
I think he's a good guy, probably a great guy.
As Donald Trump's director of national intelligence at the end of Donald Trump's first term, Radcliffe declassified a whole bunch of really important documents.
So he's a good guy, and we know a lot about Russia Gate thanks to the efforts of John Radcliffe during Trump's first term.
So I don't think he's trying to obfuscate anything here.
But yeah, we want that report that Devin Nunes started.
The report that Chairman Rick Crawford is talking about.
So those things are all really important for our understanding.
I'll just say that the craziest thing, the craziest thing about that document, and the craziest thing about the reporting afterwards is, well, yeah, of course, Brennan and Comey wanted the dossier put into that intelligence community assessment report because that's all they had.
There was never any evidence that Donald Trump was colluding, conspiring, contacting Russia.
Never.
All they had was the dossier.
It had to go in the ICA.
And that's why Devin Nunes, Devin Nunes, in my first book on Russia Gate, the plot against the president, that's why Devin Nunes called that intelligence community assessment Obama's dossier.
And that's the title of one of my chapters in that book, Obama's dossier.
So we've known this for a long time, that they had to put that in there.
They had to put all that steel reporting in there because that's all they ever had.
This whole fake story paid for by the Clinton campaign.
I completely agree with your assessment of John Radcliffe.
I think he's a good man, and I think this has been an important contribution to getting public focus back on the epic corruption of what I've continued to call the greatest political dirty trick in American history and certainly the greatest single abuse of power.
I'm sorry, but Watergate pales in comparison to this.
Watergate was an operation.
A bunch of misguided private citizens broke into the Watergate.
I have my own theories about what they were looking for.
You can read it in the two books I've written about it.
I'm going to get sidetracked on it.
But we also saw another example this week of the corruption, I guess I have to call it, in the games played by the CIA.
For six decades, the Central Intelligence Agency insisted that they had no knowledge of Lee Harvey Oswald.
They weren't tracking him.
He wasn't on their radar.
That turns out to be an egregious lie.
That they had him under surveillance.
They were monitoring all of his communications.
And those reports were not being handled by low-level bureaucrats.
They were going to the CIA director John McCone and to the then deputy director Richard Helms.
So they were not only, in essence, monitoring Oswald, they were actually handling Oswald.
And they set up the famous altercation on the street in New Orleans in which Oswald was handing out pro-Castro leaflets in an effort to establish the narrative that he was a communist.
By the way, none of this, in my opinion, means that Lee Harvey Oswald shot and killed John F. Kennedy because he didn't.
It's a story for another day.
But it does demonstrate the fact that even now, with the president ordering the National Archives and all branches of government to release all data regarding the murder of John F. Kennedy, that the government held the so-called George Joannites documents back.
Joe Annites was the FBI official, probably the CIA official in charge of overseeing the monitoring of Lee Harvey Oswald.
Limitations and Liars00:08:47
And he's also the CIA operative who was in charge to stonewall the 1978 House Select Committee on Assassinations re-examination of the Kennedy assassination, what the CIA flatly refused to cooperate in.
They turned over no documents, they provided no witnesses, and they answered no questions.
It just speaks to the epic corruption of the CIA.
There is no greater patriot than Devin Nunes, who I think did an amazing job as the chairman of the committee.
Just having to put up with Adam Schiff every day, you should get a medal for that.
I mean, this guy is the most incredible congenitor liar in the history of American politics.
I'm sure you recall when he said that he had seen more than circumstantial evidence of Russian collusion.
Well, Congressman, produce it.
Where is it?
You never produced anything.
The fact that he continues to get away with these lies, he actually got a promotion to the U.S. Senate is it's hard to stomach, to be quite honest with you.
I was happy to see Kash Patel announce that there's now an open investigation into Comey and Brennan because there's no question they need to be held accountable.
There are some statue of limitations questions.
What's interesting here is that both Brennan and Comey not only used the steel dossier, wedging it into the intelligence community assessment that was presented to Obama, but as you pointed out, Obama knew it was coming and he used it essentially as the rationale to authorize Crossfire Hurricane, the CIA,
FBI effort to surveil and bring down Donald Trump, also later used as the rationale for the appointment of Robert Mueller as the special counsel.
This, by the way, is why I think they came back and pressured me.
As I say, after spending $30 million and conducting an exhaustive investigation, they couldn't find the Russian collusion because it didn't exist.
Therefore, they decided that perhaps they could flip me and get me to testify falsely against the president, which I refused to do.
There was no Russian collusion.
There was no WikiLeaks collaboration.
I passed not one, but two different polygraph tests on that very subject.
So I'm really very hopeful that they will be held to account here and that there will be indictments.
The problem here is one of statute limitations, or maybe not.
I would make an argument that both Brennan and Comey engaged in treason, and there is no statue of limitations on treason.
But while Brennan and Comey both lied before Congress about pushing to include the so-called steel dossier in the Intelligence Committee's assessment, later on, as late as 2020, in Brennan's interview with Special Counsel John Durham, he yet again lied about that.
There may be some legal vulnerability there.
For reasons I don't understand, then Attorney General Bill Barr cleared Brennan of wrongdoing, claiming falsely that the CIA had stayed in its lane.
I think there is also the possibility that Comey lied at a later date before Congress as well.
I still have the same concern, which you and I have discussed, which is that any indictment brought in the District of Columbia is going to get a hostile partisan judge, going to get an all-Democrat jury, and a call to have the coverage by the fake news media, which will seek to discredit any accounting by these people.
I saw John Brennan yesterday on MSNBC.
This guy's arrogance just continues to blow my mind.
I mean, he's there yet repeating the same lie.
He basically said yesterday, oh no, I didn't do anything wrong.
I didn't push to include the steel dossier when we know the exact opposite is true.
Well, that's going to be the problem.
I mean, you know, I mean, we're all reading the same reports about the, and I don't know.
It's just not clear to me yet if the FBI has announced an investigation because they're not really supposed to do that.
My sense is that what's been announced is that John Radcliffe made a criminal referral, which went over to DOJ.
So I think that's what we know for sure.
I've seen reports that there's an FBI investigation now, but that might be racing a little bit ahead.
But definitely, Radcliffe made a referral for an investigation over at DOJ, FBI.
Yes, if it is a perjury charge, that's going to be a big problem because as I've been explaining in these different books, I mean, look, no one called it the steele dossier until January 2017 when they were passing this thing around before they were not calling it the steel dossier.
So just the idea, you know, I mean, Brennan has been weaseling out of this one for half a decade now.
For instance, Roger, there's an article.
I mean, I know all the press reports inside out.
I have all the dates.
It's June 23rd, 2017, Washington Post.
What the story is about, it's about how John Brennan put the steel dossier on Barack Obama's desk, that they sent it over.
I mean, did it really happen?
I don't know.
But John Brennan is the source for the story.
It was published in the Washington Post, but it's never referred to as the Steele dossier in there.
So the idea that Brennan, you know, that Brennan somehow is going to get in trouble because he said he didn't put the steel dossier in there, it doesn't make sense to me.
They never called it that, right?
The way that they thought of it in an entirely different way, and they were very careful.
John Brennan, and I try to remind people of this, John Brennan is not a good guy.
He's a bad guy, but he's not a dumb guy.
And this is something that, you know, Congressman Nunes and Chairman Nunes, you know, repeated again and again.
He said, look, you know, Brennan is a very slippery guy.
These guys are not dummies.
They get to the head of these agencies and these institutions by being more clever as bureaucrats, right?
Not by being more patriotic or not by necessarily being the best at their jobs, but by being more skillful bureaucrats who know how to use paperwork.
So the idea that they're going to catch Brennan on this, on a perjury charge, I don't see it.
I think there probably are different things.
And you mentioned before, when Durham went to Langley to interview Brennan in August 2020, I think that there are different things that may have happened while Brennan was preparing for that interview, perhaps even in the aftermath.
I'm hoping that DOJ and the FBI looks at that period.
But I think the 2017 period, again, I can't speak to the statute of limitations, what it is exactly for every charge and how it might be extended.
It just seems to me that there are different places that if they're looking to hold John Brennan accountable for what he did, it seems to me that maybe the preparation for that intelligence community assessment is not going to provide a lot of leads.
But that August 2020 meeting or interview with John Durham may be fruitful.
All right, we have to wrap it there.
I want to thank our guest, Lee Smith, the great Lee Smith.
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Elon Musk has announced his intention to start a third party, calls it the America Party.
Said yesterday he's going to pitch the party around the administration's lack of full disclosure regarding Jeffrey Epstein.
In all honesty, I don't believe that that is an issue.
Well, I'm most interested and I'm concerned about it.
And yes, I do want to know everything about Epstein and what he did.
That's not an issue that will motivate voters.
Voters care about the cost of a gallon of gasoline, the cost of their groceries, whether they can safely walk in their neighborhood without being attacked by a dangerous, illegal immigrant.
I also think that Elon Musk is going to find that getting a third party on the ballot is much, much more difficult than he thinks.
Sure, he has plenty of money for the petition process, but collecting signatures for a concept rather than for a candidate, as you would do in a presidential year, will be much, much tougher than he thinks.
He may not remember this, but Donald Trump thoroughly explored running as a third party candidate in 2000 when his fellow billionaire Ross Perot urged him to run as the Reform Party candidate.
He took a hard and serious look at it, and then he ultimately concluded that one could only be elected president of the United States as either a Republican or a Democrat.
I'm Roger Stone.
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