The Stone Zone dissects Iran-linked hackers threatening to leak 100GB of Trump’s inner-circle emails, while Roger Stone dismisses claims and praises the Big Beautiful Bill—a $4K senior tax break passed 51-50. He blames Democrats for mishandling Social Security funds since 1972, then pivots to Zoran Mamdani, the NYC mayoral nominee, whose $1.7M campaign fund came from a single bundler and pushes Marxist policies like seizing wealth and defunding police. Stone and Sam Antar expose Mamdani’s anti-Semitic rhetoric, Hamas ties, and opposition to ICE enforcement, warning his victory could cement radical socialism in NYC. The episode also highlights the Big Beautiful Bill’s AI regulation rollback after backlash from Greene and Blackburn, framing it as a win against government overreach, before accusing Letitia James of mortgage fraud. [Automatically generated summary]
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An Iranian-linked hacker group is claiming to be in possession of a trove of stolen emails from President Donald Trump's inner circle, now threatening to publish the material in what U.S. officials describe as a politically motivated smear campaign.
The group, operating under the alias Robert, says it has over 100 gigabytes of emails from key Trump allies, including White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles, longtime confidant Roger Stone, that would be me, Trump attorney Lindsey Halligan, and, well, even the adult film actress Stormy Daniels.
It was Reuters who broke the story today after direct communications with hackers, who I guess initially hinted at potentially selling the material, although the group offered no specifics.
This threat comes just days after Trump abruptly reversed a tentative effort to ease sanctions on Iran following Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khomeini's downplaying of U.S. and Israeli airstrikes on Iranians' nuclear facilities.
Top Iranian cleric has issued a fatwa against Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, calling the pair enemies of God.
This so-called cyber attack is nothing more than digital propaganda, said cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency spokesperson Marcy McCarthy.
Now, this is a replay.
Some may remember that just before the 2024 elections, it was widely reported that my email was among many of Trump's inner circle that had been hacked.
I was formally informed of this by both the FBI and my internet service provider.
I could find no evidence of this alleged hack at the time, and my own IT people once again find no evidence of this alleged hack.
They would be pretty bored if they did hack my email because I have not emailed anything since the election that would be remotely controversial or interesting.
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I operate on this assumption that, well, that Big Brother is reading everything.
The Big Beautiful bill moved closer to reality with passage by one vote in the Senate.
There's a lot of disinformation about the Big Beautiful bill.
Some say that it cuts Social Security.
That is a lie.
The bill actually introduces a $4,000 above-the-line deduction for individuals aged 65 and older, applicable for tax years from 2005 to 2028.
This actually reduces taxable income for Social Security recipients, lowering or eliminating federal income taxes on the benefits for many.
Combined with other deductions, this ensures that the average Social Security beneficiary with income under $75,000 or $150,000 for couples will pay zero taxes on their Social Security benefits.
So in other words, approximately 88% of seniors are going to benefit from the tax relief that is involved in the big beautiful bill.
The Democrats have a tendency every two or four years to smear Republicans, always claiming that we want to cut or do away with Social Security.
But which party moved Social Security funds from a private trust to public funds so that Congress could spend it?
That would be the Democrats.
Which party stopped tax deductions for Social Security payments?
That would be the Democrats.
Which party started the taxing of Social Security benefits?
Why, once again, that would be the Democrats.
Which party started giving our Social Security money to illegal immigrants who had not paid into the Social Security Trust Fund?
Why, that would be the Democrat.
Which party has not had a Social Security increase in eight years?
That would be the Democrats.
Joe Biden tried to take credit for the fact that Social Security payments were adjusted based on the cost of living.
Actually, the president responsible for that is one Richard M. Nixon.
In 1972, Nixon signed a bill that introduced automatic cost of living adjustments for Social Security benefits starting in 1975.
Those adjustments tie benefit increases to inflation as measured by the Consumer Price Index.
So it is Richard Nixon who played the key role in making sure your Social Security payments are adjusted for inflation and for the cost of living.
It must be difficult to be a Democrat these days.
President Donald Trump is on what gamblers and stand-up comedians call a role under Donald Trump.
U.S. AID is being defunded.
The Dow is skyrocketing.
Rogue judges' power has just been limited by the U.S. Supreme Court.
Iran's nuclear capability has been stifled.
Zoran Mamdami, an out-and-out socialist, if not a communist, is the acknowledged new leader of the Democrat Party.
The Republican National Committee has five times more cash on hand than the DNC.
In fact, the DNC has announced that they're broke and they may have to borrow money to stay afloat.
Criminal illegal aliens are being deported.
President Donald Trump is brokering peace deals like the one he did between Congo and Rwanda or the one he did between India and Pakistan or the one that he's attempting to do between Russia and Ukraine, not to mention Israel and Iran.
States will now begin defunding Planned Parenthood.
128 Democrats actually voted against impeaching President Donald Trump, but white males like David Hogg are being kicked out of leadership positions.
The Democrats have nothing to celebrate while Donald Trump is fulfilling the mandate of the last election.
Meanwhile, a huge focus on Zoran Mamdami, the radical Muslim socialist who is now the Democrat nominee and presumptive favorite to be the next mayor of New York City.
Interestingly, he's being criticized by former House Speaker Hakeem Jeffries over Mamdami's unabashed anti-Visville viewpoint.
Jeffries expressed concerns about Mandami's use of the pro-Hamas talking point, globalize the intifada.
That catchphrase has been frequently linked to anti-Semitism, extremism, and violence by many Jewish organizations.
Jeffries said that Mohamdami's use of the controversial firm was, quote, not acceptable phrasing, and that Mamdami would have to, quote, clarify his position on that as he moves forward.
During an interview with ABC News, Hakeem Jeffries said the following.
With respect to the Jewish communities that I represent, I think our nominee is going to have to convince folks that he's prepared to aggressively address the rise of anti-Semitism in New York City, which has been unacceptable.
It is clear through his calculated sentiments that actually I don't believe Jeffries has any real problems with Mamdani's extremist sentiments.
Jeffries may look at the positions of his father, who is a notorious anti-Semite.
He just wants to clean them up so that they can win the election and dupe voters.
Jeffries wants to play lip service to Jewish voters so he can keep them in his back pocket while doing nothing to stop a man, Mamdani, who's against their interests.
This is how the Democrats have treated the Jews and other ethnic groups through the decades as voting blocks that can be used and manipulated and then abused after they show up periodically to vote blue.
It's also very telling to me how few Democrats are willing to criticize Miam Dami.
That shows how terrified those few mainstream Democrats that are left are to alienate their far-left base.
The far-left socialists have the momentum, and after Kamala Harris's defeat to President Donald Trump, they believe it is their time to rise to the leadership of the Democrat Party.
Because they are more energized and oftentimes better organized, that is now possible.
Mom Dami's nomination in the recent New York primary is a case in point of this phenomenon.
The people of New York City will suffer if Mohamdami wins the mayorship, which is a reasonable possibility at this point.
It seems to me to be a perfect storm emerging for Momdami's ascendancy, as I still predict a crowded field that will include former Mayor Eric Adams running as an independent, quite possibly former Governor Andrew Como running as a Democrat, and of course Curtis Sliwa, the certified Republican nominee.
With those three candidates splitting the sane vote, it allows Mamdani to play the role of outsider, which frankly he did very effectively during the primary.
Once again, Mohamdami implements his disastrous ideas, which include banning immigrant enforcement in New York City, hiking taxes on wealthier and whiter neighborhoods, as he put it, instituting rent controls, making it unequitable and impossible for landlords to improve properties or maintain properties, and of course there will be no new investment in housing, subsidizing housing and health care,
creating a hate crime task force to police free speech, defunding the police, essentially opening Rikers Island and releasing everybody who's currently incarcerated for serious crimes, as well as essentially nationalizing grocery stores.
It will kind of rip the veil off of socialism's true character and cause a boomerang effect that I think could actually help Republicans nationally.
Unfortunately, millions of New Yorkers may have to suffer for this to occur.
In the meantime, CNN is actually promoting an app that helps illegals evade ICE.
Yes, you heard me right.
Now, I don't get my news from CNN for the same reason I don't drink out of the toilet, but the communist news network is at it again, this time doing free public relations work for a subversive app that actually helps illegal aliens evade immigration enforcement.
CNN is promoting a crowdsourcing efforts of something called IceBlock, which offers an interactive map to users who can flag ICE sightings in real time.
IceBlock hopes to be an early warning system for illegals so they can disperse when deportations are happening in any given area.
IceBlock founder Joshua Aaron is claiming, perhaps due to potential legal ramifications, that his app is not designed to obstruct law enforcement, but merely meant as an educational tool to inform people about the rise of authoritarianism and fascism.
Remember, folks, the left always accuses you of what they themselves are doing.
The people who want to keep candidates off the ballot, the candidates who, the group that wants to censor free speech, the group who would arrest people for their religious beliefs, they are the true fascists.
Regardless of how IceBlock's founder is trying to frame his app, it is clear that it is meant to undermine President Trump's goals of mass deportation.
CNN is aiding and abetting this process through its attempts to publicize IceBlock.
But of course, two can play that game.
IceBlock is being offered in mainstream app stores on Apple, but MAGA patriots should make their voices known to Apple that their platforming of IceBlock is unacceptable.
Tech corporations that are regulated by the government should not have an app on their platforms that enables crimes.
Apple should not be let off the hook when it comes to accountability.
So email Apple right now and tell them that offering IceBlock a way to evade the law is unacceptable.
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He's the guy who detected and reported a 22-year serial mortgage fraud by New York Attorney General Letitia James.
Those charges have been referred to the Justice Department for prosecution.
He's gotten to the bottom of Zorayan Mamdami's grassroots campaign.
And folks, it's just like when Kamala Harris, we're told that she was surging in contributions and votes.
It was a psyop, and this is a psyop, too.
We'll be with Sam here shortly.
In the meantime, the Big Beautiful bill passed the U.S. Senate by narrow 51 to 50 margin, with Vice President JD Vance only casting the tiebreaking vote.
Since its passage in the House, there's been much discussion about its contents, with certain provisions being altered and removed.
We spoke about this yesterday.
One major victory for the American people in the grassroots against Big Brother is the removal of the Big Beautiful Bill's controversial AI provisions.
That's artificial intelligence.
The original version of the bill contained language that essentially issued a 10-year ban on any state government from enacting any regulation of the developments or use of artificial intelligence.
That was not first approved by the federal government.
This 10-year ban on AI regulations was seemingly slipped into the Big Beautiful bill without many people realizing it.
Was Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a good friend of mine, who sounded the alarm because saying she voted in favor of the first version of the bill without realizing this provision was in the legislation.
As someone who has regularly been targeted by artificial intelligence, there are dozens of videos online of me allegedly saying things that I never actually said.
It is seamless and therefore dangerous.
This is a giant victory for the people.
Senator Marcia Blackburn gave an impassioned speech on the Senate floor arguing for her amendment to strip AI provisions from the Big Beautiful Bill.
In her speech, she lit into her colleagues for doing so little to protect the American public from the excesses of artificial intelligence while the states get into the action to help the vulnerable.
Blackburn actually said the body has proven they cannot legislate on emerging technology.
It's frustrating.
We have not passed online privacy.
We have not passed the No Fakes Act.
There are all of these pieces of legislation that have not been passed or even considered.
But you know who passed it?
It's been done in our states.
The states are the ones protecting our children, for example, in virtual space.
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Anyway, you're in the stone zone.
I'm Roger Stone.
And when we return, Sam Antar, Sam's an interesting guy who was a certified public accountant.
He also was a perp in one of the decades' largest security fraud schemes for which he was justly convicted and sent to prison.
When he got out, however, he redirected his expertise towards forensic accounting, leveraging his first-hand knowledge of fiscal and financial fraud to help combat white-collar crime.
He's the one who caught Letitia James in her 22-year crime spree when it comes to mortgage fraud.
And he has some shocking information regarding the astroturf nature of Democrat nominee Zoran Mamdami's miraculously win last week.
We'll be right back.
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Welcome back.
We're in the Stone Zone.
And joining me now is Sam Antar.
Sam Antar is a forensic genius.
He is a former certified public accountant who, as I said earlier, had his brush with the law and made an incredible comeback helping government agencies, law enforcement organizations, law firms, and accounting firms, independent investment research firms, hedge funds, and other pump companies investigate white-collar fraud and crime.
Sam Antar should not be confused with Sam the Shaman the Pharaohs, one of my favorite rock groups.
Sam is the editor and publisher of whitecollarfraud.com.
It was Sam Antar who first uncovered the 22-year crime spree by New York Attorney General Letitia James, who is quite definitely engaged in serial mortgage fraud.
Those claims got referred to the U.S. Justice Department for prosecution.
That was the handiwork of one Sam Antar.
The man is brilliant, and he has recently investigated the incredible rise of Zoran Mandami.
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Now, Mandami's built his entire political brand on being quote-unquote people-powered and claims the whole thing is grassroots-fueled.
Pardon me, but I've seen this movie before in the Kamala Harris campaign.
That's when they juiced her poll numbers by using an inflated number of Democrats in the poll samples.
And they used Act Blue to launder millions of dollars worth of small and medium-sized contributions into her campaign to try to create the impression that there was a surge in public support for her.
Now, Sam Antar has taken his skills to examine the Mandami campaign.
Sam, tell us what you found.
Okay, there are various parts of the campaign.
The first part is he raised $1.7 million, supposedly organically.
That's people that saw him on Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, went to his website, filled out a form, and the money was accounted for.
That's what supposedly was happening.
But the reality is, out of that $1.7 million that he raised, entirely, all of it, every single penny of it, was raised from bundlers.
People, professionals that bundle money for candidates, and then they turn it over to the candidates.
So this was not a grassroots campaign.
There was a 27,641-row spreadsheet that I went through.
I ran it through AI, three AIs, okay?
Every single contribution was handled through bundlers.
In other words, despite having over 4.5 million social media followers spread across many platforms, nobody went to his campaign site, pressed the button, and organically donated money from him.
It all came from bundlers.
And that $1.7 million enabled him to get $7 million in matching funds.
So now we're at $8.7 million.
On top of that, two far-less super PACs spent $1.9 million promoting him and opposing Cuomo.
So actually, the money that he got from Super PACs was higher than the money that he got from the bundlers.
This is not a grassroots campaign.
This is like, if I may describe it, this is like a high-rated television show that has commercials, but nobody buys their products because all of that, all that social media, all that social media infrastructure, all the media slobbering over him, right?
Nobody goes to his website, pushes a button, and donates money to the website.
It was all done by bundlers.
This guy is a lab rat, okay?
He was genetically engineered for media.
He's a fraud, he's a fake, and he's a failure.
It's not a grassroots campaign.
Period.
End of story.
Sam, I'm a little confused.
I saw him say that he was running against dark money, that he was opposing the special interests and the super facts.
Yet you're telling me that with millions of views on social media, Instagram, Facebook, across the board, X, I presume, not a single person clicked on the donate button and sent him $25, not a single person.
Or five bucks, or two bucks, or eight bucks.
It's all in the public record.
All I did was I went to the New York City Campaign Finance Board website.
I downloaded the website of all of his contributors, 27,000, whatever, bros.
You can imagine trying to go through it with your eyes.
You start seeing triple.
And anyway, I downloaded the whole thing, went through it.
Out of the 27,641, 77 lines were not attributed to bunglers.
Those 77 lines had a net zero, because there was refunds, et cetera, had net zero coming from ordinary folk.
This guy's platform is really quite extraordinary.
He's declared that billionaires should not be allowed to exist.
He's proposed substantial new taxes, including a 2% levy on millionaires.
He's actually gone so far as to say that the wealthy and white people are not paying enough in taxes.
That is both racist and unconstitutional.
His supporters keep saying, no, that's not what he meant.
No, he said it.
It's exactly what he meant.
He keeps talking about seizing the means of production.
That is a Marxist sentiment without any ambiguity.
He's talking about city-run grocery stores.
He's advocating for opening municipal grocery stores in each borough that presumably would compete with private grocers, although private grocers like John Catsumatidis right here on this station have said that they will either sell or close down their grocery stores under these circumstances.
He wants to freeze rents.
That would be freezing rents on 1 million stabilized apartments.
He also wants, which of course would make it unefficient, impossible for landlords to either maintain their properties or to build new properties.
He wants a $30 minimum wage as part of his zuronomics agenda, which would send the New York City housing market into chaos.
He wants free buses and universal child care.
He supports permanently providing free bus service and universal child care, but that's to be funded entirely by the redistribution of wealth that he talks about.
Most dangerously, he wants to defund the police.
He would abolish cash bail entirely, and he would stop prison expansion.
He also talks about violence as some kind of abstract construct, implying that he would actually open Rikers Island and let everybody out.
He wants to implement taxes, like I say, to punish white people.
And in his words, shift the tax burden from overtaxed homeowners in the outer boroughs to more expensive homes in richer and whiter neighborhoods.
His words, not mine.
As a co-founder of the Bedoin Students for Justice in Palestine and a longtime supporter of the anti-Semitic BDS movement, Mamdami has called Israel an apartheid state, has referred to its action in Gaza as genocide, and he supports the phrase, globalize the intifada.
He actually says that he would arrest the Israeli prime minister Betan Netanyahu if he visited New York City, as he's expected to do for an upcoming UN gathering.
He also targeted nonprofit reform.
He backs legislation empowering the state to penalize or dissolve any New York City nonprofit that supports Israel.
On top of that, he's child welfare reforms limiting drug tests and reporting.
He co-sponsored proposals making it harder to test newborns or pregnant women for drugs.
Andrew reports suspected child abuse because of his twisted social justice philosophies.
If this guy isn't a communist, well, then he's cheating the party out of his dues.
What do you say, Sam?
Well, first of all, I say he's an anarchist first.
He's a fascist, not just a communist.
Communism is only a way for people to retain power.
Does he believe in all of this BS?
I don't know.
But all I can tell you is he's dangerous for America.
He's dangerous for New York City.
And he's dangerous for the Jewish population in this country.
He has no business.
You know what the problem is?
The Democrats platformed him and gave him implied credibility by allowing him into the party, even though he's a member of the Working Families Party.
So what's happened now over the years is that the Democratic Party, my party, I'm a Democrat, okay?
My party has now been infiltrated by these whack jobs, these far-left whack jobs, okay?
They had no business being in the party in the first place.
They've hijacked the Democratic Party, and I blame the leadership.
I blame the Charles Schumers of the world, the Hakeem Jeffrey's.
I blame them all.
I think you're absolutely right.
People don't realize this, but Bernie Sanders, the socialist, was not a Democrat until the year that he decided to challenge Hillary Clinton.
He and his wife skimmed millions of dollars from his two presidential campaigns in quote-unquote media placement fees, which is not illegal, but never disclosed to his donors.
Certainly sounds like free enterprise and capitalism to me.
Comrade Bernie got quite rich doing it.
He became a millionaire.
Maybe that's why he now only criticizes billionaires.
He rarely criticizes billionaires and millionaires.
And he's still out there pushing the same old socialist baloney.
He attacked the Republican Party last week, saying we were a cult.
Dude, they cheated you twice out of the Democrat Party nomination.
And instead of bolting, you endorsed Hillary Clinton and then Joe Biden and you signed up with the war machine.
So don't lecture us about our party, my party.
This guy is a blowhard, but he's very happy with the rise of Miam Dami and, of course, the poll position of AOC.
There is no such thing as a moderate Democrat.
They look at Chuck Schumer, of whom I'm not particularly a fan, and they think he's a dangerous right-winger compared to them, when in fact he's just a corporate Democrat.
It is shocking that the party of Harry Truman, who essentially is the president who founded Israel, supported the founding of Israel, will not stand up against anti-Semitism.
Miam Dami will not denounce the squad, that little coterie of virulent anti-semi, anti-Israel, pro-Hamas, pro-Hizboha Democrats in the House, of which AOC is a prominent member.
I think that the term moderate Democrat is an oxymoron at this point.
They don't seem to exist.
Meanwhile, as I said earlier, President Donald Trump's on an incredible role in terms of fulfilling his agenda.
Anyway, folks, you're in the stone zone.
We're here with Sam Antar.
When we come back, I want to ask Sam about some of his really groundbreaking reporting regarding New York Attorney General Letitia James, who says that no one is above the law except perhaps her.
Sam Antar is the man who uncovered 22 years, I believe it is, of serial mortgage fraud, actually transgressions for which other people have actually gone to prison.
And those charges have made their way to the Department of Justice when the head of the Federal Housing and Finance Administration reviewed them and sent them over to Attorney General Pambondi for prosecution.
There's some who argue that even though she lied numerous times on sworn statements, that there is no crime.
We're going to give Sam Antar a chance to refute that when we come back in the stone zone.
In the meantime, please go over to Sam's website, whitecollarfraud.com, for some of the best investigative journalism out there today.
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We're with criminal fraud investigator Sam Antar.
Sam has analyzed the campaign fundraising of Zoran Mamdami's campaign.
He calls it the Mamdani deception because of the $1.7 million that he raised that was then matched by New York taxpayers to give him a war chest of $7 million plus.
Not a single dollar of that, according to Sam Antar, came from any small donor who utilized the donate button on the campaign website.
In fact, most of that money came from wealthy bundlers.
Sam, you had another statistic here.
Yes.
100% of the money that he raised was not organically.
It was raised through bundles.
But here's where it gets interesting.
94% of it came from a single bundler.
And that bundler raised $1.6 approximately of the $1.7 million.
Now, when you go through the campaign disclosures of all candidates, this one bundler raised 10 times more money than bundler number two on the list for other candidates.
In other words, second place was about $150,000 or $60,000.
This guy was at $1.6 million.
So you have a very centralized campaign.
You don't have a grassroots where people are going and saying, wow, he's a great candidate, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And they're donating to him directly.
All of the money has been through bundlers.
Specifically, 94% of it has been through one single bundler.
Okay.
Other campaigns use bundlers?
Yes, but not to the extent this.
You'll see 30%, 20%, 5%, 2%.
We get that.
But this is 100% to bundlers, 94%, one individual.
So basically, this guy, of course, has tried to position himself in a populist as a guy challenging a corrupted system.
And in many ways, strangely enough, to get into the specifics of his agenda, sounds like Donald Trump.
An outsider challenging a corrupted crony-ridden system.
It turns out that most of his campaign money actually came from New York taxpayers who had to subsidize his campaign through the campaign matching system.
And frankly, I still believe that there is no way Republican nominee Curtis Sliwa will withdraw his candidacy and endorse another candidate.
I think he's in it to win it.
Eric Adams seems every bit as determined to run as an independent.
It's unclear whether former Governor Andrew Cuomo, who still maintains a hold on a substantial block of voters, will stay in the race as an independent, although he did qualify to run as an independent.
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And therefore, there's a reasonable probability that if the, let's call it the pool of sane voters, non-communist, non-socialist voters is split between three candidates of different ideologies, that this fraud could actually become mayor.
It's a chilling prospect, but I think it is a very real and genuine possibility.
I want to go back to Attorney General Letitia James.
She has emerged as Mamdami's number one cheerleader.
But Sam, you undercovered a 20-plus-year serial mortgage fraud.
And her response has been that although she wasn't truthful on sworn documents, that there's no crime here.
You have a minute and 30 seconds to explain why that's wrong.
That's absolutely wrong.
First of all, if you make a false statement on the mortgage, even if the bank doesn't rely upon it, even if the bank doesn't suffer damages, it's a federal crime under I think it's statute 1014, 1041, whatever the hell it is.
It doesn't matter.
She committed a federal crime.
Now, she bought the property in Brooklyn in 2001, and immediately, instead of listing it five families or more, because it was a five-family unit house, okay?
She listed one unit, two units, three units that saved a lot of money on the mortgages and also meant less down payments than normal people would have had.
Because five or more tenants is considered a commercial building.
And this is based upon the C of O, which is a publicly filed document.
And it says five units.
She says it's for, it's kind of like, okay, I'll buy an entire apartment building and take it from.
You can't just do that, okay?
You have to change the C of O. That's the governing document.
That is the law of the land in New York City.
She also has properties in Virginia.
It's kind of like the same MO: false filings on mortgages, false declarations on mortgages, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
She's a serial fraudster.
There's not a one-off where a person checked the wrong box or anything like that.
No.
This is a pattern of behavior.
Every single mortgage.
All right.
I'm afraid we have to leave it there.
I want to thank our guest, Sam Antar, and thank all of you for joining us in the Stone Zone today.
Until tomorrow, God bless you and Godspeed.
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